We NEED to discuss Suikoden Remaster and Eiyuden Chronicle
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- We NEED to talk about the Suikdoen and Eiyuden Chronicle situation.
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I love both and I'll be getting them, BUT if I had to choose one out of them, I'd go for Eiyuden. Love the author, not the company.
Same here. I invested in the Kickstart campaign cuz I loves Suikoden and want there to be more games like it. I've played the first two Suikoden games several times each so I won't be giving Konami my money for a touched up version of them. I very much look forward to Eiyuden Chronicle's release.
Came to say exactly this. I think this remake may be nothing more than a nostalgia cash grab with no real interest in reviving Suikoden.
@@seapeajones For sure. Konami saw the success of Eiyuden's Kickstarter campaign and big Yen signs popped up in their eyes. They are only doing this because Eiyuden Chronicle showed them there was still interest for Suikoden. If it weren't for that Konami would have let the series die forever unless there was a way to turn Suikoden into a pachinko machine. How far Konami has fallen since the glory days of the 90s.
I would get both but my eyes is on Eiyuden first...Would get that on release
Playing Suikoden 5 due to the remasters coming out and would love to see 5 remastered ((hey one can dream right lol)), but from what I heard the Eiyuden team is helping with the remasters as well?
Suikoden V to me is my second favorite Suikoden just after Suikoden 2.
SuikoV is just an excellent game.
@@SeventhheavenDK Honestly it had the most grounded villians like Sialeeds, Gizel and his father Marcel and I actually love all the Royal Knights. I really think they took a risk with 5's villians because they were not just evil jerks and all seemed to truly want what was best for their country, just went about it the wrong way and were Misguided. Story wise I think it is my favorite.
Eiyuden and Suikoden may be a same game genre, but they are not the same game.
The producers of the Suikoden I&II remaster stated that if this release is successful they would love to continue the series, so I hope every fan out there supports it so that we may get another remaster (or even a Suikoden 6?)
Yep, now if we can only see a new MGS game! .....
I will be buying suikoden over eiyuden all day. Eiyuden had its chance to deliver in 2022 like they promised and gave us bull sh** rising. Now konami is taking the glory I can't know there is a remastered suikoden and not buy it.
@@kaiser_1991 you're aware that Rising merely served as a companion game prior to the full game, which will be released this year, right? It was the final goal of their kickstarter and they reached it, so they produced that game in order to create a game based on that world, but it has little to do with the upcoming main game. They're totally different.
@VandalHeart26 obviously I'm aware of that. What I'm getting at is a goal that was reached said 2022 release date and rising was trash.
I dunno s6 even have same flavor is s2 & s3 ....more so it more reflected 4 & 5
For those people saying 3 is the last good suikoden. I challenge you play it now together with 5. Suikoden 3 age badly compare from what we remember on our childhood. Suikoden 5 is a master piece like suikoden 2.
Yep, 5 is my favorite by far.
I thought 3 sucked. 4 was OK, and 5 is a masterpiece which tops 2.
Yep, my top 1 spot always tied with Suikoden II and V!
3 was special.
I'll have to try V.
Hopefully it's on the PS5 store.
Zerase is the best character in V. She was so OP that she made the game easier if you kept her in party and gave her a Magic Absorb Rune. (Not to mention the magic formation where she could cast her giant meteor spell twice in a row)
a handful of people working on Eiyuden Chronicle are also working on Suikoden Remaster. Most of the people that left Konami didn't leave upset. Most of them just left upset that their creations were no longer being greenlit. There's not really a competition going on here.
Yeah, Murayama has said that he left Konami simply because he didn't want to stay in one place for too long and that he was on good terms with the company. Konami even made 2 more mainline Suikoden games without him.
Junko Kawano works both in Suikoden Remaster and Eiyuden
I'm excited about Eiyuden but also wish Konami would continue suikoden since the story's kinda not done yet.
That's great to hear
No new content, war, cooking (sui2) nor duel footage sucks, and clive's quest needs quality of life. It's the equivalent of Judge Judy's shiny shiny red truck ✨️. Some eiyuden footage is goofy too and the side scrollr bored me to tears.
Agreed, not a fan how they waited for the Kickstarter to be same year. I am more than happy to buy both games and hope both succeed. I been crying for these type of games to come back for years.
Suikoden has long left this world, and that's fine. It gave me 5 mainline titles and multiple spin offs. I really don't want Konami to have anything to do with it anymore. They've long abandoned their legacy. The best case scenario is the trademark lapses and a fan buys it for dirt cheap.
I love the suikoden series, and even suikoden is one of the reasons I majored in law at university. i will definitely buy eiyuuden, but i am very skeptical of suikoden remaster because, well we all know what& who &how konami is. (Forgive me for grammatical error, english ain't my 1st language 🙏🏼)
I'm buying both, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is the end of the road for Konami since they're just hyping the remaster up for a quick cash grab. Eiyuuden is my choice between the two if I had to choose only one!
Will get both. Will pay a few times over for Eiyuden cause I want to support them
Really hope they end up merging and Konami parts ways with Suikoden
It's not "funny" that they're coming out at the same time, it's intentional. Konami, which has a history of being incredibly spiteful to devs who refuse to bend the knee and break off (i.e. Hideo Kojima), is trying to murder this upstart of rebels while it's still in the cradle by releasing a product in direct competition of them. One that's banking entirely on nostalgia to draw suckers in, and which has a greater nostalgic value than Eiyuden Chronicles. Now, Konami doesn't have the creative minds to make new games anymore, but they do have enough tech know-how to give an old one a fresh coat of paint and sell it as a "new" and "remastered" product, so that's what they're going to do.
2:49 knowing Konami they probably would never have put out these remakes if not for chronicles, and it’s not because they saw how well the kickstarter was doing, based on how we have seen Konami act in the past they are hoping to crush chronicles because “”how dear these devs try anything like this”” we know how spiteful they can be we have seen it with Hideo Kojima and with both metal gear and silent hills, I’m under no illusions that this was done for the fans because Konami has shown time and again the type of character they have.
Ill get both but its a no brainer. Eiyuden has the original team to Suikoden. I was hoping that Rabbit Bear could possibly buy the rights of Suikoden some day to finish what they started (27 true runes man).
The only reason Konami is even touching it in 2022/2023 is because of the hype Rabbit Bear Studios got for Eiyuden; I remember the day we found out they BURIED SUIKODEN - #Suikoden 1995-2006. I watched an Interview with Konami and they already stated they don't want to continue the Suikoden story/Same World. They want to do something different (Like Tierkreis multi-world different each game ect) I will probably get that game too if it comes but I lost all hope of anything good... its not Bear Rabbit Studios, period.
I think the new Eiyuden series will takeover and be the next TRUE Suikoden game series. Suikoden IV and Tierkreis were both trash so I doubt Konami will do any better if they continue.
Despite all of this I am looking forward to the Suikoden 1 and 2 Remasters, hopefully 3 after wards and Ill be happy.
How could someone not love suikoden 5? That game is arguably the best in the series
Good devs are hard to come by, but i love it qhen they go out on their own and do what tripple A refuses to do.
@@DBFigGaming I hope Eiyuden Chronicle 100 Heros will the Start of a new Franchise...Rise was Fun too
I don't play AAA these days. Most of them are boring open world shooters or just interactive movies.
I’m a huge fan. Getting both and hoping for more
Buy both...so a chance for a Suikoden 6 are in reach.
And there was no bad blood. The Character Designer of Suikoden and Eiyuden chronicle, are remasterd the Artworks for the Remaster of Suikoden 1 /2
You loved Suikoden 3 and didn't like part 5 which is at least as good as 2? Wow...
I like the idea of having another Suikoden game so I went onto steam to find it. Turns out that Eiyuden Chronicle is already on my wishlist.
Not to be that guy, but it's pronounced Sweekoden and Ayuden.
I'll be getting both and hope for their success. There is not even the slightest doubt in my mind though that Konami never would have done this without Eiyuden's success, so Rabbit & Bear did the heavy lifting and took personal risk to demonstrate the demand and make it happen... so at this point they're the ones I really admire. I remember a Konami guy years ago who streamed Suikoden 1 and 2 trying to convince them to release them, and all they would do was release on PS3 store. But as fans this is the best of both worlds, we get to enjoy both the remasters and whole new series from the minds who created the originals!
I will gladly give my money to Konami for these remasters. Maybe one day they'll remaster the rest. So I'll be buying both.
It's really a win/win scenario.
Love for them kinda fell away? I don't know mate, I get the issues with 4 but 5? Many consider it a return to form and the 2nd best in the series. If you haven't given it a shot I recommend you do, it has a bit of a slow start but it's great.
Totally agree with this. I really hope for a SuikoV remaster
I agree, but if we do get remastered V, then I hope they will omit the atrocious loading times. Even though it's not as bad as in S3, it's still very bad. I hated the 5~15sec for every fight. (also war combat from 5 should be much more enjoyable with a mouse, compared to gamepad)
I just wanted to point out that although both games share inumerous similarities, they are not the same game. We have to wait and see if (and how) Eiyuden can stand on it's own.
really hoping these games and trails into reverie come out at different times cause otherwise its going to suck picking which one
It’s not the first time Konami have done this. They released the Castlevania Anniversary Collection about a month before Bloodstained was, also released the Cowabunga Collection about 2 months after Sherdder’s Revenge. I have lost all respect for Konami.
They don't care about fanbase, only money , which is fine but it would be nice if they throw a little something once in a while for die hard fans.
Suikoden V is the best one. Sorry to say. Suikoden I being a prototype is kind of bad. Suikoden II is good. Suikoden III is good but different. Suikoden IV is actually bad.
Eiyuden is good but not as good as Suikoden V.
Suikoden I and II creators now live in Eyuden. “ Love the author non the company “.
Eiyuden seems to be Suikoden 2 again, everything is very similar. I'm not a fan of 2, it's great but I think it's super overated, the bad guy is terrible and the hero duo is really annoying compared to 1.
Konami announcing Suikoden 1 and 2 remaster after the hype of Eiyuden Chronicles is just scummy. AND THEN THEY HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TRY AND STRONG ARM THE FANS WITH "If this doesn't sell well Suikoden is done for". Fuck that, I'll watch Konami and the Suikoden series burn before I give Konami any of my money.
Suikoden 2 Mold my childhood and it snowball from there...And eiyuden makes my Ass move on itself ...super excited 😘😘😘
They almost certainly greenlit a remaster BECAUSE Eiyuden's kickstarted did so well. My impossible dream? Both do amazing and Konami greenlights Suikoden 6 and outsources its development to Rabbit and Bear.
I will like and sub to future videos if you promise to not block the entire screen with the same 5 cartoon avatar expressions. Please put it in the corner. It was worse than my girlfriend standing in front of the TV or the cat walking across the tv stand. I was literally shooing you the entire video so i could see the gameplay.
Also wanted to add that to give honest criticism. Yes, im aware of "v-tubers" and yes im an old millenial/gen-x er so i get its a thing, But they typically take up a small corner of the screen or a split second in transitions, not take up paragraphs of script while blocking 50% of the gameplay. I can't be the only one who was annoyed enough to get the laptop out and find the video and comment. Other than that content was great and I wish you luck on future suikoden videos!
Suikoden 1 is my favorite JRPG... I will buy the remake. While I did not have money for the kick starter.. i'll definetly buy Eiyuden Chronicle.
I love both, I've followed the main series of Suikoden (1-5) also kind of looked at the offshoots that gave more perspective between 2-3 (the ones following minor characters like Miklotov)
I love Suikoden 3 as my favorite, they did well enough with the animation, the battle system was a little choppy though but I would assume it took a lot of resources to polish... and that is why they resorted back to Suikoden V style, 4 had a nice story, but had a lot of issues like choppiness and strange animation. I think that is the reason why everything didn't look as well as it could have, even for a PS2 game. If they can finish the 27 runes story, eventually though, lol.
This will allow the people who can't get the physical CD for 1 and 2 because those CD fetches a high price because of how limited it was. That would allow new fans to at least get a taste of the game will turning to other methods of playing them. If it becomes a success, it would at least revive the series so that we can get the story to conclude.
‘I think it became the number 1 most funded kickstarter’ actually number 3.. Shenmue 3, and Bloodstained had a higher backing.
Nevertheless I am also a back of Eiyuden and my hype grows with every update email they send, love their focus and approach to world building.
P.S the highest crowdfunded video game and one of the highest-funded crowdfunding projects overall, having raised over US$500 million is an upcoming game called Star Citizen, just for anyone interested in knowing lol.
I'll buy both, because I love RPGs in general...but I have good expectations in Suikoden remaster just cause is coming to PC steam ...that means... possible modding world some time after... Which can make the game even better years later 😌
Haha, I wish I would have known they were planning on doing a remaster. I dropped almost 400 dollars for the 1st and 2nd games. Oh well, I probably would have done it anyway. The only one I'm missing is the ds Suikoden game I have 1-5 plus tactics.
I think Konami just trying to ride the trend wave of the original suikoden team's new project.
Even if they work on new suikoden I believe it would just end up like the PSP game, unless they pull rabbit and bear studio to work on the game which is unlikely.
Overall not that hopeful for Konami and wish the new series success.
Your logic is so muddy and unclear. Say they're the same franchise, cuz Eiyuden ("AU den") Chronicles being "the same game" as Suikoden ("swee- co den") 2 would be a disastrous disappointment.
Guys guys guys. Stop bishing in the comment section. This is the official.
2>1>5>3>tactic>4.
Arguably 5 and 3 spots could be interchangeable in the sense that 3rd is better in the sense that we got a rather continuation of the first 2. While 5 is superiorly done compared to 3 but its so far away in years to the first 2 its basically a different game in the same world.
Now for the suikoden fans oath.
Lets all promise to shun anyone who has 4 as favourite.
AND shun even more those that manage to play the tierkreis and the suikoden novel 1 and 2 game. Lucky bastard.
Amen.
it's not a funny situation though. Both the creators and fans of Suikoden pushed for decades for a new Suikoden, and Konami just outright ignored all of us. So, fed up, Murayama and co. made Rabbit and Bear to create a spiritual successor to Suikoden, that's what Eiyuden is. Now, after seeing what a huge success the kickstarter for Eiyuden was, Konami are putting out the Suikoden remasters for one reason only; to spite Rabbit and Bear. I mean, I'm happy that Konami are finally doing something with the Suikoden IP, but come on.
A lot of the Suikoden community keep saying things like "just shut up and be happy that we're getting something", but I'm struggling to be excited for a remaster that, despite how amazing it looks, they're just rushing out the gate purely for the sake of conflicting with the release of Eiyuden.
I love Suikoden but I don't like Konami...not anymore ever since they abandoned Suikoden. It just seems sus that they are riding the coattails of Eiyuden's kickstarter success. I love Suikoden with all my heart and it will always be something I'll cherish so will definitely support both games but not Konami entirely. If Konami delivers a Suiko 6, then I'll definitely forgive them but remasters are not enough for me to fully support them :D
So if Suikoden does not do well they will not make another one BUT they release it same year and maybe same Month as Eiduyen so they are making their own grave eventually.
Its not just a Dick move to do so but also Stupid.
i will probably buy both but i dont have hope that it will do so well, its still an old game its not like Resident Evil 2 Remake, where everything is modernized and completely reworked.
I want both games to succeed but i dont have too much Hope. we will see and hope for the best tho :)
Its a tactical move on Konami's part, but it feels like a subtle passive aggressive statement to not continue the series IF it doesn't do well is kind of lame (Maybe that's why the Original Team left Konami to form R&B)
A classic will always be that, great, but RPGs can only be played a few times before reaching a point where we move on as we've already saved the game and became Omnipotent in levels/skills/collections.
I've played Suikoden to death, and its time to move onto something new which is Eiyuden Chronicles.
Rabbit & Bear just need to make it damn good, release EC AFTER the Konami remakes because everyone knows Suikoden 1 & 2 already, cause we old timers went through its magic which is perfect at that time.
R&B have the advantage, new tech and updates (Can we say future add on missions/characters to further develop what we think is an already finished story like Valkyrie Chronicles with its DLCs before and EC2?)
Sooo excited for Eiyuden chronicles!! 😍 Although I still will buy the remastered suikoden 1 and 2. I love the game so much that even though I'm pissed with konami I still will buy it. 😅
Seriously they only remastered the OG suikoden because Eiyuedn Chronicles is coming out ! Where's the 6th Game Konami?! Stop the Panchinko gig and comeback making games
Fantastic Video! Guess I should Hold off buying Suikodoen 2 for the PS1 for 400 bucks and just get a PS5 lol. The only thing I wish that Rabit and Bear did for the new game (Heck all remasters) is Add full Anime style 2D characters. No need for pixel art of the Past! Still glad this is coming out though and can't wait to try it!
Eiyuden Chronicles may be the NEW Xenoblade Chronicles and I couldn’t be more excited at the thought of a new JRPG built off a classic. Xenoblade is built from Xenosaga. Eiyuden is built from Suikoden.
Suikoden was done years ago, Konami is just being a greedy business, those people left konami after begging for a greenlight to do a new suikoden game and Konami refused.
i love 1 and 2, but i refuse to support konami because they're trying to kill Eiyuden Chronicle, the ONLY reason konami is releasing the remaster is because of the overwhelming support Eiyuden Chronicle got.
they're just greedy, they dont want to see Eiyuden Chronicle succeed because it would be a major loss for them and proof they don't know the player base
I didn't knouw about Eiyuden Chronicles, that should be interesting. I've been super excited about the Suikoden renaster because I've only played the 3rd installment.
The only good thing with remaster is just introducing great game to people who never played it. But i always hate remaster like this. Its lazy, its money grabber, its expensive. Like monster rancher 1 and 2 remaster for 50usd. Shiet, i can buy dmc5, the witcher 3 and nier automata with that price. Idk if suikoden 1 and 2 remaster money will go to the writer etc as well but i like new things better than this remaster nonsense. At least make it remake like ff7.
It felt a bit akward when the Suikoden remaster was announced after Eiyuuden showed up its true potential. I mean.. Suikoden-fans where begging on their knees for years for a revival of the Series to Konami. And Konami is now like "Oh there is a similar Game showing success!? Ok, lets revive the Series and squeeze Money out of it!".. Anyway... 2023 will be an empty-wallet year in Terms of really good games
I don't trust Konami they don't really give a damn about making games anymore. Only reason they green lit a remaster was because of EC Kickstarter doing so well. I bet the remaster. Budget is very small. Even if Suikoden sells would have to be unbelievable for Konami to green light a low budget. New game which I doubt. Does konami even have talent to make a new game?
Well it's kinda obvious that Konami started the HD remaster thing when they saw how successful Capcom's(and other publisher's) remasters and remakes were they also decided to go for it in the hopes they can get themselves a piece of the nostalgia money pie.
And obviously instead of outright going for a risky remake they opted out for the safer and less costly HD remaster.
Well we're in luck then because alot of people are going to pick up the remaster so I doubt it doesn't do well, so hopefully Konami will make Suikoden 6 one day as they will clearly see there is still alot of interest for these types of games, Bloodstained from Castlevania proved this, maybe Konami and the new developers (the people that left Konami to make Eiyuden Chronicle) can get together and give us Suikoden 6 or maybe a hybrid of them both!
Konami is just fcked up, Metal Gear, Castlevania and Suikoden the new head or decision maker for Konami is just destroying the company as whoever he she is is fucked up seriously.
Eiyuden seems nice and everything but it isn't Suikoden, if I have to choose one (which I probably do), I would definitely get the Suikoden remaster, Suikoden 2 is one of my most favorite games ever.
There is a rumor that Eiyuden Chronicle is going to have difficulty setting. If that is true then RPG leveling system is dead, I have already done other rpgs with difficulty settings and its horrible.
Don't you dare try to bring up FF7R that will be a string again the debate. I tried to farm up some levels plus levels had very little effect. It has other so called RPGs with difficulty setting with no effect or too much effect. There is no reason to have difficulty and character levels in the same game.
My problem with Konami holding the Suikoden series hostage based on the sales of the remaster is that Capcom did the same with Megaman 11. 4 years later, we still don't have anything close to X9 or Legends 3.
It's better to support Eiyuden Chronicles as with that game we're going to get what we're being waiting for.
With Suikoden only the remaster versions can be good, but any new thing is going to probably suck.
I'm very torn on what I'd want to do. I want to support both, but I don't want to support Konami's BS so I'll probably abstain from Suikoden.
Getting both. Highly doubt Eiyuden will have a villain the likes of Luca Blight. Hope I'm completely wrong though
In my opinion, Konami is just trying to get whatever money left by releasing remastered around the same time. They probably regret not greenlit to make suikoden again after eiyuden become #1 game funded in Kickstarter. So they ride the hype of eiyuden release to get some more money out of the remastered. Because if they really want to keep the series going again, they should remake it or make a new game with the old devs. Not remaster it. That's my opinion.
3:10 they did not essentially say that.
This dude doesn't even know what is he talking about.
murayama left after his contract ends and wasn't because konami did not revive the series.
miki higashino went freelance and did not join eiyuden team, junko taking part in suiko 1 & 2 remaster.
you make it sounds like konami and eiyuden team have a beef.
That's the history and true color of Konami-- remember Kojima? MGS was lit, but you know Konami tends to be a villain for gamers
Similar situation with dead space remake and calisto protocol. Both too will be released close to each other. Anyway I will be getting both suikoden remaster and eiyuden chronicles.
Just another example KONAMI being jerk and half hearted to revive Suikoden franchise.
I wish they had at least touched up the original sprites a bit... the raw PS1 pixels just look jarring and stick out like a sore thumb against the new improved backgrounds of the remaster, regardless of the charm they had in the original release.
I'm curious as to what the resolution gap is between the Suikoden character sprites and the ones from Eiyuden.
Excited for both but konami remastering 2 first suikoden after E chronicle got hyped up is definitely a cheap move.
Let’s be clear- Eiyuden and Suikoden are NOT the same. They’re similar at best. You need to work on your wording
both are already wish listed on steam and will be picked up day one of release with no hesitation. I still have my original copies of suikoden 1 and 2 on ps and play them often. may not like how Konami has handled things that's neither here nor there. side note eiyuden rising is a great little side game =)
I loved playing these games growing up so i m super excited to see them available again.
also its Su-ee-koh-dehn not suey-ko-den
Great video, but for the love of God, if you're a content creator, please take 30 seconds to figure out how to pronounce the name of the game or person you are talking about!
Suikoden 1, 2, 5 are basically the same game honestly. 2 is just better. Same thing over and over.
Gotta admit: that Maniac remix is kinda fire.
I never liked the song very much before hearing this version.
Konami loves money of course they want a sure way to have money like pachinkos, remasters/remakes and yugioh cards.
I'm going to be honest I don't care about the remaster I might get it just because of what game it is but I can care less if it does good or bad I'm all about the guys making the new game they should have let them do that from the beginning
Good gosh. Pronounce it right please. Suhcowden? Ayuden Chronicle? Kanami?
Welp we all know how Konami is but I'll still buy the remaster to show love for the creators of Suikoden I and II.
Because let's say if they do another one if the remastered is it's going to be trash because the original people won't be making it
Urghh I want for suikoden 6 not another side story tbh. I curious how the war ended up because at suikoden 3 it is the start of big war
Every Suikoden fan will buy both games. No need to decide with which story u go.
suikoden already done may years ago anyway, they are saying that if the remaster is not selling good it will be done is a marketing way to get us buying, lol disgusting
Funny, also, but strategic. I think Konami did it do that Eiyuden does poorly.
Nowa does look like they merged the main characters of Suikoden 1 & 2 together. lol
I’m soooooo hyped ! I loved suikoden 1 & 2 . And I’ll be getting both games !!
Suikoden 4 needs a redo badly. I would support a complete remake that is competent.
Suikoden fans assemble. But honestly i think Konami was just made Eiyuden was succesfull lol
I love both but I will choose Eiyuden vs Suikoden remaster if i can only pick one
Love suikoden 1, 2 & 5. Going to get both Eiyuuden & the remaster. 😄
shenmue 3 was the biggest project founded on kickstarter tho, that was an easy search on the ks website...
I love this! Can't wait, been wanting this to come back for so long.
I'll never forget the day I saw a red double disk set peaking out from under some crap in my friends room oh so many years ago. Suikoden here i come.
I hadn't even heard of Eiyuden Chronicles, so thank you for bringing it to my attention. I'll be keeping an eye out for it!
i just gotta say 3 is like the worst one the strategy part was just a random battle you had no control over
Its the same game??? Thats a plus point really. What to complaint about. Lol
Short answer: No they aren't the same game.
Long answer: No they aren't the same game.
I cannot continue hearing SOOKOWDEN 😤😤😤
...There's a Suikoden Remaster coming out?