Hybrid Tents That Excel At EVERYTHING!
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Didn’t Moosejaw just get bought up by somebody else or do I have my companies mixed up?
@@JasonWicklund umm yeah
Watched a ton of your videos last year and you sold me on the Nemo Hornet Elite. I bought the 1p version and do not regret the purchase. Weight and how small it packs down was the main selling point. Also being able to pitch the tent just about anywhere because of the small footprint was another reason for the purchase. But, if someone said it was not the tent for them, I'd certainly understand. Seems like each UL tent has 3-4 great selling points, and 1-2 detractors. I guess you just have to find one that the detractors are not a deal breaker.
This is a good explanation of the designs. And shortcomings. Can you review ‘3 person’ tents for backpacking couples who want lightweight room for 25 inch pads & a little gear inside?
Semi-freestanding tents: all the drawbacks in a single package!
I honestly feel the Tarptent Double Rainbow Ultra is the best in this category. The fabric won't absorb water like the silnylon competitors, its in the middle in regards to price and weight and it will fit two 25" rectangular pads. Not to mention, it always preferable to support the small companies.
Love my double rainbow!
It absolutely does not fit two 25” pads. I found this out the hard way from personal experience, despite the 50” width listed on their website
I’d like to take a look at the Double Rainbow. TarpTent has started loaning me tents for review but I haven’t had a chance to check out the double rainbow.
@@CAM-hc8ip mine fits two. There’s no additional room, but they do fit.
Agree on TT Double Rainbow Li!
The nemo also packs down incredibly small, which was the main selling factor for me.
I love my Alto TR2 and even more so after I purchased the above head storage loft for it. I wish it came standard like the tiger wall, but it's my go to tent not named X-Mid
I managed to pick up a Forclaz MT900 last year for £100 and it's great. Sort of a copy of a different MSR and weighs about 1.8kg so probably not a competior here.
Some lovely features in those tents that would be really nice to have - that light bar is awesome!
The main thing I like about mine though is the storage area in the vestibule. I've never seen it anywhere else and it makes a huge difference in a rainy area like mine.🙂
Dude, you just compared 6 tents in less than 9 minutes. Nice editing!
Your video could not have come at a better time... 😊 I've been saving up for months now, but haven't bought anything... Simply because I didn't know which tent to go with.
I've decided on the Big Agnes.
I'll definitely buy from Moosejaw and support you.
Again, thank you. Your videos makes a difference!
I have the Slingfin Portal 2 on my to-buy this year.
I love my TarpTent Dipole Li. It is expensive but roomy and extremely light.
Do you have any interest in making a video on real budget tents such as the naturehike cloud up 2 or something similar? I'm really interested in your opinions on that gear.
Yeah. I’d love to do that…just need to get the tents
There's a young woman based in the Phillipines, I believe, who has a channel called Camping Guidance. She specializes in reviewing budget tents. She does a good job imo. And she's not sponsored.
Nice work dude! Good comparison.
Moosejaw has a fantastic box artist.... As in drawing on someone's box with a sharpie. Some are really clever and hilarious.
For me the most important feature of a tent is if I leave the rain fly open, the roof has to cover the entrance. So if it's raining lightly or just misting, the top can be left open for better ventilation. Also, if you need to leave the tent while it's raining it's not raining into the tent as you open the rain fly
Always good, Steve. Thanks.
If I had to pick one, it would the be the BA. I don't have that particular tent but have all those wonderful pockets. I did have problems with seam tape coming off on a couple tents and BA had my back. Moose Jaw did as well! I'd seriously looked at a Nemo but the high cut out fly just got my skivvies in a bunch. Too much concern about crud blowback on the tent and perhaps more dust and rain getting inside. Similar with S2S, I love the ventilation idea but would have concerns about moisture getting into the tent. I suck it up and use 1-p tents. Stressing about having to set up my BA in the rain, reading that the Durston features were answering all of my tent wishes (but now I'm lacking in the pockets), I bought that and have camped a couple times with it and am looking forward to backpacking with it. I never thought I'd get a trekking pole tent, but this is the exception. My semi-free standing BA still has a place in the outdoors for me, but I want to set up the fly first if it's raining.
Great info thank you
Interested to see if you can tryout mesh baselayers like Brynje super thermo or Aclima WoolNet and so on
I have the nemo hornet osmo. Love it
Great video. What do you think of the Nemo Hornet 3p. For 2 person accommodating 2 25” wide pads
It’s awesome! Probably my favorite semi freestanding tent.
What does the semi free standing tents do that the durston xmid is not able to?
I was wondering if you have ever tested the alps mountainering nimble insulated pad. I can’t seem to find any reviews on it, and for the price plus the r value rating it seems like a good option for the price. It would be really interesting to see what you think about this pad. I really enjoy and listen to the advice given on this channel.
Dude, I just got one thing to say to you: Hyperlite Mountaingear Ultamid !!!
It's quite simply the best tent out there, as long as you're not going to Antarctica. Because you can use it with 4 ultralight carbon fibre poles from each corner up to the peak and thus get the entire open space inside the tent, in addition to be able to be used as a completely freestanding tent.
The hight that a pyramid provides over these other tents makes all the difference. I can even sit comfortably in my Chair Zero with lots of room to go inside the tent. You can stand up on your knees which really makes it easy to change clothes and such.
The outer-dyneema and inner-mesh solution is also genius, because it almost completely eliminates moisture inside the tent because of the air flow. Keeping the tent warm (enough to take off your isolation layer) in winter is also easy, by putting a reflective emergency sheet on two or three of the walls inside the inner tent, and using a gas burner to heat it up.
I bought my first Ultamid (2) back when Hyperlite Mountaingear still was a cottage garage style business, and I've never looked back. In fact, I've just gotten me a Ultamid 4 too, as to have a bit more comfort when we're two, and my little Jack Russell terrier dog.
And, in addition to all that, it weighs next to nothing. I think my complete setup with carbon poles (which is really just the cheapest carbon avalanche search poles I could find. Well, the ones with the best price to weight ratio anyway.) and the inner foil still comes in at under 2 kilos.
In fact, it's so light that I've granted myself the luxury of having the Exped Megamat 12 Wide Long sleeping mat, which weighs in at a hefty 1,2 kilos, but boy is that a sweet thing to lay your weary body down on at the end of a long day. It's more like a bed, and since it's 12 cm thick and all its no problems with uneven ground or rocks and roots and such. With a true R-value of 5.4 it can be used with just a quilt, and thus actually feel like you're actually slepping in a bed.
I'm a Norwegian btw, so I know cold weather. I've slept out in -26 celsius in that setup, although that was with a little tent warming gas driven radiator oven, as to not having to re-heat the tent all the time since having a regular gas stove burner burning continuously inside the tent is something you shouldn't do. But this little oven thing has protection around the heat elements and it can tip over without it being the same hazard an open flame it. It was really nice and snuggly inside the tent all the night through.
In the summer you can just use the inner mesh (which comes both with and without a dyneema bathtub floor, of which I have the one with) and lie under the open sky, being safe and secure from all the bugs with a quality and fully No-See-Um mesh and bug-proof zippers that closes completely with a button "locking mechanism" so those pesky mosquitos cant come in through some little opening at the end of the zippers.
Dyneema is also completely waterproof, being mostly the plactic tarp that it is, so it doesn't matter if it pors down with heavy rain either. With the pyramid design snow isn't a problem either because it just falls off the steep walls.
Yeah, so perhaps that was more than one thing, and I was going to say one more thing anyway: Really great channel you have here. Yesterday I had no idea of your existence, and now I've watched a whole bunch of your videos, and they are really, really good. I'm for some reason not into liking that like button, but I have of course subbed, and I am a Premium user, and I always leave a comment like this on a video of channels I really like. Thank you very much for making quality content, and you're very welcome for me subbing, commenting and having watched at least 10 of your videos only since yesterday with lots more to be watched.
But really, HMG Ultamid, whichever one, with my "open space" carbon poles running down in the corners instead of a center pole modification solution is the sh*t, for sure. And as such, it would be really really cool to see you do a video on it and let me and all of us know what you think. I mean, I can't stand those Hilleberg type silnyl tents, they just get too closed in and moist, with stale air and all the smells after a week out in the winter wonder land just infesting the whole inner space and such. With the reflective blanket and the Covea Fireball, as the heating oven thingie is called, you can really have a nice, warm comfortable time in your tent - with no moisture and fresh air all night long. As long as the tent weighs so little, and I use a couple of other ultralight gears, like the backpack, I save enough weight so I can afford to bring along these luxuries without hardly adding any extra weight to my gear related to what it would've weighed if I had a 3 kilo tent and a 3 kilo backpack. I have the Osprey Aether Pro 70, which weighs in at 1,7 kilos, which perhaps is on the heavy side when it comes to ultralight gear, but it's so much more comfortable with a bit heavy load than most of those ultralight 1 kilo backpack, and when I'm out and about I'm a shover not a packer. That is, I just cramp everything down into the pack in stuff bags I've just stuffed things into, so I prefer a pack with a bit of extra room to go when I'm neatly packed at home. Folding a tent neatly and like you do at home isn't that tempting when you hit -26 degrees when you put your nose out the tent in the morning. Then you just want to get moving as soon as possible.
So, I'm not an "ultralight" backpacker who chases those grams and tries to have a base weight of just a few kilos and such. I only have those ultralight things in order to be able to afford som creature comforts out in the woods like the Megamat and the Chair Zero. For the most part I carry around 15-20 kilo, but I think I was up to almost 25 kilos on that -26 celsius "expedition" I had, because I brought some extra clothing, 5 big canisters of gas, the Covea and the lantern mentioned under here, a Pocket Rocket and a Whisperlite, and thus some white gas fuel too, in addition to food and a winter coat and sleeping bag and blankets to keep my dog warm too.
The Ultamid I would've had anyway though, because it's truly the very best at EVERYTHING - and then some, like a bug protection mesh you can use at the beach in the summer. You can also just use the Dyneema outer tent without the inner, if there are no bugs where you're tenting, thus saving even more weight and getting even more space.
I also have a small gas lantern with that mesh stuff you burn to ashes before you use it, and that will easily heat the tent as long as it's no colder than -10 celsius. Makes a really bright light too.
Thank you.
I would like you to explain what is so impossible about tapping the water off the exterior of the MSR. I have not been able to experience the number of tents you have, but to say it's the "worst" blows me away. It's a wonderful tent - set up and packs up quickly. It's roomy and has pockets where you need them. I have seen you throw the MSR under the bus enough times I question the motivation. Those other tents must be awsome.
The truth is, modern outdoor materials and design are so good compared to the past that really any major brand's option will be excellent relative to the past. You don't need to have the best possible tent, and you definitely don't need to know everything there is to know about every tent. If the MSR works well for you, perfect.
This video is incomplete without covering: condensation, rain/wind hardiness, and durability/reliability. These only had brief mentions on specific brands…needs to be ranked for all of them.
I'm sincerely glad you can play with this gear. For real.
I can't afford it. Like seriously. I enjoy New England's outdoors, and at 61 yrs old, I look for light weight...
Tarps, Wallyworld bought pads, good coffees... I do own an expensive EE down quilt but common sense seems "non-existent" when you use the term "ultra-anything"!
Love my MHW Strato.
Hi, front Perú do you trie the cloud up 2
The Quechua MH100 Fresh & Black mb is not for backpacking, but it is a good quality cheap tent
Enjoyed it.
Best of no worlds. Imo
Ik you've mentioned the TT Dipole 2p before (but not semi-freestanding). Curious your take on the Rainbow. TT might be on the verge of a breakthrough in our space soon.
Did I see Dan Becker make a cameo???
@@tsukuyomin6:05 showing empathy for the broken poll.
It was B roll from when they went to Big Bend NP
Have you tried the Mountain Hardwear Nimbus UL2? I think it's slightly lighter than all of those tents. I've had it for over 2 years, and it's worked out really well for me so far
Tried the nemo. Inside and Crossbar are too small. MSR does have the rain issue. Tigerwall fabric sags but I still lean on using it often. Might need to try the strato. Tarptent double rainbow is wide
Martmot with double person sleeping pad like exped summat duo LW. Both have own side to fill wanted pressure.
Great review for those people who share a tent. Would love to see a similar review for 1p tents. I own both a Zpacks Plex Solo trekking pole tent and a Marmot Tungsten 1P Ultralight fully freestanding tent. When light weight is required and it’s mid season I’ll choose the Plex Solo. For all other situations and those where I know weather will be a big issue I’ll choose my Marmot. Balancing weight savings versus comfort, space, small footprint, & security is a challenge we all face. Some lean toward weight savings as their driving issue, I lean towards the other and thus prefer my Marmot. It’s an awesome tent and worth the added weight. IMO!
Check out this video. It’s very similar but for 1p trekking pole tents: The Absolute LIGHTEST Tents You Can Buy
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@@MyLifeOutdoors saw this video. Informative if you’re looking only for a trekking pole 1p tent. My 2 biggest concerns with these 1p tents is condensation issues and the very large footprint they all have. I’m not a thru hiker so weight isn’t my driver when choosing a tent. I think lots of people still like and want full or partial free standing tents like the Nemo Osmo, the Marmot Tungsten UL, BA Tiger Wall UL, to name a few. For the type of back packing we do and the campsites we choose with a view or near water, a full or partial free standing tent with a much smaller footprint is better. IMO, and I’ve tried them both! Tents are a very personal choice as to what matters most to you. The ultralight movement focuses primarily on weight but there is more to consider…
@@SummitSeeker5461person free or semi-free standing tents, just aren’t very popular. You’ve laid out good reasons why you like them, but I don’t think many people are that worried about footprint size.
1p freestanding tents give up a lot of space for barely any weight or cost savings vs. the equivalent 2p models. Most people would rather carry a 2p to use by themselves and have more space to put gear inside.
Most downsize to 1p to save weight, or pack volume. Then it’s a no brainer to switch to a trekking pole tent.
Me, listening to you saying "heavy" at ca. 1.3 kg, thinking about my semi-freestanding VAUDE Taurus 3p tent that weights about 2.75 kg 😂❤ but it has plenty of space for two and is a good choice for the Swiss Alps! Cheers from Switzerland :)
In your experience, would the Nemo Hornet fit a 6 foot person comfortably without touching the tent at the foot or head ends?
I’ve read a few reviews that its not for people over 6 feet tall.
I liked the Tiger Wall UL2, but it loves to eat up the sidewall fabric with the door zippers. I ignored all of the reviews that complained about how easy it was to catch the fabric in the zippers, and then managed to zip a hole in the sidewall on only the second night 🙄
I miss the Quarterdome 1pSL from Rei. Less than two pounds and not as expensive as any of these.
I also miss the old REI Roadster. One pole and four stakes and it was ready to rock.
One of the best channels for hiking gear reviews.
Great vid, very handy! It’s a mystery to me why manufacturers make 2 man tents that don’t fit 25in pads. Immediately rules them out for me!
To get a true 2-man tent you have to buy a 3-person tent. I own an older Big Agnes Fly Creek HV 2-person. There is NO WAY you could fit 2 people in that tent. But, it's great for one!
I love these comparisons but I find myself making a table in Excel while I watch, to keep all the data and conclusions. There's sort of a rapidfire info-dump, and it would be helpful if the table was just part of the video!
What follows is just my opinion, I don't mean to backseat, but by way of context, here's a peek into the way my brain lays out this kind of info:
Personally the way I do these in powerpoints at work, is I start by creating the whole table and fully populating it, and I put that at the end, then I copy it to several other places earlier in the presentation and delete most of the info. The very first time the table appears, it's blank except for column headings.
As I present the material front to back, it gives a structure and context for the audience to put things into. The column headings give hints of the things I want them to pay attention to, and as we stop at each appearance of the table, another row and more info is filled in, and perhaps a cell is highlighted that I want to talk about. Moving through the slides, the table comes up again and again, and I see folks nodding as they follow along, mentally filling it in as I talk, and then confirming as it appears each time. It helps with engagement and contextualization. Sometimes I'll populate a row except for one cell, talk about that specifically and why I considered it the way I did, then the next slide has it filled in. When I reach the end and up comes the fully populated table, I'll leave that as the last slide on screen during Q&A unless something else fits better. Having the row headings there, in order of appearance, makes it easy for people to refer to a specific item they want to ask questions about.
I'm very visual/spatial, and this is just how I handle lots of information. It's probably not for everyone. But I wonder if it might be helpful to at least some viewers.
I would love to know if the new Nemo Mayfly fixes some of the concerns you have with the Nemo Hornet/Hornet Elite. It's a bit heavier, but has a much more generous crossbar.
I have a Tiger Wall UL3, which perfectly accommodates 2 not-tiny adults, one on a 25” pad and one on a 20” pad. There is just enough room for the pads not to be edge to edge. There is enough space at the bottom for a backpack and gear, but no way another human over age 3 could fit there. I have no idea what kind of people are used as models to determine the capacity of this tent, but it sure as heck is NOT the average American hiker.
I like the Tiger Wall, but the fabric is delicate. I managed to poke a small hole in the floor and one mesh wall somehow the very first time I set it up. I have no idea how it happened.
I also have a Copper Spur HVUL2, which is my solo tent, which at 2 lbs 10 oz, is almost the same weight as the Tiger Wall (2 lbs 11 oz). The Copper Spur has a narrower floor but seems to have more head room. That could be just because I’m the only one in there though. I like the Porch Awning type vestibules of the Copper Spur.
The main difference between the two is that the Copper Spur is free-standing. It is better and roomier when staked but it is possible to sleep in it without it being staked down. The Tiger Wall, by comparison, is only semi-free standing and that is a stretch. The foot end only has one pole in the center and the sides have no support or structure without the guylines.
For sandy or rocky locations, I’d still prefer the Copper Spur, so I’m not getting rid of it.
Tent prices are insane these days. For my platinum Big Agnes Tiger Wall 2p I paid like $450 a couple years ago. If the prices keep going up, dynema/ultra tents don't sound too bad of an idea anymore.;
Honestly, for the price you might as well just make the jump to the Zpacks Dueplex at $669.
Great video!!
OPINION: I will only buy a tent that can be set up WITH THE INNER TENT PRE-ATTACHED TO THE FLY. This is B/C in a rain storm or wet snow this configuration KEEPS THE INNER TENT DRY in setup or take down.
Currently all my tents are Tarptent models for this reason plus high quality and other good design features.
Nemo OSMO Hornet 3P, my brother got me a killer deal using his first responder discount! Plus it fits 2 wide pads plus extra room for dogs or gear!
Yes! I love the Hornet 3p. But only for 2. Lol
Tarp tent has some great options, especially if you're tall. Moment DW is a nice little mountain fortress. I'm 6'5". Most of these wouldn't work for me.
Nice review and video. It's a shame none of these are fly-first in addition to most of them not having a 50in floor. I live and, more importantly, backpack/bikepack in an area with a lot of precipitation. Fly-first makes it so much easier to create a dry refuge to escape the deluge.
The Tiger Wall can be pitched fly first. It requires the BA ground sheet to set up though.
I know you probably can't include REI-branded gear due to the sponsorship, but for what it's worth, I am using an REI Quarter Dome SL 2. It's semi-free standing, weighs 47 oz (2 lb, 14 oz), but only cost me $319 MSRP. It's a little on the heavy side compared to what you've shown here, but much cheaper.
Also, I believe it may be discontinued now.
I'd really like someone to do a deep dive on the Nemo osmo fabric.
I keep hearing the 3x less stretch line but when you look at even their marketing material the difference in stretch is from like 1.5% to 0.5%. is that much of a difference?
All the other benefits seem compared on the basis of putting your fly through hot wash cycles and lasting longer. Who does that!?
So it's better but is it meaningfully better?
Tunnel tents is the best 👍⛺
I got the superalloy for 350CAD back when it came out. Inflation is no joke!
my favorit semi freestanding it the tarptent double rainbow dw
And if you used two rocks for the vestibules, it's virtually entirely freestanding with poles used on the end.
Honestly I like my Tarp Tent double rainbow better than my xmid 2p
BA Tigerwall has my vote
Surprise Dan Becker at 6:10 !!!
i want someone to design a tent with a removable awning that goes over a vestibule. you could use ropes or poles like the BA tent to hold it out. this gives me a way to keep my vestibule open for ventilation and or to cook. i do this with an extra tarp now but would like to see it integrated to a tent.
Tarptent Double Rainbow Li has this option integrated.
@@catherineemerson99 neat. the porch mode on this tent is less than adequate in my opinion, but a step in the right direction.
I wish tents in usa would come with integrated rainfly, like they typically come in Britain...so much easier
The one thing I don't like about the Hornet Osmo is how slippery the floor is. The slightest incline has my sleeping pad sliding into the wall. Other than that, it's really good and super lightweight. The 3p version gives plenty of headroom.
Everybody has a trick to prevent this, like putting strips or dots of seal seamer on your pad to grip the silicone in the floor, but in my experience about a 3' long strip of nonslip drawer liner under your center of mass works better than anything else.
I like my Copper Spur, I sleep alone and have all my gear in my tent. I'm 69 like to backpack with space and pockets. To me the weight is worth it.
Not a single TarpTent in your list?!?
Featherstone makes a pretty decent semi freestanding tent for cheap
I wasn’t aware. I’ll check it out
@@MyLifeOutdoors Just so you're aware, Featherstone is an Amazon scammer that regularly raised it's prices then applies a "discount" to make it look like it's on sale. They'll run this scam for a month and then remove the discount and lower the price back to what is often less than their fake discounted price. They're doing it right now with the Backbone tents. The Backbone 1 sells regularly for $129, not $179, but they've raised it to $179 and put an 11% discount on it, creating an artificial sale price of $159. Check it again in a few weeks and the regular price will again be $129. $30 less than the current fake sale price.
During the Christmas sale they did this and put a 30% discount on it, so you were just paying regular price if you bought one. As soon as the sale was over they lowered it back to $129 and put a 10% discount on it and you could've got it for even cheaper than you could've when it had a 30% discount.
The Backbone 2 sells regularly for $179, not $199, but again they've raised it to $199 and put a 10% discount on it, bringing the fake sale price back down to regular retail. They did this during the Christmas sale and they're doing it again right now. Like the 1 person version, check it again in a few weeks the regular price will be back to $179.
I like your sun hat, what hat is that?
I don't know, for these prices and having to stake out something anyway, I don't see why you wouldn't just go for a trekking pole tent. Even if you don't use poles, the added 52" pole you can buy with the Zpacks Plex Solo still comes out lighter than the Hornet Elite (by a lot) and it's $100 cheaper. I just don't see who these are for.
These tents are great for bikepackers and beginners (as trekking pole tents can be a pain to set up right sometimes). That being said, the prices are still waaaayy too high. I was lucky to get a brand new MSR Freelite 1 for 250€ (~ $270).
@@alteisen02 I would argue a $699 tent is NOT for a beginner, a decent freestanding one from these companies would be better. If you're ready to guy out half your tent, I'd argue you're better off saving weight and money and going trekking pole and I don't see the point in these.
Reviews like yours helped to convince me that I made a good choice when I went for a Nortent Verne 1 🤣
It's not because your review wasn't well done though; it was. It's just that you also reminded me of why I don't like the default American style tents.
They pitch inner first (very annoying when it's rainy), and the Nordic solo tents tend to have one larger vestibule rather than two small or medium ones, which I like as well.
Also their prices and weights are higher than I had expected, especially when compared to the Nortent being a winter tent...
It's funny all these differencies between markets. Had no idea until i started watching all these Brits reviewing these tunnel tents and whatnot. Few things I noticed on the British side 1) Usually on the heavier side 2) Way more emphasis on vestibule and cooking (probably due to shitty weather and the amount of time spent in a tent) 3) I absolutely love how despite the fact that the tents have 2 walls (skins as they say over there), they are integrated and no fiddling around with it when setting up or taking down 4) Almost no mention if 25 inch wide pad fits (or how comfortably it fits) in a tent. Odd...
@@kevinstarski1598 They also don't have to worry about bears, AFAIK
That's what I envy...but not the wind and rain :-) @@rakeshmalik5385
There website is down for European market
Man you did Tarptent Dipole dirty in the thumbnail.
I feel like you should have included a more budget friendly option . There's gotta be at least 1 or 2 out there that are of comparable weight but in the $200-250 range .
I’m planning a similar video for all budget tents. Although I don’t know of any budget semi freestanding tents off the top of my head.
@@MyLifeOutdoors the naturehike cloud wing 2 looks interesting, though I'm not sure if it's single wall or double wall. It's about middle of the pack for weight.
These semi-freestanding tents all add a pound or more to their trekking-pole brethren. Covered width extensively in this review, but not a single mention of length? Where free or semi-freestanding tents should have an advantage in the 'wet footbox' department due to more vertical walls, they often give back by being too short.
Can you talk at all about the massive cutout on the head side of the fly for the Nemo tents? That's the main thing holding me back from making my decision to go with a Nemo for an ultralight tent. I've seen it talked about in comment sections a lot (negatively), but never seen any reviewer acknowledge it one way or another. Hell even nemo's marketing seems designed to minimize the chance of you noticing.
I can’t remember but I think talk about it in this video:
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It’s for ventilation to help minimize condensation. It’s never been a problem for me. It’s the same as a single wall tent on that side. Basically acts as a big air scoop to help air flow through the tent but directing it up to the top of the tent where you won’t feel a draft.
Where is Copper Spur 2 the most popular one? lol
Copper Spur is a fully freestanding tent. Since this is only a list about semi freestanding tents I left it off.
You know better - a two plus pound poorly a two person tent in todays market? Does the fly have a vent? A good number of tents today don't include a vent or a zippered entry/exit zipper. Why? Because that would add more time, material and cost of construction to the retail price.My six plus ounce two person DIY Dyneema floorless tent is 9 feet long, 4.42 feet wide at the length, 5 feet wide at its' center and 3.74 feet high. More than ample space for two people or a single person with a lot of gear. It has a 3.5 foot waterproof entry/exit zipper, zippered vent with mosquito netting and hood. Utilizing a corded loop at its' peak it can be hung by eight or more methods or a pole for support . I use all glue construction - superior to a sewn tent that over time can fail and requires added waterproofing - additional cost of ownership as well as an integral floor that can be easily damaged. A floorless tent provides the user the ability to decide how much area and type material to be used for a floor or no floor depending on probable weather/terrain conditions expected and is replaceable.
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I’m a dad with 2 kids (7,9). Could you do a family ultralight tent? 3-4 capacity
They don't exist, just as ultralight tents that you can fully stand upright in don't exist. The amount of ultralight material alone it would take to make such a tent would make it cost prohibitive. If these small tents are costing $500, imagine the cost of a 3-4 capacity ultralight tent. And I'm sure your kids are wonderful, but "ultralight" and "kids" does not seem like a compatible match. Respectfully suggest you check out a Teton Sports Mountain Ultra 4-person. $200, 10 lbs.
You might be able to get a DCF pyramid tent and add an inner to it. I haven't looked into them so I don't know if anyone makes one big enough for your purposes.
You can get a Zpacks Offset Trio Tent that sleeps 3-4 (according to their website). It's a trekking pole tent, weighs around 1.5 lbs. Unfortunately it's around $870. They also have a couple other 3 person trekking pole tents that are a little lighter and around $75-$100 cheaper. You definitely pay for the weight savings. Oh, and the price does not include stakes.
We have a Big Agnus Copper Spur 3. It’s a great 3 person tent. Not Ultralight though. It held up to strong Colorado mountain winds. We also have a Hyperlite 4 person (pyramid) DCF tent. We got it used thankfully, because it is very pricey. But it’s a roomy tent for what it is. 4 of us play Farkle at night in there when it’s raining.
Too bad MSR made those chsnges. I have an older Freelite and it is great. 50” wide across, full fly. And weighs very little.
Fun video but you didn’t include any of the tarp tent, semi-freestanding tents. Thanks.
Very true…only because I’ve never used them and TT will only send me one tent at a time. It’s a very slow process to review their tents…but I’m working on it
Its sad to see MSR slip the way they have. I feel like they were such an incredible and innovative brand back on the day but now i just dont see anything from them that i really like (except maybe the pocket rocket 2).
I’m really impressed with the new Hubba Hubba. It’s light, wide, and performed the best in my wind tests. Still poop brown but it’s a great tent.
The designer who designed the MSR products you are reminiscing about started Zenbivy and is now designing and innovating for himself.
I'd love to know why Moose Jaw doesn;t send a lot of things to Canada; it makes shopping there nearly impossible for people outside of the US.
When did 25" pads become so popular?
When people realized that elbows resting on the ground as well as other parts of the body unless you sleep motionless are no good. Manufacturers were slow catching on, especially realizing that there's a ton of people who are NOT tall that still want wide pad...but finally we arrived at that point...
When they realized that the people who need long pads also have long bits that hang off the sides of narrow ones.
The first time I slept on one.
I should probably clarify my question with a statement. I started backpacking around 2004 and had purchased all my gear by 2005. At that time, there were regular, short, long and mummy shaped pads. How long ago did the wide pads start popping up? I thrash around in my sleep and am not a small dude and I still use a Big Agnes sleep system with a 20" pad and have no desire to replace it. @@compassionsix
I’m 5’1” and gladly carry the extra few ounces for a wide pad. I like having my elbows on the pad and not hanging off. But I’m in a 1-person tent.
BUT!!!!
You're far too obsessed with fitting 2 pads in - not something I or anyone I know actually care about. Nemo and Tiger Wall the two stand outs. S2S great also, just slightly heavy for my liking.
Is your hat designed to look like it belongs on a little Hummel kid’s head? Or did you shape it that way?
I fold it and shove it in my pack at least once a day on trips…that’s why it looks like that
As someone who is new to this whole "camping" and "backpacking" thing. I can't really understand why these tents cost this much? As someone who comes from the gun world, I get paying 2-3k for a firearm that is more reliable. But as far as a tent? I'm seeing backpacking tents with the same materials, same build, same warranty around 250-300$? Is it just a name brand thing?
It’s a weight thing. You are paying for these companies to innovate and develop materials and designs that perform well and weigh less so you don’t have to carry as much without sacrificing comfort
@MyLifeOutdoors I mean I guess, when we went hickong in Germany all the time with 20-25 pound packs it didn't seem to be a issue, with a tent that weighed maybe 6-8 pounds. Is the weight savings worth 300-500$ premiums on these products in your opinion?
As a result, we lost the advantages of a tent on trekking poles, and we lost the advantages of a freestanding tent. And we have no gain in weight. ?? :) sorry, my english is not good.
$650 for a non-DCF tent 😂 with tent poles that can snap and it's not even freestanding.
The MSR has an unfortunate color scheme, but that chartreuse and electric blue monstrosity is okay?
Haha. Yeah I don’t mind the chartreuse. Even if I had to look that word up to know what you were talking about.
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Steven, my wife and I used the tiger wall 2 and upgraded to the tiger wall 3 8 oz heavier and definitely worth it..