Canon R5 in 2022: Not As Crippled As We Thought?
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- Опубліковано 21 бер 2022
- I had a chance to borrow the Canon R5 with 800mm f11 from Camera Canada! Is it as crippled as I remember it? Did the new firmwares make it usable? How's the stabilization for handheld wildlife video? Animal eye detect, 4k 120p, 8k raw. Let's test her out!
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I'm looking forward to subscribing to that new channel of yours, Computer Conspiracies. You'll see, lot of crippling going on in that industry as well!
I gotta say its really entertaining to witness your search for the perfect camera. I'm loving these videos
Kasey, after two years of watching and enjoying your channels - this is my first (and probably only) comment: just get an Apple M1 silicon computer and your life will be complete. It won't matter anymore what camera you have or food you eat....you can thank me later.
ewww.
under powered over priced
M1 is impressive, and very good. Too bad you have to get the rest of the computer from apple
Hahaha. Add a couple of effects in da vinci and watch it crumble in 1080p. Ask me how i know.
Have to say - that R5 footage looks incredible.
I just discovered your channel and I have to say.... you are my hero.... I haven't laughed this much in a long time 🤣
thumbs UP!!!!!! the first 41 seconds were soooooooooo GOOOOOOODDDDDDDDDDDD!!!!!!!!! I kept rewinding it over and over again!!!
You got some really great footage. Thank you.
*Finally you found your road to Photography ...! God bless you*
I don't understand 90% of what you are talking about, but I am always entertained. Thanks for the videos.
That last shot with the fill light was incredible lol.
"...your mom's full frame..." LOL... Have a great week Kasey!
Everytime i see your face I can stop 😂 you make my day lol
I'm in FInland, your Canada "spring" doesn't scare me. :P
I don’t do video, so I have no idea why I keep watching your videos lol, love your style keep it up mate
The hammer scenes are hilarious
I may have missed it somewhere but if you’ve updated your R5 to the latest firmware (1.5.2), you’ll see much improvement in overcoming the twigs in front of the birds and the eye focus is now much stickier.
Yay!!!! I love the birds so much. I love filming the moon too. 😊
I've learned to put up with the C-Log 3 stutters. It's not that bad on my PC, which is pretty juiced up. Once you render the video, the end result is glorious. The new firmware v.1.5.2 that just came out is supposed to improve the AF. I haven't installed it yet because I always wait for other people to find problems first.
But ... I can feel the Canon Dark Side beginning to well up within you. Embrace it. As for manual override when in AF: just use the focus ring; that should work. I never had overheating issues with my R5 and R6. I did a 2 1/2 hour live stream on the R6 once. It gave me an overheat warning after 1:15 but it kept streaming for another 1:15 until the call was over. I did another similar live stream call with the R5. Same length of call; no overheat warning at all. I'll be shooting both cameras in Arizona for a week this May. That should be a test.
Yeah John, Canon Log 3 with Cinema Gamut is very nice. I edit using the cheap entry level M2 MacBook Air and have no issues with any 4K footage. I don't 'even convert to Prores 422 to edit for the channel... Cheap and easy.
I also use the manual focus on with the 800mm most of the time, accept for squirrels... need af for them ;)
@@OrdinaryFilmmaker You have early access to the new M2 eh? ;)
Your summer is our winter.
I love that opening.
Use a back button for eye detection and set half-press or another back button for your other AF selection can help you regain focus.
Hi Kasey, just a thought with Olympus stabilisation, have you updated the camera's and lens firmware. I found it made a difference.
I keep tracking and eye AF on the front shutter button and I assigned a back button to single point auto focus. That way you can pick out a subject in a busy background on those times when you need to. I also have a backbutton set up just to drop the shutter speed and the iso. The back buttons will override the front button if you hold one of them down 1st. That way I'm ready for anything. You're getting into wildlife from the video end but I bet you'll be taking still photos soon!
And that wouldn't work for video.
@@cameraconspiracies This also works in movie mode, you only need to assign a key with normal focus and eye tracking under another key
@@RKusz I'm talking about him half pressing the shutter. And holding down a button while recording doesn't sound like a great solution.
You are so flipping funny. I can’t even.
We have a friend with an R5 and that thing heats up pretty bad in the desert in summer.
No problems with mine and I shoot in the desert as well as tropics pretty often. Just got back from shooting in Punta Cana. I have shot at 123 degrees in the desert as well
Have you tried out the 1.4x teleconverter on the fuji 70-300 yet? I know you don't like TCs but everyone keeps banging on about how good that lens is with it.
Wait, are you sure the G-Master lens prepped you to sling the Canon with ease OR was it the Monkey Strength-Master program?
Also, Tim Cook, please get this professional a M1 Ultra Max Studio. We need 10 bit goodness in our hearts.
And also, where the frick have the street crossings gone????
Use C-Log3 in this 3rd mode compressed (light IPB) is less bitrate but easy to edit, the quality is practically lossless. Additionally, you can use cropp mode, thanks to which you will have even greater range
😂😂😂😂 the cripple hammer 😂😂
So the seemingly trendy pronunciation of str as shtr arrived in Canada too? I have a question for native speakers: How do you perceive it? As a trend that comes and goes? Or does it have a longer history? And do you perceive it as natural? Because this way people in my country talk to babies 🙂
This is some national geographic level shit.
You can program the Canon R5 so you have the normal focus mode integrated in the eye af. Everytime the eye fails you can help the eye just a little so it gets the animal back in focus.
Can you explain which setting that is?
@@MusaonYT basically you have to stick the eye af to a button. So everytime you press and hold that button you activate the eye af. If you are using the normal focus mode where you control your focus points you can direct the eye af to all this points. I am using this method on my two R5s for wedding.
So I can always choose the person my camera has to follow. Wich face it hase to follow.
This method works on animal I detect too.
@@MusaonYT sometimes when my camera can't find a animal in the picture I just direct the eye af manually to that exact point and then the cam snaps and follows it perfektly. Basically in this method you are using both focus modes at the same time.
@@MusaonYT I am using the AFON button for this method. So my thump is always Ready to aktivate and hold the eye af ( I hope my English was okay)
@@momenteimlicht3375 Thanks
Sell a lens. You can get an M1 Mac and a new pair of parachute pants.
Would be nice if you could compared the R5 and R5C images...
"Sticky situations like where there are twigs"....I see what you did there 😂😁
Hope someone gets you an atomos setup and work w sync modules / multi cam bird watchin in prores raw hq 4k 60. Love to hear what you get outa that
I admire your masculinity that lends itself to the heavier setup!
What kind of computer would you need for that?
You can upgrade easily your 6 core AMD CPU with another one with 12 or 16 cores.
Hopefully you updated to the 1.52 Firmware and also get the 1200 L
The M1 macbook pro base model is a game changer, time to sell one of those pricey lenses and pick one up Kasey! This guy's comment on that video says Cannon 8k video is editable on the new mac's though...
A man who's profile name matches his comment.
But it still sucks that we have to buy 5000$ editing machine because canon cant do codecs😕
We live right up the road from the fire station so we hear sirens a lot too.
Lol.... This dude cracks me up
I can see digital artifacts in the wall. Did you color-grade 8-bit footage? It looks really bad.
I think it´s called touch and drag ....
you smoosh your clumsy finger on the display (while looking through the viewfinder) to the point you want the focus ... et voila
i recomend the full screen/relativ
If I had the money, I would definitely buy the Canon R5. Unfortunately I have to stick with my 80D. 👍😲🇮🇪🇨🇦
Wow that hammer was funny!
Do Insta360 RS vs GoPro 10. That would be great comparison.
Cool
That intro!
If you are venturing back into Fuji, you should see if Camera Canada would loan you the Laowa 65mm f/2.8 2 to 1 Macro. The roaches behind your refrigerator will look glorious. ;)
have you ever thought about upgrading your processor in you computer it would help editing video
I can edit Sony's 4k 120p 10 bit 4:2:2 footage no problem. My computer isn't the problem, it's Canon's terrible codecs. Even this guy got the New M1 Ultra to freeze with Canon R5 footage ua-cam.com/video/LTVdfrNdsSM/v-deo.html
@@cameraconspiracies For the R5, you specifically need hardware accelerated support for HVEC 4:2:2 10-bit. Currently no AMD and Nvidia GPUs have that specific feature. Since those GPUs don't support that, it's incredibly slow and falls back to hitting the CPU.
The newest generation of Intel CPUs, (i9-12900k for example) as long as it's a model with an integrated GPU do have specific support for HVEC 4:2:2 10-bit. Any laptop with an Intel Xe GPU can do this as well.
As far as I know, the only other option, as you mentioned is the Apple M1 series. Which, are genuinely incredible systems too.
The the 600 RF F4 heh it’s very doable hand held. If you hit the gym for 3hrs a day its easy
Canon R6 now has Clog 3 btw your photo says it only has clog, that's what i use always and it works pretty fine.. ok i have the new M1 Pro 14inch but ... bye
My pictures doesn't say that, it says 10 Bit is only in C-Log and not the standard profile.
try ipb light with clog 3
You know you really should do a parody on cannon's cripple hammer versus Thor's hammer.. I think cannon's cripple hammer would win the battle.
Dude, you need some double back button focus business in your canon life.
Canon keeps sounding better and better...wait what am I saying??? I left Canon for Sony because of the C hammer, now, because of those affordable 600 and 800 I am being wooed back. But I think I will wait for the R5 mark 2...maybe the sizzle will be fixed by then.
UA-cam marketing man. Casey dose not give a crap about you all he cares is his paycheck. We live in a selfish world very little people truly helping eachotherout.
@@alphaandomega2709 you think canon is paying him? 🤣 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You are far lost from reality if that is the case.
setup dual BBF and you wont have to switch to manual focus.
Back-button focus! Focus problem solved.
If you can’t handhold at 800mm, you just need more calisthenics.
weird to not be a software developer and have a hobby that you could immensely have benefited knowing development history.
I would want to know: who is developing for what company.
I'll give you another lifetime to learn scripting but it's like algebra if it was fun and made images.
you might like that.
hi kasey, looks like you need a newer more capable computer.. seems like all cameras nowadays are using uneditable files on older less ram equipped machines… i upgraded to a very reasonable m1 pro macbook pro… only cost 13 million 500 billion europounds… i still can’t edit my r6 files coz i’m rubbish at editing.. lol.. great vid as usual…
”…they gaveee it to meee”
Damn you TikTok…
I can edit 8k raw really smoothly on my fairly basic PC, you just need to set DaVinci up to use your graphics card to debayer the footage in preferences, and then you'll want as much RAM as you can afford. I have 32 Gigs and I still have to close my chrome tabs to edit the raw file smoothly since chrome uses too much ram lol
Well daaaah RAW is way easier on the pc than normal codecs. Same thing with the standard ALLi vs IPB. Uncompressed video and audio are not demanding to edit because cpu and gpu don't need to deal with the decompression in real time on the timeline.
The issue is that no PC GPU by Intel, AMD, or Nvidia hardware accelerates H.265 4:2:2. They only accelerate the non-matrix math modes, 4:4:4 and 4:2:0. Alternatively, Apple has had dedicated chips for H.265 4:2:2 since the first T2-equipped Mac.
@@Rosyna I'm not sure but i think intel had those same codec chips in some of their earlier cpu's. I think i saw a video from linus about the few ones that got them and started the false hype about intel being better for editing vs amd or vice versa🤔 or did it have something to do with the render speeds. I cant remember.
@@jippo91 There’s no “same codec chips” here, they’re implemented completely differently. Intel et fam accelerate H.265 4:2:0 and H.265 4:4:4 decode, but not H.265 4:2:2 decode.
@@jippo91 Dude, it's still 8k and it's still a compressed raw file, so it's hardly "easy to edit." It's definitely not a basic uncompressed cinema DNG. The CRAW is easier to edit on a PC for sure, but it still puts a massive amount of stress on your memory and data throughput, as well as taxing your GPU to a decent extent IF you set the computer to use GPU debayering.
If you can deal with (or enjoy) Canon's insane design faux pas, then it's undeniable that the R series produces some really, really good looking images/footage. Personally I cannot deal with them. Hey, want to use a D-Pad to go to the previous/next image in preview? Well, there's no D-Pad, but we've included a joystick now! Except you can't actually use it for the aforementioned purpose... Oh, want to slap a teleconverter on your 100-500? You can! Well, except it _physically_ won't let the lens pull in below 300mm... Want to dual record proxies? You can! Well, only on the R5, and only when recording 8K RAW. Want an easy way to capture custom WB? You can! Well only on the R3, and only in stills mode. You want to save video presets to C1,2,3? You bet! Well, not on the R6, just the R3 and R5. Want a camera that doesn't overheat after 20 minutes? We fixed that with firmware (not really), and the R3 doesn't overheat at all!
It never ends
I'm so tired of my Panasonic S1 and its shortcomings and ridiculous size. I'm ready to upgrade and really like the R5 but comments like this remind me why the R5 might be be another headache in the long run. The Sony A1 is really the only answer to all of our questions....
The R5 has a wheel to scroll through settings / pictures instead of a D-pad and don’t have to use the joystick. So not sure you have ever held an R5 in your hand. 😂
If your using the joystick to move from one image to another than the R5 is in another galaxy from your skill level as a camera user. 🤣
Hahahahahah you said “Toneh 11” but there’s no such thing as Toneh above f2.0
😂💀
Shutter speed looks bizarre on this video
Have you tried using proxy files? I have never used canon video files, but whenever I choke up a computer I rather take some time up front to convert the files to proxy files to have a smoother editing experience
Camera Canonda
I don't know which NLE you are using, but to edit the R5 video files you should use be using 'proxy' files on the timeline. Then use Voukoder for your rendering engine. I use Vegas Pro and have had plenty of glitchy renders until I began using Voukoder. Glitch be gone! Cheers 🍻
"Phil Lite"???? That's my gerbil's name!!!
I shoot with the R6. Same codecs as R5 and mine edited like butter with RTX 2080 and my RTX 3080. It's all about the GPU when editing canon footage.
Fulming un 4K 4.2.2 10 bits ?
@Romain Provost Yes, and I'm shooting in 60fps in CLOG 3. I have a ryzen 9 5900x 12 Core Processor with 32gb Ram. I have also recorded in H265 on the Ninja V and their codec seems to function faster too. Everyone talks about how terrible editing R5 and R6 footage is, but I have never had an issue. It's about having a quality GPU and CPU.
@@JaredHoyman FOr sure, you have a beefy config... Not everyone has such a good CPU
How about a link to the footage you can't scrub through? What's your editor? I have a MacBook Air M1 and PC with i9-10900K. On a lightweight generic series of tests the PC was 33% faster. On my own load test the Mac took 53 minutes, the PC 16 minutes, each computer enabled to use 8 cores in parallel.
I've been using a 5D IV with the 17-40 L. Hand held video, no IS, period.
Good morning east end Scompton bouncy diet camera squirrel guy.
Videos where Canon is editable on the new macs;
ua-cam.com/video/DJGEDUHHdZ8/v-deo.html
Video where it isn't ua-cam.com/video/LTVdfrNdsSM/v-deo.html
@@cameraconspiracies Yeah man, I just stole from a comment there that showed 3 different vids where it wasn't a problem for even the $999 macbook air, I think it comes down to YMMV. My m1 pro 16 macbook pro flies with Sony a7siii 4k 4:2:2 10 bit, never tried Canon, but you are lucky because you can do what buddy did in the video and just take some files to a mac store and try it out I suppose! Just tryin to help you out! Thanks for the great content as usual!
Nope, you were spot on. I don't care how nice the pictures are. Any camera that overheats under "certain conditions" is a POS. $4k for something that might not turn on when you need it is a no go. I don't see how anyone who is serious about spending this kind of money on something would even consider it. Like buying a Ferrari you can drive fast.. but only for a little bit. Ya, no thanks. The R5c is a completely different story. Is it perfect, no, they never are, but watch the market become flooded with R5's once the R5c is released. Buyers remorse will get a whole new meaning.
having owned a ferrari, thats exactly what its like.
r5c doesnt have ibis, r5 is a glorious shooter cam with splash of high quality video. thats its purpose, otherwise buy a komodo or something else that fits your needs
Your content is really fun to watch bro! You remind me of Brian Regan, you should check him out if you haven't already!
I’m so confused, are you transitioning into a wildlife man??
When editing R5 10-bit on my ancient 10-year old PC, I render proxies (which goes surprisingly fast). Recently got an M1 MacBook Pro (least powerful version I could get) and it's a game-changer. It's buttery smooth on an M1 anything.. Air, Mini, whatever. For short clips, I never see overheating. Only time I saw overheating issues was extended shooting in 95F/35C+ temperatures. To be fair, though, I usually run out of space on the CFexpress long before it has a chance to overheat. RIP free disk space. Transcode to something sane for long term storage. I think most of the overheating comes from that CF express card. Those who have removed it and shoot to external recorders (Atomos Ninja V) can record indefinitely in a non-insane codec. I prefer to keep my setup minimal, though.
It probably is, that and the crazy non-heatsink design a youtuber found. But I've had CFExpress cards get painfully hot in my USB3 card reader on top of my PC.
You want crippled? Try waiting for third party Z mount lenses. At least ones not made in Albania.
1.25x speed is the way to go
Why is your video so soft
Man, that banding ruined all your toneh :(
iPad Pro works flawlessly for 8k
CLOG3 edits fine in Resolve if you right click it and make it "optimized media" first.
No shit, that takes hours.
@@cameraconspiracies You must being on a serious potato! JK LOL. I shoot everything in Clog3 in the Super35 crop mode on my R5. An hour worth of footage optimizes in about 1-1.5 hours for me. I usually just set it to optimize on one of my rigs and go so other stuff until its done. The 8k I dont even bother with even my beast computer struggles with that crap.
Kasey have you thought about making poxys of the 10 bit c log footage. And extra step but maybe it will help with your editing process 🤔
Stability????? Doo-doo!!!!
Did you set the Olmypus 100-400 test to AF Lens Priority ON in camera ? no wonder you got shakes
I don’t even like gear videos but you are funny as hell.
You know that lenses are more important than bodies. Perhaps you are now learning that you also have to spend money on a computer and a display if you want to edit data-dense video.
I can edit Sony's 4k 120p 10 bit 4:2:2 footage no problem. My computer isn't the problem, it's Canon's terrible codecs. Even this guy got the New M1 Ultra to freeze with Canon R5 footage ua-cam.com/video/LTVdfrNdsSM/v-deo.html
@@cameraconspiracies Perhaps he forgot to sacrifice a goat. Is this following link useful? ua-cam.com/video/zWaFOQTbZ88/v-deo.html
I have R5. Only Davinci has problem playing back the R5 codec. Use Final Cut or Premier. Just use Davinci for color
That involves either buying a mac, or paying monthly for Premiere...
Pull the trigger. Get an M1 or whatever they are called.
I'll just pretend you got that 800mm because of my previous comments hahaha FINALLY.Pump your ISO for some "magic" :P. Also I adore canon colors but I think thats a personal preference. Canon Raw is lovely. If you wanna see something sharper, try a leica.
So - get a new computer - you seem to spend quite a bit on camera and lens - what another 2k on a computer?
I can edit Sony's 4k 120p 10 bit 4:2:2 footage no problem. My computer isn't the problem, it's Canon's terrible codecs. Even this guy got the New M1 Ultra to freeze with Canon R5 footage ua-cam.com/video/LTVdfrNdsSM/v-deo.html
@@cameraconspiracies Codecs are not really made for editing. codecs are there to decrease filesize. the issue is the real time encoding on the CPU side. depending how efficient the file is decoded. The reason why you can edit the 10bit 4.2.2 on the Sony 4k 120p file is. its only 280Mbps. while the Canon file contains MUCH more data to be encoded.
The 4K HQ 10bit on the R5 is already at 810 Mbps at 60p. and at 410 Mbps at 24p. you probably not just need a fast CPU and GPU to handle these massive amount of data but also a fast SSD drive. a normal SATA SSD can handle only 500mbs max(and thats only writing speed). you better get a M.2 Gen 4 SSD for files like that.
You rather should look at the RAW Light solution in the R5. since it is not decoded it should be easier to handle on your machine(even tho the filesize is massive).
jeez - again, u want the 100-500 and the r6 - unfortunately then your channel is over - so ....carry-on.
I might be in the minority here but I really don't care for the Canon colors right out of camera.
Try Mac mini M1 for the file. Base config is sufficient for Canon footages.