What about the pedalling performance vs the Ripley Af? Does the lighter weight in the Izzo make for better/faster riding in Edmonton’s up and down trials?
100% I would rather ride the izzo over the ripley af in Edmonton any day. The weight is a huge part of that, but not the only part. In the bigger gears the suspension stiffens up quite alot so when you're hard on the pedals in flater sections, you get a lot out of it, which helps to carry speed into the punchy climbs. The suspension is pretty tuneable as well, you can set it up in a number of ways to suit your style, even as soft as I run mine I still think it pedals on par with the ripley af. The real difference between the two is descending, which is why I'll likely explore an angle set to help bring some of the Ripley af's charge-ability to the izzo.
How would you compare izzo vs ripley carbon V4 or V4s then? Now you’re getting closer to each other. 66 vs 66.5 HTA, probably same weight. Just different suspension kinematics.
I can't say, I've never had a chance to ride the v4 carbon. I suspect I would likely prefer the ripley, but at that point, cost is also a pretty major consideration.
I made similar changes to my 2023 Core 4 Izzo, including swapping out the FOX 34 fork to a FOX 36 factory 150mm. I'm 5'9" on a large with a 50mm stem and 30mm rise bars so the shortened effective reach and higher cockpit position feels just about right. The resulting HTA is around 65 degrees. I had a similar experience with the 175mm cranks and swapped those out for X01 170mm cranks. I changed the tires to Maxxis DHRII in the front and Rekon in the back. These provide much more grip for my local loose over hard trail conditions (SF Bay Area). The G2 brakes never felt quite right to me so I swapped those out for SRAM Code RSC which I've used on previous bikes and like. I was able to fit a OneUp v3 180mm dropper shimmed to 170mm with a WolfTooth remote. I didn't like the original saddle and swapped that out for a WTB Volt. I went with a WolfTooth headset replacing the Acros. The bike still weighs a bit under 30lbs with pedals. With all of the changes it now handles chundery descents with noticeably more stability. The climbing is still excellent with perhaps only a bit more front end wander on the steepest sections. I ended up spending almost as much on upgrades as I spent on the bike (I also got it on a ridiculously good sale price). If I had it to do over I might have gotten something else that didn't need as many upgrades, e.g., Yeti SB140 or a Jeffsy. However, I love the way the Izzo climbs and how light and Nimble it is. I'm intrigued with the concept of removing one of the negative spacers to get better small bump compliance. Did you do that yourself? I appreciate your video and it sounds like we've had a very similar experience with the Izzo.
ya, I pulled that reducer out at home, just remove the shock from the bike, release all the air, remove the canister completely and you'll see 2 bands on the otherside of the shaft from where the positive volume reducer installs. There are lots of videos and instructions online for more detail. It's a pretty simple procedure though, doesnt really need any special tools.
If you angleset and increase travel by 10mm that would keep the BB height, but sounds like the wheelset is the limiting factor for pushing hard. I am likely to get this bike soon
So the takeaway is following: comparing this bike to the Ibis Ripley AF, ibis is more capable in terms of the descending capabilities in chunky terrain leaning a little bit to the agressive trail/light enduro territory and YT is better for XCish/ light trail usage?
I ordered a core 4 aswell for 2200 a month and a half ago from the outlet it was to killer of a deal to pass. Im still waiting for my delivery date im stoked tho i already ordered a few parts similar to what you did disector up from and i had a rekon for the rear and a set of mt7s as the g2s are terrible in my opinion. I got a one up 210 and pnw bars for it aswell and I have a works 1 degree angleset to try which I think actually will make it perfect
Seeing people buy the higher end packages and still swapping parts out makes me think I'd be better off getting a Core 1 and building off that platform.
haha, that probably depends on what you have in the parts bin. I already had everything laying around so it didnt cost me anything to make those changes, AND I was able to sell the higher quality parts I replaced for more money. But buying a cheaper build and doing a wholesale upgrade has it's place too! I think especially if you're moving components over from an old bike and want to sell your old frame as a complete build with the lower end components off the new bike.
What about the pedalling performance vs the Ripley Af? Does the lighter weight in the Izzo make for better/faster riding in Edmonton’s up and down trials?
100% I would rather ride the izzo over the ripley af in Edmonton any day. The weight is a huge part of that, but not the only part. In the bigger gears the suspension stiffens up quite alot so when you're hard on the pedals in flater sections, you get a lot out of it, which helps to carry speed into the punchy climbs. The suspension is pretty tuneable as well, you can set it up in a number of ways to suit your style, even as soft as I run mine I still think it pedals on par with the ripley af. The real difference between the two is descending, which is why I'll likely explore an angle set to help bring some of the Ripley af's charge-ability to the izzo.
How would you compare izzo vs ripley carbon V4 or V4s then? Now you’re getting closer to each other. 66 vs 66.5 HTA, probably same weight. Just different suspension kinematics.
I can't say, I've never had a chance to ride the v4 carbon. I suspect I would likely prefer the ripley, but at that point, cost is also a pretty major consideration.
Awesome review man, thanks
I made similar changes to my 2023 Core 4 Izzo, including swapping out the FOX 34 fork to a FOX 36 factory 150mm. I'm 5'9" on a large with a 50mm stem and 30mm rise bars so the shortened effective reach and higher cockpit position feels just about right. The resulting HTA is around 65 degrees. I had a similar experience with the 175mm cranks and swapped those out for X01 170mm cranks. I changed the tires to Maxxis DHRII in the front and Rekon in the back. These provide much more grip for my local loose over hard trail conditions (SF Bay Area). The G2 brakes never felt quite right to me so I swapped those out for SRAM Code RSC which I've used on previous bikes and like. I was able to fit a OneUp v3 180mm dropper shimmed to 170mm with a WolfTooth remote. I didn't like the original saddle and swapped that out for a WTB Volt. I went with a WolfTooth headset replacing the Acros. The bike still weighs a bit under 30lbs with pedals. With all of the changes it now handles chundery descents with noticeably more stability. The climbing is still excellent with perhaps only a bit more front end wander on the steepest sections. I ended up spending almost as much on upgrades as I spent on the bike (I also got it on a ridiculously good sale price). If I had it to do over I might have gotten something else that didn't need as many upgrades, e.g., Yeti SB140 or a Jeffsy. However, I love the way the Izzo climbs and how light and Nimble it is. I'm intrigued with the concept of removing one of the negative spacers to get better small bump compliance. Did you do that yourself? I appreciate your video and it sounds like we've had a very similar experience with the Izzo.
Jeez. That's a whole lotta goofing around when you could've just sold it and got a jeffsy.
ya, I pulled that reducer out at home, just remove the shock from the bike, release all the air, remove the canister completely and you'll see 2 bands on the otherside of the shaft from where the positive volume reducer installs. There are lots of videos and instructions online for more detail. It's a pretty simple procedure though, doesnt really need any special tools.
How did the seat tube angle feel with the fork set to 150?
If you angleset and increase travel by 10mm that would keep the BB height, but sounds like the wheelset is the limiting factor for pushing hard. I am likely to get this bike soon
So the takeaway is following: comparing this bike to the Ibis Ripley AF, ibis is more capable in terms of the descending capabilities in chunky terrain leaning a little bit to the agressive trail/light enduro territory and YT is better for XCish/ light trail usage?
I definitely agree it pedals great when open; I'm not sure why some reviewers say it needs to be locked out
I ordered a core 4 aswell for 2200 a month and a half ago from the outlet it was to killer of a deal to pass. Im still waiting for my delivery date im stoked tho i already ordered a few parts similar to what you did disector up from and i had a rekon for the rear and a set of mt7s as the g2s are terrible in my opinion. I got a one up 210 and pnw bars for it aswell and I have a works 1 degree angleset to try which I think actually will make it perfect
Seeing people buy the higher end packages and still swapping parts out makes me think I'd be better off getting a Core 1 and building off that platform.
haha, that probably depends on what you have in the parts bin. I already had everything laying around so it didnt cost me anything to make those changes, AND I was able to sell the higher quality parts I replaced for more money. But buying a cheaper build and doing a wholesale upgrade has it's place too! I think especially if you're moving components over from an old bike and want to sell your old frame as a complete build with the lower end components off the new bike.
5mm crank length causing knee pain is the most made up shit i think ive ever heard, get real dude
ya, you're probably right.
@@casestudymtb I had this bike changed it to 170mm cranks. Can't say too much about knee pain but the 5mm difference is bigger than you might expect.
Haha, oh, I'm fully aware.
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🤣 Tell me how you really feel haha. I've honestly had 4 cane creek 40's on my last 4 bikes and they've been bomb proof, whats the beef?