@@Arturo-sm1tb If he did, it was after years of Fosse spewed venom at him. He didn’t spit on him after the play. That’s a huge lie. Pete asked him to go on ball signings with him all the time. They spent the evening together the night before the all star game. Fosse was a huge baby.
Notice they had not a single word to say about the play itself. The runner has a right to the plate. Fosse completely blocked the base path. Rose tried to reach around him to get to the plate, but the runner is out if he runs outside the base path. So Pete was left with no choice. Collisions at the plate are not uncommon though MLB has tried to reduce them. They are part of the game. It's why catchers so often leave the base path clear and use a "sweep tag" when the ball arrives.
let this decide the argument ray has said for years rose never even asked if he was ok. when the video shows pete walk up bend over and talk to him and every player there has said the first thing pete did was ask ray how he was
Rose asserted that he was simply trying to win the game and that Fosse - who had moved a few feet up the third-base line to receive the throw from Amos Otis was blocking the plate; but Rose was widely criticized for over-aggressive play in an exhibition game. Fosse went on to play 42 games in the second half of the season, hitting .297 and winning the American League Gold Glove Award.
@@troyjeffcoat1636 Yeah, in addition, in front of 56,000 fans in his hometown in the twelfth inning with the winning run on the line ..and it just so happens its the hustlingest, toughest son of a gun in the history of baseball.
Ray Fosse starting catcher on the All Bitter Team. His favorite musician? Tom Petty. His favorite race car driver? Richard Petty. Favorite actress? Lori Petty Favorite movie? Petticoat Junction
Just saying here...................for those saying it was "only an All-Star game". Yeah alright, maybe Pete didn't need to barrel into Fosse, but then why was Fosse blocking the plate in a so-called exhibition game? You can't have it both ways people. Either it was a nothing game and Rose AND Fosse were wrong or it was a game that matter and Rose AND Fosse were doing their jobs. Fosse played 3 full seasons after this in 1970 and won two World Series. He played another 6 years after that of partial seasons. In 1971 Fosse was an all-star again and had 134 hits and batted .276. There is this myth that Fosse never played again after the hit, this isn't true. He still had some good years after this.
Nah nah nah...not accurate at all....Fosse played another 7 seasons and won 2 WS trophies while with the A's....truth be told...he came back way too soon after injuring that shoulder in the AS GAME...on top of that, in 1974, he sustained a herniated disc in his neck while trying to break up a clubhouse fight between Billy North and Reggie Jackson...if anything, THAT injury shortened his career... get the facts straight
Fosse blocked the plate - he did his job. I guess Rose was suppose to just quit, stand up and say "you got me - way to block the plate"?. Sure that's how things work in a tied game in the bottom of the 12th - now go sing kumbaya, suck your thumb, and protest against Trump and then have your wife teach your kid how to play soccer and fall down crying when someone gets close to them.
@@FISHH00KS Chill bro. In Ray Fosse's first two full seasons in the majors, he made the all-star team and won GGs twice. Who knows how his career would have turned out. He was only 24 years old when they happened. I am a fan of Pete Rose too but cmon it was an All Star game. Could you imagine if someone had pummeled Johnny Bench in his 2nd all star game?
I was an A's game back then and didn't like what Pete did but I was just a teen then. After hearing Pete, I believe him that he didn't intend to injure Pete. Pete also made his points that back in the day, those All Star games were life and death and taken very seriously by both leagues. Also Pete is correct when he says that Fosse was 5 feet up the line and blocking the plate without the ball which is illegal. So I agree with Pete, what was he supposed to do, just slide into an out and never reach the plate? If he at least had the ball already, maybe Pete just gives him a little bump and takes the out, although the hard nosed way that Pete played back then, I'm not even sure of this, he may have tried to knock the ball out from his glove.
Big time. You can tell it still grates on him really bad. His partner is Duane Kuiper’s brother and the only reason he has a job in baseball broadcasting is Duane Kuiper. Boring duo.
Fosse was obviously jealous of Pete’s accomplishments. Bottom line is that Fosse was ok at best as a player and he simply should not have placed himself in front of the plate if he didn’t want to get run over. R.I.P Ray
Let's see, I know who Pete Rose is. The all time hits leader. Who's Ray Fosse? Oh yea, 1970 all star game Pete runs over catcher to win game. As Jessi James would say, "I'll make you famous". So on behalf of Charlie Hustle, your welcome Mr Fosse.
You must be talking about a different Pete Rose. The Pete Rose I know was banned from baseball and the baseball Hall of Fame for life. Hmmm. I'm pretty sure "good guys" don't get banned from baseball.
@@ProfessorTimeYeah, what does that have to do with the issue at hand here ? Two different things pardner. Like Pete has said, 'the hall of fame is not full of a bunch of altar boys'. Go do your research before you take the high road, clown.
I guess there is CRYING in baseball.... You Ray ... take the cake ... pick up some HUGGIES on your way home.... plate that is ... sorry.... don't block it.... did you learn anything.... No ......
Amazing. But Ray Fosse never whines or complains about Rose bowling him over in the 1970 ASG. Duane Kuiper is a real piece of work, too - classless. Rose became more negative about it over the years as Fosse didn't let it go. Look at how both the N.L. and the A.L. played the ASG back then, especially the National League - they played to win the game. IF Fosse had not been blocking the plate, he wouldn't have a story there.
When I was a kid in the 80s, I went camping with a youth group in the Andirondack mountains every summer. Of course we were nowhere near a tv, radio or even a newspaper. And it was always during the All Star Break. We were all bummed we couldn't watch it. A chaperone would go to town to get supplies and find out the score. People cared then.
Rose ALWAYS played to win - PERIOD - Fosse was blocking the plate - PERIOD - Rose belongs in Cooperstown - PERIOD - Fosse does NOT belong in Cooperstown - PERIOD
Ray Fosse, RIP. You played that game like a man. Respect. But you lost. The guy who ran over you lost the most in major league baseball history. He took the good with the bad. That’s a part of being a professional athlete. You win and you lose. It’s called competition.. And every athlete knows going in the next game could be their last. I wish that Mr. Fosse, his many fans, and that lame broadcaster who was obviously kissing up to boost his little career would’ve realized before his death that while it may not have been fair, thats life. and not everybody in life wins an All-Star game. or makes it to the Hall of Fame in spite of statistically deserving it. Just ask Pete.
people always dissing fosse and you can tell that this situation still bothers him but he's always been a class act and s nice man in the light of peoples shit talking , ray fosse is a bay area legend
Ray Fosse is a multiple all star, gold glove catcher, won WS, and later became a long tenure A's TV color commentator. There's a lot of ppl in the Bay Area who have been around Ray for like the last 45 years. Pete Rose on the other hand can't walk into a MLB ballpark today, period.
You are a idiot boy. Fosse in 1970 prior to the All Star Game before Rose cheap shotted him and ended his career as a hitter, was posting Bench type numbers.
It would be quite ironic if someday Ray Fosse receives the Ford C. Frick award and is inducted into the broadcasters wing of the baseball hall of fame, while Pete Rose continues to boo hoo over his being barred.
Ray who, has had the most attention he will ever get in his life, for hitting home runs, no, for stealing bases, no for most hits, no for getting knocked on his ass, hahaha go figure that.
Our Cleveland catcher Ray Dempsey got run over by Bo Jackson back in 1987. His career ended. That is seldom mentioned. I've watched baseball since the 60s. Catchers who block the plate without the ball get run over. Fosse could have left him enough plate to slide in & swipe tagged him when the ball arrived. Rose would have been safe since the throw was not in time. Nobody disses Bo Jackson for running over Dempsey.
Lame... cheap shots delivered almost 44 years later... because Rose won the game... like me whining over a play that happened in my T-ball league... indicative of pathological levels of self-pride...
Fosse is well remembered by Oakland and Cleveland fans, not to mention the teams that were dominated by Oakland during the A's dynasty of the early-mid 70s. Fosse played a key role in Oakland during those years. As for either of the two players being classless, it's been Rose all along, not Fosse. Ray Fosse never complained or made any derogatory comments about Rose or the play. Rose made rude, and quite frankly, weird statements over the years about the play. What you see in this video is pretty tame compared to what Rose has said. Rose was a great baseball player, but he's also a jackass. Even Johnny Bench agrees with that.
Have you met Mr. Bench? I'm a lifelong Reds fan, and I believe Johnny Bench is the greatest catcher ever to play the game. That said, Johnny Bench can be a jerk when he puts his mind to it.
Back then the All-Star like the Pro Bowl was literally of no consequence. Thus, even for those like myself that believe commitment/hustle is of paramount importance, unless there's something at stake it's simply not worth injuries.
I am guessing you werent alive when it happened, back then players were worth considerably less and they played considerably harder...Watch old NFL films same thing. Back then you didnt need "an incentive" to play it. Those players would knock their mom over to win a game. Now guys are paid too much to take any chances.
Block the plate, get run over. Pete did nothing wrong. Baseline belongs to the runner. Can't go around Fosse outside the baseline, can't slide into him that far from the plate. Can't leap over him. Only option is to go through him. Injuries are part of the game. This was just a whine-fest. Get Fosse some diapers. You would first need to pull Kuiper's face out of Fosse's ass though.
Very disappointing-done in poor taste. Pete’s problems with the HOF & prison stem from gambling, NOT from having a mediocre career. Rose (most hits ever, “Charlie Hustle”) & Barry Bonds (most ever, most in a season, greatest hitter in the past 50 years, Golden Glover, great base stealer) should be in the Hall.
Then don't block the basepath and force the runner to hit you! It was Fosse's actions that caused the collision....the runner has a right to the basepath!
RIP Ray. You lived a great life and were a good person. Thanks for the memories ❤
I don’t understand all the hatred and animosity he has against Pete. Pete has never said a negative word about him.
He actually did , Theres a video of him talking with fans at a signing and he says he spit on fosse after the play
I some will ruin maliciously your carrer has a Mayor League stellar catcher, probably you will hated also.
@@sonicregurgitation quit making shit up
Are you kidding? Rose spoke negatively about Ray on many occassions.
@@Arturo-sm1tb If he did, it was after years of Fosse spewed venom at him. He didn’t spit on him after the play. That’s a huge lie. Pete asked him to go on ball signings with him all the time. They spent the evening together the night before the all star game. Fosse was a huge baby.
Notice they had not a single word to say about the play itself. The runner has a right to the plate. Fosse completely blocked the base path. Rose tried to reach around him to get to the plate, but the runner is out if he runs outside the base path. So Pete was left with no choice. Collisions at the plate are not uncommon though MLB has tried to reduce them. They are part of the game. It's why catchers so often leave the base path clear and use a "sweep tag" when the ball arrives.
It was an F-ing All Star Game. An EXHIBITION, a fun event. Rose was a Dck to him on that play and for years after.
If it was not for pete rose no one would no this guy
Fact!!!
Ray " I'll block the plate in an All Star Game but cry when I get run over in an All Star game" Fosse.
Yes sir. I think it's a shame how he treats Pete over is. He's basically saying "I'm allowed to play all out but Pete's not."
Amen brother. Pete should have backed up and run over him again!
let this decide the argument ray has said for years rose never even asked if he was ok. when the video shows pete walk up bend over and talk to him and every player there has said the first thing pete did was ask ray how he was
good point! Fosse probably did not hear Pete, but he must have see the film later.
Rose asserted that he was simply trying to win the game and that Fosse - who had moved a few feet up the third-base line to receive the throw from Amos Otis was blocking the plate; but Rose was widely criticized for over-aggressive play in an exhibition game.
Fosse went on to play 42 games in the second half of the season, hitting .297 and winning the American League Gold Glove Award.
Buck it was more than an exhibition game back then. It was league pride!
@@troyjeffcoat1636 Yeah, in addition, in front of 56,000 fans in his hometown in the twelfth inning with the winning run on the line ..and it just so happens its the hustlingest, toughest son of a gun in the history of baseball.
Ray Fosse starting catcher on the All Bitter Team. His favorite musician? Tom Petty. His favorite race car driver? Richard Petty. Favorite actress? Lori Petty Favorite movie? Petticoat Junction
Lol
Omg. Your response should have more likes. Lmao
He should be happy Pete Rose mowed him down because nobody would even talk about him
how much has Fosse made signing that picture....
why is Fosse mad at Rose? I don't get it. Pete played hard and Ray blocked the plate , everything went just as it should.
2:50 Let’s all goose and giggle at a guy going to prison! Hahaha what a laugh riot….
Just saying here...................for those saying it was "only an All-Star game". Yeah alright, maybe Pete didn't need to barrel into Fosse, but then why was Fosse blocking the plate in a so-called exhibition game? You can't have it both ways people. Either it was a nothing game and Rose AND Fosse were wrong or it was a game that matter and Rose AND Fosse were doing their jobs. Fosse played 3 full seasons after this in 1970 and won two World Series. He played another 6 years after that of partial seasons. In 1971 Fosse was an all-star again and had 134 hits and batted .276. There is this myth that Fosse never played again after the hit, this isn't true. He still had some good years after this.
Exactly, Fosse didn’t get labeled as overly competitive even though he was doing everything he could do to stop Rose from scoring.
Rose has 4,256 hits and he played his heart out every game. Ray who?
Nah nah nah...not accurate at all....Fosse played another 7 seasons and won 2 WS trophies while with the A's....truth be told...he came back way too soon after injuring that shoulder in the AS GAME...on top of that, in 1974, he sustained a herniated disc in his neck while trying to break up a clubhouse fight between Billy North and Reggie Jackson...if anything, THAT injury shortened his career... get the facts straight
Fosse blocked the plate - he did his job. I guess Rose was suppose to just quit, stand up and say "you got me - way to block the plate"?. Sure that's how things work in a tied game in the bottom of the 12th - now go sing kumbaya, suck your thumb, and protest against Trump and then have your wife teach your kid how to play soccer and fall down crying when someone gets close to them.
@@FISHH00KS Chill bro. In Ray Fosse's first two full seasons in the majors, he made the all-star team and won GGs twice. Who knows how his career would have turned out. He was only 24 years old when they happened. I am a fan of Pete Rose too but cmon it was an All Star game. Could you imagine if someone had pummeled Johnny Bench in his 2nd all star game?
Yes sir
@@willdrucker4291 exacly
I was an A's game back then and didn't like what Pete did but I was just a teen then. After hearing Pete, I believe him that he didn't intend to injure Pete. Pete also made his points that back in the day, those All Star games were life and death and taken very seriously by both leagues.
Also Pete is correct when he says that Fosse was 5 feet up the line and blocking the plate without the ball which is illegal.
So I agree with Pete, what was he supposed to do, just slide into an out and never reach the plate?
If he at least had the ball already, maybe Pete just gives him a little bump and takes the out, although the hard nosed way that Pete played back then, I'm not even sure of this, he may have tried to knock the ball out from his glove.
Should say A's fan
So you're allowed to walk into a major league baseball park, but Pete is still alive, so there ya go Ray. It all comes back, right?
Let the man rest in peace. Pete was 100% correct to do what he did but don't ever think that gives you the right to speak ill of the dead.
Ray Fosse sounded bitter and petty. His clueless broadcast partner was pretty lousy, too.
Big time. You can tell it still grates on him really bad. His partner is Duane Kuiper’s brother and the only reason he has a job in baseball broadcasting is Duane Kuiper. Boring duo.
Fosse was obviously jealous of Pete’s accomplishments. Bottom line is that Fosse was ok at best as a player and he simply should not have placed himself in front of the plate if he didn’t want to get run over. R.I.P Ray
Let's see, I know who Pete Rose is. The all time hits leader. Who's Ray Fosse? Oh yea, 1970 all star game Pete runs over catcher to win game. As Jessi James would say, "I'll make you famous". So on behalf of Charlie Hustle, your welcome Mr Fosse.
You must be talking about a different Pete Rose.
The Pete Rose I know was banned from baseball and the baseball Hall of Fame for life.
Hmmm. I'm pretty sure "good guys" don't get banned from baseball.
Professor Time yeah right the hall of fame is full of nice guys. Lmao
A good catcher who is part of 2 world series championships
Fosse is a 2x all star, 2x champion and 2x gold glover. Not on the same level as Pete Rose but he certainly had a good career....
@@ProfessorTimeYeah, what does that have to do with the issue at hand here ? Two different things pardner. Like Pete has said, 'the hall of fame is not full of a bunch of altar boys'. Go do your research before you take the high road, clown.
Sounds like Ray has a bunch of sour grapes. It was baseball he lost the battle get over it
I guess there is CRYING in baseball.... You Ray ... take the cake ... pick up some HUGGIES on your way home.... plate that is ... sorry.... don't block it.... did you learn anything.... No ......
lmao pete rose knock em ray on his ass at home plate at all star game,pete rose rules!!!!!
Amazing. But Ray Fosse never whines or complains about Rose bowling him over in the 1970 ASG. Duane Kuiper is a real piece of work, too - classless. Rose became more negative about it over the years as Fosse didn't let it go. Look at how both the N.L. and the A.L. played the ASG back then, especially the National League - they played to win the game. IF Fosse had not been blocking the plate, he wouldn't have a story there.
When I was a kid in the 80s, I went camping with a youth group in the Andirondack mountains every summer. Of course we were nowhere near a tv, radio or even a newspaper. And it was always during the All Star Break. We were all bummed we couldn't watch it. A chaperone would go to town to get supplies and find out the score. People cared then.
That is not Duane, it's his brother Glen.
Rose ALWAYS played to win - PERIOD - Fosse was blocking the plate - PERIOD - Rose belongs in Cooperstown - PERIOD - Fosse does NOT belong in Cooperstown - PERIOD
Seems like Ray is taking this collision too far.
What kind of party is this ? Jokers hanging around with goofy hats ? Uhhhh ? What a Cheesefest.
Honestly , Nobody would remember Fosse if it wasn't for that collision ..
Good point
Ray Fosse, RIP. You played that game like a man. Respect. But you lost. The guy who ran over you lost the most in major league baseball history. He took the good with the bad. That’s a part of being a professional athlete. You win and you lose. It’s called competition.. And every athlete knows going in the next game could be their last. I wish that Mr. Fosse, his many fans, and that lame broadcaster who was obviously kissing up to boost his little career would’ve realized before his death that while it may not have been fair, thats life. and not everybody in life wins an All-Star game. or makes it to the Hall of Fame in spite of statistically deserving it. Just ask Pete.
The highlight of this guys career was being hit by Pete rose.
Bullshit
Pete outlived Ray
Yes but who is ray fosse pete rose made him noticed not his playing
people always dissing fosse and you can tell that this situation still bothers him but he's always been a class act and s nice man in the light of peoples shit talking , ray fosse is a bay area legend
Shut up, Ray.
As was alluded to Pete was in the minimum security portion of the prison. Not near the hard core inmates.
If it wasn't for Pete Rose, nobody would know who Ray Fosse is today, period.
Really? I disagree. Anyone that's an all-star in their rookie year is set up for a good career.
Ray Fosse is a multiple all star, gold glove catcher, won WS, and later became a long tenure A's TV color commentator. There's a lot of ppl in the Bay Area who have been around Ray for like the last 45 years. Pete Rose on the other hand can't walk into a MLB ballpark today, period.
You are a idiot boy. Fosse in 1970 prior to the All Star Game before Rose cheap shotted him and ended his career as a hitter, was posting Bench type numbers.
BS
Fosse should've gotten out of the way.
When Pete went to prison in Marion, Illinois the wing he was in was named the ray fosse wing!
Yeah I'm sure they name wings in federal prison! 🙄
Fosse was blocking the plate.
Fosse is such a baby. Talk about holding a grudge
Pete Rose will run into any catcher blocking his way to the plate. Fosse should have known that.
Ray won two rings - talk about a "ruined" career 🙄
Prison jokes by dean and his buddy Jerry...smh
That guy on the right has a big mouth, if Pete would have walked in on that when he was boasting he probably would have shit himself.
If you don't want to get hit, play outfield...
Raised in Akron, Fosse got his arse kicked and has never gotten over it. Someday he needs to grow up and move on.
It would be quite ironic if someday Ray Fosse receives the Ford C. Frick award and is inducted into the broadcasters wing of the baseball hall of fame, while Pete Rose continues to boo hoo over his being barred.
You'll have to provide some video of Pete boo hooing over not being in the hall.
Ray who, has had the most attention he will ever get in his life, for hitting home runs, no, for stealing bases, no for most hits, no for getting knocked on his ass, hahaha go figure that.
Our Cleveland catcher Ray Dempsey got run over by Bo Jackson back in 1987. His career ended. That is seldom mentioned. I've watched baseball since the 60s. Catchers who block the plate without the ball get run over. Fosse could have left him enough plate to slide in & swipe tagged him when the ball arrived. Rose would have been safe since the throw was not in time.
Nobody disses Bo Jackson for running over Dempsey.
I’ve never seen anyone run over Mike Socia.
@@robertlosasso4222 scocsia ? Yeah it happened 1990 by Norm Charlton
Has there ever been anybody more fearsome for a catcher in the history of baseball than Bo Jackson running full speed at the plate??
Lame... cheap shots delivered almost 44 years later... because Rose won the game... like me whining over a play that happened in my T-ball league... indicative of pathological levels of self-pride...
Ray - who?
You're the expert
thank you sir
Fosse is well remembered by Oakland and Cleveland fans, not to mention the teams that were dominated by Oakland during the A's dynasty of the early-mid 70s. Fosse played a key role in Oakland during those years. As for either of the two players being classless, it's been Rose all along, not Fosse. Ray Fosse never complained or made any derogatory comments about Rose or the play. Rose made rude, and quite frankly, weird statements over the years about the play. What you see in this video is pretty tame compared to what Rose has said. Rose was a great baseball player, but he's also a jackass. Even Johnny Bench agrees with that.
Have you met Mr. Bench? I'm a lifelong Reds fan, and I believe Johnny Bench is the greatest catcher ever to play the game. That said, Johnny Bench can be a jerk when he puts his mind to it.
Get your facts straight.
Bullshit!
Back then the All-Star like the Pro Bowl was literally of no consequence. Thus, even for those like myself that believe commitment/hustle is of paramount importance, unless there's something at stake it's simply not worth injuries.
Pro2AGuy I agree.......ray shouldn't have been blocking the plate without the ball
I am guessing you werent alive when it happened, back then players were worth considerably less and they played considerably harder...Watch old NFL films same thing. Back then you didnt need "an incentive" to play it. Those players would knock their mom over to win a game. Now guys are paid too much to take any chances.
It sounds like it meant something to Pete. I dont think it mattered what you thought.
Back then, the leagues had much more distinct identities, and who won meant a great deal to the players.
Block the plate, get run over. Pete did nothing wrong. Baseline belongs to the runner. Can't go around Fosse outside the baseline, can't slide into him that far from the plate. Can't leap over him. Only option is to go through him. Injuries are part of the game. This was just a whine-fest. Get Fosse some diapers. You would first need to pull Kuiper's face out of Fosse's ass though.
Very disappointing-done in poor taste. Pete’s problems with the HOF & prison stem from gambling, NOT from having a mediocre career. Rose (most hits ever, “Charlie Hustle”) & Barry Bonds (most ever, most in a season, greatest hitter in the past 50 years, Golden Glover, great base stealer) should be in the Hall.
This is petty and disrespectful to the great Pete Rose..
A Healthy Ray Fosse would have been a 300 hitter with 30 home run a year power and Gold Glove defense
And Uncle Rico would’ve gone pro.
Troy he hit almost 300 the rest of the year. Was it a delayed reaction injury?
Then don't block the basepath and force the runner to hit you! It was Fosse's actions that caused the collision....the runner has a right to the basepath!
@@essessessesq 🎯
...keeping it classy, eh? :-/