Strand Titan is Still S Tier (What About Wishful Ignorance)
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- Strand Titan is Still S Tier (What About Wishful Ignorance)
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Exotic class items do not work on any subclass except prismatic
That’s a huge overlook idk how he didn’t realise it
Video title specifies STRAND titan ya melon. It’s like you’re responding to an argument that wasn’t made 😂
@@Mattlife97 That’s the problem. At around 1:55 he talks about pairing inmost light with syntho together, which is fine on its own cause you’d just assume he means on Prismatic, but then he mentions for getting your grapple back like 15 seconds later which you can’t get on Prismatic Titan
@Mattlife97 yea. And Ehroar talks about using the exotic class item on Strand Titan. Which doesn't work. You melon.
@@CB-mr1ciit's not a huge overlook when prismatic frenzied blade melee (without woven mail or banner of war) still does more damage than wishful exotic melee damage.
The exotic class items do not work outside prismatic.
they do now
@@snomel7276 Wait fr?
@@snomel7276 me when i spread misinformation
@@legendgamer45no
S Tier is just a lie.
10:02 Not gonna lie when he said "comparing it to Prismatic hunter is not even fair" that hurt my Titan pride more than it should have 😂 you gotta love how bungie nerfs strand Titan just to drop Prismatic hunter been better on all ways.
and whats worse is they gave hunters synthocepts
I just go to the gym to let out all the bullshit Bungie do to us Titan. And comeback to teach my Hunter friend how to be a titan with a syntho mind-set
You guys had strand titan for a year, I bet hunters will get nerfed to the ground, at least that punchy build along with stompies in around a week or so
@@Bonesmx11 we'll see. This time, it's more complicated for bungie to neft this hunter build
@@trankhoa5248 that is true we’ll have to see but I have a feeling it’ll either be a killer nerf or barely a scratch with no in between
Pris titan wishes it was as good as strand titan. Banner and into the fray is just way too good of a combo for a melee build
Pretty much that
Chad Strand Titan vs. Virgin Primatic Titan
Cant wait for the synthos nerf next week followed by the liars handshake buff
We can only wish.
Why would syntho get another nerf
@@BADASS668because they’re still good. And fun-ish.
@@BADASS668 because prismatic hunter is broken
I play all 3 subclasses. Last year, stasis Titans dominated PvE and arc Titans dominated PvP. It took a very long time before a nerf occurred. Stop complaining when other subclass builds are currently better than one you use. Try other subclasses. It’s free to do so
Who gon tell em
I feel like people are missing the point of the new exotic. It's for team play. Be around your fireteam, get a ton of melee energy back, keep spamming melee. Syntho is still good if you just want a solo build. I still like Wishful Ignorance, I do wish they buffed the damage a bit more but is overall fine.
You can still solo with this, but buildcraft matters. It's literally glued to my titan. I haven't really used synth since.
Invest in melee mods or use monte carlo, this exotic is a waste of everything.
@@maxxorb6515 no
@maxxorb6515 you really don't need monte. Pugilist perk and expanded melee charge. There's many ways to spam this crap and heal.
Trash exotic, you are better off using synthos even playing in a group.
Hey titans, here is a new punch exotic. Don't worry, we made sure it was inferior to synthos in almost any situation. You're welcome.
Oh and by the way, syntho, the better punching exotic, now works with warlocks and hunters. Have fun catching up 🫠
But you can have a 4th consecration😂😂
Holy fuck bungie is so goofy they should just remove all brain dead "neutral gameplay" exotics it's clear they can't co exist with exotics that actually do something besides show up
It’s actually a solid exotic for when you aren’t surrounded, you have higher melee uptime too.
They nerf 1-2 punch a while a go to not proc on 2 melee.
Hmmm... But we want a beast mode prismatic Titan build... this is the problem!
Plunderthabooty he's made like 2 or 3
@@LuciferMoringstar999 main problem is that it's only consecration
wormgod, kelgorath glaive with close to melee, and banner of war. its a bit hard to keep up wormgod, but its crazy damage.
@@dionicius03last I checked banner of war isn’t on prismatic titan
No banner on Prismatic…. What a joke of an exotic. I’m happy I didn’t waste resources on it. I swear Titans have gotten tea banged continuously during final shape and Prismatic.
Prismatic Titan does one thing well is melee slam. It gets old. Was running it before Prismatic
I think the one use case for the new Wishful exotic is for situations where you are unable to proc synthos (IE melee target where you aren't surrounded by enemies.
That is a very seldom situation these days
Or any situation where you have enough allies to pull off multiple four melee combos in a single phase. The second you do a second full combo in a given phase vs the single full combo synthos would be able to achieve, this exotic will suprass synthos.
And what about a Raid? Does the exotic charge your melee even as you are actively using Flechette storm? With A flechette storm volley costing only 50% melee, couldn't you just keep throwing volleys for an entire phase if you space your throws well?
@@jasonhughes9916infinite flechette storm in excision? Gotta test it out lol
@@jimmcmeen761 True but there are times that it does. The 2nd boss in Salvations Edge doesn’t let you proc surrounded
New exotic gives almost the same total damage increase as Synthoceps, massively increases how fast you get your melees back, doesn't require you to be surrounded to get the damage bonus, and even makes Flechette Storm a viable ranged melee option.
Ehroar: it's trash, use the prismatic exotic on strand
Yeah that’s why these content creators don’t know shit half the time
these are great points I hadn't considered. they couldn't make them do more damage than synthos with biotic enhancements proc'd because then there would be no use case for synthoceps. These give you basically unlimited powered melees as long as there are things to kill. Building wish ignorance this way clearly distinguishes it from both synthoceps and worm god. sucks that they nerfed 1-2 punch, these would be crazy with that.
it doesn't make flechette storm good, it's a barely noticeable 30% damage buff after 3 times which is just baffling because its not like its even a good melee
you missed the part where you HAVE to run this with a full fireteam or you're missing out on half the exotic's effects
It’s trash because it’s easy to get melee back already and the damage is not equal to synthoceps.
Flechette storm is still better with synthoceps or wormgod than on this exotic
"damage less, exotic bad" except you have range, you can easily flood the field with unraveling, constantly have banner of war up, and still pump out a ton of damage, but sure, the exotics bad. Lol.
Edit: also love the "synthos can kill a champion in one hit"
Ya if there's adds around or you get to and stun it within 5 seconds. Synthos should absolutely do more damage than these because these have much more utility than synthos. Synthos do one thing and they should be the best at it.
Tell that to every class that now has access to synthos x.x
Honestly, this exotic would make so much more sense if prismatic had banner of war. Right now, you have almost 0 ways to recharge your ability energy on prismatic titan, and this would've been decent for spamming consecration at least.
You went over flechette storm but didn't seem to clock that the one instance where these Wishful Ignorance are clearly better than Synthoceps would be specifically for Flechette Storm.
The whole point of Flechette is that it turns your powered melee charges into very quick ranged projectile attacks, rather than a traditional close-quarters melee. When Flechette is used at a range, as intended, Synthoceps does nothing for Flechette. So what's really the point of Wishful Ignorance (other than getting your melee charges back very quick) is that you can now throw out 4 projectiles in a row, at a PRETTY DECENT range, with just -15% less damage than Syntho. Which is an interesting trade-off worth exploring. Prior to Wishful ignorance you coldn't properly buff Flechette, outside of the 40% melee damage increase from Banner.
Would be interested to see this with a full team of wishful. Theoretically you'd get 50% per pulse. At x4 could you basically just spam for 24s?
Wormgod buffs flechette brother
@@riothegod5750 ahh that's a good point my bro. could be worth exploring if that's more effective than wishful for flechette. if a volley of 3x flechette with wormgod does more damage than volley of 4x flechette with wishful. im thinking wormgod would do more damage. but wishful does give melee back. it's a good shout nonetheless!
@@Brzbrngr Syntho is 150% boost while Wormgod max stacks is 275%. It'd definitely win in power plus you get a 30% boost to all weapons and unlike before it's pretty easy to keep the stacks especially stack 3 and below which is 165%
Wishful Ignorance's main selling point is it's perfect gameplay loop that only improves with build crafting
The gauntlets also need to buff the frenzied blade of the super.
Yeah I was seriously surprised it didn't buff the super, considering that Synthoceps itself does. I wouldn't even mind if it was just the stacking buff rather than a straight damage increase.
I mean the big thing is that it gives you melee charges back. Granted with pugilist and other ways to recharge abilities it might not be that big of a difference but like you said - you have so many melee charges that you kinda don't know what to do with them, when using Wishful Ignorance. Synthoceps is clearly a better burst DPS option if you just want to nuke individual targets but being able to roam around pretty much constantly meleeing things, never caring about "wasting" a melee. It's a pretty fun build to use imho.
All that Bungie will do is further nerf Synthoceps which is just an incredibly boring fix, shame.
Well for synthos you need to be surronded, is it maybe worth useing wishful on a boss if you arent surronded or is it better to just use something completly different at that point?
Also does wishful work on the super?
Oh ehroar…you really didn’t check things last season…
u do realize the exotic class items dont work outside of prismatic right?
Im liking the flechette melee in grouo content. It can be spammed, and you're constantly healing your friends . That, in combination with the new healing gun, i feel like a healer
Flechette is amazing, but another alternative is using Into The Fray to give your allies healing AND woven mail, and every time you get Woven Mail, your melee gets energy. It stacks with Wishfuls so you get your charges back VERY quickly.
The main benefit I see for wishful is being able to have farily comparable damage without being surrounded, especially on bosses like herald in the raid where you can use it with tractor to still do decent damage
Im gonna say it...wishful with flechete is so fucke good...I honestly dont know what you're going on about. The damage output is insane and not to mention how fast you get all 4 melee charges back.
It's absolutely embarrassing that they nerf Titan melee then give us an exotic that supposed to be a melee exotic.
It doesn't have to always be about damage.
Okay, but in this case it is. The new exotic talks about making the ability damage stack after back to back uses. But why both with that when Syntho doesn;t need to stack AND does as much as a stacked version anyway?
@@cadeptt In a perfect world, damage would be the only worry.
@@cadeptt It isn't. Damage isn't the main point of the exotic, it's the infinite loop of melee energy that you get from playing with teammates, the damage is there to compliment the extra melee and energy along with incentivizing using flachette storm, which in 99% of real scenarios, you wouldn't have syntho buff to begin with.
@@cadepttbro this buffs fletchette storm too at range which synthos doesnt while giving you an extra melee and fletchette storm charge. It makes fletchette storm actually good and worth using.
Pair that with the massive melee regen while still getting a very big damage buff to your other melees even if it’s less then synthos, all at the same time is very good.
@@cadepttsynthos doesn’t give you an extra melee charge, doesn’t buff flethette storm, and has 0 melee regen abilities at all. This also doesn’t require multiple enemies to be nearby it buffs all your damage no matter what.
You get way more melee spam with this than synthos also. There’s plenty of reasons to use this over synthos.
In my opinion it's pretty decent balancing of Wishful and Syntho's. One straight up gives you more damage, but the other provides a lot more uptime. So you can choose which you prefer and one will be better in certain scenarios than the other.
whats that chest piece that has the arms coming out? dont see it anywhere
Halloween spider armor
Hey dude, Got a link to the build at all? Thanks
I think these were more designed to be used with flechette storm plus if you notice you get times 3 with the first melee so you actually take advantage of the full buff for longer
They are bro. Synthos doesn’t buff fletchette storm unless you’re right in the enemies face and surrounded. Fletchette Storm is meant to be used at mid to long range as a way to spam melee attacks and unravel shit though, so using it with synthos sucks.
This new exotic can buff the damage on it at any range. It also lets you spam it wayyy more due to the extra melee charge and the massive melee regen it gives you. Fletchette Storm on Synthos sucks. On this new exotic it’s actually really good and worth using finally.
Bungie changed OTP to disappear after the next melee hit, so double meleeing isn't a thing anymore.
What melee config do i need to get an auto melee to occur while having the strand melee equipped?
Full-Auto Melee: On.
Its in the settings.
What chestpiece is that?
You are forgetting you need to be surrounded for synthos to work whereas the new arms doesn’t require that same functionality to proc the dmg. A measly 9% less dmg without having to be surrounded and i get melee energy back constantly? I will take it for sure
+ healing allies + more options for ranged melee
THIS IS NOT A DPS EXOTIC for those of you that can't figure this out its for sustainable healing
As far as im concerned Hoil needs a full revert to 10s and titan needs another playstyle other than melee. Based on day 1 stats titan is dead and bungie killed it.
What chest piece is that?
is x3 the max tho, what if u have 6 of them and u can get ur melee fast enough to keep the chain going.
can we get a strand titan syntho dim link?
What appearance amour is that?
Only problem is Titan needs a lot more skill to do the best dps and other 2 classes are free. And the risk reward in endgame content is not great with any melee build. Titans are fundamentally a flawed design as a melee class isn't for endgame period.
but for that matter a lot more crowd control, especially in gms and actually hard content and actually good boss damage now on prismatic, same goes for warlocks now, previously both were heavily weapon damage focused during dps but now it's more like hunter where abilities are prioritized
Thanks a lot! DIM link? 🙂
Yoooo. Where’s the chest piece or ornament from? I need that desperately
Festival of the lost. Should be available for 6K bright dust or 1.5K silver around October 20th
@@wintereclipse3263 thanks for the reply.
hey what ornament gives the titan tentacles like that?
Its from festival of the lost, so keep on the lookout when it comes back
No Dim links for the builds😢
I wonder how he's gonna make the exotic class item work on Strand 🧐 They should also have called the new gloves "Wishful Thinking", just to really rub it in how shit titan is 🤣
Wishful Ignorance damage buff should last and stack until banner of war runs out, and work on the super, getting a kill grants an extra stack, fixed the exotic.
I don't use into the fray. I use flechette storm and do about as much damage as a blade barrage.
Does spirit of inmost light not give ability damage like the main exotic?
They do but it works once, then you have to cycle class ability and grenade to get the melee damage boost back, if you are spamming melees it only works for the first hit I think
I wanna see a team of 6 titans with wishful and just spamming 12 punch melees
What armor set is this? So cool.
Crawling Chaos Plate
Titan main my whole life, but prismatic titan is so bad it’s crazy, everything we have is nerfed bad,
Warlock and Hunter is just so much stronger, better and more fun rn
did you even try prismatic titan? having 3 consencration slams is insanly good, combined with the suppression grenade or the shackle and the fragment which makes you deal more dmg against targets afflicted with darkness debuffs and aditionally to that, having knockout is really good
@@bratanbanana4843 Lemme stop you right there chief.
Consecration is the issue. That and knockout are our only good fragments. Everything else is trash.
WE NEED A REAL WITNESS DAMAGE BUILD FOR TITANS 😢 PLZ
Microcosm + Hazardous Propulsion for extra free damage
@@LordTonzilla basic
Either axes with star eater or hazardous propulsion is as good as it gets
Hazardous propulsion + grand overture. Use shoot to loot retraced path to reload grand overture (slow reload is prob worst part about the gun) and to stack exodus rocket charges by precision hitting big targets (and applying voltshot).
Grand overture let's you absolutely dump damage when the opportunity arises (talking about on witness), then you can restock volley charges easily with hipfire normal shots to recharge the burst (long dps phase so can do 2 full volleys).
The call is obvious slot 1, slot 2 is Indebted kindness if you don't vibe with the trace rifle and just want to be more basic but still solid.
I got 6.5 million in 2 damage phases with my slideshot explosive light crux termination and star eater axes... Also the one debuffing the boss for everyone else. Titan damage on witness is more than suitable if you know what you're doing. Hunter's ease of use is what's making them insane right now, but still hunt will get a nerf undoubtedly.
My man you cant run the class item on anything else that prismatic i wish it was different but it is not. Big oversight. Go back to warlock and let us now useöess titans weep alone.
I’m glad I picked the missiles.
ok
who made the spider into a guardian lol
Man. These are definitely fun and different to use, but it’s really neat being overshadowed at the only thing we’re good at. 😐 I’m not saying they should be a copy paste of the Synthoceps damage, but we could use a little more lol
When prismatic was announced i was hoping to get a star-eater syntho combo and boy was i disappointed.
Ehroar, Please test out the changes to bastion. I see it has the same damage increase as one-two punch, But it looks like you can get multiple melees off with it unlike one-two punch. and the damage increase to bastion after a melee seems to be quite noticeable.
But Idk if the simple one-two punch -> punch combo is possibly worse than something like Bastion -> melee melee -> bastion repeat
Edit: the buff is removed after your first melee just like 0ne-two punch
The buff to Bastion's charge time isn't though. Its an interesting loop between punch > shoot for damage > etc.
I feel like this exotic should of buff Banner of War making it stack to like 8x and increasing the timer along side the ability regan
Wishful seems like Bungie's attempt to feed more into the constant uptime slaying capabilities of Berserker Titan, but like you said, you're basically just using melee charges because you have too many. Maybe these would be useful for ammo conservation then swapping to synthos for dps, but the only time you'd need to be doing that is in high end content where synthos are needed for champs and high health enemies. Low end exotic for low tier content unfortunately.
60% melee energy back per tick. Think about a boss like crota or herald or even nezzerac. These situations synthos are not viable aside from crota. But you can compine this with a OTP shotty and say a heavy sword for a shotgun melee heavy attack rotation. This has a much shorter animation than grapple and so you are only limited by the 2 second melee recharge. Pairing this with something like acrius would probably be best and then even in a dungeon with 30% back per tick you would still wipe the floor. The regen is what you should be talking about and you didn't even test how many melees you can fit in 10seconds vs synthos. I guess you primarily play titan in GMs, but for raids and dungeons strand titan has always been the solo strategy, this gives it the ability to greatly benefit from teamplay.
Bungie on their way to drop titans 6th melee class
Dont forget about Bastion's recent change
WHAT ARE THOSE SPIKES THOUGH??? CAN I GET THOSE?
One thing that's good about the new exotic is that uptime on charged melee abilities since the Titan melee severs targets. The downside is that lowering the damage output by 40% only matters when you can't insta-nuke the target.
Yeah, which is in content you wouldn't/shouldn't realistically be using sythos to begin with. People like seeing big number and never consider ACTUAL situations. People thought this with chaos reach when forsaken dropped... And nobody cared and just used WoR. Unfortunately with now, nothing has been good for titans except for synthos/pyrogale/cuirass. I genuinely believe people just don't want new gear to replace their old gear or put time into putting effort to make a build with said new gear.
Prismatic titan is inferior to strand titan rn, and thats 100% a fact. Hopefully they’ll buff them
They could buff the dmg on all 4 FB strikes.
I had an idea, what if Wishful Ignorance could allow you to consume all 4 FB charges into a stronger more damaging single FB strike. Would be cool to see...
If it changed the super into one big charge + slash, that'd be cool too.
Wait what are the claws over his shoulders???
Halloween spider armor
Wishful is fine. 1-2 Grapple melees were meant to be patched in final shape (based on their reasoning for disabling grapple melee after shooting after grapple), so that advantage synthos has is likely getting removed in the next balance patch. Ignoring 1-2 Grapple melees, synthos is better for roam content, where you're surrounded, and wishful is better for group boss dps, where synthos will very quickly run out of charges even with its stronger buff while surrounded while Wishful can keep meleeing for far longer without a need to be surrounded.
Synthos should be better for content where its buff has 100% uptime, otherwise it'd be useless. Wishful should do less damage as you can always get it going, it's less conditional compared to synthos being more situational. That's kinda how balance should generally work.
I honestly think these exotics are cool I might give them a try
Anyone know what chest piece he’s using ? Looks dope
Last years Halloween Titan one. Crawling Chaos.
Take em into the salvations edge boss, with bow x4 and 6 mfs around you. Lot more melees then syntho and a lot more damage overall
Or any melee range boss with people around you
test with 3 titan running the new exotic
you cant double melee with one-two punch at all anymore it was patched last season
Yeah now try this on all the raid bosses that are not beatable by melee. Furthermore try to survive in raids where you can not move from a point while in the damage phase.
keep spittin, ehroar
Bungie changed one two punch to not allow double melees
What's that chestpiece ornament 👀
Halloween spider armor
S-tier? nah you're smoking some mad copium
S-tier!? when we have hunter and warlocks topping the strongest dps options to ever exist in literally ALL facets of gameplay including melee
Wishful ignorance all day! Ahamkara gauntlets look so damn good. Plus strand Titan is still goated.
When you flay with these bad boys, they destroy. With banner proc ma gawd....don't regret it at all. Though still haven't obtained hazardous P yet...
syntho is also better because it gives more damage for the berserker super
Well I think we are all coming to grips with Titan is not the class to use in Destiny 2 at this moment in time. We are being punished for last seasons shenanigans!
My idea may be wrong but can’t you spam melee in a 6 man activity if you heal all 6 people with banner of war ? In this case won’t it be better than synthos ?
Only way to bring prismatic titan back up is give it throwing hammer so it can be paired with exotic class item using both synthos and severance
Nope. Change from Drengr's Lash to Banner of War and Consecration to Hammer of Sol.
"what about wishful ignorance" tou say, but you didn't do the least you could read lmao
expect you didn't show the point of the exotics which is multiple titans using them, and just spamming the charged melee over and over.
Cool. But why would i play literally anything else in this game when combo blow stylish hunter exists
Banner of War Strand Titan Gets Boring
This video is ridiculous considering he’s basing the entire thing off of using the exotic class items not on prismatic bro is just genuinely slow
I see a Bungie developer looking at this and thinking, yeah, he's right. The damage with the new Exo should be higher than Synthoceps. Let's nerf Synthoceps to the ground so the new Exo is valuable.
Hi
That’s disappointing, i thought it would be like a suped-up version of worms-gods
They nerfed one-two punch interaction with powered melees in a recent patch. Hurt banner of war and arc hunter double melee builds sadly. Have to shoot before every melee now :/
There will most certainly be situations where the wishful ignorance will be the superior exotic. Any in which you do not become surrounded during a damage phase, for instance, it will be putting out more damage than synthos could, and in ANY damage phase where multiple full vollies can be achieved by having allies near, it will just flat out surpass synthos even IF surrounded due to the greater dps over time.
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can you still get another charge with prismatic? Im thinking like 4 consecration charges
Yes you can if u have the gauntlets on
Yeah that's what I've been using them for tbh
What about wormgod? I thought they were better than synthso's
I always wonder why content creators ignore it too, but building stacks is annoying and they run out fast, leading to a loss over synthos, plus synthos boosts super damage, making them way less conditional and more useful in more places. I love wormgods and used them a lot back in shadowkeep before they got disabled over and over again, but they have just fallen off in popularity when synthos are as good as they are
@goldmeistergeneral Not to mention they're ugly as fuck and have yet to get a ornament. Usually, when Bungie gives a good exotic, a nice-looking ornament, it comes with a nerf, though.
They nerfed our best exotic, then released a new one that is twice as weak as post nerf synthos 😂 thx bungo