The media convinces people they need things so they buy them…but now people are giving up children for things. Have children and give up the junk you don’t need.
People simply can’t afford to have lots of kids anymore in the first world unless they are wealthy. In my country of Australia young people can’t even afford to buy a home, so starting a large family is totally out of the question.
Anything that puts up the cost of housing is anti-babymaking. Immigration puts up the cost of housing. Compulsory superannuation is anti-babymaking. We have to pay for our retirement instead of raising a family. No blame, on demand divorce forces middle-aged women into poverty. I have intelligent daughters who have good jobs. They won't be passing on their genes to another generation. We have a system of eugenics that favours the genes of those who can't compete in the labour market. The less successful must choose between the poverty of unemployment or the poverty of single motherhood.
@@braxxian Why you must buy an home in the first place? By the way, there is a reason why houses in your country are so pricy, because it's an amazing country with great quality of life and job opportunities, so if houses were cheap half the planet would try to immigrate there... and that would rise the cost of houses.
@barondino4628 various factors. supply and demand with not enough house built to keep up with increasing population. Tax incentives that prioritise investment properties over owner occupied. Ultra low interest rates have help drive a massive increase in prices as people could obtain larger Mortages. While there really isn't a quick fix it looks like prices are starting to plateau or even fall little in some of the capitals.
Being pregnant is a huge burden on women. Sickness for 3 months or more, back pain, breast pain, stomach pain, stretch marks. Then giving birth, which is frankly, a terrifying and agonising experience. You panick as you think you will never manage to get it out. Mostly the baby rips you down there on its way out. In many countries you are lucky if you are offered pain relief. You have to sit on a rubber ring for the 1st few days after delivery whilst you painfully heal & dread going to the bathroom. Then there are other pregnancy related dangers like pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes. Breast feeding is no walk in the park either. On the economic side, the woman often suffers reduced earnings or stops work completely for a while & never regains her form career standing. Then on the domestic front most of the boring mundane unpaid chores fall to the women. Why are these governments surprised the birth rates are falling given all of the above?
Exactly. Economists, demographers, etc think women are stupid beasts who will continue, after getting access to birth control, to give birth frequently for some bizarre reason no one understands and are shocked when women don't do that. LOL. They are truly truly stupid!!
Yeah but maybe that’s not the reason. Maybe you may disagree, and feel free to as I’d love to know your perspective, but y’all don’t venture to meet many people outside your social group that you’ve known for years and years. Every Dane I’ve ever met while being intelligent, polite, and overall pretty cool, seemed to not venture to really get to know people as they seemed to already have a set social circle.
@@angelinimartini what does that have to do with the birthrate? And how does that explain the rest of the world’s dropping birth rate? Americans are some of the most outgoing people and their birth rate is dropping too.
@@pollutingpenguin2146 I think that could be a contributing factor. And just like many other places in the world, we have a loneliness epidemic. People don’t know how to make friends in real life. Therefore they don’t form romantic relationships or don’t know how to keep them going.
Denmark is super expensive. The cost of living is crazy. Especially with all the old people living in massive houses alone that they refuse to vacate. Germany has the same problem. The cost of Housing is the number one problem in the west. Nobody wants to admit that. Because house prices dropping would screw up the financial system. We need a land value tax.
Edcuated smart People will only have kids if they can provide for them it's not to have 7 so 2 can survive into adulthood. It's to have 2 so 2 can thrive and have all the opportunity others kids have.
Rich people have a lot of children because they can afford it. Also the poor, because they can't afford it. The tragedy is that the class of real working people who create goods and services is dying out. They are educated and smart, but they only earn enough to survive.
bro in subsaharan Africa they have like 6 kids per family on average and are dead broke. The problem with educated people not having is is simply a cultural one. It's too much work for them.
@@pickler_picklerin Africa they are free labour. In developed nations they are a massive cost. That’s why we are not having children. It would mean a drastic reduction in our ability to survive. I don’t have an extra 100 euros every month never mind 1000 euros. I will never be able to buy my own home, I can not even get a loan to buy a car, never mind a house. The problem with the educated middle class is that they understand the repercussion’s of having children. And the same as any expense, they calculate the cost vs benefits. The poor are stupid and don’t know better and the ultra rich don’t care as it makes no difference to their life. If governments want us to have children, especially millennials, they need to support us. I don’t want free money. I have never taken a dime from the government. I want an environment that makes it easier to have children. Starting with affordable housing. Removing legislation that prevents housing from being build. Remove the powers NIMBYs have. And reduce lead times for permits to be issued. In my country of Germany it’s impossible to build affordable housing,
With all due respect to Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson, a declining birthrate is a boon for the working class and while it will cost the elite a bit, they can afford it. Other pluses, less pollution, better treatment of animals, fewer wars. History verifies all of this, too.
@@Lucy-goosy411 I don't know about them, but I do think the working class no longer has a party representing their interests. Clinton's 300 plus trade agreements, bolstered totalitarian regimes, destroyed American industries and jobs, and enriched corporations, stock holders, and, of course, the Dems. The only politico that I think I could happily vote for is Tulsi Gabbard, but I'd need to know a bit more about some of her economic positions.
A blessing. If the population continues to grow as it has in the past decades it will collapse in brutal ways (starvation, wars, diseases). All resources are exhaustible.
It's collapsing too quickly though. *29%* of Japan is *65+!* A lot of industrialized countries are aging out quickly. If the fertility rate is 1.6 kids per woman, then every generation will be 25% smaller than the previous one, and a lot of countries have a smaller fertility rate.
The population is growing in countries that care about the planet and all ecological issues. Countries that discourage having children due to ecology and high costs are dying out.
It could be a manageable if our economic system wasn't a literal ponzi scheme dependant upon perpetual growth to service mounting debts from decades of irresponsible fiscal policy. As it stands now, however, it can and will crash the entire world's economy, which in turn, will likely kill millions more people as wars and famine spread across lesser development countries. Hell, the global system of trade set up after WW2 that basically every country relies on will likely fall apart, making things worse, as it's entirely dependent upon the US Navy's ability to project itself.
@@spnked9516 You people keep talking about money instead of talking about having babies, this is where money is the root of all evil. You are going extinct because of the greed for money.🇺🇸
The climate is warming. The aquafers are drying up. Species are going extinct at a rapid rate. Topsoil is being washed into our rivers and out to sea. Our forests are disappearing. And some people want more people??? They are crazy. Literally crazy.
Global economic model is built on infinite growth in a finite world. Here lies all the problems since it is essentially a ponzie system. Instead of changing our economic model to a sustainable one, the elites want to continue down this path. It's great that the other side of this discussion is finally being addressed.
Malcolm Collins is the only one of the speakers here to adopt a realistic and appropriately alarmist attitude towards this unavoidable issue. Attempting to reverse demographic decline in modern industrialised economies is akin to attempting to alter the trajectory of a very large Earth-bound asteroid - you really have to start trying *at least* 20 years ago.
This demographic decline in youth numbers is going to hit the universities very very hard in the next 10 years. They are going to be fighting for students, so we’re going to see a huge shrinkage in students and eventually closures of colleges and universities. And then we’re going to see scrambling for any new workers to be brought into a company. Companies are going to have to start serious apprenticeship programs to be able to attract and keep well trained employees.
Europe and East Asia are already seeing it hit hard as so many schools and kindergartens in those 2 regions are closing due to lack of students caused by a steep decline in the number of children in those regions
Great news about universities! Tertiary education has already been dumbed down (at least in places like Australia and Canada) where anyone can get a degree and you cannot fail. Vice chancellors are now on over 1 million per year in salary in Australia. Many universities just take foreign student money and the students can’t even speak English yet somehow graduate with a Masters In Finance or Engineering or nursing. University should only be for the brightest people and courses like Accounting shouldn’t even be taught at university level.
It's a blessing. So many are currently struggling as is just to take care of themselves, why bring another life into an already dreary situation? I say, I'd rather regret having them then not having them. I am in the US and not only is it too expensive, but its not safe and the same people I see screaming " Have more babies" will be the same ones to criticize others for having a baby in poverty. Maybe if it wasn't so expensive and other facfors being brought to light maybe folks would consider kids.
wow. Clear misunderstanding regarding inverted population pyramids. Lets just say, if youre 30 and under, you'll be changing a lot of diapers in your future employment - adult diapers.
Wait, you are in UA-cam! Not sure if you know this, but not only there is a title with a question, there is also a video you can watch about it if you click play!
The claim that we should not worry about the fertility rate and only focus on the elderly when it comes to policy making is a sure way to put our heads into the sand.
Yep. Old people have had time to get their affairs in order for themselves and have time to vote. Kids aren’t allowed to vote, and young adults are too busy trying to survive to vote, especially if they’ve had even one kid! And so all the policies favor the elderly… 🤦♀️
We probably will focus way too much on the elderly in the near future and I can't help be see that as accelerating down a dead end road that ends at a cliff. In the US the elderly already take up more than half of the US federal budget via social security and healthcare. There are noble reasons for this, compassionate reasons, reasons that are easy to understand. But I think that once you understand the scale of fertility collapse and what it entails, it's hard to see this massive investment in the elderly as a prudent use of resources.
@@austinduke8876it’s the same all over the developed world. Countries run by the old. We need to change the voting system. Parents should have 1 extra vote for each child under 18. To represent their interests. It would mean a much fairer society where everyone has a voice.
@@MoDa87 it’d help some things, but all we’d have are richer, non-fertile young people. Until you address the disincentive to breed in the developed world, it doesn’t matter. Babies are a hot potato and SOMEONE will have to hold it. This is really what this is all about: who is gonna do the unpaid work of child rearing?
Why? It is better for them. Less young people means less new companies, as older people are more risk averse. Less consumers, no space for new companies. No new companies means less competition, that rises margins of the current companies.
@@CalebKennizzitekids are not your retirement plan and it is usually FEMALE relatives that step up as usual. Maybe the world needs to start appreciating women a bit more.
@@CalebKennizzitehow many people are in nursing homes dying alone all while having kids!? The majority of them have kids and yet, they're alone. So STFU about this.
Have you ever heard of a concept such as sacrifice in the present for the future? You can't afford not to have kids, but you will probably realize this way too late when you are old, without pension, and without anyone to care for you.😢
@@edytatehrani3934 Really, so they should be raised in poverty so they can take care of me later? Without kids I have fewer expenses, and hence more money to put into an IRA.
We really just need to make sure it happens gradually as it does need to decline. Too steep a decline tho… and it’s going to get VERY ugly before it gets better.
@@Willsmiff1985 I don’t know how you do that. One of the biggest culprits is lack of marriage or even hooking up. Women want men that make more than them and a lot of them make 6 figures. Our whole Mating selection system is out of touch with or roots
I think the smarter women are adjusting. I dated for 27 years after 18 and several were high aceheivers including doctors, executives and scientists. I was college educated making 100k on average and they made much more. A smart hardworking dude can get these women but they will require a prenup if marrige comes up. The young low earner women are the gold diggers. The well off ones don’t care that much within reason. I married a psychologist 1st wife and manager engineer 2nd wife. They both made more than me and enjoyed my wit, intelligence and the unselfishness I displayed. So don’t write them off.
@@Shikuesi maybe once you actually see it declining. It could stop completely for 20 years and we would still have about 3 billion fertile humans to start breeding again. Come on, use your common sense.
Bad news for consumer Products Corporations ! Excellent news for Jane and Joe Doe... Freeways, airports, downtown less crowded, less sprawl, less trash and pollution 😊
Old people can't work so they don't produce, they don't consume much so the economy will shrink, and they need welfare paid by young working age people's taxes. Good luck trying to keep your country going while the population age.
Across the western world, we don't have housing for the people we've got. Young people feel like they're living in a declining, dog eat dog hell world, no way they're having more kids. Build robots to care for the old or automate other jobs so the remaining people can. Fewer people means we won't have to pave Yellowstone and Central Park to make room for giant apartment towers. Growth was never going to last forever. As for the growth of repressive cultures, that's what modern automated weapons are for. Those are the reason women got rights in the first place, because they freed societies from the malthusian competititve trap.
And no humans, or barely surviving humans, devolved into beings driven by their primary needs. Watch for those wolfs or bears trying to have you for supper
@@notbob8252 As opposed to 50 pregnant woman & 50 newborn babies per nurse? Earth will look for balance . No trend goes on the same way forever . Human beings will adapt accordingly.
Another thing to consider is our health care systems across the world. Most people can't afford to see a doctor and some of them will die because of it.The processed food industry is causing type 2 diabetes and fatty liver disease in younger folks decreasing life span for future generations.
Add to that genetically inherited health diseases from parents or their siblings and previous ancestors like diabetes, cancer. Human life is tolerable only as long as each organ of human body works fine.
In india if you want to keep your kid in a competitive school that also focuses on personality and all round focus, then the school fees for one year will be as much as the whole 14 years of previous generations school fees....crazy out there
Americans are buying these $30,000 houses and living in Japan there are no jobs at these houses, but if you’re a tech savvy, you can take advantage of the situation
Population decline being bad or good, depends on what we make of it. Even if the current population fell 75%, I don't think that will lead to extinction of humans. I also suspect that most countries birth rates will decline in the next 20-30 years that will be similar to where South Korea is now. Based on current politics, economics etc., this is set in stone. I expect this to continue to be the case till early 2100's. What happens after that is too difficult to forecast.
@@nepsyasudra3262 Why just the ratio of retirees to taxpayers? Workers don't just support retirees. They support children and the adults whose care of children, prevents them from being economically productive They support the unemployed and the sick and disabled. In the 1970s, women stopped having so many babies and became taxpayers themselves, which created an unnaturally high ratio of worker/taxpayers to dependents.
Corporate politicians talk more concern about the effects being child free has on an economy than they do the human condition... While feigning ignorance to the real reasons.
Breeding like flies won't help in a situation where there are less jobs available due to automation. More like, we cannot afford a fixed age for pension anymore, but it should be based on assessing individual health/work capability. Some with the financial means can obviously retire early.
@@oscarparedes4033We need as 20 year ban only then allow people to have them. Children will grow up and make labor competition so bad even more than now, and they will just be exploited
@@edytatehrani3934. The supposed purpose was to lower labor costs while the middle class is phased out from AI and robotics. Then there will be a less questioning lower class that has replaced the aspiring middle class. I hate Marxism but this was class warfare by the elites. They want an international lower class that has no national affiliation for a global economy. They can be moved around as desired.
True … but those “workers /slaves” you’re referring to support everyone not just the rich . We all rely on healthcare to stay alive , waste removal to stay clean , tradespeople to live in safe homes etc
Governments seem to think they can solve this problem by making small changes at the margins. Tweak a tax here, offer a subsidy there. Economistic thinking at its finest. At its root the problem is cultural: the economistic thinking framework that governments use is itself the problem.
@@skylinefever The Russians are already thinking about preventing women from going to university and also tying your pension to the number of children you had, if you didn't have any children, you don't get a pension in old age. They also want to introduce a childless tax
It’s bad for capitalists. Less consumers and less workers to make them rich. Less demand on housing. They don’t want to make the changes required to increase birth rates. Like making life easier for young people. People who are educated but have a low income don’t have children.
What is also so understated is the gender imbalance in many countries that are seeing their populations surge. The rates of girls being aborted in India and Pakistan are high. It’s even higher among those who have immigrated to North America where abortion is legal and socially accepted. These sex imbalances will lead to decline of these religious and ethnic groups in the coming century.
@@shahankhan7685 in India it’s illegal but still happens. Many move to Canada before trying to have children so they have the option to abort their girls. The Sikh schools here are filled with mostly boys and hardly any girls. The very religious Indian and Pakistani Muslims also do the same. All of this is happening because Canada is so expensive and these people can only afford to have ONE or TWO children MAX.
Not being social and getting out to meet other's could be a problem. When you are isolated it makes social anxiety a real issue. It is easier for some to create a social algorithm in a virtual world than live in the real world. Plus, more families are living together because corps are buying up residential areas and making the housing market skyrocket. Furthermore, people are working continuously and have no time to even think about being in a relationship much less adding children into the mix. I have had women say, why would I bring children into this messed up world.
I don't believe in 'evil corporations' that make housing expensive. It is usually because some local residents (probably boomers) don't want to build more, as they want faster appreciation of their property, for example.
In queue processing systems, the queue grows if the rate of consumption slows down. Compared with population, that is similar to decrease in death rate. However, each item in this "queue (a person)" has a finite TTL (time to live) - lets say 100 years max. So naturally, the "queue" will grow, but if the rate of replacement does not keep up, it will come down once "items" in the queue hit the TTL expiration time. What it means though is that at some point in the future the rates may balance out where the population will be stable, living longer and better, but will be much smaller than now. So this actually gives some reasons for cautious optimism. The time frame for this is probably 2100 - 2200.
It is not the problem it is being made out to be. It is more of a market correction. We saw the same thing during the Great Depression, when life was very much a hand-to-mouth proposition and having kids was the last thing on people’s minds. Once production and reproduction match each other, equilibrium will follow
The problem is the whole population problem is seeing from a man or male dominant perspective. If you want to correct this you need to ask women young women, not older women and not religious fanatics. What is the best thing to do in order for them to have children at their appropriate ages. Which means they will be having children in the late teens, the 20s, 30s wow attending schools. So them and their offspring would need a lot of help from the family and the government also for them not to be condemned for having children without having the economic means to raise them.
Religious fanatics that control women’s lives are some of the only groups that have high birthrates and are still growing quickly worldwide. Giving women control of their lives paradoxically causes lower birthrates and leads to that group being outnumbered by the fanatics.
Yup, society will have to find a way to make motherhood and personal fulfillment/security compatible rather than cheating by assuming women can only find fulfillment through motherhood. Especially when motherhood comes with exclusively financial/physical/costs, no benefits. Motherhood should at least come with the honor, pay, benefits, cultural relevance of military service. If not, people can stop talking about it as a resource or duty.
The East still think only men can hold property thus why China one child policy was such an issue and now they are facing the consequences of that and good. The west it’s cost of living and no incentive to have kids when capitalism wants more workers then thriving citizens
We are over 7 billion and need to be back below 4 billion again. The world is nearly twice the population, cars and plastic and chemical products than when i was growing up. Not having children, adopting unwanted children, and reducing our non-natural, non-biodegradable consumption, is necessary for the earth's healthy future.
Issac Asimov wrote "The Caves of Steel" in 1953, envisioning a grossly overpopulated planet Earth 3000 years in the future where people were forced to live in steel domes in layers underground like ants. In that book the population of the planet had reached 8 billion (it was only around 2 billion when the novel was written) Its kinda mind blowing that today the planet has well over 8 billion people and will reach 10 billion by 2050.......
i lived in a overcrowded state and then moved to a underpopulated state and my quality of live improved significantly. i will never go back to that hell hole
Ofcourse its a blessing. Asking people to eat less meat, fly less, drive less etc is not good. High competition for good jobs is not good. If you increase jobs and don’t ask people to give up meat/flying/driving etc then people will have kids again. No one likes so much competition for everything be it job, driving, etc
It’s funny when parents take childfree people personally or think everyone should have children. Wouldn’t parents not want everyone to have children as it means less competition and more resources for their own kids? But no.. they often take childfree people as a personal attack and think their lives are worthless for not procreating, when clearly it’s the opposite- more resources for those who do procreate. It’s a community service not to breed
Thank you to the professor from the University of Maryland. @7:04 he talks about the constant growth mindset that is unsustainable. Why do we need economic growth? How about a sustainable economy? What, the billionaires won't get richer?
I think of the work of Mark Fisher and his philosophical question of imagining a world BEYOND capitalism. That is possibly where the solution to all this lies.
They're not really families trust me, there's a lot of single motherhood, probably like 50 or 60%. and that's one of the main reasons why African societies are so backward and violent, i would rather a woman be childless than a single mother, and am not talking about single mothers whose husbands died, but women who have children out of wedlock and the men abandon them
Closer analysis reveals that it isn’t a result of families having fewer children, decreased birthrate is largely driven by a rapid increase in childlessness. That can be a choice, or it can be a result of lack of choice.
They won't. As a childfree woman I can't ever picture mothers getting the respect they deserve. Society is still in the mindset that motherhood is a resource they can take for granted.
Our goal should not to increase the population or to create a vast workforce of unskilled laborers. With 8 billion people already inhabiting the planet, aiming for a sustainable population of 4 billion would alleviate strain on resources and the environment. Instead of focusing on quantity, we should prioritize quality. By cultivating teams of educated individuals, we empower ourselves to tackle critical challenges such as climate change, the transition to renewable energy, the fight against cancer, space research and the quest to extend human life. A smaller, more educated population is better equipped to innovate and collaborate on solutions for a healthier planet and a brighter future. Focusing on population control and quality education not only improves the human experience but also contributes to a more sustainable relationship with our environment. Only problem we are seeing is countries that have resources to educate people are not replacing their population while with countries with less resources are producing more.
In the past, every child who died before reaching sexual maturity, would have on average prevented many future people being born (especially if the child was female). When infant mortality was reduced however, millions of lineages were created by the extra people who survived to reproduce. Infant mortality kept society at stable population levels since societies started farming about 15,000 years ago, but when that problem was largely resolved, the population exploded over time (as many new successive generations produced by those additional people arose).
The two gentlemen, who are the experts I’d like to know how many children they have. because when I watch these things, usually the people who are talking about this have absolutely no children, but they’re sounding the alarms. Either too many children or not enough.
Once the social security funds are depleted, old age will be miserable for those without extended families to help. Then the birth rate will naturally increase because larger families will mean security in old age. Right now in most countries, more children means a lower standard of living because of all the money spent on raising children.
Or, one can be prudent in their spending and plan for their retirement, which is a much more effective way of of going about it than having children and expecting them to take care of you
@@devilsadvocacy Hello, money can't take care of you in your old age, someone else's children have to take care of you even if you didn't have children. you can have all the money in the world but if there aren't any young workers to take care of you then the money becomes useless. imagine if we all stopped having children and saved all our money, then who will we pay that money to to take care of us when we are 80 years old if everyone is childless
@@wamnicho I don’t know about you, but if I get to a point where I can no longer care for myself is when I start planning my exit. I’m not nearly so selfish, despite what people say, that I would ever become a burden on anybody
There are too many people. If the population reaches 4 bilion there are still enough people and none of the countrys will disapear. And the nature will be slowly cured.
This interview was insufferable. The only educated dude kept getting interrupted. We’ve heard the same blasè semi-educated opinions of the other two, but for the love of god stop interrupting the guy that actually knows what he’s talking about. Who gives a F if he talks fast. Increasing quality of life will only make the TFR go down. The dude was right. Governments will start to go to extreme measures to save their populations, especially autocratic countries like Russia Iran and China. They will disallow women’s education, contraception, and employment. THAT is the trend we’re heading towards. Not the dumb BS the lady was spewing about “higher quality of life increases birth rates.”
The problem is capitalism and our obsession with economic growth and consumerism. Our model is very short-sighted, and we've put one kind of growth (economic) ahead of a much more important growth (population). In the short term, it's very bad for the economy to take people out of the workforce in order to make babies. But that will inevitably lead to a smaller and older population. We've made the bed we'll lie in. But we can turn it around if we stop obsessing on the economy. Becoming even richer wont make people more prone to have babies, if at the same time everything also becomes more expensive. In reality, it's only the elites that enjoy most of the riches. I think that ultimately we have to move to a completely new way to organize society, where people are allowed to live and enjoy life, and where those that want to have children feel that they can, without being punished by the economy.
It’s certainly a wonderful blessing for Planet Earth! Less air and water pollution. Less strip mining and habitat destruction! Less Deforestation! Less Desertification! Less over fishing! Less extinction of plants and animals! Elon embarrasses himself every time he opens his mouth. He obviously doesn’t think very deeply about things!
You know what the real kick in the nuts is?? The guy who clearly doesn’t think 😂 some how managed to build a net worth of 200 Billion dollars and a critical thinker like yourself didn’t!
If population does decline then governments will have to absolutely abandoned the idea that taxes pay for things, otherwise they will be stuck in a austerity death spiral, the US has largely abandoned it for now, but unfortunately a lot of the deficit spending is highly regressive since a large part of it is going to the top thanks to interest rates payments .
Declining population is a good thing we humans should live in small tribes hunting for survival i think we are happier that way even if it means shorter and harder life i think its more revarding.
My mother was a colonel in the army. She had four children. She got her college degree after she had four children. And she was a wife or is the wife because she still alive. You can do all of it and women do. my grandmother worked and had five children, but my grandmother who did not work and who had six children was the one living in poverty in her old age. She had no Social Security, no pension nothing.
Europe has the lowest wealth inequality of any region, yet very low birth rates. 3rd world countries have high birth rates and also very high wealth inequality on top of being poor
People have no idea that most of these arguments are antinatalist. 2 people are talking about immutable culture, good luck. Kids are a liability and that's why everyone tries to get rid of them. In south korea, people have been offered $75k and men are refusing. No men should sign up for that type of servitude
Give people more purchasing power for stable families and they will have children. Keep pretending that money is not the issue and shrink to extinction.
The problem is Cletus' and especially Trayvon's are fathering WAY too many children that will almost never be productive members of society. In all likelihood the children will end up repeating the cycle and being a drag on the system.
The decline allow demand for better work benefits & higher pay for workers. Housing prices will be cheaper since you there will be less demand for them.
Everyone in here is commenting without having watched the video or made an attempt at independent thought. Chronic, sustained low birth rates don't show up until the large generations start dying off. Then you have more retirees than working age adults, putting a burden on tax payers and government programs as the problem compounds itself for future generations. Meanwhile, the sudden drop in population is also leading to low revenue for utilities, possibly resulting in failure of electricity and water in hollowed out communities. This is a problem that will hit the common man far harder than the rich.
Well i have an idea. A very 1950 idea. It worked. -Afforable housing. -One salary in a "normal" job (not super blue collar jobs) that allows a family to raise two kids. -Job security and great demand for new employes on those jobs. If you can make those, families and kids will raise again...not like in the 50s but it will increase.
Who is going to pay the taxes is 1 issue; but who's going buy the goods we want to produce is another. Taxes are based on income, Social Security is based on income. If we have fewer people buying the products we're producing the whole system collapses. As far as immigrant supplying the need, most of them are not educated. It costs $$$$ to educate a population. Bringing in immigrants with no education only fills the lowest level jobs.
I need to think of reuse and recycle just like the earth you reuses and recycle. Not use and throw away or creating chemicals and materials and even foods that are dangerous for our health and the environment and using energy that does not leave dangerous after effects radiation for nuclear carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide for gas and oil and then the other one I can’t remember butthat’s not the cheapest quality. And we also need to. I hate to say it but rich people need to be taxed at a higher rate to support this.
We need to find systems to help people be able to raise children economically so that the population can go down at a slow enough rate that there is not an excess shortage in caregivers and other essential fields such as educators, healthcare workers, and trades people for the population. Additionally we need to better educate people to do jobs and careers there are shortages in. We need to better help those who are low income or who do not have a stable home life. A higher success rate for our younger generations will help the economy and the world. People long term can choose how many kids they want or don't want and if we made the right financial incentives to have kids more people would. The number of people who want kids today but cannot afford it is disheartening to the U.S. economy and many other economies around the world. If you want to help the future workforce go mentor people, support people, and do not sit idly by as any problem is all of our faults. We all live on this planet and are part of the problem. The good news is that we can all be part of the solution.
The cost of housing is the number one reason why we are not having children. We simply can not afford a bigger space. We are even moving back in with my parents in another country, so we can try to save money to not be poor all the time. I don’t want to raise children in a tiny rented apartment.
As we should you’ve all taken the great sacrifice ever mother makes who are the POOREST and most abused demographic in the world for granted. Religion and government can no longer bully women into having the goldmine for the few to benefit from -no thanks.
She lives in a mansion and drives a nice car. She does no work. She just utters the nonsense. She was taught in the school that she thinks is an education yet she wants to talk about fair distribution of resources. Well, the people who worked to make her life material better make pennies on the dollar compared to what she makes, she’s going to be the arbiter of what fair
Perhaps the governments should implement something like the more children you have the less taxes you pay to help supplement the family income to support the family
@@Missy35249 yes but it’s not enough to give you an incentive to have several kids I’m talking about overhauling the program that’s in place and make it worthwhile to have more kids. The time is now not when the population has shrunk and there’s less available women to have kids the time is now from what the are predicting for 2050 it will be the biggest population decrease
The point is, this type of rapid reduction in population will collapse a lot of systems we have in place which will cause chaos for people who aren’t already wealthy.
@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman There might be plenty of jobs that need doing but we might find ourselves in a position where no one actually has the skills or know how to do them properly or at all. Loss of knowledge and skills always happens during population collapse historically and now we have considerably larger and more complex systems that require specialized education or training and we already have a crisis of competence in many fields and things have been breaking down for a while now.
@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman I believe it would create problems for people who are not on welfare as well, and widespread social unrest and panic as a result
@@LordMagiru the only answer to this and the only hope that I have remaining for humanity to be able to solve the immense complexities and crises that loom in front of us, is AI. Not sure if you or other people will agree, but I have come to that conclusion after learning deeply about what to expect in the future, and what to expect from AI in the future. I just hope that the crucial parts related to tech, energy, production, and skills in all the possible industries, won't collapse and fade before we get to actually useful, intelligent, complex AIs to help us to stabilize. Among many other things, AI may become a blessing for very deep and effective individual teaching, the best one available for a young (or any) person, with infinite patience and high adaptability, and in the near future, high reliability and intelligence. Hallucinations are being worked on and are mostly fixable, the goal is to get them to at least somewhat better than a good human expert's level. But while we humans spend large parts of our lives learning to get very professional in something, AI with enough access to high quality (as correct as possible) data, energy and best hardware, can potentially become proficient in everything in months or years. For now, the main hurdle on the way to getting better AIs is not enough hardware performance, but from what I learned about the already existing tech, large companies' plans and the industry's needs and investments that accelerate the movement in that direction, in a ~decade to two, hardware will get fast enough for basically magical things with AI, and much faster in general context too. AI can also soon become a blessing in medicine, at first only for diagnosing sicknesses; many years later, - for more. And blessing in hard and skilled labor automation, but from what I see, it will come later, in a decade or two, if we manage to keep our industries for the cutting-edge technologies and production going. It's interesting how right about the time we are getting close to cliff, a technology is emerging that has the potential to help overcome it. Although, human societies and economies will have to be re-structured a LOT, and we are very bad at it for many reasons.
People think that is economic reasons why people are not having babies. No its not. Countries that makes more babies are the ones that are also the poorest. Its not money its culture
The poorest also have children as the parents labor force and pensions plans. Malcolm Collins said that once the country averages 5000 USD per year or more, birth rates drop.
It's the availability of birth control and for women to even have a voice in all this. And for sure it's economical, for very many people, who want (more) children, state that they cannot afford them. Those rich countries aren't as rich as they were. Sure, the salary is high. But have you seen the costs of living? It's gone up enormously.
Let billionaires populate the earth. They're the only ones who can afford it!
Unless you're a "refugee" 👍😎👌
Absolutely right about that .
Nah, we taking them with us.
The only reason they care is because they realize they won't have workers to take advantage of
The media convinces people they need things so they buy them…but now people are giving up children for things. Have children and give up the junk you don’t need.
To expensive to live. Why make babies when you can't even live as a single person 😕
Rich people don’t care they just need our children to become slave workers for them.
Bingo you get it.
That's a good point
Because line must go up on wall street!
It has been this bad and worse in the past. Inflation doesn’t last forever.
People simply can’t afford to have lots of kids anymore in the first world unless they are wealthy. In my country of Australia young people can’t even afford to buy a home, so starting a large family is totally out of the question.
So why are they breeding well in dirt poor countries?
Same in India too
Anything that puts up the cost of housing is anti-babymaking. Immigration puts up the cost of housing.
Compulsory superannuation is anti-babymaking. We have to pay for our retirement instead of raising a family.
No blame, on demand divorce forces middle-aged women into poverty. I have intelligent daughters who have good jobs. They won't be passing on their genes to another generation.
We have a system of eugenics that favours the genes of those who can't compete in the labour market. The less successful must choose between the poverty of unemployment or the poverty of single motherhood.
@@braxxian Why you must buy an home in the first place? By the way, there is a reason why houses in your country are so pricy, because it's an amazing country with great quality of life and job opportunities, so if houses were cheap half the planet would try to immigrate there... and that would rise the cost of houses.
@barondino4628 various factors.
supply and demand with not enough house built to keep up with increasing population.
Tax incentives that prioritise investment properties over owner occupied.
Ultra low interest rates have help drive a massive increase in prices as people could obtain larger Mortages.
While there really isn't a quick fix it looks like prices are starting to plateau or even fall little in some of the capitals.
" if you believe in infinite growth on a finite planet, you either a madman or an economist...." (David Attenbourogh)
They are capitalists 😊
Being pregnant is a huge burden on women. Sickness for 3 months or more, back pain, breast pain, stomach pain, stretch marks. Then giving birth, which is frankly, a terrifying and agonising experience. You panick as you think you will never manage to get it out. Mostly the baby rips you down there on its way out. In many countries you are lucky if you are offered pain relief. You have to sit on a rubber ring for the 1st few days after delivery whilst you painfully heal & dread going to the bathroom. Then there are other pregnancy related dangers like pre-eclampsia and gestational diabetes. Breast feeding is no walk in the park either.
On the economic side, the woman often suffers reduced earnings or stops work completely for a while & never regains her form career standing.
Then on the domestic front most of the boring mundane unpaid chores fall to the women.
Why are these governments surprised the birth rates are falling given all of the above?
They don’t care. We are here to birth their slaves in their minds
Exactly. Economists, demographers, etc think women are stupid beasts who will continue, after getting access to birth control, to give birth frequently for some bizarre reason no one understands and are shocked when women don't do that. LOL. They are truly truly stupid!!
@@revoroad1789 then the dad has to pay for it all for if he is lucky the next 18 years.
@@TheRaiderman1 Good, this would teach him a lesson to not reproduce.
With all due respect. Are you people all insane?
Here in Denmark the birthdate is also falling and we have some of the most progressive policies for women and families in the world.
They obviously don't want to admit that.
Yeah but maybe that’s not the reason. Maybe you may disagree, and feel free to as I’d love to know your perspective, but y’all don’t venture to meet many people outside your social group that you’ve known for years and years. Every Dane I’ve ever met while being intelligent, polite, and overall pretty cool, seemed to not venture to really get to know people as they seemed to already have a set social circle.
@@angelinimartini what does that have to do with the birthrate? And how does that explain the rest of the world’s dropping birth rate? Americans are some of the most outgoing people and their birth rate is dropping too.
@@pollutingpenguin2146 I think that could be a contributing factor. And just like many other places in the world, we have a loneliness epidemic. People don’t know how to make friends in real life. Therefore they don’t form romantic relationships or don’t know how to keep them going.
Denmark is super expensive. The cost of living is crazy. Especially with all the old people living in massive houses alone that they refuse to vacate. Germany has the same problem. The cost of Housing is the number one problem in the west. Nobody wants to admit that. Because house prices dropping would screw up the financial system.
We need a land value tax.
Edcuated smart People will only have kids if they can provide for them it's not to have 7 so 2 can survive into adulthood. It's to have 2 so 2 can thrive and have all the opportunity others kids have.
Rich people have a lot of children because they can afford it. Also the poor, because they can't afford it. The tragedy is that the class of real working people who create goods and services is dying out. They are educated and smart, but they only earn enough to survive.
@@pawetulski7115 Pass a can't feed 'em don't breed 'em law and hand out Darwin Awards.
bro in subsaharan Africa they have like 6 kids per family on average and are dead broke. The problem with educated people not having is is simply a cultural one. It's too much work for them.
@@pickler_pickler They are broke, but kids are profitable due to subsistence farming.
@@pickler_picklerin Africa they are free labour. In developed nations they are a massive cost. That’s why we are not having children. It would mean a drastic reduction in our ability to survive. I don’t have an extra 100 euros every month never mind 1000 euros.
I will never be able to buy my own home, I can not even get a loan to buy a car, never mind a house.
The problem with the educated middle class is that they understand the repercussion’s of having children. And the same as any expense, they calculate the cost vs benefits. The poor are stupid and don’t know better and the ultra rich don’t care as it makes no difference to their life.
If governments want us to have children, especially millennials, they need to support us. I don’t want free money. I have never taken a dime from the government. I want an environment that makes it easier to have children. Starting with affordable housing. Removing legislation that prevents housing from being build. Remove the powers NIMBYs have. And reduce lead times for permits to be issued.
In my country of Germany it’s impossible to build affordable housing,
With all due respect to Elon Musk and Jordan Peterson, a declining birthrate is a boon for the working class and while it will cost the elite a bit, they can afford it. Other pluses, less pollution, better treatment of animals, fewer wars. History verifies all of this, too.
They despise the working class and want to see them suffer just like in the victorian era
@@Lucy-goosy411 I don't know about them, but I do think the working class no longer has a party representing their interests. Clinton's 300 plus trade agreements, bolstered totalitarian regimes, destroyed American industries and jobs, and enriched corporations, stock holders, and, of course, the Dems. The only politico that I think I could happily vote for is Tulsi Gabbard, but I'd need to know a bit more about some of her economic positions.
The respect is not due imo
Move to a city that is shrinking and tell me a declining birth rate is a good thing
We'll never hit 10B. We'll likely never hit 9B. This drop will happen soon and will faster than anyone thinks.
Good
Sensational😊
Wonderful!
Outstanding!
What they said ⬆️ 🫶✌️
Less people on our planet sounds fine to me.We really need to protect our resources.
For whom ? For immigrants?
And we need to protect wildlife and nature and other sentient beings.
@@pawetulski7115 screw immigrants
A blessing. If the population continues to grow as it has in the past decades it will collapse in brutal ways (starvation, wars, diseases). All resources are exhaustible.
It's collapsing too quickly though. *29%* of Japan is *65+!* A lot of industrialized countries are aging out quickly. If the fertility rate is 1.6 kids per woman, then every generation will be 25% smaller than the previous one, and a lot of countries have a smaller fertility rate.
The population is growing in countries that care about the planet and all ecological issues. Countries that discourage having children due to ecology and high costs are dying out.
Not true it is this thinking that got you here
It could be a manageable if our economic system wasn't a literal ponzi scheme dependant upon perpetual growth to service mounting debts from decades of irresponsible fiscal policy. As it stands now, however, it can and will crash the entire world's economy, which in turn, will likely kill millions more people as wars and famine spread across lesser development countries. Hell, the global system of trade set up after WW2 that basically every country relies on will likely fall apart, making things worse, as it's entirely dependent upon the US Navy's ability to project itself.
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You people keep talking about money instead of talking about having babies, this is where money is the root of all evil. You are going extinct because of the greed for money.🇺🇸
The climate is warming. The aquafers are drying up. Species are going extinct at a rapid rate. Topsoil is being washed into our rivers and out to sea. Our forests are disappearing. And some people want more people??? They are crazy. Literally crazy.
You won't say that when you're too old to work pal
Global economic model is built on infinite growth in a finite world. Here lies all the problems since it is essentially a ponzie system. Instead of changing our economic model to a sustainable one, the elites want to continue down this path. It's great that the other side of this discussion is finally being addressed.
because of greed
Malcolm Collins is the only one of the speakers here to adopt a realistic and appropriately alarmist attitude towards this unavoidable issue. Attempting to reverse demographic decline in modern industrialised economies is akin to attempting to alter the trajectory of a very large Earth-bound asteroid - you really have to start trying *at least* 20 years ago.
I agreed, but look at the dumb comments below this video. So many people think it's not a problem and they are very wrong.
This demographic decline in youth numbers is going to hit the universities very very hard in the next 10 years. They are going to be fighting for students, so we’re going to see a huge shrinkage in students and eventually closures of colleges and universities. And then we’re going to see scrambling for any new workers to be brought into a company. Companies are going to have to start serious apprenticeship programs to be able to attract and keep well trained employees.
this is good new
Good. About time supply and demand favored the commoner.
We don't need more woke universities
Europe and East Asia are already seeing it hit hard as so many schools and kindergartens in those 2 regions are closing due to lack of students caused by a steep decline in the number of children in those regions
Great news about universities! Tertiary education has already been dumbed down (at least in places like Australia and Canada) where anyone can get a degree and you cannot fail. Vice chancellors are now on over 1 million per year in salary in Australia. Many universities just take foreign student money and the students can’t even speak English yet somehow graduate with a Masters In Finance or Engineering or nursing. University should only be for the brightest people and courses like Accounting shouldn’t even be taught at university level.
It's a blessing. So many are currently struggling as is just to take care of themselves, why bring another life into an already dreary situation? I say, I'd rather regret having them then not having them. I am in the US and not only is it too expensive, but its not safe and the same people I see screaming " Have more babies" will be the same ones to criticize others for having a baby in poverty. Maybe if it wasn't so expensive and other facfors being brought to light maybe folks would consider kids.
wow. Clear misunderstanding regarding inverted population pyramids. Lets just say, if youre 30 and under, you'll be changing a lot of diapers in your future employment - adult diapers.
Its better to be a good "aunt" or "uncle" to family or friends kids.
Wait, you are in UA-cam! Not sure if you know this, but not only there is a title with a question, there is also a video you can watch about it if you click play!
A blessing and a curse. Workers become valued because they do the actual work and the lazy managers have to work and they are worthless.
Workers MUST own and control the means of production.
Are workers going to risk their capital to finance its creation as well?@TonyMidyett
The claim that we should not worry about the fertility rate and only focus on the elderly when it comes to policy making is a sure way to put our heads into the sand.
Worry about the boomer generation that caused all this mess to begin with.
Yep. Old people have had time to get their affairs in order for themselves and have time to vote. Kids aren’t allowed to vote, and young adults are too busy trying to survive to vote, especially if they’ve had even one kid! And so all the policies favor the elderly… 🤦♀️
We probably will focus way too much on the elderly in the near future and I can't help be see that as accelerating down a dead end road that ends at a cliff.
In the US the elderly already take up more than half of the US federal budget via social security and healthcare. There are noble reasons for this, compassionate reasons, reasons that are easy to understand. But I think that once you understand the scale of fertility collapse and what it entails, it's hard to see this massive investment in the elderly as a prudent use of resources.
@@austinduke8876it’s the same all over the developed world. Countries run by the old. We need to change the voting system. Parents should have 1 extra vote for each child under 18. To represent their interests. It would mean a much fairer society where everyone has a voice.
@@MoDa87 it’d help some things, but all we’d have are richer, non-fertile young people. Until you address the disincentive to breed in the developed world, it doesn’t matter.
Babies are a hot potato and SOMEONE will have to hold it.
This is really what this is all about: who is gonna do the unpaid work of child rearing?
Only a nightmare for WALL STREET!
Why? It is better for them. Less young people means less new companies, as older people are more risk averse. Less consumers, no space for new companies. No new companies means less competition, that rises margins of the current companies.
I'm happy without kids
I'm happier now I have kids
Who will love and care for you when you become elderly?
@@CalebKennizzitekids are not your retirement plan and it is usually FEMALE relatives that step up as usual. Maybe the world needs to start appreciating women a bit more.
@@CalebKennizzitehow many people are in nursing homes dying alone all while having kids!? The majority of them have kids and yet, they're alone. So STFU about this.
@@CalebKennizzite That's no reason to have a child
It's only causing alarm for those few that consider us sheep to be sheared.
The cost of living is too expensive
I live in the US. Kids are too expensive and I cant afford them.
I know... It's expensive
Good point
Have you ever heard of a concept such as sacrifice in the present for the future? You can't afford not to have kids, but you will probably realize this way too late when you are old, without pension, and without anyone to care for you.😢
@@edytatehrani3934 Really, so they should be raised in poverty so they can take care of me later? Without kids I have fewer expenses, and hence more money to put into an IRA.
@@edytatehrani3934 What part of theres no MONEY don't you get?
Population decline just offers different challenges than exponential growth presents. We will adjust
Agreed. Less people will be good for the planet. We simply need to adjust our thunking and economy.
We really just need to make sure it happens gradually as it does need to decline.
Too steep a decline tho… and it’s going to get VERY ugly before it gets better.
@@Willsmiff1985 I don’t know how you do that. One of the biggest culprits is lack of marriage or even hooking up. Women want men that make more than them and a lot of them make 6 figures. Our whole Mating selection system is out of touch with or roots
@@braxxianyou’re not gonna rethink your way out of having no one left to grow food or provide you with medical care. You’re just gonna die.
I think the smarter women are adjusting. I dated for 27 years after 18 and several were high aceheivers including doctors, executives and scientists. I was college educated making 100k on average and they made much more. A smart hardworking dude can get these women but they will require a prenup if marrige comes up. The young low earner women are the gold diggers. The well off ones don’t care that much within reason.
I married a psychologist 1st wife and manager engineer 2nd wife. They both made more than me and enjoyed my wit, intelligence and the unselfishness I displayed. So don’t write them off.
It’s absurd to think we need to keep growing at the same rate when the population is 10times what it has ever been in the past.
The issue is how to stop shrinkage becoming a cliff.
I just found out the human population back in the 90s was just 5 billion.🫨
Now it's 8 billion!? 🤯
@@Shikuesi maybe once you actually see it declining. It could stop completely for 20 years and we would still have about 3 billion fertile humans to start breeding again. Come on, use your common sense.
There's more of us, but the proportion of *elderly* people is higher than ever before.
We are here to populate the world. You are so illiterate to think the opposite.
Financial incentives cannot compete with childlessness, for a couple's prosperity.
Bad news for consumer Products Corporations !
Excellent news for Jane and Joe Doe... Freeways, airports, downtown less crowded, less sprawl, less trash and pollution 😊
But also less money to maintain them.
Shrinking population is good for monopoly.
@M43782
Hello
Could you please explain : less millions of people make monopolies easier to exist ?
What's the formula or equation ?
Old people can't work so they don't produce, they don't consume much so the economy will shrink, and they need welfare paid by young working age people's taxes. Good luck trying to keep your country going while the population age.
Across the western world, we don't have housing for the people we've got. Young people feel like they're living in a declining, dog eat dog hell world, no way they're having more kids. Build robots to care for the old or automate other jobs so the remaining people can. Fewer people means we won't have to pave Yellowstone and Central Park to make room for giant apartment towers. Growth was never going to last forever. As for the growth of repressive cultures, that's what modern automated weapons are for. Those are the reason women got rights in the first place, because they freed societies from the malthusian competititve trap.
This is why I often say if rights for women lower birth rates, export those rates.
Indeed, unending growth is unsustainable and sheer stupidity.
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Cost of housing is the number 1 reason why we can not afford children. It keeps going up.
Less polution ..clean rivers lakes
And no humans, or barely surviving humans, devolved into beings driven by their primary needs. Watch for those wolfs or bears trying to have you for supper
It's going how its suppose to go.
Supposed to go? lol like there's a plan out there that intense to have 50 elderly people in one nursing home for every nurse
Great plan
Be the change you want to see and either have loads of kids or delete yourself before you become an old aged burden on the system.
@@notbob8252 So what's wrong with that???
@@notbob8252 As opposed to 50 pregnant woman & 50 newborn babies per nurse?
Earth will look for balance . No trend goes on the same way forever . Human beings will adapt accordingly.
Another thing to consider is our health care systems across the world. Most people can't afford to see a doctor and some of them will die because of it.The processed food industry is causing type 2 diabetes and fatty liver disease in younger folks decreasing life span for future generations.
Add to that genetically inherited health diseases from parents or their siblings and previous ancestors like diabetes, cancer. Human life is tolerable only as long as each organ of human body works fine.
In india if you want to keep your kid in a competitive school that also focuses on personality and all round focus, then the school fees for one year will be as much as the whole 14 years of previous generations school fees....crazy out there
I often say why get stuck in cram school so you can afford to ripe someone out of perfect nonexistence and imprison them in cram school?
Feel bad for both parents and kids.
Americans are buying these $30,000 houses and living in Japan there are no jobs at these houses, but if you’re a tech savvy, you can take advantage of the situation
Population decline being bad or good, depends on what we make of it. Even if the current population fell 75%, I don't think that will lead to extinction of humans. I also suspect that most countries birth rates will decline in the next 20-30 years that will be similar to where South Korea is now. Based on current politics, economics etc., this is set in stone. I expect this to continue to be the case till early 2100's. What happens after that is too difficult to forecast.
Amen. 🙏
That's assuming the ratio of retirees to tax payers does not economically crush us first.
@@nepsyasudra3262 Time to change the economic system then to account for technological advances and different demographics.
@@nepsyasudra3262 Why just the ratio of retirees to taxpayers? Workers don't just support retirees. They support children and the adults whose care of children, prevents them from being economically productive They support the unemployed and the sick and disabled.
In the 1970s, women stopped having so many babies and became taxpayers themselves, which created an unnaturally high ratio of worker/taxpayers to dependents.
@@nepsyasudra3262there will be no pension system in the long run. I don’t expect to get a pension from the state.
Corporate politicians talk more concern about the effects being child free has on an economy than they do the human condition... While feigning ignorance to the real reasons.
Breeding like flies won't help in a situation where there are less jobs available due to automation. More like, we cannot afford a fixed age for pension anymore, but it should be based on assessing individual health/work capability. Some with the financial means can obviously retire early.
How's the sand down there?
Mass immigration is already insanely high in the main developed countries
Japan is developed economy #3, and never took un UE and EU bait.
Even underdeveloped countries are starting to have low fertility rates.
@@oscarparedes4033We need as 20 year ban only then allow people to have them. Children will grow up and make labor competition so bad even more than now, and they will just be exploited
And has it fixed anything? Has it improved the quality of life for everyone in host countries?
@@edytatehrani3934. The supposed purpose was to lower labor costs while the middle class is phased out from AI and robotics. Then there will be a less questioning lower class that has replaced the aspiring middle class. I hate Marxism but this was class warfare by the elites. They want an international lower class that has no national affiliation for a global economy. They can be moved around as desired.
There is no population Crisis not at all
There is only workers and slaves crisis 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly and they threaten to automat everyone's jobs. Forget it.
True … but those “workers /slaves” you’re referring to support everyone not just the rich . We all rely on healthcare to stay alive , waste removal to stay clean , tradespeople to live in safe homes etc
@@realnailstory That's the thing that most don't seem to understand, and it does not only concern the now, but also the future
Governments seem to think they can solve this problem by making small changes at the margins. Tweak a tax here, offer a subsidy there. Economistic thinking at its finest.
At its root the problem is cultural: the economistic thinking framework that governments use is itself the problem.
The Russian oligarchs are said to pay the Eastern Orthodox church to make childbearing more valuable. It has had very little effect.
@@skylinefever The Russians are already thinking about preventing women from going to university and also tying your pension to the number of children you had, if you didn't have any children, you don't get a pension in old age. They also want to introduce a childless tax
If Musk thinks the declining birthrate is bad, then it must be a good thing.
No is not it means we are going to extinct
It’s bad for capitalists. Less consumers and less workers to make them rich. Less demand on housing.
They don’t want to make the changes required to increase birth rates. Like making life easier for young people. People who are educated but have a low income don’t have children.
It's a blessing...at last!!
Billionares will always fear this because they will lose power and value of money l😅
he has plenty of kids.... but IT IS VERY BAD for the rest of us!!
What is also so understated is the gender imbalance in many countries that are seeing their populations surge. The rates of girls being aborted in India and Pakistan are high. It’s even higher among those who have immigrated to North America where abortion is legal and socially accepted. These sex imbalances will lead to decline of these religious and ethnic groups in the coming century.
Not really you can't find out the gender of your child in these countries.
@@shahankhan7685 in India it’s illegal but still happens. Many move to Canada before trying to have children so they have the option to abort their girls. The Sikh schools here are filled with mostly boys and hardly any girls. The very religious Indian and Pakistani Muslims also do the same. All of this is happening because Canada is so expensive and these people can only afford to have ONE or TWO children MAX.
@@shahankhan7685 Just because something is illegal doesn't mean people find a way around it.
@@jameslascelle9453then they need to accept homosexuality
ALL countries have gender imbalances
It’s a blessing.
Not being social and getting out to meet other's could be a problem. When you are isolated it makes social anxiety a real issue. It is easier for some to create a social algorithm in a virtual world than live in the real world. Plus, more families are living together because corps are buying up residential areas and making the housing market skyrocket. Furthermore, people are working continuously and have no time to even think about being in a relationship much less adding children into the mix. I have had women say, why would I bring children into this messed up world.
I don't believe in 'evil corporations' that make housing expensive. It is usually because some local residents (probably boomers) don't want to build more, as they want faster appreciation of their property, for example.
In queue processing systems, the queue grows if the rate of consumption slows down. Compared with population, that is similar to decrease in death rate. However, each item in this "queue (a person)" has a finite TTL (time to live) - lets say 100 years max. So naturally, the "queue" will grow, but if the rate of replacement does not keep up, it will come down once "items" in the queue hit the TTL expiration time. What it means though is that at some point in the future the rates may balance out where the population will be stable, living longer and better, but will be much smaller than now. So this actually gives some reasons for cautious optimism. The time frame for this is probably 2100 - 2200.
It is not the problem it is being made out to be. It is more of a market correction. We saw the same thing during the Great Depression, when life was very much a hand-to-mouth proposition and having kids was the last thing on people’s minds.
Once production and reproduction match each other, equilibrium will follow
The problem is the whole population problem is seeing from a man or male dominant perspective. If you want to correct this you need to ask women young women, not older women and not religious fanatics. What is the best thing to do in order for them to have children at their appropriate ages. Which means they will be having children in the late teens, the 20s, 30s wow attending schools. So them and their offspring would need a lot of help from the family and the government also for them not to be condemned for having children without having the economic means to raise them.
Somebody with sense!!! WOW 😊
Religious fanatics that control women’s lives are some of the only groups that have high birthrates and are still growing quickly worldwide. Giving women control of their lives paradoxically causes lower birthrates and leads to that group being outnumbered by the fanatics.
Yup, society will have to find a way to make motherhood and personal fulfillment/security compatible rather than cheating by assuming women can only find fulfillment through motherhood. Especially when motherhood comes with exclusively financial/physical/costs, no benefits. Motherhood should at least come with the honor, pay, benefits, cultural relevance of military service. If not, people can stop talking about it as a resource or duty.
The East still think only men can hold property thus why China one child policy was such an issue and now they are facing the consequences of that and good. The west it’s cost of living and no incentive to have kids when capitalism wants more workers then thriving citizens
We are over 7 billion and need to be back below 4 billion again. The world is nearly twice the population, cars and plastic and chemical products than when i was growing up.
Not having children, adopting unwanted children, and reducing our non-natural, non-biodegradable consumption, is necessary for the earth's healthy future.
You just missed a tiny billion.
Issac Asimov wrote "The Caves of Steel" in 1953, envisioning a grossly overpopulated planet Earth 3000 years in the future where people were forced to live in steel domes in layers underground like ants.
In that book the population of the planet had reached 8 billion (it was only around 2 billion when the novel was written)
Its kinda mind blowing that today the planet has well over 8 billion people and will reach 10 billion by 2050.......
it's not a blessing to have children in these time
No one deserves to begin a life rampant with violence and oppression
There is enough land for everyone. Greed is the problem.
i lived in a overcrowded state and then moved to a underpopulated state and my quality of live improved significantly. i will never go back to that hell hole
Ofcourse its a blessing. Asking people to eat less meat, fly less, drive less etc is not good. High competition for good jobs is not good. If you increase jobs and don’t ask people to give up meat/flying/driving etc then people will have kids again. No one likes so much competition for everything be it job, driving, etc
It’s funny when parents take childfree people personally or think everyone should have children. Wouldn’t parents not want everyone to have children as it means less competition and more resources for their own kids? But no.. they often take childfree people as a personal attack and think their lives are worthless for not procreating, when clearly it’s the opposite- more resources for those who do procreate. It’s a community service not to breed
Childless people travel more, consume more.
But who is going to flip my hamburger?
But who is going to wipe my butt when I am in a retirement home?
One can buy precooked patties and then stick them in the microwave.
Sometimes you, until you retire from work at age 85. Then it will be only you, since all others are still at work.
Thank you to the professor from the University of Maryland. @7:04 he talks about the constant growth mindset that is unsustainable. Why do we need economic growth? How about a sustainable economy? What, the billionaires won't get richer?
Malcom talked about that as well. New economic strategies and models.
I think of the work of Mark Fisher and his philosophical question of imagining a world BEYOND capitalism. That is possibly where the solution to all this lies.
Africans are still having large families and not all the children are being educated.
They're not really families trust me, there's a lot of single motherhood, probably like 50 or 60%. and that's one of the main reasons why African societies are so backward and violent, i would rather a woman be childless than a single mother, and am not talking about single mothers whose husbands died, but women who have children out of wedlock and the men abandon them
They are starving. Nigeria is desperate to reduce the birth rate
@@briellebardot5252 Nigerians are invading Europe, especially the UK. Some are doctors that Nigeria can't afford to lose.
Closer analysis reveals that it isn’t a result of families having fewer children, decreased birthrate is largely driven by a rapid increase in childlessness. That can be a choice, or it can be a result of lack of choice.
Start treating married women and mothers better. Give them priority in job hiring. and make 100% of child costs reimbursed.
They won't. As a childfree woman I can't ever picture mothers getting the respect they deserve. Society is still in the mindset that motherhood is a resource they can take for granted.
Why should you all get any priority in terms of job hiring? Got any rare skills?
Serious question: Did the guy in the glasses take a snort of something before this was filmed?
His thinking is like 20 steps ahead of yours
Speed is a heck of a drug.
Passionate thinker
No one knows why. I do. But y'all don't listen to women.
yeah over 6 foot tall husbands only
@@President_NotSure no actually it's not. That has literally nothing to do with it.
Why?
Why must we listen to you?
Our goal should not to increase the population or to create a vast workforce of unskilled laborers. With 8 billion people already inhabiting the planet, aiming for a sustainable population of 4 billion would alleviate strain on resources and the environment.
Instead of focusing on quantity, we should prioritize quality. By cultivating teams of educated individuals, we empower ourselves to tackle critical challenges such as climate change, the transition to renewable energy, the fight against cancer, space research and the quest to extend human life. A smaller, more educated population is better equipped to innovate and collaborate on solutions for a healthier planet and a brighter future.
Focusing on population control and quality education not only improves the human experience but also contributes to a more sustainable relationship with our environment. Only problem we are seeing is countries that have resources to educate people are not replacing their population while with countries with less resources are producing more.
My proposal is to have more free time. A 5 day workweek is unnecessary now. Move it down to 2 and a half days
A shorter work week would be one of the best ways to reduce oil consumption.
In the past, every child who died before reaching sexual maturity, would have on average prevented many future people being born (especially if the child was female). When infant mortality was reduced however, millions of lineages were created by the extra people who survived to reproduce. Infant mortality kept society at stable population levels since societies started farming about 15,000 years ago, but when that problem was largely resolved, the population exploded over time (as many new successive generations produced by those additional people arose).
The two gentlemen, who are the experts I’d like to know how many children they have. because when I watch these things, usually the people who are talking about this have absolutely no children, but they’re sounding the alarms. Either too many children or not enough.
I know Malcolm has 4 and will go on to get at least 7. He puts his money where his mouth is.
We need less people not more
Once the social security funds are depleted, old age will be miserable for those without extended families to help. Then the birth rate will naturally increase because larger families will mean security in old age. Right now in most countries, more children means a lower standard of living because of all the money spent on raising children.
As was the understanding just two generations ago, 6-7 children were average with infant mortality going on in the past.
Or, one can be prudent in their spending and plan for their retirement, which is a much more effective way of of going about it than having children and expecting them to take care of you
@@devilsadvocacy Hello, money can't take care of you in your old age, someone else's children have to take care of you even if you didn't have children. you can have all the money in the world but if there aren't any young workers to take care of you then the money becomes useless. imagine if we all stopped having children and saved all our money, then who will we pay that money to to take care of us when we are 80 years old if everyone is childless
@@wamnicho I don’t know about you, but if I get to a point where I can no longer care for myself is when I start planning my exit. I’m not nearly so selfish, despite what people say, that I would ever become a burden on anybody
@@wamnicho euthanasia is a thing and it's probs better than becoming a prisoner in an old and frail body
Seeing the comments its very clear most of humanity does not want kids.
👍 I never did.
You base that on that part of the population, that has the time and energy to watch this. 🤣
The alarmist starts yelling....😂
There are too many people. If the population reaches 4 bilion there are still enough people and none of the countrys will disapear. And the nature will be slowly cured.
This interview was insufferable. The only educated dude kept getting interrupted. We’ve heard the same blasè semi-educated opinions of the other two, but for the love of god stop interrupting the guy that actually knows what he’s talking about. Who gives a F if he talks fast. Increasing quality of life will only make the TFR go down. The dude was right. Governments will start to go to extreme measures to save their populations, especially autocratic countries like Russia Iran and China. They will disallow women’s education, contraception, and employment. THAT is the trend we’re heading towards.
Not the dumb BS the lady was spewing about “higher quality of life increases birth rates.”
Exactly. The panel is too dumb to recognize that he's right.
The problem is capitalism and our obsession with economic growth and consumerism. Our model is very short-sighted, and we've put one kind of growth (economic) ahead of a much more important growth (population). In the short term, it's very bad for the economy to take people out of the workforce in order to make babies. But that will inevitably lead to a smaller and older population. We've made the bed we'll lie in. But we can turn it around if we stop obsessing on the economy. Becoming even richer wont make people more prone to have babies, if at the same time everything also becomes more expensive. In reality, it's only the elites that enjoy most of the riches. I think that ultimately we have to move to a completely new way to organize society, where people are allowed to live and enjoy life, and where those that want to have children feel that they can, without being punished by the economy.
Focusing on quality of life will inherently solve all population problems.
It’s certainly a wonderful blessing for Planet Earth! Less air and water pollution. Less strip mining and habitat destruction! Less Deforestation! Less Desertification! Less over fishing! Less extinction of plants and animals! Elon embarrasses himself every time he opens his mouth. He obviously doesn’t think very deeply about things!
People aren’t the problem, per se.
The real problem is unnecessary and ostentatious consumption.
As they say, “Our wants are many; our needs are few”.
You know what the real kick in the nuts is?? The guy who clearly doesn’t think 😂 some how managed to build a net worth of 200 Billion dollars and a critical thinker like yourself didn’t!
@@jmseipp sadly the elites will still do that not because the should but can since there is no one to stop them.
@@CalebKennizzite Childless people are usually led life with ostentatious consumption.
if people are just needed because to fight wars and ponzi scheme economy. no thanks. they can have that future.
For most, not having children isn't a choice......it's a necessity.
I love how they talk about every thing other than the real issues.
2:43 I had two full time jobs. One as an engineer, one as a parent. Both jobs benefited the economy. Only one job gave me pay and benefits.
If population does decline then governments will have to absolutely abandoned the idea that taxes pay for things, otherwise they will be stuck in a austerity death spiral, the US has largely abandoned it for now, but unfortunately a lot of the deficit spending is highly regressive since a large part of it is going to the top thanks to interest rates payments .
governments will collapse and new societies will arise based on race and nationalism
Declining population is a good thing we humans should live in small tribes hunting for survival i think we are happier that way even if it means shorter and harder life i think its more revarding.
We need fewer people.
So start with yourself. Set a good example.
My mother was a colonel in the army. She had four children. She got her college degree after she had four children. And she was a wife or is the wife because she still alive. You can do all of it and women do. my grandmother worked and had five children, but my grandmother who did not work and who had six children was the one living in poverty in her old age. She had no Social Security, no pension nothing.
The only way to improve brith rate is have a verry good wealth redistribution system.
China was communist, they still had a one child law.
Europe has the lowest wealth inequality of any region, yet very low birth rates. 3rd world countries have high birth rates and also very high wealth inequality on top of being poor
Oooohhhh! The climate is coming to get us. Better watch out.
😂👍indeed, people believe global warming is the biggest problem. This "problem" is just beginning.
People have no idea that most of these arguments are antinatalist. 2 people are talking about immutable culture, good luck. Kids are a liability and that's why everyone tries to get rid of them. In south korea, people have been offered $75k and men are refusing. No men should sign up for that type of servitude
South Korea has an absent work-life balance. Let them do something about that, so he's not too exhausted to get Mr. Johnson up at night.
Give people more purchasing power for stable families and they will have children. Keep pretending that money is not the issue and shrink to extinction.
I just say if the Cleetuses and Trayyvon Jr's stopped cranking out Brawndo drinkers, what would be the loss?
The problem is Cletus' and especially Trayvon's are fathering WAY too many children that will almost never be productive members of society.
In all likelihood the children will end up repeating the cycle and being a drag on the system.
Lol
The decline allow demand for better work benefits & higher pay for workers. Housing prices will be cheaper since you there will be less demand for them.
Everyone in here is commenting without having watched the video or made an attempt at independent thought. Chronic, sustained low birth rates don't show up until the large generations start dying off. Then you have more retirees than working age adults, putting a burden on tax payers and government programs as the problem compounds itself for future generations. Meanwhile, the sudden drop in population is also leading to low revenue for utilities, possibly resulting in failure of electricity and water in hollowed out communities.
This is a problem that will hit the common man far harder than the rich.
Well i have an idea. A very 1950 idea. It worked.
-Afforable housing.
-One salary in a "normal" job (not super blue collar jobs) that allows a family to raise two kids.
-Job security and great demand for new employes on those jobs.
If you can make those, families and kids will raise again...not like in the 50s but it will increase.
Good points. Those will most certainly help, when they are all in place together.
Life is hard enough for rich people, do why would anyone bring a soul to this world to live in poverty?.
Who is going to pay the taxes is 1 issue; but who's going buy the goods we want to produce is another. Taxes are based on income, Social Security is based on income. If we have fewer people buying the products we're producing the whole system collapses. As far as immigrant supplying the need, most of them are not educated. It costs $$$$ to educate a population. Bringing in immigrants with no education only fills the lowest level jobs.
Those jobs Are the first ones to open up... Can't find an electrician or a plumber nowadays. And who's willing to work in the care of the elderly?
I need to think of reuse and recycle just like the earth you reuses and recycle. Not use and throw away or creating chemicals and materials and even foods that are dangerous for our health and the environment and using energy that does not leave dangerous after effects radiation for nuclear carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide for gas and oil and then the other one I can’t remember butthat’s not the cheapest quality. And we also need to. I hate to say it but rich people need to be taxed at a higher rate to support this.
We need to find systems to help people be able to raise children economically so that the population can go down at a slow enough rate that there is not an excess shortage in caregivers and other essential fields such as educators, healthcare workers, and trades people for the population. Additionally we need to better educate people to do jobs and careers there are shortages in. We need to better help those who are low income or who do not have a stable home life. A higher success rate for our younger generations will help the economy and the world. People long term can choose how many kids they want or don't want and if we made the right financial incentives to have kids more people would. The number of people who want kids today but cannot afford it is disheartening to the U.S. economy and many other economies around the world. If you want to help the future workforce go mentor people, support people, and do not sit idly by as any problem is all of our faults. We all live on this planet and are part of the problem. The good news is that we can all be part of the solution.
The cost of housing is the number one reason why we are not having children. We simply can not afford a bigger space. We are even moving back in with my parents in another country, so we can try to save money to not be poor all the time.
I don’t want to raise children in a tiny rented apartment.
Feminist are celebrating
As we should you’ve all taken the great sacrifice ever mother makes who are the POOREST and most abused demographic in the world for granted.
Religion and government can no longer bully women into having the goldmine for the few to benefit from -no thanks.
She lives in a mansion and drives a nice car. She does no work. She just utters the nonsense. She was taught in the school that she thinks is an education yet she wants to talk about fair distribution of resources. Well, the people who worked to make her life material better make pennies on the dollar compared to what she makes, she’s going to be the arbiter of what fair
Perhaps the governments should implement something like the more children you have the less taxes you pay to help supplement the family income to support the family
They already do that
@@Missy35249 yes but it’s not enough to give you an incentive to have several kids I’m talking about overhauling the program that’s in place and make it worthwhile to have more kids. The time is now not when the population has shrunk and there’s less available women to have kids the time is now from what the are predicting for 2050 it will be the biggest population decrease
No
Balance. Sub Sahara is exploding with population growth and no jobs
Blessing, we need a change. The great reset of all markets.
The point is, this type of rapid reduction in population will collapse a lot of systems we have in place which will cause chaos for people who aren’t already wealthy.
Maybe they should find a job.
@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman There might be plenty of jobs that need doing but we might find ourselves in a position where no one actually has the skills or know how to do them properly or at all. Loss of knowledge and skills always happens during population collapse historically and now we have considerably larger and more complex systems that require specialized education or training and we already have a crisis of competence in many fields and things have been breaking down for a while now.
It may have some short term downsides but there are many real and urgent issues now from even current population levels and it is still increasing.
@@DeyvsonMoutinhoCaliman I believe it would create problems for people who are not on welfare as well, and widespread social unrest and panic as a result
@@LordMagiru the only answer to this and the only hope that I have remaining for humanity to be able to solve the immense complexities and crises that loom in front of us, is AI.
Not sure if you or other people will agree, but I have come to that conclusion after learning deeply about what to expect in the future, and what to expect from AI in the future.
I just hope that the crucial parts related to tech, energy, production, and skills in all the possible industries, won't collapse and fade before we get to actually useful, intelligent, complex AIs to help us to stabilize.
Among many other things, AI may become a blessing for very deep and effective individual teaching, the best one available for a young (or any) person, with infinite patience and high adaptability, and in the near future, high reliability and intelligence. Hallucinations are being worked on and are mostly fixable, the goal is to get them to at least somewhat better than a good human expert's level. But while we humans spend large parts of our lives learning to get very professional in something, AI with enough access to high quality (as correct as possible) data, energy and best hardware, can potentially become proficient in everything in months or years.
For now, the main hurdle on the way to getting better AIs is not enough hardware performance, but from what I learned about the already existing tech, large companies' plans and the industry's needs and investments that accelerate the movement in that direction, in a ~decade to two, hardware will get fast enough for basically magical things with AI, and much faster in general context too.
AI can also soon become a blessing in medicine, at first only for diagnosing sicknesses; many years later, - for more.
And blessing in hard and skilled labor automation, but from what I see, it will come later, in a decade or two, if we manage to keep our industries for the cutting-edge technologies and production going.
It's interesting how right about the time we are getting close to cliff, a technology is emerging that has the potential to help overcome it.
Although, human societies and economies will have to be re-structured a LOT, and we are very bad at it for many reasons.
People think that is economic reasons why people are not having babies. No its not. Countries that makes more babies are the ones that are also the poorest. Its not money its culture
The poorest also have children as the parents labor force and pensions plans. Malcolm Collins said that once the country averages 5000 USD per year or more, birth rates drop.
It's the availability of birth control and for women to even have a voice in all this.
And for sure it's economical, for very many people, who want (more) children, state that they cannot afford them. Those rich countries aren't as rich as they were. Sure, the salary is high. But have you seen the costs of living? It's gone up enormously.