How to Install a Whole-House Water Filter | Ask This Old House
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Ask This Old House plumbing and heating expert Richard Trethewey improves the taste and odor of municipal drinking water with a whole house filtration system that includes a sediment filter and a granulated activated carbon filter.
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Time: 2-3 hours
Cost: $1,000
Skill Level: Moderate
Tools List:
Tubing Cutter
Fitting Brush/Pipe Cleaner
Torch
Shopping List:
Whole House Filtration System
Copper Pipe and Fittings
3 Copper Ball Valves
Adapter Fittings to Connect Filters
Flux
Solder
Thread Sealing Tape
Steps:
1. Turn off the main plumbing supply to the house and drain as much water as possible from the pipes by opening all faucets and fixtures and then opening a drawoff valve near the main.
2. Determine the location of the prefilter. If necessary, attach a piece of plywood for attaching the filter bracket.
3. Use a tubing cutter to cut in to the main water supply pipe.
4. Clean, apply flux, and solder the adapter fittings to transition into the filter housing on a workbench to keep the heat away from the filter. Once cool, connect the adapter fittings to the filter housing, using thread sealing tape on threaded connections.
5. Clean, flux, and then dryfit the remaining connections. Include “T” fittings that allow water into and out of the filter, but also connect to a shutoff valve that serves as a bypass. Include a shutoff valve for water entering the filter and a shutoff valve for water leaving the filter.
6. In normal operation, the bypass valve remains in the closed position and the two filter valves are in the open position. If the filter requires service, those valves should be reversed, allowing untreated water into the building temporarily.
7. Once all connections have been made, turn water pressure back on to the building and check for leaks.
8. Follow manufacturer instructions to properly activate the carbon filter.
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After the woven nylon pre-filter is all used up (changed out) they make a very good cordage for marking your garden rows and such. Just hose it off a little bit and let it dry in the sun then you can reuse it for marking your rows in the garden.
Good tip.
We bought this exact filter for our home. Its a pelican water filter with a sediment pre-filter (thats what the spun filter does). They didn't talk about the steps to prep this filter for installation. You have to do a pre-install soak of the carbon for 48 hours and then backflush to activate it. If you just install it dry without soaking you'll run the carbon material into every appliance, sink, toilet and you'll be in big trouble. Other than that it does what it says it does. Just expensive.
He should have said that. But didnt major mistake
Thank you for sharing. How long did the filter last for you? (how large is your place/how many people)
How long before one of these needs serviced or change the carbon
I wonder what this process is
I have the smaller pre-filter installed in the crawlspace area underneath my house, but I do not have the larger steel tank they show here. The smaller pre-filter does a fine job keeping our water odor free and tasting good. I purchased the unit for $200 and the filters are about $32. The filters last about one year before needing to be changed depending on whether or not there has been a water main break. In that case the filter does get dirty quicker and needs to be changed. Mine is a Whirlpool clear glass housing that you can check visually to decide whether or not it is time to change the filter. I paid a plumber $300 to install the unit since it was cramped underneath the house and a little above my skillset! Changing the filter can be a challenge too and it is easy to break the plastic wrench they include to remove the filter. My plumber just comes out when I need him to do it for me and charges about $85 a visit. I'm on city water, but the filter is still a lifesaver when it comes to maintaining my water's overall quality.
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Im deciding whether to get a pre-filter for my house or just a RO filter at my sink. Sounds like your filter takes care of your needs, its got to be more than just a sediment filter, right?
Just discovered my wife had been getting sick because we installed one of these without a UV filter. So keep that in mind. These filters can build up bacteria in that little tank.
What are your wife's symptoms?
and that is why I like to use the Doulton Imperial Silver embedded ceramic filter. Silver prevents bacteria growth, and no need to hook it up to a power source.
Chlorine in the water should prevent bacteria. Was this well water or city water?
Maybe change the filter on schedule…
Don't forget to open the water supply slowly after it's been closed - reduces the risk of high pressure blowing out downstream valves (toilets/sinks/washing machine/etc).
Creating a bypass so you can have water while changing the filter is not something 1 plumber in 1,000 would do -- go the extra mile. Amazing fittings / world class job. Curious to know what brand and what style of filtrations system he put in.
That's a Pelican whole-house filtration system. The larger tanks shown is supposed to be good for 1,000,000 gallons while their smaller unit lasts 600,000 gallons. I installed a water meter in-line to have a better idea when to replace the activated carbon. BTW, the carbon replacement is about $300, not bad for once every five years IMHO.
OR, you can buy a whole house filter with a bypass valve handle on it like I have. Works perfect. Got it from home depot. GE.
Customers need to pay for that. Some plumbers charge $600 for a thermal expansion tank right out of the box, no air added (or if your pressure sucks, released). Others charge $150, pumped up to house psi. The guys that overcharge and under work are a stain on this industry
Should have put 2 manometers in it to see pressure drop over the filters, to know when to replace them.
Guess I'm 1 in 1000🙏👍🤣
wow! creating bypass means how much you care for your customer! really nice attitude.
"Try this one"
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"SUPRISE WELCOME TO FLINT MICHIGAN"
You guys are doing amazing jobs. Quick notes, it would've been nice if guys ran some electronic water PPM tester on it to see before and after water result. Wondering which system to pick for the entire hous.
Yup. Im looking for the best water system.
@@ao-vp5bc What system did you settle on?
I'd have given anything to be able to stand on a floor and do this. I had to stand on a ladder with my head stuffed in between three floor joists for the entire job.. THAT was misery with every step. But it's done and NOW I'm happy! Great video.
I still love this show it is the best for homeowners
I overbuilt my system with two pre-filters in series before the main filter unit. I’m using clear housings so I can see the build up without having to open them. The first one catches everything so well that my second has stayed looking brand new white as on the first day of installation. I change the first pre-filter only once every two years. Aquasana says I should every month but obviously it’s not needed. I live in Southern California using city water.
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Does it lower the water pressure substantially?
California has nasty ass water
Do you have a link to your setup for the clear housings etc? Trying to decide the route I will be going
Could you tell us more about your system? Did you install? Cost? Thanks for the info.
I would have put in a 4.5x20 with replaceable carbon filters, other than that I didn't find anything blatantly objectionable. I guess there is a first time for everything! You guys have earned it, Good Job!!
thanks for showing us. we can always trust This Old House for what we need to know!
That's awesome!!! Main water line next to the electrical panel.
Also, no support for the horizontal pipe length coming down from the ceiling. Some came later after the retrofit of the the filters.
especially with underground services. They only want to cut one trench if possible. So your power, tel, cable, water, sewer and storm often enter the house together.
rtel123 electric goes to meter outside house first
Tip: Many water pipe systems serve also as ground/earth connections.
In this particular case, looks like the connection is near the ball valve. So it¨s not affected by the installation or material chosen for the upgrade.
If it's not the case its always good to check the respective connection and suitable materials to make sure that part is not "electrically" insulated. ;-)
Example, completely plastic filter or PVC pipes.
Cheers
What a mess water meter, natural gas meter and electrical service all in the same corner. At the very least I would have shored up the piping by the electrical service box and not left it flopping all over the place weaking the pipe. To do it right, i wold hav had the water turned off out side of the house and replumed the water flow away from the electrical service and the gas service before bringing it up for the water filtration.
In South Texas i put rocks then resin then carbon and then kdf 55. Im a master plumber by the way
Richard definitely hit that
I always learn something new from these videos, very informative.
This is great for an older northern house with a basement. How about a single level home in North Texas? The only way I can turn off the water is at the meter. I would like a filter system that removes the fluoride the city puts in the water.
The reverse osmosis system he installed should remove most of it. I'm here looking for the same thing actually. Not sure which brand I'll get. I'm also concerned with garden watering and water spots on car washing.
We had the whole house filter installed. It has a back flush system. It back flushes after so many days. This system , the charcoal would have to be changed more often.
This dude’s a G!
I would say he's definitely addressing a safety issue too because the carbon filtration media removes chemicals like pesticides, herbicides and pharmaceuticals. I like the soldering and fitting job complete with several valves. Great job guys
Lmao i love how he acted like he didn't know if it was filtered or not like he didn't just watch her fill it from the filter
She said it takes 15 min for filter to kick in.
Lol 15s
EVERY homeowner should have this¡!
Is there any danger the system will dechlorinate the incoming water and legionnaires might grow inside the pipes?
If your are planning not to use the chlorine/chloramine filtered water for an extended period,
I suspect that bacteria could grow in your house pipes.
Here's a possible solution: If you are planning to leave for a while, shut your two filter
valves and open the bypass valve. Then run the water from all your faucets so that your pipes fill with
city chlorinate/chloraminated water.
When you return to using filtered water, just open the filter valves
and close the bypass valve. You can again open all your valves to flush out the nasty tasting city water
and start using the filtered water again. You may have to flush your water heater too, or maybe just turn
it up to highest temp for a few days. The high temp may cook any bacteria that collected there.
I'm no expert on this subject. The above is just my musings!
It’s great to have your water main right beside your breaker panel 😬
I'm looking to get one for my aquariums...might as well do for my home
He said clean the copper pipe before cutting, but he doesn’t do it at the second cut!
He actually did - but we dont get to see him doing it. You'll see the clean end (2:52) when he goes to hook it up ;)
I will be installing this in my 1806 Renovation! it's great and you make it look so easy. Thanks!
1806StoneHouse f that who wants a house from the Stone Age. And dump money into it on top of that? 😂
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No need to filter all of your water, only filter drinking water if need be, a small filter can be installed inside kitchen cabinets that will fix taste issues, and Can be changed cheaper and easier than the carbon filter shown
You got it. I have a two stage under the house that filters kitchen sink and ice maker. Why filter shower and toilet water?
Yep. No point in filtering shower, toilets, washing machine & dishwasher.
Water softeners are different those are needed for most all connections besides toilets.
Those pelican filters come with a by pass on the carbon tank so there’s really no need to put a bypass in the water line. That’s what those red handles are for.
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That works for the main filter, but without the bypass he created, you'd be screwed trying to change the pre-filter without having to shut off water to the whole house.
Richard is a great plumber.
I hope you flushed the system prior to drinking it. didn't show that.
Skinny Mcdoogin well he did have dirty hands in the basement and clean hands when he showed up in the kitchen but he could have mentioned that to the viewers. TV magic.
Its TV time man... Interstellar did not take several thousand years to be shot...
My thought exactly. Otherwise the first several glasses would taste just the same as they did before.
He did flush it. Otherwise there would've been air coming out of the faucet from when he drained the system down.
If he hadn't that water would have been black with carbon and that aerator wouldn't flow a drop after the first glass.
Very well , and clearly explained.
I prefer the carbon block filters in standard size cases to granulated activated carbon. Cheaper and work better.
Mitch Scherer Good for you
I've always wondered that the water from the filters still have to run through old pipe to the faucets you now drink from
4 whole house filters and UV light water filter system
Thanks for your videos. I'm looking to find a stainless tank like you have in the video but I'm having a hard time finding them. Can you point to where you got the one in the video. Thank you, in advance.
Great job Richard!!!
Jesus is King!!!
Love when people butcher a foreign word but the meaning comes through. Perfecto!
I have to wonder how long those bigger whole house filters will last with underground well water.
what did he use on the pre filter to change from copper to the thread? He solders up some female adapters but the filter housing is clearly female too, what did he use to join the two and not get leaks? If you use a copper male adapter threaded in the housing won't you get a leak?
how is this plumber ?I love him he knows everything
I’ve never seen a plumbing expert drink a glass of water quite as flirtatiously as that before.
I would find out if my neighbours water was the same first !
Our neighbours had the same problem and replaced the pipes
Filters still great idea for metals and chemicals in water
I don't know if it'll get chemicals. I think it gets all the metal, dust, etc.
dkchen hi depends which chemicals
If you google chemicals in drinking water you will be surprised what it contains
Another half baked This old House plumbing project. So you're filtering the exterior hose bibs too? How much money are we talking here? Where do you get the refills for the big one?
They shared a glass how sweet.
. *My water comes in through the ground and then is distributed from there; my water shut-off is in the ground somewhere between my home and the meter at the sidewalk. Where do I put a whole-house filter system? Do I need to add a water line all around my home to the other side where the garage is and then back, or is there a outside system where I can install at the inlet?*
Why not add pressure gauge after the filter? If the small filter clogs in less than 3 months move to the 20 inch filter.
mpharr2 I like that idea!
Smart move installing that bypass valve.
yeah, backwards
B. Cot Waste of time
Come to my house. Its 100 years old this year. Needs a new sewage pump, whole home water softener/filter, and a tankless water heater.
There are more affordable ways like buying a 10inch sediment filter followed by a 20by 2.5 or 4 inch cartridge filter makes it cheaper and easier to change the filters
filter replacement would be much more frequent though with that setup
Nice video on water filter installation.....thanks!
There is still 30 feet plus of piping after the filter , and the hot water heater
How long does it take water to filter with that new filter? They instantly tested the water
Good video, but did you do a well system. We have one and it has different elements and timelines.
Where I installed the "prefilter", filter must be replaced every 5 months, because it sours after 5 months for me, but at other locations, I've seen it last, a year.
Ultimate Sediment Filter- Pentair Dual-Gradient Density Spun Polypropylene Filter Cartridge Rating: 25 micron pre-filter; 1 micron post-filter . The 20 inch filter Part Number DGD-2501-20
Wouldn't see through containers make more sense because then she can see when the filters start getting dirty. I'm planing on using 20" filters rather then that giant cumbersome thing. Large tanks are just a big hassle to deal with vrs A 20" that gets changed once year.
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Needed some more information on that large carbon granulated filter? How to replace that material? You should how to replace that easy cotton filter, now it's time for a video on how to replace that carbon gunk.
You dump out the media inside the tank and refill it with new carbon media. You have to soak the new stuff before use.
We have Aquatic filter systems whole home system. Problem water three systems over ten years nothing made it perfect until the WellGuru. Best whole video on his channel sold me. Those inline filters clog in two weeks.
His pipework was decent. However, he made a rookie mistake of not running the line to detect leaks.
Sincerely,
An Engineer
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@@theamericanhiker9655 lol. Alrighty then, keyboard warrior.
Ringster Water is coming out of the faucet. What more would you like to see?
@@MisterTwister88 A job being done in the right/safe manner...
Ringster What exactly did he do wrong?
At 3:31 he points out the valve handle when 'on' is pointing in the direction of flow. Not even 15 seconds later at 3:44 he shows the flow of water coming out, calling it "sweet water", but the valve handle there is pointing *against* the flow of water. The ball valve is reversed.
Ball valves are either open (parallel with the pipe) or closed (perpendicular to the pipe) there is no such thing as "against the flow". You flip the valve in whichever position it's easiest to operate the valve.
How long did you have to run the water to know the new filtered water is what she is tasking.
Look at those crusty old copper pipes. Wonder if leaded solder was used, filter that out too? That yellow tag looks like an oldie telephone company ground line tag.
Did same on my house. However I used a 20 filter which is twice as tall in a clear housing so you can actually see how dirty the sediment filter is. AND I added that whole house drain he mentions not having and doesn't address.
is that just basically a tap inline after the shutoff?
"low tidy" ?? LOL! Thanks for the clip!
TOH certainly has the resources to thoroughly test whole house filters. No where has anyone or any entity(at least that i can find) done testing to determine if the whole house filters that claim to remove chemicals actually remove them.
Corbett Lundsford on the Home Diagnosis channel does a ton of testing as well. Not just on water but on indoor air pressure, air quality, thermal bridges, humidity and HVAC design. All sorts of home performance stuff. Him and TOH are my go tos for info since they seem to be the least “sponsored” and truly objective
"sweeten the water"? All activated carbon can do is remove contaminants up to the pore size of the carbon. Nothing is added, so how is it "sweetened"?
I get why the service valve was added but doesn’t it act as a dead leg that could potentially cause bacteria to grow and potentially contaminate the water ?
I had been using piping in my house for the last 22 years. About two years ago I installed Pelican full setup of sediment, carbon and then UV filters. After 6 months after installation my main outlet line got clogged. After checking it, I discovered big clumps of laundry soap that blocked the outlet. We switched to liquid soap and a year later we had our main outlet line blocked again. This time it was a layer of thick, hardened soap that blocked the inlet inside the septic tank. Once I disconnected newly installed filters, I no longer have any issues. Please help me understand what could be causing changes in water chemistry that cause water not to dilute the laundry or dishwasher soaps and yet causing them to harden when they hit the septic system. I live in town where the PFOA/PFAS are very real and concerning factors. Looking forward to any comments that help me address this issue.
I’m curious - did you find an answer to your problem?
@@2old4allthis Hi, nope. I was not able to solve it. I tried different sources and resource however, this case is too bizarre to have any records. I did run a separate system from the filters to my kitchen sink just for drinking water. So, I am using the entire filter setup but not as a "whole house filter" but just for cooking and drinking. It seems to work this way even though the filter is not used to it's full potential.
Very simple, soft water isnt as good at cleaning soap.
They need a big one of those for flint Michigan lol
Does a whole-house filter system mean the cold water pipes will have lower flow?
We just installed a new whole house water filtration system. I have a water tester and tested the water. It still shows 3.0 on the tester for solids. Does this mean it's not working?
Not a comment, a question...I'm looking at a house that has the water heater on the second floor. I would like to move it to the garage. There is an existing softener loop in the garage, can I plumb the water into that loop and put a loop upstairs to replace the water heater?
Water Bob
Did anyone notice that he installed the valve going into the new filter backwards ?
yes i noticed that too. after much ado about saying the valve handles indicate the direction of flow when on, we notice at the end of the vid the original ball valve after the meter is backwards and the bypass valve for the filters has been installed backwards too.
I don't know why he went into that directional stuff. Maybe that's how HE installs the valves to indicate the direction of flow for some reason. Ball valves are not directional.
Does it really matter, no. A ball valve is a ball valve. It works and thats the way he wanted it installed.
Not sure why this video was recommended to me, nor why i watched it all the way through....but I’m not mad. I was interested the whole time. Thinking about now doing this with my own house
I like the clear clovers instead of blue, also replace filter Every four ish months
Gks JSj If you’re changing the filter every 4 months, what difference does it make if the canister is clear?
Would it be possible to come to my house and install a whole house filter system? I live in south Mississippi.
Where can I find the filter system
Just generally, about how much would I expect to have one of these installed?
Just wait until she gets the bill for the carbon filter.
Scott Campbell its only like 800$
Viktor, where do I get one?
John Buelow Excavating home depot
John Buelow Excavating or wallmart
Scott Campbell Remax I’m sure she lives comfortably rich with her husband. I’m sure she can handle that.
I'm assuming I'd still need to pull a permit to do this DIY?
If you do not service them or use them regulary it is more safe to not use them
His face at 0:45 is funny as hell
He stole her glass!
How can a waterheater affect water quality? Great video.
According to the CDC, when you heat up your water in the water heater it often has higher levels of lead.
*watches her pour water from the sink filter* "Is this the filtered water?"
haha i thought the same thing
Wow, gas, water and electric all within a foot of each other ! What could possibly go wrong?
Can you add? A filter system with a salt system
Richard loves his beer!!
I still wonder where else they would be drinking the water from the tap other than the kitchen? Maybe the upstairs bathroom? If not, they could just get an under-the-sink kitchen filter, and likely for cheaper than this.
Could the filter also help with hard water and protecting against contamination in showers? I know various bacteria and amoeba, though rare, if you get in your eyes or ears through water it's not a fun experience.
Gotta love Kevin's innocence
What about a water solftner and for the hard colds just a whole house filter maybe even better a ro system for her drinking water and ice maker?
5:25 ... The look of a disappointed dad
If the pipes are really old lead pipes, how well would this filter lead? Is this not a good solution for cleaning out lead from the water?
Carbon filtration is effective for lead.
@@TheSireverard thank you!
They put your water meter INSIDE your basement?
If they should ever want to check it when you're not home, what do they do, break in?
User8571 most houses with meters inside have a wire lead with an outside counter, the city can just log down info from your from back yard. I live in an area where there are “smart” meters. They just walk by your house with a wireless machine and it’s recorded automatically.
Is this a good solution for well water, plus we need to add water softer?
They didn't mention it, but what about outdoor faucets? I wouldn't waste filtered water for my yard.