Ep.5 STANKO 1M63 Manual Lathe Bedways Regrinding Guide and Tutorial |
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
- Ep.5 STANKO 1M63 Manual Lathe Bedways Regrinding Guide and Tutorial | @STAN CANADA
This video explains and shows how to properly regrind a bigger machine with minimal wear and maintain the value of the lathe. The Stanko 1M63 Manual Lathe is one of the most reliable lathes in the industry. This video demonstrates how to or how our machinist regrinds the bedways of the lathes.
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Timestamps
0:00 Bedways Grinding Intro
0:25 Our Way Grinder
1:55 Bed Set-up
5:05 Lining Up Bedways in Longitudinal Direction
11:27 Lining up Bedways in Vertical Direction
16:08 Grinding Top Ways
18:48 Grinding Keeper Plates Ways
22:05 Results
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I'd have liked it more if you were located in Toronto and I could send a lathe bed to you to regrind ;)
Do you know the name of this song in this vid? I liked it!
I enjoy watching the setting up, I have done this sort of work many years ago and to me the stuff before the removal of material is the most important
If I can offer some advice as a retired machine tool fitter/turner, then when mounting the lathe bed to the machining bed, then first put the bed on upsides down, clamp and mill/grind tbe base FIRST, then invert, clamp directly and work as normal.
Every machine tool moves, as it(iron) naturally seasons over decades of thermal cycling - Putting jacks/spaces/shims under a machine tool is never a good idea, hence why it's best to mount directly on the machine tool bed.
Machine tools are meant to be grouted in place for vibration damping via mass, and not to be point mounted on screw jacks(these are only for leveling, before grouting in-situ ie the grout does the support and not the screw jacks) - the difference is significant and not theoretical for machine performance.
Nice vid BTW.
You just typed a load of nonsense
You level a machine to be ground using its own levelling positions. Maybe get away with that on a myford but on a big machine😂😂
To avoid distortion when clamping it is best to have an indicator on top of what you're clamping. That way you can be sure that the clamping is not distorting the casting. Also, use a couple of indictors mounted to the table when machining to make sure the casting doesn't move during the actual machining.@@127069
@@127069no, he’s 100% correct.
What a fascinating video. This is something I hope to have done to my little Logan lathe. Thanks for sharing.
I love Russian Engeneering.
Молодец!
Nice to see a Canadian company doing this work. Thanks for sharing and looking forward to the next videos when you scrape and fit the carriage, head stock and tail stock.
Thank you, we are doing our best to put more videos out there but as of now its pretty busy.
Masters class on bed way grinding.
I was impressed with how much of a pass he would make with the CBN wheel.
Thanks for sharing och good coverage. Just got my old planer up and running and consider adding a grinder head to it - once I have installed proper V-way protection.
no bs, stan knows his stuff
if i lived in canada my dsg 1810 would be in there
Thank you, Jaggy.
The precision and skill to do this are very complex. The level and straightness of this lathe bed change with temperature and how it is supported.
I really like this episode. thank you
I once worked around 1980 for an Edmonton company called Stamco and clearly recall us buying a lathe milling machine and radial arm drill. The salesman was an Englishman and he was also the installation engineer . I seem to think his name was Dave?… Does it ring any bells?
Seeing the scraping would be very interesting!
Great machine
I love stanko machine tool .
Nice work! Great that you can breath new life into this old iron.
Yea I agree.
NIIIIIIIIICE !!
Дружище, акцент тебя выдает))). С Новым Годом, здоровья, успеха в твоей деятельности!
И имя тоже наверное...
Ой и не говори, Иваныч.
@@StanCanada в Канаде актуально восстанавливать станки? Я думал у Вас просто покупают новые. Подскажите, это у Вас минский продольно-строгальный переделанный в продольно-шлифовальный? Подскажите модель шлифовального станка.
Было чувство, посмотрел комменты. Точно ))) будем изучать канал.))
Very interesting.
Amazing work guys, thanks very much for sharing it.
Our pleasure, glad you liked the rebuilding.
Interesting video serie about the topic! I like this kind of vids, the more technical detail the better it is. Never mind making long videos. Sad that it has no ending
Thanks for sharing
You're welcome, im glad you enjoyed it
Music track detracts from interesting video.
Great video Awesome seeing how you get the job done.
Thank you
Excellent video. Good to see the process.
Thank you
Thank you for your time in showing us your processes.
I have heard old machinists talk about making new replacement ways for their new machines to have spares, but that must have been for ways that were bolted in on smaller machines.
The only machine I've ever seen that had bolt on ways was Niles if you have an old Niles I guess you could put new ways on it I don't know why you would I don't know that anyone's ever sent a machine back to have it taken down literally to the bare frame new ways applied and ground sounds more expensive than a new machine that worked on many of their older machines even if the ways were tore up a bit those machines are perfect to begin with and for the most part still perfect with the exception of the worn areas from decades of making the same part even then you can barely tell except with your fingers
@@chauvinemmons All true, and that's why this stuff gets scrapped. There's a lot more to rebuilding a lathe than redoing the ways and all of it costs $$$.
Good work gentleman. Good video footage. As well as good communication skills. The shop appears to be clean and organized as well.
Thank you
pretty cool
Awesome job!
Thank you
In my practice, I used one stone to grind all upper surfaces. I dressed it as two taper and cylinder between them.
Thanks for the interesting video. I am curious about the how you confirm the accuracy of the ways on the milling/grinding machine though Do you use really long straight edges calibrated off a giant surface plate? Do you use optical methods?
Thanks.
Is the scaping done by hand? - Thank you for the great video!
This is shown in the following videos :)
I really like..awesome work...from indonesia..
Thank you
Завтра свой токарный станок tos su 32 повезу на шлифовку, теперь знаю как это делается, будет с чем сравнивать.
Impressing precision on such large scale machines. But how are the rails of the grinding machine itself kept in shape, or don't the have any wear?
Ep. 6 estamos esperando...
Что-то мне подсказывает, что вы сможете прочесть мой комментарий :-)
Воспримите критику как побуждение к действию, а не как попытку обругать...
Никогда(конечно есть сключения, но не в этом случае) не прижимают станины к столу станка при фиишной обработке.
Вы гарантировано получаете банан/винт или более замысловатые фигуры траектории направляющих после снятия прижимов. Большинство токарных станков не подразумевает использование специальных опор для столь сложной юстировки на месте установки.
Станины фиксируют боковыми прижимами. Как по ходу станка, так и поперек. Причем важный момент, не получить изворот станины.
Усилия резания при финишной обработке малы и не способны смещать столь массивные детали.
Обычно для выставления и фиксации удобно использовать клиновые опоры. У некоторых предусмотрены упоры для исправления бананообразности станины. Которые и будут фиксировать станину.
Низ станины обычно не идеален :-) И ставить клиновые упоры на забоины и подобное - глупо. Довольно просто от этого избавиться. Нужен эпоксидный клей(затвердевающий в течении 2-5мин) и заранее подготовленные кусочки листовой стали(толщина максимальная, позволяющая работать боковыми упорами). Кладете эти кусочки на стол станка. Мажете клеем и опускате станину. Снятье этих кусочков просто легким ударом молоточка. Если места на станине где будет клей предварительно обработать подходящим составом, то снятие пройдет руками. +10 минут к времени обработки, но по факту результат обработки станет ближе к идеальному.
Обработку станины чашкой можно заменить на чистовое фрезерование с применением CBN или керамики. Ибо чашка прилично греет, а сож поливать вдимо не очень хочется. Станина обработанная(фрезерованая) эльбором или керамикой. Будет более точной на следующий день. Ибо будут отсутствовать фокусы с созданием напряженного слоя при шлифовке. И станину меньше коробит.
Спасибо за совет относительно материалов для шлифования.
Касательно совета по установке станины - такое ощущение что это имеет отношение к новым станинам а не перешлифовке.
Мы не перенапрягам станину, а лишь пытаемся максимально приблизить положение направляющих к положению первого (заводского) шлифования и как следствие к положению (установке) готового станка в цеху.
Не стоит также забывать и о глубине закалки поверхностного слоя направляюх и о времени требуемого для перешлифовки.в случае предоставления станине самой найти "свое место"
Так что критика принимается но с оговорками.
@@StanCanada
Вот на заводе при изготовлении должны выгибать. Красный пролетарий 100% выгибал при производстве. Этим они компенсировали поводки после мех обработки и закалки. Я читал тех карты и общался с работниками. Когда спасал оттуда последние станки со знакомыми. Высший завод был...
Возврат к заводским базам это конечно хотелось бы. Но мне кажется будет достаточно промерить станину. С помощью автоколлиматора/уровня(не хуже 0,02мм/м) используя самолётик(приспособление для измерения станины(призмы)).
Или при прижатии прижимами смотреть как себя ведёт уровень. Как в продольном так и поперечном направлении.
И станет очевидным. Что будет с блестящими направляющими когда отпустите прижимы.
Многоопорные станины должны быть равномерно разгружены(распределён вес). Допустимо только отжать станину минимально 0,01-0,005мм)
Я не совсем объективно написал про фиксацию вертикальными прижимами. В плане токарных станков.
Если прям совсем идеально делать. То в зависимости от жесткости станины и класса точности станка. Нужно соблюсти условие НЕ ПРОГИБА станины под весом суппорта.
Если есть доступ к технологической карте ремонта. То там иногда есть пункты где описывают как и на сколько выгнуть станину.
Или использовать копировальное устройство(на кобурах такое точно стоит).
@@Mikle_Fedorov Мне казалось жескости станины правильно сконструированного станка будет достаточно для того чтобы принебречь весом суппорта с навешанным на него фартуком в дополнении к силе резания...
Касательно делать идеально - по всей видимости это осталось в далеком прошлом, сейчас проще станок заменить, по крайней мере здесь станки до 600 мм никто не капиталит.
@@StanCanada
Большие или тяжелые токарные по ГОСТ не бывают высших классов точности. Хотя объективно это понятно почему.
Но вес супрорта + усилия резания это 100% способно деформировать станину(упруго).
На станке размера 16К20, но легкой серии. Я руками в состоянии отогнуть направляющую возле патрона на 0,01.
Магнитим индикатор на направляющую рядом с призмой. Упираем индикатор в патрон по внешней стороне. И тянем вверх...
Тот станок по жесткости ближе к европейцам, чем нормальный 16К20
After grinding, is the result precise again? And does it reduce the size of the bed because it's grinding?
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If you add a sheet of paper between the surfaces being clamped to the bed and the lathe and stands this stabilizes it more by increasing friction at least 10x so it won't move under machining forces. Learned from old forging die maker, as surprisingly little force is needed to put it out of alignment... even on a grinder.
interesting
Yes, it's true.
I had an old dutch machinist show me this, right after I screwed up a part.
Yep but at least you admitted it …Tu che a Dio spiegasti l'ali @@gyrcom ua-cam.com/video/OP0-1LffEqM/v-deo.htmlsi=0NhJYnTADX3rC-Dw
The propaganda of fear is anxiety of the believer... but what is propaganda but lies to create fear... when there is nothing to fear... of those that speak the propaganda. Yes, I too have anxiety... of the nameless faceless bureaucrat... who makes the propaganda hidden by dark behind safe doors to have others speak it... for others to fear... « pour que les autres aient peur ... ni l'épée ni le loup ... pas le sang fendu ... mais le mot. » ->
[trans. fr. - "so that others are afraid ... neither the sword nor the wolf ... not the split blood ... but the word."]
Great vid! One thing I have never understood with surface grinders is how wear of the wheel is compensated for from one end to the other. It would seem that there would be a difference in height (even .001" or less) once the wheel has made it all the way from one end to the other from the wheel material wearing. Or is it so hard that there isn't any wear?
so for the surface grinder, of course, there will be some sort of wear. 1 thou would fall for a natural margin of error. And I believe a 5 thou would be alright. Mike also didn't show but as he grinds the bedways, he also constantly checking the dial to make sure it's straight and aligned.
Sometimes they use just one little bit of the wheel (near the corner) rather than its full width. This way as the wheel moves each increment or 'step-over' new untouched parts of the wheel are ready to be exposed if the contacting parts do reduce in diameter a bit. I've heard one youtuber call this 'peel grinding'.
@@tomgrant6563 thanks!
Подскажите модель станка МЗОР шлифовального. Или это продольно-строгальный переделанный? Заранее спасибо!
Great work Sir. Precision, skill and professionalism. Here is very common to realize this work. Greetings from Brazil. And thaks for sharing with us.
Thank you for checking us out :)
Love the vid, how can I get a quote on a 60in cen to cen grind. Don't need scraped. but needs about .018 removed. It's a polish andrychowska Tue 40, would be amazing renewed and working the next couple generations.
Where are you located?
@@StanCanada Hamilton, Montana US 59840
Will you be using Turcite to raise the saddle before scraping it in? I'm assuming it needs to be raised to get back to original height for leadscrew, etc. alignment?
Not sure about turcite. Might be too soft for this machine. Will raise more economical and reliable way.
@@StanCanada
Thanks. If possible would like to see some of the process you decide to go with.
@@StanCanada what other options are there ?
@@StanCanada And what would that be?
@@toddsutton5672 phenolic, moglice and rulon
Hi Stan. Can your firm rework /reproduce a spindle for a 14" Taiwanese lathe?
Yes, we can. But it probably will be cheaper to buy from factory.
Родной акцент!
Dear sir
I am a technician lathe operator i have a dream to work like you can you please give a chance to work with you ...
You mentioned that you have ground 15 thou on bed ways and didn't touched the area on which headstock is to be assembled....... In this case how will you maintain center height of tailstock with respect to headstock.
Good video! Slava Ukraini!
How much do you charge for a 1.5 meter long bed lathe ??
Pocket watch: my dials aren't moving l think it's broken
Test Indicator: my dials aren't moving l think it's square
13:40
Why are some toolpaths cooled when others are not?
Very nice work. Kill the music
Hello sir
at 19:28 you can see runout in the cutter in the slow mo shot.
where is epsiode 6 and subsequent episodes ?
Muy profesional, chapó
Такой станок надо обкатывать индикаторами ЧИЗ =)
what is the name of this grinding machine?
We r lathe machine manufacturers
Made in india
Лучше бы по русски разговаривал))) хорошая работа
и спитч достойный
Rather surprised, where are Russian machines from in Canada? And most curiously, about Belarussian planner machine.
Lath ki bed ki scrapping ke bare mein batana hai
Чистый английский 😂
How much it cost?
I just sent you guys an email. I have a DSG lathe with ways that are pretty worn. I am in Canada as well it would be awesome if you guys could regrind the ways for me.
Which part of canada are you located?
Сколько часов ушло на выставление и прочее вспомогательное время? Вы все русские?
Такое ощущение что человек говорит на Русском, хотя на Английском. Хотяяяяяя, по акценту это точно Russian Lathe Gangsta Mafia))))
Це не те шо мете,
А те шо вие !
У комментатора ,явно русский акцент
Весь мир латает старые станки СССР😂
Зачем вам советские станки?
Русский акцент ни с чем не спутаешь
русский????
Где сейчас Stan _Canada находиться. Я работал в Toronto до 2003 года.
ВАЩЕ НЕ ПОНЯЛ ЗАЧЕМ ВЫ НЕ РАБОЧИЕ ПОВЕРХНОСТИ МЕРЯЕТЕ
Is it me, or did Canadians never really have any known machine building brands? It's like they imported everything. Oh and they loved importing for cheap from eastern european socialist countries.
Why so serious comment
Are you referring to the same Canada that exported nuclear power technology across the world, including Eastern Europe ? I am from Eastern Europe and in the 80's I used to work for a company that implemented for the first time nuclear power technology, called "Candu", in my country (Romania). The first reactor was completed then, and the following 2 reactors in 2000's. So you see, if what you say is true -that Canada imports cheap machinery from Eastern Europe- and also I know for a fact that what I said is true-, it follows that Canadians were really smart : importing low value added machinery and exporting high value added technology. I would have rather had it the other way round.
Square is square, its not like he's grinding and lapping gage blocks lmao. Tolerance across the long bed of the machine is probably below 5 tenths from end to end which is enough to true up smaller (still big) engine lathe beds to zero them out. 5 tenths (.0005") across 20 feet is barely a tenth (.0001") over 4 feet. 25 millionths per foot...
@@mihailfelixdumitresc I'm only talking about machining machinery. Canada has many innovative companies - but I'm not talking about them.
@@chronokoks Well...there is Standard Modern as a start. Seen a few Timken factories in Ontario.
Ты из россии что-ли?)
у ведущего английский язык явно не родной
И?
Milling machine for grinding🤔 no thanks
It was before, but we modded this machine so its capable of doing it.
If its straight and true, why not? It's not like he's milling with a drill press. Anatomically a grinder and mill are very similar, especially considering the long ways. However some grinders have the bed merely sliding across the top of the v ways, whereas mills have box ways or dovetails. Regardless, as stated, the importance is in the trueness of the machine ways and the spindle
Приятно видеть советские станки в Канаде. Мзор если не ошибся. Ведущего выдает страшный рязанский акцент
Нельзя шлифовать призматические части без охлаждения а также за базу не берётся призматическая направляющая моё пожелани автор чтобы начал читать литературу