Engie Vehicle-To-Grid | Fully Charged
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- On our trip around the Netherlands we stopped by the Engie head office outside Amsterdam to have a look at a functioning vehicle to grid (V2G) system.
More info about Engie V2G trial: bit.ly/2GDb9nP
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Best EV channel on youtube by a mile.
Totally agree...
agreed: funny that the most straightforward, informative, and non-gimmicky channel is from the guy that was a comedy robot on tv.
So it is. But not only EV, it is more of a renewable energy channel.
Only by a mile?
@@oliviermagere by 1.6 km?
Well done for visiting these kind of companies and bringing this to the wider world. This show is truly quality material.. None of that sit in a room and talk opinions.. you guys are at the forefront
Very impressive and futuristic (yet simple to understand) technology!
That recycled battery pack is a great way to make sure batteries last longer by giving them multiple lives!
Would love to see those techniques combined and applied to more (residential?) buildings!
This is great journalism. It shows the bigger picture of how cars are getting merged into the grid. And almost nobody else seems to be reporting on it.
i cannot emphasize how good and current your channel is! it truly is a public service.
Thank you for all these great videos and interesting informations.
I liked that 'honest' approach. Not claiming that it IMPROVED the battery, buy it really just was kinder to the battery, leading to extended life.
UPS and Car batteries tend to get very high discharge rates when used. the gentler 'reuse' allows a tamer discharg rate while remaining useful.
The sad thing, is here in my area, the SERVICING (shop rate) costs many time exceed the part cost. We tend to put in NEW, just to avoid a call out.
Great clear no nonsense channel for EV thikos like me. I lived in Tanzania where you could experience power cuts several times a week, where you can get a trickle charge battery inverter system installed quite easily. But it was expensive due to the small market & taxes etc plus the use of premium new batteries. Ironic the 'developing world' solutions are being re-imagined in the emerging battery to grid world of so called 'developed' countries. The big problem is see is space, which is where the T Powerwall is good. In theory this could transform the business of recycled batteries and the battery market. So many potential market synergies between EV cars, old lead acid batteries, and the powergrid out there. I hope the old legacy power generation companies don't put a drag on this to protect profits. This should be seen as a public good in decarbonising our economy. Interesting times, I hope the channel will keep following this development.
Contacting Engie initially was a total trip for them since they were apparently unaware of the exposure they received from this. Keep up the great work, the future is coming and we all have our own way of designing it.
Fascinating stuff. I work in urban planning and we're seeing more and more applications for battery storage here in the UK
Jon Tait The big benefits are using the excess capacity at night to shift supply to the batteries so eliminating the need to build extra power stations. It will also make a transition to full renewables even easier.
I suspect we will just think of more and more.
Local batteries help take the spikes/peaks off the grid, this makes the whole grid easier to manage when scaled up.
You can charge the batteries off peak, for example Economy 7 in the UK, and so reduce the cost to the customer
love the ducks sitting on the floating solar
The future is excitingly boring. God bless simple solutions.
You mean it's not going to be like a Marvel movie?!
Amen to that. You know that anything on my path is way better than I could have foreseen possible. (I'm still mind-boggled by the speaker, let alone hard-drive speeds.)
This will make old LEAFs values increase greatly! I have been looking for these but can only find them from China and they are not the same voltages as my home and are not up certified...... Great video! Re-use is a great idea :) keeping those batteries in use and sometimes even..... Fully charged
I imagine a scrapper having stacks of squashed old Leafs plugged in to earn a few quid a day per car, on electricity brokering.
Why doesnt it work with CSS?
@@rokadamlje5365 CCS is not certified for bi-directional yet. Only one way into the chrarging port, not back out of the charging port. They are working on it, so will be coming within few years.
If im understanding it correctly, DC connection is directly tied to the battery. What stops the current going the other way other than sensors tied to shutoff switch? Assuming the voltage is lower on the charger side.
Here they claim to be CCS compatible, in the datasheet.
www.pr-electronics.nl/en/news/32/overview-ev-charging-solutions-factsheets-2018/
One of my favorite channels on UA-cam. Keep up the good work!
Very innovative and actual, I am starting to love this show just because the amount of valuable information is able to provide! Brilliant job
You had me at "Hello", the "Vehicle-To-Grid" in the title also helped, so we have potential 1+ billion lead acid batteries for the building storage, nice!
These are by far my favourite type of fully charged video
Good man, this is the new way of thinking!
This is such exciting stuff. Thanks for bringing so much high quality content to us FC team!!
A pallet of old batteries with a pair of Powerlock connectors, old tech becoming high tech. I like it.
Gives new meaning to the term 'jump starting' your mates car and helps with range anxiety, if you run out of juice just get a friend to come with his electric car and give you some of his charge so you can drive to a charging station.
I would dearly love to see you guys work with Edd China -i cant help thinking his dynamic with you guys would be incredible and he is a font of knowledge with a passion for EVs and all things eclectic in vehicles.
edd would be awesome!
From Wheelers Dealers?
Big tall fella with mad grey hair and orange hands.@@arnefines2356
@@arnefines2356 He was a presenter on Wheeler Dealers, yes. He is a qualified Engineering Designer and has held a number of world records for bizarre vehicles. Has been on a number of car shows. I have wanted to see Jonny and Edd together for years, Robert with them would be amazing.
They kind of already have. Ed China was at Fully Charged Live last year with his electric ice cream van.
I thought that was some proper synchronised dual thigh stroking stuff there Robert. There will be more and more of this horse I mean power trading going on. This is an avenue for the "little man" to get some of the action.
I heard on the radio here in the UK that large Supermarkets have all their freezers in all their shops remote controlled and people are employed to look at the real time and volatile wholesale power pricing. When the pricing rises, they remotely (and temporarily) shut down all their freezer "Network" and immediately sell on their "not used" wholesale allocation back to the grid (typically at a profit).
The money can be made in the STORAGE and MOVEMENT of the electricity, not the grid itself. It is kind of like Cloud computing, you "give back" the CPUs you don't need for a short time, and they are re-allocated elsewhere (in real time) but because they are really assigned to you - you get the benefit of the short term "sale" of the (computing) power.
I was also delighted to see good old lead acid getting some notice. I used to work in Data Centres and it would break my heart to see racks of perfectly good 12v Batteries going out the door simply because the contract says they are to be replaced every 24 months. And as mentioned in the video, these batteries are much better quality than your average ICE type battery.
When "really cheap" was mentioned - is there anything more specific on this? The other alternative I know of is the "flow cell" batteries popular in Australia. They are bromide filled Tubs with pumped fluid across plastic membranes. I also read about "DIY" off grid kits using sealed marine batteries. I would think these lead acid batteries are by far the cheapest option.
This is why I haven't purchased a Tesla Powerwall. I drive a 24.6kWh battery pack everyday, why would I pay the same for a stationary battery as I did for my used Fiat 500e? I'm holding out for the future of vehicle to grid home chargers to come to market and I'm really excited about this gaining momentum.
This is a game changing product that will only get better... yet as an amateur weather spotter, I was more fascinated with the incoming squall...
More solutions to thing that I didn't know were a problem. I love the idea of using old data centre batteries.
Dutch humour: "we like cheap!" 1:56
Joost Kaandorp This might explain the expression "Dutch Treat"? Often wondered how this saying came into being.
@@koningsbruggen What about the Brits?
As a dutchman, I can ask “how was copper wire invented?”
Two dutchmen arguing over a penny. . .
humanity likes "cheap" - same here in australia
Roger Beck Especially relevant given they were the first (Europeans) to discover us! Although seems they were too stingy to do anything about it! lol
Hello sir it's good to see you with your channel, I am a huge fan of yours since very 1st day I saw "junkyard wars"
Great idea, this would be great in the case of an emergency, It will save many lives
Normally, I totally cringe when watching a Dutchman speak English, but Jacco did an outstanding job! Well done !
Just have a shot or two of advocaat before listening.
Dutchies are amazing at speaking other languages.
Really interested in this idea of squeezing every last drop of life from lead-acid batteries before they get recycled so bravo sir.
I was a bit confused for a second on the 'pig shaving' till I copped on it was 'peak saving' hehe
A further Step to attack the "Storage Problem" - I support this Idea - Thanks
Love the 4K Quality.
What a great use for old batteries.
Very interesting, and some superb inventions by that company.
V2G actually has possibly the greatest benefit for being able to transfer a lot of our domestic heating needs to renewables, which is the next big problem we face. In Europe, we tend to need heat in the early morning, evening and at night, times when the is zero solar insolation, so we currently use GAS and oil for our heating needs. With V2G you could charge you car at work on daytime solar power, and take it home to heat your house over night!
love the container idea not too sure about the time frame tho but love it none the less
Great video, exciting stuff!
Great video as usual .Thanks Gez.
Dutch summer helps you bridging freezing winter months 😁
Love the idea that this is happening in reality now - matched with a small battery at home plus the back-up from a much bigger EV is a no- brainer - they're all just holding energy at the end of the day so moving it back and forth as needed makes sense. As he points out, most cars sit doing nothing for most of the time. Waiting to see how it develops :)
V2G is also a passion of mine. My family drives two EVs and made a couple hundred dollars USD during 2019 from SDG&E. The payback for our 7.5kw solar system is about 5 years. I think we would make a lot more if we could delivery kilowatts to the grid on-peak. We have 20kW available, and 170kWh of storage. Such a missing link.....
VTG would be great for people who 1) Charge at work for free or cheap 2) Pay for a network which has better rates than an energy supplier 3) People who have an electric meter which charges less for electricity used at night.
cheaper at night: sounds like power from coal or nuclear plant. It is cheaper at night, because they cannot throttle down to lower demand at night times - thus running at full power - giving electricity away for less money...
reusing and recycling all those lead acid bricks is brilliant, nice one to this company, great stuff.
Whenever I hear some Dutch men speaking English it always reminds me of Farengar from Skyrim "Come to Dragonsreach to discuss the ongoing hostilities?" =P
Oh the future is so exciting!
Thanks sir very good video idea
Great stuff Robert - v. interesting.
All we need now is the report on your Tesla Powerwall/new solar PV installation. It must be well over a year now......
400k subs, congrats 👍😎
I loved!! I want in Brazil!!
Woww that's the most British reaction ever: "it's a pretty good woord, we should introduce it😉'. Thanks for this lesson in politness
The next thing should combine this with the car refurbishments from the last episode - turn old fossil fuel cars into electrics, save the batteries and turn them into domestic storage!
Have they announced whether they plan to commercialize the lead acid battery system for home storage(i.e. powerwall competitors)? They seem to be focusing on large corporate office buildings.
loved it!!! thanks for sharing
Great channel !
Thnx Guys!!! 👍
Nice reuse of batteries! If they still have 80% capacity it would be a shame to recycle them.
For V2G, maybe free parking in town in exchange for the utility being allowed to use 10% of the battery capacity of the car could be useful?
Good idea but this would require a lot of infrastructure. What this needs is for a larger country to invest in this wholescale to show the way. And rest will follow.
Vehicle to grid could really be a boon to utility back up systems. It could eventually kill off the dirty and unreliable generator backup systems. Great production!
Robert can you do an update on Shell charging please? Has the roll out happened or stalled? Saw Esso advertising ev chargers on tv last night which was SO good to see?
I feel UK charging network is broken and not improving...am I wrong?
Even Tesla seem to have stopped expanding SC network.
An update would be great please.
"That's all we got time for"? Are the UA-cam servers full lol
Loving the channel
This is the cost of making a part of the solar/wind usefull.
Battery storage should be mandatory with all green projects.
♡ Fantastic show! ♡
Sustainability Love it!
Thanks. Very interesting with Chademo.
I'm *so* waiting for this. My car has a 33kWh battery, and my home uses about 10kWh per day, mostly in the evening, and I normally use much less than 20kWh driving in a day. How cool would it be to power the evening home use from the car battery (already paid for!) and top it up on overnight cheap electricity. Cheaper for me, and a benefit to the power network (once enough people do it) in reducing the need for the high-cost surge power stations - make a real impact.
Unfortunately, need the CCS people to get their fingers out and standardise, and then for the existing CCS vehicle manufacturers to upgrade the cars. I'm not particularly hopeful that the latter will happen, however - we shall see.
Even better still, if you had sufficient solar capacity, charge for free after deducting the cost of your solar array without the need to have extra Tesla Powerwall type storage in the house.
@@pinkelephants1421 Problem with that for me, is the car isn't at home during the day, and I don't use significant power at home during the daylight hours. Point here, is to use the car instead of a house battery (so a significant saving) - which works if the power usage pattern aligns with when the car is attached to the house.
@@kevfquinn Yes, you're absolutely right. Stupid of me not to have thought of that aspect. My suggestion would have made more sense for those working from home or for the retired etc. Home working is supposed to become more common in the future as digitalisation becomes ever more pervasive, if not on a full time basis then say 1 -4 days a week; then my suggestion would be more workable.
@@pinkelephants1421 Its perfect solution for us. We use 30kwh a day but I work from home. So the car would be just sat on the drive all day and if I need to go out, the house uses very very little electricity.
The car could then charge up over night with hopefully very cheap or free energy & during the day the house or grid could use the car.
I have looked into powerwalls but the cost to get 30kwh capacity, its cheaper to buy an old leaf!!
OVO energy offer V2G trial chargers, but reports are very few people get picked to beta test.
@@thomassneath8134 Still doesn't mean it isn't worth talking to OVO Energy. If you've no contact with them then there's certainly no hope of being picked. Sonnen (I think that I've spelt that right) is a German company & they make a Powerwall equivalent & from what I understand they're one of the biggest suppliers of renewable energy stuff & batteries. I've only heard & read about them so you'd need to do your own research.
This show has always been plucky and a bit weird, but I love that. The best part has got to be the production value, especially the graphics.
Yep.. that was very interesting...mobile power units..just need to develop a new app to calculate home to office to home and and use green power
both ends..it's getting more complicating but it's s fascinating a concept. A mobile power grid .
The algorithm to operate this is mind blowing...😁❤
Nice job Jacob
Watching this I was reminded of Hurricane Katrina that took out New Orleans and stories of how some tech savvy types used their Prius’s to back power their houses in 2005. I also heard about some multi millionaires hiring Israeli military contractors as a private army....but that’s another story!
I’m so pleased I have CHAdeMO on both my cars now 😜👍
Bit annoying if you have the forklift the bottom set of battery packs out, you have to turn all the other packs off and fork lift them out only to re-stack. Thank you for sharing
He talks about being able to disconnect the batteries under load, however these connectors (Powerlock) are not rated for this, especially with DC. I wonder if there is a switch on the battery tray.
Next video on P2X????????
Keep up the good work love it all.
How can I get hold of engie as I would love to trial these commercially in Australia.
Half a million subs in 2019, come on!!
this is why i hoped chademo would win over ccs. css has plans, but those are vague and off into the future.
we could do vehicle to building as a transition stage. aside from chademo cars, the workhorse w-15 can do that now, but from a different outlet. that outlet was actually meant for power tools, but its 7kw. easily enough for an apt or small house for example. until ccs can do it, this could be the way forward or an interim step.
Excellent ideas, but another “green energy” is the use of Molten Salt Reactors using Thorium & Nuke waste that cannot melt down.
The LFTR configuration also produces useful medical and scientific isotopes while producing little transuranic waste, and what is produced is shorter half life. Couple these with wind & solar and it’s realistic to reduce most combustion power plants. Oak Ridge National Labs(US) ran a MSR 30 years ago successfully for a few years as demonstration.
Is the LFTR the design which can take existing nuclear waste as supplemental fuel, or am I thinking of something different?
This is very interesting, thanks for the amazing work! Though, I think the real issue here is to seriously tackle the lack of charging infrastructure to charge cars in the UK - never mind charging the grid from the car. This is too far into the future in my opinion and only an option for those who have parking spaces outside their homes. I think it would be great if the amazing Fully Charged took a real long look at what the reality is for those poor sods like myself who'd love an EV but can't own one because the lack of public charging points in every day use.
At around 10 mins it turns into scrapheap challenge / junkyard wars
Interesting for hospitals, they have hundreds of mainly unused standby batteries which could be recycled like this, possibly for the hospitals themselves.
love this idea... being PAID to park your car and connect up.
Until you need to charge again. At which point your paying for the power that had to be generated initially, in addition to storage fees, in addition to somebody's profit margin, in addition to all the losses associated with charging from one car to another. For an example lets take only the latter, and assume 80% charging efficiency:
80% * 80% * 80% * 80% = Were already down to 40.96% efficiency. Somebody has to pay for that waste and it only increases the cost of power. Remember that we haven't considered the cost of paying you to store power, the company charging for that service, etc, and all of these factors arn't once off, you need to think of them as a kind of compound interest.
Now we have to understand the risk as it applies to the power grid. In Australia there are 19.2 million cars registered for use on the road network. If every body is just plugging and unplugging every time they want to go somewhere, then it's not going to reduce spinning load generation, it's going to increase it exponentially!
Home energy storage is broadly a good idea, but ONLY for storage and personal use. As soon as people try to put energy back into the grid, it just makes for a big expensive mess.
If you are charging your car off your roof solar, you are not paying for anything generated.
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That is correct. My point was that there is a very specific mode of operation that makes sense. Putting energy into battery's (non grid), makes sense. This reduces grid demand, it is in effect spinning reserve. As soon as you feed energy into the grid, you are bouncing energy every which way, with reduced efficiency in every transaction.
With V2G and the like, CHAdeMO still has a place. And may well outlive CCS.
I really like the second-use of the battery bank.
We NEED this in the United States! I want one for my house instead of a generator for black outs! ⚡🔋🔌
Why not both?
@@reggiebuffat why buy a generator and still have to buy gas when your electric car can provide all the electricity you need? It be either that or a Tesla power wall (or both)
Jacob is een held "We Dutch like cheap"
that small container would be great for houses
Great video as usual... Can we have more information on "Chatham bi-directional Protocols" or "Chatham-AH" as you seem to refer to it? I've bought a Hyundai Kona EV just now and am most interested in whether it has a bi-directional energy flow (surprised that the IPace does not).
Grande Bob, this V2G stuff is crazy exciting!
Can't wait to plug and support energy transition and all the awesome consequences on environment and oil dictators losing their grip and our homes and cities turn full electric and so on and on.
Please add your ones, I'm sure I just scratched the surface with my points here.
“Taxis, or Cabs as you say”. Lol
"Pig shaving" is what sent me to the comments. Took a few seconds for me to twig that he was actually saying "peak saving"
@@Destructor111 No it really is shaving. Not pigs though. When peak usage is no longer peak consumption.
Solar panels are more efficient when not hot so hopefully they are using the pond to keep the panels cool...
that second piece with the lead acid batteries was brilliant! would deep cycle or agm batteries be better in the long run, assuming they last longer? or are those the batteries theyre getting? lead acid is already near perfectly recyclable.
This is not a Demo, it is a working DEMOnstration :D :D
Hi. Love your videos, and V2G technology looks amazing! But, could you make video that would explain more what is the high level idea of V2G - in a world where 100% cars are EVs, how do people imagine it will work, how would drivers use it, what grids would benefits from it, etc. I get that technology to plug car to charger is there, but how will it work in the large scale? Thanks!
That was great. thanks. ;^)
The lead acid thing - I'm skeptical. He admits you only get about a year out of that kind of lead acid battery pack. That is quite short. I would think switching out and managing, processing, disposing of these large and heavy packs that are pretty much constantly wearing out, would be more expensive in labor than the savings you get in the low cost of these packs. Especially as the cost of lithium keeps it downward cycle.
Perfect using the electric cars we could charge the others, awesome idea.
V2G seems to me to be a huge opportunity to improve the economics of electric cars.
1:21 Solar ducks! 😃
Really is a quacking solution.......... ok ill get my coat hehe
It's an imaginative idea and a nice opportunity for a paid poop cleaner. ;)
The really clever part about the floating panels is that they could easily be rotated to best align with the sun throughout the day. Self supporting structure, doesn't need lots of mechanical support bearings etc. I don't know if that's what they do or not?
Love the idea of using old lead-acid batteries. Millions of these must be thrown away every year! Probably enough to cope with a very significant proportion of our storage needs.
Vehicle to grid needs to come. It makes so much sense to help renewable energy sources by using millions of EVs as storage.
Robert I wonder if you might be interested in doing a story about an inventor named Leonardo Rossi. He is currently selling an energy device to commercial customers to provide cheap hot water. He has been working on this for some time, but this is the first time he has offered it directly to commercial customers.
The device is called the ECAT SK, and it uses a new unorthodox technology which is based on an investigation of anomalous heat conducted in the 1980s by Martin Fleischmann of the University of Southampton and Stanley Pons of the University of Utah. At that time it was called cold fusion, and it was debunked due to the unfortunate name, which the press came up with. It turns out that the anomalous heat is real, and it is not based on conventional nuclear fusion.
Currently there are several competing theories to explain the anomalous heat, which comply with standard physics. They call it LENR which stands for Low Energy Nuclear Reactions, probably because most of the theories are based on the weak nuclear force.
You can contact the company at info@LeonardoCorp1996.com for more information.
Some of us have short attention spans. It would have been nice to have seen some kind of graphics or chart with colors while he was explaining how it works. But I think in the end I got it. He lost me on deeper cycles, and how that effect battery degradation in a good or bad way.
Octopus EV are now offering a home V2G charger in a bundle with a new Nissan leaf they call it Powerloop. It appears to be a pilot, possibly even a research project? Does anyone have experience of this? I'm interested but wonder if this is a bit too early to adopt in the UK?