Nigel Farage Declares War On The Tories
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I'm one of those old Brexit blokes and I've never struggled to differentiate between Russians and the Soviet Union. I also think Farage was correct when he criticised the West for their role in the Ukraine War, probably because I'm a child of the Cold War and fully aware of what Nuclear war means for Britain.
I am against a corrupt,, useless, political war wherever it is. The cold war, if anything, made it clear that communism is an ideology that is anti realism and anti nature. It still is, and it is embedded in our current western institutions. It is very clear to me that there was a Russian nation before communism and one after. The West is a greater threat to world peace currently due to an alien global corrupt thought system embedded, lo these many years, in our lands.
I'm an OAP. Farage is 100% correct here.
I think the woman talking here is making a lot of erroneous generalisations based on age.
Yep. Same
Not all of us in "The West" want any involvement in Russia Ukraine or really care if the Nazis get their ass kicked. Funny as a conservative in the US I get called a Nazi but I'm not the one wanting to back the actual Nazis in Ukraine....the people calling me a Nazi are!
A government being too complicated for the average person to run is a sign it is too big.
You can either wield power or have it wielded against you by your enemy.
@@Ivan_I99999 Facts.
Specially in a democracy where the legitimacy of the government relies on the public to make informed decisions about the body politics. If the averge voter can not understnd the system he is supposed to vote in, then he can not make an informed or real decision. This fog onl benefits those in power because it prevents the normal people from holding them accountable without spending their entire lives lerning about the minutiae of bureaucracy. They can always blame some other par of the system.
@@richix64Democracy is the shepherd letting the sheep choose where to graze. It is not merely idiotic, but a dereliction of duty by rulers and a cruelty inflicted upon the common man.
@@Ivan_I99999 there are other ways than ruling by power but we are still infants
She taking a load of rubbish..
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I'm 56 years old and never ever thought that Russia would ever invade Western Europe or initiate a nuclear war. And she has confused Threads with When the Wind Blows.
I was gonna comment that, both are amazing films.
I'm 55 and have no fear of Russia or Russians.
I know a few Russians here in Australia, and just like everyone else they just want peace.
Same mate. I remember being shown films at school in the 70s/80s and as kids we just shrugged and moved on. It was a very real threat due to stupid accidents/misunderstandings but when you live with it every day it was normal. I was 21 and finishing uni when the Soviet Union dissolved. But like you I just never believed the worst would happen. Childish optimism, ignorance to reality maybe. But honestly it was more like "If it happens everyone dies, so what's the point in stressing"
everyone is different, 51 here and we were read when the wind blows in primary school, yes still remember the images as they died of radiation sickness, kids should never have been shown that crap. Marched for disarmament and knew it was the politburo not the people of USSR, they werent russians, they were soviets back then. They had no desire to invade europe, the russo-afghan war took all their men. The danger USSR posed was MAD, unless you forgot Regan almost started it when he was about to set up star wars, nukes in space. Yeh no threat at all. Not sure people have bad memories or just wasnt aware of current events during their youth
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I thought it was called "Tomlinson Talks". She didn't shut up. As the great Jake Trackray said, "She'll never use three or four words when a couple of thousand will easily do".
She has 'Threads' and 'Where the Wind Blows' mixed up. Threads is a film about a nuclear attack on Sheffield, Where the Wind Blows is an animated film about an elderly couple slowly dieing of radiation poisoning after a nuclear attack on Britain. Her point is sound though.
I watched both last year and I picked up on that too. Both are great movies though, bleak and horrifying but extremely well made.
i only watched the iron maiden video... does that count?
@@VallornDeathblade Ye same. That must have been exceptionally scary back in the day.
Ah thanks for saying they were Brit film. I've never heard of Threads and only heard of Where The Wind Blows.
This generation has no faith. Everything has been too comfortable so much so you have no idea of what you are capable of or what truly resides inside of you. I was born in 67 poor, the Russians were the least of my fears.
She talks so much for someone that comprehends so little.
Triggered?? Born in 71, we didn't live in the ominous shadow of impending nuclear doom. We were too busy struggling to figure out which was better U2 or Simple Minds and hating WHAM.
And we NWOBHM laughed at you for the prior and agreed with you on the latter.🤟🏻😎
True, the flower power hippy era was born out of all that. The music, at least, was good.
@@sadwingsraging3044 :-) If only I knew then what I knew now... btw I have a track for you - Pat Travers, Electric Detective.
I'm old but don't have a spaz when I hear the word Russia. I've always believed that NATO should've been dismantled after the fall of the Soviet Union. I don't don't know anyone who thinks what that lady said old people think.
Yep
I find it hard to believe that a Brexit Geezer would not support Farage just because of his comments on Ukraine
Ye same, but never trust the boomers.
Boomers are idiots who are still after decades of mismanagement in the firm belief that we're in a good vs evil narrative. I heard Mike parry go on a rant the other day about how we're always good and everyone else we go after is always bad. It's like their way of psychologically dealing with it. Makes them a perfect voting block for the neoliberal elite.
Farage for the politics, Tommy for the movement, Let's unite and get our country back.
Tommy Robinson? He's a grifter. If you're still supporting him you deserve to lose.
From a realpolitik perspective, Tommy is too controversial for Farage to associate with him without destroying him.
Farage is very smart. He knows how to play the system. He is part of the Elite, but he speaks for those who are not in a way that resonates with many.
@@AnonNorwegianPartiotTommy is only controversial in the sense that he is taking to task the establishments failings concerning the RoP and thier disgusting enrichment of our people and society. Farage is being called Racist for calling out Terrorists walking our streets.
I’m 47 and I’ve never heard of Threads let alone watched it! The Cold War didn’t traumatise me in the slightest, I was more bothered by the IRA bombings than the prospect of nuclear armageddon!
Be even more worried by islamists.
I think UA-cam just deleted my reply to you... Anyway, did you watch Red Dawn?
My parents who where born in the late 60s never took the cold war that seriously. However my grandparents that lived through ww2 and were totaly terrified during the cuban missile crisis.
I'm in my sixties and I too do not remember this trauma. Nor is my view of Russia poisoned.
@@774Rob Yep, once and a very long time ago though.
UA-cam hides my comments all the time, anything even remotely controversial gets stealthed.
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And committed too. Doesn't he spend hours on a train every day?
So in conclusion, surrender because the fight is too hard. Its time for academia to step aside for a while. Let those that have had to fight for everything step in. You can philosophise to the cows come home afterwards. And as far as the plebs go, we are Britons, unlike those that ruled over us. More than just slave labour. Many of us remember the stories past on by our elders. Paid in tokens, forced into slums etc etc. We have more to fight for than anyone else here.
You say that as if one wrong move wouldn't trigger the Russians to exterminate every trace of this country. I don't want to die, i dont care enough about millions of Ukrainians who ive never met. Leave russia the fuck alone and let the yanks deal with them. You're talking as if this is a Marvel movie and we're the good guys that are going to save the day. Come back to the real world.
You can't barrage the Farage.
I refuse the be a doomer I’m 24 and not going anywhere
Same!
As a child in the 80s, I think your guest is mixing up the BBC drama 'Threads' which was a famously shocking live-action programme about a Soviet nuclear strike on the UK, and Raymond Briggs' animation 'When the wind blows' which dealt with similar subject matter in a more child-friendly manner, and which was widely shown in schools.
Threads isn't animated. I watched it on school, I recommend everyone watch it.
Funny how there are murmurs about Reform having a dip, then the most recent poll comes out and puts them on 18 seats.
I’m afraid she’s talking utter nonsense on Brexit. Brexit is not the problem, the “consevative” party are the problem. Brexit in the hands of Farage doesn't look like the Brexit we have now. I have to question someones sincerity on the subject when they ignore this obvious fact. You can’t blame the tories for everything going wrong and yet solely blame Brexit when it comes to Brexit. It’s a nonsense.
'Threads' is horrifying! There was also an animated film by Briggs called 'when the wind blows!', which covered build up and aftermath of nuclear strikes through the lens of an old couple who had been young during WW2, their naive expectations, and the harsh realities. As a cold war kid, ve got to say I'm feeling old fears again.
Although my time in Britain was spent in the form of visiting paternal relatives, even I remember what the nation was like before 1997.
I want the place to get better.
It good to be the Peace candidate particularly with the young.
No more NeoCon wars !
War is decided by the people who want war not peace.
Born in 1999 myself, and what is being said here accords with my experience.
I don't know anyone my age or younger who sees Russia as an existential threat.
I grew up in the cold war and I don't see Russia as an existential threat either.
Threads is not an animated movie and isn't a children's film.
Vote Reform, save our country (hopefully)
Nigel is popular to the young ppl. young teens are not stupid. My Daughter is Voting Reform: Nigel has a dynamic personality.... Strange analysis for sure !! !
Great job Lotus Eaters. This level of discourse is never permitted in the legacy media.
Your commentator said Farage liked Puitin ? Farage actually said he admired Putin as a political operator not as a man
What is she on about 😳 the Berlin wall came down... End of in my eyes 👀 my mum threatened me with no dukes of hazard not slitting my throat 😂
Love your channel, your getting Threads and When the wind Blows mixed up The Day After was the other one, and I was born in the late 60's and your description of life in the 70's/80's I do not recognise, we knew about nukes and yeah everyone talked about it, but the throat stuff is anecdotal rubbish, and triggered by Russia? lol we aint the snowflake generation mate
Same here, lived through the re freezing of the Cold War following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan and what followed. Was aware of possibility of nuclear war but it was just part of the background of life. On the playground at school we were more more interested in discussing the last episode of The Young Ones than the threat to existence from MAD. I am more worried about nukes now with the globalists and neo-cons who think a war with Russia is a good thing and winnable.
The day of the pillow is approaching.
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Could Lotus eaters get a interview with Farage or other Reform candidates before the election?
Reform spent the last few months kicking out LE-adjacent people, they sure as hell won't appear on their show.
Probably no point as most Lotus eater viewers would vote Reform anyhow. No point in preaching to the converted.
She is talking absolute crap. I have never felt threatened by Russia. As I have got older and chose my own reading material, our own government is more threatening. Blair especially. Evil man.
Speaking personally I was put off Reform when Tice went to Ukraine. I thought it was refreshing that Nigel dared to criticise Ukraine, Nato and the EU
I invariably find myself agreeing with Mary Harrington - she has a great talent for delivering unpalatable truths with delicacy.
As for whether Britons are willing or capable of taking back control of their country… The more I see, the more doubtful I am.
Reform gives us an opportunity to try. Worth doing.
She is very defeatist. It is possible to make Brexit a success. The ruling class are deliberately dragging their feet trying to sabotage it. With the right people and the political will it can be done. There are plenty of other countries in the world not in the EU who are successful.
When Boris didn’t appoint Nigel as Brexit Minister I knew Brexit would never get done!
Yes Boris had no intention of "getting Brexit done". The Tories deliberately delayed diluted undermined and sabotaged Brexit.
“Final Pokemon Evolution” is the point where I fell in love 😂
I think you'll find that nobody give much of a sh!t about Russia/Ukraine - people are more concerned about the fact that Britain is totally broken.
Nobody i know will change their view on voting for Reform
WE ARE LOCKED IN.
The film 'Threads' was not a cartoon. She means 'When the Wind Blows', which is an animated film about a nuclear strike, featuring an elderly couple living in the English countryside.
Terminator 2 embodied a generation's fears, the non-event of the Millenium replaced it all with apathy.
Slight correction... Threads was the TV drama about a nuclear fallout and not shown in schools. When the wind blows was what us kids were shown. Both equally as scary. Yes, I am old.
I mean they talk about Russia tactics during their elections ... It's not far off in this country!
I would think Russia/China/India/other could not care less who is in power in other lands. You need to deal with realities of all sorts in diplomatic relations and keeping your nation safe and prosperous. Russia has its issues, obviously, but Britain does also and needs to look inwards before deflecting.
@@deerinheadlights100 I think Russia would want to try and influence our elections. I just don't think Russia is very capable of that. I don't know who they would back either.
China, however, would certainly have a strong interest in who wins the American election this year.
66 oldest gen x she talking bollox the cartoon scared nobody and in fact was ridiculed .
around 19 mins in: The necessity of technocrats in a complex world.
The problem is that technocrats (or simply detailed rational modelling) can certainly say what is, what is not, what is likely to be , and what is unlikely to be...
But they cannot say what 'should' be done, they have no business even contemplating such questions. (see Hulme, the is/ought problem)
Yet, experts do seem to have a tendency to feel they have a definitive perspective on what should be done regarding their area of technical expertise... and Joe public are all too easily swayed to follow expert advice based on little more than the presence of a clipboard or white coat
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We were definitely propagandized throughout my childhood. I was 15 when the wall fell. I remember it very well. It was all over in the US because "we won". I was a bit of a fan of Germany as a country so I was extra interested.
The film she mentions about nuclear war, the "kids film" is When the wind blows. Threads is a different beast. Harrowing and not a kids film in any way. It isn't presented as one, nor could it be mistaken for one.
She's talking about "when the wind blows," threads is live action, and terrified me a kid
Unused energies may need other avenues.. People need to be intellectually and physically engaged or they become restless and irritated
They should not be stifled by the lesser classes.. it was already bad enough
I think this woman has made a very interesting argument, I think she might be right but I will still vote for reform
With all respect, this analysis is way too simplified. I'm far older than any of you. I was born in 1958 and grew up during the cold war. I was never traumatized by the threat of nuclear war. No one I know from my generation were traumatized either. That is not to say that we were indifferent to the nuclear threat. We were very much aware. However, we were also very aware of the virtue of a balance of power, or deterrence if you will. We knew that if no party poked the other too much, things would not get out of hand.
Where my generation fall short is in our trust in main stream/legacy media. A huge portion of my generation cannot even fathom that our media would not tell us all the truth, or a balanced version of it. That only one side of a story would be hammered in is something we cannot come to grips with. My generation, while on the internet for emails, banking business and quick updates on news headlines, is not very sophisticated in terms of navigating the internet for alternative news and facts. In fact we might even not trust ourselves in putting things together based on our own research. Many do not even know how to access all the information that is out there. We were not trained for that. This speaks to how much we relied on the news to be accurate. And it speaks to how much the media has let a whole generation down and led us into a chaos.
So with all respect again, the picture is a lot more complex and different.
Decent comment.
... Point of correction... 'Threads' was a live action movie... I feel she is referring to the Raymond Briggs animation 'Where The Wind Blows'
My mum (who grew up on an army base in Germany) made me watch this film (if its the one I remember) and actually made similar comments about putting us out of our misery if need be
She's talking about When The Wind Blows, not Threads. Threads was live action.
it scared me to worry about an A bomb being dropped i was 17 but i dont look on Russia being scary anymore Russian people are just as normal as us, just the press telling us how bad Russia is.
First time i have given lotuseaters a down tick, i just cannot abide lies.
I want a leader who understands other leaders. Farage fits that bill. Vote Reform ❤❤❤
jesus if this is our future leadership then nigels gonna have to find out a way to become immortal
I am that Gen X, I saw threads but - I wasn't propagandised at school, ergo, I can critically think so I understand that my enemy is Western Globalist Governments, not Russia, not Putin.
Oh, and I don't "trigger"...
At the start of this she seemed to be making some great points....but as the interview went on it became clear to me that she is suffering with the same kind of elitist mindset that got us into this mess...maybe she's not in the club, but if you put her in it....soon enough she'd be very happy
I would object to removing so she can pro.
There were actually several films on the topic of nuclear war, and it feels like I was made to watch every one of the bastard things at school as a teenager in the 1980s. Mary's theory is interesting, because there's not really much thought given to how different generations might be affected by such things. We hardly spent our days pondering the threat of nuclear annhilation, but it was always there in a way I don't feel that people under forty really understand at all. I've never been as blasé about Russia that some young people are, but then each generation seems to get a different Russia. I wouldn't let Farage's views on Ukraine influence me, for the simple reason that at the moment what's happening in Britain is much more important to me than what's happening elsewhere.
This is the first ever interview I've ever seen where every single take was wrong.
Uni-party*
Can we get an edit of all the giggles?
Very good.
She is wrong we all laughed at thread, never did anyone of my era get triggered and what she said about mothers telling their kids about bomb, we were all told remember this is fiction and no one will bomb anyone because it it is a deterrent for no one to use .This woman is a waste of space and loves to listen to her own voice.
Very insightful, I agree, the era of enfranchisement and mass democracy is over.
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I think this is one of those snagging points (along with, say, pensions and the NHS) that ensure decadence will not be halted, but will instead continue and accelerate.
A massive part of the voting public isn't ready to hear "listen, we're not the Good Guys, this isn't a Fight for Democracy, we have to be realistic about sticking our collective nose in it".
It's a critically important issue, given the sheer amount of resources being wasted on it + the potential for escalation. But it seems that little can be done about it electorally. And that's not even getting into the fact that the foreign policy establishment has worked hard to insulate itself from electoral politics.
I'm not sure it is as cut and dried as this, people who lived through the Cold War fear are capable of learning, I know many who have and sneering at that is folly and conceit unless you have been there yourself. Few of them view Russia in the same way it was viewed back then. As far as Brexit goes, it is possible to analyse the soul of things and reach the conclusion that the battle is over and lost when actually it was the first turning of the tide in an ongoing war. Possible but unsustainable when your opponent holds the architecture but the pendulum swings and all it takes is a foot in the door and a bit of divine providence here or there. I'm not a coward, I know which I prefer and besides, the EU isn't looking too healthy itself right now..
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technocrats i.e. TB view is better for us ? They sure have made a massive massive mess.
Can we get Tomlinson talks his favourite brand of skinny ties?
vote labour if you want purple aki for a neighbour
Whilst I don’t agree with everything said here, I did find the last few minutes discussing representation and NGOs very interesting.
I would add: in days of yore, the peasants had no freedom of movement or efficient means of communication, so it was nigh impossible for them to consider and deliver any great reasoned feedback. Today, that is not the case: the people are mobile, educated, bolstered with communication channels, fed with information, and can now deliver feedback to the ruling technocracy. This will make for historic times, perhaps even a Glorious Reformation…?
She's confused Threads with When the Wind Blows. Both worth watching.
Just as well my grandfather's generation wasnt so defeatist as your guest
So why are we poking the bear?
To satisfy the US military industrial complex insatiable appetite for war.
Nigel Al Gaib!
daily mail is a joke who ever reads that paper has to have there head examined its just a propergander outlet.
Well isn't this a spectacles for a podcast...
Interviewing 'HIM' from the powerpuff girls?
Threads wasn't an animation film.
She's getting "When the wind blows" and "Treads" mixed up
@@ra8784 yup
Her comments about Gen-xer's opinions about Russia are way off, certainly working class ones. She sounds like another middle-class city dweller who only conducts research in her own bubble.
Farage just has to keep saying he wants to 🇬🇧 Make Britain Great Again 🇬🇧 and keep waving union flags. Pensioners are the most likely to vote so thats anyone born in the 50s early 60s and older. For those generations the union flag is their Flag as you didn't see all these England, Scotland and Welsh Flag ups until around the 80s and then at first it was just for Football. Those people also remember how good things used to be from before the invasion began.
Another thing Nigel needs to push is defense spending and bring back good paying jobs around the UK. As it wasn't until all the cuts came and all the defense jobs were lost around the UK that seperatism started to rise. Even the SNP were held back in Scotland and massively failed in the 80s ,even after the devestation of thatcher. It wasn't until the lost of the defense jobs that their nationalism rose.
What is she talking about
Maybe your guest needs to cut back on her intake of caffeine or other stimulants, Connor.
Mary has hit on a salient point here. It is evident that my boomer brexit-voting UKIP-backing parents have obviously gotten more negative on Farage over this issue, even if they couldn't quote what he said.
This woman speaks rubbish I was born in 1965, and remember the cold war very well. I clearly see the biggest threat coming from the US lead military industrial complex/MSM/ who have vigorously lobbied for wars in Iraq, Libya, Syria, Afghanistan and now Ukraine, while crushing any descent / criticism.
terrible echo
Unpopular Opinion:
It certainly too little too late by this point, but if Farage's base is split between younger people who dont care about Ukraine and older people who do care about Russia. Farage could simply lie about supporting Ukraine. It maintains the coalition. The younger people shouldn't care if he positively vocalizes support as long as he reforms things domestically. The older people wont care because their guy won.
Farage could simply lie.
He's been telling the west not to provoke Russia for years. He can't exactly lie about it now that there's loads of video footage of him saying it. Plus, why should he lie? It's refreshing to have a politician who speaks his mind.
I also think the zoomers are rightfully worried about the prospect of war since they'll be the ones conscripted.
I think your plan relies on an assumption I don't think is correct. The young more than just don't care. The ones that are politically engaged despise the establishment position because they don't want to care at all about distant graveyards of empires. The appearance of supporting Ukraine will annoy them and drain Reform of the youthful energy that has grown them so quickly like the Zero Seats meme. The young will see him as yet another out-of-touch boomer.
The way to make that plan of yours work is if he can somehow signal a lack of care to the young while doing the exact opposite with the old. That will be a very hard thing to pull off.
Personally, I think the better position to take is to not have a position on Ukraine beyond defending what he's already said like the "NATO/EU provoked the war" line.
The young should care about Farage's talk of enhancing defence forces and bolstering NATO. This might mean national service or conscription. This might mean mowing down a generation of young men. Of course, they can just import millions to replace them. Does no one remember the Vietnam war?
Ye, to be fair he should have been thinking about this in advance.
When I first feared nuclear war, my father told me the following:
Can you stop it? No. Is there anything you can do to affect it? No. You’re worried about dying? Well… two outcomes. You die or you live (and not being a fatalist, he rightly ignored the idea that the WORLD would be ravaged and totally unlivable). If you die, then it doesn’t matter. But if you live? That, you can affect. So be prepared to survive. What will you do? Whatever you do, do not surrender to despair.
After that talk, I realized that it was just another boogey man…
Mary's fit
Yer reckon i would
@@honkhonk3335You must Gay 😂
Sorry, I love words but your guests’ message has been lost by being too wordy.