Murdered Kansas Moms: Some Questions Answered...Many More Remain
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2024
- As you'll recall, Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelley disappeared March 30 - Easter weekend - as the women set off from Kansas to Oklahoma for Butler's visitation with her children, who were in the custody of Tifany Adams (the children's grandmother). Now, four people have been arrested in connection to the deaths of the women, whose bodies have since been found. Tune into NewsNation for the latest on this story - and everything else Brian's working on. Log on to www.JoinNN.com to find out how to watch - and don't forget, you can listen NewsNation through Amazon Alexa and Apple CarPlay!
Those poor mommas. They nor their families deserved this. So sad.
Wonder 😮if granny witch is happy..
Who's going to take care of the kids now?
@@msherry5right! Granny said the kids weren't safe with their mother! And the kids were supposed to be safe with granny? Granny who bludgeoned the brains out of two women,mothers, probably with a
hammer or club!! And the murderers were representing God??
There is a saying we say out here in Panhandle Oklahoma and Texas.... "It's so flat out here you can watch your dog run away for two days"
Six children without a Mom.💔
actually 8 children we have to look at cora's 2 children in protective custody, for speakng out breaking the case.
@@jeanettelawson6336 I was think 8 kids also!
Evil people's victims ultimately end up being innocent, young children, too often. Heartbreaking.
@@jeanettelawson6336actually 9. Tifany Adams has a teenage daughter Tommye
@@jeanettelawson6336 Thx for info. I didn't know Cora had children. Why are the children in protective custody? Because their Mom notified Law Enforcement?
I hope Entin interviews Jillian's husband, the pastor.
Ever think he doesn't want to be interviewed? Smh let people grieve
Welcome to Oklahoma, I am actually an Okie and I gotta say us Okies are extremely nice yes, most of us are armed but only for protection. I am certain the reason why people are reluctant to talk to anyone on camera is because of the family and how much control they have had over them. My heart hurts for these two families. Thank you for all your hard work you have put forth for all of us!! Y’all be safe and get some sleep
Brian you are the absolute best journalist! You need your own show!
I agree!!!
Ur lookin @ it
This guy came outta nowhere it seems like. I can tell who puts their life into their worth with empathy and he's one of the very few that do.
Flyover country folks always get misrepresented as odd or backward. Believe me, I have experienced strange going to L.A. several times in my life. I really enjoy Brian’s way of making interesting points in all conversations. There are increasing evils going on in our country, all over.
100% agree!! He’s calm when he interviews people and lets them speak. He definitely needs his own show.
Journalism and reporting the way it should be done. Bravo to you both. Very sad story. Thank you for offering so much insight and on-scene reporting.
People from the city telling folks to be careful when going to the country. "People are armed"...the irony, LOL. The difference is most people in the country are good law abiding people that are armed, that is why it is safe.
Yes
Sending prayers to the families and the children who are missing their Moms.
Two of you together, Authentic and Excellent reporting!
Thanks so much for this Brian and Alison. I didn’t know that you were doing podcast style shows like this, and I really hope you keep it up. I also enjoyed seeing Alison from behind the scenes, and the two of you discussing this out fully, vs presenting something in the 45 seconds spot on the news. I hope you continue to do these as often as possible, thank you!
Brian has done an AMAZING job covering this horrifying case! 👍👍
You're my favorite journalist. You dig in, ask the tough questions, and you're so gentle with the victims' families. Keep up the great work!
Wait, Allison!!! I wasn't looking at the screen when this came on and said, i know that voice.
Great to see her reporting with Brian Enton.
13:49 I do love that the judge is letting the family vent 😢 their anger on the perpetrators. It feels only just to let the poor family vent.
Great coverage, and I feel bad for all those kids. Horrific. 😢
Those poor mothers prayers for them
Thank you very much for the updates, much appreciated
There’s nobody I had rather have covering this than you. Good honest job Newsdaddy as always!!
Thank you both for your sensitive coverage of this!
Grandma played dirty. I doubt any judge would place children back into a home where molestation took place. Previous reports have indicated Grandma was going to lose custody. That's why Veronica was murdered. Jillian was collateral damage. Grandma & her henchmen are ruthless & without empathy of any kind.
Grandma probably also just brought up the family abuse just because she had nothing else. I believe Veronica was good mother! Sounds like a better mother than the Adam’s mother!
Don't believe the children were abused. Granny used/lied to keep the Mother from having her children. Granny wanted to train the children to grow up as "God's misfit's"...residents there were afraid of Granny. Granny's own Son was threatened by Granny.
It's wrong to judge a community or region by the crimes of a few who live there. Crime happens anywhere. The judge said it well -- people don't have murderer or rapist tattooed on their foreheads. How is anyone to know ahead of time?
Calling themselves “God’s Misfits” or Sovereign Citizens” and claiming they don’t believe laws apply to them could have been a big clue that they did have a group of dangerous extremists among them. Calling themselves “Anti-government” is not common nor should it be downplayed. It’s completely unacceptable. People do start to think they can do anything they want when they believe that load of crap. Like murdering two women.
I live in the Midwest on a farm and you just described it perfectly for how a crime rocks us to our core. Right after high school almost 30 years ago 2 kids I went to school with and was friends with killed two people and robbed a bank. It totally threw everyone for a loop as we all knew both the victims and the defendants. One of them just committed su$$$de at Florence Prison in Colorado at couple years ago and the other is at Terre Haute in Indiana now. It really shakes a small rural community for years to come.
Thanks for all your hard work guys. So sad
Brian is the best news reporter out there. Thanks for your in-depth report on this. It makes you wonder if the daughter had not talked, if the deaths would have been discovered. Who buries someone 10 feet deep? I pray the daughter is in protective custody.
well.... he's the best of a bad lot....lol
Yes!!! This is awesome Brian Entin is the best. So excited to have this every week.
12:09 Thank you so much for covering this case. I can't express how much it means to have news on this case. This case hits at our hearts here so close to home, and it also is triggering for survivors of domestic violence from all walks of life. Many of us have never seen justice in our own lives, and I, myself want to watch this case as justice unfolds.
So much love for Veronica and Jilian's families and for the neighbors and friends of the perpetrators who are living in shock and dismay. This can truly happen anywhere. We must learn to talk to one another and know what is happening around us, and if we hear someone spouting hatred or stupid and unjust thoughts, it is our responsibility to take action. Don't sit back and wait to see what happens. Take action. It may save lives.
The only justice I had is 50 yrs later he died in Jan of this year.
@michele21auntiem That is a long time to wait for Justice. It's 33 years for me. There are days that I think that I would like to take Justice into my own hands, sort of like Betty Broderick did. I think I got that name right. Or the woman who shot and killed the man who raped and killed her 7 year old daughter. I think I would be happy in jail knowing that my perpetrator has finally paid. When stories of women come out that didn't survive, I think, I survived. I made it. That's what counts. I'm here.
@@crystal.knightrwe I understand and am thankful you did survive. I found a good person years later but healing is slow and difficult.
@michele21auntiem Indeed. Very slow. Survivors get a life sentence of nightmares, personality change, etc. etc. Perpetrators get let out and go on with lives or worse never prosecuted. The Justice system needs to be harsher.
Watching your channel from South Africa. You are both very professional journalists, thank you.
This was a fascinating way to report! I am so taken and it was so very interesting! Thank you so much for this! 💗
Sleep well you both! Love your jacket Brian!
Thank you Brian for everything you do too get the information to us all this is heartbreaking! Pure evil!
Brian I just found your channel dang I didn't even know you had your channel I would've subscribe a long time ago but just did you are the best 🤝👍🤝
I've been watching your coverage from Tulsa, OK and appreciate it. It's all so sad.
The killers seem so ignorant too, thinking this was a good solution. Now the children lost half their family. And then so much lost with Jilian and her family too!
Hey I'm IN NE Oklahoma also but near the AR border. I've only lived here for 5 yrs but have family here. This is so heartbreaking 😢
It’s carpool reporting! Great video Brian! Heartbreaking case💔
I've spent 5 decades here, when I left I came back. It is unique and very loving.
Like this more casual/relaxed format…much more real. Please do more like this 💜💜💜
Excellent coverage, Brian! You are the man! Thank you.
It is insane how this grandmother thought murder was the answer to keeping her grandchildren with her.
Thank you both for this update! Get some rest.
The gramma killed her grandkids mother on the grandkids bday. Jillian and Veronica were going to Veronica child's party. That child will never have a happy birthday.
Control..power...not really about kids..
@@sandyfields678, NO, the grandmother is a monster! I hope she will get what she deserves in prison!!
They were just possessions to her…
Or to think her grandchildren were in danger when all along she was the danger. Crazy
So so sad for EVERYONE.
Great coverage Allison and Brian! Shout out to Nancy Loo too, you guys really did such a great jobs, thank you for keeping us updated on this awful case.
Good point Allison, I’m glad Veronica and Jilian were found. So many families never find their loved ones…
Brian, You are the best. Thank you for all your hard work. Allison thank you so much too. This case has rocked our world in the worst of ways. Prayers for the families of those two women. Especially all the innocent children,including the 16 year old who stood up and told the truth. What bravery and morals that took to go against family. She too is a victim of all this wickedness.
Are you in that area?
Great reporting. Thank you.
Carpool Journalism!
I'm here for it!
Is Allison Brian's Producer?
Yep
The judge must have known what was going on with his friend since he questioned him on it. If he didn’t think he had anything to do with it, why would he question him on it…
Because of Tad being the grandmother’s boyfriend. He probably knew of the custody battle.
the kids ,the husband preacher ,its so so heartbreaking
Great report! Thanks for sharing the info it was very insightful.
Thanks for all your hard work!! Excellent journalism!!!
For the judge to say he had no idea is hard to believe when he actually asked Tad if he was involved so that’s how you know he did suspect Tad.
Everyone is a good person here…..until there’s a murder..right? These people were all neighbors and knew each other.
Thank You so much. You are an answer to prayers. You have no idea how many you helped. Once again, Thank You, prayers and love to you all. One thing you can count on is we will keep our word and cover you with prayer for the rest of our lives. ❤❤
Love Brian Entin ❤
Refreshing to have educated dialog for Veronica& Jilian.
Thank you Both for all your hard work dedication an devotion in all you do. God Bless 🙌 🙏🏼
I think people in Kansas are much more leery of outsiders. Im happy to hear people have been kind to you. @brianentin is an AWESOME reporter and i always enjoy your videos. @newsnation Tiffany Adams was also the PRESIDENT of their school district. 😮
The school has actually been closed for a few years
What??? President of the School District??? Wow, people can really snap!!!!! God Bless the victims and their families.
Spent a lot of time in OK, KS and MO. Similar to the south. Friendly up front but run on gossip and backstabbing. I now reside in oregon....where people are just plain unfriendly unless they know you (aka fulfill some purpose for them). Funny after living in Los Angeles and Orange County for 42 years....people in so cal are not only friendlier but are enjoying their lives more. Funny to learn that....I had no clue.
@@melodywalker3805you are shocked a school leader is corrupt? How big is that rock? Some of the worse human we have work in education. Why do you think our system is.broken?? It trickles from the top
With good reason if your from the very southwest part of Kansas
Thanks guys!!
Thanks Brian
Thank you for covering this story…. So very sad
Thank you!
Child custody issues r brutal. In 2005, my sister and my mother tried to take custody of MY granddaughter away from MY daughter, my granddaughter was just shy of 3 yo. It was horrible. My sister had her for two months. I should have had custody of her if anyone other than my daughter had her, bc she had lived with/us for most of her life. But, my sister and mother said i would not “protect” my granddaughter from my daughter… which is stupid. My granddaughter did not need to be protected from her. But, I would have abided by the rules of the court. My mother was really the one who orchestrated the whole thing. My granddaughter ended up going to my granddaughter ‘s father. He had her for a month and a half until we gave him $1500 to get her back. Him taking the money wasn’t as bad as it sounds.
It was one of the worst experiences of our lives. My daughter did have a lot of problems, but she didn’t deserve to have her daughter taken from her. My daughter ended up taking off when her daughter was ten and her daughter’s father ended up getting permanent custody of her. My daughter died in a car accident in 2020. She had problems, she lived on the street much of the last 7 years of her life. My daughter was a good person, she just had problems. I still have a relationship w/my sister, and my mother has dementia. But, sometimes I wonder how I could forgive them. I decided that they did it out of attachment for my granddaughter. They loved her, they just didn’t get it.
2 against how many ? So evil 😈 🖤🖤
Rockstar Brian!
You are doing great mate from Australia all the best ..love your co host..wow
Her son is lucky he was in rehab. I can almost see them doing the killings and then killing her own son as well so it looks like he did it and disappeared.
The deranged Grandmother made him go into rehab. Probably so he would have a rock solid alibi.
He's not innocent. He knew about prior attempts!
@@babystepsgarden6162 That is absolutely not true. The judge ordered him to go to rehab, straight from court due to some trouble he was in. It was ordered that his father would drive him, and the judge even gave them the most minimal amount of time in order to reach the facility. Get your facts, correct.🙄
Nobody does it like Brian Entin does it!! Thank you for all you do!❤
I was hoping you would talk about the fact that Veronica had tried to get a Protective Order against Tifany in an earlier hearing, but it was denied. She had been threatened before but was denied - sounds like small town politics - where the wealthy and connected get what they want. That judge certainly failed Veronica and her children. Hoping some day you get to interview Wrangler Cole Rickman. Love the behind the stories info
You look so exhausted!! Bless you both for ALL your hard work!💕💕
Thank you for this information and research
Sorry. I could be completely wrong, but I still think the judge knows more than he is admitting. To sit Tad down and ask him if he had anything to do with the murders tells me he thought Tad would be capable of the heinous crime
Grabdma: if she can't have them neither can the mama. So hateful.
So weird.😮
VERY strange… what would make this judge even think to ask that monster, “Do you have anything to do with this!?” They had not even named anyone at that time.
Prayers for these women's family's! This should be about Veronica and Jillian!
Catching the replay
Watching from Wheelock Vermont
10 feet!!!!! Holy wow
I want to think that the authorities don't want to close this case until they have every bit of what they need on these people and to be sure they have all the players in this awful crime. It is not like a one hour episode of crime tv. Everyone assumed the authorities weren't doing anything in the beginning but, by keeping things relatively quiet, they have done a lot. Don't forget, the teenage girl needs protection and who knows who could still be out there working for granny and her gang!
Love Brian !
😢rip mums 😢
I guess the name “Devils Rejects” was taken.
I was wondering why you went to the crime scene at night….makes sense! Thanks for the BTS coverage 🥰💯
Excellent discussion
It's God's country!! I would never live anywhere else!❤
There are some lovely people and Country there ,,Cant judge everyone by a few Bad apples
Not the sharpest tool's in the shed!😮
Love the Chanel ❤🇨🇦👍🏻
Need to keep the group out of it imo.... they plainly said they wasnt part of any "group"
Is there a group?
News Nation give us the story beyond the news, humanize the people in the headlines-makes matters personable.
The pain of the family members was still so raw at the time of the hearing.
Allison, contact me about a DCFS case in Los Angeles county. That agency is ridiculous.
So glad I've come across your channel!
Every town can be deceptive, however I think in this case I think all the players were very loved, and fooled a lot of people. After the 1st attempt, and threatened judge.. there should've absolutely been more protection for Veronica.
Coras husband has a relative whose running for sheriff, it was his truck they used. The truck Cora told her 16 years old daughter to clean up of evidence. So, we have a judge, a sheriff, and a lot of people involved. The land they buried the bodies belongs to another friend.
So much violence in custody cases. I see why family courts are the most dangerous
How sad! Poor kids growing up without their Mom.
He was an Oklahoma Judge, not Kansas.
Here are the children of the slain Mother ..does her family have custody ?
Asking your good friend and business partner if they murdered any one recently, and then claiming to be totally surprised and unaware of your good friends involvement with the cults conspiracy to commit a double murder raises red flags surely...
How could these journalists not know it was SIX children left without mothers???
They're exhausted. All this open space has worn them down. 😊
I wonder who granny bought the 5th stun gun for 🧐
Paul Grice
Who is he ???
@@philliphall5198 The guy that was questioned but let go. No charges.
SIX kids. 😭😭😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔💔💔
Oklahoma is a great place to live.
🙏🏾
If they're exonerated for their statement, I don't believe they get processed and detained. I'll have to look into that
All this is in reference to the comments made starting at 18:35 about the 5th suspect and specifically at 19:30
Let me preface this with: I am from a small town and have various experiences with the justice system and law enforcement. And that there is alot of aspects and dynamics to what I'm going to mention and nothing is absolute. What I'm describing may not apply in this instance, but it is to give you an idea of how the system works in small rural communities. Again to clarify this is not specifically about this case and this may not apply here what so ever.
It is possible that the the 5th man/suspect was not arrested and had been involved. It all depends on the situation and is at the police and DA or prosecutor's discretion. Not everything is by the book or technically legal. It is not uncommon for things to happen "off the books". But that is usually bc there is not a lot of eyes on the cases and there are fewer people to object or raise any kind of questions about the legality and even fewer people in a position to raise actionable objection in such a case. However, undoubtedly, there are alot of eyes on this case. Also people in these rural areas don't always know their rights or the legalities and procedures involved, but they do know that those rights and legalities aren't guaranteed in these communities. It is understood, for the most part, that the law does what the law wants to do. And this may or may not apply in this instance, it does matter who you are and who you know. It is naive to think there has never been brutal crimes go unpunished and buried because of who the offender was, a sheriff's or a judge's son for instance. And on the flip side who the victim may be, a prostitute, drug addict, or thief, for example, That is changing with the world and the people being more connected and more informed with the internet and what not, but it's still very much part of these communities.
While in general, this system, this way of life was born out of good intentions and out of necessity, like making due with what was available (resources, education, training, people, ect) it's easy to imagine how the balance could be broken or shifted in the wrong way and how corruption can become deep seated from many generations prior. How good or innocent people could become entangled, engulfed, and lost in this system with no recourse or path to true justice or vindication. Not that this applies to this situation what so ever but maybe some insight for people that have not seen the workings inside a small rural community courthouse and sheriffs office.