Alar ligament injury and cervical spine instability resolved with Prolotherapy
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- Опубліковано 29 січ 2019
- Ross Hauser, MD talks with his patient, Donna, about her experience with Prolotherapy at Caring Medical for alar ligament injury and cervical spine instability. Anyone suffering from cervical spine instability understands how debilitating and devastating it can be, as well as how difficult it can be to get a proper diagnosis and treatment. If you are struggling with chronic head and neck pain, please reach out to us about Digital Motion X-ray and Prolotherapy treatments that may help prevent the need for spinal fusion surgery. Thank you for watching!
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*DISCLAIMER: As with any medical treatment, no guarantees or claims of cures are made as to the extent of the response to treatment that every person experiences. The video represents only the featured person/people’s experience or opinion. Every therapy/treatment has patients who experience varying levels of success and failure. Results may not be the same from patient to patient, even with a similar diagnosis, as the body’s internal status is unique to each individual patient.
Thanks for watching. Wish you all the best in health!
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I’d like to thank her for telling my story! I need this treatment in the worse way
Praise the Lord 🙌🏼 this testimony gives me so much hope
الحمد لله دائما وأبدا
Happy for her❤
I’m so glad that you’ve gotten help. I have so many symptoms like these. I can SO relate. “Painted ceilings!?” OMG! Impossible!!
A doctor that listens finally.
I really need see you .
We would love to help you Summer - give us a call at 239-308-4773 or email info@caringmedical.com!
I am coming to Caring Medical. I don't want anyone to touch my neck but you Doc.
Hi Joseph, Thanks for the sentiment. We'll be happy to help. :)
Why is there so little practice of prolotherapy in the uk its so annoying
Thank you for sharing this. We are all experiencing this as well. Not as bad but in a more serious because I could not walk. That was 20 years ago and now I get virtego. Saw this video. Wow. I was watching Dr. Livingood regarding virtego. I'm so sorry to hear this from her. So happy you're doing better! Finally a solution. Mine said sorry no cure.
Thanks for sharing, Pattie, and sorry to hear what you're experiencing. Glad you are exploring some possible options. If you feel that you would like to have our team here help on your case, you're welcome to reach out to us directly. Wishing you all the best in health!
Omg i know the feeling its horrible. Hope to god i can get help soon. I know everything she is saying but i was told to get cortisone shot in my neck but i want a cure. Its 5 yrs of torture. Its amazing u can go to dr and they say they dont think anything is wrong. She is so good at explaining it. From what i know prolotherapy is over $1000 and multiple treatment and not covered by insurance. Thank you for helping her im glad someone got relief
Hi sparkinglife, So sorry to hear about your debilitating situation. That's terrible! That is why we do what we do here, to help people like you. Yes, you are correct about pricing for a procedure like what we do here. We would be happy to review your case and see how we can help. We have detailed neck case intake forms, or you can email or call us directly too. Wish you all the best in health!
I want my life back!
I'm suffering from the same ailments and got stiffed numbed legs too.
I just had a DMX done and the doctor says I have a problem with my Alar ligament. Dr. Woggon reached out to Dr. Hauser about this today for his input. Hoping for a consultation soon.
We look forward to working with you and Dr. Woggon and will reach out to you privately about any information we receive. Wish you all the best in health!
How are you today Samuel?
How can I talk to her! I love hearing testimonies!
Torn ligament. 6mm instability c1-c2
Save me please.
how are you doing now?
ihope you are alive and well
I m alive.. but i m not good at all.. i suffer a lot. Thanks for asking.
@@mehdikhemiri1418 I was diagnosed with instability by dr sunil j Patel at MUSC south carolina. There are other doctors faniliar with this problem who can get you the correct diagnosis. Dr Bolognese Dr. Frasier Henderson and there are more. Get a stand up flexion extension mri asap and find a neuro familiar with clivo axial angle, or basian axial interval measurement. They can confirm your issue and maybe even get it covered by insurance. I am suffering with you brother and pray you find a way through this
@@JesseStark26 thank you brother, i live in tunisia actually.. hope that i ll find a good support here :/
Hi there. I have the same injury as the parent and I’d love to get more information
Hi Ericka v, Sorry to hear about your injury and glad you are looking into some potential options. You are always welcome to read our articles on our CaringMedical.com site and hope it helps in any way. Wish you all the best in healing!
I have had xray results narrowing in c4567. Been told wrar and year. I have a sore neck which tilts to the right. Have some swelling I think reactive arthritis in my knees.
This has all happened over last 18 20 months.
I am 55 previously fit now struggling to work at computer fulltime
Sorry for typo fingers have also become a bit swollen
How do you decided whether to do prolotherapy versus fusing C1/C2? Please respond. I am a PT who really wants to help my patients.
Hi Minute Ministry, Thank you for reaching out to us. We would be happy to talk with you privately and get to know your practice better too. Feel free to email us directly through our website or drhauser@caringmedical.com. In general, most patients want to avoid spinal fusion surgery unless their life is at risk. We see so many cases here within only a few years after a cervical fusion for returning/worsening symptoms and ASD. We have some videos on our channel with DMX case studies about cases like this, and have another one coming out tomorrow. We're also hosting our 3rd Vagus Nerve and Cervical Instability webinar on Facebook this coming Tuesday. This series may be interesting to you if you see a lot of cervical instability clients in your practice. Glad you are looking for ways to help your clients that may help them avoid post-fusion problems and adjacent segment disease. Wish you all the best!
I'm living in England, I don't see any DMX scans as far as I know. Will Flexon and extension scans help me diagnosing the cervical instability? Please help me with this. Thank you in advance.
Same I cant find one anywhere in the UK
With prolotherapy are you supposed to go up in strength with each round? My doc is keeping me at the same strength each time.
Hi Taylor, Not necessarily. You should ask whoever is treating you directly if they even offer something stronger and why you feel you need it. Then they can let you know if they feel you are a candidate for what else is offered and what to expect, or if they feel that you are on course based on their experience with cases like yours. Wish you the best in healing!
Who else has had this done and it worked ? Also how can we reach out to this lady ? I’m considering this process
Why reach the lady! Call caring medical!
@@valdo4842 to ask her questions.
Did you inject the alar ligament through the mouth? I have read that the alar ligament can’t be reached through a posterior injection. If you guys did the posterior ligaments, which ligaments helped treat these symptoms? Also, what is he best way to diagnose alar ligament injury, is it through MRI or the DMX? I am having severe cervical instability causing face pain and occipital neuralgia and trying to learn more about what I can do to get a more specific diagnosis.
Hi Champions of Odin, We do not inject the alar ligament- you are correct about it not being treated posteriorly. The point is in cases like hers is that the alar ligament is not actually the primary issue. We do look at the cervical spine in multiple views on Digital Motion X-ray, as it shows joint instability and ligament laxity issues better than MRI. However, alar ligament laxity is also indicative of other ligaments along the posterior neck also being lax which can be easily treated safely in our offices. If you would like to tell us more about your symptoms, we have a case intake form that you can complete on our website and our clinical team will gladly review your case and see if you sound like a good candidate for our clinics. www.caringmedical.com/conditions/prolotherapy-neck-pain-cervical-instability/ We hope we can help you overcome your cervical instability. Wish you all the best!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy thank you for the response. What ligaments posteriorly are targeted instead of the alar/accessory?
@@championsofodin9868 It would be extremely valuable to have a Caring Medical's research paper explaining their experience on anterior ligament findings vs the posterior ligament treatment approach. Giving a potential explanation for how posterior ligament disfunction impacts anterior ligaments, and why only treating the posterior ligaments helps to solve the overall condition.
@@djeovs I recently had my anteriors injected and it helped a lot
@@championsofodin9868 Glad to know you found some help! Could you share where you had it? How many injections?
I have hypermobile Ehlers Danlos syndrome, c1 c2 instability and Chiari-Malformation. I have not been decompressed because I was told it would make my instability worse. I would like to avoid fusion surgery, so I would like to try prolotherapy. My question is will prolotherapy still work for me if I don't have decompression surgery for my chiari first? Thank you!
Please check if you have Tethered Cord and if so release it first because it could make Chiari better.
Can you please advise how many injections at the same time do you do for neck instability, because This young girl on video got 30 injections at once, IS THIS NORMAL
Do you help alar injury
I have unbearable symptoms of my head and brain but no bad pain. I suspect I have CCI as the symptoms (apart from pain) fit. Is it possible to have it without pain?
Hi Andrea, It can be possible. Hope you are able to get a proper assessment by a specialist in CCI to help determine if this is the suspected source of your symptoms and then determine the ideal treatment plan for you. Wish you all the best in healing!
Do you reach the alar ligament & the transverse atlantal ligament with prolotherapy injections? Because i have them both injured, confirmed by mri.
Hi Lifepool x, We do not inject the alar ligament. Good question and we will have some more published on this topic in the future as Dr. Hauser has dedicated a lot of time to researching the cervical ligaments. The majority of the cases we see where the alar and transverse ligaments mentioned in the report, it is a finding but not the primary culprit causing a person’s symptoms. Overall, there are more important ligament structures that need to be addressed along the posterior spine, and that these are not addressed through more invasive procedures that focus primarily on the alar ligament. So, we do understand that when imaging techniques report on the alar and transverse ligaments that they gain attention, but we typically see it as only part of the bigger picture versus the primary cause, because for most patients with complex cervical instability issues, their case usually goes beyond the alar and transverse atlantal ligaments by themselves. If you are looking for our opinion on your specific case, we'd be happy to review your case in greater detail. Wish you all the best in health!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy By treating only via posterior, does this also indirectly address the alar and transverse ligament instabilities? I was under the impression alar/ transverse could only be addressed by the more invasive and much more expensive PICL procedure.
@@mapex311 Yes, you're correct it's much more invasive to reach those ligaments. We have found over 28 years that it is not necessary for most cases and focusing on the posterior ligaments is the primary determinant of successful outcomes.
Right alar torn liagments,I need help
Heeyyy I have left alar torn ligament did you get help how are u?
Was this patient treated with dextrose Prolotherapy only, or did they need treatments with a stronger proliferant such as prp or a bio cellular approach? I assume they are still doing well after this treatment.
Hi Brandon Cellular and dextrose Prolotherapy, which is pretty typical in our office for more severe cases to need autologous solutions.
Caring Medical thank you for the response! Very glad she was able to get her life back thanks to you guys! Top notch care!
Do you take insurance or have payment plans?
No, we are not part of any insurance networks. If you chose to get treated, we will provide you with a detailed invoice that can be submitted to a private, non-HMO insurance company for possible reimbursement at the “out of network” rate. We cannot, however, guarantee any insurance reimbursement because most insurance company policies only offer pain medication and cortisone, or some physical therapy, for chronic pain treatments.
Sounds just like my story, Yet some how after writing you and sending my diagnosis 15mm Flexion basion axial interval and reccommended ocf fusion....12 year nightmare after a chiro manipulation..No life. and yet I am not a candidate?
I sadly understand her h*ll. I've had a headache for 26+ years that's incredibly worse since 9/21/21 due to side effects from the stupid J&J shot. My brain is being crushed. My scalp and neck burn. My neck muscles are locked up all the time. I am going for a consultation on Tuesday with a local doctor who does PRP injects and I pray he can help.
Update?
@@TheBushRanger. I had 3 months of $$$ treatments and had to quit as I can't afford it anymore. :-( He told me I'd probably need 6 injection sessions but I also saw on his site that some people have needed 8-12 months at $975 each. I didn't notice any improvement after 3 sessions and lost hope. I do worry that I gave up too soon, but I'm really financially stressed right now. :-( Dr. Jonas Skardis IS a wonderful man and I feel like I let him down by quitting.
Can you treat the alar ligaments without injections through the mouth?
Hi Tom, Thanks for the question. No, they cannot be accessed posteriorly.
What is the soft spot in back of her neck? Couldnt understand with the accent.
She was talking about the sore spot on the back of her neck. Thanks for reaching out.
Can these cervical ligaments be tightened only with prolotherapy? What about exercises? I have clicking and grinding in my c7 and have had 5 lots of dextrose prolotherapy here in uk with only minor improvement
Hi cambio123, Good question. Yes, Prolotherapy is the treatment for tightening ligaments. Exercise/PT would be for muscles. They can both help each other but often people do a lot of PT/exercise yet it doesn't resolve the symptoms and only holds them at bay them for a short time, or a person has to do exercises, stretches, and/or massage multiple times every day to try and manage the pain. That is one of the signs that point to an underlying ligament laxity issue. We also find that various bracing or curve correction is helpful as well for improving outcomes with Prolotherapy, so we have a chiropractor here who specializes in that aspect and works along with our Prolotherapists to analyze a patient's curve under Digital Motion X-ray and do adjustments and individualize various wearable weight combinations to work on restoring the ideal curve. That way, we are addressing the vertebrae, muscles, and ligaments, along with monitoring nerve input and functioning as it relates to the patient's specific symptoms. Sorry that you are still experiencing grinding in the neck and other symptoms. We do not know if there is anyone in the UK doing upper cervical Prolotherapy or about how many injections are being done and what type of solutions. But one of the primary reasons why we see patients who travel here from the UK is for upper cervical Prolotherapy and a more comprehensive treatment technique overall. We hope that you will be able to expand your search for someone near you who can help.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy my problem is lower cervical, you guys should expand and open a clinic in europe as there's nothing like this in the uk specialising in these neck problems, we dont even have dmx 😌
What about regennex
No neck complain here in east africa, low land of Ethiopia bcs it is the hottest place on earth. So heat radiation ,specifically infrared is detoxifying and anti inflammatory ,but in Highland, coldest place of Ethiopia, there is many pt complain cci. So the reason is iflamation due to exotocsin like vegetables oils, lectins etc..... there fore go carnivore anf live hotest place, u will see the difference within a month
Are her results typical for those issues - upper cervical instability due to whiplash/ poor posture?
Hi mapex311, yes we see this type of improvement regularly.
Would I need to travel back and forth from UK to US to receive recurrent injections? I'm only 21 and no one can help me at all.
Hi Starshootex, Sorry that no one has been able to help you there. Our patients from the UK do travel back and forth, or may stay for one longer length of time and receive multiple treatments during that time, like 6 weeks to 3 months, depending on the case. If you would like to fill out an intake form about your case, our clinical team can review it and we can discuss your case privately. www.caringmedical.com/conditions/prolotherapy-neck-pain-cervical-instability/ The case intake form is under the Get Help Now tab. Hope we can help you soon. Wish you all the best!
I've already sent an email a couple of days ago and I was informed that I was a good candidate. I've watched all your videos regarding CCI and I'm pretty sure I fit into the story of CREEP - I was unaware of my posture and 80% of my day involves working in front of a computer. I don't have EDS and I don't wanna undergo surgery but you guys are just so far away :'(
@@StarShootex That is understandable. Glad you are looking into all options, though, even if they are far away. That is a tough place to be, for sure. But we have seen many people make the journey here possible eventually. If it becomes possible for you, we would love to help. For now, we wish you all the best, Starshootex! :)
@@StarShootex I'm in your sitstion is your head too heavy for your neck I can't cope Im planning on killing myself over this I'm only 26 there's no hope
I am in England too and C1 C3 instability no one can help I would love to talk to this lady how can I go about this, then I would love to come and see you
Hi Sandra, With respect to our patient's private lives, we do not give out their contact information through the videos. There are a lot of our patients who are on our Facebook pages, though, and talk about their experience. That might be a good place to check. When you would like our team to review your case in more detail, we're here. Feel free to reach out through our website: under the neck pain help section, there is a detailed symptom and medical history form where you can also upload imaging reports. It's a good way to get started, or you can always email us directly. We wish you all the best in your search for a resolution to your upper cervical instability. If you would like our opinion on your case, we'll be happy to help when the time is right. Take care for now.
Sandra where did you go in england to have this confirmed?
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy I’m
How many treatments did she get?
Hi Mike, thanks for the question. She was within the usual 3-6 treatment range.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy So she went to Florida around 6 times? How long in between each prolotherapy treatment?
I have cervical instability can I get prolotherapy in the UK?
Hi L M, Thanks for the question. From our understanding, there is no one in the UK who treats the upper cervical area which is what happened in this case and others that we see from the UK. We wish you all the best in your search. If travel to Florida is a possibility for you in the future, our team would be happy to review your case in more detail to see if you sound like a good candidate for our center and, if so, what to expect with travel, etc. Take care for now.
How do I get ahold of your office! I hear, clicks, pops and cracks in my neck everyday :(
Hi Maria, You can email us directly to discuss your case privately: info@caringmedical.com or call us directly at 708-393-8272. Talk to you soon about how we can help your neck!
@ilmas ashraf Hi Ilmas, Our patients travel to our clinics in Chicagoland and Fort Myers, Florida. We do not have locations in NYC.
After a whiplash something happening with me☹️
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ilmas ashraf did you find anything in nyc?
Any center in India sir for treatment cervical spine instability
Hi Patel, thank you for asking. We do not have a center in India. However, we treat patients who travel here from all around the globe, just like Donna in this video. We would be happy to talk with you more about your case privately, and see how we can help, if traveling to our clinics is a consideration. All the best to you.
Hey Kinjal... please share your contact number..I'm from India with the same issue. We can discuss.
does this help EDS patients? I'm a candidate for a fusion but trying to avoid it
Hi Jamie, Yes, EDS is one of our specialties here. We have some webinars on our playlist about hEDS and our approach that you may want to check out if you want to delve into the topic. Feel free to reach out and tell us more about your case: www.caringmedical.com/conditions/prolotherapy-eds-hypermobility/#get-help-now
Wish you all the best in health!
How many sessions did she have before she got cured?
Hi Jayson, The average for patients with complex cervical cases is usually 6-10.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy 6-10 sessions each being $1400?!
How much time is needed for 4 rounds of proltherapy treatment?
Hi Lifepool x, Usually they are done between 2-8 weeks apart, depending on the solutions used and the level of instability and disability that the patient is suffering from upon the initial exam.
Can a person be treated who has a 4 level fusion? I have right side symptoms similar to your patient here. I’ve had a DMX a yr ago now and stretched have Alar Ligament. Please let me know if there’s a possibility of helping me. I’m disabled, have no quality of life and at the end of hope.
Hi Cee Jay, Thank you for your honesty. It is devastating when there is pain after a complex surgery, but we have decades of helping patients like you who are still suffering after a fusion. Very sorry for the circumstances that have brought you to this point, but there is hope! We would be more than happy to look more closely at your case. We have a page on our site dedicated to people like you to be able to submit more information on their case for review and see if we can help you in our neck center. You can also upload an MRI or other pertinent reports. The page is here: www.caringmedical.com/head-neck-specialist-visit/ or you can email directly to drhauser@caringmedical.com. Wish you all the best!
I had a stroke amd my neck and shoulder is killing me
So sorry to hear this Vernon, we would love to help you on your road to healing!
What technique is used to inject the alar ligament?
Hi shark61111, thank you for reaching out. Good question! In our 25+ years of treating upper cervical cases, even when alar ligament injury is noted on a report, it is not necessarily the determining factor for a treatment that will ultimately resolve symptoms and restore function. It becomes, in many cases, just a finding. You cannot have alar ligament damage without damaging other ligaments in the posterior neck - these are much safer to access with a comprehensive technique of Prolotherapy. We talk more about this in other some other videos and research. Her case is representative of a lot of cases we see where the alar ligament injury was a finding but is not the true underlying reason for the condition. Hope that helps. Wish you all the best in health!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy Yes, but what if the other ligaments in the posterior neck have been treated repeatedly with no improvement? Is cervical fusion the only option or is there a way to treat the alar ligament?
@@shark61111 Good question and would need to be addressed on an individual basis. Most of the time a cervical fusion is the absolute last resort because of the long-term known side effects of adjacent segment problems that occur after the fusion is done.
@@shark61111 It looks like Centeno-Schultz Clinic does the PICL procedure but it's much more invasive and costly.
@@mapex311 how much does it cost?
Does one neck treatment cost 1400$? 😱
Yes. But it’s 4000 for an exam and consultation.
36 years no relief. So finally declared me disabled and I still can't afford treatment
Can alar ligaments be treated with prolo? I've heard that they can't be accessed.
Hi Scott, Thanks for the question. We do not access the alar ligament here, as it is a much more invasive and complicated procedure that does not address the posterior ligaments, which is where we see people tend to have the most success with Prolotherapy treatment. Wishing you all the best in health!
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy Gotcha. Thank you so much for the reply. I was just wondering because the title of the video names Alar specifically.
@@scottk1525 You're welcome. Yes, appreciate you noticing that. It's a common finding that patients are told they have (like Donna in this video) but when you dig deeper into the case, it's not exactly the primary cause of concern when you look at the other structures in the neck and things like blood flow through the neck to/from the brain, vagus nerve size, and other functions being affected by the structures related to the posterior ligaments more comprehensively.
@@CaringmedicalProlotherapy That's good to know. I ask because both my chiros tell me I have CCI, most likely caused by a compromised alar (based on an x-ray showing lateral shift of c1 when I bend my head to the right.)
I've been hesitant to investigate prolo/prp since alars can't be treated (aside from an experimental procedure out in Colorado.) But it sounds like there's a chance alar isn't the main culprit?
Anyway, thanks for the response. I appreciate the insight. It's hard to figure out what the right move is when my Neuro and Spine/Pain Docs seem to have no interest in exploring the CCI angle.
Cheers