10 Beings More Powerful Than Sauron in Middle earth

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  • @OdiVonDobi22
    @OdiVonDobi22 Місяць тому +21

    What about farmer Maggot didn't he tell the Nazgul to, "sod off?"🤣

  • @steveking9081
    @steveking9081 2 місяці тому +21

    In Tolkien's universe, wisdom and knowledge, as well as loyalty and compassion, were often considered more powerful than deception, cruelty and even sheer strength. Gandalf had wisdom of the greatest magnitude, and even actual foresight of things to come. His virtue and loyalty earned him help when he needed it from all corners of the world (Rohan, Lothlorian, Rivendell, as well as Radagast, Beorn, Treebeard, and the great eagles). He was friends with, and a mentor to, future kings (Thorin and Aragorn). He fought off all 9 Nazgul for a night, and killed Durin's Bane. He set into motion, or had a direct hand, in every major event in the War of the Rings, and at the end he watched Sauron's empire crumble first hand. I know Gandalf COULD defeat Sauron because he DID defeat Sauron.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@steveking9081 Sauron was more powerful than him on an individual level.

    • @AltruistickAsk
      @AltruistickAsk 2 місяці тому +2

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702 You obviously missed his point. Sauron was defeated by Huan, Luthien, Gil Galad & Elendil. He has surrendered to Eonwe and Ar Pharazon. He also lost a small battle to the white council. His grand weapon was destroyed by a halfling. If you were to ask if any of these beings are more powerful than Sauron, the answer would be know. But like the OP said, virtue, wisdom, compassion, these traits and those similar make an individual more powerful than sheer strength.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +2

      @@AltruistickAsk I never missed the point. I never denied his claims but what he says is different than personal power. Melkor was the mightiest of all beings but also the least powerful one ( according to the logic OP suggested at least )
      He was killed by Elendil and Gil Galad after he was weakened by the destruction of Numenor
      Said Luthien could move Morgoth to desire, Mandos to pity and all beings in Angband to sleep. Huan was protected by fate but he fled before Sauron before Luthien intervened who also fainted before Sauron
      Eonwe admitted that he didn’t have authority to forgive Sauron and Sauron’s decision to bow before him was just try to evade facing Valar themselves and getting out of the situation faster
      Tolkien said in his letters that Ar-Pharazon could capture Sauron’s slaves not him for he was too powerful to be captured that way. His decision to surrender was cunning and not a necessity on an individual level
      Sauron didnt fight with White Council in the books
      Hobbits that were aided by Iluvatar himself yes

    • @AS-fo7zj
      @AS-fo7zj 22 дні тому

      I have to agree with Og, all the talk of power in other ways might be true in some ways but this is about true power, what would happen if 2 entities were facing each other in a battle to the death. Your average philosopher or Scientist is probably wiser than your average MMA fighter and night also be one of the most compasionate people you could ever meet but I know who would still be standing after 3 minutes in the cage.

    • @FatphobeforLife
      @FatphobeforLife 13 днів тому

      100%. It is extremely unhealthy to oppose the aims of Gandalf.

  • @allanwilson8878
    @allanwilson8878 Місяць тому +13

    People, including the op, need to remember that the Valar did not live in Middle Earth.

  • @kentmcnall320
    @kentmcnall320 Місяць тому +8

    You have to add Carcaroth, who slew both Huan and Beren. If Huan can beat Sauron…I would also add Eonwe, whom Sauron surrendered to following Motgoth’s demise. Bomnadil is clearly an earthly incarnation of Eru himself.

    • @cardboard_hat
      @cardboard_hat 21 день тому

      Tolkien said Bombadil isn't Eru, he's prolly just another Maiar

    • @udasai
      @udasai 17 днів тому

      New theory: Bombadil is the counterpart/opposite to Ungoliant.

    • @kentmcnall320
      @kentmcnall320 17 днів тому

      @ interesting thought. I have not held to the belief of ‘direct equivalencies’ between light/dark. Starting at the top, there’s only one Melkor to all of the Valar/Valier. Bombadil is strangely beyond or outside the power of the other Powers, as shown by his interactions with the Ring. On a less ‘credible’ note, if I were Eru I’d want to have a non-interfering presence on Arda….though Bonbadil’s role in saving the hobbits could be called interference. Elrond stated that Bombadil might fall ‘Last as he was First’….certainly greater thanUngoliant and more descriptive of an Eru-like presence.

  • @Delmania01
    @Delmania01 23 дні тому +1

    It’s Huan not Hanan. And the section on Bombadil is flat out wrong. Gandalf said after all else fell, Tom’s domain would fall to Sauron as well.

  • @ianwebb1402
    @ianwebb1402 2 місяці тому +4

    Good Video, I thoroughly enjoyed it and I agree with your picks. With one exception, or more accurately, one addition mentioned at the end.
    There were a few others who might have come close, such as Finrod who came close to defeating Sauron in a duel of Songs of Power. Perhaps on another day and in different circumstances .........? Who knows?
    Perhaps the 5 Wizards or Istari, Saruman, Gandalf, Radagast, Alatar & Palandro all acting together may have been able to defeat Sauron. After all, that's what they were sent to Middle Earth to do.
    Perhaps the one real ommission from the list is Eonwe the Maia. Mightiest of all beings in arms in Arda. Compared to Eonwe, Sauron would have been second best.

    • @matthewdavis8435
      @matthewdavis8435 Місяць тому +2

      The Istari were all Maia like Sauron, however were only able to enter middle earth with a fraction of their true power.
      Eonwe’ was the mightiest of the Maia and hands down would have had Sauron’s measure.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @ Eonwe was not said to be the mightiest of the Maiar. Besides, Maiar have ranks within them. Tolkien says that Sauron belong to a “far higher” order compared to the Istari

  • @robertstewart1223
    @robertstewart1223 2 місяці тому +35

    I came here to challenge the title...But find mostly, that you have made your point even though many never stood against Sauron. Problem is most didn't exist in the time Sauron stood as dark lord

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +3

      @@robertstewart1223 When Sauron wasn’t even the Dark Lord Tolkien said that he was Morgoths mightiest servant

    • @AltruistickAsk
      @AltruistickAsk 2 місяці тому +3

      ​@@oguzhanenescetin5702 Tolkien often has another meaning when explaining someone's "might." Sauron's might came with his knowledge, and ability, similar to Feanor. While Gothmog, is more similar to Fingolfin. Who's might is weighed more in power and loyalty.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@AltruistickAsk Tolkien says that Sauron was a greater spirit compared to Balrogs. I didn’t make any comparison with their specialization. Thing is simple, Gothmog is less dangerous and less powerful than Sauron and one that is more easily dealed. He also never showed any good combat feats despite the fact that this was the best thing he could do

    • @maskedmarvyl4774
      @maskedmarvyl4774 Місяць тому +2

      That's a common trope in mythology: the first beings are always the most powerful, and the current threat to the world is just a shadow compared to the movers of the universe from ancient times.

    • @Malt454
      @Malt454 Місяць тому +1

      The idea that Tom Bombadil is more powerful than Sauron is ridiculous

  • @urkput
    @urkput 2 місяці тому +2

    Punchy, yet indepth. Great content.

  • @joshualaferriere4530
    @joshualaferriere4530 2 місяці тому

    I like this breakdown. It shows the depth and richness of Tolkien's realm. It wasn't about pitting the biggest baddie against the world. It shows that Sauron is a schemer with long term plans.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      Sauron was still more powerful than everyone on this list expect Valar and Morgoth

  • @philipg3322
    @philipg3322 2 місяці тому +1

    Great breakdown. Totally agree with these picks.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@philipg3322 All of them expect Morgoth and Valar are wrong

    • @banquo3873
      @banquo3873 Місяць тому

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702Not really

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@banquo3873 Tolkien himself says that Sauron was Morgoths mightiest servant. So that’s not my own opinion

    • @lordad
      @lordad 16 днів тому

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702 Well Sauron wasnt really that crazy good of a 1v1 warrior despite being physically strong....His main role was being a Master Manipulator, Master of Illusions and great Deceiver aswell as a skilled tactician and strategist. While Gothmog was far superior to Sauron in pure 1v1 battle.. Sauron as someone else described it perfectly "being the one who bred the orcs, organizes the armies, plans the strategies, and runs the logistics of keeping these massive armies going. He is the one who ultimately runs the show when Melkor is out and about. If the Balrogs are the weapons of Melkor, Sauron is the brains of the operation."

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 14 днів тому

      @ Sauron was not a warrior he was a sorcerer and just because he is a manipulator doesn’t mean that he was bad at fighting
      Gothmog never showed any feats that puts him above Sauron in terms of fighting. Give me an example and I will debunk it

  • @drewjackson3858
    @drewjackson3858 Місяць тому

    Slight issue. Some of the Tom Bombadil photos aren't accurate. He's described as being much more colorfully dressed and for some reason he looks a lot more dour than he should. You should tell whatever photographer took those shots. I get the snarky feeling that they need to read the text more carefully. Next thing you know, they'll be taking photos of orcs nursing their babies. Great video as always.

  • @chrisss8512
    @chrisss8512 Місяць тому +1

    I would've liked to see Eonwe on this list.

  • @burstcity3832
    @burstcity3832 Місяць тому +5

    The Valar are angels, there is only 1 god in Tolkiens works.

    • @TGREAT1
      @TGREAT1 23 дні тому +1

      Is the name mentioned? You are correct✅☑

    • @frieza2013
      @frieza2013 21 день тому +1

      The Valar are considered in Tolkien’s work they are lesser gods lower case god and and are technically his children, which makes them gods themselves the valor just emanations of him.

    • @burstcity3832
      @burstcity3832 21 день тому +1

      @@frieza2013 No, they are angels, there is only 1 god called Eru.

    • @frieza2013
      @frieza2013 21 день тому

      @ yes they are even by men and elves they are call as such only the maiar are considered angels you must remember Tolkien’s work is based of Christianity more specifically some gnostic parts of Christianity plus even though internet says they are gods
      Yes, the Valar are gods in J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings the Answer from google
      No, the Maiar are not gods in The Lord of the Rings, googles Ai answer for Maiar
      In Middle-earth, the individual Valar were known by other names in other languages. For example in Sindarin, Varda was called Elbereth. Men knew them by many other names, and sometimes referred to them as "gods"

    • @cardboard_hat
      @cardboard_hat 21 день тому

      They're like Archangels/Pagan gods with Eru being the capital G Abrahamic God

  • @romandacil3984
    @romandacil3984 Місяць тому

    I would have included Eonwe, standard bearer of the Valar. He was of the same order as Sauron, Maiar, and was the greatest in arms in all of Middle-Earth, leading the Armies of the Valar in the War of Wrath. Sauron asked pardon from him but Eonwe did not have the authority to pardon him and urged him to go to Valinor. Melian also includes special mention as someone who held back Morgoth and Sauron during the Wars of the Silmaril for a time.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@romandacil3984 Sauron and Melian matched each other in Taur-nu-fuin

  • @timb8970
    @timb8970 2 місяці тому +2

    Definitely a lot of power beings, but not sure that all of these can beat Sauron.

  • @mModDesStTo
    @mModDesStTo 18 днів тому +1

    Sauron are the Jedis, white and Blak

  • @Michael-r2c8k
    @Michael-r2c8k 29 днів тому +1

    After a king of numenor landed on valinour the Valour gave up stewardship of Arda

  • @julienprevost5409
    @julienprevost5409 Місяць тому

    Is the Ecthelion in this video Denethor’s father ?

    • @LG-jn5fx
      @LG-jn5fx Місяць тому

      No , this Ecthelion was an elf lord who died in the First age.
      Denethor was a human in the third age, 1000s of years after the death of Ecthelion.

  • @arjunakorale6166
    @arjunakorale6166 2 місяці тому

    I love it your video! My favourites from these characters are Morgoth Bauglir & Ancalagon the Black. Gothmog was certainly superior to Sauron in raw, physical battle prowess but Sauron eclipsed him in cunning & the powers of magic/sorcery - I’ll call that one a draw.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +2

      @@arjunakorale6166 Its not draw Tolkien calls Sauron superior to Gothmog. Gothmog has zero impressive individual combat feats

    • @Dereisendrache177
      @Dereisendrache177 2 місяці тому +1

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702Exactly, gothmog never showed any individual killing feats

    • @arjunakorale6166
      @arjunakorale6166 2 місяці тому

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702 Yes, I think that you are right. However, collectively, the Balrogs were a force to be reckoned with. As I recall even the greatest of the great, Morgoth, was terrified of Ungolient when she was pissed. The Balrogs, on the other hand, were able to see Ungolient off.

    • @arjunakorale6166
      @arjunakorale6166 2 місяці тому

      @@Dereisendrache177 Yes, you may be right. However, the Balrogs, together as a collective, were a force to be reckoned with.

    • @Dereisendrache177
      @Dereisendrache177 2 місяці тому

      @@arjunakorale6166 Of course, Seven balrogs would definitely be much greater than Sauron or almost anyone of that matter

  • @rafaelgustavo7786
    @rafaelgustavo7786 2 місяці тому +2

    We have to talk about "which version of Sauron" to make the comparison:
    - About Huan: Sauron faced a being immune to magic; with a prophecy dictating his destiny; in addition to the remnants of magic from Lúthien's cloak (which made Morgoth sleep on his throne);
    - About Ancalagon: in terms of destruction, Ancalagon must really be very terrible to face. It took Eärendil and the Silmaril (containing the light of the Holy Spirit) to defeat him;
    - About the Balrogs: Tolkien says that Sauron was on a spiritual level above the Balrogs. Sauron could do things that, apparently, the Balrogs were not capable of: Earthquakes; control the weather/storms; cause illness; make Tsunamis (History of Middle Earth version); break your enemies' spells; control a Volcano, etc.
    - Fëanor is the greatest of Ilúvatar's sons in terms of Inventiveness, intelligence (not to be confused with wisdom) and potential to contribute to the history of Arda (Silmarils, Palantir). But, in 1 on 1 combat. I think Sauron takes this one. Even weakened after the Fall of Númenor, Sauron managed to fight his way through the lines of the Last Alliance and walked 30 miles from Barad-dûr to Mount Doom. He must have killed hundreds or even thousands of Elves and Númenóreans. He faced Elrond, Cirdan, Isildur, Elendil and Gil-galad.
    - Fingolfin: I really don't know. Sauron could defeat him only if he used some powerful magic. Maybe, Songs of Power.
    - Ungoliant: I think that the Ungoliant, after sucking the lights from the trees, and who managed to escape from Tulkas and Oromë (with their hunters) had an absurd potential even for Sauron.
    - Of the Valar: Well, it's the Valar.
    - Morgoth: Tolkien says that Sauron of the Second Age was more powerful than Morgoth at the end of the First Age.
    Tom Bombadi: In the Council of Elrond it is said that Sauron would defeat Bombadil eventually. In the History of Middle Earth Version, Tom would be defeated by Sauron personally.
    Perhaps it remained unclear how much the One Ring made a difference to Sauron. I would have had him face (and defeat) Ossë or Eonwë in Númenor. One helped create the Island, and the other is a patron who taught Númenor's Fathers. This would show that the same Sauron, who surrendered to Eonwë in the First Age, was more powerful than the Herald of Manwë in the Second Age (Sauron's peak). This could be The "event". It would be the event that definitively convinced Númenor that Morgoth would protect the Númenóreans in their invasion of Valinor.

    • @fpalitang
      @fpalitang 2 місяці тому

      Sauron at his strongest was more powerful than morgoth at his weakest.That is what Tolkien was saying. Melkor at his peak was in another league than Sauron

    • @Donny229
      @Donny229 2 місяці тому

      ​@@fpalitangYes and it is stated that Sauron was not more powerful at all, he was simply more effective than Melkor at the end of the first age. Raw might and effectiveness are very different.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@Donny229 Such thing is never stated

    • @Dslayer066
      @Dslayer066 19 днів тому

      Sauron kinda learn from morgoth mistakes, who became weaker as time passed by, because he tainted as much as possible with his power and malice, but also giving up a little bit of his being every time, in the opposite Sauron gathered all he was on the Ring.
      Yet morgoth will always remain on middle earth as the root of all evil.

  • @LilDavyy-l6c
    @LilDavyy-l6c 2 місяці тому +2

    I honestly disagree with alot of this list. Comparisons in Tolkiens universe is tough because its based around soft magic. That being said, in terms of overall combined power and ignoring any plot armor (eg Huan, elves), Saurons might, influence, and power far exceed any elf, maiar (balrogs or other uncorrupted maiar) or creature (dragon). The only exception in my opinion is Ungoliant and Bombadil. I should also add that in combat, Sauron would lose to most dragons. Sauron after all was not known for his combat prowess though he has demonstrated some impressive feats.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@LilDavyy-l6c Lotr magic is not subtle by any means. Its effects are pretty spectacular
      Why do you think that a dragon would be able to defeat Sauron?
      Tolkien himself says that Sauron was a being too terrible to face directly by even the most powerful beings in combat in Middle Earth such as Gandalf.

    • @lukemountain1077
      @lukemountain1077 Місяць тому

      ​@@oguzhanenescetin5702soft vs hard magic system doesn't mean subtle or direct magic my unknowing friend...

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@lukemountain1077 This still doesn’t matter. Lotr magic is still not subtle in its system as well

  • @soup_doctor
    @soup_doctor 2 місяці тому +3

    Some of this is questionable... But I do think there's a fair case for Huan, Ancalagon, Gothmog, and Ungoliant being stronger. The Valar are obvious.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +1

      @@soup_doctor Sauron was more powerful than Huan, Ancalagon and Gothmog. Tolkien says that Sauron was Melkors mightiest servant. Ungoliant is close but she is also lesser to him given that Melian defeated Ungoliant herself who is more or less equal to Sauron

    • @burstcity3832
      @burstcity3832 Місяць тому

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702 I agree, on the list, I can only see Valar being more mighty, Olorin was afraid of Sauron.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @ Exactly. Sauron that made Olorin frightened was also a Third Age Sauron without the Ring, a diminished version of his formerself.

    • @Delmania01
      @Delmania01 23 дні тому

      @@oguzhanenescetin5702huan literally defeated Sauron in one on one combat

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 23 дні тому

      @ It wasn’t one on one combat. Luthien helped him. Before that he fled before Sauron. You can read the text again to see that

  • @RossBlack-e2r
    @RossBlack-e2r 2 місяці тому

    I don’t know. Most I support but I can’t agree with all. Fairly certain that Tolkien himself concluded that because Morgoth had disseminated his power across all of Arda (Morgoth’s Ring) that his power was significantly diminished, so that Sauron with his Ring would likely triumph over him. And therefore, just because someone could go toe-to-toe with Melkor, does not mean they could beat Sauron at full strength. I certainly don’t believe that Feanor could do so.
    And it is clearly stated that should Sauron triumph in the War of the Ring, though he may be the last to fall as he was the first to exist, that Tom Bombadil would ultimately fall.
    I agree that Ungoliant was (having sucked the two trees dry) at that point more powerful than Morgoth, but that is a singular moment in time, and she was not necessarily more powerful than him as a rule, so I would question assuming that she was more powerful than Sauron with his ring.

  • @arten
    @arten 23 дні тому

    Luthien sang Sauron to sleep. And her mom, Melian, was probably at least Sauron's equal as a Maia. Perhaps even stronger than him. Her power kept Morgoth out of one of the elf kingdoms.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 23 дні тому

      @@arten Luthien sang Sauron to a “fleeting drowsiness” and Sauron knocked her over with his mere presence. Melian and Sauron matched each other in Taur-nu-fuin

  • @derekmiller6091
    @derekmiller6091 2 місяці тому +1

    Well, there’s 14 valar, and Eru for a start

  • @jimbombadill
    @jimbombadill 2 місяці тому +2

    i kind of doubt that Gothmog could kill Sauron...or well he could BUT Gothmog never killed any of the famous heros on his own, he always had some other balrog to help him and was slain by one elf.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +2

      @@jimbombadill Finally someone with a functioning logic that can see the truth behind a gossip spread by Lotr fandom and not Tolkien

  • @johnrollins9153
    @johnrollins9153 2 місяці тому

    What about Illuvatar?

    • @rodlurks66
      @rodlurks66 Місяць тому +2

      the vid. does say "middle earth" after all and Eru never entered Ea much less Arda (where middle earth was located). everyone on the list spent at least some time in middle earth.

  • @wawaweweb1811
    @wawaweweb1811 Місяць тому

    No one brought up Gil-Galad and Elendil. Even if you throw in Elrond, Cirdan (not sure what they did exactly)and Isildur (the corpse looter) that isn't a lot of warriors against a minor god. And Sauron had the ring at that time. Sauron is extremely dangerous but he isn't invincible. Even at the end of the 3rd age you could probably get enough good elves and men, maybe even some dwarves, to take down Sauron. Of course he is diminished without the ring so Sauron's real power is that no one can get to him. Probably because he doesn't have a great record at 1 v 1.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@wawaweweb1811 Tolkien states that Sauron was weaker in the Last Alliance due to his bodily death in Numenor

  • @UWish0430
    @UWish0430 22 дні тому

    Why isn't Isildur on this list?

  • @radicalrandy2
    @radicalrandy2 Місяць тому

    You could argue Sauron was much more powerful than Morgoth with the rings. That's the whole point of the rings, they gave him unfathomable power and he was able to amplify Morgoth's powers.

    • @burstcity3832
      @burstcity3832 Місяць тому

      Not even with the ring, Morgoth was very potent.

    • @Theelby33
      @Theelby33 16 днів тому

      May be at the end when morgoth had used a lot of his power, but the ring had all sauron's power. Without it, he wasn't much galadrial banished him without the ring. Luthian would take sauron she put morgoth to sleep. Also had sauron snoozing.

  • @jabby831
    @jabby831 2 місяці тому

    Sauron with the ring and Sauron before the rings were created are not the same. The One Ring gave him giant power which is hard to compare with anyone in the list.
    Also Morgoth is tough to compare with Sauron, because Sauron accumulated his force into the ring, which made him stronger and stronger. Morgoth was giving his power away to corrupt everything around him. Each creature "created" in that way took away some part of Morgoth's power. So in 1 vs 1 combat Sauron from begining of 1st age wouldn't have any chances agains Morgoth from that time. But "late" Morgoth vs Sauron with Ring?

    • @octaviusmigtonius2965
      @octaviusmigtonius2965 Місяць тому

      Elendil and Gil-Galad defeated Sauron while the latter was wielding the Ring.

  • @matthewdavis8435
    @matthewdavis8435 Місяць тому

    Saurons’ power wqs of course intrinsically bound to the ring, and therefore you’d have to question at what part of his existence could he be taken down by the said selections..
    At the height of his power with the One Ring he must have at least rivalled Gothmog and Ecthellion.
    The greatest omission here would have to be Ingwe’ (even though he never returned to Middle Earth).
    As King of the Vanyar and having dwelt in Valinor for all of the ages we would have far surpassed all other elves and rivalled the mightiest of the Maia (including all Balrogs).
    Having the Valar and Melkor in the selections is pointless really as they were infinitely more powerful than lesser beings.
    Good topic though

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@matthewdavis8435 He didnt rival Gothmog and Ecthelion. He surpassed them. Ingwe is also less powerful

    • @matthewdavis8435
      @matthewdavis8435 Місяць тому

      @ this is fantasy literature hypothesis… there are no definitives. An adept would as a minimum support their claim.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @ Hypotesises becomes relevant when there are no definitive statements that can determine the outcome of the argument. In that case, there are MANY statements that shows Sauron’s superiority over Gothmog hence this becomes not a hypothesis but a fact.
      “But at length, after the fall of Fingolfin, Sauron, greatest and most terrible of the servants of Morgoth, who in the Sindarin tongue was named Gorthaur, came against Orodreth, the warden of the tower upon Tol Sirion…”
      Silmarillion
      “Morgoth corrupted many spirits some great as Sauron and less so as the Balrogs, least would have been primitive orcs”
      History of Middle Earth Morgoths Ring

    • @matthewdavis8435
      @matthewdavis8435 Місяць тому

      @ and the statements referring to Ingwe’ are where?

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@matthewdavis8435 Galadriel was said to be “equal in endowment of Feanor” ( HoME ) and that’s what Tolkien says would happen if Third Age Sauron and Galadriel fought
      “Of the others only Gandalf might be expected to master him - being an emissary of the Powers and a creature of the same order, an immortal spirit taking a visible physical form.In the 'Mirror of Galadriel', 1381, it appears that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of wielding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord. If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. But this is another matter. It was part of the essential deceit of the Ring to fill minds with imaginations of supreme power.” Letter 246
      Feanor was more powerful than Ingwe. So Sauron, even in the Third Age is more powerful than all the elves that have ever existed
      “For Fëanor was made the mightiest in all parts of body and mind, in valour, in endurance, in beauty, in understanding, in skill, in strength and in subtlety alike, of all the Children of Ilúvatar, and a bright flame was in him.”
      Silmarillion

  • @CryptoNews2
    @CryptoNews2 Місяць тому

    I think Sauron was a greater Maia than Gothmog. Hard to say between Sauron and Ancalagon though

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@CryptoNews2 You are right. Tho Sauron is also greater than Ancalagon

    • @xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu
      @xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Місяць тому

      A dragon the size of a small mountain would clearly have greater destructive output just with its fire breath than anything Sauron could do by his own strength.
      But Morgoth probably wouldn't have created something like that without installing loopholes to dominate its mind and keep it under control. His right hand Maiar presumably has access to those same levers to ensure obedience, as he did for the orcs and trolls.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Ancalagon wasn’t the size of a mountain and Sauron doesn’t need to have just as much fire breathing power in order to be as deadly as him. His fear aura was capable of draining entire lands

  • @bracewellrepair3914
    @bracewellrepair3914 Місяць тому

    Did we not forget about Eru Illuvatar?

    • @cardboard_hat
      @cardboard_hat 21 день тому +2

      He's not exactly "in" Middle Earth now is he

  • @seanmarshall7403
    @seanmarshall7403 2 місяці тому +1

    No Gothmog could not defeat Sauron. Sauron was innately powerful. No, both Exthelion and Gothmog, though better warriors, would lose.
    Now, has for Feanor was more creative, but again, his power was less.
    You have done a good list, but you are mixing combat skills with innate power. I understand that Valar, Ungoliant, and Ancalagon are obviously more powerful. The rest are debatable best especially the Elves.
    Now, I'd also add that Tom Bombadil is has powerful or in another way different type of power it doesn't equate to hind defeating Daruin. Also Glorfindel said at the council of Elrind that if all feel and Tom was left.on his own to face Sauron, he would be alst to fall.
    I agree in some ways level.playing field just one on one fight some of thsie entire d especially Fingolfin stand a chance.ithwrwise nit really. You also missed Eonwe, who was Manwes Chief General. With arms, he was unbeatable ( Tulka was far stronger, and Orome had a greater anger and innate power), but with weapons, he beats anyone. I'd add him to your list in a heartbeat.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@seanmarshall7403 Ancalagon is not more powerful than Sauron

  • @CybeleCotter
    @CybeleCotter 2 місяці тому

    Gandalf and Elrond did not believe Bombadil could defend his land from an invasion by Sauron.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@CybeleCotter Yeah most people ignore such quotes

    • @derekmiller6091
      @derekmiller6091 2 місяці тому +3

      Well, when 1000’s of orcs start cutting down your forest…
      Sauron wouldn’t last against equivalent forces in Barad Dur if he was on his own

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +2

      @@derekmiller6091 Your argument for this? Orcs doesn’t matter when higher beings are at play. It is said that no matter how many armies Sauron threw at Lothlorien it would fail expect if he came in person. Similar is the situation between Sauron and Bombadil

  • @CybeleCotter
    @CybeleCotter 2 місяці тому +1

    Not sure Feanor could have defeated Sauron in combat.

  • @Michael-r2c8k
    @Michael-r2c8k 29 днів тому +1

    Sauron was a Mayer and of less power than the Valour

    • @khher1979
      @khher1979 27 днів тому +1

      I believe his descendant, John, was renowned for his prowess to bag all the Hollywood girls

  • @pabloberlin9127
    @pabloberlin9127 Місяць тому

    In fact, Luthien was too much for Sauron, and even Melkor. I guess almost all HIGH Elves would have beaten Sauron, a Maia, Glorfindel, for sure, even Maedhros and possibly Maglor. Thingol, for sure, also Finarfin and the list would go on and on.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@pabloberlin9127 Tolkien says that Sauron would be able to defeat Glorfindell even in the Third Age
      What makes you think that “all the high elves” could defeat Sauron when none of them could? Luthien literally PASSED IN FEAR to the ground after seeing Sauron.

  • @admanaddy4172
    @admanaddy4172 Місяць тому

    I figured they would all need to be from the 1st age. But I do disagree with Feanor and ecthelion.

  • @Ian_Thomson
    @Ian_Thomson 18 днів тому

    Actually the most powerful being in Middle Earth was John Ronald Reuel Tolkien…😼😼😼

  • @liamschmolzer9978
    @liamschmolzer9978 2 місяці тому

    Bro even a dark lord what are you talking about sauron is just a Maiar like huan the hound of orome also must be a vala cause he is the godly hound of the valar he can talk and has imense power so i think he is also one of the ainur that makes him at least a match to sauron.

  • @jamesschmidtke3510
    @jamesschmidtke3510 19 днів тому

    The velar are not gods, they are angelic beings that serve Eru!

  • @AS-fo7zj
    @AS-fo7zj 22 дні тому

    Bomba what?

  • @caromegan5989
    @caromegan5989 Місяць тому

    Bombadil is awesome and these divine beings are derived from both Greek and Nordic mythology. Just so addictive to watch Rings of Power and has made me want to read the Silmarilion book

  • @navyreviewer
    @navyreviewer 2 місяці тому

    Morgoth was the most powerful... until Tulkas.

  • @oguzhanenescetin5702
    @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому +5

    Expect Morgoth and Valar everyone on this list is less powerful than Sauron

    • @bgn7612
      @bgn7612 2 місяці тому +3

      No ungoliant almost killed mortgoth if the balrogs didn’t come and Tom bombadil was there first, the ring has no effect on him

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@bgn7612 Ungoliant was defeated by Melian

    • @liamschmolzer9978
      @liamschmolzer9978 2 місяці тому

      Bro in combat gothmog the lord of the balrogs was way stronger than sauron and also huan the hound of tha valar even defeated sauron so what are you talking about fingolfin was the strongest elfe ever and way more powerful than gil galad who defeated sauron together with elendil witch was weaker than gil galad i mean yea they both died but saurons body also was useless and isildur could go to him and cut of the ring witch held his broken body alife ☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻☝🏻

    • @liamschmolzer9978
      @liamschmolzer9978 2 місяці тому

      But one thing has to be saied Tom bombadil should not be on this list

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 2 місяці тому

      @@liamschmolzer9978 Elendil and Gil Galad defeated Sauron while he was at his weakest
      Huan fled before Sauron before Luthien intervened
      Huan would defeat Gothmog as well
      This video speaks about power not about combat potency. Gothmog has zero impressive individual feats.

  • @damianmurphy6133
    @damianmurphy6133 Місяць тому

    Bear in mind, Sauron was a serial loser. Against Huan. In the War of Wrath. Against Numenor. Against the Last Alliance. Against the White Council. Against Frodo, Sam and Smeagol. His principal advantages were in guile, and immortality in a world being abandoned by the Eldar and in which Men were becoming just men. He's not that much of a villain, in that light.

    • @oguzhanenescetin5702
      @oguzhanenescetin5702 Місяць тому

      @@damianmurphy6133 All of that had explanations. He also had many win record to the likes of Saruman, Finrod, Celebrimbor, Rhovanion, Tol Sirion, Eregion etc

    • @hivetech4903
      @hivetech4903 28 днів тому

      Losing isn't a problem when you're immortal 😂 That was sometimes part of Sauron's plan.

  • @samanthadrennan
    @samanthadrennan 2 місяці тому

    Yeah no