This is so evil. I feel bad for the two unfortunate women, children and family members. To kill a woman because she just doing her job as a court appointed witness is so evil.
Sadly those women should have never been going there without armed males! because everyone knew what/who they were dealing with. Why take such a chance?! Why is grandma telling anyone anything regarding this custody dispute anyway?!
@@deborahpoole9710right? I didn’t get that either..why would the grandma dictate who the persons doing the supervision is and did she think the mom just wouldn’t come if that person didn’t come? I don’t get the whole point behind all of that?
That 16-year-old is SO brave and courageous, OMG, I can't imagine what it took to speak out! This case could've easily ended up a cold case, the kids back with Granny and no justice for the Momma's in heaven! What a HERO!!!
I was a board cert. paralegal in Tx. I also had a "private service" business on the side serving court documents. Quite often, "family law" cases were as dangerous if not more so than "criminal defense" cases. When you serve somebody with a divorce suit or suit for back child support payments, you can be sure that they will not be happy. I remember serving the ex-husband of a court clerk with a suit for back child support. To make matters worse he happened to be an ex-cop who had been fired for using excess force. I tricked my way into his office, identified him, & then handed him the law suit. He started yelling at me as he went to a cabinet & reached in. I knew what he was reaching for & reminded his that I was an "officer of the court" & that it wouldn't go well for him. He thought a min., removed his empty hand from the drawer, & I backed out of the office. I've also had to accompany wives to remove their property from their homes which were occupied by their husbands, i.e., protection! Unfortunately in this case the third party present lost her life as well.
It’s true I’ve never feared for my life more than when I left my ex and during the custody process. I came out of it with PTSD but luckily a beating heart and unharmed child. These cases grip me
In Washington State we have had some horrific cases. There was the Powell case where he shoved the visit caseperson out the door, locked it, and blew up the house w him and the kids in it. And another where a man attacked a caseworker and a deputy w a machete. Some suggestions I thought were helpful....Trades should always be done at a fire Station, police station, hospital or some other public place that can be observed. Also that way if there is a problem w the child say if the child is still wearing the same clothes, dirty soaking diaper, hungry and so on it's easier to note esp if there is video footage. Also, couples need to remember to never engage negatively. Just take the children and bite your tongue...it is best to keep a tablet say in a bag where the parents can communicate and keep notes to each other about the kids. This helps esp if they cannot get along well enough to communicate. But also it can be a nice way to look back and look and how your children grew. Right down if they fell or got sick, made something, said something funny, or just did something special. Then take a picture of it every so often just in case it gets lost. If it is the place that is put in place from the beginning w the courts and it is standard then most of the time individuals do not feel like they are being signalled out. But if it's not that's when it adds to their paranoia anxiety about the switch and nothing is fair.... I did foster care for almost 10 years and it is not for the Faint of heart. 😢 it is hard and it is sad and challenging esp when parents are in drugs or have mental disorders. The littles are the ones that have the hardest time with their broken hearts and disappointments. Dont do drugs! Dont be selfish, if u read this and have a little one and need help please please reach out your little one deserve the very best version of you! Because YOU can be AMAZING!❤
That "grandma" is an evil, bitter soul who cared NOTHING about those children. And the people who helped to carry out this tragedy is just as evil! Glad the children will no longer be in her presence (who knows what she has done to them, said to them or was going to do them). So sorry their moms are gone. Hope someone gives the children the love they need and deserve and will be there for them in every way. Rest in Peace, Veronica & Jillian.🕯🕊
I just hope they connect the Dad to this so those kids don't have to be around that atmosphere and those people. If innocent and proven fit to father would be great. But really he came from that EVIL WOMAN so how much is in him.
@@aliciamangubat2328The evil granny accused Veronica’s brother of abusing the kids. Which was probably untrue. She’s just one of those people who think they are better than others & “holier than thou”.😡
All about control. People are so scary... You never know who anyone is on the inside. Their maniacal issues, be it control or jealousy, what have you. The percentage of people that would go this far if they're simply triggered in the wrong way would probably shock us all.
I no. That abandoned gas station.looked like something out of a horror movie. A Jim dandy spot for a stick up. Every crumb of this story is crazier than the last. Very sad and tragic. Those children lost everything.
I don't know, but WHY the mom & the sup agreed to meet there to begin with?? I would have said I won't be meeting there. Very strange! I wonder if the 5th person was the one that made the arrangements to meet there?? I read somewhere that the kids father was the one that was originally supposed to bringing the kids and the following day he was supposed to go to rehab. DON'T know if that was true, but since there is a 5th person, perhaps somebody should check into it.
😂 you think the alleged 5th person made the meeting place arrangements?? I can't believe the junk people say. All your bogus crap does nothing but cause trouble and more bogus stories. Get a grip . He couldn't have been the one to bring the kids to the meet up location as he was in jail! He was court order to go to rehab immediately upon his release from jail. Duh
Just wrong to keep the Mother away from her children. Granny was brainwashing these children. No telling how many murders she has committed ?Even threatened to murder her own Son if he didn't go along with her. He didn't do what she wanted, so she put him in re-hab. Wonder if granny was doing Meth... So horrific....
@@JK-lp6uw Thought I erased that part. Was in poor taste on my part. I'm not gonna put the UTube person out there. I am unable to find it. So unable to delete..
Please dont forget that 16y/o is a victim just like the young children. But good on her for sacrificing her happiness with her parents from here on out, for the better of the bigger picture. What a brave, just child, who has been handed a horrible set of parents & circumstances in life, and she still chose the right path.
I sure hope they have taken that very brave 16 year old to a safe place because there might be more “godly” associates out there looking for retaliation for their friends. That teen had guts to do the right thing because I’m sure her parents clearly didn’t even care about her.
From what I heard from another source, they have put her in a safehouse. Such a tragedy for her too! The male is apparently not her biological father. Hopefully she has a dad out there or other family that cares!
If the daughter of Cora Trombly is reading those… You did the right thing…. You have a lot to deal with right now surround yourself is strong loving people. Know as time passes things will become easier to deal with. The memory will never go away… however this situation dose not define the rest of your life. There will be many days in the future your heart will feel the sadness of this…. But can also enjoy and cherish the embrace of a loved one or the laughter of your own children. Hang in there you will get through this.
What a brave teenager to expose her own mother and stepfather for the killers they were. It would have taken so much longer, if not never, without her. She's a superhero.
When we’re young, we too often make stupid mistakes. Like falling for a “bad boys”. I did. Took his abuse for 8 years then finally got freedom for myself & my daughter. Unfortunately I had to move out of state. But I’ve been back in good ole Oklahoma” for many years.
What a beautiful young lady and mother . Why would anyone take the life of this talented woman that had a business and only wanted to escape Tiffany’s frightening influence and threats. The impact on the families of Veronica and Jilian are just devastating. The courts can now see that Veronica was right about the fears she had for herself and her children.
This is disturbing on so many levels! Why would a person like this even be allowed access to these children? I guess I don't know enough of the details but I should think this group was already known. I just don't understand! Two tragic deaths, children lost their mom, and a teenager that will most likely be scarred for life. World gone mad! I have no idea what's going on in our world anymore!
@@Aintright890 these four individuals are indicted. Sure, right now it's only allegation. But remember, they have the bodies. Are you saying the indictment is false?
So the dad was conveniently in a rehab. To be released in Sept. I dont believe for one minute that he wasn't in on this. Ole grandma wanted him to have full custody. So who is left now.... him, in Sept. Family members most definitely can get evil minded when it concerns children, child support & all that comes with it. Unlimited evil in some ppl.🥀💖🙏🌱
@@JK-lp6uw well….no one died on moms watch……ever. Did you see who the judge thinks is a good caretaker for the children? Did you note the father in rehab and jail? Who made the decision to place these children where they were?
No, she didn't. She fabricated junk. I thought at one time she was a good reporter. Not anymore. She juices up the story line with junk!! The part about the clip in Jillians purse for example, then how she claimed "no gun". She's stirring pot worse than the ding dongs that make absurd comments. It's no wonder society has become a bunch of raving lunatics. With the bogus, jacked up stories that the FAKE NEWS throws out there!! It's all by design folks. The media is pure poison. Jillian was no novice to supervision of court appointed custody visits, damn straight she carried a pistol, she was stupid if she didn't, especially with the shaded history of the family who had the children. Those 2 women were caught off gaurd, they took the pistol when they ambushed the gals. It's not rocket science. This reporter is a joke!
Furthermore, Jillian was no novice when it comes to court appointed supervision in custody cases. Damn straight she was packing a pistol. She was a fool if she didn't. That's common sense. It's obvious the gals were caught off gaurd when the crazies ambushed them, probably scared the heck out of them , more than likely she didn't have the clip in the gun , crazies pulled a gun on them first and took her gun from her. Unfortunate as it is. She should have had it ready to go and should have started blazing them as soon as she saw there was more than one person and no kids. They were doomed from drop . At least she may have hit or killed one of them . I don't see how they could have escaped from this. Recovery was not possible as they were overpowered by them. It's a sad ordeal. But they never had a chance. Grandma and her goons made sure of that. One can only imagine the terror the 2 women felt. God rest their soul. The only up side, if there is one, is that they were taken quick and didn't suffer more than they had to. It appears that may have been the case due to the blood, glasses being found at the car location. I'm certain the goons didn't want to draw any attention from the struggle, and got away from the car in mere minutes concealing the 2 women which meant they were already deceased before they left the location. 😢
So sad , cried for the two mothers that I don’t even know ! I can’t even imagine the horror these women went through!!! I pray to God the children are given to Veronica’s family!!!
Why do the media yappers tell the news in such a goofy, over the top manner? The details of the cases they cover are rarely covered in a ‘matter of factly’ fashion anymore.
“The breathtaking climax” phrase is sickening. Try a little restraint in the sensationalism. Sounds cheap. Pull up a chair and get comfy is really stupid too. Think about what you are saying and how you say it.
It’s no wonder why the cops and investigators didn’t want to say anything before this all came out. It also makes sense why most people in that town didn’t want to say anything.
Since when do grandparents get to make all the rules. It was the grandma who decided the kid exchange would be on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Grandma decides the social worker takes time off....wth is the judge whose job it is to mediate for BOTH parties. The judge needs to be held accountable because HE allowed this evil grandma to make her own rules. Parents generally meet in public in daytime for a kid exchange
Great reporting. Factual and pretty calm and informative without being cold/distant. I liked the reporter. The story is beyond horrific. Sorry for the child, more than anything😔. Prayers for all the losses. ❤️🔥🙏🙏🙏❤️🔥
Oklahoma Children’s Services foster care until age 18 until and after their father tries to gain custody and raise them for a few months. They’ll get the father “Wrangler” for conspiracy in a year or two and he’ll go away for 20-50.
@@twinmama yes, I’m very familiar but unless either of the parents has siblings that transfer is highly unlikely or they would have been placed there already. The fact that the previous best option was a murderous MIL with a criminal record, documented drug use and very sketchy companions, “next of kin” is not looking good. Frequently “next of kin” can be overruled in favor of the county and unless those “next of kin” have buckets of money to hire buckets of attorneys to fight buckets of motions and rulings, they’re SOL.
@@kathrynwitte3398 yes you are right. i have fostered a lot and have adopted 4. What I have seen thats the first option is next of kin, but also a lot of times there's no family that can pass the background check. Thank you for replying.
This is concise, facts as they get them, excellent reporting from 'them' (NewsNation) to us- that's you and me. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch. As of today, in America we still have freedoms 🇺🇸 like that!
@@donna9567 yes, I stopped watching because she added too much drama, which made the whole segment confusing. In other countries outside the USA, they do not force to watch a specific news outlet or segment. Now thanks to the internet we can watch and listen to new agencies globally, allowing more perspectives. This is just about a news anchor who starts performing rather than clearly presenting a story.
Someone who lives in that part of the state said it's likely the exchange point was a halfway point. That should be irrelevant. For years police have told the public to use busy shopping centers or even police stations to meet fo
The T’s told the 16 y/o, it didn’t go “as planned”. Did Jilian get one 🎯 in at PG, before they overpowered her, and took her pew pew? Then took the ladies to be unalived somewhere else. Maybe he expired at the scene or during everything, so, they decided to bury him somewhere else? (Maybe that was his 🩸 at the scene, and that’s why LE said the public is not in any danger). Maybe they just haven’t located his remains yet?
RIP Veronica and Jillian. Two young lives lost senselessly. The children's lives and 2 families lives turned up side down. Totally EVIL monsters through and through, they should never be released.
Since when did the courts take orders from a grandma?!?!? The mom was going to be given custody and it was reported that that judge was threatened. It has been reported that Veronica was to pick up kids at a birthday party.
This is ridiculous the press isn’t allowed to know the facts about this case why. The press has rights and it’s called freedom of the press. I guess these people don’t understand that the press has rights. These women were murdered and it’s sad. These people who murdered them should be punished for them.
Your tone is very strange for the fact that this is a news show and we’re talking about the death of two moms. You’re not talking to a friend over brunch.
This is like that horrific multiple murder in Ohio a few years ago over a custody dispute. Both cases are so sad and left young children without parents and grandparents. They say the father in this case wasn't involved because he was in court appointed rehab, but that doesn't mean he wasn't complicit in the planning of this.
PLEASEEEEEE: SOMEONE TELL ME: “WHERE ARE THE 2 CHILDREN NOW”???(Ages: 6 & 8). I PRAY THEY ARE “TRULY SAFE”!!…AND NOT WITH THE BROTHER OF GRANDMA… WHO MAY SUPPOSEDLY BE A CHILD MOLESTER…..I PRAY NOT!!!
I just can’t get my mind around how these people thought that they were going to get away with this???!!! Like terrible custody battle…. Hmmm I wonder who the police would think of first?!!!! Like my goodness the lack of common sense in the world anymore is MIND BLOWING… and also look at that meeting spot for the exchange… there was definitely no exchange going to happen at that obviously abandoned place… So a lesson that can’t be learned if you even have to hear it… if you are supposed to meet in the middle of nowhere at an abandoned location to do a child exchange DO NOT DO IT ITS A TRAP!!!! I REPEAT A TRAP
I heard on one pod cast so not sure of the truth. She moved out of state during a custody case without notifying the courts. But yet some extremely abused children are still with their abusers......America courts need to do better.
This is sick. Now the people that loved these women have to go through the horrible ordeal of being in court and will be giving powerful victim impact statements.
How in the World do u get messed up in this evil insanity? Why would u do anything so horrendous and unthinkable to 2 beautiful human beings? How does your mind even entertain such thoughts? Nothing will ever be right for those little ones. The Grandmother doing that to their mother😢 and then to the other lady that was just helping😢😢. Then the teenage daughter whose parents helped committ the crime. What a brave girl. Nothing will be right w her in her life...her mother committing such a horrific crime w her step dad and ppl she thought were good ppl. All turning out to be monsters. Most likely and hopefully all will receive the penalty that the family feels is justice for what they have done. They ppl are more than misfits they r monsters.
Absolutely never wayched ID chanel in her life obviously. Leave your phone at home, no searches on the computer, no help from anyone that will talk. And keep your mouth shut. Im glad they got caught, it is amazing how moronic these folks were.
Sure would like to know where the kids are now with her mommy dead and daddy in rehab. He should NEVER get to see his kids again, because no way he didn't know what his mom was planning.
How does grandma have the authority to tell her to take two weeks off?
Idk but it sure is evidence of premeditation.
@donnaclark3246
Excellent question. This whole thing is sickening, evil.
Grandma had custody of the 2 kids and I guess she was the one that wanted a supervisor to be present when mom & the 2 kids meet.
@@alyssaalyssa2058 Isn't it the court that mandates a supervisor?
grandma and veronica decided who they wanted, who ever was chosen to go the party they wanted them pay for the supervision!
This is so evil. I feel bad for the two unfortunate women, children and family members. To kill a woman because she just doing her job as a court appointed witness is so evil.
Sadly those women should have never been going there without armed males! because everyone knew what/who they were dealing with. Why take such a chance?! Why is grandma telling anyone anything regarding this custody dispute anyway?!
Agree. They are not God's messengers. Thou shall not kill.
@@deborahpoole9710 the point of guns is that anyone can use one. They could have been armed themselves.
@@deborahpoole9710right? I didn’t get that either..why would the grandma dictate who the persons doing the supervision is and did she think the mom just wouldn’t come if that person didn’t come? I don’t get the whole point behind all of that?
There is so much more to this story...
That young daughter is a brave wee girl. I hope the authorities will protect that child. I am terrified for her. X
Hopefully in protective custody somewhere. God be with her thru this.
That 16-year-old is SO brave and courageous, OMG, I can't imagine what it took to speak out! This case could've easily ended up a cold case, the kids back with Granny and no justice for the Momma's in heaven! What a HERO!!!
I was a board cert. paralegal in Tx. I also had a "private service" business on the side serving court documents. Quite often, "family law" cases were as dangerous if not more so than "criminal defense" cases. When you serve somebody with a divorce suit or suit for back child support payments, you can be sure that they will not be happy. I remember serving the ex-husband of a court clerk with a suit for back child support. To make matters worse he happened to be an ex-cop who had been fired for using excess force. I tricked my way into his office, identified him, & then handed him the law suit. He started yelling at me as he went to a cabinet & reached in. I knew what he was reaching for & reminded his that I was an "officer of the court" & that it wouldn't go well for him. He thought a min., removed his empty hand from the drawer, & I backed out of the office. I've also had to accompany wives to remove their property from their homes which were occupied by their husbands, i.e., protection! Unfortunately in this case the third party present lost her life as well.
Wow, so scary!! You were lucky! 😮
It’s true I’ve never feared for my life more than when I left my ex and during the custody process. I came out of it with PTSD but luckily a beating heart and unharmed child. These cases grip me
In Washington State we have had some horrific cases.
There was the Powell case where he shoved the visit caseperson out the door, locked it, and blew up the house w him and the kids in it.
And another where a man attacked a caseworker and a deputy w a machete.
Some suggestions I thought were helpful....Trades should always be done at a fire Station, police station, hospital or some other public place that can be observed. Also that way if there is a problem w the child say if the child is still wearing the same clothes, dirty soaking diaper, hungry and so on it's easier to note esp if there is video footage. Also, couples need to remember to never engage negatively. Just take the children and bite your tongue...it is best to keep a tablet say in a bag where the parents can communicate and keep notes to each other about the kids. This helps esp if they cannot get along well enough to communicate. But also it can be a nice way to look back and look and how your children grew. Right down if they fell or got sick, made something, said something funny, or just did something special. Then take a picture of it every so often just in case it gets lost.
If it is the place that is put in place from the beginning w the courts and it is standard then most of the time individuals do not feel like they are being signalled out. But if it's not that's when it adds to their paranoia anxiety about the switch and nothing is fair....
I did foster care for almost 10 years and it is not for the Faint of heart. 😢 it is hard and it is sad and challenging esp when parents are in drugs or have mental disorders.
The littles are the ones that have the hardest time with their broken hearts and disappointments.
Dont do drugs! Dont be selfish, if u read this and have a little one and need help please please reach out your little one deserve the very best version of you! Because YOU can be AMAZING!❤
That "grandma" is an evil, bitter soul who cared NOTHING about those children. And the people who helped to carry out this tragedy is just as evil! Glad the children will no longer be in her presence (who knows what she has done to them, said to them or was going to do them). So sorry their moms are gone. Hope someone gives the children the love they need and deserve and will be there for them in every way. Rest in Peace, Veronica & Jillian.🕯🕊
I just hope they connect the Dad to this so those kids don't have to be around that atmosphere and those people. If innocent and proven fit to father would be great. But really he came from that EVIL WOMAN so how much is in him.
@@peggybentley9395 I thought there was a news report that stated that he was in jail, had checkered past in drugs and abuse? 🤔
Wait. Maybe I missed it. Why are the children not with Veronica, their Mom? Why was the EVIL grandma granted custody?
@@aliciamangubat2328The evil granny accused Veronica’s brother of abusing the kids. Which was probably untrue. She’s just one of those people who think they are better than others & “holier than thou”.😡
All about control. People are so scary... You never know who anyone is on the inside. Their maniacal issues, be it control or jealousy, what have you. The percentage of people that would go this far if they're simply triggered in the wrong way would probably shock us all.
If there is any good thing that comes from this those kids wont have those people in their lives anymore. Sad they had to lose their mom.
Don’t insult animals!
Since when did US family courts begin arranging "child custody swaps" in the middle of nowhere?
I no. That abandoned gas station.looked like something out of a horror movie. A Jim dandy spot for a stick up. Every crumb of this story is crazier than the last. Very sad and tragic. Those children lost everything.
I don't know, but WHY the mom & the sup agreed to meet there to begin with?? I would have said I won't be meeting there. Very strange! I wonder if the 5th person was the one that made the arrangements to meet there?? I read somewhere that the kids father was the one that was originally supposed to bringing the kids and the following day he was supposed to go to rehab. DON'T know if that was true, but since there is a 5th person, perhaps somebody should check into it.
I live in the SW Kansas and its not the middle of nowhere to some of us. Its just halfway ish between one location and another.
@@diamondsaphire3444 You would have to admit though that there's probably not a lot of people around that area, would that be correct?
😂 you think the alleged 5th person made the meeting place arrangements?? I can't believe the junk people say. All your bogus crap does nothing but cause trouble and more bogus stories. Get a grip . He couldn't have been the one to bring the kids to the meet up location as he was in jail! He was court order to go to rehab immediately upon his release from jail. Duh
Evil grandma.
Now grandma is going to prison for life
Omg, I sincerely hope that the teen that reported these animals is safe somewhere. I hope she's being protected.🙏
My first thought.
I feel so bad for both unfortunate women, their children and family members. It is so evil to kill an innocent woman for just doing her job.
Just wrong to keep the Mother away from her children. Granny was brainwashing these children. No telling how many murders she has committed ?Even threatened to murder her own Son if he didn't go along with her. He didn't do what she wanted, so she put him in re-hab.
Wonder if granny was doing Meth...
So horrific....
@@gloriaarmstrong999you were golden until that meth comment. Thar nixed the validation of your comment.
@@JK-lp6uw Thought I erased that part. Was in poor taste on my part. I'm not gonna put the UTube person out there. I am unable to find it. So unable to delete..
Be careful who you have children with it's forever.
This is so true. Watch them for a while around children.
@@peggybentley9395And women....
Say it again for the ones in the back.
Evil people,they don’t have pity to the children of 2 women.
Please dont forget that 16y/o is a victim just like the young children. But good on her for sacrificing her happiness with her parents from here on out, for the better of the bigger picture. What a brave, just child, who has been handed a horrible set of parents & circumstances in life, and she still chose the right path.
I sure hope they have taken that very brave 16 year old to a safe place because there might be more “godly” associates out there looking for retaliation for their friends. That teen had guts to do the right thing because I’m sure her parents clearly didn’t even care about her.
From what I heard from another source, they have put her in a safehouse. Such a tragedy for her too! The male is apparently not her biological father. Hopefully she has a dad out there or other family that cares!
I feel so sick for the poor woman that was just taking time from her day and her family to be a friend and ended up dead.
That grandma another toxic Donna Adelson
Another Sheri Brooks too. 🖤
Re: Vera Jo🙏🕊️💔
Our Hearts go out to the children, as loving parents could not imagine. 🙏
This is so disturbing. These poor women. And the children left behind 😢💔
If the daughter of Cora Trombly is reading those… You did the right thing…. You have a lot to deal with right now surround yourself is strong loving people. Know as time passes things will become easier to deal with. The memory will never go away… however this situation dose not define the rest of your life. There will be many days in the future your heart will feel the sadness of this…. But can also enjoy and cherish the embrace of a loved one or the laughter of your own children. Hang in there you will get through this.
What a brave teenager to expose her own mother and stepfather for the killers they were. It would have taken so much longer, if not never, without her. She's a superhero.
By her friends account the young mom sounds 100% sweet. How she got mixed up with that creepy clan of insects is a mystery.
When we’re young, we too often make stupid mistakes. Like falling for a “bad boys”. I did. Took his abuse for 8 years then finally got freedom for myself & my daughter. Unfortunately I had to move out of state. But I’ve been back in good ole Oklahoma” for many years.
What a beautiful young lady and mother . Why would anyone take the life of this talented woman that had a business and only wanted to escape Tiffany’s frightening influence and threats. The impact on the families of Veronica and Jilian are just devastating. The courts can now see that Veronica was right about the fears she had for herself and her children.
Why did the Court order *supervised* visits for her? What was going on?
Send prayers for CW she has no idea what information she had and how important they were
God bless the teenage daughter. You’re brave and hope you find peace. This is crazy…
Knew they blocked the road.
First time I saw footage I thought that.
This is disturbing on so many levels! Why would a person like this even be allowed access to these children? I guess I don't know enough of the details but I should think this group was already known. I just don't understand! Two tragic deaths, children lost their mom, and a teenager that will most likely be scarred for life.
World gone mad! I have no idea what's going on in our world anymore!
Exactly, how the hell and WHO the heck gave this lunatic custody of children???
@gunillaadams9434 A judge, And the grandmother also threatened the judge SMDH
Yes it was said the loonies were already on a police watchlist.
On police watchlist. Yet given custody of these two children?!
@deborahpoole9710 No doubt! Like to see someone make sense of that! SMDH
Totally reckless and unnecessary cold-blooded murder.
How do you know!?!?!?!?
@@Aintright890Share all evidence you've gathered that led you to such a vigorous refutation of OP's opinion.
@@Aintright890 these four individuals are indicted. Sure, right now it's only allegation. But remember, they have the bodies.
Are you saying the indictment is false?
@@Aintright890What? JC
Kinda stinks that the info about the 16 year old wasn't redacted from public record given that her family is so dangerous.
Yes, why was custody given to the evil family?
Especially with a cult involvement
So the dad was conveniently in a rehab. To be released in Sept. I dont believe for one minute that he wasn't in on this. Ole grandma wanted him to have full custody. So who is left now.... him, in Sept. Family members most definitely can get evil minded when it concerns children, child support & all that comes with it. Unlimited evil in some ppl.🥀💖🙏🌱
Something seriously wrong with the judge in this case.
So it's all the judges fault?
@@JK-lp6uw well….no one died on moms watch……ever. Did you see who the judge thinks is a good caretaker for the children? Did you note the father in rehab and jail?
Who made the decision to place these children where they were?
@@JK-lp6uwThere's an abundance of repugnant judges. Can you blame anyone for blaming the judge?
“How to get someone out of their house” as a google search just shows the number of brain cells the grandma had.
We're keeping their loved ones in our hearts and minds here. May they find the strength and peace they require to get through this horrible tragedy..
So callous cold hearted and evil. Psychopaths with no empathy.
Just keep posting this key WARNING: Stay away from mothers involved in violent and or “scary” custody battles. You can become collateral damage.
Why and how did grandma get custody over the kids?
Who, is protecting the Misfits Group.?
Lots of people lied and magnified issues the mother had that could’ve been solved with support.
@@kathrynwitte3398Indeed. Even a Guardian Ad Litem can't be trusted.
How awful. People can be so evil.
2:37 Horrible all around. I feel most for the kids who have an inmate father, killer grandparents and a dead mom. Anger and hate are evil.
I am so overwhelmed with what is going on around the world I truly believe the end is near. This should be a death penalty case!
It probably will be. Oklahoma carries the death penalty and are not afraid to use it.
Wow Ashleigh...hard report ..you did an excellent job... shocking
No, she didn't. She fabricated junk. I thought at one time she was a good reporter. Not anymore. She juices up the story line with junk!! The part about the clip in Jillians purse for example, then how she claimed "no gun". She's stirring pot worse than the ding dongs that make absurd comments. It's no wonder society has become a bunch of raving lunatics. With the bogus, jacked up stories that the FAKE NEWS throws out there!! It's all by design folks. The media is pure poison. Jillian was no novice to supervision of court appointed custody visits, damn straight she carried a pistol, she was stupid if she didn't, especially with the shaded history of the family who had the children. Those 2 women were caught off gaurd, they took the pistol when they ambushed the gals. It's not rocket science. This reporter is a joke!
Furthermore, Jillian was no novice when it comes to court appointed supervision in custody cases. Damn straight she was packing a pistol. She was a fool if she didn't. That's common sense. It's obvious the gals were caught off gaurd when the crazies ambushed them, probably scared the heck out of them , more than likely she didn't have the clip in the gun , crazies pulled a gun on them first and took her gun from her. Unfortunate as it is. She should have had it ready to go and should have started blazing them as soon as she saw there was more than one person and no kids. They were doomed from drop . At least she may have hit or killed one of them . I don't see how they could have escaped from this. Recovery was not possible as they were overpowered by them. It's a sad ordeal. But they never had a chance. Grandma and her goons made sure of that. One can only imagine the terror the 2 women felt. God rest their soul. The only up side, if there is one, is that they were taken quick and didn't suffer more than they had to. It appears that may have been the case due to the blood, glasses being found at the car location. I'm certain the goons didn't want to draw any attention from the struggle, and got away from the car in mere minutes concealing the 2 women which meant they were already deceased before they left the location. 😢
Wow, just heard about this here
So sad , cried for the two mothers that I don’t even know ! I can’t even imagine the horror these women went through!!! I pray to God the children are given to Veronica’s family!!!
Why do the media yappers tell the news in such a goofy, over the top manner?
The details of the cases they cover are rarely covered in a ‘matter of factly’ fashion anymore.
“The breathtaking climax” phrase is sickening. Try a little restraint in the sensationalism. Sounds cheap. Pull up a chair and get comfy is really stupid too. Think about what you are saying and how you say it.
Yikes!
Why did the grandmother have custody? Why were mother’s visits supervised?
Not sure if true. The Mom moved out of state and did not notify the courts
It’s no wonder why the cops and investigators didn’t want to say anything before this all came out. It also makes sense why most people in that town didn’t want to say anything.
Evil people.
Misfits
Meth.
Since when do grandparents get to make all the rules.
It was the grandma who decided the kid exchange would be on a dirt road in the middle of nowhere. Grandma decides the social worker takes time off....wth is the judge whose job it is to mediate for BOTH parties. The judge needs to be held accountable because HE allowed this evil grandma to make her own rules.
Parents generally meet in public in daytime for a kid exchange
Yes I keep saying the judges and all government employees need to be held accountable in all cases! #banqualifiedimmunty
Remember all of those 4 are the towns bullies, even the Sherriff Department was wary of them.
How did the dad and grandma have custody of the kids instead of mom? He had been in prison and now in rehab...make it make sense.
4 crazy ass hometown bar folks
Not God’s misfits more accurately America’s Trailer Trash.
Meth.😮
The only people that benefit from child custody battles are lawyers
Disagree, some kids are saved by those custody battles. Taken away from abusers, etc.
Why does this woman seem so delighted to tell the story?
Because she wasn't there...😅
WHAT KIND OF SCANDAL ARRANGES FOR A CHILD SWAP IN THE MIDDLE OF AN ABANDONED INTERSECTION
Great reporting. Factual and pretty calm and informative without being cold/distant. I liked the reporter. The story is beyond horrific. Sorry for the child, more than anything😔. Prayers for all the losses. ❤️🔥🙏🙏🙏❤️🔥
What will happen to the poor kids 😢
Oklahoma Children’s Services foster care until age 18 until and after their father tries to gain custody and raise them for a few months. They’ll get the father “Wrangler” for conspiracy in a year or two and he’ll go away for 20-50.
@@kathrynwitte3398stop it. You don't know that!! 😂
@@kathrynwitte3398 Next of kin
@@twinmama yes, I’m very familiar but unless either of the parents has siblings that transfer is highly unlikely or they would have been placed there already. The fact that the previous best option was a murderous MIL with a criminal record, documented drug use and very sketchy companions, “next of kin” is not looking good.
Frequently “next of kin” can be overruled in favor of the county and unless those “next of kin” have buckets of money to hire buckets of attorneys to fight buckets of motions and rulings, they’re SOL.
@@kathrynwitte3398 yes you are right. i have fostered a lot and have adopted 4. What I have seen thats the first option is next of kin, but also a lot of times there's no family that can pass the background check. Thank you for replying.
Let us be kind to one another. PLEASE treat EVERYONE the way you would want to be treated. My gawd...
Just despicable...
Prayers to the victims and their families.....❤
What kind of reporting is this?
Very bad reporting!
This is concise, facts as they get them, excellent reporting from 'them' (NewsNation) to us- that's you and me. If you don't like it, you don't have to watch. As of today, in America we still have freedoms 🇺🇸 like that!
@@donna9567 yes, I stopped watching because she added too much drama, which made the whole segment confusing. In other countries outside the USA, they do not force to watch a specific news outlet or segment. Now thanks to the internet we can watch and listen to new agencies globally, allowing more perspectives.
This is just about a news anchor who starts performing rather than clearly presenting a story.
Liked the way you gave explicit details. Great reporting!!!
Oh! I feel so bad!
I hope they change the rules of exchange points, how about a public place rather than a remote area?
Someone who lives in that part of the state said it's likely the exchange point was a halfway point. That should be irrelevant. For years police have told the public to use busy shopping centers or even police stations to meet fo
Keep in mind this didn’t happen at the meeting place, but on the way to it
I wonder why that 5th person involved(Paul Greiss/Grice) hasn't been arrested ?
The T’s told the 16 y/o, it didn’t go “as planned”. Did Jilian get one 🎯 in at PG, before they overpowered her, and took her pew pew? Then took the ladies to be unalived somewhere else. Maybe he expired at the scene or during everything, so, they decided to bury him somewhere else? (Maybe that was his 🩸 at the scene, and that’s why LE said the public is not in any danger). Maybe they just haven’t located his remains yet?
@@pennylane8401 Alot to be found out for sure.
RIP Veronica and Jillian. Two young lives lost senselessly. The children's lives and 2 families lives turned up side down. Totally EVIL monsters through and through, they should never be released.
@ Ashley.... "Dead Serious" ??? Wow! Maybe another descriptive...
Why would the police release so many details? Won’t it compromise the investigation?
What a SHAME 😢😢😢
I have a feeling one of them will strike a plea deal and talk.
Since when did the courts take orders from a grandma?!?!?
The mom was going to be given custody and it was reported that that judge was threatened.
It has been reported that Veronica was to pick up kids at a birthday party.
Knew it.
This breaks my heart.
Great show Ashley !! Thanks for the true story !
Didn't News Nation call the Texas county sheriff's department "Keystone cops"?
The broadcaster is hard to follow!
Be careful who you have kids with. Check them out thoroughly, and check out their families. Too many of these stories anymore.
You are the best to put all together ❤️
This really sad
This is ridiculous the press isn’t allowed to know the facts about this case why. The press has rights and it’s called freedom of the press. I guess these people don’t understand that the press has rights. These women were murdered and it’s sad. These people who murdered them should be punished for them.
Your tone is very strange for the fact that this is a news show and we’re talking about the death of two moms. You’re not talking to a friend over brunch.
This is like that horrific multiple murder in Ohio a few years ago over a custody dispute. Both cases are so sad and left young children without parents and grandparents. They say the father in this case wasn't involved because he was in court appointed rehab, but that doesn't mean he wasn't complicit in the planning of this.
The other lady was definitely in the wrong place at wrong time.
Great report. Thank you.
BEST Information I’ve Heard yet!
PLEASEEEEEE: SOMEONE TELL ME: “WHERE ARE
THE 2 CHILDREN NOW”???(Ages: 6 & 8). I PRAY THEY ARE “TRULY SAFE”!!…AND NOT WITH THE BROTHER OF GRANDMA… WHO MAY SUPPOSEDLY BE A CHILD MOLESTER…..I PRAY NOT!!!
I just can’t get my mind around how these people thought that they were going to get away with this???!!! Like terrible custody battle…. Hmmm I wonder who the police would think of first?!!!! Like my goodness the lack of common sense in the world anymore is MIND BLOWING… and also look at that meeting spot for the exchange… there was definitely no exchange going to happen at that obviously abandoned place… So a lesson that can’t be learned if you even have to hear it… if you are supposed to meet in the middle of nowhere at an abandoned location to do a child exchange DO NOT DO IT ITS A TRAP!!!! I REPEAT A TRAP
I’m confused how did the police find CW I can’t remember
Wow just wow
Excellent commentary!
The teenage daughter of Cora Twombly needs to be protected.
Why did Veronica lose custody of her children?
Good question.
I heard on one pod cast so not sure of the truth. She moved out of state during a custody case without notifying the courts. But yet some extremely abused children are still with their abusers......America courts need to do better.
Evil.
sick
Tell the story lady
Omg! I can’t even listen to this whole thing. People are vile, & so dumb.
This is sick. Now the people that loved these women have to go through the horrible ordeal of being in court and will be giving powerful victim impact statements.
How in the World do u get messed up in this evil insanity?
Why would u do anything so horrendous and unthinkable to 2 beautiful human beings? How does your mind even entertain such thoughts?
Nothing will ever be right for those little ones. The Grandmother doing that to their mother😢 and then to the other lady that was just helping😢😢. Then the teenage daughter whose parents helped committ the crime. What a brave girl. Nothing will be right w her in her life...her mother committing such a horrific crime w her step dad and ppl she thought were good ppl. All turning out to be monsters. Most likely and hopefully all will receive the penalty that the family feels is justice for what they have done.
They ppl are more than misfits they r monsters.
Absolutely never wayched ID chanel in her life obviously. Leave your phone at home, no searches on the computer, no help from anyone that will talk. And keep your mouth shut. Im glad they got caught, it is amazing how moronic these folks were.
Why does anyone buy 5 guns at once?
Yes... 5 guns... 4 suspects in custody... what, indeed, happened to the 5th?
Horrifying
I think we all know why her son was in prison and rehab, poor kids born into this
You know I agree
Sure would like to know where the kids are now with her mommy dead and daddy in rehab. He should NEVER get to see his kids again, because no way he didn't know what his mom was planning.
Wow, so much talk, so little information.