How to cut hip rafter points and using a splayed birds mouths
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- Опубліковано 17 чер 2020
- This is the way I cut my hit rafter points, I will show you how they should sit against the end common rafter and the crown rafter, I also talk about the splayed birdsmouth I use in this situation, I really enjoy cutting hip rafters and the technique is really simple to master, this is a taster of my future roofing videos that will accompany my roofing square app
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The way it just fit. Like a glove.
It was really satisfying to see it being placed and seeing it fit so perfectly!
Splendid work sir! I think its sweet as heck.
Hi robin thanks for the shout out! Always a pleasure to watch! Nice to see traditional roofing, and someone do it will skill, keep up the great work. :))
I am by no means a carpenter but I would like to say a big thank you Robin for the videos you post.. I did my first pitched roof for a garden gazebo this weekend.
It was possible because of the knowledge you impart on someone like me who has never attempted anything like this, but I am happy with the results.....
Thanks again and keep posting the great videos
Lovely work, Robin. Love how when you slotted that hip rafter in it didn’t move - probably doesn’t even need mechanical fixings 😂 keep safe mate.
beautiful work Robin, perfection....
Like those barn ends, nice detail. Another excellent video thank you. Ive just bought Dan's roofing square and what an excellent quality tool it is, still looking forward to your square & app - can't have enough quality tools 😜😜👍👍
Regards
Tim
So lovely to watch a craftsman at work.
Great work Robin. Great watching you work. Keep them videos coming 🤙
Its great to watch a trades man at work .... very nicely done , you will inspre a lot of people with your skill mate just what our country needs ..
Thanks 👍
Two Robin Clevett videos in one evening!!! Heaven ❤️
Love the back handle design of the Milwaukee saw, makes them so much easier to control. Wish all the power tool makers would do them I have already invested in the Bosch range, hopefully they will bring one out.
4:44 PERFECT. Lovely work there Robin.
ahhh feels so good watching that after seeing the work of the framing crew I was working with lol
Thanks Robin
Nothing like this information for some of us that is going in cold, no experience and having to figure it all out. Thank God for trig.
I just completed a floor to ceiling bay window addition. When you can’t incorporate a cookie cutter designed & engineered drawing and have to retrofit it, it gets very complicated.
The customer (aka wife)was satisfied lol ( whew)
Your upcoming video is the closest vid I found to figuring out the splayed bird mouth cuts. Can’t wait.. subbed for sure. 👍 keep up the excellent work..
Great call out what a nice thing to do👍
Beautiful job as always
Thank you Robin! I’ve learned so much from your excellent work.
2.56 when you forget you're using a blade left saw muscle memory caught you out for a split second 😁 awesome job as always 👌🏻
Good video...thumbs up on the safety scaffolding.
Thanks 👍
Lovely work. I miss working on roofs. Nice video👍🏻
did a bit of this myself, but never quite as accurate as this!
I've looked at an awful lot a of roofs over the decades, your cuts and miles better than I've seen for ages, proper specialist stuff. I would say you should keep up the good work, but you're going do that whatever I say! 👍
Thanks Chris, I really think that the craft should be carried out well, the problem is the training is almost gone for traditional roof construction and the sites just give terrible prices forcing the guys to rush and not really earn the right money or enjoy what they are doing, thanks for the comment mate
Thanks Chris, I really think that the craft should be carried out well, the problem is the training is almost gone for traditional roof construction and the sites just give terrible prices forcing the guys to rush and not really earn the right money or enjoy what they are doing, thanks for the comment mate
@@ukconstruction Cheers for the reply Robin, completely agree and it's tragic that few can bespoke build anymore, it's just pre-made "good enough" from a factory. Great if the building is perfectly square, but when did that last happen...has it ever happened? Looking from the green angle, it makes sense to me (may be only me), but having skill on-site compared to a huge factory must be better for the planet, if someone wanted to look at it from that perspective. If people are good at what they do, they shouldn't have to rush it unless they're a racing driving and then that's fair enough! I'm sure work will keep coming in for you with your skills 👍
a man of so much wisdom
Great video love the daisy duke's 😃.
Thanks! 😀
What a skilled man im carpenter also your on another level i love all the roof work myself would love to help out on a project
Whats your level? In gernany you learn 3 years for a carpenter. This you must know and handle. If not you are a fool .
Nice job so interesting.
Great work 👍
Thanks ✌️
Grate to see Your Work
Awesome Robin :-)
I love how you went to move the lead out the way (2:56) on the big trim saw, before you cut it, its a force of habit i have too...the young uns wont understand
Love me some Clevett 👏🏻👏🏻👍👍
Hi robin, could you do a video on working out barn hip plate and working out the position of hips. I'm a carpenter and do a fair amount of roofing but on the only 2 occasions I had to do these I was relying on trial and error as I don't know the method. This was particularly difficult also because I had to build the gable up first to house a steel frame to take a structural ridge and provide sizes and angles for it before we started blah blah blah it all worked up but It bugs me that I don't know an actual process for this. Thanks
Clean work 🤙
Thank you very much!
looks good , how do you mark your jack rafters and valley rafters from wall plate to hip ?, How do you keep them parallel even better , could you cut all your jacks and cripple rafters on the floor , I know it gets talked about , but Ive never seen it done. Legend has it , that a pair off carpenters could cut a hipped roof on a pair of 1930s semis in a day , what do you think ???
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You've got to use red batten far superior than blue. Also on your roofing projects you should have a look at crest roofing tiles. Theyre acrylic coated and theyre fantastic. So much better than marley.
Hi Robin, i realise it doesn't apply in this case but for a regular standard hip gabled roof (same pitch on all sides) do you as a matter of course "drop the hip" so the jacks meet the hip at the right place, not flush to the sharp edge of the hip but rather to plain to the ctr of the hip.
Also do you do the same thing with the hips on an irregular gabled hip roof which has different pitches?
Cant wait for your roofing square
Nice job,we tend to call those barn ends clipped hips but I should imagine there's various names people use. They look nice but can slow the job down, especially on a trussed roof.
Slow the job down? Wouldn't you just allow more time and price more for it??
Hey Robin awesome video, great location, love the barn hips have a great week all the best Tony 👍
Lovely and neat
Spot on
Hey Robin, any chance of a video on setting the angles for the splayed birdsmouth please?
Or let me know what it would be for a 35 degree pitch!
Watching with captions on: “I’m robbing clairebear...” 🤣🤷🏼♂️
Seriously though, i’ve learnt alot of good time saving tips i know i’ll use watching all of your vids. Thankyou.
True genius, I wish I had met you to explain the tedious way maths and angles were taught without the point of learning their application!
Lovely job m8, where are you hiding the sawdust?
I find these really thin kerf blades for cordless tend to bend and go off course when cutting heavier timbers.
Robin makes it look easy doesn't he?..................Try it 😃
Love your and rogers videos whats your app called
Something I’ve noticed in the UK, Australia and New Zealand is their scaffolding is proper. Out here in America it’s like, oh yeah let’s just rock climb up there and balance on a 2by4, seems chill.
We are really hot on scaffolding here in the UK and we have some of the best teams of guys anywhere in the world doing our scaffolds, the standard here are great, I often wonder when I watch footage from America why no one is using a proper scaffold!!!
I wonder how many people die
jlewis1688 I don’t know the exact numbers but I’ve personally seen too many injuries from people climbing too fast on insufficient scaffolding out here in the US. It actually slows the process too because you have to move slower and constantly move around a portable rig than if you had a sufficient scaffolding pre built. I’ve heard the argument for the opposite. But taking a day off while the scaffolding crew comes in and sets you up would absolutely speed up productivity.
Robin Clevett It’s the Wild West out here, Robin😂 a bunch of cowboys that still like their corded equipment;) no but seriously, it’s just due to lower state requirements. With our strange healthcare, you’d think the opposite. We could use some help out here. We’re workin on it 😂
I tried this today and absolutely cracked it.. :)
Well done Nick
@@ukconstruction restoration work, was nightmare working out the angles the hip is all over the place and not square to the wall so had to cut them in place for the last few 180 years old building
Robin when will your app be out ,, I would love to understand the concept of working out a roof ( pitch, hips splade birds mouth etc.) I watch you vids and love the way all your cut timbers fit like a jig saw .....
Planning for the later part of this year mate
Top guy!
when are you doing the detailed rafter detail?
Do I need a concrete slab for a Tuff Shed storage building?
Watched a video on skill builder yesterday and it was some fella doing roof rafters and it just wasn’t the same as you explaining it 🤦♂️. Great work 👍
100% agree
Bit harsh, they are both very good guys
cglees I never said anything harsh I just said it wasn’t the same meaning I’m used to robin explaining it 🤦♂️
Nice
This is better than watching adult material!!! 😜
top stuff
Hi robin
Just a matter of interest what is the size of the hip rafter compared to the common rafter and ridge is there a rule of thumb for the size of ridge and hip rafter being bigger than the common rafter. Great work as always.
Always go at least one size up for the ridge, hips and valley. Say if the rafters are 6" by 2" go 7" by 2" for the ridge, hips and valleys, 👍🔨🇮🇪
Hi robin, brilliant video as usual. Quick question, can you download the roof app without buying the square as I already have a square which I’m making a fence for. Cheers.
Unfortunately not, my plan is to give it with the square that I am making as it works hand in hand, I may do a light version that may be available but I am unsure at the moment
Robin Clevett oh.
Hello Where did you get those tresles? Such a good idea
Found them- faithful faitrestlewo
hi robin i have a question for you how would you mark out for your hip rafter if you had used a saddle bard would you subtract the thickness of the saddle board on just one side i am currently about to start this at college and i was wondering it had me puzzled we are using 9mm ply as a saddle board due to only been a small 1200mm span just wondering if you could shed any light on to this . thank you p.s keep the great content coming i am learning so much
Hi Mate, great question.. Firstly saddle boards are not that common in my part of the world!! if I was using a saddle board I would reduce the crown rafter by the thickness and one side of my splay cut for the hips too, or I may even set my first pair of common rafters to allow for the thickness of the saddle board, but the downside is that you would have a slightly wider spacing between the first pair of jack rafters and the end common rafters!! hope that helps mate
@@ukconstruction thanks robin like iIsaid it is just my project now at college wasn't sure if there was a easy way to mark it out on your crown and hips and I have looked online but you been the master of the roofs here in the uk I thought I would ask
cheers keep he great content coming and i look forward to your up coming videos
cheers
paul
what was that piece wood attached to your square ? I can't find them anywhere and I don't know the name of it.
Its a hardwood fence made from sapelle oo Iroko that I make myself
Hi Robin could you do an advice and common things you should learn that aren’t taught for apprentices? I’m an apprentice myself on Furlough and there’s not much I can learn while I’m not busy. Thanks
Hi Austyn, thank you for commenting and also choosing a career in carpentry we really need new entrants as a lot of us are getting old!!!!! I am planning to do some specific tips for apprentices and I will try to remember to maybe add some tips into any video for all you up and coming carpenters out there, hope you get back to work soon mate
All the best
Robin
The angle of the lip cut, is it 48 degrees
Some good tips there. Here’s one for you, don’t hold on to the rungs when climbing a ladder, you have to keep letting go and your hand could miss a rung or slip off due to mud from someone’s boots. Run your free hand up the side of the ladder thus keeping constant contact.
I learned this the hard way.
Somebody had walked cat poo up the treads.
Did you get round to producing the app and roofing aquare in the end? Cheers
My square is finished, we are now finalising release 1 of the app there are some images of the square on my Instagram Account @robinclevett
@@ukconstruction 👍
Hey Robin, not sure if you’ll even see this comment from such an old video. But I’ve been watching your videos since before this video came out and I’m going through and re watching some of these older ones. Love your approach to carpentry, always looking to do a proper job. Anyway, my comment is because I have always loved your simple sawhorse legs as shown in this video. I haven’t been able to find them online or any of the lumber yards around me in the states. But I’ve got a metal fabricator that I use on some of my projects and I was thinking of him making me a set. So my question is are they aluminum or what metal are they made from? Thank you so much, cheers!
Brandon
Brandon
Hi Brandon
Thanks for your comment/ Message, The legs are simple galvanised steel about 1 inch pipe that is bent to form the top and then flattened to create the bolt positions, then there is a flat section welded to set the bottom and top of the leg frames, they fit CLS perfectly 1 and 3/8 thick material
Hope that helps!!!
Best
Robin
Thank you so much!
Hi Robin Did you work on the timber work at the front of the building?
Hi Jeff, the oak frame was made by someone else, (they beat me to it!!!) but it has to be said that it was beautifully made, really accurate and true and the whole building was lovely and parallel, a real pleasure to work on!!!
Yes it looks great,Thanks Robin Take Care.
Get over to Skill Builder sharpish Robin. Roger has got an imposter in town trying to peddle another type of roofing square. WTAF. Lol. Keep up the great work mate, I'm saving my pennies for yours.
I know!!! Thanks for your support Steve, have a great weekend
Robin Clevett watching your great work from Saudi Arabia. Absolutely love your enthusiasm for the job
Please can u tell me how to build a step ladder
One thing I can’t get my head around with roofing is if you have a fixed ridge height how do you calculate birdsmouth depth so at the top of the ridge the rafter finishes level
Bike Curious If you are adding rafters , you would copy the depth from existing. If it’s new work, the birds mouth is a third of the rafters and the measurement taken from that point . If the birds mouth is say 50mm deep, the measurement is taken at 50mm all along the rafter. People measure from birdsmouth to the top or the reader or ridge and it comes out too long. The ridge height is decided by the width of the building and the pitch of the roof and is very simple to do. Cutting is easy if you measure along a parallel line from the birds mouth whatever that depth is 50mm top and bottom. It is simple once this is done. Set a marking gauge and it will work, once you see it it will ‘literally’ fall Into place .
The length is calculated so draw an arc from the ridge to the birdsmouth that is usually 1/3 the depth of the timber,
the plumb cut is parallel with the ridge and the seat is at 90 degrees to it. The bottom of the rafter is out of the triangle if you like, from the birdsmouth < vertically to the top of the rafter, what we would call the upstand.
@@140rwareBike Curious, it's called your pitch line and your rafter length is from ridge plumb cut 2 birds mouth plumb cut then down 2/3rds of the rafter to your birds mouth seat cut
Who the fuck dislikes!?!? Appreciate the time and effort that goes Into explaining this for many that benefit! Thanks Robin! Please can I come work with you for a week on a roof???? 🙏
Thanks Chris, I cant please everyone and there are probably better guys out there than me but I do this for guys like you who understand what it takes to this, I would happily have you on a roof one day lets keep in touch mate
@@ukconstruction wicked! Yes, I'd love to come work for free and learn for a week, I'm Warwickshire based, where do you tend to work?
Hi Robin, hope your keeping well. I'm looking to get a skill saw for making my rafter cuts quicker and for other jobs. What size would you recommend? A 185mm?
Cheers
Nice looking roof Robin. I've been a bit undecided about the "left hand" Milwaukee saw, I know all the US worm drives are the same, but seeing you cut that hip top cut with the saw laid over to the left looked so easy.
Something I would value your opinin on Robin, whenever I see a video of a cut roof , guys always seem to put the crown up. Now I was taught to put the crown down on the basis that a roof looks bad with any sort of hump and in fact looks way better with a slight uniform dip. I have also read this in an old roofing book.
Back when we were pitching big roofs with 4x2 rafters (long time ago) we would set the purlins 1/2 inch low and then nail the rafters down to them, by hand, with 4 inch "clods".
What's your take on it ?
Hi Nick, that saw is perfect for those cuts on the hips the balance is great and the visibility of the blade is awesome, I use a left hand and a right hand saw to cut a roof simply because it helps to see the lines, the saw itself is a really nice saw, it tokk a couple of hours for me to get used to as this is the first rear handle I have used but I like it a lot!!!
On the subject of the crown, I will deliver a flat straight roof slope and to eliminate the any issues with bent timbers I start with a really good treated sawn timber such as Sodra and it comes to me regularised and a specific grade, I also check the engineers calculations and cross check that with the building control requirements and more often or not I increase the depth of the rafters to accommodate insulations and air spaces etc, I will run any crowns up and flatten the whole final slope by means of a purlin or other structural member such as a tie or collar, when I started in the late 80s we hand nailed everything with 4 inch wire nails!!!
Thank you for your comment
This roof business is blowing my mind, but not in a good lol
Hi what is the splayed cut angle on the birds mouth of the hip ? I'm guessing 45 degrees ? Thanks in advance for the answer lol
Top of the class Talab, spot on, it changes if you have two different pitches meeting on the hip
@@ukconstruction hi robin thanks for the reply I'm gona screen shot and send it to my colleague teacher lol ,when I did at college the one thing that caught me out was when I was measured for the length one side side becomes shorter then the other because of the splay cut eg if u measured from plumb cut or shoulder point to back of birds mouth one side would be longer then the other cuz of splay cut were normal hip same both sides always cought me out I'd measure one side and mark the other lol ,glad u didn't make that mistake on camera at least thanks again
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Where???
@@ukconstruction pitching the roof
If anybody thinks they learned something from that, they either already know how to do it or they are lying.
The critical point of measurement from the birds mouth was alluded to but not explained. I know you said you will explain but that is the second rafter video where I have watched you cut without explanation of the birds mouth depth and then the subsequent measurements. I say this because you are a natural teacher but I wonder how it comes across. You could make a dog kennel and it be the same principle. Without the birds mouth depth, the whole thing becomes just watching you cut. I don’t mean to be miserable, more as honest feedback
for me he goes at a speed which means i have to concentrate and think hard to follow along. a very effective way of teaching for me
Nails optional!!
It will be a shame to cover the framing!
Nice