That guy sergey is a complete liar! NATO was training ukraninan troops for over 8 year prior the invasion! They trained about 10 000 soldiers per year! By 2022 that created one formidable army of about 80 000, well equipped and trained to fight Russia (all by the way wiped out already). Also he said that Russia could have negotiated with the west...... they tried!!!! Russia sent letters to washington and nato headquarter with proposal for negotiations at the end of 2021. The west said f off.....Russia had no other choice but to react to this!
I think the real problem was build up of the Ukrainian forces in the East 2021 after the resolution of the Ukrainian gov. the same year to get back the lost areas by force. Increase shelling of Donbas at the end of 2021 and beginning of 2022 was pointing into this direction. Maybe it was only provocation but then you have it. 14.000 people of which most were ethnic Russians were killed between the coup 2014 and 2022. Nobody among the Western political elites cared about that. I also think that if Putin ignored that they would continue along the very long Russian border and inside of it too (Chechen wars come to mind). Seeing this the Russian gov. decided to do something about it. It is how I see it.
US ambassador to Russia, William Burns in a memo in 2008: "Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face."
Until the Russians invaded and now the majority of Russian Ukranians back Ukraine. This is especially true of the younger generations than those who grew up in the USSR granted.
@@aidy6000 bet you fell for the NeoCon propaganda about Iraqi WMD. Ukraine destroyed itself with the NeoCon/ Victoria Nuland backed coup. This is just another NeoCon disaster like Syria Libya Iraq and Afghanistan. No more NeoCon wars!
I'm pretty sure that memo was leaked by Assange, it was meant to be classified. Assange then spent 14 years in confinement for daring to publish the truth. Western values.
Also l think everyone is ignoring the fact is Putin is loved in Russia, the Russian people see the west as the aggressors and are all prepared to fight to protect the motherland……. I am an Australian and my colleagues all see the West at fault.
Putin stop attacking neighbors and threatening them and they want be wanting to join Nato.Putin all this mess is your fault you have brainwashed the people of Russia.
To S. Radchenko - I don't know why you could not see the escalation coming while you were in Moscow in 2022, when I could see it coming, while being in London, since the moment Russia gave the US their ultimatum about Ukraine and NATO in the second half of 2021.
How is this even a question? Anyone with any knowledge of the situation has been saying this for years. Ukraine has just been the conclusion to moves that go back well over a decade.
Anyone with decent knowledge knows it's much much more complex, and even Putin during Tucker's interview wasn't making it to be the main, or certainly the sole factor
And whole thing about NATO expansionism and West ''provocation''... it doesn't explain a lot of things. It doesn't explain why Russia is going through occupied territories, extinguishing any and all signs of Ukrainian language, heritage and legacy. Why it's actively persecuting Ukrainian speakers. It doesn't explain why Russia swallowed Finnish and Swedish membership. It doesn't explain why Putin likens himself to Peter the Great and his (re)conquests. The idea that difficulties in Russo-Ukrainian relationship began in 2014 is a bit like stating that the difficulties in Irish-English relations began on Bloody Sunday. In both cases there's centuries long, long history of passions, blood feuds, betrayals, promises and broken treaties.
Exactly. But The Narrative demands adherence to the evidence-free view that Putin is bent on erasing Ukraine restoring the Soviet Empire or even all of Western Europe. Of course, Sergey accuses Glenn of parroting Putin talking points. Such an ad hominem attack is a marker of a weak argument. It just so happens that those so-called talking points correspond more closely to historical reality than the propaganda disseminated throughout the MSM.
If Ukraine was already in NATO, Russia wouldn't have carried it its territorial war of conquest. The provocation was to for the West not to have given Ukrainian membership and not to have armed Ukraine to the teeth.
After the collapse of the USSR the purpose of NATO was made irrelevant. And yet NATO went on an Eastern expansion mode - bizarre❗️Asking for a retaliation no doubt.
nothing bizzare.NATO is a instrument used by yankees in their own interests.And US interests is to be the global hegemon .So US use NATO to break the legs of any potential competitor .Sometimes even the members of their team must be put back on their place.Russia,China,EU now.Tomorrow,maybe,will have to stop UK from becoming to strong.
Really? Then why has the UNSC turned to it on several occasions to intervene? NATO is now the UN's enforcement mechanism because it is the best multinational integration of democratic military forces.
@@gopalramanathan7062 End your ignorance and go and read up on how NATO got involved in Bosnia, Libya and Afghanistan post the US-led invasion. They were all sanctioned by the UNSC. Sorry to burst your anti-interventionist bubble, buddy.
Why Mr Radchenko is not talking about 14000 who were killed by Ukrainian military forces between 2014 and 2021? Why he is not talking about Minsk 2 which was sabotaged by Kiev regime?
@@gintasvilkelis2544 you are both wrong, NATO did in fact provoke the conflict and every event and communication leading up to this proofs that. You can cope and seethe all you want but that's the reality
Especially when that would be such a provocation that if anything would force the Russians to use their nuclear weapons, that would be it, that would be the thing.
American Nuclear weapons 5 minutes from Moscow is the issue. Ukraine politicts/gov/military are infested with Neo Nazis. If you think it's not a threat you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Yes, even the head of NATO has conceded that Ukraine joining NATO was a provacation to Russia. Putin warned Bush in 2009 that his plans to let Ukraine and Georgia join NATO posed an existential threat to Russia. Russia experts such as Stephen F Cohen released a book called "War With Russia?" In 2018 which warned that NATO expansion right up to Russia's borders would precipitate war. There's no need for debate.
From 1991 to 2014 Ukraine and Russia were able to live peacefully. What changed is Washington inserted itself between them, despite knowing it would infuriate Moscow and potentially provoke military conflict. Moscow is of course responsible for its own actions. But this war wouldn't be happening if Washington had been content to maintain a careful distance. They were warned repeatedly from within and without what would happen if they tried to get between Ukraine and Russia, but they went ahead and did it anyway. The country that is paying the highest price for this decision is Ukraine, and that is unlikely to change.
Well, Ukrainians preferred a non-Russian controlled government. Agreed, that's what enraged Putin, so he went on to "liberate" them from themselves. Standard Russian behaviour, to liberate people into Russian domination.
Thats not true at all. Russia was busying itself assassinating Ukrainian candidates who stood against their preferred puppet, and hiking energy prices in order to browbeat Ukraine into submission. And how do you explain Putin's insistence that Ukraine isn't even an independent country, but part of Russia? You just going to ignore that? Or do you think if Washington didn't exist, he would suddenly recognize Ukrainian sovereignty?
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647 Theres tension between USA and Cuba- still insane if Putin parks his stuff in Cuba. As an American, I am SICK TO DEATH of the hypocrisy.
@@Treasure_hunter_21 I don't follow CNN. I live in this part of the world, and most of my news sources are much closer to where these events are taking place. In contrast, what you are doing, is unwittingly parroting the Russian propaganda narrative - without being aware that this is what you are doing.
Farage simply said that it was a provocation. That doesn’t mean he’s justifying Putin’s actions and in fact he has condemned them. Grow up and report the FACTS!
He WAS was justifying Putin. The rest was Farage backtracking because he saw what a vote loser it was. Grow up yourself. Acquire a little integrity and common sense.
@simonkramer9463……the word ‘provocation’ in this specific context is still, even when aired by Farage, is completely incorrect. NATO has very firm rules regarding embracing any additional country who applies for a place with it. As Radchenko says, the Ukraine is STILL to be regarded as a potentially legitimate country for admittance most especially in the light of the ongoing annexation. If there was a true concern that by Ukraine’s membership NATO felt more secure then that would be the way to go and that would include dealing with Russia’s tendency to territorial paranoia. NATO I believe continues to feel comfortably secure with its current ‘borders’ dividing the West from the East, a division nonetheless which is by its nature not very helpful.
I would say that if Nato provoked an invasion by Russia, as nato clearly did as shown by all the facts, then the provoker is responsible for causing the invasion and to blame for all the consequences, not Russia who nato provoked. So i would disagree on that point with Farage. I should also point out that Nato REFUSED to negotiate with Russia on Ukraine's neutrality, saying it was not Russia's business who Nato invited to join. Nato ruled out diplomacy and has continued to rule out any diplomacy with Russia demanding only a complete withdrawal which nato nato's knows is unachievable. This is nato's war and ukraine is their victim. as ukraine is being steadily destroyed.
The Global South, where most of the world live, agree with Glenn. Sergey thinks Putin woke up one morning and, feeling bored, decided to invade Ukraine. When he said the special military operation was only Putin's idea, I immediately knew he was not worth listening to. The Russian nation saw barbarians at the gates, and knew collectively what must be done to deal wirh the existential threat.
@@gopalramanathan7062He is one of the usual suspects. Born in the Soviet Union but got educated (indoctrinated) in Western countries. LSE and Kissinger Think tank tells me all i need to know. The guy is publishing at the spectator, why would you make this seem like a discussion which needs a moderator ? 2 people belong to the spectator
@@gopalramanathan7062His surname is Ukrainian so this would explain his point of view, regardless of the fact that his arguments rely on the people not knowing the full story beyond the western narrative.
Nobody wants to listen to or read what Farage has actually said. Opinions have been formed already, and the jury on Farage reached their verdict long ago. They're not budging. Personally I think he was absolutely correct, but most people would far rather smear him for his views on immigration than actually engage with his views on other issues.
It's what Farage is NOT SAYING is the issue. He has adopted a position of appeasement by enabling and blaming the West for Russia's actions. We are talking about a nation which invaded Georgia unprovoked, used Novichok against a Brit on our own soil in bright daylight in public, cut of the ear / electrocuted privates of terrorists to get them to confess (it doesn't matter what they did, this is barbarism) and weaponises migrants by sending them to the Finnish / Polish borders. It's popular for Russian sympathisers to blame the west for the expansion of NATO, when we're NOT INVADING those countries, those COUNTRIES ARE JOINING US FOR PROTECTION AGAINST RUSSIA. It is a failure of Russia to create a compelling alternative to NATO/EU, evidenced by their need to invade their neighbours. The have no legitimacy. I was close to voting Reform but am repulsed by this stance. Russia is the antithesis of who we are and repeatedly behaved in a hostile way to us. If you are pro British, you cannot appease Russia, we have nothing in common.
It's a totally unrealistic view. Putin fear of Nato is just an excuse he uses to invade Ukraine. That Ukraine wants to protect itself against Russia does not fit with this 'Bully' Putin so he says Nato wants to threaten and invade Russia. Nigel Farage again has put up nonsensical argument. He may be spokes person for some people but he is deeply flawed in his decisions. Next he will get rid of NHS and offer Trump insurance business for new private health in UK-nightmare...🤣🤣🤣
Glenn’s argument-esp with reference to Burns and spheres of influence-seems to me decisive. You can’t have one rule for Russia and another for the US with respect to nuclear arsenals and launch to target timespans. (Cuba and Ukraine.)
Imagine Scotland with Russian bases, airfields, nuclear capable missiles, bio-labs, FSB spy stations, Scapa Flow a Russian naval anchorage and then you know why Russia needs Ukraine neutral and out of NATO.
@@Blanka1100 if Putin wanted to overrun Ukraine he could easily have done it when Donbas and Lugansk were starting to get bombed by Kiev's Asov battalions BECAUSE THOSE AREAS ASKED TO BECOME PART OF RUSSIA JUST LIKE CRIMEA BUT PUTIN INSTEAD worked out the Minsk agreement together with FR and GE and signed as legit by UN. G0 read my long comment somewhere else on this page. if you don't know what Minsk is about. In fact, if Putin wanted the annex Ukraine onto russia he would have done it in 2014 because at that time Ukraine was not as strong militarily AND was not yet "totally hyped with hatred for russia" ! Also, iIMMEDIATELY after the Russian forces went into Ukraine, IN FACT THE VERY NEXT DAY, Putin already proposed negotiations which then went on and an agreement was nearly reached in Turkey in which Ukraine promised to stay neutral etc.....(Israeli previous President Naftali Bennett will tell you ) SO TOTALLY DISPROVING THAT RUSSIA WANTS TO ANNEX UKRAINE.......But who put a spoke in the wheel? Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and told Z not to sign, that russia was weak militarily and that the West was imposing massive sanctions which would cripple Russia to its knees and that the West would support Ukraine in whatever way come what may!.....SO WHO ARE THE REAL WARMONGERS?????????????? Now of course, there is NO WAY Russia will give up the Ukrainian areas that have voted to become part of Russia (Donbas, Lugansk, Zapporhizia and Kherson) AFTE ALL THE BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN SPILLED - T O T A L L Y U N N E C E S S A R I L Y on both sides IF Boris johnson had not stopped Ukraine from signing the agreement.
@@wolfswinkel8906 It is Russia which created Putin,not the opposte. Russia is always more or less the same. Excuses are excuses. Bully's logic is well known. "You made me do this" victim blaming.
Because Cuba does not have Russian missiles. And America has had sanctions on this poor little country since Castro took control of the island. Do again you don’t know history.
I suspect Farage is correct. But I suppose the reasonable counter-argument would be that actually, Putin always wanted to invade Ukraine. And surrendering to his demands would only have encouraged him to move more quickly, and leave us less prepared.
@redblacktichy. That's all you could manage -- a bare statement to counter facts and reasoned argument? What a poor showing. I'd say "provoked" is too mild a term to describe western action. Russians saw barbarians at the gates, and they were compelled to act. Nuclear missiles stationed in Ukraine could reach Moscow in 6 minutes. Putin had no intention of allowing NATO to give him 6 minutes to decide whether end the world. Neither would he want future Russian presidents to be given such a short notice. I have writen at length on the legitimacy of the Russian speakimg regions to break away in 2014, and their consequential right to ask Russia for help. But nowadays, UT has been censoring me severely, and so I'd leave this matter at that for now.
That guest trying to single out putin for blame is not being truthful. Putin speaks for the Russians and majority of the Russians supports what he is doing. Some even blame him for being too soft with the West.
Yes. The BBC interviewed British security staff during the coup of 2014 in Ukraine. It was broadcast mid morning on Radio 4. Then buried. We are not exactly the good guys.
If u whatch the documentaries or reports on bbc or al jazeera from that years regarding conflict in donbass or ukraine nazi problem,u fi d different optics from what they saying today
Nothing happens in a vacuum. The EU's Katherine Ashton was campaigning in Ukraine's general election urging them to vote for the pro-EU candidate. Imagine the EU campaigning in the UK to vote for a particular political party. Imagine the Russians or Chinese being in the US's sphere of influence of Puerto Rico and how the US would react. We contributed to this mess.
Meanwhile, Russia carried out an assassination attempt of the guy standing against their preferred presidential candidate. Imagine Russia assassinating the candidate in a UK election that you want to vote for. Also, Russia no longer has a sphere of influence in Ukraine.
@@nickthepostpunk5766 I would respond to you in full but youtube is hiding my comments (there is an asymmetry in people spreading misinformation, utterly ridiculous 🤦♂). Russia has no legitimacy. They failed to creating compelling alternatives to EU / NATO, evidenced by their need to invade their neighbours. EU / NATO only expanded east because countries joined SEEKING PROTECTION FROM RUSSIA. Indeed nothing happens in a vacuum which is why Russia's neighbours want nothing to do with Russia.
@@nickthepostpunk5766 I can't respond to you with any substance because UA-cam hides my comments. This is the platform we're on, there is no freedom of expression, it's all artificial here.
The US is not really interested in war either, they didn't want it. The Russian demands that arose during the peace talks in Istanbul were just as unacceptable to the Ukrainian leadership as Putin's current peace conditions. There was no chance of making peace in 2022, Putin wanted too much. Rather, Zelensky should have sought to avoid war with Russia. The Minsk agreement should have been implemented and NATO accession removed from the Ukrainian constitution. With this, they could have expressed their desire for reconciliation towards Russia and Ukraine would not have lost anything.
How utterly unprofessional to open up without specifying what the comments of Mr Farage were or showing us what they were. Call yourselves journalists?
Like the rest of the British gutter media, they've been shilling for Ukraine and warmongering against Russia from day one. Scoundrels, the lot of them.
I agree, what is this trying to achieve. Farage is just trying to get some press from anyone who doesn’t know history, trying to make himself sound knowledgeable, and you, the spectator are doing pretty much yourself, the interviewer is way out of her depth with these two men. It’s like tiktok vs an encyclopaedia.
Back in the old days you had Labour and Conservative. Labour tended to be a bit more peaceknik-y and wanted to avoid war a bit too much. The Conservatives were the opposite - a bit too keen on the military, NATO etc. Both had their allied media outlets and both were pretty sane. The average Conservative thought that having a military might come in handy but didn't want WW3. Labour were a bit more skeptical but would come onside if the shit hit the fan. Of course each had a few crazies who either wanted WW3 (Con) or unilateral disarmament (Lab). However it wasn't too bad. E.g. Michael Foot backed Thatcher in the Falklands War despite being pretty far left and Thatcher only took military action after a lot of soul searching. There was, in retrospect, no real chance the West would either turn the Cold War hot and kill everyone or adopt unilateral disarmament and let the commies overrun it. Now if you don't support immediate war with Russia which even the most hawkish person can see is very likely to escalate into nuclear armageddon you're a Vladolf Putler stooge and a traitor and need to be at best censored off all media and at worst Gonzalo Lira'd.
Do some research, Spectator. The governments of East Ukraine, the Donbas region, asked Russian forces to come in and help them defend themselves against Kiev forces which were shelling Donbas and amassing along the border: it was clear they were getting ready to attack East Ukraine.....Again!
@@alanharwood1636 Its a matter of public record - all of it. Kiev even admits it themselves. If you did what the rest of us did - your own research instead of sitting there listening to the same people who told you Iraq had WMDs, you wouldn't be in the rut of doing nothing and waiting for people to spoon-feed you. The fact that you still believe the people who fooled you over Iraq is shocking, but that's up to you to deal with, not for me to spoon-feed you.
@@Blanka1100 NATO is a money laundering operation for the elites in the countries who join it. It is also a smuggling operation as the host countries do not inspect NATO flights between bases. Civilian authorities in NATO countries have no ability to inspect NATO facilities. NATO is an non-democratic authoritarian military overlay to the democratic countries who join it where the citizens don't get to vote on anything NATO does or anyone in the NATO command structure. So where has Russia expanded? It has only been involved with countries on its own border or inside it's country. The US border is thousands of miles away from either Europe, Ukraine or Taiwan for that matter. It's the US/NATO/EU that expands and uses fear tactics, bribery, sanctions, and military force to achieve it's imperialistic ambitions. The EU is an authoritarian org that is not democratic. It misleads people and interferes in their internal affairs from immigration to their traditional values. This is all clear as day.
@@Blanka1100 NATO is a money laundering operation for the elites in the countries who join it. It is also a smuggling operation as the host countries do not inspect NATO flights between bases.
@@Blanka1100 I keep trying to comment about what I know about NATO and those comments keep getting deleted by UA-cam algorithm. Shows you what NATO really is and how the elites don't want anyone to know what it really is.
Farage made a genuine point that we provoked the war, but also that Putin is responsible for his action and must be resisted. This is an important part of an informed democratic debate. What is deeply disturbing is the line taken by the conliblab consensus leaders that this shouldn't be talked about. Perhaps if we were in a total war and civilian morale needed managing as in ww2 if might be ok, but we are not in total war and are supposed to be a fully functioning democracy. Who will hold the conliblab leaders to account for undermining democracy by trying to silence voices they find uncomfortable with feined and false moral condemnation instead of nuanced debate and counter points.?
When Putin needs a war, he needs no provocation, he finds one or creates one. That whole series of his "small victorious wars" was to tighten his grip on Russia. Starting with the 2nd Chechen war.
@@Blanka1100 Careful, or you'll be accused of mindlessly repeating the "corporate press" narrative, just as it happened to me. Ohmy, how devastated I am now...
Russia, the United State, NATO, Israel, in fact all great powers are bullies. Nothing Russia is doing today that hasn't been done by the aforementioned entities. There is just no righteous way to wield power. As regard this conflict, it's either it ends in a negotiated settlement or a full out war. I am not going to kill or die for anyone's interest.
Why is there such an omerta of silence and an absolute refusal to allow the narrative to be questioned? Because upon inspection the rational to push Ukraine into NATO falls apart and it becomes clear the balme for this war lies with NATO and particularly the Biden administration
Us citizen here under the Usurpers since JFK was taken out. We see it here in the US too, we know its bs and God help us, we can't figure put how to reign in this government.
Pretty rich that the Spectator is hosting this 'debate' without outlining what Farage actually said Particularly when its rather glib Editor dismissed Farage's observation out of hand as abhorrent. I couldn't see what was abhorrent it then and nothing here is shedding any light on that.
Sergey started by saying : Putin should've negotiated with the West as if Putin didn't literally contact the US and The EU and requested negotiations about a whole security framework in Europe since November 2021 and all he received was utter rejection and even threats of what will happen to Russia if he dared to invade.
And the US invaded the Dominican Republic, Grenada, when a hostile government appeared to be forming. The great powers typically do not tolerate the establishment of hostile governments in their sphere of interest and the intrusion of rival great powers.
US invade almost All LatinAmerican countries, some of the, More than once. thats why United States statements against Russia are so hypocritical. even now, ¿dont you remember how Donald Trump used all his power to destroy Venezuela´s goberment on 2019?
Does it matter which excuse dictaors chose in the end? Putin invaded because he could and wanted to. Nato has nothing to do with it. Ukraine is not even Nato country and had zero chance to join in decades to come.
Thought better of the Spectator, Farage did not claim Nato provocation was the sole reason for Putin's invasion. He openly said it was only one factor and yet this debate is framed as though he did. The narrative that Farage think it is the only reason is reinforced several times with no correction by the host.
Typical of the Western media of late. I was raised and born in one of the people's republics in the East of Europe. Never believed that the commie propagit about decadent, corrupt and war mongering West was true. Last few decades shocks me a bit that this old propaganda becomes more and more true by the day.
Yes! We need to be able to have a realistic debate (tell the public the truth) about the nuclear armed superpower who will not tolerate NATO within artillery range of Moscow
It's true, Soviet leadership was criminally naive taking west's word about NATO not expanding east. But that doesn't change the fact that NATO have been expanding east ever since, to the very Russian border. So, to say that they should have kept negotiating is making no sense. The US did literally everything for this war to happen and to keep on going!
Because Russia is a terrible neighbor which loves making mess in eastern Europe. Nato does not expand by force. Countries apply in order to be safe from Russia's aggression. Eastern Europe knows Russia and has no trust for a reason. Russia will never change. Ukraine is not even Nato member. It if was, Putin would not invade. He invaded because he could invade non Nato Ukraine. He wants Ukraine.
Answer one question for me.Why do you think the countries around Russia want to join Nato,it is simple.Putin is either attacking them or threatening them and that is why they want to join Nato that is a fact Jack.
it's really not up for debate. look at NATO expansion since German reunification and imagine how we would react if the Warsaw Pact expanded west with such aggression.
I dunno, perhaps i'd express no concern when it happened again, doubling the border nato shares with my country while demilitarising the border with one of the states that just joined nato. The move of a man who feels threatened by nato. Nato expansion was fairly open and happened with continuous dialogue with russia. Russia was never concerned with nato as a threat, yeltsin was discussing joining nato itself, putin laughed it off as unnecessary when he came to power. Russias issue with nato expansion is and has been since the 90's a combination of two things. A open display of the deterioration of russian power and a check against russian aggression to bully what it refers to as the 'near abroad'. Farage may have been right to say that expansion gave putin a boogieman to spook his people with but its exactly that, a contrivance. Putin wasnt threatened by the idea of ukraine joining nato or the eu, he was pissed off that ukraine wouldnt be bulliable by russia if that happened.
You say it's not up for debate, and then follow up with some imagined hypothetical about the Warsaw pact expanding westwards. That's not an argument. We don't live in an alterative universe where NATO collapsed. It's completely ironic for you to say "It's not up for debate" if you think you can draw conclusions from a hypothetical. Let's suppose we did live in your hypothetical universe, and Scotland was trying to join the Warsaw pact. Europe had been at relative peace for many decades. And your great idea is to invade Scotland and level it with millions of tons of artillery. Taking tens of thousands of lives and reducing cities to rubble. I'm sorry but I missed the part when I'm supposed to feel sympathetic.
@@robertbones326 We don’t need to hypothesise because it did happen. The Iron Curtain was literally a halt to Soviet expansion and also The Cuban Missile Crisis shows how we would react. And yes if Scotland did want to join the Warsaw we absolutely would invade Scotland if you deny this you are delusional.
@@JD19XX We permitted and supported a Scottish independence referendum in 2014. We also devolved power to Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland under the New Labour government. You claiming the UK would invade Scotland in some hypothetical alternative universe is irrelevant. You're really bad at debate.
All russian neighbour counties from aric to black sea was attacked by russia at beggining of ww2, and aftermath all eastern europe coutries were ocupied by russia/ussr. All of them run to nato so not to be again ocupied by russia.
Glenn Diesen has it all, if you really analyse Putin's reasonings and foreign policy's decisions you will easily conclude how careful and consequencial he has been for decades. It's absolutely clear the set of provocations from the US and NATO. If Farage said that, he made a logical and important point regardless of his domestic policy stupid views. One that all of us should carefully look at because that's the only foreseeable path to enduring peace and security in Europe.
Glenn Diesen, what a rarity, the Scandinavian scholar is not on grants from the pro-"Atlantic", or rather, pro-NATO think tanks, not like most speakers on this topic in Western European MSM. Very knowledgeable, correct, convincing.
I support Ukraine’s right to defend itself but I believe Farage had a point. NATO was supposed to be a defence against the old Soviet Union but it hasn’t existed in 30 years 🤔
Russia proved not to turn into a peaceful neighbor and Eastern European countries know Russia has a break only. Russia will never change. Stop being naive.
Not quite. NATO's main purpose was always to be a defence against the Russian imperialism - in whichever form it might come. In 1948-1991, that imperialism came in the form of the Soviet Union (aka Russian Empire 2.0), now it comes in the form of Russian Empire 3.0. But it's still Russian imperialism, and it's still aggressive and dangerous - as amply demonstrated by recent events. The ~10 years (in the 1990s), during which Russia was peaceful with respect to its neighbours, was a short and highly unusual historical aberration that had temporarily paused the 450-year span of a non-stop Russian imperialist expansion. Alas, that pause didn't last very long.
@@andyeasy3320 Definitely something worth remembering...especially as Nuland actually received a promotion when appointed by the Biden administration. Just a very small correction though, it was for the office of Prime Minister rather than President.
@@curiositycloset2359when they say Ukraine is fighting for “independence” that is Orwellian for becoming another U.S. vassal regime. That’s fine but just be upfront and clear about it.
There are specific reasons, Russia acted, how, and when they did. As both poroshenko and merkel pointed out, the kiev regime were building up and training troops, whilst continously shelling areas in Donbass, instead of honouring the Minsk agreements. Eventually the troops were amassed at the Donbass borders and by the beginning of Febuary 2022 seizefire violations grew exponentially, as reported by the OSCE. The intention was to storm through Donbass and retake Crimea.
Note it, how Glenn draws on endless references, whilst Sergei talks mostly based on his opinion, which is conveniently aligned with the mainstream narrative. You'd a historian would be more source-based.
This Sergey guy is disingenuous. Russia sent request to NATO in 2021 for negotiation but was ignored by NATO. Will America allow Mexico to enter military alliance with China? We are all victims of geography.
@@redblacktichy7713 Guess you read about Cuba Missile crisis. The last I check, Cuba was not part of Warsaw Pact which was led by USSR; the then rival of NATO. Democratically elected President of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 not by Russia but by the west. Don't America influence Canada?.
Russia sent a demand in December 2021 for NATO to withdraw from all of Eastern Europe. This was of course a non-starter. Russia repeated this condition in its recent offer of "peace talks".
There are people with common sense,like Glenn Diessen and there are people that owe their living and livelihood to their masters ,like this Radchenko guy, Ukraine was already working on modifications on Ukrainian ports in order to receive US warships, they had dozen CIA bases along the Sumy and Kharkov border ,if US hadn't any aggressive intentions why they didn't build those bases on the polish border?!😅 Putin has done was everyone of this guy's masters would have done in second one , confronted with a similar situation.
EVERYBODY should ask themselves this simple question. Does your wish for Ukraine to remain sovereign, outweigh your wish to avert WWIII, and nuclear holocaust? We should all be very concerned right now. Russia cannot lose this war in Ukraine, as this means the end of the regime. They will not tolerate this, we are dealing with a nuclear power. Do people really realise what a precipice we are on? The stakes could not be higher and Farage is right, there simply has to be peace talks, anything else literally risks all.
my question is :do we have to tolerate the Ukraine's ambition of becoming NATO member WITH ANY PRICE?Do have Ukraine the right to ask us to risk a nuclear war just because she want to be in NATO? I think ,in final,Russia could accept NATO's membership for Ukraine (West Ukraine or Galicina) if USA will accept Russian,korean and chinese bases in Texas or Florida and UK will accept such bases in Scotland and Northern Ireland
Sergey presented the issue as a countries right to chose its alliance. That was disingenuous. The issue is the US purposeful expansion of NATO to facilitate the provisioning of American nuclear weapons within a couple of minutes flight time from Moscow etc. In any case it does not matter what we think, it is what the Russian leadership thinks is what matters.
Macron was recently calling NATO "brain dead". NATO was no threat to anyone in Russia, and all Russians knew it. All rich Russians kept their wealth and families in NATO or other Western countries (like Switzerland). The threat was of a democratic Ukraine to *Putin*, which became clear in the 2011 Bolotnaya protests in Moscow.
Finland has the biggest land border with Russia. Poland borders Russia, Lithiania borders Russia but Putin decided to invade NON NATO country of Ukraine which had zero chance to join in decades to come. Nato is an excuse. He wants Ukraine to become a part of Russia. It is about Putin's sick legacy.
Ukraine war remains me Iraq invasion by US under false justification, Russia at least has a point in not wanting the encirclement by NATO (US) on its borders.Few people comment or know about the origin or cause of Russia invasion, which is the continued encirclement of Russia by NATO (US) on ex USSR republics. How people expect for Russia not to defend its border from the continuous encroaching of US? What would US do in a hypothetical situation in which Russia or China start building bases on its borders? Remember the Cuban missile crisis?
If Rusia does not like Nato at her borders Russia should stop giving countries around her good reasons to join.Putin invaded NON NATO country because he could and because for him Ukraine is "not real". Nato has nothing to do with Putin's greed. It is about his sick legacy. He wants Ukraine.
Answer one question for me.Why do you think all the countries around Russia want to join Nato,it is very simple.The fact is Putin is either attacking neighbors or threatening them that is the reason for Nato expansion around Russia and that my friend is a fact Jack.
I am in Moscow now for a few weeks. I lived here for 4 years and unfortunately left in early 2020. The vast majority of Russians who I speak to .. 90%+ support Putin and Russias actions in Ukraine. I encourage “experts” to come to Russia and speak to ordinary people and then give an expert opinion.
The Spectator should have been asking critical questions years ago. Perhaps if the media had been more honest then we would not be part of such a dreadful war and the threat of Armageddon.
I have seen and heard that Zelenskyj tried to follow the Minsk agreement, but after death threats from Banderas and that the US was opposed to the agreement, Zelenskyj was forced to break the agreement. Why was the US/NATO opposed to the peace draft in Istanbul in the spring of 2022 that the parties accepted? We also know that the Russian troops who went to Kiev aimed to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, and they succeeded. Unfortunately NATO was opposed to peace then as now when Ukraine probably has over 600,000 dead military. Everything unnecessarily that could be solved if the US/NATO wanted to take the security of the Russian government seriously. Back in 2008, the then US ambassador William Burns wrote in a letter njet means njet after talking to all the political leaders in Russia about NATO in Ukraine.
If in doubt of how we arrived at this sorry pass, ask Professor John Mearshimer, or the various ambassadors to Russia. Ever since the reunification of Germany (where we assured the Soviets that we would not expand NATO eastward in recognition of their acceding to German reunification. It all started decades ago, not in the 2020’s.
There is no paper signed not to expand Nato east and bs small talk means nothng so stop complaing. And who is Russia to decide about act choices of Poland, Baltic States, Romania, Ukraine and so on? It is not soviet backyard anymore. Get over it. Putin wants Ukraine as a part of Russia and he blames Russia's victims for calling the police because they were fed up with being abused.
"The goal is NOT to win these wars. The goal is to use the wars to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States and out of the tax bases of European countries and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. THAT is the goal. To have ENDLESS wars, NOT SUCCESSFUL wars." ~ Julian Assange ~ Stop the War Interview - 8 October 2011 This ends this argument ........
Farage is right. Absolute provocation. What a price Ukraine has paid for " sovereignty " ! Put a foreign military or naval base in Cuba or Mexico, then watch what America does. Have we forgotten Cuba in 1962 ?
@@Happy747Piloteven Merkel admitted the Ukraine already became “de facto” NATO member. And membership was pushed hard since 2008 onwards (Nuland, Bush Jnr, etc). John McCain and Lindsay Graham were in Ukraine and funding, training, arming Ukraine, via CIA. Military and civilian shell organisations like the NED to help overthrow yanukovich. Nuland was telling the EU to fk itself while she and colleagues debated who to install as new Ukrainian leader. It’s all out there recorded fact if you care to be bothered to do any proper research.
@@Happy747Pilot CIA had a dozen secret bases in Ukr ore 2022, on the border with Russia and conducting operations over the border, as detailed in the New York Times article "The Spy War". After 2014, obviously, because they could only do this after their coup.
Eastern European here....most of my compatriots sees Nato like a mafia gang we need to pay protection tax....being sandwiched between big powers is a uncomfortable position
Why don‘t you vote for a political party, which frees you from both powers, become an Eastern Switzerland. But I don’t know many Eastern Europeans, who agree with you. After the wall came down they very much wanted to be part of NATO, because they had a not too comfortable past with Russia.
@stephaniesurface8761 with soviet union yes not with russia...most of people too blind to see what s America about this days....creating enemies to feed he's industrial military complex
Do your compatriots know _anything_ at all about NATO? Because you don't pay NATO anything. Its an alliance. You'd likely be having to spend a whole lot more on defense if you weren't a member lol
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 cleanly you don't have any ideea how Nato works...beeing a member u are required to spend minimum 2% of ur gdp on military and I think would be 3 next year....all equipment would be nato standard...guess who producing that equipment....really many comments here are done by brainless sheeps. In regard to spending...world would be a better world without neo con warmongers...look who's behind most of the conflicts after 90'
All the pleas by Putin to Nato were answered with a "it is none of your business". Ucraine had military exercises by Nato for three years prior to 2022. Get real!
Answer me one question.Why do you think all the countries around Russia want to join Nato it is simple.Putin is either attacking his neighbors or threatening them and that is why they want to join Nato.
The other gentleman thinks because he is from that region therefore he has the right analysis but clearly he speaks from a western bias and is in denial of the facts more like he has personal issues that skew his ability to debate well.
I don't like Farage but he's right on this one point. He may be right on a few others, but from my pov he's mostly not right. And, did I say, I don't like him.
So let me get this straight? When Israel annexes the Golen heights and the international community doesn't blink an eye, that's fine? However, if Russia doesn't want NATO and it's nuclear missiles on its border in the form of Ukrainian NATO membership and invades that land, that's worth risking total nuclear annihilation because only certain countries can annex land in the international community? (Serbia anyone?!?) Other than Europe and North America, the rest of the world sees the hypocrisy of NATO and its deference towards the extreme right-wing government of Israel while provoking the Russians for 20 years of NATO expansion. This is how world wars happen......
Not really. Not when you can't stomach any of those on offer. I'm really struggling with the offering this time around. ☺ Oh, and I'm with travis on this one.
That guy sergey is a complete liar! NATO was training ukraninan troops for over 8 year prior the invasion! They trained about 10 000 soldiers per year! By 2022 that created one formidable army of about 80 000, well equipped and trained to fight Russia (all by the way wiped out already). Also he said that Russia could have negotiated with the west...... they tried!!!! Russia sent letters to washington and nato headquarter with proposal for negotiations at the end of 2021. The west said f off.....Russia had no other choice but to react to this!
I think the real problem was build up of the Ukrainian forces in the East 2021 after the resolution of the Ukrainian gov. the same year to get back the lost areas by force. Increase shelling of Donbas at the end of 2021 and beginning of 2022 was pointing into this direction. Maybe it was only provocation but then you have it. 14.000 people of which most were ethnic Russians were killed between the coup 2014 and 2022. Nobody among the Western political elites cared about that. I also think that if Putin ignored that they would continue along the very long Russian border and inside of it too (Chechen wars come to mind). Seeing this the Russian gov. decided to do something about it. It is how I see it.
thank you. now i don't have to right this
Rather than wasting money on Ukraine, the UK should spend money on Britain to improve roads, health service other infrastructure.
@shakyabhattacharjee9100 not poseble... Bomb mony is in diferent pocked. You just need to admit that NHS must be privatised...
US ambassador to Russia, William Burns in a memo in 2008:
"Ukraine and Georgia’s NATO aspirations not only touch a raw nerve in Russia, they engender serious concerns about the consequences for stability in the region. Not only does Russia perceive encirclement, and efforts to undermine Russia’s influence in the region, but it also fears unpredictable and uncontrolled consequences which would seriously affect Russian security interests. Experts tell us that Russia is particularly worried that the strong divisions in Ukraine over NATO membership, with much of the ethnic-Russian community against membership, could lead to a major split, involving violence or at worst, civil war. In that eventuality, Russia would have to decide whether to intervene; a decision Russia does not want to have to face."
Until the Russians invaded and now the majority of Russian Ukranians back Ukraine. This is especially true of the younger generations than those who grew up in the USSR granted.
@@aidy6000 bet you fell for the NeoCon propaganda about Iraqi WMD.
Ukraine destroyed itself with the NeoCon/ Victoria Nuland backed coup.
This is just another NeoCon disaster like Syria Libya Iraq and Afghanistan.
No more NeoCon wars!
I'm pretty sure that memo was leaked by Assange, it was meant to be classified. Assange then spent 14 years in confinement for daring to publish the truth. Western values.
@@aidy6000 what is the cost in Ukraine today of openly supporting Russia?
And we only have access to this memo because of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks
Also l think everyone is ignoring the fact is Putin is loved in Russia, the Russian people see the west as the aggressors and are all prepared to fight to protect the motherland……. I am an Australian and my colleagues all see the West at fault.
Putin stop attacking neighbors and threatening them and they want be wanting to join Nato.Putin all this mess is your fault you have brainwashed the people of Russia.
To S. Radchenko - I don't know why you could not see the escalation coming while you were in Moscow in 2022, when I could see it coming, while being in London, since the moment Russia gave the US their ultimatum about Ukraine and NATO in the second half of 2021.
How is this even a question? Anyone with any knowledge of the situation has been saying this for years. Ukraine has just been the conclusion to moves that go back well over a decade.
Anyone with decent knowledge knows it's much much more complex, and even Putin during Tucker's interview wasn't making it to be the main, or certainly the sole factor
And whole thing about NATO expansionism and West ''provocation''... it doesn't explain a lot of things. It doesn't explain why Russia is going through occupied territories, extinguishing any and all signs of Ukrainian language, heritage and legacy. Why it's actively persecuting Ukrainian speakers. It doesn't explain why Russia swallowed Finnish and Swedish membership. It doesn't explain why Putin likens himself to Peter the Great and his (re)conquests.
The idea that difficulties in Russo-Ukrainian relationship began in 2014 is a bit like stating that the difficulties in Irish-English relations began on Bloody Sunday.
In both cases there's centuries long, long history of passions, blood feuds, betrayals, promises and broken treaties.
Exactly. But The Narrative demands adherence to the evidence-free view that Putin is bent on erasing Ukraine restoring the Soviet Empire or even all of Western Europe. Of course, Sergey accuses Glenn of parroting Putin talking points. Such an ad hominem attack is a marker of a weak argument. It just so happens that those so-called talking points correspond more closely to historical reality than the propaganda disseminated throughout the MSM.
If Ukraine was already in NATO, Russia wouldn't have carried it its territorial war of conquest. The provocation was to for the West not to have given Ukrainian membership and not to have armed Ukraine to the teeth.
After the collapse of the USSR the purpose of NATO was made irrelevant. And yet NATO went on an Eastern expansion mode - bizarre❗️Asking for a retaliation no doubt.
nothing bizzare.NATO is a instrument used by yankees in their own interests.And US interests is to be the global hegemon .So US use NATO to break the legs of any potential competitor .Sometimes even the members of their team must be put back on their place.Russia,China,EU now.Tomorrow,maybe,will have to stop UK from becoming to strong.
Agreed
Really? Then why has the UNSC turned to it on several occasions to intervene?
NATO is now the UN's enforcement mechanism because it is the best multinational integration of democratic military forces.
@@dannyarcher6370 The UN? The UNSC⁉️ Seriously‼️
@@gopalramanathan7062 End your ignorance and go and read up on how NATO got involved in Bosnia, Libya and Afghanistan post the US-led invasion. They were all sanctioned by the UNSC. Sorry to burst your anti-interventionist bubble, buddy.
Why Mr Radchenko is not talking about 14000 who were killed by Ukrainian military forces between 2014 and 2021?
Why he is not talking about Minsk 2 which was sabotaged by Kiev regime?
Because it never happened.
@@alanharwood1636 Yeah, keeping himself in an echo chamber and demising any facts from the outside is much easer.
@@alanharwood1636 You smoke too much of a weed :)
@@alanharwood1636 your statement is based on absolutely on nothing
@@alanharwood1636 foreigners who observed Ukrainian aggression against civilians are also all lying?
Radchenko is way out of his depth. Spouting Zelensky's lies from the comfort of a western place , hiding from mobilisation, disgraceful
I'm from that region. Radchenko was telling the truth, not "spouting Zelensky's lies".
@@gintasvilkelis2544 you are both wrong, NATO did in fact provoke the conflict and every event and communication leading up to this proofs that. You can cope and seethe all you want but that's the reality
@@askeladd60that's measurably not the case
@@mrg7405 which is why your side needs to suppress that information and label it a security threat while cowering at the thought anyone might say it?
@ClubofInfo-Circulation no one needs to supress information to show that Russia is the aggressor here
I’m stunned we are debating whether potentially having Ukraine join NATO was a provocation to Russian or not.
Especially when that would be such a provocation that if anything would force the Russians to use their nuclear weapons, that would be it, that would be the thing.
American Nuclear weapons 5 minutes from Moscow is the issue. Ukraine politicts/gov/military are infested with Neo Nazis. If you think it's not a threat you're living in cloud cuckoo land.
Yes, even the head of NATO has conceded that Ukraine joining NATO was a provacation to Russia. Putin warned Bush in 2009 that his plans to let Ukraine and Georgia join NATO posed an existential threat to Russia. Russia experts such as Stephen F Cohen released a book called "War With Russia?" In 2018 which warned that NATO expansion right up to Russia's borders would precipitate war. There's no need for debate.
Well done Glen Diesen
From 1991 to 2014 Ukraine and Russia were able to live peacefully. What changed is Washington inserted itself between them, despite knowing it would infuriate Moscow and potentially provoke military conflict. Moscow is of course responsible for its own actions. But this war wouldn't be happening if Washington had been content to maintain a careful distance. They were warned repeatedly from within and without what would happen if they tried to get between Ukraine and Russia, but they went ahead and did it anyway. The country that is paying the highest price for this decision is Ukraine, and that is unlikely to change.
Well, Ukrainians preferred a non-Russian controlled government. Agreed, that's what enraged Putin, so he went on to "liberate" them from themselves. Standard Russian behaviour, to liberate people into Russian domination.
Thats not true at all. Russia was busying itself assassinating Ukrainian candidates who stood against their preferred puppet, and hiking energy prices in order to browbeat Ukraine into submission. And how do you explain Putin's insistence that Ukraine isn't even an independent country, but part of Russia? You just going to ignore that? Or do you think if Washington didn't exist, he would suddenly recognize Ukrainian sovereignty?
@@jenniferlawrence2701 HI, this is not right. There were plenty of tensions between them. Crimea was always a sensitive point.
Agreed@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647 Theres tension between USA and Cuba- still insane if Putin parks his stuff in Cuba. As an American, I am SICK TO DEATH of the hypocrisy.
Boris Johnson must be held accountable
_Putin_ should be held accountable.
@gintasvilkelis2544 you should start reading something other then CNN and like😂😂😂
@@Treasure_hunter_21 I don't follow CNN. I live in this part of the world, and most of my news sources are much closer to where these events are taking place.
In contrast, what you are doing, is unwittingly parroting the Russian propaganda narrative - without being aware that this is what you are doing.
Completely agree, as well as the EU guarantors of the maidan deal. As well as Nuland, Macron etc
@gintasvilkelis2544 Your mom should be held accountable for having an idiot child
Farage simply said that it was a provocation. That doesn’t mean he’s justifying Putin’s actions and in fact he has condemned them. Grow up and report the FACTS!
He WAS was justifying Putin. The rest was Farage backtracking because he saw what a vote loser it was. Grow up yourself. Acquire a little integrity and common sense.
@simonkramer9463……the word ‘provocation’ in this specific context is still, even when aired by Farage, is completely incorrect. NATO has very firm rules regarding embracing any additional country who applies for a place with it. As Radchenko says, the Ukraine is STILL to be regarded as a potentially legitimate country for admittance most especially in the light of the ongoing annexation. If there was a true concern that by Ukraine’s membership NATO felt more secure then that would be the way to go and that would include dealing with Russia’s tendency to territorial paranoia. NATO I believe continues to feel comfortably secure with its current ‘borders’ dividing the West from the East, a division nonetheless which is by its nature not very helpful.
Forage wrong
npc: forage man bad.
Well to be serious that guest needs to go study the war again
I would say that if Nato provoked an invasion by Russia, as nato clearly did as shown by all the facts, then the provoker is responsible for causing the invasion and to blame for all the consequences, not Russia who nato provoked. So i would disagree on that point with Farage.
I should also point out that Nato REFUSED to negotiate with Russia on Ukraine's neutrality, saying it was not Russia's business who Nato invited to join. Nato ruled out diplomacy and has continued to rule out any diplomacy with Russia demanding only a complete withdrawal which nato nato's knows is unachievable. This is nato's war and ukraine is their victim. as ukraine is being steadily destroyed.
Glen has arguments, the other guys has babble and bluster.
Your opinion... meh
Exactly. Obviously the guy is a rebel Russian who’s now wants to prove more “British” than the British themselves.
The Global South, where most of the world live, agree with Glenn. Sergey thinks Putin woke up one morning and, feeling bored, decided to invade Ukraine. When he said the special military operation was only Putin's idea, I immediately knew he was not worth listening to. The Russian nation saw barbarians at the gates, and knew collectively what must be done to deal wirh the existential threat.
@@gopalramanathan7062He is one of the usual suspects. Born in the Soviet Union but got educated (indoctrinated) in Western countries. LSE and Kissinger Think tank tells me all i need to know.
The guy is publishing at the spectator, why would you make this seem like a discussion which needs a moderator ? 2 people belong to the spectator
@@gopalramanathan7062His surname is Ukrainian so this would explain his point of view, regardless of the fact that his arguments rely on the people not knowing the full story beyond the western narrative.
Ok personally think Farage has made a valid point . Should people actually read what he said.
Nobody wants to listen to or read what Farage has actually said. Opinions have been formed already, and the jury on Farage reached their verdict long ago. They're not budging. Personally I think he was absolutely correct, but most people would far rather smear him for his views on immigration than actually engage with his views on other issues.
It's what Farage is NOT SAYING is the issue.
He has adopted a position of appeasement by enabling and blaming the West for Russia's actions.
We are talking about a nation which invaded Georgia unprovoked, used Novichok against a Brit on our own soil in bright daylight in public, cut of the ear / electrocuted privates of terrorists to get them to confess (it doesn't matter what they did, this is barbarism) and weaponises migrants by sending them to the Finnish / Polish borders.
It's popular for Russian sympathisers to blame the west for the expansion of NATO, when we're NOT INVADING those countries, those COUNTRIES ARE JOINING US FOR PROTECTION AGAINST RUSSIA.
It is a failure of Russia to create a compelling alternative to NATO/EU, evidenced by their need to invade their neighbours. The have no legitimacy.
I was close to voting Reform but am repulsed by this stance. Russia is the antithesis of who we are and repeatedly behaved in a hostile way to us.
If you are pro British, you cannot appease Russia, we have nothing in common.
Why has UA-cam hidden by comment ? Literally impossible to communicate on this broken platform
He is Putin 's man.
He damaged UK with Brexit, financed by pro-russian oligarch, he will continue to destroy it by pushing Putina propaganda
It's a totally unrealistic view. Putin fear of Nato is just an excuse he uses to invade Ukraine. That Ukraine wants to protect itself against Russia does not fit with this 'Bully' Putin so he says Nato wants to threaten and invade Russia. Nigel Farage again has put up nonsensical argument. He may be spokes person for some people but he is deeply flawed in his decisions. Next he will get rid of NHS and offer Trump insurance business for new private health in UK-nightmare...🤣🤣🤣
Glenn’s argument-esp with reference to Burns and spheres of influence-seems to me decisive. You can’t have one rule for Russia and another for the US with respect to nuclear arsenals and launch to target timespans. (Cuba and Ukraine.)
Sergei Radchenko's style and 'substance' would have been an excellent fit for the US Presidential debate.
Yes, you don't have to be a mi5 or 6 agent to see it, this is all down to the Americans since 93 .
And the UK.
Imagine Scotland with Russian bases, airfields, nuclear capable missiles, bio-labs, FSB spy stations, Scapa Flow a Russian naval anchorage and then you know why Russia needs Ukraine neutral and out of NATO.
Putin wants neutral Ukraine because for Putin it means "Ukraine easy to overrun"
@@Blanka1100 are you Putin's mind reader?
@@Blanka1100this comment doesn't make sense. You either live in Putin's head or you're trying to paint a caricature.
@@Blanka1100 if Putin wanted to overrun Ukraine he could easily have done it when Donbas and Lugansk were starting to get bombed by Kiev's Asov battalions BECAUSE THOSE AREAS ASKED TO BECOME PART OF RUSSIA JUST LIKE CRIMEA BUT PUTIN INSTEAD worked out the Minsk agreement together with FR and GE and signed as legit by UN. G0 read my long comment somewhere else on this page. if you don't know what Minsk is about.
In fact, if Putin wanted the annex Ukraine onto russia he would have done it in 2014 because at that time Ukraine was not as strong militarily AND was not yet "totally hyped with hatred for russia" !
Also, iIMMEDIATELY after the Russian forces went into Ukraine, IN FACT THE VERY NEXT DAY, Putin already proposed negotiations which then went on and an agreement was nearly reached in Turkey in which Ukraine promised to stay neutral etc.....(Israeli previous President Naftali Bennett will tell you ) SO TOTALLY DISPROVING THAT RUSSIA WANTS TO ANNEX UKRAINE.......But who put a spoke in the wheel? Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and told Z not to sign, that russia was weak militarily and that the West was imposing massive sanctions which would cripple Russia to its knees and that the West would support Ukraine in whatever way come what may!.....SO WHO ARE THE REAL WARMONGERS??????????????
Now of course, there is NO WAY Russia will give up the Ukrainian areas that have voted to become part of Russia (Donbas, Lugansk, Zapporhizia and Kherson) AFTE ALL THE BLOOD THAT HAS BEEN SPILLED - T O T A L L Y
U N N E C E S S A R I L Y on both sides IF Boris johnson had not stopped Ukraine from signing the agreement.
@@wolfswinkel8906 It is Russia which created Putin,not the opposte. Russia is always more or less the same. Excuses are excuses. Bully's logic is well known. "You made me do this" victim blaming.
Farage is 100% right
nobody is 100% right, especially not an idiot like Farage.
Farage would blame Poland for provoking WWII. Every dictator needs excuses
Thanks for pointing out how he’s wrong 😂
Because Cuba does not have Russian missiles. And America has had sanctions on this poor little country since Castro took control of the island. Do again you don’t know history.
Putin wants Ukraine as a part of Russia. It is about his sick legacy. Ukraine is not even Nato country. Whataboutism is invalid here.
Any Doubt ? Nigel Farage Is Correct In His Analysis.
@@MaheshMahesh-gz9fv Not. NATO did not provoke Russia
I am afraid you don't know what you are talking about
I suspect Farage is correct. But I suppose the reasonable counter-argument would be that actually, Putin always wanted to invade Ukraine. And surrendering to his demands would only have encouraged him to move more quickly, and leave us less prepared.
@redblacktichy. That's all you could manage -- a bare statement to counter facts and reasoned argument? What a poor showing.
I'd say "provoked" is too mild a term to describe western action. Russians saw barbarians at the gates, and they were compelled to act. Nuclear missiles stationed in Ukraine could reach Moscow in 6 minutes. Putin had no intention of allowing NATO to give him 6 minutes to decide whether end the world. Neither would he want future Russian presidents to be given such a short notice.
I have writen at length on the legitimacy of the Russian speakimg regions to break away in 2014, and their consequential right to ask Russia for help. But nowadays, UT has been censoring me severely, and so I'd leave this matter at that for now.
None
That guest trying to single out putin for blame is not being truthful. Putin speaks for the Russians and majority of the Russians supports what he is doing. Some even blame him for being too soft with the West.
Yes. The BBC interviewed British security staff during the coup of 2014 in Ukraine. It was broadcast mid morning on Radio 4. Then buried. We are not exactly the good guys.
If u whatch the documentaries or reports on bbc or al jazeera from that years regarding conflict in donbass or ukraine nazi problem,u fi d different optics from what they saying today
All organised by the CIA to destabilise Ukraine.
We just don't have to the realy bad ones.
@@davidwestwater2219 are you kidding or just listening to the U.K. media
@@davidwestwater2219 Chagos islands ?
Nothing happens in a vacuum. The EU's Katherine Ashton was campaigning in Ukraine's general election urging them to vote for the pro-EU candidate. Imagine the EU campaigning in the UK to vote for a particular political party. Imagine the Russians or Chinese being in the US's sphere of influence of Puerto Rico and how the US would react. We contributed to this mess.
Imagine being Russia's neighbour and suffering centuries of abuse , then having plummy foreigners victim blame you for being invaded by Russia
@@moneymayhem2000 that doesn’t seem to undermine the point made that you are responding to.
Meanwhile, Russia carried out an assassination attempt of the guy standing against their preferred presidential candidate. Imagine Russia assassinating the candidate in a UK election that you want to vote for. Also, Russia no longer has a sphere of influence in Ukraine.
@@nickthepostpunk5766 I would respond to you in full but youtube is hiding my comments (there is an asymmetry in people spreading misinformation, utterly ridiculous 🤦♂). Russia has no legitimacy. They failed to creating compelling alternatives to EU / NATO, evidenced by their need to invade their neighbours. EU / NATO only expanded east because countries joined SEEKING PROTECTION FROM RUSSIA. Indeed nothing happens in a vacuum which is why Russia's neighbours want nothing to do with Russia.
@@nickthepostpunk5766 I can't respond to you with any substance because UA-cam hides my comments. This is the platform we're on, there is no freedom of expression, it's all artificial here.
Nigel Farage was right, he has been talking about this at EU Parliament prior to Brexit. He was ignored by arrogant EUcrats.
Glenn Diesen is correct. 👏 Zelenski should have made the agreement in 2022. But Unfortunaly US stopped it.
The US is not really interested in war either, they didn't want it. The Russian demands that arose during the peace talks in Istanbul were just as unacceptable to the Ukrainian leadership as Putin's current peace conditions. There was no chance of making peace in 2022, Putin wanted too much.
Rather, Zelensky should have sought to avoid war with Russia. The Minsk agreement should have been implemented and NATO accession removed from the Ukrainian constitution. With this, they could have expressed their desire for reconciliation towards Russia and Ukraine would not have lost anything.
How utterly unprofessional to open up without specifying what the comments of Mr Farage were or showing us what they were. Call yourselves journalists?
No journalism in this story
Like the rest of the British gutter media, they've been shilling for Ukraine and warmongering against Russia from day one. Scoundrels, the lot of them.
No such thing as Journalists anymore , they work for their masters
I agree, what is this trying to achieve. Farage is just trying to get some press from anyone who doesn’t know history, trying to make himself sound knowledgeable, and you, the spectator are doing pretty much yourself, the interviewer is way out of her depth with these two men. It’s like tiktok vs an encyclopaedia.
Back in the old days you had Labour and Conservative. Labour tended to be a bit more peaceknik-y and wanted to avoid war a bit too much. The Conservatives were the opposite - a bit too keen on the military, NATO etc. Both had their allied media outlets and both were pretty sane. The average Conservative thought that having a military might come in handy but didn't want WW3. Labour were a bit more skeptical but would come onside if the shit hit the fan. Of course each had a few crazies who either wanted WW3 (Con) or unilateral disarmament (Lab). However it wasn't too bad. E.g. Michael Foot backed Thatcher in the Falklands War despite being pretty far left and Thatcher only took military action after a lot of soul searching. There was, in retrospect, no real chance the West would either turn the Cold War hot and kill everyone or adopt unilateral disarmament and let the commies overrun it.
Now if you don't support immediate war with Russia which even the most hawkish person can see is very likely to escalate into nuclear armageddon you're a Vladolf Putler stooge and a traitor and need to be at best censored off all media and at worst Gonzalo Lira'd.
Do some research, Spectator. The governments of East Ukraine, the Donbas region, asked Russian forces to come in and help them defend themselves against Kiev forces which were shelling Donbas and amassing along the border: it was clear they were getting ready to attack East Ukraine.....Again!
Horseshit
Do you have any actual evidence to support that claim ?
@@alanharwood1636 Look for what Merkel said about the Minsk 2. They not even hiding it anymore.
@@alanharwood1636 Its a matter of public record - all of it. Kiev even admits it themselves. If you did what the rest of us did - your own research instead of sitting there listening to the same people who told you Iraq had WMDs, you wouldn't be in the rut of doing nothing and waiting for people to spoon-feed you. The fact that you still believe the people who fooled you over Iraq is shocking, but that's up to you to deal with, not for me to spoon-feed you.
@@jackspring7709 Lol, a lot of waffle but no actual evidence. Unsurprising.
It's not about Putin for one thing. And it's the US/NATO/EU who engages in imperialism.
Joining Nato is not made by force. Russia expands by force. Joining EU is something people voted for.
@@Blanka1100 NATO is a money laundering operation for the elites in the countries who join it. It is also a smuggling operation as the host countries do not inspect NATO flights between bases. Civilian authorities in NATO countries have no ability to inspect NATO facilities. NATO is an non-democratic authoritarian military overlay to the democratic countries who join it where the citizens don't get to vote on anything NATO does or anyone in the NATO command structure.
So where has Russia expanded? It has only been involved with countries on its own border or inside it's country. The US border is thousands of miles away from either Europe, Ukraine or Taiwan for that matter. It's the US/NATO/EU that expands and uses fear tactics, bribery, sanctions, and military force to achieve it's imperialistic ambitions. The EU is an authoritarian org that is not democratic. It misleads people and interferes in their internal affairs from immigration to their traditional values.
This is all clear as day.
@@Blanka1100 NATO is a money laundering operation for the elites in the countries who join it. It is also a smuggling operation as the host countries do not inspect NATO flights between bases.
@@Blanka1100 NATO is a money laundering operation for the elites in the countries who join it.
@@Blanka1100 I keep trying to comment about what I know about NATO and those comments keep getting deleted by UA-cam algorithm. Shows you what NATO really is and how the elites don't want anyone to know what it really is.
Yes of course Farage is right, John Mearscheimer has been saying this since 2015.
Farage made a genuine point that we provoked the war, but also that Putin is responsible for his action and must be resisted. This is an important part of an informed democratic debate. What is deeply disturbing is the line taken by the conliblab consensus leaders that this shouldn't be talked about. Perhaps if we were in a total war and civilian morale needed managing as in ww2 if might be ok, but we are not in total war and are supposed to be a fully functioning democracy. Who will hold the conliblab leaders to account for undermining democracy by trying to silence voices they find uncomfortable with feined and false moral condemnation instead of nuanced debate and counter points.?
When Putin needs a war, he needs no provocation, he finds one or creates one. That whole series of his "small victorious wars" was to tighten his grip on Russia. Starting with the 2nd Chechen war.
Every bully feels provoked and it does not matter which excuse Putin chose in the end.
@@Blanka1100 Careful, or you'll be accused of mindlessly repeating the "corporate press" narrative, just as it happened to me. Ohmy, how devastated I am now...
Russia, the United State, NATO, Israel, in fact all great powers are bullies. Nothing Russia is doing today that hasn't been done by the aforementioned entities. There is just no righteous way to wield power. As regard this conflict, it's either it ends in a negotiated settlement or a full out war. I am not going to kill or die for anyone's interest.
Why is there such an omerta of silence and an absolute refusal to allow the narrative to be questioned? Because upon inspection the rational to push Ukraine into NATO falls apart and it becomes clear the balme for this war lies with NATO and particularly the Biden administration
Its sad when telling a small part of the truth is labelled as 'controversial' in mainstream Western media.
History lesson: Russia "annexed" Crimea not in 2014 but in 1778 from the Ottoman Empire when the mere word 'ukraine' was not invented yet.
Farage is absolutely spot on! We all know it, so I cannot understand the uproar it has caused.
because it shatters to smithereens the entire Western narrative and the credibility of those pushing it
Us citizen here under the Usurpers since JFK was taken out. We see it here in the US too, we know its bs and God help us, we can't figure put how to reign in this government.
Pretty rich that the Spectator is hosting this 'debate' without outlining what Farage actually said
Particularly when its rather glib Editor dismissed Farage's observation out of hand as abhorrent. I couldn't see what was abhorrent it then and nothing here is shedding any light on that.
Sergey started by saying : Putin should've negotiated with the West as if Putin didn't literally contact the US and The EU and requested negotiations about a whole security framework in Europe since November 2021 and all he received was utter rejection and even threats of what will happen to Russia if he dared to invade.
The US DID try to invade Cuba, by proxy.
It's known as 'The Bay of Pigs'.
Proxy? It was straight up CIA operation.
That was before the Cuban missile crisis.
And the US invaded the Dominican Republic, Grenada, when a hostile government appeared to be forming. The great powers typically do not tolerate the establishment of hostile governments in their sphere of interest and the intrusion of rival great powers.
US invade almost All LatinAmerican countries, some of the, More than once.
thats why United States statements against Russia are so hypocritical.
even now, ¿dont you remember how Donald Trump used all his power to destroy Venezuela´s goberment on 2019?
And that's what caused the Cuban missile crisis.
Farage did not say it was NATO's fault, but that the expansion Eastwards provided Putin with an excuse (one among many). This is patently true.
'excuse' is for politeness sake. 'reason' is the truth of it.
Does it matter which excuse dictaors chose in the end? Putin invaded because he could and wanted to. Nato has nothing to do with it. Ukraine is not even Nato country and had zero chance to join in decades to come.
@@Blanka1100 Bay of Pigs. Look it up. Very nice this time of year.
It is NATO fault though.
the one who waid Nato-s Expantion will cause this war, wasnt Farage, But Bredzinsky, and Kissinger predicted that since 1990´s
Farage is correct on this
Professor John Mearsheimer (U Chicago) has eloquently explained it.
Thought better of the Spectator, Farage did not claim Nato provocation was the sole reason for Putin's invasion. He openly said it was only one factor and yet this debate is framed as though he did. The narrative that Farage think it is the only reason is reinforced several times with no correction by the host.
Typical of the Western media of late. I was raised and born in one of the people's republics in the East of Europe. Never believed that the commie propagit about decadent, corrupt and war mongering West was true. Last few decades shocks me a bit that this old propaganda becomes more and more true by the day.
Well, it is the only reason. 🤷♂️
Has Sergei not read US Monroe doctrine? Has he missed Granada invasion, Panama invasion, Nicaragua Contra war?
Yes! We need to be able to have a realistic debate (tell the public the truth) about the nuclear armed superpower who will not tolerate NATO within artillery range of Moscow
It's true, Soviet leadership was criminally naive taking west's word about NATO not expanding east. But that doesn't change the fact that NATO have been expanding east ever since, to the very Russian border. So, to say that they should have kept negotiating is making no sense. The US did literally everything for this war to happen and to keep on going!
Totally provoked, NATO is moving further and further east.
Because Russia is a terrible neighbor which loves making mess in eastern Europe. Nato does not expand by force. Countries apply in order to be safe from Russia's aggression. Eastern Europe knows Russia and has no trust for a reason. Russia will never change. Ukraine is not even Nato member. It if was, Putin would not invade. He invaded because he could invade non Nato Ukraine. He wants Ukraine.
Answer one question for me.Why do you think the countries around Russia want to join Nato,it is simple.Putin is either attacking them or threatening them and that is why they want to join Nato that is a fact Jack.
Radchenky should be confronted with Irak, Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, Lybia, to begin with.
To invite an Ukrainian was a waste of time , the gentleman is absolutely non-objective … he is reading from „a note“ printed in Zelemsky‘s office
it's really not up for debate. look at NATO expansion since German reunification and imagine how we would react if the Warsaw Pact expanded west with such aggression.
I dunno, perhaps i'd express no concern when it happened again, doubling the border nato shares with my country while demilitarising the border with one of the states that just joined nato.
The move of a man who feels threatened by nato.
Nato expansion was fairly open and happened with continuous dialogue with russia. Russia was never concerned with nato as a threat, yeltsin was discussing joining nato itself, putin laughed it off as unnecessary when he came to power.
Russias issue with nato expansion is and has been since the 90's a combination of two things. A open display of the deterioration of russian power and a check against russian aggression to bully what it refers to as the 'near abroad'.
Farage may have been right to say that expansion gave putin a boogieman to spook his people with but its exactly that, a contrivance. Putin wasnt threatened by the idea of ukraine joining nato or the eu, he was pissed off that ukraine wouldnt be bulliable by russia if that happened.
You say it's not up for debate, and then follow up with some imagined hypothetical about the Warsaw pact expanding westwards. That's not an argument. We don't live in an alterative universe where NATO collapsed. It's completely ironic for you to say "It's not up for debate" if you think you can draw conclusions from a hypothetical.
Let's suppose we did live in your hypothetical universe, and Scotland was trying to join the Warsaw pact. Europe had been at relative peace for many decades. And your great idea is to invade Scotland and level it with millions of tons of artillery. Taking tens of thousands of lives and reducing cities to rubble.
I'm sorry but I missed the part when I'm supposed to feel sympathetic.
@@robertbones326 We don’t need to hypothesise because it did happen. The Iron Curtain was literally a halt to Soviet expansion and also The Cuban Missile Crisis shows how we would react. And yes if Scotland did want to join the Warsaw we absolutely would invade Scotland if you deny this you are delusional.
@@JD19XX
We permitted and supported a Scottish independence referendum in 2014.
We also devolved power to Wales, Scotland, and Northern Ireland under the New Labour government.
You claiming the UK would invade Scotland in some hypothetical alternative universe is irrelevant.
You're really bad at debate.
All russian neighbour counties from aric to black sea was attacked by russia at beggining of ww2, and aftermath all eastern europe coutries were ocupied by russia/ussr. All of them run to nato so not to be again ocupied by russia.
Not sure why Sergey is so anti Putin; could it be that he is trying to protect himself and his assets in the UK from being sanctioned?
U.K. and E.U. citizens will be told true sometime in 2100 .
Putin and Russians had been expressing concerns on NATO expansion since forever. What is NATO? Why does it exist after fall of USSR
Who is this Sergey guy? Did you put him there to speak for the "Spectator", while giving you the cover of neutrality? So painfully obvious!
Glenn Diesen has it all, if you really analyse Putin's reasonings and foreign policy's decisions you will easily conclude how careful and consequencial he has been for decades. It's absolutely clear the set of provocations from the US and NATO. If Farage said that, he made a logical and important point regardless of his domestic policy stupid views. One that all of us should carefully look at because that's the only foreseeable path to enduring peace and security in Europe.
They always say everyone wanted to be in NATO, well Serbia didn't.
I guess that's a lesson for everyone.
Exactly. They all joined of their own free liberal democratic will - after seeing what happens when you don’t.
Russia wanted to join NATO....it was rejected...😂😂😂😂...know why???!!. That would make NATO useless..
It didn't start in 2022
Glenn Diesen is knowledgeable and logical as usual. Why to invite this another guy to lie through his teeth, I have no idea.
He has another opinion about the subject. Why do you call it lying? You don’t like to hear opposing opinions? Rather be comfortable in a bubble?
@@stephaniesurface8761 Everybody is entitled to have his opinion, but not his own facts. He's simply lying.
@@joshuapaul2022 what is he supposed to have lied about? Where are your facts?
He is funded by a US government funded "NGO" who also spends funds to advertise at the Spectator?
I don't care really whose fault it is the bottom line is we shouldn't spend a penny on foreign armies until all our own citizens are housed and fed.
Glenn Diesen, what a rarity, the Scandinavian scholar is not on grants from the pro-"Atlantic", or rather, pro-NATO think tanks, not like most speakers on this topic in Western European MSM. Very knowledgeable, correct, convincing.
I support Ukraine’s right to defend itself but I believe Farage had a point. NATO was supposed to be a defence against the old Soviet Union but it hasn’t existed in 30 years 🤔
Putinist Russia is worse than the late USSR, at least Soviets didn't threaten to destroy the whole world if they don't get what they want.
Looks like Putin is rebuilding it under a new brand. Stalin's monuments are cropping up in Russia again. And more.
Nato is just a tool for world dominance also a market for US gun manufacturers
Russia proved not to turn into a peaceful neighbor and Eastern European countries know Russia has a break only. Russia will never change. Stop being naive.
Not quite. NATO's main purpose was always to be a defence against the Russian imperialism - in whichever form it might come. In 1948-1991, that imperialism came in the form of the Soviet Union (aka Russian Empire 2.0), now it comes in the form of Russian Empire 3.0. But it's still Russian imperialism, and it's still aggressive and dangerous - as amply demonstrated by recent events.
The ~10 years (in the 1990s), during which Russia was peaceful with respect to its neighbours, was a short and highly unusual historical aberration that had temporarily paused the 450-year span of a non-stop Russian imperialist expansion. Alas, that pause didn't last very long.
And lets not forget the nuland wiretap, and the "colour revolutions", which are pretty thinly veiled.
Is it that hard to believe Ukrainians preferred western democracy to a Russia-aligned kleptomaniac?
And her ''F**k the EU'' when discussing the American's choice of new Ukranian president with Geoffrey Pyatt, the USA Ambassador to Ukraine.
@@andyeasy3320 yeah, it's odd we are defending the sovereignty of a country that the us picks the leaders for.
@@andyeasy3320 Definitely something worth remembering...especially as Nuland actually received a promotion when appointed by the Biden administration. Just a very small correction though, it was for the office of Prime Minister rather than President.
@@curiositycloset2359when they say Ukraine is fighting for “independence” that is Orwellian for becoming another U.S. vassal regime. That’s fine but just be upfront and clear about it.
No ones hands are clean in this. To say anything else , is like viewing it through the eyes of a child.
There are specific reasons, Russia acted, how, and when they did. As both poroshenko and merkel pointed out, the kiev regime were building up and training troops, whilst continously shelling areas in Donbass, instead of honouring the Minsk agreements. Eventually the troops were amassed at the Donbass borders and by the beginning of Febuary 2022 seizefire violations grew exponentially, as reported by the OSCE. The intention was to storm through Donbass and retake Crimea.
Note it, how Glenn draws on endless references, whilst Sergei talks mostly based on his opinion, which is conveniently aligned with the mainstream narrative. You'd a historian would be more source-based.
This Sergey guy is disingenuous. Russia sent request to NATO in 2021 for negotiation but was ignored by NATO. Will America allow Mexico to enter military alliance with China? We are all victims of geography.
So why not invade?
Sovietunion was in Cuba, but USA never invaded Cuba...
Russia tried to make an influenc on the ukrainian politics even from the beginning of the 2000s
@@redblacktichy7713 Guess you read about Cuba Missile crisis. The last I check, Cuba was not part of Warsaw Pact which was led by USSR; the then rival of NATO. Democratically elected President of Ukraine was overthrown in 2014 not by Russia but by the west. Don't America influence Canada?.
Russia sent a demand in December 2021 for NATO to withdraw from all of Eastern Europe. This was of course a non-starter. Russia repeated this condition in its recent offer of "peace talks".
@@zolandia5262 eastern europe, lol. Including GDR?
probably more accurate to say _goaded_ than _provoked_
There are people with common sense,like Glenn Diessen and there are people that owe their living and livelihood to their masters ,like this Radchenko guy, Ukraine was already working on modifications on Ukrainian ports in order to receive US warships, they had dozen CIA bases along the Sumy and Kharkov border ,if US hadn't any aggressive intentions why they didn't build those bases on the polish border?!😅 Putin has done was everyone of this guy's masters would have done in second one , confronted with a similar situation.
farage is correct
Diesen's argument wins hands down.
What about the Minsk Accords. They tried to negotiate. Unbelievable.
EVERYBODY should ask themselves this simple question. Does your wish for Ukraine to remain sovereign, outweigh your wish to avert WWIII, and nuclear holocaust?
We should all be very concerned right now. Russia cannot lose this war in Ukraine, as this means the end of the regime. They will not tolerate this, we are dealing with a nuclear power. Do people really realise what a precipice we are on? The stakes could not be higher and Farage is right, there simply has to be peace talks, anything else literally risks all.
my question is :do we have to tolerate the Ukraine's ambition of becoming NATO member WITH ANY PRICE?Do have Ukraine the right to ask us to risk a nuclear war just because she want to be in NATO? I think ,in final,Russia could accept NATO's membership for Ukraine (West Ukraine or Galicina) if USA will accept Russian,korean and chinese bases in Texas or Florida and UK will accept such bases in Scotland and Northern Ireland
Yes, except Ukraine isn't sovereign. Its run by the US.
Sergey presented the issue as a countries right to chose its alliance. That was disingenuous. The issue is the US purposeful expansion of NATO to facilitate the provisioning of American nuclear weapons within a couple of minutes flight time from Moscow etc. In any case it does not matter what we think, it is what the Russian leadership thinks is what matters.
The US organised a coup in Ukraine in 2014. What is Russia supposed to deduce from that?
You have no idea how NATO works, do you?
Macron was recently calling NATO "brain dead". NATO was no threat to anyone in Russia, and all Russians knew it. All rich Russians kept their wealth and families in NATO or other Western countries (like Switzerland). The threat was of a democratic Ukraine to *Putin*, which became clear in the 2011 Bolotnaya protests in Moscow.
Finland has the biggest land border with Russia. Poland borders Russia, Lithiania borders Russia but Putin decided to invade NON NATO country of Ukraine which had zero chance to join in decades to come. Nato is an excuse. He wants Ukraine to become a part of Russia. It is about Putin's sick legacy.
Kosovo style?
Ukraine war remains me Iraq invasion by US under false justification, Russia at least has a point in not wanting the encirclement by NATO (US) on its borders.Few people comment or know about the origin or cause of Russia invasion, which is the continued encirclement of Russia by NATO (US) on ex USSR republics. How people expect for Russia not to defend its border from the continuous encroaching of US? What would US do in a hypothetical situation in which Russia or China start building bases on its borders? Remember the Cuban missile crisis?
If Rusia does not like Nato at her borders Russia should stop giving countries around her good reasons to join.Putin invaded NON NATO country because he could and because for him Ukraine is "not real". Nato has nothing to do with Putin's greed. It is about his sick legacy. He wants Ukraine.
Answer one question for me.Why do you think all the countries around Russia want to join Nato,it is very simple.The fact is Putin is either attacking neighbors or threatening them that is the reason for Nato expansion around Russia and that my friend is a fact Jack.
Nigel is bang on.👌
What about the negotiations in2022 in instanbal where Boris Johnston stopped lezevski from signing the agreement reached by both countries.
Lezevski 😊😅😊
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Yes Farage is 100% right ...
I am in Moscow now for a few weeks. I lived here for 4 years and unfortunately left in early 2020. The vast majority of Russians who I speak to .. 90%+ support Putin and Russias actions in Ukraine. I encourage “experts” to come to Russia and speak to ordinary people and then give an expert opinion.
No doubt about it, the answer is a resounding YES!
The Spectator should have been asking critical questions years ago. Perhaps if the media had been more honest then we would not be part of such a dreadful war and the threat of Armageddon.
I have seen and heard that Zelenskyj tried to follow the Minsk agreement, but after death threats from Banderas and that the US was opposed to the agreement, Zelenskyj was forced to break the agreement.
Why was the US/NATO opposed to the peace draft in Istanbul in the spring of 2022 that the parties accepted?
We also know that the Russian troops who went to Kiev aimed to bring Ukraine to the negotiating table, and they succeeded.
Unfortunately NATO was opposed to peace then as now when Ukraine probably has over 600,000 dead military. Everything unnecessarily that could be solved if the US/NATO wanted to take the security of the Russian government seriously.
Back in 2008, the then US ambassador William Burns wrote in a letter njet means njet after talking to all the political leaders in Russia about NATO in Ukraine.
If in doubt of how we arrived at this sorry pass, ask Professor John Mearshimer, or the various ambassadors to Russia. Ever since the reunification of Germany (where we assured the Soviets that we would not expand NATO eastward in recognition of their acceding to German reunification. It all started decades ago, not in the 2020’s.
Never forget that Russia was allied with the nazis at the start of WW2
@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Nobody thought much of the idea of arguing against Stalin at the time, I imagine.
@@freeforester1717 This time around Russia has to make do with North Korea.
There is no paper signed not to expand Nato east and bs small talk means nothng so stop complaing. And who is Russia to decide about act choices of Poland, Baltic States, Romania, Ukraine and so on? It is not soviet backyard anymore. Get over it. Putin wants Ukraine as a part of Russia and he blames Russia's victims for calling the police because they were fed up with being abused.
Ask Yugoslavia or Iraq,Syria ,Afghanistan ,Libya et al ,about Nato.
"The goal is NOT to win these wars. The goal is to use the wars to wash money out of the tax bases of the United States and out of the tax bases of European countries and back into the hands of a transnational security elite. THAT is the goal. To have ENDLESS wars, NOT SUCCESSFUL wars."
~ Julian Assange ~ Stop the War
Interview - 8 October 2011
This ends this argument ........
Putin, since 2007, warned that Ukraine was off limits. And there would be consequences
Farage's comments are always controversial before they become consensus
NATOs march eastward is 100% to blame for this conflict
Offcourse Farage is 100% right and everyone knows it.
Farage is right. Absolute provocation. What a price Ukraine has paid for " sovereignty " ! Put a foreign military or naval base in Cuba or Mexico, then watch what America does. Have we forgotten Cuba in 1962 ?
Foreign military base in the Ukraine 2014?
Please detail!
@@Happy747Piloteven Merkel admitted the Ukraine already became “de facto” NATO member. And membership was pushed hard since 2008 onwards (Nuland, Bush Jnr, etc).
John McCain and Lindsay Graham were in Ukraine and funding, training, arming Ukraine, via CIA. Military and civilian shell organisations like the NED to help overthrow yanukovich.
Nuland was telling the EU to fk itself while she and colleagues debated who to install as new Ukrainian leader.
It’s all out there recorded fact if you care to be bothered to do any proper research.
@@Happy747Pilot CIA had a dozen secret bases in Ukr ore 2022, on the border with Russia and conducting operations over the border, as detailed in the New York Times article "The Spy War". After 2014, obviously, because they could only do this after their coup.
"Before 2022"
Eastern European here....most of my compatriots sees Nato like a mafia gang we need to pay protection tax....being sandwiched between big powers is a uncomfortable position
A country run by mafia see mafia everywhere
Why don‘t you vote for a political party, which frees you from both powers, become an Eastern Switzerland. But I don’t know many Eastern Europeans, who agree with you. After the wall came down they very much wanted to be part of NATO, because they had a not too comfortable past with Russia.
@stephaniesurface8761 with soviet union yes not with russia...most of people too blind to see what s America about this days....creating enemies to feed he's industrial military complex
Do your compatriots know _anything_ at all about NATO? Because you don't pay NATO anything. Its an alliance. You'd likely be having to spend a whole lot more on defense if you weren't a member lol
@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 cleanly you don't have any ideea how Nato works...beeing a member u are required to spend minimum 2% of ur gdp on military and I think would be 3 next year....all equipment would be nato standard...guess who producing that equipment....really many comments here are done by brainless sheeps.
In regard to spending...world would be a better world without neo con warmongers...look who's behind most of the conflicts after 90'
Nigel garage 100% correct about provocation comment.
All the pleas by Putin to Nato were answered with a "it is none of your business". Ucraine had military exercises by Nato for three years prior to 2022. Get real!
Answer me one question.Why do you think all the countries around Russia want to join Nato it is simple.Putin is either attacking his neighbors or threatening them and that is why they want to join Nato.
For sergeys information, Russia negotiated with the west but west back stabed Russia
West owes Russia nothing and Russia is not Ukraine's master.
Mr Radchenko,
The US reacts to potentially hostile bases 5-10 thousand miles away. You know this.
The other gentleman thinks because he is from that region therefore he has the right analysis but clearly he speaks from a western bias and is in denial of the facts more like he has personal issues that skew his ability to debate well.
why has the Spectator waited 2,5 years to ask this question?
Nigel was correct
Great to see Glen Diesen, he can give some insight into the "multipolar world" bloc.
So when is Ukraine going to have an election??
Zelensky says never
This is another NeoCon disaster like Syria Libya Iraq and Afghanistan.
It’s pretty normal to suspend elections while your country is in a state of total war. Britain did the same.
Not the US during our Civil War!
@@SpeedfreakUK parliamentary maybe. not presidential elections.
So they say they don’t like Farage, but admit that he is right right? this what I’m getting from this?
I don't like Farage but he's right on this one point. He may be right on a few others, but from my pov he's mostly not right. And, did I say, I don't like him.
@@myla6135 that’s a beautiful thing about democracy. You can vote for who you want to.
So let me get this straight? When Israel annexes the Golen heights and the international community doesn't blink an eye, that's fine? However, if Russia doesn't want NATO and it's nuclear missiles on its border in the form of Ukrainian NATO membership and invades that land, that's worth risking total nuclear annihilation because only certain countries can annex land in the international community? (Serbia anyone?!?)
Other than Europe and North America, the rest of the world sees the hypocrisy of NATO and its deference towards the extreme right-wing government of Israel while provoking the Russians for 20 years of NATO expansion.
This is how world wars happen......
Not really. Not when you can't stomach any of those on offer. I'm really struggling with the offering this time around. ☺
Oh, and I'm with travis on this one.
@@myla6135 then don’t vote simple and stop moaning about it