I'm actually the last guy in the video. =) The analogy I use to understand it is that the bouncing is an automatic response that comes from the energy grounding down through my feet to the earth, like a lightning rod. From internal training we can open our conduit to allow it to flow, and to whatever degree I can ground it and discharge it fast enough. It's a perfect demonstration of the spoken material because as you can see, Adam completely manipulates the described kinks in my system in various ways, and it's all I can do to keep upright. I'm seized. If I'm not open/song enough, or if Adam chose to give me an ounce more power, I'd get knocked on my ass, or barrel uncontrollably into the people behind even me more than I already did. The internal force enters immediately and powerfully. With a lesser internal practitioner, I wouldn't respond that way, there'd be no reason to. I've got 22 years martial arts experience, 10 in tai chi. Enjoy the journey!
So you're the guy jumping around pretending that this con artist is doing that to you?? You need to research cult following and get your head checked. Also dont drink the juice if he asks you to
IRBADL TALD He just explained what’s happening in this demonstration. And until you experience that kind of internal power you’ll never get it. It looks fake to you because you’ve never experienced authentic internal power I’m guessing.
Hercules mac I’ll admit I think Adam has many positive points in his teaching and he seems to be very good, but that having been said, there is no such thing as internal power. It is all about structure and mechanics, and the correct application of force. The use of the word qi or other terms in Chinese martial arts was probably a good model for teaching in the past, as it created a good imagery that guided the creation of a certain mechanical and structural state, and guided the efficient application of force.
Tze-wei Lim No doubt that you can be very powerful by applying structure and body mechanics alone. But what we want to achieve is the releasing of blockages created through muscle tension so the body is able to apply mind force or determination force. Intention, where your body and mind can apply any movement simultaneously with no lag between thought and action with little effort. Structure is very important but the proper mind state or attitude is more important. I’m not a Taiji practitioner. But I do train Wing Chun.
Hercules mac What I was saying was that structure and mechanics explains everything that happens here, on top of the resistance provided by the opponent, and perhaps some psychology such as the strategy of leading one’s opponent. All the descriptions regarding the use of qi are nothing but mental imagery used for visualization. Relaxation may be an important component of kinetic energy and force perception and transfer, but it is not the key to the release of a non-existent qi energy travelling through our bodies. Apart from the factors I have mentioned, structure, applied forces, leverage gained from exploiting the weaknesses in structure, potential and kinetic energy, there are no other special energy forms applied here that we do not know of scientifically. There is no real qi entity. It is an imagined concept that causes our minds to bring everything together in terms of structure, mechanics, force, potential and kinetic energy. A stiff structure may not allow a free transfer of energy, and it will not allow efficient absorption of the opponent’s energy.
Yes this is true what Mr . Sifu adam Mziner teach us even me since i saw him i had tried , this is real tai chi tuan mixt with Gong song for many years so the his body become like electricity as i said he can push you like anywhere he like.
Hi, just to add on the bouncing thing, its because the person who is being bounced has a full body connection, so he is literally like a ball, you push on any part of a ball the whole ball moves. It takes a certain amount of skill to even get to that stage.
@@tze-weilim1632 Exactly right, non-students don't bounce. Where I teach a couple of students react to my force like what was shown at 4:57 whereas, I spar quite often with a group of friends who are all martial artists, none of them react that way, nor do the majority of people and also new students that come into class. It's simply them overplaying their masters force to make it seem like something it isn't.
@@tze-weilim1632 how do you think teachers get students. If it didn't work they wouldn't come back. I'm not saying it's fighting. Neither is Adam. It's one tool inside of a martial system.
This kind of manipulation what is showed in the end is only possible when the other practicioner have at least body unity a keep try to resist. Those stupid movement is what happen when he dont give in but in reality of fight his structure collapse immediately and open him for attack. I think its real but you can't see it as fighting application cause its not. It is like doing push ups. Do they help you in the fight? Yes because they give you more raw power a body unity but still try to do them in the middle of fight is non sence so is the exersice wrong or you don't know how to use your tools. Sifu Mizner is very skilled i can tell only from this vid.
4:57 - people like this are why people claim internal arts are fake. Myself being an internal WC practitioner know that to not be the case, but still, I don't understand why the students play up the force of the master and react in such stupid ways like that. A couple of people react that way to me as well when I release energy into them, however I know full-well my force isn't making that outcome happen by itself, it's partly based on the other person over-reacting, or possibly even being convinced the power is far more than it is, so the body does totally unnecessary movements like what was shown at the timestamp I've given.
Apples and oranges. So called internal wing chun and taiji are totally different animals. As for someone you know reacting in a false way.... for the counterfeit to exist so must the real.
@@DiscoverTaiji Yes, they're different animals, but song force is very similar, of course there are many different ways to use it, we can touch their feet through any point of contact etc like you guys can, and I've had students react to me in this same way, yet I know for a fact my force isn't creating that outcome. And I've never seen anybody I've sparred against or that wasn't a student who was testing me seriously react anything like that, as I'm sure you haven't either. But I am happy to be wrong in this situation, I just felt like what was happening with a couple of my students was happening with you, the reaction looks identical. My Sigung Chu Shong Tin also had some students who reacted this way to him. Perhaps it's just the persons body is organised in a different way and that's what's happening, but I have no way to explain how it's happening outside of the student is overreacting or their body is organised differently to most others. Do you have any idea what could be going on in my case?
@@alexfage5067 Anyone the same weight as Mziner who'd trained MMA, jiujitsu, wrestling or judo for a year. that's what i really want to see. i want to see these skills actually tested
@@duckpk10 It's pointless, he would get smooshed by a confirmed fighter ^^ The goal is not fighting. Just 1 year of anything is not enough to beat anyone consistently though....
@@alexfage5067 if fighting isn't the goal of a martial art what it? The reason this frustrates me a bit is it seems like the goal of all this isnt to learn to solve a problem or achieve a goal but more to express Mr mizners ego and in that he is misleading people into thinking they can control other people which is so dangerous cause what if the person they belive they can control is a trained muay Thai fighter?
@@duckpk10 I agree with you here. Taiji is confusing because it has it's root in fighting, so it still has some level of adversity but it's very light. You don't fight using Taiji, you should first learn to fight properly, and once you are descent at fighting and understand it well, the study of Taiji Quan is much clearer, but it's just if you want to understand yourself on a deeper level, not everyone is intersted in that and you don't need that to be a good fighter obviously. Adam Mizner is really skilled at Taiji but I don't think he is a great fighter, better than average I'd say, but not at the level of a competitor. And yes he misleads people into thinking they can emulate what he does in fighting, and yes it's dishonnest or maybe just delusionnal... Unfortunately it's very common in the internal martial arts community. But again his taiji skill is amazing, he should just be clear with the fact that if you want to fight, you need to train fighting (Stength, conditioning and technique) not Taiji Quan, I already heard him say "if you want to fight go learn boxing", but he still kinda maintain some confusion, I don't if it's voluntary... I prefer not to assume people's intentions.
Its quite dangerous in some ways. 🤔, when it starts becoming superpowers. Hope those of you who wants to Learn how to defend yourselves for real find good Martial arts and coaches. If you want to Learn how to stand solid and push really well then you are probably one of the best places to be 👍🏽.
It's just not about fighting...it's more about understanding the blockages in your own body and mind, and free yourself from them. Like a standing Yoga, with or without a partner. Tai chi has it's root in fighting but really the goal is to harmonise body and mind and harmonise with others. Many people are confused about it. Yet it's very simple... If fighting is your goal, good athleticism, mental toughness and technique should be the main focus of your training. Then, aside of that do whatever you like.
almost in most iinternal martial arts they are too compliant and it looks totaly BS. even in wing tsun we were only training in using straight punches and lap sao and in reality most people would hook, cross, shift or try to take you down so all your training would end up worthless...
it is easier to believe in a lie than to have to work and train hard to develop the truth. most people want the easy option. real internal training is very difficult and takes years of dedication to transform the mind and body, but you gain lots of improvements along the way in any case, so it is the journey that matters. that is why there are so few real internal experts globally. i do not think mizner is a real expert, other than being a good cult leader. if he came up against a trained athlete fighter of moderate ability or a real internal fighter (who doesnt care for youtube or publicity etc) I am not sure he would hold up. but of course he will never ever let that happen. it is sad that this is still going on.
It’s hard to believe this when the person being pushed forcibly stomps his feet. There’s no reason for him to do this other than to sell the effect. And both guys had hme shirts on...hmmm
thenecrons100 I agree. It is something I would need to feel. I can be pushed, but I’ve never repeatedly stomped my feet when it happens. It’s not how the body would or should react
LOL. cant put my finger on it but there is something slimey and disingenuous about the instructor. he seems to have something but I would need to feel it. you cannot believe from watching a money making youtube video. just look at the energy of the students that tends to give it away. they are watching him as a guru rather than as serious martial or internal practitioners.
Because all that goes to his seminar wants to learn, not challenging. Maybe some but they won't post that for publication unless the teacher win effortlessly. Beyond those nobody needs to prove anything unless they have some problem with Adam. Those people can just compete in a push hand competition if they want to test their skill in more stressful environment.
@@davidwackett9375 Look for the " Da Shou - Heaven Man Earth Taiji " video in the Discover Taiji channel. It's one of the scenes of serious sparring. First you see two students going at each other. From the sounds of their strikes one can tell that they're hitting for real. And as they grapple/wrestle, they put in enough strength to make each other very tense. Then Shifu Adam comes in and spars with one of the students. The difference in skill level becomes very clear. The student gets repeatedly floored. Towards the end you hear the student panting audibly from exhaustion, further showing that he had indeed been trying very hard to outmaneuvre Adam but to no avail because the moment they touched arms Adam could feel and manipulate his force. (To the student's credit he did manage to hit Adam's cheek once, after which Adam smiled and continued owning him). Another interesting thing is that Adam himself also puts in quite a few aggressive moves, perhaps to show that a TaiJi master need not stay "gentle" during a fight.
@@davidwackett9375 well, go observe his skill and judge for yourself whether you want to call him "master" or not. You were concerned with whether or not shifu Adam has demonstrated TaiJi with non- compliant training partners, so go observe that. I've already pointed out a video for you. Or better yet, go visit him, and touch arms with him yourself. If you're concerned with the official process of earning titles, I can tell you that where I'm learning TaiJi, there's a licensing test for becoming a TaiJi instructor. There's also a gradual process of discipleship, from “entering the door” to “entering the hall”, taking a few years. When the shifu feels he has nothing more to teach the disciple, I guess that's when the latter starts evolving to the next stage: becoming a "master". This is the traditional way. There's a saying, “TaiJi doesn't enter the body within ten years”, referring to a rough idea of how long it takes to "master" TaiJi with consistent training. TaiJi isn't actually a “technique-centred” martial arts. By that I mean you can't look at a TaiJi “move” and easily analyze, “oh, he gained leverage this way and struck that way.” So if you're thinking that a "master" is simply someone who knows a lot of tricks, that's not it. Rather, TaiJi conditions the mind and body to feel and exert force in a way that a human normally can't. And that's why it looks “fake”. Because you can't easily explain what's the “technique” being used. It's like tightrope walking. What “technique” does a tightrope walker use to be able to tightrope walk (much less perform acrobatics on a tightrope, which I know is possible because I've seen it)? Actually it's mainly conditioning. There's no easily explainable "trick" to it. And that's why it looks unbelievable when you first see it.
I'm actually the last guy in the video. =)
The analogy I use to understand it is that the bouncing is an automatic response that comes from the energy grounding down through my feet to the earth, like a lightning rod. From internal training we can open our conduit to allow it to flow, and to whatever degree I can ground it and discharge it fast enough.
It's a perfect demonstration of the spoken material because as you can see, Adam completely manipulates the described kinks in my system in various ways, and it's all I can do to keep upright. I'm seized.
If I'm not open/song enough, or if Adam chose to give me an ounce more power, I'd get knocked on my ass, or barrel uncontrollably into the people behind even me more than I already did. The internal force enters immediately and powerfully. With a lesser internal practitioner, I wouldn't respond that way, there'd be no reason to.
I've got 22 years martial arts experience, 10 in tai chi. Enjoy the journey!
So you're the guy jumping around pretending that this con artist is doing that to you?? You need to research cult following and get your head checked. Also dont drink the juice if he asks you to
IRBADL TALD
He just explained what’s happening in this demonstration. And until you experience that kind of internal power you’ll never get it. It looks fake to you because you’ve never experienced authentic internal power I’m guessing.
Hercules mac I’ll admit I think Adam has many positive points in his teaching and he seems to be very good, but that having been said, there is no such thing as internal power. It is all about structure and mechanics, and the correct application of force. The use of the word qi or other terms in Chinese martial arts was probably a good model for teaching in the past, as it created a good imagery that guided the creation of a certain mechanical and structural state, and guided the efficient application of force.
Tze-wei Lim
No doubt that you can be very powerful by applying structure and body mechanics alone. But what we want to achieve is the releasing of blockages created through muscle tension so the body is able to apply mind force or determination force. Intention, where your body and mind can apply any movement simultaneously with no lag between thought and action with little effort. Structure is very important but the proper mind state or attitude is more important.
I’m not a Taiji practitioner. But I do train Wing Chun.
Hercules mac What I was saying was that structure and mechanics explains everything that happens here, on top of the resistance provided by the opponent, and perhaps some psychology such as the strategy of leading one’s opponent.
All the descriptions regarding the use of qi are nothing but mental imagery used for visualization. Relaxation may be an important component of kinetic energy and force perception and transfer, but it is not the key to the release of a non-existent qi energy travelling through our bodies.
Apart from the factors I have mentioned, structure, applied forces, leverage gained from exploiting the weaknesses in structure, potential and kinetic energy, there are no other special energy forms applied here that we do not know of scientifically. There is no real qi entity. It is an imagined concept that causes our minds to bring everything together in terms of structure, mechanics, force, potential and kinetic energy. A stiff structure may not allow a free transfer of energy, and it will not allow efficient absorption of the opponent’s energy.
Awesome, as always!
Yes this is true what Mr . Sifu adam Mziner teach us even me since i saw him i had tried , this is real tai chi tuan mixt with Gong song for many years so the his body become like electricity as i said he can push you like anywhere he like.
Thanks for sharing! Have an awesome day!
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Hi, just to add on the bouncing thing, its because the person who is being bounced has a full body connection, so he is literally like a ball, you push on any part of a ball the whole ball moves. It takes a certain amount of skill to even get to that stage.
Berni Davis Try doing this to a non-student.
@@tze-weilim1632 Exactly right, non-students don't bounce. Where I teach a couple of students react to my force like what was shown at 4:57 whereas, I spar quite often with a group of friends who are all martial artists, none of them react that way, nor do the majority of people and also new students that come into class. It's simply them overplaying their masters force to make it seem like something it isn't.
@@tze-weilim1632 how do you think teachers get students. If it didn't work they wouldn't come back. I'm not saying it's fighting. Neither is Adam. It's one tool inside of a martial system.
tim bushnell Maybe I should have defined “non-student” as a resistant non-student, not someone who is ready to believe everything the instructor says.
@@tze-weilim1632 I was one of those
u sir, made my day!
The song is greatly explained. Excellent video
Is Adam still living in Phuket these days ?
Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. 🙏
Do more videos please this is great stuff.
This kind of manipulation what is showed in the end is only possible when the other practicioner have at least body unity a keep try to resist. Those stupid movement is what happen when he dont give in but in reality of fight his structure collapse immediately and open him for attack. I think its real but you can't see it as fighting application cause its not. It is like doing push ups. Do they help you in the fight? Yes because they give you more raw power a body unity but still try to do them in the middle of fight is non sence so is the exersice wrong or you don't know how to use your tools. Sifu Mizner is very skilled i can tell only from this vid.
Can someone please make me bounce or fly away like that
I am totally going to open my conduit and blast some double legs.
Thanks !
4:57 - people like this are why people claim internal arts are fake. Myself being an internal WC practitioner know that to not be the case, but still, I don't understand why the students play up the force of the master and react in such stupid ways like that. A couple of people react that way to me as well when I release energy into them, however I know full-well my force isn't making that outcome happen by itself, it's partly based on the other person over-reacting, or possibly even being convinced the power is far more than it is, so the body does totally unnecessary movements like what was shown at the timestamp I've given.
Apples and oranges. So called internal wing chun and taiji are totally different animals. As for someone you know reacting in a false way.... for the counterfeit to exist so must the real.
@@DiscoverTaiji Yes, they're different animals, but song force is very similar, of course there are many different ways to use it, we can touch their feet through any point of contact etc like you guys can, and I've had students react to me in this same way, yet I know for a fact my force isn't creating that outcome. And I've never seen anybody I've sparred against or that wasn't a student who was testing me seriously react anything like that, as I'm sure you haven't either. But I am happy to be wrong in this situation, I just felt like what was happening with a couple of my students was happening with you, the reaction looks identical. My Sigung Chu Shong Tin also had some students who reacted this way to him. Perhaps it's just the persons body is organised in a different way and that's what's happening, but I have no way to explain how it's happening outside of the student is overreacting or their body is organised differently to most others. Do you have any idea what could be going on in my case?
fun game but what if someone actually tried to arm drag or collar tie you?
Depends on who tries I guess....
@@alexfage5067 Anyone the same weight as Mziner who'd trained MMA, jiujitsu, wrestling or judo for a year. that's what i really want to see. i want to see these skills actually tested
@@duckpk10 It's pointless, he would get smooshed by a confirmed fighter ^^ The goal is not fighting.
Just 1 year of anything is not enough to beat anyone consistently though....
@@alexfage5067 if fighting isn't the goal of a martial art what it? The reason this frustrates me a bit is it seems like the goal of all this isnt to learn to solve a problem or achieve a goal but more to express Mr mizners ego and in that he is misleading people into thinking they can control other people which is so dangerous cause what if the person they belive they can control is a trained muay Thai fighter?
@@duckpk10 I agree with you here.
Taiji is confusing because it has it's root in fighting, so it still has some level of adversity but it's very light.
You don't fight using Taiji, you should first learn to fight properly, and once you are descent at fighting and understand it well, the study of Taiji Quan is much clearer, but it's just if you want to understand yourself on a deeper level, not everyone is intersted in that and you don't need that to be a good fighter obviously.
Adam Mizner is really skilled at Taiji but I don't think he is a great fighter, better than average I'd say, but not at the level of a competitor.
And yes he misleads people into thinking they can emulate what he does in fighting, and yes it's dishonnest or maybe just delusionnal...
Unfortunately it's very common in the internal martial arts community.
But again his taiji skill is amazing, he should just be clear with the fact that if you want to fight, you need to train fighting (Stength, conditioning and technique) not Taiji Quan, I already heard him say "if you want to fight go learn boxing", but he still kinda maintain some confusion, I don't if it's voluntary... I prefer not to assume people's intentions.
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Its quite dangerous in some ways. 🤔, when it starts becoming superpowers. Hope those of you who wants to Learn how to defend yourselves for real find good Martial arts and coaches. If you want to Learn how to stand solid and push really well then you are probably one of the best places to be 👍🏽.
It's just not about fighting...it's more about understanding the blockages in your own body and mind, and free yourself from them. Like a standing Yoga, with or without a partner.
Tai chi has it's root in fighting but really the goal is to harmonise body and mind and harmonise with others.
Many people are confused about it. Yet it's very simple...
If fighting is your goal, good athleticism, mental toughness and technique should be the main focus of your training. Then, aside of that do whatever you like.
almost in most iinternal martial arts they are too compliant and it looks totaly BS. even in wing tsun we were only training in using straight punches and lap sao and in reality most people would hook, cross, shift or try to take you down so all your training would end up worthless...
Merci jp il es prof à grandes piles
I really feel sorry for anyone who believes this con artist and BS. Amazing that in 2019 people still do
it is easier to believe in a lie than to have to work and train hard to develop the truth. most people want the easy option. real internal training is very difficult and takes years of dedication to transform the mind and body, but you gain lots of improvements along the way in any case, so it is the journey that matters. that is why there are so few real internal experts globally. i do not think mizner is a real expert, other than being a good cult leader. if he came up against a trained athlete fighter of moderate ability or a real internal fighter (who doesnt care for youtube or publicity etc) I am not sure he would hold up. but of course he will never ever let that happen. it is sad that this is still going on.
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It’s hard to believe this when the person being pushed forcibly stomps his feet. There’s no reason for him to do this other than to sell the effect. And both guys had hme shirts on...hmmm
Why would have to believe? Just try (with respect and kindness tho)
Try it yourself. Otherwise, all you can do is cynically speculate. Of course they had HME T-shirts. It was an HME camp.
thenecrons100 I agree. It is something I would need to feel. I can be pushed, but I’ve never repeatedly stomped my feet when it happens. It’s not how the body would or should react
@@ptarter Once again, as you don't know, you are merely speculating. It is how the body reacts, as you can see.
As Adam has said, one touch and you will see. Go see his affiliates if you can't get to touch with him.
Nonsense
You must be a great martial artist Sensei!
@@PrudentStudent666 good enough to know what nonsense is.
LOL. cant put my finger on it but there is something slimey and disingenuous about the instructor. he seems to have something but I would need to feel it. you cannot believe from watching a money making youtube video. just look at the energy of the students that tends to give it away. they are watching him as a guru rather than as serious martial or internal practitioners.
why are all the people that push with Mr Mizner so submissive?
Because all that goes to his seminar wants to learn, not challenging. Maybe some but they won't post that for publication unless the teacher win effortlessly.
Beyond those nobody needs to prove anything unless they have some problem with Adam. Those people can just compete in a push hand competition if they want to test their skill in more stressful environment.
@@trym2121 wouldn't Adam like to test his skills against someone not so compliant, and then everyone would know how good he is,
@@davidwackett9375 Look for the " Da Shou - Heaven Man Earth Taiji " video in the Discover Taiji channel. It's one of the scenes of serious sparring.
First you see two students going at each other. From the sounds of their strikes one can tell that they're hitting for real. And as they grapple/wrestle, they put in enough strength to make each other very tense.
Then Shifu Adam comes in and spars with one of the students. The difference in skill level becomes very clear. The student gets repeatedly floored. Towards the end you hear the student panting audibly from exhaustion, further showing that he had indeed been trying very hard to outmaneuvre Adam but to no avail because the moment they touched arms Adam could feel and manipulate his force. (To the student's credit he did manage to hit Adam's cheek once, after which Adam smiled and continued owning him). Another interesting thing is that Adam himself also puts in quite a few aggressive moves, perhaps to show that a TaiJi master need not stay "gentle" during a fight.
@@StarSpawn06 tai chi master? Who gives someone that title?
@@davidwackett9375 well, go observe his skill and judge for yourself whether you want to call him "master" or not. You were concerned with whether or not shifu Adam has demonstrated TaiJi with non- compliant training partners, so go observe that. I've already pointed out a video for you. Or better yet, go visit him, and touch arms with him yourself.
If you're concerned with the official process of earning titles, I can tell you that where I'm learning TaiJi, there's a licensing test for becoming a TaiJi instructor. There's also a gradual process of discipleship, from “entering the door” to “entering the hall”, taking a few years. When the shifu feels he has nothing more to teach the disciple, I guess that's when the latter starts evolving to the next stage: becoming a "master".
This is the traditional way. There's a saying, “TaiJi doesn't enter the body within ten years”, referring to a rough idea of how long it takes to "master" TaiJi with consistent training.
TaiJi isn't actually a “technique-centred” martial arts. By that I mean you can't look at a TaiJi “move” and easily analyze, “oh, he gained leverage this way and struck that way.” So if you're thinking that a "master" is simply someone who knows a lot of tricks, that's not it.
Rather, TaiJi conditions the mind and body to feel and exert force in a way that a human normally can't. And that's why it looks “fake”. Because you can't easily explain what's the “technique” being used.
It's like tightrope walking. What “technique” does a tightrope walker use to be able to tightrope walk (much less perform acrobatics on a tightrope, which I know is possible because I've seen it)? Actually it's
mainly conditioning. There's no easily explainable "trick" to it. And that's why it looks unbelievable when you first see it.