I recently found out that my family may well be descedents of the Roma. Reports say that my great grandmother was dropped off at an orphanage by 'gypsys' where her culture and language were beaten out of her by nuns. I only found this out after she died, and after several ancestry dna tests we were able to trace my ancestors travels from India throughout Asia and into Europe where they eventually wound up in England.
Im a roma gypsy born in hungary but grown up in canada .. our ppl are true survivors .. we survived agaisnt all ods for centuries some even tried to earse us .. but we are still here every where .. godbless our race and others as well 🙏 .. and to our haters godbless you to i know there are manny of you lol .. but its ok 👍 bcuz we are joyful and happy ppl most of the time and we only care about our family friends each other so ye ..
This was interesting my dads side are roma from Romania and Turkey but i am not close with their side of the family so i learned something about their family history today.
I am a (Gypsy) Roma, and I can say this... not much has changed in regards to our customs and traditions. I know most people hate us, but I can honestly say that I would have it no other way.
There's a handful of "peoples" that I'm glad (and sometimes, I'm amazed) still exist. The Roma are amongst them. Your people have faced som much persecution, hatred and abuse. I hope to see the end of that in our lifetimes. Much respect and affection from Maine (USA).
I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@just-dl I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@Gcountryball2021 I understand what you’re saying, but that word never bothered me. For practical purposes, it’s a lot easier for people to understand who they’re talking about. Whenever I say “Roma” or “Rom”, it confuses the conversation. I understand that it was made up as a derogatory name, but for some stupid reason or another, I’m proud of it. I once read that it’s origins came from the word Gip or Gyp, meaning to steal.
Well, Stalin created a country for the gypsies. It was called something like: The Republic of Gypsy or something like that. The country was near Urals Mountains and Siberia. After Stalin died, they shut down the project.
Thanks for this quickshot education. Cool video!! I already knew it as I've read about Roma for awhile but I'm grateful as an Armenian that it mentioned where the Roma first went. It's rare that we are mentioned in history. I wonder how many Roma stayed in Armenia and Iran/Persia? I know there are some Armenian & Persian words in the Roma language so it must have been awhile they stayed...but I wonder who didn't get run out by the Ottomans/Seljuk Turks?
I belong to the Scandinavian Gypsy/Romani people. They are named Tater. The word Tater comes from Tartaros, which is Greek for hell, so here they where known as "the children from hell" according to extreme right-winged people. We dont have any form of religion, as the church and governments forced the children of the Tater people and put them in christian homes. Tho today we do not hate on any form of religion, we still keep a fair distance to it (at least my whole family line did). Tho we have not been travelers for the last 150-200 years, and had started to settle down in the early 1800, my father's family still faced a lot of hate from the people around. My Tater family name is Palm, but it was lost as the generations went by. We are faire skinned, with blue eyes and cole black hair (I sadly didnt get the hair gene as my mother's side is not romani but of another minority)
According to ancient Greek mythology, Tatarus (ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros) is similar to a version of hell. It is a dungeon of sorts that torture and punishes the wicked as well as being the prison to Titans. Thus, his version of Tartaros is based on the ancient Greek meaning which in modern English is basically hell.
Hello fellow Tater! What you said is slightly incorrect, the Tater name come from Tartaria (which was sometimes associated with Tartarus) which was an ambigous name eastern Eurasia, particularly eastern Russia. We were mixed up with Tatars. I have old mugshot photos of relatives which say "Tatar race".
Er det noen Palm navn du kan nevne i slekta di fra 1900-1800 tallet? Jeg tror vi er i slekt. Jeg kommer fra Larsen/Holm/Kvikk/Qvikk. Tror det er noen Palm der inne å.
Really wish they used the word "Romanies" instead of Roma because it would include all Gypsies like Sinti, Romanichal, Gitanos, etc, not just just Roma.
Hi there that's interesting to hear I'm Romani/y born in England or the UK. I agree as a Romany I know my origins and my dna has been really useful and helpful in so many ways including finding family. I for one would love to know more about the sinti Spanish gitano and the Kali races. Our language is pretty much how he describes romany. But amongst the research I've undertaken based on what I know of my great grandparents and ancestors. The video is fairly representative of my race and culture. It would be really cool is @opensociety could do is make a seperate video on the Kali the Spanish gitano, Sinti, German Gypsy, Vlax did we all originate from India 🇮🇳 my dna seems to reflect thls & I can only say for myself that my family's origins are from India.. All the best and stay well everyone.. 🙏👍✌️💚🤞
Romanies were never traditionally Christian. They came much later. I know both Jewish and Hindu people and though we do have a few similarities with Jewish customs, there are many, many more similarities with Hindu. So many words are almost the same in Hindi too.
Yes, they are only Christian in Christian countries. In Muslim countries, they are Muslim. In & amongst themselves, they have their own traditional religious beliefs.
I am a gypsy (rom) from the muchvaya tribe, its interesting that our culture is finally being recognized and we are being called rom finally, cool video. Sa eh gadray si deeley.
Actually in Bulgaria the local real Bulgarian people are really happy with that fact that we are have been in concentration camps which is sadly strange!
The Economist says Roma live in New York City as anyone else. No one notices them as different from anyone else. Only in Europe they seem rejected everywhere, so resort to living in caravans, begging and telling fortunes of people who feel, often rightly, that it's a scam. If they were allowed to settle, work, and live like everyone else there might be no problem as here. Tell them to emigrate to America. Or give them jobs and houses to settle in . Welcome them. Don't push them out.
Templedelagloire Roma is the name normally associated with a gypsy group that originated in Northern India but the tinkers in the UK and Ireland have been a wandering separate tribe for at least 1,000 years possibly anything up to 2,000 and the name ROM(R)A may originate with a old name for the Solway Firth in the Scottish borders. watch?v=NLIMoNqaWK8
GREEN M The travellers in the UK were people from Ireland who came over because of the great famine and had nowhere to live, actually. I don't know if the 'tinkers' are the same but ...
..wrong ... the gypsy folki came from India...true the irish travellers are the descendants of the landless peasants ... and probably the same for the scottish .... there could well be links back to the travelling 'bards' ...
love how the video quickly dismisses the only political structure that ever aknowledged the roma as equal citizens and not as an inferior race.. which is both scientifically and historically rather unethical, dear Open Society Foundation....
***** Roma and Sinti who used to live in the former Soviet Eastern European countries have informed us in Austria that they had much better lives in the Soviet era. In all the centuries of tyranny they have experienced, the Soviet Union was - if by no means perfect - far better than what they had had before and what they have now again to cope with in Europe (the hatred, the opression, the discrimination, etc.).
@@brownkevi1 yes thats very true .. my grandparents told me the same thing .. while the soviet union was in control of eastern europe they had much better life as gypsies..
That's true. My parents are roma from soviet Ukraine and they told me that roma were given equal opportunities as other citizens. That's because communist didn't divide people based on nationality
@ imro filo UK and Irish travelers are not Roma people. They have adopted a culture similar to ours. But there is blonde and blue eyed real Roma people swell. :)
Irish Travellers and Highland Scottish Travellers are pure blooded European. English, Lowland Scottish and Welsh Romanichal are a mix of Romani and British.
One of my "Cajun" ancestors in South Louisiana was actually a Roma woman rounded up in France (at the demand of the Pope, who wanted the Roma gone) and shipped off to bayou land. They had French names but in Louisiana they were called "Egyptians."
those called "gypsy" are more than one people, they are Tsigani (from Greek Athinganoi), Romani (Indian origin), Tinkers & Travelers (in Ireland) & Domari in West Asia and North Africa. Romani and Domari are related, but Tsigani are indigenous to former Roman Empire though mixed with Romani & Domari groups. Tinkers and Travellers have nothing to do with Romani. I'm working on establishing this theory, message me if you would like to know my logic here.
Thank you for legitimization my people through this video. This helps further validate us as an ethnic group and culture in the eyes and minds of ignorant Americans and racists alike. Our history and culture must be shared. I'm sick of how essentializing portrayal of my people can be. (Also, I'm an actual Rom, not a Traveller. I was born in Hungary, but I was adopted by White Americans, hence the Irish last name.)
As long as you associate with your ethnicity and not with your nationality there will always be persecution towards you!Why don't you just accept your nationality?
Kireto Music I do a dot my Hungarian nationality & ethnic heritage. I never said I didn’t. Please learn how to read and please take a course on the rhetoric of protest & reform.
How dare you BITE the hand that fed you? You are in America taking advantage of everything and you dare call Americans ignorants? Did you even finish high school? I doubt it
I have Jewish and To many background My Great grandmother was. Irish and pretty sure Irish Romany, I have Gift of the "Sight" from both sides of my family. I will amend the top line Romany not to many. I am proud of both Her Surname was Sullivan
This video is well intended, but pretty bad in my mind. It not only ignored the heterogenous nature of Roma (e.g. Sinti usually speak a version of Romanes that is not mutually intelligable with Romanes variants from further east), but also mostly linked them to Romania and presented them as nothing but victims in Europe and especially World War II. It ignored the many Roma fighting on the Eastern Front on at first both sides (until Himmler made up his mind in 1942) and later only on the Soviet side. Also the Roma are not exclusively of Indian descent, that should be clear from the pure look of many Roma.
I cannot imagine that up to now the Gypsy remain not be able to integrate with the host people of the country they go.. this because the host are not welcome them or the Gypsy cannot adapt to the people of the host country?
Still, despite my positive comment a year ago, this vidoe still has a few problems. "Gypsies" are Roma and other Romani. It's a slur for us and it's our word. No other grew has the right to call themselves "Gypsies". Also, Free-Spirits, Wanderers and Travellers have nothing to do with us. The Irish & Scottish Travellers do not share our South Asian, Central Asian, Cucasian, Middle Eastern and Eastern European heritage. They are just pre-Celtic White Europeans who appropriated very vague and offensive parts of their cultures, while making up their own crap and spreading more lies about us and our origins.
Don't insult our culture try to reinforce fake stereotypes and make up history to try and support your claims against us , we don't like being called gypsies either we are travellers and never claim association to roma
mikmaq and abenaki are part roma we are starting to discuss the romani reconigtion act in congress and slowly the mikmaq are discussing roma rights even though it sounds like we are discussing bureau of indian affairs rights or aborigonal affairs those entities are not in juristiction
I don't think gypsies (Romani people) brought flamenco music to Spain. Flamenco was born in Andalusia but they are not even sure exactly when. However they do know that it it is a mix of different elements from the music of many ethnic groups that lived in Al Andalus together during the Muslim empire. Gitanos did play a big role in reviving, maintaining and making Flamenco music prominent, but it is not only "theirs" and they did not bring it to Spain.
We originate from North Pakistan, related to the Burusho, Kalash, Pamiri, Kuchi Pashtuns, Kashmiris ect, mainly mountain tribes and nomads, desended from Pronto Iranian Steppe Nomads. x
In Romania we call them tzigani.....the word is from greek atigan...it meens do not touch.first mension in our hystory obout gipsy was in 14 centery when prince Dan of Valachia donate to a monastery some gipsy slave family.they was slave until 18 century.any question?
No, you are wrong...Tzigani it doesnt means this in greek..I speak greek and origin of the word Tzigani it comes from Zingaro, a man that tried to grouped the gypsy tribes in ancient Greece.
Now they are either trying to scam you in the parking lot selling fake jewelry with a sad story or standing by a street corner with a sign saying they need help with money for a motel and food. I gave this lady 5 bucks anf she had the nerve to ask me for 30 bucks!!
I would venture that Roma people could be the first inhabitants of the Sindh, Pakistan (which is geographically close to India). After the progressive Islamic conquest of the 7th-8th century, which also got to Persia and later, Spain, they were left nationless and perhaps were forced to emigrate. But they were not welcome everywhere else.
Apparently the travellers came about in the early Christian era in Ireland when Some Druidic groups joined with other outlaws or wolvesheads and began to travel Ireland, this is one report of the origin .
+ann prince The Irish Travellers (not the Travellers referred to in this video) are descended from the 4th century Deisi Muman, the groups who were not part of the complex series of clan relationships in Ireland under the High Kings at Tara. Many migrated in the immediate post-Roman period, to west Wales and were part of the establishment of the early mediaeval Kingdom of Dyfed, where they kept their name of the "walking people" an Lucht Sigil in old Irish...
Ok did infer it was a theory but what you say interesting because it seems there was Irish immigration to Scotland now Wales! Our Islands are connected in many ways we all are! +
I’m Australian with Romani Gypsy ancestry, Russian ancestry, Baltic ancestry, and there’s other ancestry from Scotland 🏴 England 🏴 Welsh, Germanic, Scandinavian Norway 🇳🇴, Denmark 🇩🇰 plus a few others so I’m made up of a whole lotta ancestors 😊🥰. I really want to know,learn more about my Romani ancestry
Same as most of us i think. I recently took a DNA ancestry test and the results were extremly strange. I am roman gipsy with both parents roman gipsy, but in my ancestry shows up i am mix of serbian, greek, turkish and persian as a majority.
I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@kevinmiles1730 I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@banjara-romas3698 oh just stop spreading this fake info on each n every video to gain subscribers. I have few friends who r Banjara/Roma/Gypsy (I don't like calling them Gypsy) and they stay in India belong to Roma community and are highly educated. Some are deprived of education but that's because of finance issues, Indian constitution Doesn't discriminate on caste/community.
@@pallavi.bharati As you mentioned some states in India who got reservation in education are highly educated. But not in all states of India. Which state your friend belongs to?. Kindly verify it. There are differences in reservation for each states or provinces in india.
Kind of. Romani in Eastern Europe are probably 100% Indian. Romani in Central Europe and Southern Europe are probably 70-90% Indian. Romani in Britain, France and Scandinavia are probably 40-60% Indian. Romani get more mixed the further west you travel.
the UK & Irish travelers are difrent type of gipsys they are not tan they have no dark hair or brown eyes ..wich means they didnt came from the same place we did ..
The Irish travellers are a completely separate ethnic group descended from the (unsurprisingly) Irish, apart from both groups bring nomadic they share little in common. As for us British Romani well, years of interbreeding with the locals has lead to us developing a different appearance and culture to our mainland relatives yet we are Romani all the same with a separate culture to the majority of people in Britain.
los gitanos vienen delas tribus perdidas de Israel, la OSF solo quiere confundir... no deberían confiar en una publicacion realizada por una organización fundada por Soros....
There is no roma people..This is a name given to them..Their original name was DOM and LOM..These were their tribes names...They are known as cigany or tigani or zingaro due to their skills as singers as cingars means singer in old persian...The term atinganos does not reprezent their name as they were told and this name comes from a peiorative name..They changed their name during history due to circumstances...They named themselves gypsy and claimed that come from Egipt then said they are romans and comes from Eastern Roman Empire from Constantinopole..Even in western countries the governments changed their names from gypsy to traveller...The actual name roma comes from roaming as they were roaming people but the spelling were changed from roam people to roma because was considered peiorativ and discriminatory to be called roaming people.Therefore was adopted the name roma.They are not romani but roamali...and their language roamales as they themselves calls their language roamali..This is reality about this people who came long time ago from Indian Continent...and no other
So a year ago in August, I spent 5 weeks in Bulgaria, which has a pretty significant 'Gypsy' population. Too bad I didn't arrive at Stara Zagora a few months earlier, when I could have bought a Gypsy bride pretty cheap. While the bride market is a reality, it's not as lurid as it sounds (and, no, I didn't come back home with a bride or two ... though they are fetching). I've encountered Gypsies in Bulgaria, Romania and Moldova, as well as unexpected encounters in Italy and even in the US. Nice people for the most part, if one can generalize. I'd even say nicer than most people who have issues with Gypsies, and, yes, I'm deliberately using the term 'Gypsy,' instead of the PC term 'Roma' or 'Romani.' This is not meant to be an insult, but instead defiance. The word 'Gypsy' only has a negative connotation if you allow it. Me? I think of the Gypsy girl Esmeralda from the Hunchback of Notre Dame, and there was nothing negative about her!
The Cassandra LOL then stay there for another thousand years.Green eyes will turn blue and faif skin will turn fairef untill there will be no physical difference between a native European and thd Gypsys!
Will the one that still and make a bad name for themselves stop ? How come they were enslved, locked everywhere they went? Don't get me wrong, all my respect for those that aligned with normal society, but others are just on the wrong side of the law more often than not. Plus they make a bad name for the countries from which they immigrate...
Gypsy communities that had moved towards the British islands encountered another itinerant and persecuted group in these lands, the so-called Irish Travellers or Minkiers. The historical origins of this nomadic group are far from clear several assumptions have been made. Early theories argued that Travellers might be descended from Irish landlords, who lost their properties and were made homeless by the invasion perpetuated by the English leader Oliver Cromwell (Vesey-Fitzgerald, 1973). Another study (Riain, 2000), claimed that the existence of itinerant households in Ireland dates back to the V century BC. On the other hand, much debate has been concentrated extensively on the hypothesis that Gypsy and Traveller are the same, possess the same genealogy and any cultural difference should be explained just by identity corruption (McGary, 2010). Murphy et al. (1999), report an extensive genetic study, undertaken in 1999 to compare Travellers’ genetic heritage to the genetic heritage of the Irish non-Traveller population. The results favoured the indigenous hypothesis although they opened avenues for further studies.
Dastardly Europeans? Looked at the video creator... of course they'd imply the ottoman were saints and Europeans evil I wonder what Armenians would say.
Roma have never said that they came from India until some Gadje in the 20th century c.e. told them that they have studied and that "science" establishes that they are Indians!
"Science" actually works though. Of course, Turks, Mongols, Germans, Scandinavians, Celts, Iranians and Indians all speak dialects of the proto-indo-european language suggesting they all share a recent common ancestor in terms of both culture and language and probably genetics, so the Roma are not singled out by saying they're from India, and to be honest it doesn't really matter where they came from; what matters is how badly an ethnic group (a nation) without a home-country has been treated by members of nation states for centuries.
Katara Me I didn't say that ancestor was Aryan. I'm talking about the Kurgan hypothesis, which has nothing to do with the Roma or the concept of nation-states anyway so I don't know what your problem is.
Wenn man nur von held*innen und sklav*innen redet fühle ich mich als Mann unterdrückt weil eig nur die weibliche Form genannt wurde ! Außerdem weißt euer Video einige geschichtliche Fehler auf, also nächste mal bitte bisschen besser recherchieren.
I recently found out that my family may well be descedents of the Roma. Reports say that my great grandmother was dropped off at an orphanage by 'gypsys' where her culture and language were beaten out of her by nuns. I only found this out after she died, and after several ancestry dna tests we were able to trace my ancestors travels from India throughout Asia and into Europe where they eventually wound up in England.
Ah so youd be in my vitsa then, Romnichal
Hi, how did you look for clues in your ancestry DNA other than south Asian? Did you find dna that sort of matched the Roma migration route?
Its allways so interesting to go back to our roots ! Romani people are so special .live and let live!
English Roma tend to be called Romanichal, unless you immigrated. What DNA test did you use?
Me too
Rom, Roma, Romani, Dom, Doma, And Domari are all names and nicknames for Ethnic Gypsies while Travellers are there own seperate thing
Im a roma gypsy born in hungary but grown up in canada .. our ppl are true survivors .. we survived agaisnt all ods for centuries some even tried to earse us .. but we are still here every where .. godbless our race and others as well 🙏 .. and to our haters godbless you to i know there are manny of you lol .. but its ok 👍 bcuz we are joyful and happy ppl most of the time and we only care about our family friends each other so ye ..
Hello fellow gypsy
May your travels be safe and joyful ❤️ ⭕️
God bless the outcasts.
Thanks for this, love learning about different peoples and the Roma don't get enough positive coverage
As a gipsy i can confirm that's true
This was interesting my dads side are roma from Romania and Turkey but i am not close with their side of the family so i learned something about their family history today.
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I am a (Gypsy) Roma, and I can say this... not much has changed in regards to our customs and traditions. I know most people hate us, but I can honestly say that I would have it no other way.
There's a handful of "peoples" that I'm glad (and sometimes, I'm amazed) still exist. The Roma are amongst them. Your people have faced som much persecution, hatred and abuse. I hope to see the end of that in our lifetimes. Much respect and affection from Maine (USA).
I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@just-dl I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
Dont Say Gipsy Say Romani or Roma cause the Whites maked a name fór romas "Gipsy" IT means enemy,Killer,
@@Gcountryball2021 I understand what you’re saying, but that word never bothered me. For practical purposes, it’s a lot easier for people to understand who they’re talking about. Whenever I say “Roma” or “Rom”, it confuses the conversation. I understand that it was made up as a derogatory name, but for some stupid reason or another, I’m proud of it. I once read that it’s origins came from the word Gip or Gyp, meaning to steal.
Well, Stalin created a country for the gypsies. It was called something like: The Republic of Gypsy or something like that. The country was near Urals Mountains and Siberia. After Stalin died, they shut down the project.
That's the funnest thing I ever heard.
😂
Thanks for this quickshot education. Cool video!! I already knew it as I've read about Roma for awhile but I'm grateful as an Armenian that it mentioned where the Roma first went. It's rare that we are mentioned in history. I wonder how many Roma stayed in Armenia and Iran/Persia? I know there are some Armenian & Persian words in the Roma language so it must have been awhile they stayed...but I wonder who didn't get run out by the Ottomans/Seljuk Turks?
As an Armenian myself, I was also glad to hear that! Sadly people worldwide barely know Armenia and how ancient this country is.
I belong to the Scandinavian Gypsy/Romani people. They are named Tater. The word Tater comes from Tartaros, which is Greek for hell, so here they where known as "the children from hell" according to extreme right-winged people. We dont have any form of religion, as the church and governments forced the children of the Tater people and put them in christian homes. Tho today we do not hate on any form of religion, we still keep a fair distance to it (at least my whole family line did).
Tho we have not been travelers for the last 150-200 years, and had started to settle down in the early 1800, my father's family still faced a lot of hate from the people around. My Tater family name is Palm, but it was lost as the generations went by. We are faire skinned, with blue eyes and cole black hair (I sadly didnt get the hair gene as my mother's side is not romani but of another minority)
Ali BJD dont lose hope my brother
According to ancient Greek mythology, Tatarus (ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tartaros) is similar to a version of hell. It is a dungeon of sorts that torture and punishes the wicked as well as being the prison to Titans. Thus, his version of Tartaros is based on the ancient Greek meaning which in modern English is basically hell.
Has any of the scholarly history of Roma/Romani been particularly balanced and insightful?
Hello fellow Tater! What you said is slightly incorrect, the Tater name come from Tartaria (which was sometimes associated with Tartarus) which was an ambigous name eastern Eurasia, particularly eastern Russia. We were mixed up with Tatars. I have old mugshot photos of relatives which say "Tatar race".
Er det noen Palm navn du kan nevne i slekta di fra 1900-1800 tallet? Jeg tror vi er i slekt. Jeg kommer fra Larsen/Holm/Kvikk/Qvikk. Tror det er noen Palm der inne å.
....I think Romania was under Turkish rule at that time....
Opre Roma!! Long live to Roma and their traditions!
Really wish they used the word "Romanies" instead of Roma because it would include all Gypsies like Sinti, Romanichal, Gitanos, etc, not just just Roma.
I think the best word would be just gypsies
@@grogfrt9427 the distinction is significant to the history/culture.
But that would cause more confusion with the Romanians
Hi there that's interesting to hear I'm Romani/y born in England or the UK. I agree as a Romany I know my origins and my dna has been really useful and helpful in so many ways including finding family. I for one would love to know more about the sinti Spanish gitano and the Kali races. Our language is pretty much how he describes romany. But amongst the research I've undertaken based on what I know of my great grandparents and ancestors. The video is fairly representative of my race and culture. It would be really cool is @opensociety could do is make a seperate video on the Kali the Spanish gitano, Sinti, German Gypsy, Vlax did we all originate from India 🇮🇳 my dna seems to reflect thls & I can only say for myself that my family's origins are from India.. All the best and stay well everyone.. 🙏👍✌️💚🤞
Grog Frt
India & Pakistan aren’t Egypt. You decide who’s insulted but still my point stands.
Romanies were never traditionally Christian. They came much later. I know both Jewish and Hindu people and though we do have a few similarities with Jewish customs, there are many, many more similarities with Hindu. So many words are almost the same in Hindi too.
Yes, they are only Christian in Christian countries. In Muslim countries, they are Muslim. In & amongst themselves, they have their own traditional religious beliefs.
I want to create a website to promote gypsy culture. Can I use your video without any copyright infringement?
I am a gypsy (rom) from the muchvaya tribe, its interesting that our culture is finally being recognized and we are being called rom finally, cool video. Sa eh gadray si deeley.
No,it's bad.Because people are now confusing romanians with roma people.
+Johann The Maggot ... but maggots are just maggots ... 'life' amongst dead stuff ... a racist maggot yet... ha ha ... I spit in your fire ... fool
A little patriot in your pants.
MikeG MikeG your my brother indian
MikeG MikeG welcome india
we are one
Wow here in America I am just learning about Roma people properly from Roma people. Justice for these incredible survivors!
They actually look alike normal Indians...
I hope they get to live and Prosper. India failed them for some reason 1000 years ago...
That “muchos gracias” was very well done 😂
thank you so much for posting this I have a project about the aroma people, very helpful!
Beautifull work !
Actually in Bulgaria the local real Bulgarian people are really happy with that fact that we are have been in concentration camps which is sadly strange!
Would you not differentiate Roma Gipsys to Irish travellers? I'd see them as two separate groups. Otherwise it gets confusing.
Travellers are a different breed then gypsies
Ikr
Think there's more to Roma, Gypsies & Travellers than "My Big Fat Gypsy Wedding"? There is.
Interesting history to follow.
The Economist says Roma live in New York City as anyone else. No one notices them as different from anyone else. Only in Europe they seem rejected everywhere, so resort to living in caravans, begging and telling fortunes of people who feel, often rightly, that it's a scam. If they were allowed to settle, work, and live like everyone else there might be no problem as here. Tell them to emigrate to America. Or give them jobs and houses to settle in . Welcome them. Don't push them out.
Templedelagloire Roma is the name normally associated with a gypsy group that originated in Northern India but the tinkers in the UK and Ireland have been a wandering separate tribe for at least 1,000 years possibly anything up to 2,000 and the name ROM(R)A may originate with a old name for the Solway Firth in the Scottish borders. watch?v=NLIMoNqaWK8
GREEN M The travellers in the UK were people from Ireland who came over because of the great famine and had nowhere to live, actually. I don't know if the 'tinkers' are the same but ...
..wrong ... the gypsy folki came from India...true the irish travellers are the descendants of the landless peasants ... and probably the same for the scottish .... there could well be links back to the travelling 'bards' ...
love how the video quickly dismisses the only political structure that ever aknowledged the roma as equal citizens and not as an inferior race.. which is both scientifically and historically rather unethical, dear Open Society Foundation....
***** Roma and Sinti who used to live in the former Soviet Eastern European countries have informed us in Austria that they had much better lives in the Soviet era. In all the centuries of tyranny they have experienced, the Soviet Union was - if by no means perfect - far better than what they had had before and what they have now again to cope with in Europe (the hatred, the opression, the discrimination, etc.).
@@brownkevi1 yes thats very true .. my grandparents told me the same thing .. while the soviet union was in control of eastern europe they had much better life as gypsies..
Actually some Roma were tolerated by Muslims if they converted/ followed Islam.
That's true. My parents are roma from soviet Ukraine and they told me that roma were given equal opportunities as other citizens. That's because communist didn't divide people based on nationality
@ imro filo UK and Irish travelers are not Roma people. They have adopted a culture similar to ours. But there is blonde and blue eyed real Roma people swell. :)
Irish Travellers and Highland Scottish Travellers are pure blooded European.
English, Lowland Scottish and Welsh Romanichal are a mix of Romani and British.
One of my "Cajun" ancestors in South Louisiana was actually a Roma woman rounded up in France (at the demand of the Pope, who wanted the Roma gone) and shipped off to bayou land. They had French names but in Louisiana they were called "Egyptians."
those called "gypsy" are more than one people, they are Tsigani (from Greek Athinganoi), Romani (Indian origin), Tinkers & Travelers (in Ireland) & Domari in West Asia and North Africa. Romani and Domari are related, but Tsigani are indigenous to former Roman Empire though mixed with Romani & Domari groups. Tinkers and Travellers have nothing to do with Romani. I'm working on establishing this theory, message me if you would like to know my logic here.
Tinkers are not Romany
Message me if you want to know about us I am one and would share some stuff about culture
@@Romchav people in Ireland often refer to them as gypsies
Very true Irish travelers and tinkers are NOT gypsies. They may appear to look and live like gypsies but are in fact not.
Roma means rama country... 🇮🇳👍
Thank you for legitimization my people through this video. This helps further validate us as an ethnic group and culture in the eyes and minds of ignorant Americans and racists alike. Our history and culture must be shared. I'm sick of how essentializing portrayal of my people can be. (Also, I'm an actual Rom, not a Traveller. I was born in Hungary, but I was adopted by White Americans, hence the Irish last name.)
As long as you associate with your ethnicity and not with your nationality there will always be persecution towards you!Why don't you just accept your nationality?
Kireto Music I do a dot my Hungarian nationality & ethnic heritage. I never said I didn’t. Please learn how to read and please take a course on the rhetoric of protest & reform.
How dare you BITE the hand that fed you? You are in America taking advantage of everything and you dare call Americans ignorants? Did you even finish high school? I doubt it
I have Jewish and To many background My Great grandmother was. Irish and pretty sure Irish Romany, I have Gift of the "Sight" from both sides of my family. I will amend the top line Romany not to many. I am proud of both Her Surname was Sullivan
Irish Romany dont exist.
Irish Travellers aren’t Romani, they’re native Irish.
My great-grandmother family friended with the gypsies she's from Denmark before World War II
This video is well intended, but pretty bad in my mind. It not only ignored the heterogenous nature of Roma (e.g. Sinti usually speak a version of Romanes that is not mutually intelligable with Romanes variants from further east), but also mostly linked them to Romania and presented them as nothing but victims in Europe and especially World War II. It ignored the many Roma fighting on the Eastern Front on at first both sides (until Himmler made up his mind in 1942) and later only on the Soviet side. Also the Roma are not exclusively of Indian descent, that should be clear from the pure look of many Roma.
@Dr. xyz How about you read my comment again and then realize on your own, your mistake. And btw. don´t bother to reply, I won´t notice.
@@inotaishu1nope, i think he pointed out your mistake, they are indeed from India
@@CaptainAmerica0427 did you even read what I wrote or did you just see that I disagreed? Because I said "not exclusively of Indian descent"!!!!!
I am going to cheer for the Roma people. Any place I can donate money for the Roma?
Very nice of you. From a fellow Indian.
+Udit Adhikari you do donate to them every time your federal Income tax is filed.....
JackCondor44 What country do you think I live in?
Udit Adhikari
I don't know.... but it was a good punch line....
JackCondor44 Haha a bit aweful but I will take it laughingly.
Romany is not Romanian don't get us mixed up and there isn't no solid evidence to say we were ever called Roma
Kian Gibson no one said that big man
Why he pronounce roma like dat?
Europeans: (sees Romani)
Europeans: “Le gasp! EGYPTIANS!?”
Romani: “Bruh we’re Indian descent.”
(Later)
Europeans: “Oh blimey! Indians!?”
Native Americans: “No.”
Romani: “OH COME ON!!!!!”
This clip is so cool
Really liked this,educational and creative
@Will Simpson - it is NOT educative, but wrong. Lots of inaccurate statements in this video clip
@@ROMANABSOLUT Okay, can you add to the knowledge base please. Tell me which parts are wrong?
@@Dirtyratsdotwebs - see my answer on your page under Discussions.
Romas, please come back to India, it's your own motherland
Not anymore
There are some travellers at my fav park and they’re most likely to be aggressive
We are Vlad Dracula's chosen minority.
I cannot imagine that up to now the Gypsy remain not be able to integrate with the host people of the country they go.. this because the host are not welcome them or the Gypsy cannot adapt to the people of the host country?
after 1000 years they even lndian .........discrimination must stop of Roma people
Still, despite my positive comment a year ago, this vidoe still has a few problems. "Gypsies" are Roma and other Romani. It's a slur for us and it's our word. No other grew has the right to call themselves "Gypsies". Also, Free-Spirits, Wanderers and Travellers have nothing to do with us. The Irish & Scottish Travellers do not share our South Asian, Central Asian, Cucasian, Middle Eastern and Eastern European heritage. They are just pre-Celtic White Europeans who appropriated very vague and offensive parts of their cultures, while making up their own crap and spreading more lies about us and our origins.
Don't insult our culture try to reinforce fake stereotypes and make up history to try and support your claims against us , we don't like being called gypsies either we are travellers and never claim association to roma
Return your oldest home apply to Indian citizenship .
@Open Society Foundations - WHY do you keep deleting my comments ? They are TRUE History.
mikmaq and abenaki are part roma we are starting to discuss the romani reconigtion act in congress and slowly the mikmaq are discussing roma rights even though it sounds like we are discussing bureau of indian affairs rights or aborigonal affairs those entities are not in juristiction
I don't think gypsies (Romani people) brought flamenco music to Spain. Flamenco was born in Andalusia but they are not even sure exactly when. However they do know that it it is a mix of different elements from the music of many ethnic groups that lived in Al Andalus together during the Muslim empire. Gitanos did play a big role in reviving, maintaining and making Flamenco music prominent, but it is not only "theirs" and they did not bring it to Spain.
We originate from North Pakistan, related to the Burusho, Kalash, Pamiri, Kuchi Pashtuns, Kashmiris ect, mainly mountain tribes and nomads, desended from Pronto Iranian Steppe Nomads. x
Pakistan Afghanistan mayanmar this India before 1947 British partition India
this clip is full of misinformation.
astia parca zic istoria altei populatii
Grasune Alexandru Stiu
denumirea aia de roma toată chestia cu sclavia de unde au scos toate ăstea?
Grasune Alexandru chiar s-a intamplat, s-a vorbit despre dezrobirea rromilor in 1848.
at îmi cer scz în acea privința ms pt confirmarea informației
In Romania we call them tzigani.....the word is from greek atigan...it meens do not touch.first mension in our hystory obout gipsy was in 14 centery when prince Dan of Valachia donate to a monastery some gipsy slave family.they was slave until 18 century.any question?
No, you are wrong...Tzigani it doesnt means this in greek..I speak greek and origin of the word Tzigani it comes from Zingaro, a man that tried to grouped the gypsy tribes in ancient Greece.
Now they are either trying to scam you in the parking lot selling fake jewelry with a sad story or standing by a street corner with a sign saying they need help with money for a motel and food. I gave this lady 5 bucks anf she had the nerve to ask me for 30 bucks!!
@Imro Filo my husband is English Rom and has dark hair, eyes and skin.
... Rom first ... english second ..
@@gypsydave23 - she wanted to say : British born Gypsy
I would venture that Roma people could be the first inhabitants of the Sindh, Pakistan (which is geographically close to India). After the progressive Islamic conquest of the 7th-8th century, which also got to Persia and later, Spain, they were left nationless and perhaps were forced to emigrate. But they were not welcome everywhere else.
Nice video, I enjoyed the animations.
Apparently the travellers came about in the early Christian era in Ireland when Some Druidic groups joined with other outlaws or wolvesheads and began to travel Ireland, this is one report of the origin .
+ann prince The Irish Travellers (not the Travellers referred to in this video) are descended from the 4th century Deisi Muman, the groups who were not part of the complex series of clan relationships in Ireland under the High Kings at Tara. Many migrated in the immediate post-Roman period, to west Wales and were part of the establishment of the early mediaeval Kingdom of Dyfed, where they kept their name of the "walking people" an Lucht Sigil in old Irish...
Ok did infer it was a theory but what you say interesting because it seems there was Irish immigration to Scotland now Wales! Our Islands are connected in many ways we all are! +
I could not say it better! I'm from Czech... and I can say that you are comletely right! Sad truth...
@TheMistrG - no, he is not "complete right". He is wrong in many details.
I’m Australian with Romani Gypsy ancestry, Russian ancestry, Baltic ancestry, and there’s other ancestry from Scotland 🏴 England 🏴 Welsh, Germanic, Scandinavian Norway 🇳🇴, Denmark 🇩🇰 plus a few others so I’m made up of a whole lotta ancestors 😊🥰. I really want to know,learn more about my Romani ancestry
Same as most of us i think. I recently took a DNA ancestry test and the results were extremly strange. I am roman gipsy with both parents roman gipsy, but in my ancestry shows up i am mix of serbian, greek, turkish and persian as a majority.
So what are Irish Gypsies & what are English Gypsies, what's their history???
Nice video I recently found out my great great grandfather,Samson scamp was king of the Romani gypsies for a while
My ancestird where gyspis and they left behind ther gypsi lifestyle as late as the 1920s
I’m a Roma gypsie but my family are from Egypt and Italy?
Gypsy here too but also connected to native Indian
I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@kevinmiles1730 I am a banjara gypsy from India. We too deprived in many aspects including education. We are struggling with our government to develop our community. I need support in all ways to bring out gypsy to the entire world. Need help. Besides, I started a youtube channel "BANJARA-ROMAS" to let others know about us. Subscribe it if you like it. My mail id atrisanth@gmail.com.
@@banjara-romas3698 oh just stop spreading this fake info on each n every video to gain subscribers. I have few friends who r Banjara/Roma/Gypsy (I don't like calling them Gypsy) and they stay in India belong to Roma community and are highly educated. Some are deprived of education but that's because of finance issues, Indian constitution Doesn't discriminate on caste/community.
@@pallavi.bharati As you mentioned some states in India who got reservation in education are highly educated. But not in all states of India. Which state your friend belongs to?. Kindly verify it. There are differences in reservation for each states or provinces in india.
Is Michael Caine narrating? I've read that he has some Romany blood.
Whats the song at the end?
It’s a gypsy folk song I’m not sure what it’s called but I heard it before in an Hungarian Roma cartoon “Magyar nép mesèk”
Wait so Roma people are mixed ??
Kind of.
Romani in Eastern Europe are probably 100% Indian.
Romani in Central Europe and Southern Europe are probably 70-90% Indian.
Romani in Britain, France and Scandinavia are probably 40-60% Indian.
Romani get more mixed the further west you travel.
Please don't attach Romani history with India, you might offend western historian's.
Romania and Roma are two diffrent things !!!!!
Yes
I’m born in Australia but my parents are Macedonia roma Gypsy but Ik where my ancestors are from
So where are they from ?
irish travellers are completely different btw
the UK & Irish travelers are difrent type of gipsys they are not tan they have no dark hair or brown eyes ..wich means they didnt came from the same place we did ..
The Irish travellers are a completely separate ethnic group descended from the (unsurprisingly) Irish, apart from both groups bring nomadic they share little in common. As for us British Romani well, years of interbreeding with the locals has lead to us developing a different appearance and culture to our mainland relatives yet we are Romani all the same with a separate culture to the majority of people in Britain.
Romanichal are gypsy Irish and Scottish travellers are not
I am Romanichal and I have dark hair, eyes and olive skin.
Belfast lore:
SOROS
This film is fabulous so good that there is an easy way to explain a complex history x
Thought we are from Jerusalem
los gitanos vienen delas tribus perdidas de Israel, la OSF solo quiere confundir... no deberían confiar en una publicacion realizada por una organización fundada por Soros....
Love to all Roma people! Im 1/4 roma from my dads side but feel dance sing like full roma.Thanks for this video well done! Zoe.
Most welcome Ms.R but 1000 years is a long time. You may not feel at home though you are one of us.
One plus is that we can file romani union or a roma nation organisation on our taxes and not pay taxes to roma nation
Some people need no introduction, trust me.
2:19 lmao
There is no roma people..This is a name given to them..Their original name was DOM and LOM..These were their tribes names...They are known as cigany or tigani or zingaro due to their skills as singers as cingars means singer in old persian...The term atinganos does not reprezent their name as they were told and this name comes from a peiorative name..They changed their name during history due to circumstances...They named themselves gypsy and claimed that come from Egipt then said they are romans and comes from Eastern Roman Empire from Constantinopole..Even in western countries the governments changed their names from gypsy to traveller...The actual name roma comes from roaming as they were roaming people but the spelling were changed from roam people to roma because was considered peiorativ and discriminatory to be called roaming people.Therefore was adopted the name roma.They are not romani but roamali...and their language roamales as they themselves calls their language roamali..This is reality about this people who came long time ago from Indian Continent...and no other
E jit
11 th century rajputana army soldiers
Where does the name Romani come from?
It means "man (human)" basically.
India, Punjab is their origin.."Romani" is a western invention to hide many historical facts.
Comes from the word Rama
God bless you
I'm a Gypies Celt with Blonde hair though?
My ancestors got to uk in 1240s in the 1701ad sold gries to the Kings army. Kushty divvers all ❤❤❤
And why everyone hates them
Original great warrior people
RomaniPride..👊
So a year ago in August, I spent 5 weeks in Bulgaria, which has a pretty significant 'Gypsy' population. Too bad I didn't arrive at Stara Zagora a few months earlier, when I could have bought a Gypsy bride pretty cheap. While the bride market is a reality, it's not as lurid as it sounds (and, no, I didn't come back home with a bride or two ... though they are fetching). I've encountered Gypsies in Bulgaria, Romania and Moldova, as well as unexpected encounters in Italy and even in the US. Nice people for the most part, if one can generalize. I'd even say nicer than most people who have issues with Gypsies, and, yes, I'm deliberately using the term 'Gypsy,' instead of the PC term 'Roma' or 'Romani.' This is not meant to be an insult, but instead defiance. The word 'Gypsy' only has a negative connotation if you allow it. Me? I think of the Gypsy girl Esmeralda from the Hunchback of Notre Dame, and there was nothing negative about her!
What
@@Thomathan When
@@Timurlane100Where
@@pauldior9704 - In Bulgaria, as stated.
@@pauldior9704 - Stara Zagora, Bulgaria. But you find similar in Moldova, particularly in the northern city Soroca where the "Gypsy King" lives.
Why these people left India?I assume even in India their social status was of lowest level.
The Cassandra LOL then stay there for another thousand years.Green eyes will turn blue and faif skin will turn fairef untill there will be no physical difference between a native European and thd Gypsys!
Ghazni wants took the Indian territory and he slaved us.
North India = Punjabis
jatt ahhhhh
Yes! ( and Kashmiris too)
@@burgerqueen1633 What are you?
roma people working? nice joke
if they call pickpocketing work, I guess?
@@locusmortis There is a joke in my country about how a gypsy recipe starts. It goes: "You steal 3 eggs".
Will the one that still and make a bad name for themselves stop ? How come they were enslved, locked everywhere they went?
Don't get me wrong, all my respect for those that aligned with normal society, but others are just on the wrong side of the law more often than not. Plus they make a bad name for the countries from which they immigrate...
Gypsy communities that had moved towards the British islands encountered another itinerant and persecuted group in these lands, the so-called Irish Travellers or Minkiers. The historical origins of this nomadic group are far from clear several assumptions have been made. Early theories argued that Travellers might be descended from Irish landlords, who lost their properties and were made homeless by the invasion perpetuated by the English leader Oliver Cromwell (Vesey-Fitzgerald, 1973). Another study (Riain, 2000), claimed that the existence of itinerant households in Ireland dates back to the V century BC. On the other hand, much debate has been concentrated extensively on the hypothesis that Gypsy and Traveller are the same, possess the same genealogy and any cultural difference should be explained just by identity corruption (McGary, 2010). Murphy et al. (1999), report an extensive genetic study, undertaken in 1999 to compare Travellers’ genetic heritage to the genetic heritage of the Irish non-Traveller population. The results favoured the indigenous hypothesis although they opened avenues for further studies.
You think you know everything,good job
+kaosmatik albert ..probably irish peasants .. not Rrom ...5th c B C... more likely celtic tribes ... semi nomadic...
thanx laura, nice clip
Dastardly Europeans? Looked at the video creator... of course they'd imply the ottoman were saints and Europeans evil I wonder what Armenians would say.
Omg their is someone who knows what we are ❤️❤️😮
What are you actually?
I'm half Sinto
Roma have never said that they came from India until some Gadje in the 20th century c.e. told them that they have studied and that "science" establishes that they are Indians!
"Science" actually works though. Of course, Turks, Mongols, Germans, Scandinavians, Celts, Iranians and Indians all speak dialects of the proto-indo-european language suggesting they all share a recent common ancestor in terms of both culture and language and probably genetics, so the Roma are not singled out by saying they're from India, and to be honest it doesn't really matter where they came from; what matters is how badly an ethnic group (a nation) without a home-country has been treated by members of nation states for centuries.
Enleuk Aryan invasion has been debunked.
Wow you really are stupid.
Katara Me I didn't say that ancestor was Aryan. I'm talking about the Kurgan hypothesis, which has nothing to do with the Roma or the concept of nation-states anyway so I don't know what your problem is.
1:10....
yeah, I found that inappropriate too... everything else is great
@@katarinak.8354 cope
Borat will come for you
Wenn man nur von held*innen und sklav*innen redet fühle ich mich als Mann unterdrückt weil eig nur die weibliche Form genannt wurde !
Außerdem weißt euer Video einige geschichtliche Fehler auf, also nächste mal bitte bisschen besser recherchieren.