Just to give a quick update! ive had some success at reducing the crappy preformance by using the "8x Refresh Rate" option in osu! lazer's graphics settings
I suggest you to find the right frame limit for you. You can press Ctrl+F11 twice and watch a few replays to see what frame limit (2x, 4x or 8x) will give you the least stutters (check the update and draw graphs). Also, changing threading mode can help. Lastly, in multithreading mode, it pushes input and audio latency to 1000hz (0.001ms) so you don't really need to draw more frames than your monitor's refresh rate (in other words, just use VSync if you're playing other modes than osu! standard. This is so that you'll have the smoothest visual experience and your inputs won't be delayed anyway.).
I hope that it gets optimized better soon, because I would definitely switch as rate change by .01, note coloring, and better accuracy are very nice to have, however the lag is so incredibly bad on my computer that I can't really just switch to it. It really sucks because the features are insanely good for improvement, but for me switching is impossible right now.
I kinda get where you're going with your opinions but be careful with what you say because some people will definitely get mad over what you say. They have some significant reasons to not switch to lazer and some can even explain in further detail on what changes they don't like. Also do not be too fast with the conclusions on which client will be the **de facto** client, because anything can happen in the future. On a side note, everything new is SUPPOSED to come out on lazer due to stable being feature-locked by peppy. Nothing bad in trying to defend it, but be careful of what you defend because it roughs up alot of people's feathers. I personally have a lot of reasons to not switch to lazer, it feels extremely unoptimized for me, a lot of requested mania features are still not added even after all that time, the stuttering that you mentioned (that you can also replicate by lowering the scroll speed all the way down and bumping the rate up), the lack of skinnable elements for the game, the fact that it breaks so much skins that it is not even funny and so much more. While yes, there's no column lock anymore, this actually creates a lot more leniency as a result which might throw off a lot of people while playing. I personally see it as a problem because I just cannot get used to this much leniency. I absolutely do not get why mania mods should have score multipliers given we've never had those to begin with, and with the cap always being set at 1mil it makes absolutely no sense to add it. Regarding rates, we do not need a score multiplier, it doesn't make sense since players have been vocal about keeping the 1mil cap. For people to consider moving from stable to lazer on mania, the mode has to be almost 1:1 in features and a bit more to even consider moving, you just cannot expect a lot of people to move without giving them the tools they actually need. I tried giving lazer a try, I really did, but in the current moment it doesn't offer me or a majority of the mania community the stuff we need to sustain that client. Some people are still unhappy with some changes and even some of the fixes that still persist as issues. Not only are those stuff dealbreakers, they might act as actual turnoffs from those players to even consider trying the client. And if peppy says he'll keep stable up, he'll probably keep it up until all those issues get addressed, and it will be a long while until then. Those are my thoughts on lazer, why people do not like it and the reasons why it might feel extremely uncomfortable to switch. Some people do have valuable criticisms, so it's not good to dismiss what they say as just hating;.
Ppy himself of course has said that Lazer is gonna be the new osu and obviously due to it being coded completely from the ground up you are right in saying stable is feature locked lol, and of course people have their opinions and are entilted to that, but as i said in the end of the video i think people should just appreciate ppy's insane dedication to the community. XD And yeah the game definetly needs some optimisation as i said, although i do feel like the Leniency isnt an issue because of osu lazers newer acc system, because from my experience this acc system is a bit harder than stables, which fixes any leniency imo. Additonally, ppy did say that legacy skins wont be supported and you cant blame them for this imo because it would be impossible to make lazer work witgh every single persons skin, although many skins do actually still work to some extent, and main menu and other UI skinning will probably be updated in the future, and remember the game is still not fully out yet lol. As for what you said here "I absolutely do not get why mania mods should have score multipliers given we've never had those to begin with, and with the cap always being set at 1mil it makes absolutely no sense to add it. Regarding rates, we do not need a score multiplier, it doesn't make sense since players have been vocal about keeping the 1mil cap." i understand why you wouldnt want it, my take is mostly that because osu std now ahs a 1 mil score cap and also has score multis on rates, why should mania be different? it just makes sense to make them both the same imo but im still fairly new to mania ig Also the point of Lazer is not to copy sable, in fact its the opposite and the goal is to move the game forward, whilst still trying to keep older players happy. Also i wasnt saying that any negative opinion on Lazer is straight up hating, what i was saying is that if people are just gonna say they hate it and leave it at that, its kinda a useless point lol But if people have specfic deal breakers thats understandable, maybe i should have explained that better lol. Overall i understand your stance ty for the comment lol it was fun to read :D
I've written longer replies, don't worry. I do mostly agree with your statements, but regarding the mod multiplier I think leaving everything as is in this part of the game is the only way for lazer to start attracting the older and experienced players, kinda inevitable on this front. I do appreciate what peppy has done with the client but for me currently it is not enough to make me consider switching. Also he did kinda obliterate me on twitter but he did address the document I wrote on there. The only thing I could reply with is to tell him to take necessary breaks.
I'm quite excited to move to lazer because although they didn't end up with accuracy as high a percent of score as I'd like, it's a ton better than stable, and the histogram results screen is wonderful. Unfortunately, lazer still doesn't import mania skins correctly so I'm holding out until then
You can move your skin elements around a bit if they import a little wack but tbf there are still some issues which is understandable, I'm mostly waiting on some actual menu customisation because lazer looks cool but DAMN it's cluttered XD
There are some elements that you can't make match stable, either not without external effort or not at all. There's no alternate combo animation, you get the one that's flashy and meant to be in a corner. Centered accuracy needs to be re-skinned. If you play with lane cover, you may discover as I did that with zero column bar width, key images are still placed a couple pixels apart rather than adjacent, adding transparent lines to the playfield.
Fr tho XD the newer version made the "tit" a little larger and I think although it doesn't look bad, it's a big change so it's hard to accurately rate it
Lazer just feels different. I dont feel like I'm playing a 2012 map anymore if I play it on lazer. Even with classic on, it still hits differently. There are two things I love about Osu. 1. Old maps. 2. Tech maps. And both of those just dont hit the good spots in my brain right in lazer.
I understand not liking it because of the change in feeling, of course because Lazer is completely coded from the ground up it has differences to osu stable so itll always feel a little different yeah, this is why ppy still wants to support osu stable for as long as possible
personally I had issues with lag and freezing when using custom skins that I ported over from stable using the built-in import feature. although when I reinstalled the game and manually imported all the important skins the lagging didn't occur anymore.
You know, I know everyone is talking about how your swapping, but I wanna talk about the cooler thing: your editing skills. Dude, watching this, I would think I'm watching someone with >200k subs make an in depth video. Like, this is genuinely so impressive, and I'm so glad I get to see this kind of improvement. Your genuinely doing amazing man, and I'm so jealous. Keep doing great, and maybe one of these days you can teach me a thing or two :)
as you said at 7:55, "it's a completely different game moving forward", but i honestly think this is where the main problem lies, a lot of ppl don't want to play a different game, they'd like the same game but with the QoL changes of lazer.
thats a very very good point. Actually something that im interested to see in the future is if someone might eventully make their own osu! Lazer server, with full support for osu stable, effectivly making it what you're talking about. Im pretty sure there is already private osu! Lazer servers, but they definetly dont any modifications to the game itself just the rankings.
Imo the best part is how, if you hold something with your cursor, and spin around the thing you are holding it points towards it. And then when you release it, the cursor spins the other way, kinda like a spring loaded mechanism. Also I think the lag is likely due to how screencap works, I run on an RTX 2070 Super and Ryzen 9 3900x and get a stable 1k fps but it dies when sharing my screen on discord.
I love the little stuff like that with the cursor in lazer, game feel is heavily underated nowadays and lazer nailed it. Also to expand on the screen cap issue, whenever i screenshare osu stable or osu lazer it kills my youtube stream immediately which is very strange, but regardless of me streaming the game runs the same
6:37 this is just wrong I saw many times failing after 2 misses with HP6 in lazer Both stable and lazer old hp systems was bad. On stable HP10 is 100% unplayable being worse than SD and HP0 is basically a NF. Also you can instafail after missing 2 buzz sliders. On old lazer some parts were extremely punishing and unfair, while other were extremely lenient. At least HP10 was playable (HP0 in lazer is like HP3 in stable and HP10 in lazer it's like HP7 in stable). Now it's much better than stable.
At 6:37 i was pretty clearly exagorating as a joke with saying entire jump section lol and this was mostly in regards to std only of course, but the old lazer hp is factually more lienent on most maps, so im definetly right overall, as my point was just to compare the current lazer hp system to the old lazer hp system. On the old hp system its a lot easier to pass maps with lots more chain misses, and i have proof of this as i have many scores on lazer that would not be a pass on stable. An example of this, on the old lazer hp a few months ago i had classic mod on (meaning normal notelock) and i played the 8* happppy song and passed the stream despite missing a LOT. I would NEVER pass that on stable
Did you try the built-in tablet driver? If you have a tablet that is already low latency (like a cth-480), it reduces the latency EVEN MORE. When I'm using the built-in tablet driver it kinda feels like the cursor is moving faster than your hand. I guess this is because it bypasses giving any data to the operating system and the data goes straight to osu. It feels incredible!
@@Rageinater I just checked on github and it seems like lazer is just using the core of good old OpenTabletDriver. And it was indeed peppy who implemented it.
@@Rageinater I just checked on github and it seems like lazer is just using the core of good old OpenTabletDriver. And it was indeed peppy who implemented it.
I just checked on github and it seems like it's using an implementation of OpenTabletDriver. And it was indeed ppy who wrote the code to make it work with lazer
I like lazer and I want to switch to it but playing mania theres something that doesnt feels good. I suppose I'll try it again when performance is fixed because now is almost unplayable for me
Yeah for sure it feels a little different, felt like the scroll speed was a little off and of couirse the preformance issues need to be addressed ASAP, instead of ppy just saying "oh well its meant for mid-high end" when a lot of people are getting low fps on high end pc's regardless LOL
Yeah these are pretty much my big issues with lazer, hopefully the game gets some performance updates and I doubt it'll be too much longer untill the games ready and has no more resets
The only reason why I don’t want to play on lazer is that the offset is literally way too different from stable and it makes me feel really uncomfortable to play it
maybe try using the automatic offset feature after playing a couple maps, because for me the offset isnt really any different and in fact theres less audio latency iirc
@@Rageinater I can normally get 1:10- 1:20 ratio on 3-4 stars map But lazer literally nerf me to only be able to ratio 1:3 or even 1:2 Plus I kept getting 200x for no reason which is really frustrating for me to play
i agree about the preformance although i dont think skill would really change anything, actually from what ppy has said most new players download lazer aparently lol (source is one of the million lazer updates trust)
Just to give a quick update! ive had some success at reducing the crappy preformance by using the "8x Refresh Rate" option in osu! lazer's graphics settings
from my experience, this gives you more latency than playing on a pentium 💀
LOL
I suggest you to find the right frame limit for you. You can press Ctrl+F11 twice and watch a few replays to see what frame limit (2x, 4x or 8x) will give you the least stutters (check the update and draw graphs). Also, changing threading mode can help. Lastly, in multithreading mode, it pushes input and audio latency to 1000hz (0.001ms) so you don't really need to draw more frames than your monitor's refresh rate (in other words, just use VSync if you're playing other modes than osu! standard. This is so that you'll have the smoothest visual experience and your inputs won't be delayed anyway.).
Vsync was giving me a LOT of stutters and of course i always use multithreading and hardware accel, but 8x seems to work a bit better
I hope you enjoyed! Like I said, give lazer a chance, all ppy wants is to make a fun and new experience for as many people as possible :D
I hope that it gets optimized better soon, because I would definitely switch as rate change by .01, note coloring, and better accuracy are very nice to have, however the lag is so incredibly bad on my computer that I can't really just switch to it. It really sucks because the features are insanely good for improvement, but for me switching is impossible right now.
i completly agree, the game is heavily held back by poor preformance on even high end systems
I kinda get where you're going with your opinions but be careful with what you say because some people will definitely get mad over what you say. They have some significant reasons to not switch to lazer and some can even explain in further detail on what changes they don't like. Also do not be too fast with the conclusions on which client will be the **de facto** client, because anything can happen in the future. On a side note, everything new is SUPPOSED to come out on lazer due to stable being feature-locked by peppy. Nothing bad in trying to defend it, but be careful of what you defend because it roughs up alot of people's feathers.
I personally have a lot of reasons to not switch to lazer, it feels extremely unoptimized for me, a lot of requested mania features are still not added even after all that time, the stuttering that you mentioned (that you can also replicate by lowering the scroll speed all the way down and bumping the rate up), the lack of skinnable elements for the game, the fact that it breaks so much skins that it is not even funny and so much more. While yes, there's no column lock anymore, this actually creates a lot more leniency as a result which might throw off a lot of people while playing. I personally see it as a problem because I just cannot get used to this much leniency.
I absolutely do not get why mania mods should have score multipliers given we've never had those to begin with, and with the cap always being set at 1mil it makes absolutely no sense to add it. Regarding rates, we do not need a score multiplier, it doesn't make sense since players have been vocal about keeping the 1mil cap. For people to consider moving from stable to lazer on mania, the mode has to be almost 1:1 in features and a bit more to even consider moving, you just cannot expect a lot of people to move without giving them the tools they actually need.
I tried giving lazer a try, I really did, but in the current moment it doesn't offer me or a majority of the mania community the stuff we need to sustain that client. Some people are still unhappy with some changes and even some of the fixes that still persist as issues. Not only are those stuff dealbreakers, they might act as actual turnoffs from those players to even consider trying the client. And if peppy says he'll keep stable up, he'll probably keep it up until all those issues get addressed, and it will be a long while until then.
Those are my thoughts on lazer, why people do not like it and the reasons why it might feel extremely uncomfortable to switch. Some people do have valuable criticisms, so it's not good to dismiss what they say as just hating;.
Ppy himself of course has said that Lazer is gonna be the new osu and obviously due to it being coded completely from the ground up you are right in saying stable is feature locked lol, and of course people have their opinions and are entilted to that, but as i said in the end of the video i think people should just appreciate ppy's insane dedication to the community. XD
And yeah the game definetly needs some optimisation as i said, although i do feel like the Leniency isnt an issue because of osu lazers newer acc system, because from my experience this acc system is a bit harder than stables, which fixes any leniency imo. Additonally, ppy did say that legacy skins wont be supported and you cant blame them for this imo because it would be impossible to make lazer work witgh every single persons skin, although many skins do actually still work to some extent, and main menu and other UI skinning will probably be updated in the future, and remember the game is still not fully out yet lol.
As for what you said here "I absolutely do not get why mania mods should have score multipliers given we've never had those to begin with, and with the cap always being set at 1mil it makes absolutely no sense to add it. Regarding rates, we do not need a score multiplier, it doesn't make sense since players have been vocal about keeping the 1mil cap." i understand why you wouldnt want it, my take is mostly that because osu std now ahs a 1 mil score cap and also has score multis on rates, why should mania be different? it just makes sense to make them both the same imo but im still fairly new to mania ig Also the point of Lazer is not to copy sable, in fact its the opposite and the goal is to move the game forward, whilst still trying to keep older players happy.
Also i wasnt saying that any negative opinion on Lazer is straight up hating, what i was saying is that if people are just gonna say they hate it and leave it at that, its kinda a useless point lol But if people have specfic deal breakers thats understandable, maybe i should have explained that better lol.
Overall i understand your stance ty for the comment lol it was fun to read :D
I've written longer replies, don't worry. I do mostly agree with your statements, but regarding the mod multiplier I think leaving everything as is in this part of the game is the only way for lazer to start attracting the older and experienced players, kinda inevitable on this front. I do appreciate what peppy has done with the client but for me currently it is not enough to make me consider switching. Also he did kinda obliterate me on twitter but he did address the document I wrote on there. The only thing I could reply with is to tell him to take necessary breaks.
I'm quite excited to move to lazer because although they didn't end up with accuracy as high a percent of score as I'd like, it's a ton better than stable, and the histogram results screen is wonderful. Unfortunately, lazer still doesn't import mania skins correctly so I'm holding out until then
You can move your skin elements around a bit if they import a little wack but tbf there are still some issues which is understandable, I'm mostly waiting on some actual menu customisation because lazer looks cool but DAMN it's cluttered XD
There are some elements that you can't make match stable, either not without external effort or not at all. There's no alternate combo animation, you get the one that's flashy and meant to be in a corner. Centered accuracy needs to be re-skinned. If you play with lane cover, you may discover as I did that with zero column bar width, key images are still placed a couple pixels apart rather than adjacent, adding transparent lines to the playfield.
Stick some paper to ur monitor for free lane cover :clueless:
tbh the old logo looks better this one just looks like target
Fr tho XD the newer version made the "tit" a little larger and I think although it doesn't look bad, it's a big change so it's hard to accurately rate it
Lazer just feels different. I dont feel like I'm playing a 2012 map anymore if I play it on lazer. Even with classic on, it still hits differently. There are two things I love about Osu. 1. Old maps. 2. Tech maps. And both of those just dont hit the good spots in my brain right in lazer.
I understand not liking it because of the change in feeling, of course because Lazer is completely coded from the ground up it has differences to osu stable so itll always feel a little different yeah, this is why ppy still wants to support osu stable for as long as possible
personally I had issues with lag and freezing when using custom skins that I ported over from stable using the built-in import feature. although when I reinstalled the game and manually imported all the important skins the lagging didn't occur anymore.
oh interesting, maybe one of the updates fixed it and reinstalling got lazer to update properly, but either way good to hear its working for you!
You know, I know everyone is talking about how your swapping, but I wanna talk about the cooler thing: your editing skills. Dude, watching this, I would think I'm watching someone with >200k subs make an in depth video. Like, this is genuinely so impressive, and I'm so glad I get to see this kind of improvement. Your genuinely doing amazing man, and I'm so jealous. Keep doing great, and maybe one of these days you can teach me a thing or two :)
Tysm man i appreciate it a lot, the only reason i do this stuff is for people to enjoy so i appreciate it
@@Rageinater Of course man!!! You genuinely are an inspiration, and all of your posts are so high quality
as you said at 7:55, "it's a completely different game moving forward", but i honestly think this is where the main problem lies, a lot of ppl don't want to play a different game, they'd like the same game but with the QoL changes of lazer.
thats a very very good point. Actually something that im interested to see in the future is if someone might eventully make their own osu! Lazer server, with full support for osu stable, effectivly making it what you're talking about. Im pretty sure there is already private osu! Lazer servers, but they definetly dont any modifications to the game itself just the rankings.
Ez early
Welp time to wait till many is optimised for it, there's so many things off.
Yeah the game could really do with some optimising, once thats done honestly it'll be way better than stable
Imo the best part is how, if you hold something with your cursor, and spin around the thing you are holding it points towards it.
And then when you release it, the cursor spins the other way, kinda like a spring loaded mechanism.
Also I think the lag is likely due to how screencap works, I run on an RTX 2070 Super and Ryzen 9 3900x and get a stable 1k fps but it dies when sharing my screen on discord.
I love the little stuff like that with the cursor in lazer, game feel is heavily underated nowadays and lazer nailed it.
Also to expand on the screen cap issue, whenever i screenshare osu stable or osu lazer it kills my youtube stream immediately which is very strange, but regardless of me streaming the game runs the same
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6:37 this is just wrong
I saw many times failing after 2 misses with HP6 in lazer
Both stable and lazer old hp systems was bad.
On stable HP10 is 100% unplayable being worse than SD and HP0 is basically a NF. Also you can instafail after missing 2 buzz sliders.
On old lazer some parts were extremely punishing and unfair, while other were extremely lenient. At least HP10 was playable (HP0 in lazer is like HP3 in stable and HP10 in lazer it's like HP7 in stable).
Now it's much better than stable.
At 6:37 i was pretty clearly exagorating as a joke with saying entire jump section lol and this was mostly in regards to std only of course, but the old lazer hp is factually more lienent on most maps, so im definetly right overall, as my point was just to compare the current lazer hp system to the old lazer hp system. On the old hp system its a lot easier to pass maps with lots more chain misses, and i have proof of this as i have many scores on lazer that would not be a pass on stable. An example of this, on the old lazer hp a few months ago i had classic mod on (meaning normal notelock) and i played the 8* happppy song and passed the stream despite missing a LOT. I would NEVER pass that on stable
Did you try the built-in tablet driver?
If you have a tablet that is already low latency (like a cth-480), it reduces the latency EVEN MORE.
When I'm using the built-in tablet driver it kinda feels like the cursor is moving faster than your hand.
I guess this is because it bypasses giving any data to the operating system and the data goes straight to osu.
It feels incredible!
I actually always use it and it's absolutely amazing, ppy (or whoever did it lol) did an amazing job with the built in tablet drivers
@@Rageinater I just checked on github and it seems like lazer is just using the core of good old OpenTabletDriver.
And it was indeed peppy who implemented it.
@@Rageinater I just checked on github and it seems like lazer is just using the core of good old OpenTabletDriver.
And it was indeed peppy who implemented it.
I just checked on github and it seems like it's using an implementation of OpenTabletDriver.
And it was indeed ppy who wrote the code to make it work with lazer
@@RageinaterUA-cam keeps deleting my comment. Can you please review it in the creator panel?
I like lazer and I want to switch to it but playing mania theres something that doesnt feels good. I suppose I'll try it again when performance is fixed because now is almost unplayable for me
Yeah for sure it feels a little different, felt like the scroll speed was a little off and of couirse the preformance issues need to be addressed ASAP, instead of ppy just saying "oh well its meant for mid-high end" when a lot of people are getting low fps on high end pc's regardless LOL
pretty good video!
Thank you!!
The reason i switched to lazer is because of the limitations of sensentivity in the game. 6x isnt enough for me and lazer goes up to 10
XD fair enough haha well im glad lazer fixed your problem!
tried it but not for me right now, stutter is bad and scores might be removed on lazer if they have to make a change so ill have to wait alot longer
Yeah these are pretty much my big issues with lazer, hopefully the game gets some performance updates and I doubt it'll be too much longer untill the games ready and has no more resets
Btw I having a break in osu! but peppy. Pls. Fix. The. Performance.
FR THO
The only reason why I don’t want to play on lazer is that the offset is literally way too different from stable and it makes me feel really uncomfortable to play it
maybe try using the automatic offset feature after playing a couple maps, because for me the offset isnt really any different and in fact theres less audio latency iirc
@@Rageinater i did and it did not help at all
it still feels like shit and i cant ratio as well as i always do on stable
Hm that's strange I've been getting better ratio on lazer
@@Rageinater I can normally get 1:10- 1:20 ratio on 3-4 stars map
But lazer literally nerf me to only be able to ratio 1:3 or even 1:2
Plus I kept getting 200x for no reason which is really frustrating for me to play
barbecue sauce
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Its due to classic mod not being ranked
what is? XD
@@Rageinater like me who has a serious skill issue with slider heads and odd placebo affects of lazer, i turn on classic mod to make it feel natural.
@@Hoshinang lol fair enough
huge lazer fan
yesirrrr
a new era begins
Yesirrr
Lazer Beam
Snipe!
so true
stable has better performance unless ur a low skilled player who doesnt care stable is still much better, and will be for a while than this
i agree about the preformance although i dont think skill would really change anything, actually from what ppy has said most new players download lazer aparently lol (source is one of the million lazer updates trust)
nooo he has gone over to the dark side
Nah lazer on top 🗣🗣🗣🔥
like shut up dont judge standard changes when u cant even standard
So real
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