How Useful is Poison in PvE/PvP? (Dark Souls 3)
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- Опубліковано 17 лип 2017
- TL;DW
Poison isn't the META, clearly, but that shouldn't stop you from enjoying what you can from it.
Poison buildup and damage info by /u/Rhubarbatross:
/ bleed_poison_frostbite...
Juutas' Whip Video:
• Dark Souls 3 PvP: WHIPS
Shoutout to:
/ oroborotheninja
Kwibus aka DrAnger (for getting himself poisoned for me)
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P.S. Mistakes and Comments
I said at 4:20 that there are only 11 bosses that can be poisoned. This is wrong. There are 12.
Demon Prince cannot be poisoned and Pontiff Sulyvahn should be put on that list instead.
I did not bring up Arstor's Spear as part of a "poison build arsenal" because I felt that since you could not infuse nor buff it with poison, its potential was lacking.
As a phantom it may be useful for its healing properties, and can simply be held in the offhand if desired.
I wish boss weapons with status effects would increase as you leave them up, like bleed/poison infusion.
@dangitjm You can also poison High Lord Wolnir by not waking him up and instead, walking up to his hand and just poison him through either the staff or pyromancy spell. I did this last playthrough and it was truly cheese. Just took a very long time with pyromancy as I didnt have the staff. Just to let you know :)
dangitjm bro the reason why one does more damage than the other is because on is poison and the other toxic. Toxice does way more damage....
Demon Prince can be rekt easily with bleed, which was rapid poison, so you were actually not that wrong :D
Phantom dies at 6:06
Host DCs at 6:11
Fastest hand in the west
the fastest hand here is the moms who are sitting on the cable and as soon as their kids start screaming *plop* unplugged/ kid screams the typical meme "MOOOOOOM UNPLUG THE INTERNEEEEEEEET!!!!"
@@AngelBlood97 Triggered
Nah, just saw his buddy die and ripped all the plugs out of his wall. XD
i saw faster
ds1 : poison doesn’t really matter
ds2 : everything will die green before you, poison manslayer gang rise up
ds3 : theres poison in this game?
Poison was incredibly useful in ds1 to the point that you could exploit some hard fights like lautrec
Did you even play ds1? Poison was great!
Ds3 is the only game that poison was garbage toxic was basicly poison but there was no toxic weapons/gems only toxic we got to use was dung pies. Fromsoft know they would have to NERF poison so they intentionally made it weak in ds3.
Poison lets you save Solaire in ds1
@@niebieskipatyczak2242 it's an option but I never used it with solaire.
Ds2 poison was like toxic.
Ds2 Toxic may was well have been curse
DS3 poison: a very slight pressuring tool that chips their health
DS2 poison: OH GOD HELP ME!!!
Me playing ds2: "Okay. it says poison but why do i have toxic inste-" **Dies**
DS2: **Laughs in toxic**
U need a single gem to counter poison in ds2, why r u even afraid.
1 gem to counter it, 2 to get Heal
@@AtreyusNinjalifegem spam is scummy in PvP. If in pve dks2 why do you even need healing. You took damage? How the a.i is dogshit
Twitter brought me here, and my wonderful (read: shitty) internet decided to cut out at exactly 16 seconds while I listened to this on another monitor. I genuinely thought for the better part of five minutes that the video was sixteen seconds long and ended with "The answer: you don't."
10/10 would be confused again.
i smell big bs over here
With poison, you have to revert back to the ancient human method of persistance hunting, chasing your target down without allowing them any chance to rest or recover without putting themselves at risk, or until they die from exhaustion.
This video exudes such raw sexual energy
I see you under the most unlikely videos.
It's contagious.
RANK10YGO [Rata] Rata, who let you out of the basement?
Rata is about the last person I expected to find here. Its funny too cause I never play dark souls and watch these videos just for the quality and style of the presentation same way I watch Rata without playing yugi for his nostalgic humor and unique mesh of nerd culture pushed through eastern European flat-facedeness.
It exudes ore
Its pronounced like Rhubarb-Atross. Mix between Rhubarb the plant, and Albatross the bird.... Don't ask :D
Thanks for the shout out though, happy my data is being put to good use :)
And thank you for your effort in finding the data! The video wouldn't have been made without it.
Don't know how he couldn't figure it out the first time.
Your opening line is why I subbed
The lack of high volume energy and overall relaxed, depressing attitude is what atrracted me just now. Wow, made me miss dark souls... I haven't been playing it.
"What are you into?"
Dark Souls fan: Depression
Dark souls 2 poison builds were great.
infused manslayer with ratking ring was so good.... if only dark souls 3 was fun
@@jynxed66six54 fun is subjective
dark souls 2 pvp was great in general. It is weird that i enjoyed the main game the least of the 3 in DS2, though a lot still, but the PVP was so good to me.
Poison Batstaff with Dark Fog. Instant poison.
Shame DS2 is dog shit.
It physically bothers me how undiscovered this channel is. I’ve seen a couple other comments like this but dude, you’re phenomenal man! I don’t know what your current situation in life is but if your channel somehow doesn’t blow up in the next few months it wouldn’t be a horrible idea to look at freelancing out professional video work or something, you absolutely have the skill set for it.
6:30 there is another point, if they aren't expecting poison, which many players might not be given its rep. Sure they prolly have some purple moss on them, but they have to retreat, get it on their hot bar, without dying. So it becomes a major distraction
If you play a poison build, you play the long game. It's not about doing damage quickly. It's about making your opponent run out of estus before you do. It doesn't matter if they run away or stand and fight, you just poke them and retreat repeatedly until they realize that their only option is to run. I used Anri's Straight sword and resin to get bleed and poison AND passive healing. So while the opponent loses health, I gain health for every second they don't press the attack.
psh, that's lame.
45 luck, 99 hollow, as much dex and stamina you can get(attunement can be used too, though it depends on where you want to use this build)
rhotten poison ghru dagger, any ability shield(and parry shield as well if you feel fancy, it won't hurt), hollow bandit knife, and poison infused notched whip or bleed infused spotted whip(can't remember which of the two can't be infused)
you'll become their worst nightmare, they'll never be able to get those status effects off of them, adding in a storyteller staff for field control will just make it better if you know when to use it.
the playstyle is pretty simple, use the ghru dagger till they're poisoned, change to the bandit knife to use as main, if they get close a lot, parry, dodge or use the staff to put some distance between you and him, if they use cover to try and cure themselves, use the staff and the whip to keep them on their toes, if they keep on playing defensive, just keep on hitting em with your dagger, eventually they'll succumb to either the poison or bleed.
note: the ghru dagger has the sole purpose of inflicting poison, the whip serves only to make them panic seeing that it makes both statuses go up and that it goes through walls, same goes for the staff which most likely won't poison them, also being the bandit knife hollow you can buff it with whatever you like, you may also get only 40 luck and have a hollow shield in your left hand.
Quick inventory management, no need for hot bar
Jesse Smith lmao what I can use poison moss without placing it in my bar. Just click “use”
Probably*
"W-We just didn't want players to sit back on DoT damage!"
Yet Pestilent Mercury is one of the most powerful boss-slayers in the game.
C'mon, FROMSoft, bring back DkSII poison mechanics.
bring back literally everything that ds2 did, maybe that will fix the game
@@abrahamrangel2326 not everything but a lot of stuff definetly
Tactical Camper
I feel like DS2 had the most balanced pvp by the end of its life cycle. I still go on and pvp because I find it more fun than 3’s and more consistent in terms of match finding than Bloodborne.
@@thegreatpugtato1823 dark souls 2 pvp was great beacause it had a lot of unique movesets and features, also you could make every build work. Try using Yorshka's spear in dark souls 3, on a proper build it deals like 100dmg per hit and there's way more of these "joke" weapons in 3
Tactical Camper poise is non existent in ds 3 too... Tried full havel sey and wolf ring +3 and got staggered by a freaking SHORTSWORD AND DAGGER!
Wow, you just made me want to try out a poison build. That's saying something.
This is fantastic content, great editing and it's clear that a you put a lot of effort into these, keep up the great work I'd love to see more videos like this!
I appreciate your words! Thank you :)
This is some of the best presented content I have found for this game. Good info, good presentation, calm even bordering on asmr voice delivery. Keep it up man! I subbed!
Thank you for the compliments! I greatly appreciate it :)
"Unfortunately for you. It is jim." Dangitjim!!
Hi jim, nice job
TheGameconomist so would you be interested in a poison build now?
TheGameconomist
I'm waiting for someone to make an Omae Wa mo Shindeiru comp with poison builds
Wait a minute... It's Jim? God damnit Jim.
I main a pve sorceror. I like using storytellers to counter invaders. It puts up a smoke screen that gives them a choice: stay back and eat crystal spears or try to stab me and get toxic damage while i run
or just wait? xD and dodge the spears? xD
@@mshevy9829 The sound give it away lol
Or simply roll towards you
@@DronesOverTheMoon noep goodbye wash your toes delete your char
@@misterturkturkle ... wat?
Good shit jim
Slightly fan boying here, but can we just give it to software for being one of the top game developers when it comes to playing how you want?
I think you mean fortunately, Jim.
(Really enjoyed the video! Even though I haven't play this game, it was interesting to listen to)
really enjoyed this video! also, the songs you used in it are really great, i specially loved the one at the end
dark souls isnt dead. at all. Still quite active. i play dark souls 2 3 and bloodborne on ps4, all active. nice video.
Still, quite active.
@@murataln2128 dark souls 2 active on ps3 last i checked.
My favorite is poison infused spiked mace, gives you the poise to trade, has enormous poison build up (over 220), and also adds bleed build up which can be paired with other builds.
I got into souls 3 last year. Thanks for doing all the hard work for me 🙏
For a long time I’ve been strongly against poison. Now, you make me want to try an entire build of it. Awesome video mate.
4:20 "only 11 can be poisoned"
Shows a list of 12, including some who can't be poisoned, like demon prince bosses
then shows pontiff who isn't on the list.
Did I miss something or are you trying to drive us mad? :)
My mistake: Demon Prince can not be poisoned. Pontiff can.
12 total bosses can be poisoned.
When you try your best but you don't succeed. :'(
Don't worry about it, I do the same when I'm distracted!
+dangitjm if Demon Prince can't be poisoned how did you get footage of poisoning him?
Slender Man He showed us Old Demon King poisoned, which is a different fight to Demon Prince
+Ionascu stefan whoops, I got a little confused since both are demons and have a name that suggests royalty.
Really well edited and put together video. I didn't know the story teller's staff was that decent
Hello Jim.
Perfectly paced video!
Glad I saw the Twitter post :)
Keep it up!
I never get tired of the music in these videos 👍🏼
Great video man! Need to do a poison build now!
Many thanks! I'm a fan of your videos! :D
This inspired me to make a low level poison build, great vid btw!
Great video! I will definitely consider a poison whip build.
Poison in DS3 is the Diaz Brother style--pressure--pressure--pressure.
Poison works really great for me actually, the extra damage you get in when not having to hit someone. If you are aggressive and on someone you can get a couple hundred damage in on someone without making contact which is great. Pluuuus for PvE and playing solo it works out pretty damn good too.
Toxic and Poison stack. PvE dont cure it. You can have blessed and Simple items to restore points over time. So if you are having trouble and are playing solo its a good choice.
But playing with a friend or against an invader it helps a bit out. May not be the best damage but you can get people through walls. Its all in how you use it like any weapon or spell in this game. Nearly every thing is viable in this game. But this is just from my opinions and experience
I also loved your video, great info here
I started using the Rotten Pine Resin, just with my long sword at low level and it has changed how I see poison, thank you for the break down.
Surprisingly interesting and instructive video!
Great video, man. Just got DS3 and bout to boot it up. Preciate the info!~
Love the videos man, keep it up
WOW this is some quality content. I thought you were like 100k+ subs while watching this.
Subbed
Dude, the way that you go about your explainations (the partizan and aquamarine videos come to mind) makes me wish that you made videos about most if not all weapons in SoulsBorne. Sub and bell, and likes on all videos. Keep it up!
you have the quality of a really popular youtuber gg nice vid ;)
Thank you so much :)
EDIT: Toxic mist is very fun to use in Irithyll Dungeon! The tight corridors make it very effective! Try using the White Hair talisman with it for replenishment or even Tears of Denial.
I want you to know that this video made me subscribe. Your awful ways speak to me, this nightmare is beautiful.
"Don't misssss-t"
U sir, are going to hell for that pun.
Great video. Another thing i'd like to add is that i personally use a poison infused dagger. It's weapon art quickstep allows you to dodge pretty much any form of attack head on, then you can spam attack till you inflict status, this is easier since the weapon is quick and will continuously break poise and even guard of an enemy. When facing single opponents in pvp, i rely on a poison dagger and an irithyll st sword. The dagger i generally use early on to inflict poison status and then continuously apply pressure with irithyll straight sword. The lingering poison effect and the frost status inflicted can be quite a pain. Basically a dagger and a short sword will let you apply severe pressure on your opponent in a one on one fight. This doesnt work when facing multiple opponents though.
Pair these weapons with armor of thorns and youve got quite a build. Just make sure you abuse quickstep weapon art and rolling s. Bonus if you equip caestus. With caped armor sets, it's not particularly visible long as you keep rolling and equip carthus milk ring for maximum effect.
Keep in mind that without a decent melee damage weapon, poison builds can be difficult to pull off.
All in all, a great video that highlights what i think is an underrated strategy.
very good explanation, i like the video =D
Video was interesting, and even if it wouldn't have helped out, I enjoyed it a lot. Cheers, you're on my awesome people list now. Whatever that's worth.
6:24 "blocking poison damage with rolls".... ow from software you never cease to impress me with ridiculous mechanic's
well you can roll the bleed and frostbite damage
This video is great, its made more like a video essay instead of a voice over some duels
I wish I found your Chanel sooner I adore your content X3
The meta is to use poison in the high wall or undead settlement because most players dont have moss or any way to deal with it
89 and still kicking
You do realize how fucked up that sounds right? Killing new players that have no possible way to react to a tactic widely available later in the game.
@@bbluva20 That sounds like a you problem
Have you ever even tried invading in the High Wall? It’s password summoned gank squads the whole way. At this point, there aren’t really new people playing through the game. I have poison on my SL16 +1 build that I use at the High Wall and the poison effectively makes it so that the host doesn’t get to have any estus since it’ll all be spent recovering from poison damage. It’s also unlikely that the host bothered to buy any of the 5 poison moss clumps the shrine handmaiden sells so it’s a sure thing. I’ll poison the host and then turn my attention to the phantoms since the host is as good as dead. Loads of fun to use, but can only really be used effectively very early on when poison is actually impactful. It’s also barely even a twink thing to tech in since poison gems, the Farron coal, and the ghru weapons are all available fairly early on.
Darius Penner I invade people at mid level 60~.
Plenty of people, in plenty of levels. Twinking doesn’t really matter after level 60 or so; you can get almost every item by this point.
If you invade people at low level, especially twinks, you just want to be over powered and over prepared compared to your targets. Invading players that don’t even have +1 estus is just sad. Pathetic even, go play with people on an even field or don’t play at all.
What about gank squads at low level? Who cares? If you need to password summon 3 friends immediately after the tutorial, you seriously need help, and me invading you at this point doesn’t really prove or help anything.
Invading at low levels is fun because of how you can min max your builds for survivability, high damage, or some sort of gimmick like a SL7 millwood greatbow build. It also makes the PvE more challenging since in setting it up your limited on both your SL and how much you can upgrade your weapon. And as I said earlier, poison at the High Wall is barely even twinking since poison is available very early on. From there it’s an elemental longsword and a high vigor stat. The amount of estus that I have or the other rings I’m using are barely even a factor once poison procs since it essentially takes away most, if not all, of the host’s estus. And get off your high horse about twinking. You act as though there’s anyone new playing the game. I did an hour of invasions with this build when I first made it and got 2 solo hosts the whole time. Everything else was gank squads. Try invading the area for once and see how pitiful your 1 or 2 base level estus are.
Everytime I watch these clips something funny pops up. I'm not a dark souls player but i enjoy watching these clips.
What a well researched video! Do you think you could also do a video on hollow or luck? Blood CCGS is pretty good!
Ur very entertaining! you a voice that is appealing to listen to and gud info on the poison thingy.piss oul
Totally enjoy your vids 🤗🤗
Not to mention that poison is the perfect counter to tears of denial, which is an almost ubiquitous miracle in pvp
I've been in love with Poison as a status effect since early Final Fantasy games. If you think Poison isn't very useful in From games, try using it in RPGs where it ticks for 300 on bosses with a million hp. To me, these status effects are Godsends. Poison was borderline broken in PvE for Dark Souls 2. Anyway, from one patient sadist to another, thanks for this video!
I loved bloodbourne but never got to play dark souls these games are awesome nothing else like them ! We need more
Contemplating infusing the Ghru Spear with Bleed, as no spear has innate bleed, the higher bleed over poison level will be handy as bleed doesn't have a timer to wait for between bleeds, and the poison comes as an effect after you've already bleed the foe and are probably on your way to bleed them again. IDK, I can't think of a better spear to infuse with bleed besides going the round of the Halberds just for higher base damage.
nice soundtrack! i listen to the streams alot
One of the best videos on dark souls pvp 👌
hello, what was that ending song somebody pls tell moi. thnx
I lol'd when the guy rolled off the Carthus bridge.
I once threw Emit Force at an Invader, and his reaction was to dodge it - By rolling off the bridge : D
Poison and Toxic was fun in DS2 / SOFTS. Shocking as hell how much damage it did there!
this is useful and funny content, i sub keep it up
What is the better weapen astoras spear or rotten ghru spear
While making my bleed build I occasionally toyed with poison to test its potential. I ultimately came to a similar conclusion as you did, it's good in it's moments depending if you can cause panic.
As I was testing a bleed build the whole time though I came to one more conclusion, poison damage is just like bleed damage just spread out over time.
Thank you! I completely agree with you. Do a video on bleed??
By chance, I happened upon a storyteller staff the first time I killed one of those... (storyteller bird dudes?l) I didn't know it was an item that I should have had to grind to find.
But I used that thing for the rest of my playthrough AND I used it while invading other players in the Irithyll Dungeons. The pressure I could apply to people panicking in that area was amazing.
I used Arstor's for a low level invader, like close to base stats almost, and it did work. I didn't have to travel into Farron Keep to get it, and leveling it up once gave it enough damage to wreck shop early. at +1, it has 18 more AR than the Ghru spear, which may not seem much, but most early level encounters have relatively weak armor and defenses to go with it. Technically you could use the Ghru stuff at even lower levels than Arstors, but as an invader, getting free HP whenever ANY enemy dies can come in handy when you have low level estus.
I run a mixup with toxic mist/boulder heave on my pyromancer and it works surprisingly well.
poison is always so underrated...
I need more poison opportunities in games
This video kicked ass.
The year is 20XX and youtube is dropping this in my recommendation
What are the weapons leveled to in the build u showed at 7:17
Finally a fellow poison user
Can someone please tell me what level are there weapons? it has to be +3 or +4 But I don't want to mess up the build.
cant you use both toxic and poison together? like poison mist, toxic mist and storytellers staff?
I have a flambarge with poison fused.. In PVE I never really see the bleeding do damage.. Can it not do both bleeding and poison against PVE enemies?? So basically can you cause bleeding and poison with 1 weapon and they both do damage?
Can you please list the songs you used in the video?
I don't even play dark souls and I found this incredibly interesting
also hi from twitter
7:10 The weapons are + what? i want to make this build but i dont know this information :/
Watching this video again in 2019 and remembering that at max sl invasions I recently used poison to get rid of tears. Proc poison, get enemy low on health, proc tears, profit.
Dark souls 3 is not dead at all. It's my only current souls in 2024 and i'm enjoying it a lot. Great video!! Namaste.
Great content, voice sounds like that of a very likable person.
I would love a sequel to this video in Elden Ring with its many status effects.
Awesome vid, Jim bby
WHY IS IT UNFORTUNATE YOUR A LEGEND DEAR MASTER
So how would poisen work on rlly low levels ?
why is there no tracklist what is the song at the start ;v;
WOW such gentle, warm and dark voice you have....
Fucking hell this is the content I want to see on UA-cam
What is the song at 9:30?
Wow i know i am late but i so want to try this, so you use +3 wepons? or should i not upgrade my wepons at all
The Dark soul never dies. Let the cycle continue.
Yo what's that fashion souls at the end?
7:33 music?
What's the song at the end?
if you are afraid for opening a chest or dont want fight the mimic just use the storyteller. He won't be aggressive towards you so you can sit back and watch him while he will be poisoned to death in his own chest