How to remove ethanol from gas for 2 stroke engines
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Ethanol-laced gasoline is not recommended for small engines. After destroying a weed wacker, a lawn mower, and an expensive generator, I researched ways to resolve this issue.
Additives are not the answer. Removing the ethanol is the only sure way to prolong the life of your 2 stroke engines. Here's how I learned to do it!
To all the concerned viewers worried about the pilot light in the water heater behind me, the garage door and side door were open for air flow, and this was filmed in the garage for better videography purposes (even though the audio was poor).
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This is one of the best videos on UA-cam about how to do this, it works, it's easy and your toys will love it...so grow up girls...watch and listen to the teacher...you JUST might learn something useful...
Best part of this process is a well deserved shot of purple shine after a job well done
Thank you for this excellent video. I worked at an airport as a ground crew for spray planes and found out that Avgas, used in turbo-prop engines is a good fuel for two stroke engines. No ethanol, and will not break down over time. No treatment is required if you keep the gas over the winter. It costs about 25% more than premium, but I believe it is well worth the cost.
Most local airports will have Avgas available. I suggest you call first to let them know you are coming by. I buy about twenty litres minimum each time.
Nevertheless, one thing that I always do is drain any left over gas from my two stroke engines and running them until they die before storing them. Way less chance of being affected by deteriorated fuel in your engines.
Adrian Janssens that's probably what happens every one's chainsaw over summer
Turboprop engines use JetA. Piston engines use 100LL. Don't put Jet A in a piston engine, two-stroke or four stroke. If there is enough gasoline left in the tank to start the engine, when the Jet A gets there, goodbye engine!
@@cmichaelhoover8432 You don’t understand jet fuel. It can be a jet-A, Jet-B, or Jet A1, or even JP-4.
Some turboprops, (Pratt & Whitney PT-6), are certified to burn gasoline for a certain time. I’ve run them in the Arctic, in a pinch on diesel fuel, gasoline, & even stove oil.
I burn appx 125 metric tonnes (appx 275,000lb), of jet A every trip to Hong Kong. It is glorified kerosene. It is NOT some super powerful explosive concoction that will cause your gasoline engine to explode.
The effect is the same as putting diesel into your car. It does no damage to the engine, but since the engine cannot burn it, the fuel system needs to be flushed.
@@edwardhill6945 Unfortunate how much ignorance permeates the internet today. First, the Original commenter was espousing the use of "AvGas", which typically means 100LL (LL means Low Lead, which is very high lead content except in comparison to 130 octane gas used in high compression war fighting aircraft of WWII, when100LL was developed), distillate
Thanks for the video. I work at a refinery here is what I know
Ethanol and water are polar molecules so they like to stick together. Gasoline is organic so it likes other organic molecules. Because ethanol and water are both polar molecules ethanol (which is basically alcohol) is hygroscopic (will absorb water). It will not only absorb free water (water droplets) but it will also absorb dissolved water (humidity) from the air. Once ethanol fuel has absorbed more than .4 wt% (weight percent) water, the fuel will stratify (ethanol and gasoline will separate). This happens because the ethanol becomes denser (heavier) and will go to the bottom of the gas container leaving the gasoline on the top. The ethanol and gasoline WILL not mix again and will stay as two separate liquids in the same container. So you have gasoline on the top and wet ethanol on the bottom.
So here is the real problem. The ethanol helps to increase the octane of the fuel; its octane rating is about 116%. Raw gasoline without the ethanol additive has an octane rating of about 83%. Once the fuel has stratified into two separate liquids the gasoline (on the top) will only have about a 83% octane instead of the regular 87% that you bought at the pumps.
So, you have to add enough Octane booster to keep the fuel from pre-igniting as the piston comes up to Top Dead Center. I do not know how much Octane booster you need. If you use low Octane fuel in small engines, especially chainsaws and trimmers, you will most likely overheat the engine and destroy it. I have seen overheated engines from using low octane fuel many times.
Ethanol also creates more heat,so if we use 93 or 94 than we will be left with 89 or so,that more than acceptable in most small engines.
So Willys, sound like you would be the right man to answer this question. Anyone else could chime in they want. Once you have successfully removed the ethanol, what is the correct way to dispose of it?
How "correct" do you want to be?
I pour old gas on my concrete driveway on a hot day and its gone in seconds.
Chem E here, you can dump it down the drain if you want but you essentially have the start to moonshine as well. A mix of ethanol and water is pretty much harmless.
One thing you forgot to mention is that in order to do this you need to use premium gasoline. Removing the ethanol will drop the octane rating by 3 points. If you use regular 87 octane E-10, the end result will be only 84 octane pure gasoline. With premium 91 or 93 you will get either 88 or 90 octane fuel.
It wasn't a concern to me if I lost the few octane points as 2 stroke and other small engines don't need the higher octane.
Pragmatic Mindset not a concern... I thought you cared about your engine
Joel, two-stroke engines don't share the problems of four-stroke engines resulting from low octane fuels. Detonation (knock) and preignition are reduced by using slower burning (higher octane) fuel. This is important for modern four-cycle engines with high compression ratios. Two-stroke engines do not have the compression ratios required for detonation, and a two-stroke engine suffering preignition will simply stall. As such, a two-stroke engine will not destroy itself like a multi-cylinder four-cycle engine where the remaining cylinders overpower preignition until it damages the cylinder.
Ethanol is actually a superior fuel to gasoline. It burns much slower and is more energy dense. However, that slow burn increases heat transfer to the cylinder wall. Four-cycle engines are water cooled and can remove this additional heat. Two-cycle engines are air cooled and the increased heat can degrade lubrication on the cylinder wall resulting in friction. Once friction starts to add additional heat, engine failure soon follows (usually takes about 30 seconds from first notice of power loss, if you don't immediately reduce throttle).
So, four-stroke engines always benefit from high octane fuel and ethanol is actually preferable if the engine was designed to burn it. Two-stroke engines prefer low octane fuel, especially in hot weather. Hope this helps. It's all stuff I had to learn the hard way!
For the weedwhacker and other small two strokes I have just resorted to buying canned/synthetic gas already premixed for two cycle engines. That stuff does work well. It also holds up for a long period of time without degrading.
Nathan Egbert f.
I like the addition of food coloring to make it easier to see the water.
I guess you do because you watched a video on how to do that.
Nice setup! I like the stool as the holder. One comment is that I would be loathe to use a glass jug, as smashing it by accident would be really ugly! I think there must be some really big plastic jugs. I use a gas can and just drain it until gas starts out. But I like seeing it. Thus far I have only had to rebuild one carb in the 5 or so years I've been doing this. I have 5 two stroke and 3 4 stroke engines I run this stuff in.
Thankfully they have not seen fit to pollute diesel, so my tractor is safe.
Thank you for your comments! I did research plastic jugs, but petroleum etches or melts most plastic, which contaminates the final product; unless you're willing to spend more on High-molecular-Weight-HDPE polyethylene (which is what plastic gas cans are made from). For the purposes of the video, glass was the obvious choice.
A chemist supply would have glass valves and tubes . Good Idea, thanks for sharing. Hopefully President Trump will do away with ethanol !
Have we not burned soy diesel yet?Regards..
Following mathmatical formulas, theoretically you should recover 12.8oz of ethanol per gallon if it is true E-10. Love your repurposing of the stool, a wonderfully simple idea that works, I would however recommend turning the jug upside down while you wait for it to separate that way you reduce the chance of water being left behind, and the ethanol should be well enough diluted that it won't degrade the rubber stopper.
Very good. I have gone thru 2 leaf blowers, 4 chainsaws, a tiller, etc because of ethanol. Thanks for the excellent demonstration.
It is not because of Ethanol in the gasoline
I’m a big fan of 100LL Aviation Fuel. I’ve got racing motorcycles, but I use it in mowers, weed eaters, and chainsaws. All my equipment is 14+ years old and I’ve never had to replace a single fuel line and they all run like the day I bought them. It’s around $3.85 a gallon right now, but considering race gas is $8-$15 that’s not to bad. As you would imagine, aviation fuel is held to a MUCH higher standard than motor vehicle gas. They test for water, contaminates, etc.
Great information and nicely done video. There are many ways to do the same thing, but yours seems to be the easiest once you get it set up. I love the food color addition! Thank you for spending the time to share!
This damn ethanol is killing everything I have I hate it. If you let it sit in a carb it will clog up the Jets and turn everything inside it green smh damn Government.
Al Gore
So they put ethanol in our gas to save the environment. It destroys the parts in our car, so we buy more to fix them. It takes fuel, labor and energy to manufacture these new parts. We put additives in our gas to make it usable. The additives come in plastic containers and it too has to be manufactured, refined and packaged. We put back in what they take out. We create the same pollution we had before ethanol.. no wait, more pollution since we are now adding things back in to our fuel to make it useable and wasting plastic containers etc. Oh and don't forget about another big lie they pulled without telling us. They removed essential zinc from out motor oils. Do a little research on what motor oil without zinc will do to your lawn mower, your other small engines, your older engines with flat tappet cams..
ssssssshhhhhhhhhh You're not supposed to notice that stuff. Besides, it's the manufacturers that are supposed to adapt their products to how the Government says gas and oil should be made.
Glass jar full of gas on a loose seat stool over a concrete floor next to a gas water heater. What could go wrong 😰
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I have a bunch of Stihl lawn equipment, I have been buying the gas in a can, ethanol free that my Stihl dealer sells. No issues with any of the equipment. But, if you have the time, this looks to be a good alternative.
Michael Wright yep my Stihl chainsaw I was running great I ran out of that stuff put some Supreme with two stroke oil and now it won't even freaking start same with my GSXR 1000
Easier way to get the water back out is to simply pour the gas through a mister funnel. It's filter media does not allow any water to pass through. Since the ethanol is contained in the water it wont pass through the filter. Can test the final product with the food coloring. Food coloring in ethanol free gas will roll around the bottom like a couple of BB's. If ethanol is present the food coloring will tint the color of the fuel.
Fill one of those funnel filters with water and you'll see they don't stop water from passing through them.
@@N1ghtF1re I filled my Genuine Mr. Funnel with water the day I received it a couple years ago and not a drop of water made it through. I've since used it to filter at least a couple hundred gallons of non-ethanol fuel so I tested it again yesterday. Still not a drop of water made it through. Maybe I got lucky and got a good one. My only complaint about it is the sump they designed into the funnel so you always have a little waste fuel to deal with.
@@jamiegull5840 My smaller Mr Funnels stop all water, even when completely filled. The larger ones pass water if they're filled more than half way up the filter. Too much head pressure, and the water runs through. They're great funnels, and I recommend them, but only the small ones can be filled up and not pass water.
I just did a test with water saturated ethanol and the three sizes I have. They eventually filtered out the ethanol, after a LOT of passes. I think that only happened because the ethanol got trapped in the sumps. Not all sizes have sumps. Most of the water saturated ethanol made it through, if it didn't get stuck in the sump.
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Great vid. "Ethanol-laced gasoline" does allow some water to become homogenous within the gasoline due to hydrophilic property of ETOH. As water accumulates (or is added), saturation of the ETOH occurs; and it is at this point separation of the gas from the H20/ETOH occurs. You will not see phase separation until enough water has saturated the alcohol to separate them from the gas. Furthermore, consumers pay a Hot Fuel Premium for fuel dispensed at over 60 degrees F, since gas is sold to consumers by volume instead of weight. Don't get me started on the .9 cent rates... sorry for the rant. Thanks.
Correct for E10.
This was awesome video. Thank you. I was doing it the hard way
So once I am done, what can I responsibly do with a bottle of Purple Ethanol & Water mixture?
Put it in a bucket and it will evaporate in the sun.
$11 for an empty gal. jug? That nuts, I get mine full of Carlo Rossi Paisano for that price. Nice vid, I'll be doing this.
2 funny. i never thought of it that way.
HAHA.. was thinking the same thing... except I go for the Burgandy.. not the Paisano
@@dexterthompson1809 its quite usual when looking for glass bottles/jugs to get them cheaper when buying a beverage.
I use the placstic 1.750 ml long neck wissky bottles for my chain saw gas. The jug is clear, is almot a perfect half gallon for fuel ratio mix and it has a convient pour spout .
The old ballcock valve in the bung hole trick
Brad g I bet you get all da ladies 😂😂
The only thing that Ethanol is Good for is the Farmers Pocketbook and Corn Whiskey!!!
Modern farmers get a check if corn goes down in price. Two or three of them. Unless they get a check to not plant so they can go on The Bachelor.
Very good - food coloring is a great idea
Cheap way to make moonshine. Ethanol is basically corn whiskey. Surely there's other chemicals in it or the drinking crowd would be doing this frequently. Thanks for the practical use video. My weed eater and lawn mower appreciate this video very much.
Nice video, but I would only do this outside or away from any source of ignition, like that hot water heater in the background .
svogel54,
Did you also notice he wasn't wearing OSHA approved flame retardant underwear?
Coming from someone who had lots of fun playing with gas as a kid, Gas in glass above concrete in front of the water heater in your garage, Yea don't let your insurance agent see this!
Works better when your h2o is double your ethanol percent 10% of 128oz
of gas is 12.8 oz ethanol. So then you add say 26 oz. of water. This
mixture also should be left warm preferably above 72 degrees or higher.
At this point shake well let stand. Should get cloudy.Then chill to -5
degrees over night. A freezer works best. Next day siphon out
ethanol/water mixture. Keep container air tight when done. I learn this
repairing "no start" in car/trucks. Good luck. cute set up
Put the colored water in first mark the level on the bottle .Now put the gas in and you will clearly see the increase in volume above your mark.You can also mark the bottle at a level that represents 10 % plus your 16 oz so you know when it's finished or if they are selling gas with more than 10 % .
Good to know. Finally we get to have what we want rather than what we are forced.
Great info, but you need to be very careful of gasoline in the same room as the water heater. Thank you Sir.
I tried this and ran it in my 300 scooter. Works just fine. Be sure to use 93 octane which in turn you end up with about 87/89 octane
100 LL at the airport. Race gas at some stations. Marine gas at Marinas. 5 gallons last me all year for small engines.
Agree, but it's hard to find some places. This method does look a bit tricky, but good if you are far from an E free pump.
Aircraft gas, called 100LL, has a really lot of TEL (lead) in it. It is realy easy to get led fouling of spark plugs with it. When the mower, etc won't run, pull the plug and look for littles balls of lead shorting out the plug. Still better than ethanol though.
Do you wear your flipper flops and hold a beer in one hand while you ride your mower ?
The local Honda dealer sells ethanol free gasoline and I believe marinas do as well.
Our local airport sells leaded regular gas that is alcohol free. It was only available from one refinery located in Los Angeles, about 350 miles away.
I. Knew the airport manager and was able to buy it in drumbs for my 67 Ford truck. My two vehicles i have today are designed for lead free gas so i no longer bother.
Start with Premium - you lose the Octane that Ethanol provides.
👍Very well done! I'll give it a go, thank you!
My two strokes run fine on 10% ethanol fuel. I do not store them for more than 2 weeks with fuel in them. I use 2 stroke oil like Everyone else in my gas. Just rigorously shake the weed eater befrore starting it to mix the separation that occured during Storage. Push the primer bulb till you see fuel in it. Set choke if yours has one. Then pull rope four or five times real slow before a Full pull. It has a reed valve in the engine and four slow 1/4 to 1/2 pulls get the mix into the crankcase. I bought the right screw Driver for adjusting my models carb, to tweak the idle slow and fast/run needles A 1/16th of a turn back and forward to correct a Bad ildle or running rpm stumble.
Most folks incorrectly assume that the gas they buy at the pump is clean. Look in your gas can after fill-up.The gas may have rust And crap from the refinery and/or the gas stations in ground fuel tanks. You can buy a tiny inline filter to splice into the fuel line to The carb. The one inside these cheap 2 strokes fuel tank doesn't work worth beans, if it even works at all.
Thank for a great demo says my old Lawnboy.
Could have gone to your wine and sprit shop, got a gal of wine and got the jug for free after you drank the wine. With that Natural Gas Hot Water tank behind you I would be careful of the pilot light and gas fumes. I knew a guy that blew up his house because of a Hot water tank pilot light and gasoline in his garage. He did not die.
One thing to think about if you extract the ethanol. You will be left with "pure" gasoline, but the lead will not be there either.
Be very careful about putting this into an older 4-stroke engine that was designed to have lead in it. The lead acted as a lubricant for the valves. So, you will burn up your valves without lead in the gas.
Newer engines solved this by making valves that weren't dependent on lead to keep them cool and lubricated.
I didnt think gasoline is sold with lead anymore.
there has not been lead in gasoline since the 80's .
@@robertlarose4321 Yes, and that was the point of my OP. But, in the case that you DO have an OLD engine designed to run on leaded gas, there are lead substitute additives that can do the job.
To make the process safer and more repeatable, get a gas tank from an old/broken motorcycle or scooter and use it instead of the glass. Clear tubing will enable you to see when to close the valve.
Unless you're running pre-1980's most two stroke etc., the hoses, washers and gaskets should be of a type that ethanol shouldn't hurt them. Ethanol produces better tork then pure gas and helps keep fuel systems cleaner then pure gas. If ethanol hasn't been used, than is, you may need to replace the fuel filter, because it will clean the tank and a lot of that build-up gunk will end up in the fuel filter and gunk that lined the hoses post filter may get the screen in the carb clogged up. It also helps keep water out of the fuel system and prevents freeze ups in winter. Heat® is an alcohal that I use to have to put in my car tanks, etc. befor E10% for South Dakota winters. A lot of old engines, and cars use to have a glass bulb on the fuel line that would collect water that settled out of the gas and would need to be emptied of water and gunk at least once a year. Ethanol aborbs it. No more puddles of water in the bottom of the gas tank. Over all 10-15% ethol is a better fuel and burns cleaner, keeps tanks, fuel lines, carbs/injecters cleaner. I have an old Homelite Chainsaw from the 1970's, so need ethol free for that. My newer Huskey Chainsaw is built to run ethol blend. It should say in the manual that comes with your equipment or you could call/email company about it.
I disagree, I had a brand new weed whacker and stored it over the winter with Ethanol fuel in it. Following Spring I pulled my guts out trying to start it. Upon further examination, the fuel lines were completely destroyed, almost "gelatinous" to be honest. It's one thing to run Ethanol in a daily/weekly driven/used machine, but for something that isn't used to that extent or stored for periods of time, NON- Ethanol fuel is the way to go. Since using Non-Ethanol fuels in ALL my smaller engine/not used daily or weekly equipment I haven't any issues! Period! ZERO! I can put chainsaws, weed whackers, leaf blowers, mowers and snow blowers away for the off season and pull them out when needed and they start like a champ EVERY time!!
ethanol does not mix with 2 stroke oil
@@georgigeorgiev7232 I've never had a problem and never had it separate and used in all my two-strokes since the 1980's. I have a gallon in my garage right now and it's fine.
Be careful with that big white cylinder thing behind you while working with fuel. THE PILOT LIGHT IS AN OPEN FLAME. Good video, don't blow up.
thats why the water heater is 18" off the floor, to be above gas fumes
Mike1614b ..nice dad..too- shay👏
Don't forget to make sure you remove the gel also.
I have taken off the carburetors, cleaned them and NOW use ETHANOL free gasoline on my lawnmowers, chain saw and garden equipment. BTW, I had to rebuild the carburetor on my backup generator because of this ETHANOL JUNK!
I wish someone would show doing an Ethanol test on the gasoline after the removal to prove there is no Ethanol left in the gasoline. I guess I will have to have to get around to testing this theory out one day.
whose lawnmower runs on 2 cycle gas??!! anyway, interesting vid but the easy solution to keep all your 2 stroke engines in good running condition is to merely dump all the gas out of the fuel tank of the weed whipper/leaf blower/chain saw after you use them and let the engine run until its bone dry and cannot restart. i'm 50 years old. my last two weed whippers, 2 stroke cheapies, each ran 10 years or more. my chainsaw has been running for 10 years and still going. my leaf blower has been running for 10 years, as did the one before that. i do not doubt the merits of this video but i think there are easier ways to keep your engines alive.
I had a 50 yr. old Homelite chainsaw that was still running good when I sold it. I always used just reg. gas in it. Wow, didn't know I was ruining it.
And you can just pour that water ethanol mix into your washer fluid tanks should be the same thing just no detergents or anything
Mine always has a tiny bit of gas in it after the process..you can lite it in a glass or metal can and the ethanol will burn off then your just left with water.
Good video. I'm sure you did it in the garage so the light would be better, but stay away from that water heater. If you have an accident and break that jug, you could have a catastrophe.
Gas fumes and a gas water heater.. brilliant
What is the lowest amount of water will do the trick? I have a weed wacker and use about a pint of gas per year. You show 1 pint of water to about 7 or 8 pint of gas? That is about 12.5 to 14 percent?
Good vid! I've rebuilt the bank of carbs on my motorcycle 3 times already because of the crappy mixed gas. I think I'd pay 10 cents extra per gallon in order to buy untainted fuel for my small carb engines. We're all being screwed and need this nonsense stopped.
Be careful when inserting the tube in the stopper. If the tube breaks while doing the insertion you will end up getting a the ragged broken end of the tube inserted into your hand (ouch!). It may be better to wear a good glove when doing that operation or use a rag to hold the tube when you are doing the operation..
Also, to minimize the risk, grab the tube close to the stopper when doing the insertion.
What a volatile, flammable mess that would make if something were to fall over.
If you go to the market you can buy a 5 gallon clear plastic bottle and set up a pepcok or valve on the bottom of the bottle and do this on a higher bench or the bed of a truck. Its as easy to come out with 4 gallons as it ism1 gallon.
Just food for thought.ive got too many power tools to do it one gallon at a time.
Great idea to color the water!!
Brilliant !
Many thanks.
What do you do with the ethanol you have recovered?
Also you can use rainwater and only need to use about 4 ounces maximum per gallon
Awesome, thanks for sharing!!!!
Actually the problem is caused by caused by the ethanol dropping the boiling point of unleaded gasoline from 35 degrees C to 18 degrees C.
On a hot 2 stroke motor the fuel air mixture should only vapourise when the piston is at the top of its stroke, not when it enters the cylinder bore via the transfer ports during scavenging when the motor is running at operating temperature.
This causes poor combustion and loss of power, so the operator throttles up a bit to compensate, which causes the engine to run hotter and the cycle goes around until a piston seizure occurs or the spark plug soots up, killing the ignition.
Castrol engineers, in a published report, recommend adding a small measure of kerosene or diesel into a 2 stroke gas tank. After 2 years of experimentation I've settled on 2% to 3% diesel in the E5 unleaded petrol sold in the UK, which restores the lost bottom and midrange torque on high compression Jawa and CZ 2 stroke road bikes plus has ended the spark plugs sooting up. The plugs are now the correct coffee brown tint.
Ethanol + Oxygen = Acetic Acid (vinegar). This is an iron solvent and also destroys rubber, neoprene, gas tank weld sealants and a few other things. It settles to the bottom of the tank as its created and is responsible for the brown shite in carb float bowls (despite inline fuel filters) and all gas tank woes including pin holes appearing.
The good news is that placing a zinc boating anode into the gas tank soaks up all the Acetic Acid as it is created. I've done this on one bike and the fuels hose destruction , dissolved iron deposits in the carb and gas tank corrosion stopped the day after I'd installed it.
On the downside zinc boating anodes, even small ones, are expensive. They can be cut up though to fix more than one gas tank.
Everyone is going to need a chemistry set so you can run your equipment
Sad, though...isn't it? E10 doesn't contribute to anything consumer-oriented. No benefits re gas mileage...so folks spend more for nothing. Car fuel lines, carbureators in all engines. Some Sierra Club nut job got his political hooks into someone 'connected'. Engines suffer from using E10. The only ones gaining are BigAgri corn farmers. Do they use E10 in their farm equipment?
Good information! However, I am curious as to why the "Dye" (not sure what kind of dye you added?) does not mix with the Gas & only chemically bonds to the water/ethanol mixture?
Food colouring, it is not the Dye it is the water
interesting video but non ethanol regular gas is available in my area for $2.79 per gallon verses $2.29 per gallon for 10% ethanol fuel. for the 50 cents difference when I need non ethanol fuel I will pay the price and not have to convert fuel to non ethanol fuel. I avoid 2 cycle engines and use battery powered weed eater and leaf blower and chainsaw and am impressed with the power and run time of the battery tools. battery operated tools are expensive but pay for themselves over time with fuel savings and maintenance . there is no pulling a rope to start, they run quieter, no fumes to smell, no mixing and storing fuel. I have never had an issue with ethanol fuel in my 4 cycle lawnmower engines.
The main issue with ethanol and
2 strokes is;
The ethanol/water mix WILL support
combustion. But, there is no oil present.
Oil will mix with gas, as well as ethanol.
But, when water is added, only a small
amount, the ethanol will mix with that
water, and leave the oil in the gas.
Now you have a fuel mix in your tank,
that hates oil.
steve
next but some apple cider in the 1 gal glass jug and use that after drinking the cider the jug is free
David Gaylord
Yes, at least you'd have some apple juice along with the jug.
thanks for the information. but all the 2cyl stuff I got including a 30 gal boat tank its way easer for me to just buy non ethanol gas we have plenty of places around us selling it. yes cost 30 cents more but worth it in repair bills
I see those one gallon glass jugs at flea markets and yard sales for a few bucks.
I must say a rubber-stopper is definitely not a safe way to have a gallon of fuel upside down inside your garage. Whenever I do this I'm just going to siphon the water off the bottom and call it a day
what kind of dye? liquid based or powder based?
Very well done. Thank you.
Guys check out the K-100 additive
the availability of non-ethanol gas appears to be growing. BTW, it's usually available at marinas. In Florida, ethanol-free gas costs about 30 cents per gallon more than the government's corn gas.
Mike1614b They sell it at the WaWa gas stations. Its got to be cheaper than the marina's.
Great video Mate!!!!
Would it work to leave up-right and just siphon from bottom? May be less work.
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GREAT VIDEO......... SOOOOOooooooo can i put this in my 67 firebird that has it's original 6 cylinder engine?........ if so..... i would not have to use any lead additives right?...... or would i?..... THANX for your time :)
Thank you for sharing that I've figured out that is the problem with my motorcycle in my chainsaw in my truck. I think I'm going to make what you made their butt with 55-gallon drums
Why not just buy the Ethanol Free gasoline? It costs a buck more but you save $11 or you don't have to be a wino to get pure fuel.
Bad idea doing this next to hot water heater.
i live in Okla. we can still get 100% gas here
Have you ever had it turn brown mine did after setting for a week?
Ethanol rusts; gas tanks, fuel pumps, carburetors
and dissolves hoses and gaskets.
How nice !!
You can use the ethanol to gel it and heat your home with a clay pot heater or fire pit or just cook with it!
First BIG MISTAKE and NO NO is putting any kind of flammable liquids into a glass container!, BAD IDEA!. Second it is very important to use DISTILLED WATER! so minerals do not get absorbed into the gasoline which will then turn into a crusty ash type of deposit inside 2 cycle engines, eventually seizing the exhaust side of the piston/cylinder. A clear plastic water jug is a much better choice and the good ethanol free fuel can simply be poured off carefully into another empty CLEAR PLASTIC JUG leaving behind the unwanted separated water/ethanol and it is best to allow the clean jug to now settle overnight and repeat the pour off process once more leaving behind the last small amounts of water. Now the fuel is ready to be blended with good high quality 2-cycle oil for use in chainsaws, blowers and any other 2-cycle engines. Please avoid putting any flammable liquids into glass containers of any kind because if you drop it or it breaks you have an instant major fire hazard compared to impact resistant plastic.
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I imagine water from the laundry dryer machine will work even better... Dryer water is almost free of any contaminants like calcium of potassium salts.
The purple liquid (being water and ethanol) needn't be wasted...you can dump it in your windscreen washer tank for obvious reasons...
You can even remove the water from the ethanol if you were to ant that by method of salting out... with magnesium sulphate (aka epsom salt)
lol.. you look like the caption on the series (the last ship) thx for the video caption..
mark vietti use Sta-Bil marine 360. Buy it at any Walmart auto parts store or Online Amazon or Ebay
I do but does that remove the ethanol ?
Nope. No treatments or stabilizers actually remove or even break down ethanol. They "protect against the damaging effects experienced when using Ethanol blended fuels -- including corrosion caused by water attraction, and fuel system plugging caused by deposit loosening".
I guess we're lucky by having a station within a few miles of us that has 91 octane non ethanol gasoline..
So, am I understanding your ratios right? If I put 4 gals of gas in a 5-gallon water container, I need to add 0.4 US gallons of water,
because most gasoline has 10% ethanol?
Get that jug for free if you buy some sangria wine bro.
Or apple cider. Lot cheaper than $11.
How do you dispose of the extracted ethanol/water?
just let it evaporate
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That looks deliciously grape flavored.
in a drinking bottle
For the best results, what is the ratio of water / gallon of gasoline?
What is the purpose of removing the ethanol from the petrol? you can buy a lead additive
which helps for older engines. And what do you do with the ethanol afterward?
David Wells ethanol degrades parts and gums up in most small engines.
Put the semi toxic mixture back into drinking water bottles. Smart.
You should distill that water down, getcha some purple lightning.
Claude Smoot what is purple lightning?
I shook the fuel and water really good. Can anyone tell me why after 3 hours my gas is still cloudy..It has me a little nervous ..I`m letting it go overnight to see. I did 3 gallons for my XR650R 4 stroke dirt bike and I use 110 aviation gas for my 2 stroke CR500R..
RAIDER69 pretty sure aviation fuel is ethanol free...
@@robhow6105 My bad I should have stated that i was using pump gas when i did this. It did clear up and worked great. So much better then paying $10-$12 a gallon for race fuel.. it's all i use now for all my bikes
Thanks for the information on how to remove the ethanol from gasoline. However, you have a one gallon GLASS container in an enclosed garage with a natural gas water heater with a lit pilot light within 10 feet!!! If that glass bottle gets knocked off the small stool in the middle of the garage, you will lose your house, if not your life. Plastic bottles are much safer for handling gasoline.
What Octane rating do you end up with after you remove the alcohol?
what octane gas did you start with?
Just use a plastic milk container and syphon through the top, before you drop that glass jug.
PLEASE !! Use a plastic bottle/container, AND do this outdoors. THINK what would happen if you slipped and broke the gas container. Of course, if you can run fast, and don't like your garage/shop/house . . .
What do you do with the ethanol and water you extract?
It seems like it would be soooo much easier just to pay a little more for the Ethanol free off-highway gasoline. I guess it is not available in your area? I think by adding water you are just making the problem worse. The only way to separate ethanol from gasoline is by distillation and that would be exceedingly dangerous to do at home. When you add water you are just reaching the limit of the ethanol's ability to absorb water. Some of the ethanol is still there.