AKAI MINI D VS REAL MOOG COMPARISON 🤯 MPC 2.1.6 Update

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    MPC 2.1.6 Update brings new, Moog model D inspired MINI D synth
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  • @kaikiefer8303
    @kaikiefer8303 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for doing this. ❤ Gives a nice reference. I agree - the most value for me are the presets - there are some real treasures and so many points much to get started.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      Presets are actually very good and useful - and every AKAI plug-in has really nice presets!

  • @doxdos98
    @doxdos98 Рік тому +1

    Dope video! Thanks for all your contributions to the MPC community 🙏🏽

  • @carbonvibes
    @carbonvibes Рік тому +3

    Nice video, love to see stuff like this since that equipment is not cheap especially from Moog. Thanks for the free keygroup programs 🙌🏼

  • @Music73777
    @Music73777 Рік тому +5

    I have a Sub 37, Matriarch, Behringer Model D, and recently added the Akai Mini D. I like it for what it is. It’s immediate and convenient to have within the Live. While it doesn’t completely capture the Moog sound, I’ve been able to pull up sounds that work well within context. For the price, I think it’s a win.

  • @95rocket
    @95rocket Рік тому +15

    by the way, your channel is basically a goldmine for mpc users! Thank you for everything!

  • @Kyle-wb7wx
    @Kyle-wb7wx Рік тому

    What a great channel! So glad this popped up!

  • @dtlaking333
    @dtlaking333 Рік тому

    As always a dope video! Love this channel!

  • @siccavicca
    @siccavicca Рік тому +1

    Amazing content and comparison…I like the mood sub for most of the examples & “omg the rogue was incredible “ the mi I was too bright and too modern for me but. Can imagine it wil fit nicely alongside “Massive and Serum” type patches . I love the warmth and colour that each individual vintage synth brings to the game ..as Adrian Uttly said ..sometimes the old broken things don’t need fixing “bcos they bring new tricks and textures if/when needed”. Thanks for th multi samples ..I need to share some things with you before we launch our channel.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      Thanks for the feedback, totally agree on Adrian Uttly quote! MINI D has some tricks on it sleeve though, I'm comparing mostly clean oscillators, but engaging "analog" and "feedback" features as EnnochLight pointed out will get us closer to the real thing!

  • @MurderToCassette
    @MurderToCassette Рік тому

    You are doing Gods work, please keep it up! Every video is 🔥🔥🔥

  • @dkvladutu2
    @dkvladutu2 Рік тому

    you are one of the nicest people on Earth!!! thank you again

  • @MB-zm6rr
    @MB-zm6rr Рік тому

    The best, thank you!

  • @joegrant413
    @joegrant413 Рік тому +4

    I think highly of Moog's own "Model D" apps on iOS and MacOS. IMO, they are comparable in basically tonal quality. But the Mini D is on the MPC, and I'm really diggin' it so far!

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +5

      This would be a great comparison - Moog's "Model D" app VS AKAI's MINI D

    • @ernestobevilacqua7288
      @ernestobevilacqua7288 Рік тому +1

      Mpc is a enough powerfull machine to emulate 3 analog oscillators and much, much more.. 😄

  • @a2roland
    @a2roland 2 місяці тому

    Thanks!

  • @EnochLight
    @EnochLight Рік тому +9

    Akai’s Mini-D is based on a Minimoog, not the Sub 37 or Rogue. Also, try hitting the “plus” sign on the feedback (so it’s blue), and have the “analog” cranked to 70-80%. It’s sublime.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +3

      Yes, of course, this is why I'm comparing just a clean single oscillator and a filter sweep there is no way to do proper detailed comparison between those synth's! Thanks for the tips - I'm just starting to explore MINI D ! Sub 37 has a brutal feedback feature, in general it is a very much always distorted synth, I had to turn feedback ft off and lower OSC level to get to actual clean-ish waveform.

    • @EnochLight
      @EnochLight Рік тому +3

      @@MusicianParadise - I hear you - and I really do appreciate your content on your channel - keep it coming! If you use the feedback feature on Mini-D, just make sure you’ve got the filter set to Classic and the Feedback shows a “+” and is blue, then ease up on the Gain and Feedback. It’s criminally good, IMHO. And that Analog knob does have a very subtle but noticeable effect (I find between 70-80% is nice, 90-100 gets pretty unpredictable).

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      @@EnochLight I’ll try it !

    • @joegrant413
      @joegrant413 Рік тому +2

      I'll have to give that a try, thanks!

    • @stysnappin
      @stysnappin Рік тому +1

      I tried it and adding feedback and analog really makes the Mini D come alive. Thanks!

  • @Midwestmadeoff
    @Midwestmadeoff Місяць тому

    preciate the packs.

  • @kalimaa999
    @kalimaa999 Рік тому +1

    Great

  • @PhatNoizeRecords
    @PhatNoizeRecords Рік тому +1

    Thanks for the video thanks. A lot of aliasing when using the filter on the Mini D, hope they can fix it somehow 😞.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      I think that aliasing is actually AKAI's emulation of vintage Moog ladder filter. In the modern mode is not so obvious.

    • @novalogue
      @novalogue Рік тому

      Actually I´m confused by this since the Rogue had the same Filter behaviour that sounds like aliasing

  • @SyntheticSan
    @SyntheticSan Рік тому

    Super nice vid. What about the Akai Force? Is the Mini D also included in it’s latest update?

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +2

      Yes, I think so! AKAI Force is usually ahead of MPC in terms of development. For example, Force already has direct disk streaming, MPC not yet!

    • @SyntheticSan
      @SyntheticSan Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise Thank you for the quick reply 🤜🤛

    • @micindir4213
      @micindir4213 Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise don’t wait for disk streaming, it’s not
      Coming.
      Just hack live with hakai or Iamforce.
      It was a game changer for performance for me. I use forceos for live and mpc for composing. Their presets are interchangeable! So sound made in mpc can be opened and played within force. No more clunky pc setups for me! Plus I have battery in live , which force doesn’t have

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      @@micindir4213 ohhh, hakai rabbit hole!!!

  • @audreyazwell
    @audreyazwell 2 місяці тому

    I'll say this: off rip that first comparison was closer than I expected & that's coming from an analog synth nut. Now, obviously there's a pretty big difference - HOWEVER - I'm absolutely convinced my Analog Heat could tighten that up ngl - Air has been doing really well, the Jura synth genuinely impressed me

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  2 місяці тому +1

      This is exactly how I think about the Mini D: pass it through the Analog Heat and resample. The Jura synth is very impressive.

    • @audreyazwell
      @audreyazwell 2 місяці тому

      @@MusicianParadise they have a 40% off right now & your video was all I needed to see btw, I'm gonna check if you have affiliate links also just so I can click on em for you, if you do for this specifically I feel really bad because I had it loaded in a cart & the first thing I did was find your video, I didn't even think to check...
      Dude, I've been subbed since I discovered your free progression packs & next paycheck I'm joining your Patreon out of principle, even if only temporarily (I don't typically do this at all please don't take that personally, it's actually a massive compliment lol) - you deserve it fr.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  2 місяці тому

      @@audreyazwell thank you very much for your kind words and support 🙏

  • @NINJAMARGIELA
    @NINJAMARGIELA 8 місяців тому

    Shit hit the fan when you pulled the rogue out 😂😂😂😂

  • @HenryHearse
    @HenryHearse Рік тому

    who makes that MPC tilt stand?

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      Stand from Roadworx not MPC specific but works fine.
      www.thomann.de/pt/roadworx_synthesizer_stand.htm
      One thing though, it is very heavy!

  • @koraamis5568
    @koraamis5568 Рік тому

    Even there was no Minimoog, the comparison with two hardware Moogs is nice, maybe better than comparing to lots of software versions. Because no two analog hardware synths sound the same. Even if you had two original Minimoogs from 1970, people would probably argue they do not sound the same. Therefore, having more than one hardware synth gives an interesting context for the comparison.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      Exactly, this was the idea behind my video! As I don't own a Minimoog I decided to use just a single oscillator from each synth to make some kind of "fair" comparison.

  • @angelfmusic
    @angelfmusic Рік тому +2

    You can hear the difference. Lots of good low end with analogue.

  • @DJDigitalJosh
    @DJDigitalJosh 8 місяців тому

    I'm finally getting Mini D. I'm tired of using hype synth for bass. Hype doesnt produce low enough frequencies for my taste. I'm really enjoying my "swiss army knife" mpc.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  8 місяців тому

      Oh yes, modern MPC is in fact "swiss army knife" of music production!

  • @obscuresoundz
    @obscuresoundz Рік тому

    great vid; where is this guys accent from?

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      I was born in Soviet Union (Russia) but my family immigrated to Portugal in the 1990s so, there's a lot of accent's, lol!

  • @MediaMusik777
    @MediaMusik777 Рік тому

    the mini d is great for the price of 59 bucks and its plays well with serum

  • @ernestobevilacqua7288
    @ernestobevilacqua7288 Рік тому

    I am convinced that in 2023 the minid is more useful and fit for purpose than the real stuff. And maybe my ears are too old but I don't hear all this great difference, apart from the resonant filter, which is probably enough not to set it to the maximum!

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      Agree! MINI D is a great addition to AKAI instruments and it just make workflow faster!

  • @zyxyuv1650
    @zyxyuv1650 Рік тому +2

    Wow that aliasing with the filter sounds horrible, sounds like a cheap algorithm running at 44.1 kHz with no oversampling and no band limiting

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      well, the modern filter mode is smoother somehow :) oversampling and band limiting probably too much to ask for a plugin developed primarily for a standalone hardware platform with limited CPU. Of course, is hard to compare it to the state of the art modern software synth!

    • @micindir4213
      @micindir4213 Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise It’s a quad core cpu that’s quite productive. Even single good voice would make a difference. Air aren’t known as va-synth producers, ohmforce are (their OSCs are in serum) or u-he. Pretty sure they could’ve hire somebody to code it well enough to fit this sbc. Otherwise it’s really solid plug-in, on par with odyssey. They both do a lot to make mpc synth workstation. I think automation is best part of it. Too bad baseline is “dumb” synth. A good Osc and filter models would do wonders to that one.

  • @inthefade
    @inthefade Рік тому

    I'm just learning about this Mini D. I bet it costs an arm and a leg too.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      Yes, I think it's quite expensive for what it is. Hopefully AKAI will do some black Friday sales, I used the demo in my video!

    • @EnochLight
      @EnochLight Рік тому

      Nah, it’s on sale plus there’s a 10% off coupon floating around the MPC-forums.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      @@EnochLight 10% cool, good to know!

    • @ManCalledMif
      @ManCalledMif Рік тому

      Behringer d is excellent (even if you’re not on a budget)

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      @@ManCalledMif oh, yes!

  • @VTOLKits
    @VTOLKits 2 місяці тому +1

    A lot aliasing on the Akai Mini D...... 🤔🤔

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  2 місяці тому +1

      Yes, this is the price you pay to use the Mini Moog emulation on a standalone device.

  • @mariomariocchi2908
    @mariomariocchi2908 Рік тому

    Secondo me è un buon plugin, considerando il costo e l'uso, dopo questo un polifonico vero ci vorrebbe, secondo me faranno un poly stile juno, il white noise è veramente brutto, sembra un campione in loop

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      la polifonia è però limitata a 4 voci...

    • @mariomariocchi2908
      @mariomariocchi2908 Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise 4 sono poche, ho provato con gli split o ricampionando, ma non è proprio la stessa cosa, ci si deve accontentare

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      87 / 5 000
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      Puoi provare il mio Moog keygroups (gratuito) polyfonia 16 voci - llnk nella descrizione del video

    • @mariomariocchi2908
      @mariomariocchi2908 Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise grazie lo scarico

  • @95rocket
    @95rocket Рік тому +1

    something about the analog gear you cannot emulate. The hardware sounds less harsh, warmer, in other words better in every way!

    • @inthefade
      @inthefade Рік тому +1

      It is getting closer and closer, but not possible with the very limited processing power of the MPC. I'm still into it but it is probably too expensive like the rest of the new plugins.

    • @95rocket
      @95rocket Рік тому +1

      @@inthefade it's been getting closer and closer for sometime now lol. Even Arturia Collections are pretty good but not good enough compared to the original ones.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому

      I agree! But the convenience sometimes wins over sound quality...

    • @95rocket
      @95rocket Рік тому

      @@MusicianParadise yes it's true

    • @nicolasstrawberry4148
      @nicolasstrawberry4148 Рік тому

      Well that and the Mini D plugin isn’t an emulation of the Sub 37 though, it’s an emulation of the Mini Moog, which would still sound better.

  • @wul01
    @wul01 Рік тому +2

    It’s nothing whatsoever like the real thing . But it’s ok though.

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      Exactly! And the presets of the MINI D actually very useful and more controllable them the real Moog sounds, which are usually quite difficult fit into the mix without an EQ!

    • @vaiman7777
      @vaiman7777 Рік тому

      Considering the plugin is modelled after a completely different synth... I'd say so! The Sub 37 isn't like the real thing either.

  • @alp6181
    @alp6181 Рік тому +1

    So basically Moog is overpriced pos?

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  Рік тому +1

      If you are looking for the "Moog sound," the Behringer Model D will likely suffice. Modern, expensive Moog synthesizers offer extensive modulation capabilities, more flexible filters, and better build quality. AKAI's Mini D is a great option for those who want integration with the hardware MPC platform and a plethora of quality presets at the expense of analog mojo and some digital aliasing artefacts.However, some Moog synths, such as the Sirin or Minitaur, may be slightly overpriced.

  • @user-rs7mo8xf2o
    @user-rs7mo8xf2o 5 місяців тому

    Sub 37 is no Minimoog

    • @MusicianParadise
      @MusicianParadise  5 місяців тому +1

      Yes, this is why I'm only comparing single oscillators only!