Looking forward for the rest of your suikoden character's ranking. Keep up the good work! I love hearing the comparison and analyses of their strength & weaknesses. It was so much fun especially when there are plenty of party members.
Hey thank you this is one of my favorite game. So many memories went back and I totally agree with the tier list. As far as I can remember my end game was Hero,Mcdohl,Flik,Viktor,Luc and Shiro
Trying to remember, but I know I made it a point to bring Hix and Tengaar along, plus Kasumi. I feel like I'm due for a replay, but might try a lower-tier build (monsters? Viki? hmmm). Because Flik and Victor were required in Suikoden 1 (in the front row!), I know I made it a point to use them as little as possible. Great video. I forgot about half of these characters!
I always love seeing Suikoden content! This is useful as I've only played 2 once, when it came out on the PSN. Are you planning on doing the other 3 games? I would especially like to see one on S3.
This is the best Suikoden 2 analysis I have known so far. Your objectivity in evaluating the characters is just on point, mate. I do not always go with the strongest characters, though. I always pick the best looking (Flik, Camus, Miklotov, Lorelai, Sierra, Rina) and the ones with the coolest looks (Killey, Clive, Pesmerga)
Hero - Shield, Mother Earth, Double Beat Victor - Double Beat, Fury (Rage on weapon) Flick - Double beat, Thunder Rune Killey - Double Beat, Double Strike, Fury Runes Sheena - Double Beat, Double Strike, Fury Runes Luc - Cyclone, Flowing, -doesnt matter This is extremely OP but if your having a hard time beating the end game boss then you can't lose with this set up 👍
@@SeventhheavenDK Yes it's definitely a boring end game party that can smoke the main boss easily....but it definitely isn't worth the time to grind to get the runes for this setup. It makes the game way too easy.
Poor Tuta , I have set him up to be auto regening with mega medicines and mother earth on his weapon and the flowing rune , only because I like to create unique rune combinations on every character
The characters in the tier list is ONLY the characters you can use in battle.. there are also characters that you use in war (strategy mode) and there are characters who opened up shop & minigames in your base
cheers for even attempting this ^^ some things i wanna address though: command runes and unites (as well as magic) suck compared to auto-attacking in Suikoden 2, not only because they are slower to use but also because you don't get multi-attacks, (regular) critical hits, and iirc they don't factor in weapon runes (rage/thunder runes being an additional 50% elemental damage per normal attack) - Gantetsu is not low tier, one of the few characters w/ 3 rune slots, the worst one of them but still top 10 material - Kinnison isn't low tier, he's really good and 1 of the best 2-slot characters - same goes for Tsai - Millie isn't low tier, one of the weaker 2-slotters but any character that has 2 rune slots is automatically top half of the roster - Nina, 2 slots, solid - Ayda is NOT lower mid, one of the very best 2-slot characters, top 15 - same goes for Futch, almost as good as Ayda - Sierra is not lower mid, 2 rune slots, solid - Lorelei is not #31, top 15 - Hai Yo is not #24, he's the weakest of the top 6 but he's still top 6 if Luc isn't used w/ the kindness rune glitch (= giving him 999 ATK, making him the best character) - none of the 1-slot characters is anywhere close to top tier, Georg being the best but still can't compete w/ the top 15 - defense stats aren't relevant, a decent party will kill enemies in 1 turn, before they even act
The thing about 3 Slot characters is that yes, they usually have a higher damage cap as well as slightly more utillity if they're fully kitted out. However that's only if you bother to kit them out. The first Double-Strike and Double-Beat runes are free so you'll always have one ace - which is incidentlly as many as you need. If you want redundant damage, well then have farming a 2% drop rate. Clives and Viktors, and Valeria's, etc, are all high tier characters because they do their jobs effectively with almost no investment at all.
@@trinketmage8145 since this is a tier list, the relevant thing is what characters are capable of doing at their max potential do you NEED a full party of 3-slot characters? absolutely not, even a party of 6 2-slot characters is overkill (3 fast ones might be enough to 1-turn the majority of battles) but still, a character like Ayda (2 slots, and good stats to get the most out of multi-hitting w/ a decent crit chance) will always be a better party member than Valeria (using her command rune), if you set her up appropriately, same goes for other 2-slot characters w/ similar potential (Kinnison, Futch, Lorelei, ...), there's a good number to choose from too Double Beat and Double Strike runes are not that hard to get, you only need 6 of each (i like to get more though, to make switching between characters easier) Fury Runes are a bit harder to get, but you only really need one for each 3-slot character you plan on having in your party grinding Rage / Thunder runes to put into weapon slots is optional, i'd only bother when planning to down the harder bosses in 1 turn w/ non-top-tier characters Suikoden 2 really is as simple as that: a little bit of grinding, then speed though all battles by auto-attacking your way to victory ^^
@@IczR1 I guess the first sentence is where we disagree then. The Valeria VS Ayda argument contextualizes perfectly. With Ayda, you need to go out of your way multiple time to even recruit her, let alone equip her, so her maximum potential is gatekept by tedium. With Valeria you get the choice between her and Kasumi at very close to their full power for free. At a leisurely pace the game takes what, 20 hours to complete? And farming for a 2% drop can take two hours, or a whopping 10% of that. What's even the point of spending two hours farmining if your big dick number chracters and hot tiddy comand rune users are already steamrolling everything?
@@IczR1 Suppose there was a hypothetical character that always went first, and always dealt a bajillion damage to every enemy on screen. Now suppuse to recruit this character you first needed every other character to reach level 99. Would she be God tier or trash?
@@trinketmage8145 thing is, a character like Ayda would already be better than a command rune user the moment you give them a Double Beat rune + a common elemental rune in the weapon slot, because multi-hits and crits are a thing, esp. w/ above average stats, and there's bonus elemental damage every hit Double Beat runes you pretty much get during the first hour of the game, and you fight 6 of the enemy that drop it at a time, so the chance of getting one per fight (which is quick) is much higher than 2% and elemental runes to put in the weapon are common, doesn't have to be Rage / Thunder runes, common ones still add 25% damage per hit Double Strike runes can be farmed in Kobold Forest, still pretty early, and probably less work for the majority of people than recruiting all the kobolds ^^ (which is much less beneficial too) all that is NO comparison to the hypothetical example you gave ^^ there actually is a character like that, somewhat, Luc, who would hypothetically be the best character if you abuse a glitch w/ the Kindness rune (making his ATK 999), but this needs to be maintained and is a bit of work so i'd put him as a wildcard (like i would an extremely skill-based character w/ potential that not many people could tap into), and would at least mention this when doing a tier list, because, believe it or not, some people WOULD try and do this ^^ fully exploring a game you love w/ all it's mechanics is not a bad thing, i'd actually encourage people to try everything out for themselves, at the end of the day it gives you more options to enjoy the game Ayda is easy to get iyam, and why wouldn't you recruit her, getting all 108 stars is a major draw of the game, gotta catch them all! plus she comes w/ Feather, 2 in 1 go! and it doesn't need to be Ayda specifically, like i said there's a sizable number of good characters to choose from, e.g. Kinnison, or Eilie and Rina, who you get easily and super-early Valeria or Kasumi is actually a tough choice iyam, half of the players might not even choose Valeria (i didn't until my 2nd run) and i'd say the game is more about 50h long at a leisurely pace, Suikoden 1 is close to 20h, maybe you're thinking of that?
Now that its out and receiving mostly positive reviews, would you consider doing a who is best for Cristales? The dynamics of some of the characters in this game are WILD .
I remember having flik in my end game team for Suikoden 2 when I first played it. (Granted I didn't get all of the characters) so I'm planning on going through it again with the save data of Suikoden before I go again.
I’m ashamed to say I’m seeing some of these characters for the very first time 😂 didn’t know a lot of them even existed. One of the best games though. Loved it. Still have it stashed away somewhere at home.
Nanami with double attack rune and fury rune is by far the best character in game to me. It can attack up to 6 times with insane power, often ending the battle herself in one turn.
Like when there are so many awesome characters and u just have 6 spots on the party :v . BTW cant wait to try out Eiyuden Hundred Heroes, we are almost theeere just 5 days left 🤩
Hopefully there will be good people who modify this game, I really hope there is a NEWGAME+ Because RPG games are not only about fighting the final boss, or the ultimate weapon, but you have to keep on playing them, even if you only get an achievement, I really hope that NEWGAME+
Good list but I think for Casters you missed affinities. So Millie is a great mage for example as she has 40% more damage with Fire and Lightning. Rina on the other hand has only normal damage for all of the damaging spell runes. For physical attackers 3 open rune slots is just better than 2 so I think you overvalued many physical attackers with good stat growth as they'll get outclassed damagewise.
Yeah, Sheena and Kahn are two characters that I was surprised at ranking them lower. They both have three rune slots and even Kahn with the Double Beat/Strike Fury combo is going to hit harder than a lot of other characters and has about the same str as Chaco.
@@equipbasicsword Kahn can hit hard, yes, but he can't hit often. That is because his fixed weapon rune lowers his hit% by 15% which hurts him quite a bit and I'd rather build any other 3 slot character.
@@jm2270 My point was more that he has three rune slots, so I would pick him over Viktor for example. Characters with three rune slots just have a natural advantage over those who don't at least when it comes down to the physical runes.
@@mattstorage7805 There's still characters like Mazus and Luc who are better. Millie is definitely A tier though but you wouldn't know it if you didn't know about affinities. I don't think the ranking was out of malice.
Soon we can all enjoy the HD remaster and do it all over again :D great list btw. Only issue I have is the fact that both kasumi and valeria are hot af so I can never decide....whyyyyy????? xD
My end game team have all the tiers 😅😅😅 Hero, Flik, Camus, Miklotov (These 4 are always in the party) Stallion (due to his fixed rune) The last one is a variety of people e.g Kinnison, Clive, Meg, Rina, Millie, Simone or Tengaar
My end party so simple. Rikimaru+Amada unite attack Kinnison+Shiro unite attack Hero (focus on support so i attached water and eart rune) Luc (focus on attack rune so i attached fire, lighting and wind)
I just finished the game again yesterday after so many years. Camus, Georg, Hix, Tengaar and McDohl was my party at the end. I didn't use rune attacks by the end because I liked seeing the high attack damage from having friendship, fury and double beat runes lol.
I used Bob recently for a play through. Never knew he had an affinity for the darkness rune. Slapped that on him and he became an effective back row magic user
George Prime my absolute favourite suikoden character . He is probably by far the best melee fighter who ever existed in suikoden history. But although absloutely op in melee his cryptonite is magic which makes him so balanced after all.
Yes, 100% AGREE to the top Stars of the game--technically Tir a "bonus" cameo character...but I DO agree, his stats are basically just like Killey's if unlocked (and if you have the best gear equipped from S1, since it will reflect in S2) But yeah, Killey and Sheena are the absolute GOD tiers (with Riou of course) because what makes the first 2 games great: Character Customization. Killey and Sheena are pretty much the No.2 and 3 next to No.1 Riou basically. They just have the best stats, all slots can be obtained (except for B.Shield on Riou), better if you grind the hell outta them with the Fortune Rune, and their RNG crit-rate is gonna be nasty! Especially when setup with the Fury-D.Strike-D.Beat Runes on those 2 killers in party. They can easily plow through L'Renouille without breaking a sweat.
Personally my end game party is flick, miklotov, camus, Riou (hero), mcdohl, and mazus. But I have also substituted miklotov for Oulan with fury rune on occasion. Either party never fails
Oh definitely you should probably take him and Luc but I like Luc so I might be biased but throw on the blue gate rune and his pale palace cleans house
@@jonmcknight18. Luc in Greenhill is so unnecessary, he only makes the area more tedious. It's easier to just hit the auto battle button to clear the mobs than to wait Luc's animation to finish in every battle.
Its actually kinda crazy how op the hero is in the game. It was so fun playung this game the first time and feeling like my main charecter was unstoppable
- Nina is one of my favourite character in Suikoden 2, tbh (also with Sierra and Karen) - Sierra could be put in back row and focus on her rune - I give Karen earth-based rune and combining with her own rune
surprisingly for me , the best character if we include glitch , is Rina , when she joins at level 19 , we can bring her to matilda to get 3 rune slots , then when kobold has been unlocked , we can get double beat , double strike , and fury on her , with kindness rune minus affection get her to 999 attack (kill her 10 times with fire lizard) she can solo every boss starting from our first castle , minus the double strike rune every first time characters you recruit before fall of muse can get to lv 80 and every lv 20-29 character after that can get to level 64-68 before we recruit matilda knights
@@locloudanerpgtbh im amazed you can make this vid without knowing the glitch 😂 i even know that glitch in my first gameplay where internet wasnt that common. Just by my rpg instinct No wonder mostly i disagree with the list. In the video you said phys wins over magic but you put mages that has locked runeslot in the high tier 😅 Edit: oh btw, all the animal chars are great early game. Shiro for example. Their natural STR are high. In the late game tho, they are trash simply because they dont have weapons. No extra STR and no weapon rune. It means alot if you can deal 7k (crit) per hit (means 3,5k extra dmg) Since this is an old video, i really appreciate the content but maybeeee try to understand the game better since you are making tier list based on their usefulness
I usually go with Riou with Blue Gate, Viktor with Killer Rune and Double Beat Rune, Flik Thunder Rune and Rage Rune, Tir or Kahn with Resurrection and Rage Rune, Rina with Flowing and Mother Earth Rune and Luc with Cyclone Rune & Blue Gate Rune
Viktor is God Tier until late game when he really starts to fall flat stat wise. Suikoden 1 he was not that great. He had horrible accuracy and is really unusuable without the clone rune. I hated being forced to use him since I then had to choose between Pesmerga and others for my 3rd frontliner.
I feel like giving bonus points to useful characters in war battles should be included in this list. Some of the characters who are in the lower tiers could easily be elevated because of what they can do in the war battles.
if i want to have a "broken strong op" team at the end, i always go for Anita and Valeria. the falcon runes are just to good. doing double damage is the same as using double beat. with the benefit of not being counter able. (+ getting countered while using double beat is the worst that can happen... especially in the Luca fight) not to mention the falcon crit multiplier (x5) that outpaces the missing 3rd runeslot.
Most of these are spot on but Zamza with fire sealing on should at least be upper mid tier, the double damage and unlimited rune use for first half of game is pretty stout.
Ah, the age-old debate among Suikoden II fans! 🌟 Crafting a tier list is always a challenge with such a diverse cast of characters, each with their own strengths and quirks. I'd love to hear your thoughts on who tops the list and why. It's the unique strategies and personal experiences that make these discussions so enriching. Let's dive into the analysis and celebrate the depth of Suikoden II's roster! 🎮🏆
I always go with Nina and Flik to the final battle because their combo attack is one of the best in the game xD (also, she has a very good defense. At least she never dies when is in my party) Luc tho... he dies very quickly. I like his powers (and him hahaha), but it's very difficult to place and to use (he's a mage, but he is uppfront, so you have to choose between making him use magic all the time or just die xD!) My final team is always: Riou, Tir, Flik, Camus, Miklotov and Nina. That way I can use all of their combos (4 in total, using Nina-Flik when Miklotov is unbalance and viceversa) and their runes (I find Camus' rune one of the best :_D)
Luc is useless for physical Attacks. You can just let him defend and do nothing. But he shines in boss fights with his powerful magic. Put him in the back and wait until boss fights.
My end game for suiko 2 is hero, flik, Victor, rina, eilie, and the last spot changes around. Wakaba usually, but sometimes tengaar if I want another magic user.
@@SpanishFly120 I had never tried using Killey til the last time I played, and he is really good. But I cant help but stick to the same party mostly. I get attached.
Front line: George, humphry, Persmaga? Back row: hero, usually two mages( usually Tengar and one other.). It's been so long since I made it to end game it's hard to remember lol.
Werewolf Bob with Double Beat Rune, Fury Rune, and Exertion Weapon rune is a force to be reckoned with but I guess anyone would be. Maybe I just like having a werewolf teammate with health regen.
My End Game Team ,Front row : Georg Prime,Viktor,Pesmerga And In The Back Row Is : Riou,Mazus,Killey That strong enough Just Use Double Strike To Georg,Viktor With Fury and Double Beat,Pesmerga With Double Beat its very strong enough
For me; All playable characters units are the best as long as they got extra rune slot for *Double Beat Rune* ; This Rune is the farmable in early game as well
Yeah,, as a player on early game, i’m patiently farm Double Beat Rune at North Sparrow Pass, it takes 2 hours to collect (at least 5 Double Beat Rune) from Rabbit opponent’s
Personally I'd bump up Tsai to low mid tier. Early game he's at least as solid as most of your other options, but unlike most he also unlocks a second rune slot as low as level 20.
Honestly all the characters -except Tuta- are useable. Between Unite attacks, Rune options, and gear, most characters can be built into something decent. Some are better than others and oddly I appreciate that. The fact that Tuta is so bad makes him unique in a weird way.
The squirels deserve a higher tier... Crazy strong at high leves, fast and their unite atack can one shot bosses. Kinda funny making Luca Blight flying away from battle
Me again. Well... Georg Prime, OMG! There is a powerfully tanker/damager. He is like that movie guy more stronger than the main hero what have much large battle experience but came to help on final scene just for hero do the final strike on villain. Sorry for my english
Victor, Sheena, Eillie, Nanami, Shiro and Luc were my favorite characters. Victor, Sheena and Luc don't need an explanation. We all know why they are there. I know Shiro is not that strong, but I love him. He opens all the runes really soon, and since you don't have to buy him weapons and sharp them, you can save a lot of money to spend it on other characters. Eillie is a mediocre wizard, but I love her interactions with the main character. So I bring her just for fun.
I usually just use my fave character since riou is the most useful one anyways XD. I usually pick Killey, Sierra, Shiro and Valeria since they are my fave but good to know they're not on shit tier. I'm surprised Killey can be op. I just liked him because of his design.
Oh, well. I will still using Kinnison because I liked him coupled with shiro. I agree as Riou (hero) is on top of them all. Jack of all trades never be this good.
I gotta disagree the Badeuax placement. He's not great, but Badeuax plus two beasts plus is a pretty easy way to phase one of Luca Blight's phases. Sasuke's unite attack with Futch and Luc is surprisingly great at deleting random encounters.
Stallion should be in the highest tier, since having him in your party lets you walk at double speed on the world map.
Also with a spark rune, even the slowest party members such as Humphrey get to act before the enemy.
Didn't know this. Thanks 👍
one more, you can "RUN" from every enemy you meet. never fail
@@bosskeke4282 and Stallion also comes with a unlimited use escape talisman, which is handy.
I agree. Once I recruited him in both games he pretty much never left my party,
Looking forward for the rest of your suikoden character's ranking. Keep up the good work! I love hearing the comparison and analyses of their strength & weaknesses. It was so much fun especially when there are plenty of party members.
Hey thank you this is one of my favorite game. So many memories went back and I totally agree with the tier list. As far as I can remember my end game was Hero,Mcdohl,Flik,Viktor,Luc and Shiro
I played Suikoden 2 as a kid and this video took me down memory lane! I remembered a lot of the characters and that I loved Chaco and Luc!
Oh man... I just wish this was an hour long. Suikoden 2 is my favorite RPG all-time, i could watch this all day...
Same. Suikoden is my beginning of my life, mention it now can makes me cry.😢
Really good list. Agree with almost every selection.
Hell yeah nice to see some suikoden 2 content in 2021
Nice list! I always use Flik, Millie and Valeria. The other two slot always change like Kahn/Wakaba/Tengaar/Anita.
This is one of my Favorites! Truly a GEM!
Trying to remember, but I know I made it a point to bring Hix and Tengaar along, plus Kasumi. I feel like I'm due for a replay, but might try a lower-tier build (monsters? Viki? hmmm). Because Flik and Victor were required in Suikoden 1 (in the front row!), I know I made it a point to use them as little as possible.
Great video. I forgot about half of these characters!
I always love seeing Suikoden content! This is useful as I've only played 2 once, when it came out on the PSN.
Are you planning on doing the other 3 games? I would especially like to see one on S3.
Eventually yes. But these lists are insane.
@@locloudanerpg Great to hear! These Suikoden lists must take lots of time and effort so I can definitely be patient. I appreciate the reply!
@@locloudanerpg where would you rank jowy if you hack him back into the party?
@@finallife87 Top tier probably
Great video!! I'm surprised Tai Ho was so low. I used him a lot because he was a returning character from the first game and thought he was cool.
This is the best Suikoden 2 analysis I have known so far. Your objectivity in evaluating the characters is just on point, mate. I do not always go with the strongest characters, though. I always pick the best looking (Flik, Camus, Miklotov, Lorelai, Sierra, Rina) and the ones with the coolest looks (Killey, Clive, Pesmerga)
Me and you.
We are now friends.
Hero - Shield, Mother Earth, Double Beat
Victor - Double Beat, Fury (Rage on weapon)
Flick - Double beat, Thunder Rune
Killey - Double Beat, Double Strike, Fury Runes
Sheena - Double Beat, Double Strike, Fury Runes
Luc - Cyclone, Flowing, -doesnt matter
This is extremely OP but if your having a hard time beating the end game boss then you can't lose with this set up 👍
That's the same setup I had with Victor, along with trinkets to buff his strength. Dude was such a powerhouse
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@@SeventhheavenDK Yes it's definitely a boring end game party that can smoke the main boss easily....but it definitely isn't worth the time to grind to get the runes for this setup. It makes the game way too easy.
Poor Tuta , I have set him up to be auto regening with mega medicines and mother earth on his weapon and the flowing rune , only because I like to create unique rune combinations on every character
great video !
Killey, Hai Yo, Chaco, Sid, and Sheena with double beat, double strike and fury rune 🔥🔥🔥
Sheena is so annoying, he can stay in the bench forever even if he has 3 rune slots.
I have never played this game. That is an insane number of characters. We appreciate all of the hard work you put into these videos.
The characters in the tier list is ONLY the characters you can use in battle.. there are also characters that you use in war (strategy mode) and there are characters who opened up shop & minigames in your base
cheers for even attempting this ^^
some things i wanna address though:
command runes and unites (as well as magic) suck compared to auto-attacking in Suikoden 2, not only because they are slower to use but also because you don't get multi-attacks, (regular) critical hits, and iirc they don't factor in weapon runes (rage/thunder runes being an additional 50% elemental damage per normal attack)
- Gantetsu is not low tier, one of the few characters w/ 3 rune slots, the worst one of them but still top 10 material
- Kinnison isn't low tier, he's really good and 1 of the best 2-slot characters
- same goes for Tsai
- Millie isn't low tier, one of the weaker 2-slotters but any character that has 2 rune slots is automatically top half of the roster
- Nina, 2 slots, solid
- Ayda is NOT lower mid, one of the very best 2-slot characters, top 15
- same goes for Futch, almost as good as Ayda
- Sierra is not lower mid, 2 rune slots, solid
- Lorelei is not #31, top 15
- Hai Yo is not #24, he's the weakest of the top 6 but he's still top 6 if Luc isn't used w/ the kindness rune glitch (= giving him 999 ATK, making him the best character)
- none of the 1-slot characters is anywhere close to top tier, Georg being the best but still can't compete w/ the top 15
- defense stats aren't relevant, a decent party will kill enemies in 1 turn, before they even act
The thing about 3 Slot characters is that yes, they usually have a higher damage cap as well as slightly more utillity if they're fully kitted out. However that's only if you bother to kit them out. The first Double-Strike and Double-Beat runes are free so you'll always have one ace - which is incidentlly as many as you need. If you want redundant damage, well then have farming a 2% drop rate. Clives and Viktors, and Valeria's, etc, are all high tier characters because they do their jobs effectively with almost no investment at all.
@@trinketmage8145 since this is a tier list, the relevant thing is what characters are capable of doing at their max potential
do you NEED a full party of 3-slot characters? absolutely not, even a party of 6 2-slot characters is overkill (3 fast ones might be enough to 1-turn the majority of battles)
but still, a character like Ayda (2 slots, and good stats to get the most out of multi-hitting w/ a decent crit chance) will always be a better party member than Valeria (using her command rune), if you set her up appropriately, same goes for other 2-slot characters w/ similar potential (Kinnison, Futch, Lorelei, ...), there's a good number to choose from too
Double Beat and Double Strike runes are not that hard to get, you only need 6 of each (i like to get more though, to make switching between characters easier)
Fury Runes are a bit harder to get, but you only really need one for each 3-slot character you plan on having in your party
grinding Rage / Thunder runes to put into weapon slots is optional, i'd only bother when planning to down the harder bosses in 1 turn w/ non-top-tier characters
Suikoden 2 really is as simple as that: a little bit of grinding, then speed though all battles by auto-attacking your way to victory ^^
@@IczR1 I guess the first sentence is where we disagree then. The Valeria VS Ayda argument contextualizes perfectly. With Ayda, you need to go out of your way multiple time to even recruit her, let alone equip her, so her maximum potential is gatekept by tedium. With Valeria you get the choice between her and Kasumi at very close to their full power for free.
At a leisurely pace the game takes what, 20 hours to complete? And farming for a 2% drop can take two hours, or a whopping 10% of that. What's even the point of spending two hours farmining if your big dick number chracters and hot tiddy comand rune users are already steamrolling everything?
@@IczR1 Suppose there was a hypothetical character that always went first, and always dealt a bajillion damage to every enemy on screen. Now suppuse to recruit this character you first needed every other character to reach level 99. Would she be God tier or trash?
@@trinketmage8145 thing is, a character like Ayda would already be better than a command rune user the moment you give them a Double Beat rune + a common elemental rune in the weapon slot, because multi-hits and crits are a thing, esp. w/ above average stats, and there's bonus elemental damage every hit
Double Beat runes you pretty much get during the first hour of the game, and you fight 6 of the enemy that drop it at a time, so the chance of getting one per fight (which is quick) is much higher than 2%
and elemental runes to put in the weapon are common, doesn't have to be Rage / Thunder runes, common ones still add 25% damage per hit
Double Strike runes can be farmed in Kobold Forest, still pretty early, and probably less work for the majority of people than recruiting all the kobolds ^^ (which is much less beneficial too)
all that is NO comparison to the hypothetical example you gave ^^
there actually is a character like that, somewhat, Luc, who would hypothetically be the best character if you abuse a glitch w/ the Kindness rune (making his ATK 999), but this needs to be maintained and is a bit of work
so i'd put him as a wildcard (like i would an extremely skill-based character w/ potential that not many people could tap into), and would at least mention this when doing a tier list, because, believe it or not, some people WOULD try and do this ^^
fully exploring a game you love w/ all it's mechanics is not a bad thing, i'd actually encourage people to try everything out for themselves, at the end of the day it gives you more options to enjoy the game
Ayda is easy to get iyam, and why wouldn't you recruit her, getting all 108 stars is a major draw of the game, gotta catch them all!
plus she comes w/ Feather, 2 in 1 go!
and it doesn't need to be Ayda specifically, like i said there's a sizable number of good characters to choose from, e.g. Kinnison, or Eilie and Rina, who you get easily and super-early
Valeria or Kasumi is actually a tough choice iyam, half of the players might not even choose Valeria (i didn't until my 2nd run)
and i'd say the game is more about 50h long at a leisurely pace, Suikoden 1 is close to 20h, maybe you're thinking of that?
Don’t forget that Valeria’s rune (sometimes) can be Critical Strike (up to 3000 damage) love his unite attack with Anita
I never picked Valeria. I pick Kasumi because it’s easier to get the the ninjas later with her to enter ninja village
Valeria in Top Tier.
Now that its out and receiving mostly positive reviews, would you consider doing a who is best for Cristales? The dynamics of some of the characters in this game are WILD .
Haven’t played it yet but I’ll put it on the list.
I remember having flik in my end game team for Suikoden 2 when I first played it. (Granted I didn't get all of the characters) so I'm planning on going through it again with the save data of Suikoden before I go again.
Almost March 2023... hoping those remasters come out soon!
Nice list, good to see some new Suikoden content. Some of your pronunciations could do with a bit of work though haha. XD
Haha always.
@@locloudanerpg you forgot mcdogol from. S1
I’m ashamed to say I’m seeing some of these characters for the very first time 😂 didn’t know a lot of them even existed. One of the best games though. Loved it. Still have it stashed away somewhere at home.
You did Hix Dirty, He has the Exertion Rune which good in long battles. Just my opinion hehe. So far I like your list. Almost same as Mine
Nanami with double attack rune and fury rune is by far the best character in game to me. It can attack up to 6 times with insane power, often ending the battle herself in one turn.
Same thing with Shiro he was a beast at Level 99 w/ same runes
U mean double beat rune?
@@KuyaJessTVshiro only have 1 rune slot
I was going to say the same. I do that with Shiro. @@KuyaJessTV
best for nanaminis spark rune man
Like when there are so many awesome characters and u just have 6 spots on the party :v . BTW cant wait to try out Eiyuden Hundred Heroes, we are almost theeere just 5 days left 🤩
nice video,but i did not understand what you said about " Clive ", what is the "multi hit"?
Wow, I never realized Sheena and few others were that good. Awesome video. I am wondering if the characters will get balanced out in the HD Remaster.
I hope not. It’s pretty fun as is because you choose your difficulty.
Yeah Sheena and Killey are the strongest physical fighters in the game, with 3 free rune slots and free weapon slot.
Of course Sheena is good! He's Lepant's son so you know he beat some skill into him.
@@locloudanerpg As someone who likes to use the pretty girls (Meg & co), I hope so lol
I used shiro and stallion most of the game so it’s interesting to see them where they are
my first playthrough (90s) these character wakaba,shiro, clive,sheena & hero are my core.
Hopefully there will be good people who modify this game, I really hope there is a NEWGAME+
Because RPG games are not only about fighting the final boss, or the ultimate weapon, but you have to keep on playing them, even if you only get an achievement, I really hope that NEWGAME+
Good list but I think for Casters you missed affinities. So Millie is a great mage for example as she has 40% more damage with Fire and Lightning. Rina on the other hand has only normal damage for all of the damaging spell runes. For physical attackers 3 open rune slots is just better than 2 so I think you overvalued many physical attackers with good stat growth as they'll get outclassed damagewise.
Yeah, Sheena and Kahn are two characters that I was surprised at ranking them lower. They both have three rune slots and even Kahn with the Double Beat/Strike Fury combo is going to hit harder than a lot of other characters and has about the same str as Chaco.
@@equipbasicsword Kahn can hit hard, yes, but he can't hit often. That is because his fixed weapon rune lowers his hit% by 15% which hurts him quite a bit and I'd rather build any other 3 slot character.
@@jm2270 My point was more that he has three rune slots, so I would pick him over Viktor for example.
Characters with three rune slots just have a natural advantage over those who don't at least when it comes down to the physical runes.
Millie is the best mage in the game, ans he downplayed her based on old biases against her.
@@mattstorage7805 There's still characters like Mazus and Luc who are better. Millie is definitely A tier though but you wouldn't know it if you didn't know about affinities. I don't think the ranking was out of malice.
A pretty good list
take ur +1 good man
No you’re a pretty good list you sexy subber you.
Soon we can all enjoy the HD remaster and do it all over again :D great list btw. Only issue I have is the fact that both kasumi and valeria are hot af so I can never decide....whyyyyy????? xD
I’m team Kasumi all day long
My end game team have all the tiers 😅😅😅
Hero, Flik, Camus, Miklotov (These 4 are always in the party)
Stallion (due to his fixed rune)
The last one is a variety of people e.g Kinnison, Clive, Meg, Rina, Millie, Simone or Tengaar
My end party so simple.
Rikimaru+Amada unite attack
Kinnison+Shiro unite attack
Hero (focus on support so i attached water and eart rune)
Luc (focus on attack rune so i attached fire, lighting and wind)
I just finished the game again yesterday after so many years. Camus, Georg, Hix, Tengaar and McDohl was my party at the end. I didn't use rune attacks by the end because I liked seeing the high attack damage from having friendship, fury and double beat runes lol.
I used Bob recently for a play through. Never knew he had an affinity for the darkness rune. Slapped that on him and he became an effective back row magic user
Did you try bob unite attack that deal 4x damage? With rabid rune, it produce kinda crazy damage.
@@777rando I gotta try that out
Georg has one open rune slot. He comes with a 'killer' rune, which can be removed.
Agree I changed it to fury and he was a beast
Been playing this since the 90's , any character with 3 rune slot are high tiers :)
George Prime my absolute favourite suikoden character .
He is probably by far the best melee fighter who ever existed in suikoden history. But although absloutely op in melee his cryptonite is magic which makes him so balanced after all.
Yes, 100% AGREE to the top Stars of the game--technically Tir a "bonus" cameo character...but I DO agree, his stats are basically just like Killey's if unlocked (and if you have the best gear equipped from S1, since it will reflect in S2)
But yeah, Killey and Sheena are the absolute GOD tiers (with Riou of course) because what makes the first 2 games great: Character Customization. Killey and Sheena are pretty much the No.2 and 3 next to No.1 Riou basically. They just have the best stats, all slots can be obtained (except for B.Shield on Riou), better if you grind the hell outta them with the Fortune Rune, and their RNG crit-rate is gonna be nasty! Especially when setup with the Fury-D.Strike-D.Beat Runes on those 2 killers in party. They can easily plow through L'Renouille without breaking a sweat.
Every playthrough I say I'm not going to use Viktor and Flik and try someone different, and every playthrough my nostalgia has me using them anyways.
Meg should be a high tier character. When equiped with killer and fury and use trick or miss can deal up to 4k+ damage
Personally my end game party is flick, miklotov, camus, Riou (hero), mcdohl, and mazus. But I have also substituted miklotov for Oulan with fury rune on occasion. Either party never fails
I never left Killey out of my line up til the end. Only disappointment is he doesn't have unite attack
Like the idea but perhaps a longer discussion on each character. Tier list are good listen in videos.
Think of it as a conversation starter. Thanks for the support!
@@locloudanerpg what rune do you suggest for clive? Killer or Double Beat?
@@alexevora8557 killer though a spark rune is also a good tactic.
Shiro is very useful until about half way and is one of the better characters available when you go undercover at the school.
Oh definitely you should probably take him and Luc but I like Luc so I might be biased but throw on the blue gate rune and his pale palace cleans house
@@jonmcknight18. Luc in Greenhill is so unnecessary, he only makes the area more tedious.
It's easier to just hit the auto battle button to clear the mobs than to wait Luc's animation to finish in every battle.
Its actually kinda crazy how op the hero is in the game. It was so fun playung this game the first time and feeling like my main charecter was unstoppable
My dude, Bob is a beast!! Figuratively and literally speaking. He is ass if you don’t transform but if you do… boss battles go by real quick
- Nina is one of my favourite character in Suikoden 2, tbh (also with Sierra and Karen)
- Sierra could be put in back row and focus on her rune
- I give Karen earth-based rune and combining with her own rune
surprisingly for me , the best character if we include glitch , is Rina , when she joins at level 19 , we can bring her to matilda to get 3 rune slots , then when kobold has been unlocked , we can get double beat , double strike , and fury on her , with kindness rune minus affection get her to 999 attack (kill her 10 times with fire lizard)
she can solo every boss starting from our first castle , minus the double strike rune
every first time characters you recruit before fall of muse can get to lv 80 and every lv 20-29 character after that can get to level 64-68 before we recruit matilda knights
Whoa. Do you have a vid of that glitch?!
@@locloudanerpg ua-cam.com/video/e3QU5KzG4uk/v-deo.html not mine tho.. i found it few days ago
@@locloudanerpgtbh im amazed you can make this vid without knowing the glitch 😂 i even know that glitch in my first gameplay where internet wasnt that common. Just by my rpg instinct
No wonder mostly i disagree with the list.
In the video you said phys wins over magic but you put mages that has locked runeslot in the high tier 😅
Edit: oh btw, all the animal chars are great early game. Shiro for example. Their natural STR are high. In the late game tho, they are trash simply because they dont have weapons. No extra STR and no weapon rune. It means alot if you can deal 7k (crit) per hit (means 3,5k extra dmg)
Since this is an old video, i really appreciate the content but maybeeee try to understand the game better since you are making tier list based on their usefulness
I always have Shin on my team, just counter his sub par defence with clay guardian and you have a dodging, critical dealing beast. I love Shin.
I usually go with Riou with Blue Gate, Viktor with Killer Rune and Double Beat Rune, Flik Thunder Rune and Rage Rune, Tir or Kahn with Resurrection and Rage Rune, Rina with Flowing and Mother Earth Rune and Luc with Cyclone Rune & Blue Gate Rune
Pesmerga, Georg, Hero, Suikoden 1 hero (yes, you can get him in Suikoden 2) with Viktor/Flik for nostalgia.
Any plan to do Suikoden 3? It was my favorite. xD
Absolutely!!
@@locloudanerpg YAY!! ^-^
I'd like to see a tier list for characters in Suikoden 1 (more challenging because there are no busted multi-rune setups) and 3.
No one plays Snoozekoiden 3.
A run with only vampires, werewolf’s, winged characters etc could be cool
Viktor is God Tier until late game when he really starts to fall flat stat wise. Suikoden 1 he was not that great. He had horrible accuracy and is really unusuable without the clone rune. I hated being forced to use him since I then had to choose between Pesmerga and others for my 3rd frontliner.
I feel like giving bonus points to useful characters in war battles should be included in this list. Some of the characters who are in the lower tiers could easily be elevated because of what they can do in the war battles.
if i want to have a "broken strong op" team at the end, i always go for Anita and Valeria.
the falcon runes are just to good.
doing double damage is the same as using double beat. with the benefit of not being counter able. (+ getting countered while using double beat is the worst that can happen... especially in the Luca fight)
not to mention the falcon crit multiplier (x5) that outpaces the missing 3rd runeslot.
Most of these are spot on but Zamza with fire sealing on should at least be upper mid tier, the double damage and unlimited rune use for first half of game is pretty stout.
I concur. He'll deal less than a Fury+Double Beat user, but unless you've farmed for years you'll only have the one Fury+Double Beat user. Shoryuken!
Zamza is really great when you get him, and can be used til endgame. I agree completely.
I think you missed Kahn. My endgame team was Hero, Tir, Viktor, Flick, Kahn, and Pesmerga. I didn't realize Killey was*that* good!
Ah, the age-old debate among Suikoden II fans! 🌟 Crafting a tier list is always a challenge with such a diverse cast of characters, each with their own strengths and quirks.
I'd love to hear your thoughts on who tops the list and why. It's the unique strategies and personal experiences that make these discussions so enriching. Let's dive into the analysis and celebrate the depth of Suikoden II's roster! 🎮🏆
I always go with Nina and Flik to the final battle because their combo attack is one of the best in the game xD (also, she has a very good defense. At least she never dies when is in my party) Luc tho... he dies very quickly. I like his powers (and him hahaha), but it's very difficult to place and to use (he's a mage, but he is uppfront, so you have to choose between making him use magic all the time or just die xD!)
My final team is always: Riou, Tir, Flik, Camus, Miklotov and Nina. That way I can use all of their combos (4 in total, using Nina-Flik when Miklotov is unbalance and viceversa) and their runes (I find Camus' rune one of the best :_D)
Luc is useless for physical Attacks. You can just let him defend and do nothing. But he shines in boss fights with his powerful magic. Put him in the back and wait until boss fights.
My end game for suiko 2 is hero, flik, Victor, rina, eilie, and the last spot changes around. Wakaba usually, but sometimes tengaar if I want another magic user.
Yeah, Wakaba is really good. I know I actually didn't use Killey much, so it wasn't until afterwards that I found out how busted he was.
@@SpanishFly120 I had never tried using Killey til the last time I played, and he is really good. But I cant help but stick to the same party mostly. I get attached.
Front line: George, humphry, Persmaga?
Back row: hero, usually two mages( usually Tengar and one other.). It's been so long since I made it to end game it's hard to remember lol.
Werewolf Bob with Double Beat Rune, Fury Rune, and Exertion Weapon rune is a force to be reckoned with but I guess anyone would be.
Maybe I just like having a werewolf teammate with health regen.
My endgame was Hero, Flik, Viktor, Kahn Sierra, Luc
Mainly because I just stick to, mainly, the party I was forced to use at Tinto.
I hope you get to Suikoden 3 eventually since its the only one I've actually played, lol
We’ll get there eventually!
Meg has an A rating with the Lightning rune and Wind rune (hits for 40% more damage) so not sure why she's so low on your list.
Can anyone tell me what the second game in the intro is? The one after three houses
Time and Eternity. You sub yet?
Seeming as Ive just watched all your Suikoden tier lists I've kind of got to, you should do the rest though!
@@Camobwoi planning on 3 or 1 soon. Welcome to the Fam!
My End Game Team ,Front row : Georg Prime,Viktor,Pesmerga And In The Back Row Is : Riou,Mazus,Killey That strong enough Just Use Double Strike To Georg,Viktor With Fury and Double Beat,Pesmerga With Double Beat its very strong enough
For me; All playable characters units are the best as long as they got extra rune slot for *Double Beat Rune* ; This Rune is the farmable in early game as well
Yeah,, as a player on early game, i’m patiently farm Double Beat Rune at North Sparrow Pass, it takes 2 hours to collect (at least 5 Double Beat Rune) from Rabbit opponent’s
@@noobmaster69686 So boring to farm there btw
Also, Yoshino is ALWAYS in my party!
Personally I'd bump up Tsai to low mid tier. Early game he's at least as solid as most of your other options, but unlike most he also unlocks a second rune slot as low as level 20.
Hai, what's the name of the game on the intro?
Fire emblem, time and eternity and dragons crown.
Honestly all the characters -except Tuta- are useable. Between Unite attacks, Rune options, and gear, most characters can be built into something decent. Some are better than others and oddly I appreciate that. The fact that Tuta is so bad makes him unique in a weird way.
The squirels deserve a higher tier... Crazy strong at high leves, fast and their unite atack can one shot bosses. Kinda funny making Luca Blight flying away from battle
Awesome video but honestly you can beat any boss in this game with any character of your choosing.
Is this list missing one of the bandits or am I missing something?
My party should always include Oulan with the rune that gives berserk and Shiro with double beat
Me again. Well... Georg Prime, OMG!
There is a powerfully tanker/damager. He is like that movie guy more stronger than the main hero what have much large battle experience but came to help on final scene just for hero do the final strike on villain. Sorry for my english
Victor, Sheena, Eillie, Nanami, Shiro and Luc were my favorite characters.
Victor, Sheena and Luc don't need an explanation. We all know why they are there.
I know Shiro is not that strong, but I love him. He opens all the runes really soon, and since you don't have to buy him weapons and sharp them, you can save a lot of money to spend it on other characters.
Eillie is a mediocre wizard, but I love her interactions with the main character. So I bring her just for fun.
I usually just use my fave character since riou is the most useful one anyways XD. I usually pick Killey, Sierra, Shiro and Valeria since they are my fave but good to know they're not on shit tier. I'm surprised Killey can be op. I just liked him because of his design.
Shiro is massively op at end game with a double beat. The goodest boy is just broken with how often he attacks.
Not to mention that co-op attack with his master.
Great stuff!
Forever my favorite characters will always be Victor and Flint.
My L'Renouille strike team:
Front row: Georg, Pesmerga, McDohl/Killey
Back row: Hero, Mazus, Luc
Could i get the names of the two games from 0:05 to 0:11?
The one with the girl with the gun is Time and Eternity. The second one with the sorceress is Dragon's Crown
Oh, well. I will still using Kinnison because I liked him coupled with shiro. I agree as Riou (hero) is on top of them all. Jack of all trades never be this good.
Luc is God tier in my opinion, if you prepare him with 3 attacking runes (I use wind, cyclone and fire/rage) and many magic items
My favorite endgame party was
(Front)Flik, Viktor, Pesmerga
(Back) Hero, McDohl, Ellie
With the end game content, there is nothing in the game (even final boss) that requires a lot of prep or special strats.
When can we expect the Eiyuden Chronicle tier list?
Late July most likely. I’ll try to get it done sooner.
@@locloudanerpg I'm looking forward to it
Here is my list of all 108 characters.
1. Georg Prime.
2. a 107 way tie for last place.
I gotta disagree the Badeuax placement. He's not great, but Badeuax plus two beasts plus is a pretty easy way to phase one of Luca Blight's phases. Sasuke's unite attack with Futch and Luc is surprisingly great at deleting random encounters.
Give Viktor Double Beat/ Fire Eater with Fire Lizard rune on weapon and watch him melt anything.