I used a double integral to solve a single improper integral

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  • @blackpenredpen
    @blackpenredpen  Місяць тому +18

    Using Feynman's technique TWICE! (the integral of sin^3(x)/x^3 from 0 to inf)
    ua-cam.com/video/weZLETAIDEk/v-deo.htmlsi=rns_1h9G4MbG5oDS

  • @yuri117_br
    @yuri117_br Місяць тому +163

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  • @aniruddhaghosh1303
    @aniruddhaghosh1303 Місяць тому +87

    I do see all of your videos from India. I'm 63 year old. Whenever I see your video I always feel sorry for that I didn't get a teacher like you in my yearly life.
    You are such rare class of teacher who can make the learning fun and enjoyable.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Місяць тому +25

      Thank you so much for you nice comment! I am very happy to hear this!

    • @aniruddhaghosh1303
      @aniruddhaghosh1303 Місяць тому +7

      Will you please make a video to find the coordinates of the points of intersection of two intersecting circles.

    • @leonardobarrera2816
      @leonardobarrera2816 Місяць тому +1

      @@aniruddhaghosh1303 thar is a nice tho
      Mmmm, well, a clue that I can give you is that, don't think on a function world accepted by school
      Just, plug the same varibles and use the quadratic formula for find out y [f(x)]
      That is something that works out

    • @junkgum
      @junkgum Місяць тому +1

      Distance formula at certain coordinates?

    • @leonardobarrera2816
      @leonardobarrera2816 Місяць тому +1

      @@junkgum mmm
      Sqrt[(y2-y1)^2+(x2-x1)^2]
      If I am not bad

  • @cdkw2
    @cdkw2 Місяць тому +40

    Hey bprp I am hosting a Integration Bee in my school and I included many integrals from your 100 integrals, so glad that you provide such good resources!

  • @mathnerd5647
    @mathnerd5647 Місяць тому +2

    I subbed to both bprp and Dr. PK Math, and watch both videos where they are using different methods, which are great

  • @paya4030
    @paya4030 Місяць тому +4

    This channel has mostly everything one could need for calculus I to III

  • @newname5205
    @newname5205 Місяць тому

    You are literally the only math youtuber that i will watch for fun

  • @umylten4142
    @umylten4142 Місяць тому +18

    Feynman's technique works fine. I set up I(x) = the same integral where the integrand is multiplied by exp(-xt). Take the second derivative which is easy to find (just a bunch of exponentials to integrate), and then using that I''(x), I'(x) and I(x) approach 0 when x goes to infinity, you can find I(x) by integrating twice. If I didn't mess up, you get:
    I(x) = x•ln[x(x+2)/(x+1)²] + 2ln[(x+2)/(x+1)]
    which leads to the expected result I(0) = 2ln(2) = ln(4) (technically that final calculation is a limit calculation because of the first term, but it works fine).

    • @MichaelMaths_
      @MichaelMaths_ Місяць тому

      I though of the same possible parameterization too. Nice work!

  • @redrosin99
    @redrosin99 Місяць тому +3

    So nice to recall my undergraduate calculus classes.
    I studied at the Technion, Israel and you are certainly on the level to teach there.
    Thank you so much for your wonderful explanations!

  • @klerulo
    @klerulo Місяць тому +9

    Bprp: This integral is hard. To solve it, I'm going to make it WAY more intimidating first.

  • @Intu_369
    @Intu_369 Місяць тому +4

    Wow I've suffered to solve this question but you really did it with the simplest way. Great 👍❤

  • @alex_ramjiawan
    @alex_ramjiawan Місяць тому +2

    I just watched Pk's response to this using complex analysis and Big O notation. Its pretty cool too.

  • @Happy_Abe
    @Happy_Abe Місяць тому +27

    In general we can’t always use Fubini so some justification in that step is required

    • @alphazero339
      @alphazero339 Місяць тому +1

      What exactly would I have to prove here to be able to use it

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Місяць тому +3

      @@alphazero339you’d have to prove(or already know) that the function f(x,y) is integrable in the product measure space. Meaning that when you integrate |f(x,y)| over XxY with respect to the product measure on XxY(these things have to be properly defined using measure theory), then this gives a finite value. Then we can take the integral of f(x,y) (without absolute values) over the product measure space and evaluate it as a double integral and exchange the order in which we integrate.
      In practice, we can more easily use Tonelli’s theorem here: If f(x,y) is non-negative and measurable then we always have this equality, but the integrals may not be finite. In the video’s case, the exponential function is always non-negative and is measurable so this works and no need to even verify Fubini!

    • @almightysapling
      @almightysapling Місяць тому +2

      People often say "Fubini" to mean "Fubini-Tonelli" so no justification is needed IMO.

    • @Happy_Abe
      @Happy_Abe Місяць тому

      @@almightysapling if so then fair, but still something worth thinking about. And even Tonelli needs the basic justification that the functions are positive and measurable which they are

  • @joedapotatowater
    @joedapotatowater 22 дні тому

    My calc 3 professor put this as a challenge problem, and you saved me! He might've watched your video lol to be reminded of this technique and give to us.

  • @allmight801
    @allmight801 Місяць тому +12

    Finally my guy does hard stuff again. Would love to see some complex integration stuff via Residue Theorem.

  • @ДанилоФилонов
    @ДанилоФилонов Місяць тому

    I love math, especially when such beautiful puzzles and solutions came out, that's just gorgeous, so beautiful and awesome, Please never stop seeking for such brilliants of math, that is indeed joyful thing)

  • @rockstarayan1959
    @rockstarayan1959 Місяць тому +4

    You are the best mathematician 🎉

  • @richardhole8429
    @richardhole8429 Місяць тому

    As ancient is my Calculus, I can still follow your work andvunderstand it. And watch woth excitement!

  • @IoT_
    @IoT_ Місяць тому +2

    I think, first time I saw "reverse Feynman/Leibniz's rule" on the channel of Michael Penn.
    That's a very nice approach 👍🏽

  • @tambuwalmathsclass
    @tambuwalmathsclass Місяць тому

    Incredibly incredible ❤❤

  • @walidability
    @walidability Місяць тому

    Actually this is a beautiful solve, I really enjoyed its simplicity.

  • @pianoprobability6490
    @pianoprobability6490 Місяць тому

    this was really coool to watch. gj

  • @kaidenpink1771
    @kaidenpink1771 Місяць тому

    Feynman's trick works really well if you parameterize the integrand as ((1-e^(-tx))/x)^2 Its derivative ends up being a constant function after an integral substitution, but you need to use feynman's trick a second time to find the constant

  • @neriya-bd
    @neriya-bd Місяць тому

    lovely solution

  • @dudl2945
    @dudl2945 Місяць тому

    The kind of smile I had watching this video probably can't be achieved by any other entertainment thing in this world. What a nice way to solve it

  • @nmaedu.100
    @nmaedu.100 Місяць тому

    great content

  • @Mario_Altare
    @Mario_Altare Місяць тому +3

    IBP twice and then Gamma function is your uncle (and your friend):
    I = -2 ∫_0^∞ [2e^(-2t)-e^(-t)] ln⁡ t dt = 2γ - 2 ln 2 ∫_0^ e^(-v)⁡ = 2 ln 2 = ln 4

    • @tommyliu7020
      @tommyliu7020 Місяць тому

      Are you differentiating the numerator and integrating the denominator?

    • @Mario_Altare
      @Mario_Altare Місяць тому +1

      @@tommyliu7020 Yes, I did a first IBP letting dv = 1/t^2 and u = [1-e^(-t)]^2; then I've repeated this procedure with the resulting integral, obtaining
      -2 ∫_0^∞ [2e^(-2t)-e^(-t)] ln⁡ t dt

  • @Szynkaa
    @Szynkaa Місяць тому +2

    lovely tricks

  • @benjoshuayip2520
    @benjoshuayip2520 Місяць тому

    Integrate by parts (differentiate the top, integrate the bottom) to get I = ∫ (-2e^-2t + 2e^-t)/t dt. Let x = e^-t to get I = 2 ∫[0,1] (x-1)/(lnx) dx, which can be solved by Feynman's.

  • @عَمرُبنوليدالمسلم
    @عَمرُبنوليدالمسلم Місяць тому +2

    To use Feynman's technique you first need to Differentiate the numerator and Integrate the denominator using IBP, then use the technique on the resulting integral.

  • @UnTipoSinNombre
    @UnTipoSinNombre Місяць тому

    VERY NICE

  • @6612770
    @6612770 Місяць тому +1

    Mind Blown

  • @cdkw2
    @cdkw2 Місяць тому

    OMG new bprp pfp and video? Lets go!

  • @HiddenKey_210
    @HiddenKey_210 Місяць тому

    Triple integration is the bestest!

  • @stevemonkey6666
    @stevemonkey6666 Місяць тому +2

    3 integral signs in a row😁👍

  • @actualRocketScientist
    @actualRocketScientist Місяць тому

    I used to think I was smart but don't think I would have ever thought of that solution method. It was originally thinking of utilizing hyperbolic cosine and sine

  • @Patapom3
    @Patapom3 Місяць тому

    Amazing!

  • @AlokPatil-sz7er
    @AlokPatil-sz7er Місяць тому

    Love you

  • @nuclearrambo3167
    @nuclearrambo3167 Місяць тому +1

    I think properies of laplace transform or residue theorem can be used

  • @yurfwendforju
    @yurfwendforju Місяць тому

    10nth grader from germany here.
    First intuition is to do DI w/ (1-e^-t) , 1/t^2

    • @alphazero339
      @alphazero339 Місяць тому

      Why are you telling your grade

  • @sadi_supercell2132
    @sadi_supercell2132 Місяць тому

    Integration by parts , integrate 1 over t^2 differentiate numerator , after that feynman trick works

  • @wise_man-goted
    @wise_man-goted Місяць тому

    100 advanced trigonometric functions please

  • @danielntoko2117
    @danielntoko2117 Місяць тому

    Very easy to solve!

  • @guitaristxcore
    @guitaristxcore Місяць тому

    All of our favorite math channels posted absolute bangers this week. Hiw did we math nerds get so lucky?

  • @TechnoBeats1251
    @TechnoBeats1251 Місяць тому

    Funny part is that Chat-GBT says that the solution is Pi^2/6 , i'm never asking him about integrals again.

  • @sovietwizard1620
    @sovietwizard1620 Місяць тому

    I solved the indefinite integral normally by expanding it out and got the 3 normal integrals by itself and they were actually quite easy to solve. You get a slightly complicated expression involving Ei function. I did it this way to simplify it, but when I took the limit from zero to infinity, the infinity part became 0 and the other zero part was quite tricky as I had to solve for lim as t->0 of 2Ei(-t)-2Ei(-2t), I had absolutely o idea how to do this as this was in the form infinity - infinity indeterminate. I used wolfram alpha and apparently it was -ln4, but I'm still pretty confused lol.

  • @fdileo
    @fdileo Місяць тому +2

    Can you use the Fubini Tonelli's Theorem at 6:04?

    • @kristopherwilson506
      @kristopherwilson506 Місяць тому +2

      Yes, as the function is nonnegative and measurable, and the exponential function is nonnegative

    • @almightysapling
      @almightysapling Місяць тому

      He literally says that's what he's doing 4 seconds before that.

  • @perost1227
    @perost1227 Місяць тому +1

    Are x and y greater than 0?

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Місяць тому +1

      Yes bc those integrals go from 0 to 1

    • @perost1227
      @perost1227 Місяць тому

      @@blackpenredpen ahaaaa tyyy

  • @user-mf7li2eb1o
    @user-mf7li2eb1o Місяць тому +1

    Im not even gonna try😂😂
    Taking calc 1 rn

  • @holyshit922
    @holyshit922 Місяць тому +1

    I would start with integration by parts
    Then maybe Laplace transform

    • @holyshit922
      @holyshit922 Місяць тому +1

      Integration by parts gives me
      2\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{(1-exp(-t))exp(-t)}{t}dt
      Integrand and interval of integration hints me to use Laplace transform
      so i calculate Laplace transform
      L((1-exp(-t))/t) plug in s = 1 and double the result
      To calculate L((1-exp(-t))/t) it is enough to calculate L(1-exp(-t)) and integrate the result

  • @namangoyal1297
    @namangoyal1297 Місяць тому +1

    Cant we write this in the form of Exponential integral and the Gamma function?

  • @aniruddhaghosh1303
    @aniruddhaghosh1303 Місяць тому

    Will you please make a video on how to get the coordinates of points of intersections of two intersecting circles.
    Thank you.

  • @RoyalYoutube_PRO
    @RoyalYoutube_PRO Місяць тому +1

    Can't you just use Gamma Integral after opening the bracket and splitting the numerator??

  • @chayapholtopar5992
    @chayapholtopar5992 Місяць тому

    Is there any additional condition to swap the integral inside out like that???

  • @UsmaniaOfficialStudio
    @UsmaniaOfficialStudio Місяць тому

    Please upload proof of Leibniz rule for differentiating under the integral sign

  • @De_Firma
    @De_Firma Місяць тому

    What about the power of n as it approaches infinity?

  • @OpPhilo03
    @OpPhilo03 Місяць тому

    Which marker you use?! Please tell me us sir

  • @davidbrisbane7206
    @davidbrisbane7206 Місяць тому +5

    The answer is nearly always ln(4) 😂

  • @toeknee3900
    @toeknee3900 Місяць тому

    New pfp!

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 Місяць тому

    Cool!

  • @gabest4
    @gabest4 Місяць тому

    Exactly the same value as the integral of 1/t between 1 and 4! Can we get to that from ((1-e^-t)/t)^2 somehow?

  • @Bhattarai_hari
    @Bhattarai_hari Місяць тому

    Why do you say the integral without the square diverges at 0:24? The graph shows otherwise.

  • @nornsoriya1257
    @nornsoriya1257 Місяць тому

    Hello teacher could you help me ? Limited X to infinity
    2x/(1+x^2 )×tan[(πx+4)/( 2x+3)

  • @weishanlei8682
    @weishanlei8682 Місяць тому +1

    I am sure that this easy question can be solved bey o1 within 30 seconds.

  • @rauladrianbringasjimenez8656
    @rauladrianbringasjimenez8656 Місяць тому

    5:15 I didn’t understand, what theorem I’m missing?

  • @ValidatingUsername
    @ValidatingUsername Місяць тому

    Let t = x for mental simplicity sake and dt = dx.

  • @matei_woold_wewu
    @matei_woold_wewu Місяць тому

    Rip old pfp of bprp

  • @Nain115
    @Nain115 Місяць тому

    I just did it in ChatGPT, and it says that the answer is (pi²)/6
    I told it that in bprp's video the answer was ln4, but GPT said that ln4 is the answer for the initial integral but without the square in the exponent

  • @Silvar55x
    @Silvar55x Місяць тому +1

    There's been some crackling on the mic in all the latest videos.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Місяць тому

      Could you please provide me the time stamps? Thanks.

    • @Silvar55x
      @Silvar55x Місяць тому +1

      @@blackpenredpen It's pretty common occurance. Just in this video:
      0:00 - 0:05 about 7 times
      0:14 single one
      0:33 single one
      0:48 - 0:50 a couple
      And so on.
      It sometimes seems to correspond to movements of the mic, like the slight upward hand movement at 0:05. Could be a faulty connection or frayed wire.

    • @blackpenredpen
      @blackpenredpen  Місяць тому

      Thank you so much for pointing those out! I will see what I can do to fix it!

  • @Someone19471
    @Someone19471 Місяць тому

    I'm in class 10

  • @kift.
    @kift. Місяць тому

    eZ.

  • @aashishkumar9658
    @aashishkumar9658 Місяць тому +1

    That's a brilliant approach 😳

  • @ikerluqup5661
    @ikerluqup5661 Місяць тому

    Lol😊

  • @namangoyal1297
    @namangoyal1297 Місяць тому +2

    Pls make a video on the Product integral and The Riemann Zeta function

  • @stonecrane167
    @stonecrane167 Місяць тому

    This is too easy

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    @kyriakoskourkoulis1159 Місяць тому

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    @LoneWolfAndKub Місяць тому +1

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    @rehanalam3900 Місяць тому

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    @AlokPatil-sz7er Місяць тому

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    @keymind117 Місяць тому

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