@@mohammadsaberi983 nope Elica was incredibly articulate and approached it respectfully with a wealth of historical knowledge therefore its very clear that it was only the Pro palestinian panel that made themselves look like absolute dimwits! The Jordanian girl, and the other two guys didn’t have a shred of knowledge nor intelligence to make a plausible argument !
JORDANIAN GIRL: everything she said was incorrect ADAM: Like what specifically? JORDANIAN GIRL -- Everything. wow, so intelligent! ELICA: It's quite literally documented in history.
She lied about the persecution of Jews in Mecca in the first 14 minutes of the show. The polytheistic Quraysh tribe were prosecuting Muhammad for monotheism
Jordanian girl is absolutely ignorant, as bad as the Palestinian Christian, he claims to be a Christian, but has no idea what the Bible says about the jews, and that Jesus was a jew from Israel.
Ahaha I study history everything she said came from Wikipedia she’s been brainwashed she has no evidence or anything to back up her claims and you believe it 🤣🤣🤣 without any proof
Absolute joke having Manal on this panel when she doesn’t consider Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis terrorist organisations and denies the atrocities of Oct 7. Hope she’s on the US Terror Watchlist with extreme opinions like these.
People believe in fighting for rights I do not support terrorists but I support someone fighting for evidence and proof of there rights and the right of knowledge of who’s right who’s wrong they are clearly covering stuff up of thing you clearly have no knowledge about
I think all radicals need to repent and seek jesus christ but hoping someones onna watch list just cuz they disagree with you is mad soft tissue boy energy bro, grow up.
“Jews were coexisting with Arabs in Palestine just fine before 1948” after the Hebron Massacre is absolutely wild 🙈 Does this Jordanian girl know like anything about history other than what Tiktok tells her? "I've always seen Palestine on a map" - what map? The map of the times of Saladin? Why is she on this panel even?
Their idea 💡 and agenda is it’s not a territorial claim by a nation. Their agenda is Ottomans, Salad Al-Deen & other Muslims ruled those lands so because they’re Muslims that’s acceptable. Why??? Because it’s religious dominance not national sovereignty. These people are justifying their agenda and any resistance to their focus is justified terrorism. When you listen to the Pro Israeli panellist talk facts, rational thinking & critical. While the Pro Palestinian panellists are emotional driven and loyalties are to Islam and their agenda.
@@thesunisup_ That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
Elika the daughter of Iran is actually talking on behalf of all Iranians. Regime change must happen in Iran if we want peace in the Middle East. Iran should be run by Pahlavi dynasty like before 1979 .
Parrot talking point - point them to the Tanzimat agreement. A negotiation that had to be interceded by the Europeans to stop the Muslims from treating Christians and jews like dhimmus (second class citizens)
@@mohammadsaberi983 If it isn't about religion, why did Hamas claim that after the IDF rescued the last hostage, they let him go because they realized he wasn't Jewish? There is a guy on UA-cam who interviews Muslims from all around the world, and when he asks them if Israel would still be attacked if every Israeli converted to Islam, they all reply no since they are all Muslims.
The pro Palestinian girl.. I saw the picture I saw the map... where on TikTok🤣🤣🤣? Literally academia and knowledge having conversation with a tik tok graduates
As soon as they use the argument Muslims, Christians & Jews were living together holding hands singing kumbaya, they lose all credibility in my eyes as an Assyrian. Sosnick bring in Christian Assyrians or even Jewish Assyrians who lived in Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran and ask them how were their grandparents and great grandparents treated by muslims including Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Iranians, chechins etc
I thought the same. it is such a non historical nonsense that is easy to prove wrong. But somehow it turned into a popular narrative among the Pro-Palestine people and, no matter how many times they are proven wrong on that, they insist on repeating. What an odd hill to die on. Assuming the historical reality that there was always conflict, and some of them instigated by the Arabs, doesn't diminish any plight for a ceasefire or the Palestine cause. it is only about having an honest conversation. It ends up reading as shallow and , mildly or deeply, antisemitic that only the Jews are to blame for everything. Nobody else EVER did anything wrong. Or if they did they are justified no matter what it was ( even the October 7th pogrom ). How can one talk to these people?
Maybe you should ask avi shlaim a jewish iraqi who has second hand stories from his mother on how stern and irgun gangs commited terror acts to expadite jewish emigration.
@@dila01 its all propaganda BS by the Arab league propaganda. who hung his brothers in mass on street of Bagdad during the farhoud massacre sure buddy the "irgun did it "nice try. Keep stories and fiction in the movies my friend.
Pro Palestinian lady is coming across childish, uneducated and not able to speak facts. Moreover, she denies facts because she doesn’t like them. And her talking points is just slogans from propaganda. This is just sad to see. Adam, I am sure you could find more and better women representation in this kind of talks which are closer to Elica in delivering messages! Doesn’t have to be of the same opinion.
I would love for Elica to debate someone like Mehdi Hasan. That would be two smart informed people on different sides of the argument. I would love to see that ❤
Of course, the pro Palestinian guest are random people off the street. The One dude is an American truck driver 🤦♂️ This is sucha set up. Never trust Zio Adam again. Bring educated guest that have some authority to speak on the topic. Elica the Iranian lil boy is fake news. She twist facts and changes context so well it’s scary. From her statements I can tell she has no knowledge of Islam or the history. People like her is why Islamaphobia is rampant
@@Mariahmusicfulthere’s a great debate between Mehdi Hasan and Natasha Hausdorff (Douglas Murray was also part of it), and I was surprised to see that she was way more informed than him and made much better points
The Jordanian girl is absolutely embarrassing, she pretty much represents the level of all the “free Palestine” activists- zero knowledge and lots of confidence. Elica is amazing as always
@@user-pl9wu1xy3m Elica was making the argument that Mohammad persecuted and subjugated the jews, it's literally in the Islamic books, she ain't lying. The jews didn't put any threat to Mohammad or his followers but criticised him!
Actually the Arabic doctor guy was the most informed out of all them and correctly stated historical facts, Elica could not debunk them she just kept talking loud over him
So frustrating watching reasonable, educated people trying to communicate with unreasonable misinformed biased idiots. Thank god for Elica. Manal is completely unqualified to be on this panel or any platform for that matter and needs to shush when the adults are talking and learn how to listen coz she might actually learn something.
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Not exactly. everything she said its wrong. she is baised. she didn't mention how they used to be traiters and hit in the back. if she wants to make it all history then she needs to mention clearly cannaities are arabs came from decendent of shem who went from canaan land after flood to arabia then he got lots of sons and kids then decendents went back to canaan land . basically they are the oldest arabs. then abraham came from iraq and lived as nomad
“Before the creation of Israel, Arab and Jews co existed peacefully” is the biggest lie I have ever heard 😂😂😂 This guys need to open a history book and learn about all the pogroms in Ottoman and British Palestine.
@@kitkatkitty426 That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
@@kitkatkitty426 That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
Elica is an absolute Goddess whilst the Jordanian girl including all of the other Pro-Palestinian panel were so so incredibly disrespectful to her. The Jordanian girl clearly hasn’t picked up a single book in her lifetime and couldn’t conjure up a shred of intelligence to articulate a single point. You guys made yourselves look like absolute dimwits! This whole debate however awful reverted whatever sympathy I felt for the Palestinians.
Actually the Arabic doctor guy was the most informed out of all them and correctly stated historical facts, Elica could not debunk them she just kept talking loud over him
@NavAK_86 i am not scared of effing muslim and again watch the video since you haven't as he said that they lived in peace and she interjected and called bs on it, I am not doing your homework you clown/troll.
@@dragonofdojima7630 like what? And the only people who live in Echo chambers are the only people who live off of welfare a.k.a. our tax money in the United States.
That Jordanian girl is the reason why didn't finish watching this video. Also since she's pro palestinian, she can advocate for her county becoming Palestine since Jordan is historic Palestine and was meant to be Palestine, there's your 2 state solution.
Let me start by saying I’m a Latina, I don’t understand the conflict that is happening between israel and Palestine. I came here hoping to learn from the panelists. I would’ve preferred 2 of their BEST panelists on each side to be able to have this conversation because there was so many times that I was trying to understand a speaker and they kept being rude and interrupting them. The lady in the zoom (don’t wanna botch her name) came really well prepared I loved her. also, I noticed it was the same people fighting the same side that kept going over each other. The male panelists on the left were very respectful of each other’s time. The panelists on the right looked very angry. I hope there’s another episode where they can get a chance to speak respectfully to help audiences like me understand more. 🤷🏽♀️
Lol you pretty much summed it up. One side being respectful and intellectual (Israel) while the other is rude and angry (Palestine) is the super high level explanation of the conflict🤷🏽♀️
As Thomas Sowell said: “It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.” Well done Elica, Gabe and the Rabbi. Truth is the highest virtue. This is what makes you great.
Exhausting- “why should the arabs have agreed to including Jews in the land and having their own state with the white papers?! Why should they, they ask. It’s *their* land, so why should they share it, they decry. But simultaneously , “why go so far back in history to discuss who the land belonged to first- is it *really relevant*?!”. Is establishing that the word Palestinian in its origins has absolutely nothing to do with the modern interpretation and social identity, but rather with an Aegean group truly that important?! - but hey, why “knit pick” 😳 And also, the Arabs *accepted* Jews after the Holocaust with open arms-yessssss, such open arms to a region that they weren’t even in control of 🤔 reminder: at the time the region was the BRITISH MANDATE. The Arabs themselves didn’t accept nothing or no one, do not credit yourselves with rescuing or saving anyone’s dreams. Your absolutism and rejection of Jews shines perfectly in your epic failure to even approach Elica’s sound understanding of history and facts. I’ll close with my favourite mind numbing exercise of “Dhimmitude” was enforced and a tax was required but it was *actually* beneficial and offered “protection” and Muslims had to pay an even greater tax- so Jews should have been grateful 🙄🙄. My gd, your insane revisionism and white washing is mind blowing- this whole movement is fraught with either extreme delusion or intense malicious liars- Sit down and be quiet, and listen to Elica, ya manyakim.
Above all the real joke here is the ignorance of all the pro Palestine people , the Palestinian “Christian “ truck driver who claims to be a Christian , then you obviously didn’t read ANY part of the Bible where it mentions Israel 🇮🇱 throughout how many times ???????
Kareem came in prepared AF. not sure if I agree with all his points, but he was super smart and had his sources on lock. please bring him back, we need more of that
@@mldknetemann9223 [Quran 5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
Maimonides in his own words “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.”
So intelligent and honest people who are able to bring arguments to the table that are based on ACTUAL knowledge and facts are being paid by the Jews? Sure sister. You lose, blame the opponent. Never take responsibility. It's never your fault. Victim mentality. Just like the Arabs calling themselves Palestinians.
The name of that Jewish Israeli person is Eyal Waldman, the head of NVIDIA Israel. He hired dozens of Palestinians in Gaza as NVIDIA engineers. No Arab country in the world has NVIDIA R&D, Gaza had. On 7th October Hamas murdered his daughter and his boyfriend.
Adam is the worst person to host this debate. He was unable at so many points to control the outbursts of the guests and kept asking stupid questions that were not productive to finding peaceful solutions.
Elica ❤ what a goddess. I’m in love! She single-handedly made this debate worth watching. The one civilized and reasonable guy on the Palestinian side also knew a bit of history but only the convenient part of history, the one that served his points, I guess sneakily omitting important facts that would paint a complete different picture.
How can no one call out the Palestinian side complete reversal of cause and effect. They say just let the Arab Palestinians live without walls and give them “freedom” (though they don’t articulate what that means)…but the walls and separations and restrictions on weapons imports/security ALL came as a result of Palestinian Arab freedom. They had no walls, they could go where ever they wanted and the extreme violence against the Jews/Israelis happened. That’s why the security restrictions and walls had to be put I place. How could anyone ever make the argument that all the killing would stop if they just let the Arab Palestinians do whatever they want in Israel??? Aka “freedom”. It’s unfathomable, can’t take anyone seriously that says that. “You had to take over security, build walls, and restrict weapons to stop the killing of Israelis/Jews…so removing the walls and restrictions will someone stop the continual attempts at killing Israelis and Jews”???? Makes logical sense.
This debate was a total shit show. The problem is that you can’t have this many ppl discuss this many topics. And for some reason I got cut off every time I tried to make a point (often by Adam). That being said I appreciate you guys having me on. Valuetainment staff is always great
You also need a panel of people who have a base understanding of historical facts. Too much time was wasted with Elica trying to explain widely accepted history to Manal, who denied the atrocities of October 7th even happened. You came off as the most educated on your side though, for what it’s worth.
The prophet Muhammad (SAW) did not drive out Jewish tribes from Mecca 😂 he was being persecuted in Mecca by the Quraysh tribe who were idolators because he preached monotheism. Jewish tribes were driven out of Medina but the real reason no one knows why and I doubt she does seeing that she already lied about what happened in Mecca 😂
43:49 is where I quit. Couldn't stand a moment more of this hideous, ignorant disrespectful panel and the appalling lack of moderation. This was a disgrace.
OMG i don’t know why Elica waisted her time with this. This is the worst debate I have ever seen. And I do have no words for the october 7th denying girl. It’s ridiculous.
the palestinian side doesn't let the other side talk, it's so annoying to watch. Some of the Jews barely got to talk, and whenever they did, they kept on being interrupted.
Couldn’t watch. This lady Elica has infinite patience and makes so much sense, it’s incredible they were trying to debate her with these ignorant statements
You definitely blew it w your Christian representative. He "traveled over there". Try watching listening and learning from a Christian who lives there, knows and speaks the truth.
So this is pretty fascinating to me; I can pull up a video like this one where the premise of the discussion is significantly important, but the actual content is very limited with any rhetoric capable of moving the needle on either side. That is in part because of Adam’s limited understanding of the history, which makes it hard for him to ask the right questions at the right time to push the discussion forward in a logical and constructive manner. Another reason is due to the lack of structure in the formatting of the discussion. Adam too often tries to play a numbers game with his panels. (He does this with every topic, not just this one) It usually comes off messy and unorganized due to the fact there are too many people speaking over one another, etc. which doesn’t allow the listener to hear each argument in full. Imo, this would have been 100x better if he had just two guests on each side, and it was done in proper debate format. BUT, the point of my entire comment is that even though all of these issues occur, and even though the entire video is full of random references and historical records (and some blatant inaccuracies) thrown around without any real-time fact checking, it has for some unknown reasons clearly spread to some parts of the Arab world that doesn’t want the information getting out. I say this because I have personally never seen so many blatant Muslim/ Arabic bots in the comments as I have with this video. All you have to do is scroll thru these comments, and you will quickly realize there are dozens and dozens of “Pro-Palestinian” bots littered throughout the comments. Idk why this is, I am just pointing it out. As a proud Jew, it’s fascinating and almost a little comical to see these types of persuasive attempts by the Muslim world appear on videos even as incoherent as this one. It’s a reminder as well for those of us logical enough to determine right from wrong, that we need to always have our head on a swivel. If UA-cam comments can be this easily programmed to contain mass “bots” , we should always take our interactions on all social media platforms with a grain of sand.
The level of imbecility and sheer stupidity is hard to watch with respect to the pro Palestinian panel with exception of some positions stated by the Dr.
It's weird because the pro Palestine woman doesn't seem to be on the same page or straight out avoiding to state her views. you'd think she would simply say "US is the main disestabilizing force in the region". It sounds pretty clear that is her point of view but she keep beating around the bush to never clearly state it. I am not even saying she is right or wrong but I don't understand why doesn't she just say it so the discussion can move forward, people can discuss what they agree or disagree about it. Isn't stating her view of the conflict what she is there for? The impression that gives me is she is not holding a strong card to discuss the historical and foreign politics minutiae with people who are well knowledgeable of it and tries to stay on vague statements so she is is not cornered with questions she is not prepared to answer. You need someone better than that to defend pro Palestine views.
Literally the best debate on the Israel Palestine conflict. Team Israel won 🏆 Take my child and I will do whatever it takes (man woman and child) to get mine back.
Elica say whate is & truth, history. Greece and Armenië and polen and spain is Europe take by ottoman empire and barbery empire slavery & Muslim s don't whant to ear it and blame west typical
Lmaoooooo the dud “I’ve been watching a lot of UA-cam lately “ lololololololololol and that is the basis of historical fact for him . That’s the problem
Kareem is so smart, his points were well researched and he actually used real evidence. even if i don’t fully agree, you can’t deny he was the most prepared
The guy with the pen stayed calm through all the chaos and his reasoning was solid. Like, he actually knew what he was talking about! Would love to hear him talk more
Richard the apologist Jew & whatever the other apologist Jew on the right is - OMG where do they get off? Thank goodness for Elica & the 3 Jewish gentlemen on the left. Best not to mention the Pally female with so little knowledge.
It was very disappointing that there wasn't any push back of many of the lies from the side that supports the terrorist and that really should have been debunked by the Jewish side.
That girl on zoom keeps interrupting everyone and then complains when it happens to her .. she’s really the biggest pseudo intellectual I’ve seen on this topic
That Manal is an absolute child, maybe invite her back in 15 years when she has the maturity of a 12 year old, just wondering if she learnt to count off of tiktok aswell as history...??
Finally a valuable episode on Soscast not about money and redpill nonsense. The the lady calling in (Elica) destroyed the pro Palestine side with being direct and concise with pure facts and being good looking to boot.
I hope that Jordanian women has watched this back and is as embarrassed of herself as I was watching her.
Everyone embarrassed themselves
@@mohammadsaberi983 nope Elica was incredibly articulate and approached it respectfully with a wealth of historical knowledge therefore its very clear that it was only the Pro palestinian panel that made themselves look like absolute dimwits! The Jordanian girl, and the other two guys didn’t have a shred of knowledge nor intelligence to make a plausible argument !
She has s..t for brains.
@@mohammadsaberi983 no Iranian lady was on point, your an Islamist who doesn’t want to accept historicity and well documented supremacist.
true dat!
the jordanian girl has zero idea what she's talking about wow. Elica is single handedly destroying her.
She is not Jordanian she is Palestinian
All emotions with literally 0 facts
How I watched the whole video no proof no evidence what so everrrrrr
No proof no evidence and you just choose sides because “she sounds more calm and clear so she must be right”
Imagine the level of hate you need to have a woman deny that rape occurred.
JORDANIAN GIRL: everything she said was incorrect
ADAM: Like what specifically?
JORDANIAN GIRL -- Everything.
wow, so intelligent!
ELICA: It's quite literally documented in history.
Fact and Jordan lady feelings over fact 😅
She lied about the persecution of Jews in Mecca in the first 14 minutes of the show. The polytheistic Quraysh tribe were prosecuting Muhammad for monotheism
@@user-pl9wu1xy3m is not truth, go hadthid. We are irian
@@user-pl9wu1xy3m
Your second sentence has no connection to the first.
Jordanian girl is absolutely ignorant, as bad as the Palestinian Christian, he claims to be a Christian, but has no idea what the Bible says about the jews, and that Jesus was a jew from Israel.
“Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.” This is why history matters.
This was like watching a grad school professor (Elica) try to explain basic history to self-assured kindergarteners
😂
Shes a zionist mouth piece. Not sure why youre impressed with her. She recycles the same talking points like she does on piers morgan
this comment wins
I was getting 2nd hand embarresment for the right panel
Ahaha I study history everything she said came from Wikipedia she’s been brainwashed she has no evidence or anything to back up her claims and you believe it 🤣🤣🤣 without any proof
Absolute joke having Manal on this panel when she doesn’t consider Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis terrorist organisations and denies the atrocities of Oct 7.
Hope she’s on the US Terror Watchlist with extreme opinions like these.
People believe in fighting for rights I do not support terrorists but I support someone fighting for evidence and proof of there rights and the right of knowledge of who’s right who’s wrong they are clearly covering stuff up of thing you clearly have no knowledge about
I think all radicals need to repent and seek jesus christ but hoping someones onna watch list just cuz they disagree with you is mad soft tissue boy energy bro, grow up.
@@xXQSLegend123Xx bro wtf are you even talking about you either worded that and typed that all wrong or you have no brain
I do think IDF is a terrorist organization as well
The word terrorism is so watered down it doesnt nean jackshit anymore
Terror watchlist 😂😂😂😂 OK snowflake
“Jews were coexisting with Arabs in Palestine just fine before 1948” after the Hebron Massacre is absolutely wild 🙈 Does this Jordanian girl know like anything about history other than what Tiktok tells her? "I've always seen Palestine on a map" - what map? The map of the times of Saladin? Why is she on this panel even?
Why is any of them on the panel 😂
@@mohammadsaberi983 to have a fruitful conversation I would hope. But she is clearly not a part of it.
Their idea 💡 and agenda is it’s not a territorial claim by a nation. Their agenda is Ottomans, Salad Al-Deen & other Muslims ruled those lands so because they’re Muslims that’s acceptable. Why??? Because it’s religious dominance not national sovereignty.
These people are justifying their agenda and any resistance to their focus is justified terrorism. When you listen to the Pro Israeli panellist talk facts, rational thinking & critical. While the Pro Palestinian panellists are emotional driven and loyalties are to Islam and their agenda.
She is such a fucking ditz makes the beautiful elica seem even more well spoken and better educated.
@@thesunisup_ That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
Elika the daughter of Iran is actually talking on behalf of all Iranians. Regime change must happen in Iran if we want peace in the Middle East. Iran should be run by Pahlavi dynasty like before 1979 .
Yes we Iranians support this. ☪️ is only hatred . We’ve learned it the hard way and paid with our blood
When someone says that Jews and Muslims were “coexisting fine” before the State of Israel their opinion should immediately be discarded.
Parrot talking point - point them to the Tanzimat agreement. A negotiation that had to be interceded by the Europeans to stop the Muslims from treating Christians and jews like dhimmus (second class citizens)
why? is it because you have too little knowledge to debunk it or even argue otherwise? lol
That is true however it is in the interest of the world for a two state solution
@@Robertsmith001 since when is the resolution of conflicts in interest of the " world" ? lol
@@farsalami8605 No it's because the person is completely ignorant about the history
Erica knows her stuff. Like her logical approach to things.
It's Elica :) and I agree
She doesn’t and it’s sad it’s more than just religion that’s causing this war it’s “Everything” and if you think that go back in history
@@mohammadsaberi983 If it isn't about religion, why did Hamas claim that after the IDF rescued the last hostage, they let him go because they realized he wasn't Jewish? There is a guy on UA-cam who interviews Muslims from all around the world, and when he asks them if Israel would still be attacked if every Israeli converted to Islam, they all reply no since they are all Muslims.
@@nbussar1 sabotage espionage framing blackmail etc etc list goes on for wtvr reason
@@mohammadsaberi983 you didn't negate his point in fact your arguably made it stronger.
The pro Palestinian girl.. I saw the picture I saw the map... where on TikTok🤣🤣🤣? Literally academia and knowledge having conversation with a tik tok graduates
As soon as they use the argument Muslims, Christians & Jews were living together holding hands singing kumbaya, they lose all credibility in my eyes as an Assyrian. Sosnick bring in Christian Assyrians or even Jewish Assyrians who lived in Turkey, Iraq, Syria and Iran and ask them how were their grandparents and great grandparents treated by muslims including Turks, Kurds, Arabs, Iranians, chechins etc
I thought the same.
it is such a non historical nonsense that is easy to prove wrong. But somehow it turned into a popular narrative among the Pro-Palestine people and, no matter how many times they are proven wrong on that, they insist on repeating. What an odd hill to die on.
Assuming the historical reality that there was always conflict, and some of them instigated by the Arabs, doesn't diminish any plight for a ceasefire or the Palestine cause.
it is only about having an honest conversation.
It ends up reading as shallow and , mildly or deeply, antisemitic that only the Jews are to blame for everything.
Nobody else EVER did anything wrong. Or if they did they are justified no matter what it was ( even the October 7th pogrom ).
How can one talk to these people?
Maybe you should ask avi shlaim a jewish iraqi who has second hand stories from his mother on how stern and irgun gangs commited terror acts to expadite jewish emigration.
@@dila01 its all propaganda BS by the Arab league propaganda. who hung his brothers in mass on street of Bagdad during the farhoud massacre sure buddy the "irgun did it "nice try. Keep stories and fiction in the movies my friend.
Pro Palestinian lady is coming across childish, uneducated and not able to speak facts. Moreover, she denies facts because she doesn’t like them. And her talking points is just slogans from propaganda. This is just sad to see.
Adam, I am sure you could find more and better women representation in this kind of talks which are closer to Elica in delivering messages! Doesn’t have to be of the same opinion.
I would love for Elica to debate someone like Mehdi Hasan. That would be two smart informed people on different sides of the argument. I would love to see that ❤
@@Mariahmusicful indeed! let debate be small but with educated and well outspoken people!
@Mariahmusicful MH is not informed at all. Try someone else.
Of course, the pro Palestinian guest are random people off the street. The One dude is an American truck driver 🤦♂️ This is sucha set up. Never trust Zio Adam again. Bring educated guest that have some authority to speak on the topic.
Elica the Iranian lil boy is fake news. She twist facts and changes context so well it’s scary. From her statements I can tell she has no knowledge of Islam or the history. People like her is why Islamaphobia is rampant
@@Mariahmusicfulthere’s a great debate between Mehdi Hasan and Natasha Hausdorff (Douglas Murray was also part of it), and I was surprised to see that she was way more informed than him and made much better points
Sickening Jew-hatred. I feel sick to my stomach. Glad Elica is there to regulate. Such a shameful display of hatred, bigotry, and ignorance.
The Jordanian girl is absolutely embarrassing, she pretty much represents the level of all the “free Palestine” activists- zero knowledge and lots of confidence. Elica is amazing as always
Exactly!
Literally
Your Elica lied in the first 14 minutes of the show and you ate it up!
It was Muhammad being persecuted by the polytheistic Quraysh tribe lmao
@@user-pl9wu1xy3m ok “user-pl9wu2xy3m”
@@user-pl9wu1xy3m Elica was making the argument that Mohammad persecuted and subjugated the jews, it's literally in the Islamic books, she ain't lying. The jews didn't put any threat to Mohammad or his followers but criticised him!
Elica is so spot on my gosh no one came close to her
Actually the Arabic doctor guy was the most informed out of all them and correctly stated historical facts, Elica could not debunk them she just kept talking loud over him
@@NavAK_86 The doctor was spreading misinformation
The country of Palestine. That’s what the Palestinian woman said. She needs to be corrected. There was never a country of Palestine.
The 1929 Hebron's massacre of 67 jews by palestinian people has left the chat
Arab people*. Palestinians weren’t a thing till 1960s
Don't forget Safed massacre, Trobius massacre and progroms
Whatever girls name on set is , keep her out of logical / educational discussions because she lacks both 😭 respectfully
So frustrating watching reasonable, educated people trying to communicate with unreasonable misinformed biased idiots.
Thank god for Elica.
Manal is completely unqualified to be on this panel or any platform for that matter and needs to shush when the adults are talking and learn how to listen coz she might actually learn something.
DEI invite 😅
Both women shouldn't have been there, they both made the discussion worse
@@jasonsierchio1167Elica was the most insightful and reasonable out of the whole panel as of now 1:22:34
@@robertcampomizzi7988 Not exactly. everything she said its wrong. she is baised. she didn't mention how they used to be traiters and hit in the back. if she wants to make it all history then she needs to mention clearly cannaities are arabs came from decendent of shem who went from canaan land after flood to arabia then he got lots of sons and kids then decendents went back to canaan land . basically they are the oldest arabs. then abraham came from iraq and lived as nomad
Oh I thought you were talking about the genocide supporters first
This Palestinian doctor just said israel is the biggest destablizer and then blames the Syrian genocide on the U.S 😅
Well it’s Israel through the U.S. so ….
@@Dyl-m3l the Syrian genocide is Syrians vs Syrians, you Arabs love putting responsibility on other people 😆
@@Dyl-m3l No Israel is independent country soveirgn country unlike Syria that is occupying Syria. Get your facts straight.
@@danielkh7103 ugh you’re such a sad Jew 🤦🏽♂️
Israel helped injured Syrian civilians by giving them in hospital care. They helped refugees be safe.
The guy sitting next to the Jordanian girl didn't even know what Gaza was on a map when he debated Destiny. Watch it, I recommend. Make popcorn.
No. I got a small map confused, I’ve been to the border w Gaza so obviously am familiar w it
And Destiny didn't know where Israel was on a map.
“Before the creation of Israel, Arab and Jews co existed peacefully” is the biggest lie I have ever heard 😂😂😂 This guys need to open a history book and learn about all the pogroms in Ottoman and British Palestine.
@@kitkatkitty426 That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
@@kitkatkitty426 That is the biggest lie ever, from Islam's creation Muslims have persecuted Jews, just like Christians have because both Islam and Chrisianity practice replacement theology, unlike Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism. In fact, till this day Muslims persecute all the religions in the world all over the world in every continent. Look what is happening especially in Europe.
I’m so hungry bc Elica ate and left ABSOLUTELY NO CRUMBS
Elica is an absolute Goddess whilst the Jordanian girl including all of the other Pro-Palestinian panel were so so incredibly disrespectful to her. The Jordanian girl clearly hasn’t picked up a single book in her lifetime and couldn’t conjure up a shred of intelligence to articulate a single point. You guys made yourselves look like absolute dimwits! This whole debate however awful reverted whatever sympathy I felt for the Palestinians.
Elica is such a boss, we need more of her on this earth
Actually the Arabic doctor guy was the most informed out of all them and correctly stated historical facts, Elica could not debunk them she just kept talking loud over him
@@NavAK_86 she did though, so once again you lost.
@@dragonofdojima7630 why are u so scared? Name where she corrected it
@NavAK_86 i am not scared of effing muslim and again watch the video since you haven't as he said that they lived in peace and she interjected and called bs on it, I am not doing your homework you clown/troll.
@@NavAK_86 I just told you it is in the video and better yet why dont you tell me where he refuted it?
Elica is sucha good speaker
As an Iranian I’m proud of Erica
I thought u were aramean/assyrian by that flag?
At least Elica was there to gove some truth and history…
😂😂😂😂😂😂 no she didn’t
@thestruggleisallthatmatter8833 lol yes she did, you guys are just so used to living in an echo chamber.
@@dragonofdojima7630 like what? And the only people who live in Echo chambers are the only people who live off of welfare a.k.a. our tax money in the United States.
By truth and history you mean interrupt and annoy
@@jasonsierchio1167 you dumba** the whole panel was doing that.
That Jordanian girl is the reason why didn't finish watching this video.
Also since she's pro palestinian, she can advocate for her county becoming Palestine since Jordan is historic Palestine and was meant to be Palestine, there's your 2 state solution.
I bet 95% of what the Jordanian girl heard was first time she hears
Let me start by saying I’m a Latina, I don’t understand the conflict that is happening between israel and Palestine. I came here hoping to learn from the panelists. I would’ve preferred 2 of their BEST panelists on each side to be able to have this conversation because there was so many times that I was trying to understand a speaker and they kept being rude and interrupting them. The lady in the zoom (don’t wanna botch her name) came really well prepared I loved her. also, I noticed it was the same people fighting the same side that kept going over each other. The male panelists on the left were very respectful of each other’s time. The panelists on the right looked very angry. I hope there’s another episode where they can get a chance to speak respectfully to help audiences like me understand more. 🤷🏽♀️
Lol you pretty much summed it up. One side being respectful and intellectual (Israel) while the other is rude and angry (Palestine) is the super high level explanation of the conflict🤷🏽♀️
Israel and Palestine explained in your post. No cap!
The Arabic dr. on the right was respectful and debunked everyone
the panelist on the right especially the white shirt dude is out of his league on this topic.
You're correct
You are amazing Elica ❤
Great show Adam. The pro Israel side clearly had the more historically accurate and logical arguments
History is written by the victors...
Elica is the only who knows something and she is not allowed answer any quedtion, why?
Adam please invite Mosab Hassan Yousef to a future interview. The dude is legit badass & fascinating character. Thanks!
Elica, the adult in the room. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Elica is queen 👑
She’s an absolute dumbass. What is she is supposed to be a panel of Christian Jews and Muslims? Is she an atheist with plastic surgery?
sirnp
As Thomas Sowell said: “It is usually futile to try to talk facts and analysis to people who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority in their ignorance.” Well done Elica, Gabe and the Rabbi. Truth is the highest virtue. This is what makes you great.
so the only person who knows anything at all is Elica?!! lol
Great panel of toddlers.
A suitable bunch moderated by Adam lol
Exhausting- “why should the arabs have agreed to including Jews in the land and having their own state with the white papers?! Why should they, they ask. It’s *their* land, so why should they share it, they decry. But simultaneously , “why go so far back in history to discuss who the land belonged to first- is it *really relevant*?!”. Is establishing that the word Palestinian in its origins has absolutely nothing to do with the modern interpretation and social identity, but rather with an Aegean group truly that important?! - but hey, why “knit pick” 😳 And also, the Arabs *accepted* Jews after the Holocaust with open arms-yessssss, such open arms to a region that they weren’t even in control of 🤔 reminder: at the time the region was the BRITISH MANDATE. The Arabs themselves didn’t accept nothing or no one, do not credit yourselves with rescuing or saving anyone’s dreams. Your absolutism and rejection of Jews shines perfectly in your epic failure to even approach Elica’s sound understanding of history and facts. I’ll close with my favourite mind numbing exercise of “Dhimmitude” was enforced and a tax was required but it was *actually* beneficial and offered “protection” and Muslims had to pay an even greater tax- so Jews should have been grateful 🙄🙄. My gd, your insane revisionism and white washing is mind blowing- this whole movement is fraught with either extreme delusion or intense malicious liars- Sit down and be quiet, and listen to Elica, ya manyakim.
Above all the real joke here is the ignorance of all the pro Palestine people , the Palestinian “Christian “ truck driver who claims to be a Christian , then you obviously didn’t read ANY part of the Bible where it mentions Israel 🇮🇱 throughout how many times ???????
Only a Christian in name.
Kareem came in prepared AF. not sure if I agree with all his points, but he was super smart and had his sources on lock. please bring him back, we need more of that
Elica delivered the facts and she delivered them with true strength.
Adam! Take control of your show. When everyone is talking at the same time, it is too hard to listen.
There seem to be a lot of Arabic bots in the comments who can't handle the fact that Elica is a boss.
Thank god for Elica. What an impressive woman.
Pakistan 1947 new country? Is hypocritical from pro Palestine people. Are 22 countries muslim countries. 1 jews country ? Whate is the problem.
Funny say in qoran 5:51
@@mldknetemann9223 [Quran 5:51] O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
No compulsion in Islam (nor islamism) or Judaism (nor Zionism) etc.
Maimonides in his own words “God has entangled us with this people, the nation of Ishmael, who treat us so prejudicially and who legislate our harm and hatred…. No nation has ever arisen more harmful than they, nor has anyone done more to humiliate us, degrade us, and consolidate hatred against us.”
That Islamic woman is so biased. I can't believe she was invited to this podcast.
You have too many unqualified people here to talk on this, this was not good
Elica, you're the voice of reason and sanity ❤
I want a girl like Elica in my life,
Beauty and brains
Make up n plastic surgery! Shes a snake too
Rafi is a boss
Takes one to know one Baghdaddy!
The guy with the pen in his hand didnt understand the game. Actually neither did any of the panels of pro-pals. Very telling
@@mariakakeeto4652 they were incapable of being pro Israel. It’s deep deep hatred they can’t even pretend to hide
Every debate I see with pro-Palestinians I become more zionist.
Because you’ve been heavily brainwashed ..and now you think it’s ok to bomb innocent civilians
@@ameliabrand2138innocent civilians? Thre is no such thing in Gaza.
@@DonXardas genocide supporter that’s what you are .. shame on you .. have a miserable life
How much is AIPAC paying Elika? 😊
So intelligent and honest people who are able to bring arguments to the table that are based on ACTUAL knowledge and facts are being paid by the Jews? Sure sister. You lose, blame the opponent. Never take responsibility. It's never your fault. Victim mentality. Just like the Arabs calling themselves Palestinians.
The name of that Jewish Israeli person is Eyal Waldman, the head of NVIDIA Israel. He hired dozens of Palestinians in Gaza as NVIDIA engineers. No Arab country in the world has NVIDIA R&D, Gaza had. On 7th October Hamas murdered his daughter and his boyfriend.
Adam is the worst person to host this debate. He was unable at so many points to control the outbursts of the guests and kept asking stupid questions that were not productive to finding peaceful solutions.
Elica really was just schooling them.
Manal speaks like the viral Miss Teen USA 2007 - South Carolina lol "such as..."
Hamas didn't use ALL the international aid on tunnels, they also used the money to fund lavish lifestyles in Qatar
Elica ❤ what a goddess. I’m in love! She single-handedly made this debate worth watching.
The one civilized and reasonable guy on the Palestinian side also knew a bit of history but only the convenient part of history, the one that served his points, I guess sneakily omitting important facts that would paint a complete different picture.
How can no one call out the Palestinian side complete reversal of cause and effect. They say just let the Arab Palestinians live without walls and give them “freedom” (though they don’t articulate what that means)…but the walls and separations and restrictions on weapons imports/security ALL came as a result of Palestinian Arab freedom. They had no walls, they could go where ever they wanted and the extreme violence against the Jews/Israelis happened. That’s why the security restrictions and walls had to be put I place. How could anyone ever make the argument that all the killing would stop if they just let the Arab Palestinians do whatever they want in Israel??? Aka “freedom”. It’s unfathomable, can’t take anyone seriously that says that. “You had to take over security, build walls, and restrict weapons to stop the killing of Israelis/Jews…so removing the walls and restrictions will someone stop the continual attempts at killing Israelis and Jews”???? Makes logical sense.
This debate was a total shit show. The problem is that you can’t have this many ppl discuss this many topics. And for some reason I got cut off every time I tried to make a point (often by Adam). That being said I appreciate you guys having me on. Valuetainment staff is always great
You also need a panel of people who have a base understanding of historical facts. Too much time was wasted with Elica trying to explain widely accepted history to Manal, who denied the atrocities of October 7th even happened. You came off as the most educated on your side though, for what it’s worth.
@@Life_Examinedthanks man, I wish I had more time to outline my points. Because this was like 5% of my knowledge
@@PlayingWithFireChannel stop making excuses and just accept that your facts are half assed and your delivery sucks
@@PlayingWithFireChannel next time go to public speaking classes before showing up to a debate unable to put 3 words together
She’s always crying about being interrupted but then does it to everyone else? LOL, the part where she got muted was pure gold
The palestine lady should move there and see how happy she is
nah... she just a professional virtue signal leftie bot. She ain't needing any of those broke ass arabs. She just wants the sugar daddy Soros money
Shes Jordanian she said!
she is the spawn of the Devil and Karl Marx
The prophet Muhammad (SAW) did not drive out Jewish tribes from Mecca 😂 he was being persecuted in Mecca by the Quraysh tribe who were idolators because he preached monotheism. Jewish tribes were driven out of Medina but the real reason no one knows why and I doubt she does seeing that she already lied about what happened in Mecca 😂
43:49 is where I quit.
Couldn't stand a moment more of this hideous, ignorant disrespectful panel and the appalling lack of moderation.
This was a disgrace.
I tried dude
I’d love to see a full episode with Karim. His points were solid and he was one of the few who didn’t let emotions get in the way of facts
Cab driver in the middle east has more geopolitical knowledge than this entire panel lol
OMG i don’t know why Elica waisted her time with this. This is the worst debate I have ever seen. And I do have no words for the october 7th denying girl. It’s ridiculous.
the palestinian side doesn't let the other side talk, it's so annoying to watch. Some of the Jews barely got to talk, and whenever they did, they kept on being interrupted.
Go Elica................. 🎉😊🎉 COMMON LOGIC SENSE!!!!!!!!!
You have a lawyer and judge/ rabbi on one side and a activist , dating coach on the other side 🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️🤦🏽♀️
Couldn’t watch. This lady Elica has infinite patience and makes so much sense, it’s incredible they were trying to debate her with these ignorant statements
Love Elica Le Bon!!!!
You definitely blew it w your Christian representative. He "traveled over there". Try watching listening and learning from a Christian who lives there, knows and speaks the truth.
Sorry I blew it for you 😅
How difficult it was for the "palestinian" side to pretend be Israeli. That show us who really want peace
So this is pretty fascinating to me; I can pull up a video like this one where the premise of the discussion is significantly important, but the actual content is very limited with any rhetoric capable of moving the needle on either side. That is in part because of Adam’s limited understanding of the history, which makes it hard for him to ask the right questions at the right time to push the discussion forward in a logical and constructive manner. Another reason is due to the lack of structure in the formatting of the discussion. Adam too often tries to play a numbers game with his panels. (He does this with every topic, not just this one) It usually comes off messy and unorganized due to the fact there are too many people speaking over one another, etc. which doesn’t allow the listener to hear each argument in full. Imo, this would have been 100x better if he had just two guests on each side, and it was done in proper debate format. BUT, the point of my entire comment is that even though all of these issues occur, and even though the entire video is full of random references and historical records (and some blatant inaccuracies) thrown around without any real-time fact checking, it has for some unknown reasons clearly spread to some parts of the Arab world that doesn’t want the information getting out. I say this because I have personally never seen so many blatant Muslim/ Arabic bots in the comments as I have with this video. All you have to do is scroll thru these comments, and you will quickly realize there are dozens and dozens of “Pro-Palestinian” bots littered throughout the comments. Idk why this is, I am just pointing it out. As a proud Jew, it’s fascinating and almost a little comical to see these types of persuasive attempts by the Muslim world appear on videos even as incoherent as this one. It’s a reminder as well for those of us logical enough to determine right from wrong, that we need to always have our head on a swivel. If UA-cam comments can be this easily programmed to contain mass “bots” , we should always take our interactions on all social media platforms with a grain of sand.
The level of imbecility and sheer stupidity is hard to watch with respect to the pro Palestinian panel with exception of some positions stated by the Dr.
It's weird because the pro Palestine woman doesn't seem to be on the same page or straight out avoiding to state her views.
you'd think she would simply say "US is the main disestabilizing force in the region". It sounds pretty clear that is her point of view but she keep beating around the bush to never clearly state it.
I am not even saying she is right or wrong but I don't understand why doesn't she just say it so the discussion can move forward, people can discuss what they agree or disagree about it.
Isn't stating her view of the conflict what she is there for?
The impression that gives me is she is not holding a strong card to discuss the historical and foreign politics minutiae with people who are well knowledgeable of it and tries to stay on vague statements so she is is not cornered with questions she is not prepared to answer.
You need someone better than that to defend pro Palestine views.
Literally the best debate on the Israel Palestine conflict.
Team Israel won 🏆
Take my child and I will do whatever it takes (man woman and child) to get mine back.
Elica say whate is & truth, history. Greece and Armenië and polen and spain is Europe take by ottoman empire and barbery empire slavery & Muslim s don't whant to ear it and blame west typical
Lmaoooooo the dud “I’ve been watching a lot of UA-cam lately “ lololololololololol and that is the basis of historical fact for him . That’s the problem
Funny I know
Kareem is so smart, his points were well researched and he actually used real evidence. even if i don’t fully agree, you can’t deny he was the most prepared
Pro hamas can't never give a direct answer
The guy with the pen stayed calm through all the chaos and his reasoning was solid. Like, he actually knew what he was talking about! Would love to hear him talk more
Richard the apologist Jew & whatever the other apologist Jew on the right is - OMG where do they get off? Thank goodness for Elica & the 3 Jewish gentlemen on the left. Best not to mention the Pally female with so little knowledge.
How did Palestinians travel miles without Israeli military intervention. Whatever
This Jordanian girl, is not smart at all... I'm sorry 😂😂
Queen Elica 💪🏻❤️
Elica ❤
mad respect for Karim, he was calm, logical, and really prepared. Adam should definitely bring him back for more discussions like this
End the occupation Free Palestine
FINALLY SOSCAST IS BACK!!!
It was very disappointing that there wasn't any push back of many of the lies from the side that supports the terrorist and that really should have been debunked by the Jewish side.
That girl on zoom keeps interrupting everyone and then complains when it happens to her .. she’s really the biggest pseudo intellectual I’ve seen on this topic
That Manal is an absolute child, maybe invite her back in 15 years when she has the maturity of a 12 year old, just wondering if she learnt to count off of tiktok aswell as history...??
Finally a valuable episode on Soscast not about money and redpill nonsense. The the lady calling in (Elica) destroyed the pro Palestine side with being direct and concise with pure facts and being good looking to boot.