Who are The Players & Pieces in The Game of Thrones
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- Опубліковано 14 сер 2021
- In the Game of Thrones / A Song of Ice and Fire world,
there are two sorts of characters. The players and the pieces…
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Discussing Littlefingers classification from Brynden Rivers to Cersei Lannister
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At some point Joffrey was a huge player in game of thrones, and ironicly he became one not thanks to his inteligence but thanks to his stupidity. He never followed advices of other character and couldn't be manipulated as a result
Joffrey got carried by Tywin.
@@gfilmer7150 Tywin won the war of the five kings but he wasn't at any point succesfully manipulating Joffrey. Key events like Ned Stark's execution or murdering of Robert's basterds were coused directly because of Joffrey. He wasn't a good player, but he sure as hell wasn't a piece.
@@mtszkrk Didn’t Tywin save Joffrey at The Blackwater by bringing in reinforcements.
@@gfilmer7150 Tywin saved everyone in Kings Landing at the battle of Blackwater. Does that mean that Tyrion, Varys and Littlefinger weren't players?
@@mtszkrk Oh they were definitely players, just saying that Tywin was the only winning decisive victories, one of which saved Joffrey and Varys and Littlefinger.
“All of them died except Stannis.”
Your godamn right!!
If he dies it will be for the saving of westeros and no less than that.
It's death that fears finding Stannis at the end of its road
The throne is his by right all who deny are his foes
Because Stannis is smart, he went to the place where there'd be heavy anti-Lannister sentiment and made an alliance with what fighting men that region had.
STANNIS THE MANNIS!
Robb played himself!
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He was corned once his followers forced him to declare himself as King.
@@gfilmer7150 He was doing fairly well early on, an enemy lord admits outright he's winning at one point. It was the later events like Jaime's release, Edmure stopping Tywin on the rivers and his bad marriage choice which really doomed him.
@@stephenc.4319 True but look at it from another angle, Robb doesn’t become King In The North and is able to make an alliance with Stannis. Robb would then be able to keep Tywin occupied enough for Stannis to take King’s Landing.
pretty much yeah
'His mouth appeared to smile but his eyes did not.' - Sansa on Littlefinger
How dare Wyman manderly's name not even be mentioned. He's the best player in the north hands down because unlike Ramsey who puts personal emotion over his practicality, Wyman suffered one sons death and another's imprisonment yet was still able to fool the south into thinking he was a lannister loyalist to the extent that his imprisoned son was returned to him when in reality he doesn't support stannis either. He's like Olenna or Littlefinger in that he allows himself to be underestimated for his weight, just as Olenna with her age and Littlefinger with his low birth. He's better than all of the grey areas you mentioned and some of the players like Ramsey or even Doran who plotted from a safe position in dorne as opposed to Wyman who'd been in a dire situation with his son and royal family dead and his other imprisoned yet he was able to come out of that war with all his power and resources resources influence intact. So yeah I think a reconsideration is in order.
His speech is one of the greatest moments in the books for me
I don't think Ramsay is all that smart. He has a "certain low cunning", and he certainly has incredible instincts towards torture and pain. But with any level of actual intellect, he would realize that his actions are slowly fostering the style of rebellion against which his rule, and certainly his personal safety, cannot be guaranteed. Ramsay is not prepared to be a major player in the game of thrones. I've always looked at him as a mirror of Robb - they both share a certain cunning towards their chosen sport, and are both undermined by a lack of a grasp of Westerosi politics; Robb by marrying Jeyne Westerling without understanding the impacts on his reputation with the Freys and broader world, and Ramsay by continuing his revelries within cruelty that continue to offput the Manderleys and their allies.
I think Ramsay is very similar to Cersei: both have a natural talent in manipulating people by their desires and exploiting their fears, but their intelligence ends up undermined by their recklesness.
He did clear winterfell and mout cailin easily for Roose Bolton
@@kirbeybalan6019 And then he ate his breeding stock and was sent on a suicide mission to battle Stannis.
@@kirbeybalan6019 taking them isn't keeping them.
On your point about Robb and as far as I know, he did know the consequenses but he did it anyway because of his inherited sense of honour. He had sex with Jeyne Westerling which got her pregnant and althought there is certainly some romantical relationship he could bare to leave her with a bastard and the loss of honour that would bring so he chose to do the "honourable" thing. There are also rumours that Jeyne used a love potion, perhaps on behest of her familys relationship to Tywin but idk, kinda tinfoly anyway. Point is, I believe Robb knew what he was doing but his honour meant more to him than the consequenses, just like his father
Raven is playing chess everyone else is playing checkers
Raven is playing 1rst edition D&D while everyone else is struggling with the rules to tic tac toe
raven is done playing games
One MAJOR player you forgot is Ser Pounce. With his Valyrian Steel claws and dragonglass teeth he is destined to be Azor Ahai. I bet he has his own POV chapters in the next book.
Hahaha 🤣 he will be Tomans lord commander of the kings guard .
@@lordj3793 Briefly
The first of his name, the chaser of shadows, the player of games, the catcher of balls, the Cat of King's landing and the pet of Tommen, the first of his name.
could you imagine ser pounce as like an epilogue pov where it’s just his visual intercut with “meows”
Pycelle- the player who acts like a piece
King Stannis isn't a pawn. He's used Melisandre as much as she has 'used' him. He recognizes that because his army is the smallest, Rhollor worship makes him bot feared and admired, striking that fear into the heart of the enemy. Without Melisandre's shadow magic, the traitor Renly would've killed him with a superior force at storm's end. And he wasn't completely sure that the shadow would kill Renly; although he has a large suspicioun that it was him, he is conflicted about it, as he tells Davos. He decided to not take Melisandre to the battle of blackwater, because he didn't want his lords attributing the victory to her, andhe was only defeated because Baelish brokered the alliance between Lannister and Tyrell; aside from that, after using the leeches of Joffrey Waters, Balon Greyjoy, and Robb Stark, (the latter which he was conflicted on doing) Melisandre urged to sacrifice Edric the moment Balon died. But he refused. Then Robb Stark died, to which he still refused, and only when Joffrey died did the King resolve to use Edric to 'awaken stone dragons'. Then, when Davos smuggles Edric away, and Davos gives him the letter from the night's watch, he decides to go because it is his duty as King to defend the realm, thus leaving the entire southern theatre and basically ending his bid for the Iron Throne by decidng to protect the realm from the walkers instead. Only after he decided did Melisandre agree and tell him that he must defeat the walkers in the north- thus HE made the choice to abandon the 'waking stone dragons' plot. It's also noteworthy to say that King Stannis burned Allester Florent not for 'good winds' as the Queen's men seem to imply, but because he had committed treason by trying to marry Shireen to Tommen in exchange for peace with the Lannisters. He then decides to burn Mance Raider as he is a traitor, which goes beyond anything Melisandre wanted, and she actually deceives the King to keep Mance alive. My point is that multiple times King Stannis shows he has agency, as has used the red God as a means to an end. Stannis means to take the north to fortify the position of the North against the walkers, with him leading the armies as King.
King Robert wasn't necessarily stupid. He chose not to rule and live a life of hedonism.
"Robert is practiced at closing his eyes to things he would rather not see."
- (Petyr Baelish on Robert Baratheon) A Game of Thrones, Chapter 20, Eddard IV.
Choosing to be stupid is basically the same as just being stupid.
@@lethargictroll6788 Tyrion does the same thing when he decides to drink himself to death when crossing the narrow sea. Sometimes you just lose the will to fight.
@@sayyidf.b.6378 King Robert was never once shown to have any level of intelligence. He was a brute before he was king and after.
@@lethargictroll6788 he was smart enough to win iron throne and even more imperesive he know how to win peoples heart
problem was he never want to rule seven kingdom he just want woman he loved back and after losing her enternaly he choose to live a life of hedonism to drown his sarrow in pleasure of flesh, alcohol, hunting and fight
one of the thing he said to ned was "lets take our weapons and go to a jurney as a simple sellsword to fight or fuck who ever we met"
@@birgaripadam7112 smart enough to win?
He was a warrior and a brute. He was a good fighter.
If you find one word, just one, in the book where it is confirmed Robert was smart, I would be shocked.
His personality won his enemies over, not his wits or words. He was quick to forgive those he beat in battle because he loved fighting and was in a great mood after a brawl.
I don't understand why you're so insistent on this, Robert was not smart, he was strong.
This reminds me of the political instability in the Italian peninsula throughout the 15th century. Numerous factions vying for power whether it's through the cloth (the papacy) or with sword & shield. For instance the Lannister and Starks remind me of the Borgia's & Medici's.
The High Sparrow = Girolamo Savonarola and the Bonfire of the Vanities.
Doran wasn't at all good with his secret plots. He's so secretive that the people he wants to work with don't trust him and so slow that what he does doesn't work out because half the people involved die to unrelated things in the decades it takes him to get around to anything. After these decades it isn't even clear what he is trying to accomplish. Vengeance for Elia on people who are all dead? The whole Dorne subplot is a tragedy of an incoherent desire for vengeance leading to more harm. These guys only play themselves.
Don't forget the very first line in a POV chapter basically about Doran is about overripe fruit going to waste. The oddest thing about Doran though is his Norvosi wife, we know so little about her but it is obvious she has done something to him to make him like this, she directly interfered with his plans.
The funny thing is that a lot of asoiaf scholars act like doran is some sort of master in this game,when in reality he's too slow and too weak,and his patience continues to bring about his house's downfall
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Brynden Rivers aka Lord Bloodraven, The White Worm, The Last Greenseer, The Three-Eyed-Crow, and Lord Rivers: *The King*
Brandon Stark aka Bran and The Winged Wolf: *The Queen*
Jojen Reed aka The Little Grandfather and The Frogboy: *The Bishop*
Meera Reed: *The Knight*
Walder aka Hodor: *The Rook*
Coldhands: *The Pawn*
Nah brynden is the queen. Queen is the most powerful
@@niranjanrajesh1058bruh have you never played chess? The queen may be more powerful but is significantly less important, the king is the primary piece every piece is a pawn to a king
I would say Wyman Manderly and the Green Grace are also players
Maybe. We'll see in the next book because so far they're just defending their home
Hopefully, because he’s acting like a Bolton Loyalist but is also working with Davos to help Stannis. However, it’s kind of obvious that he’s just trying to put a Stark in Winterfell via helping Stannis or just using Stannis to weaken Roose Bolton so that way Rickon or Jon could steamroll over what’s left of The Boltons.
Wyman just loves a tasty meat pie.
@@sleekoduck Roose:It's a meat pie,ryt!!
Roose:It's a meat pie ryt??
Haha .
Seriously tho.
I loved that whole sequence 🤣
The thing with Ramsey is interesting if you consider that he killed Little Walder (the Frey ward in Winterfell) to undermine his fahther as pointed out by Preston Jacobs in the video "a Frey in the snow". Its a very interesting topic so i can only recommend watching!
Wait he did? I missed that part. Could you remind me of it?
preston is a weenie feminist, and hes probably wrong about half of this, but he knows his stuff... very interesting theory there.
It made a lot of sense to me
@@MyUserTubeAccount Not exactly a feminist but i get your point... But yeah he is sometimes right and in this case i could bet my money that he is
@@calebwinfield1403 Its not clear in the books but if you watch the recommended video you might be convinced
I love the comparison between players like Petyr Baelish and Varys with Larys Strong Clubfoot from fire and blood.
Love your videos been watching for years now can’t wait for this
But Stannis isn't actually a religious fanatic in the books, he merely uses Mel's magic for his own gain. That's why he continually leaves her behind to go off to conquer new lands. Though then you could argue she wants him off warring so she can manipulate those left behind. Regardless, unlike the show, Stannis isn't much of a believer in the Lord of Light. But I agree that none of the "Kings" are really meant to be players, but more so in that middle field you talk about. Just wish we'd get some POV chapters about what goes on in the heads of characters like Robb and Stannis
Rob did not play himself. He played the game with the wrong people. And discarded the people he needed. Catelyn and the boltans were supposed to be discarded and the karstarks should have been kept. He played the wrong hand.
You haven't been talking too long , i wouldn't have minded if this video kept going for a while .great theme to ponder .there's so many avenues
Brillant as ever, Mister WhyCreate
“Pretty much all of house Reed” lol
A bit out there but would you Say Gandalf from lord of the rings was also kind of a player as well, with the free peoples as his pieces in order to stop Sauron.
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What a great and enjoable video! Awesome!
I think you can do a part 2 to this video. Some characters completely change. Atleast in the show like sansa, Cersei, talk more book Euron because the show did him dirty. I really enjoyed this video
This is the best video you've ever made
Interesting topic 👍
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@@kdub2627 I am.
Stannis is not a piece. He and Mel are equal
Can you make a video about the ancient kings of every kingdom? Like King Theon Stark of the North or King Tristifer Mudd of the riverlands?. From the greatest to the absolute worst monarchs of every kingdom before Aegon the Conqueror.
That would be cool
The iron throne belongs to stannis by right!
As the eldest of Robert's two surviving younger brothers and as the eldest living of King Aegon V Targaryen's great grandchildren, The Iron Throne is his by right.
@fabRic_jAck The Throne is his by right, nothing can change that.
@fabRic_jAck Our King is *THE* King. He’s the eldest of Robert’s younger brothers and the eldest male heir descended from Aegon V.
i will be watching it at very late night in india.
Yeah...!
1:30AM
I’ll be watching it in the evening
@@jamaphy8621 where are you from!
Same in Sri Lanka!!!
Cant wait
To everyone thinking I'm doing something improper with Bran in the tree: Do I look like a Catholic priest to you? Didn't think so.
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Whyyyy. That's when I start work bro. I get out at 11pm but have work tomorrow at 8am
I love your GoT vids.
14:47 favorite depiction of Ramsay's Flayed Armor
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Voice audio books.
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Hodor plays really well he's a legend
Plz do an early Targaryen video on aenar and gaemon
Awesome
The Starks would have been great parents to commoners but their lack of preparing their children in politics is pretty much criminal negligence.
They arranged better marriages for their bastards and if you don't understand what I meant, you need to reread the first book, start with Eddard's chapters, then Daenerys Stormborn's. Don't look away, because he'll know if you do. 😉🐺
In their defence, Sansa's like 12 when the series starts. The only one they really messed up on was Robb, but they had no reason to think Ned wouldn't rule for decades longer.
@@cjmatzen3941 that’s a good point, as well as following northern practices without necessarily needing to teach them lessons they shouldn’t have to know at their age
@@cjmatzen3941 sansa was close to being of an age and probably had already received some propositions. Ned acted willingly blind, he decided to ignore all the politics he knew would have affected the future of his children just to heal his own grief of going south. All of his children except Rickon where of an age in which foster at another great house would have been a favored option, he himself went to the vale at the age of eight years old and that fostering was the reason behind the success of the rebellion and strongest alliance the stark had. His neglectfulness is even worst considering Catlyn was aware and pushing for her children to learn what they needed to, especially with Arya that yes was just a 9 years old and it's all nice and cool that she was able to express herself and her hobby's but Cat concerns about her are more than justifiable, and finally considering Robbert's friendship it was inevitable and completely predictable for them to have to go south or being betrothed in the royal family in some kind of way sooner rather than later.
A good ASOIAF video is scaled based on how angry I get at D&D for neglecting the narrative opportunities. Great work!
i miss robb
He great, one hell of an aggressive general, but becoming King was his greatest mistake.
Robb was stupid
@@jasonwolfe3639 Nah he was just young and inexperienced, your the real stupid one for saying that about a man who never lost a battle to Tywin Lannister.
Is that first shot of kings landing from the pilot or what?
Leyton Hightower and the Mad Maid, those are definitely players. The cult of the Many Faced god as well, and the Iron Bank, probably both in league with the Citadel. Aeron and Victarion believe they are players, but are totally under Euron's grip.
I think the Iron Bank is more of a piece since Little finger borrowed an exorbitant amount of money so that the crown wouldn’t pay it back and they would fund Stannis and cause more chaos
unpopular opinion - Tyrion is a piece
He was more of a player back when he could use his family name and title as hand of the king
Now he has neither (at least, in the books)
@@lethargictroll6788 he will manipulate dany tho. He is a situational player and piece. With Faegon and Dany he might broker alliances, manipulations and get his revenge.
He’s a villain also
@@lethargictroll6788 he is as of a player as Cersei. He was a pretty bad hand of the king, even worse of a politician
Politics is the dark fantasy version of politics
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Is whycreate irish? He pronounces desire as desoyer. Not entirely sure what part of ireland
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does anyone know that brendan rivers is still alive? besides bran etc
Id say aeron the damphair is kind of a player with how he called the kingsmoot
Bloodraven is So Fucking Badass
Ramsey was very efficient and strategic!
king robert wasnt an idiot, he was just a bad king and ruler, great military tactician
Thé content is always on top of this thing brother ⚡️⚡️ Personally I think Ramsay had great potential to be on Tyrion’s level with more years to his counter. He is just as ruthless and genius than Tywin. I’d put him right underneath Tywin, Baelish, Varys and Tyrion in terms of player 🤙🏾
Come on, you're giving Ramsay far too much credit. He is a brute with a certain low cunning, almost an animalistic cunning. But he's not a genius, he isn't intelligent. Every action he takes will incite rebellion sooner or later.
@@DominionSorcerer i have to agree...
@@DominionSorcerer sheesh I did not think of that 🤔🤔 He is not someone that inspire respect to his men unlike Tywin or Tyrion and he is far too cruel to cement longstanding relationship like a Varys or Littlefinger… You got a great point right there man !
@@JoshuaHenelyThornhill I will admit, though, that you'd have more of a point if we were talking about Ramsay from the show. But that is more due to D & D's ineptitude, lol. Book Ramsay has already been sentenced to death for the crimes he has committed - crimes that will no doubt shortly come back to haunt him and do nothing but unravel his father's and thereby by extension his own hold over the North. His behaviour and reputation isn't winning him any favours to the point of where his closest confidants are all his father's men despite Ramsay's belief to the contrary.
@@DominionSorcerer true true true I based it too much on show Ramsay whereas book Ramsay really sucks ass on his political game. Therefore can’t be goated like Petyr or Tywin 👀
Robert was never an idiot he was a Warrior King. He focused on battle not the upkeep of a Kingdom. Would you consider Richard The Lionheart an idiot? No, but they are basically the same person
Exactly. Robb wasn't even playing the game of thrones, he was there to avenge his father and take his sisters home. That's it. He was called king in the north by his bannermen.
I see this getting more views in the Future.
U should create a discord server for discussions on these topics
Lol so ramsay is a player but cercei isnt? they are both equally self destructive it's just that consequenses haven't reached ramsay yet. also robert wasn't really an idiot he just didn't give a fuck
8:35 😂😂😂
Cersi, had the greatest statement in the game of thrones!!! Next comes Vareys then comes Little Finger!! But Little Finger is the greatest player in the game so far!!!
But Vareys has the greatest connections that spanned continents!!!
In the books Tywin who was a master player is dead!!!
Sadly Ned was a Pawn who never was never a player at all.
Little Finger has set much of the downfall in Kings Landing on3 motion not knowing so many people had diabolical plans of their own in motion as well. On this end the Spider had weaved a major web to catch them all in.
The 🕷's web is long and wide!!!
But of course Blood Raven is Truly the King of it all because he knows so much more than anyone besides the Children of the forest!!!
Bro chill with the exclamation marks
theon greyjoy was a player until he became reek
Game of Thrones: The Wire addition
May i ask where the hell is the biggest player - Tywin Lannister?
6 ft deep 😂
Tywin was more a opportunist than a schemer
Ramsay is not a player because he is too impulsive and sporadic. He acts entirely on instinct which makes him easier to predict given that he will always choose the malicious and sadistic way. I think we're going to see in the Winds of Winter how an intelligent character like Roose Bolton uses a mad dog like Ramsay to his own advantage and how this will ultimately spell doom for Ramsay
Arya is a pawn but spicy
We all know marwyn is gonna be a super big person in the last 2 books kause he ties in the history of it all
If the cake were not total pricks robb would have destroyed the lannisters and won independence or taken the iron throne
Also can we talk about how the wight walkers timing was perfect
Melisandre is pretty dumb in her chapter she keeps praying for a sign of azor ahai and she sees jon snow everytime but she still think its stannis....
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This needs to be a tierlist. Varys is way more playery than Tyrion.
Eddard still wouldn't have been a player, but if Catelyn wasn't a complete idiot in informing Littlefinger and capturing Tyrion, he would have had the weight of queen or knight instead of a mere pawn. Too bad she was the greatest assest the Lannisters could ever hope for without her even knowing. It would have been a very, very different game to look at.
NOT STANNIS IN THE BOOKS
There she is his
...pawn
Pretty harsh on cersei in this vid, I never really though of her as incompetent. And also I'm not so confident that Brendan Rivers' intentions are all good. He plays dirty sometimes
Robb stark was playing war hero not the game of thrones
If Randy is a good player hes tearing a level dangerous says brightly it may have a witch but should Ramsay get the bear of him the flayers were ruled the North unless they can actually overcome it
I'm so confused
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Hot Pie
Players: writers
Peices: writers
Afterall the writers played themselves with this show
Brynden Rivers/ 3-Eyed Raven is arguably an early version of Jon, & amalgamating Varys & Jaime; a royal bastard, with First Men & Valyrian blood - & became Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch - the spymaster - the kinslayer - Martin says that history repeats...
Its look more good than the series,why they don't make it 100% acurate
So your thumbnail is a bunch of pieces.
YES!
This political instability reminds me of the revolution 1848/49 in Germany (Deutscher Bund )
You mean all of Europe and this was another cluster ***k
Caused by the French
Caused by the French
Players- Stannis Baratheon, Tywin Lannister, Olenna Tyrell, Doran Martell
Pieces- Everyone Else
Puppet Masters- Petyr Baelish, Varys the Spider, Euron Greyjoy
"The climax of the story." I think you are being naive. GRRM is sitting on tens of $ millions; he is regularly asked to speak at important events and has received all kinds of honors. I purchased the last novel in the series over a decade ago. If GRRM did not find the motivation to finish the next book in the series last year, under semi-mandatory home confinement because of a worldwide pandemic........well. Game of Thrones, ASOIAF, is the greatest book series, the greatest story, great except never to be finished. But we can all dream of "A Dream of Spring". Good video.
And why can't stannis shadow baby all his enemies? GOT will be over in a season!
Davos said Stannis was visibly aged after gathering the shadow children
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The video was great until the end where you went off script. The Night King is NOT in the book so why let the show throw you off track when discussing the book? Book readers should just relax and enjoy the show and pray that George will finish the damn books so you content creators can have stuff to discuss for years to come. ❤️
Interesting there are the players and those are just pieces
Rob was stupid his threat was himself in the end.
In game of thrones we have indian politics 😂