Ep. 50. Bipoles and Dipoles for Dolby ATMOS. Good or Bad for Home Theater? Home Theater Gurus.

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  • @hometheatergurus
    @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +2

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  • @faviann
    @faviann Рік тому +3

    Man the practicality of the information you're giving is really refreshing. It feels like the information is grounded in measurable elements but mainly easily remembered because it's explained in a great order and repeat core information multiple times. Props to all your videos super grateful of your content!

  • @cableguydan
    @cableguydan 2 роки тому +11

    I truly enjoy your videos. It’s very clear that you simply want to help people get the most out of their home theatre, (rather than a sales pitch or ego trip like some content out there). Such genuine and logical information.
    Keep up the superb content, Steven. 👏👏👏😁

  • @garryhammond3117
    @garryhammond3117 2 роки тому +4

    Thanks Steve - I have made so many "tweaks" to my system already based on your videos that have positively improved the sound. - Cheers!

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      Thanks Gary! Thanks for the feedback too, makes it all worth it!

  • @andreasfasekasch6633
    @andreasfasekasch6633 2 роки тому +8

    Hi. I want to give my bipoles the best position in a 5.2.4 Setup. I have tested the bipoles at about 90° and 110° at he sidewalls. And it's ok...
    My couch is about 1,20m from the backwall. I think a better choice is to put the bipoles at the backwall maybe 120°-130°. So the "inside" sweeter can aim to the MLP and the "outside" sweeter can reflect to the sidewalls for the sideseats...
    What do you think about this?

  • @Paulscole3
    @Paulscole3 2 роки тому +8

    Dipoles, like Paradigm have, work great when the seating is against the back wall. Like you said, they become directional, and many basement setups have a long couch or seating along one wall. In that type of seating, I'd highly recommend bipolar speakers.

    • @Paulscole3
      @Paulscole3 Рік тому

      @Neil Partridge You can do it. It's how I have mine set up, for the time being. It's all Klipsch and I'm running it all off my Marantz av8805a processor, mm8077, mm8003 (7 & 8 channel amps). My rear surrounds are the RP-250S, front Height/Atmos channels are RP-500sa, and my side and rear H/Atmos are my good ol' RSX-4 black speakers because you can attach them in a number of ways. My rear are screwed to the back wall, right below the ceiling so they're more overhead than behind me but they still sound as if they were 5 ft behind me. Try following the guide of equal distance between all 3 sets of height and you'll be fine. Hope that helps.

    • @PeteNice29
      @PeteNice29 7 місяців тому

      Paradigm traditionally uses adaptive dipoles, where the bass drivers are in phase and tweeters are not. Possible that these could be used as heights.

  • @robertofdetroit9190
    @robertofdetroit9190 9 місяців тому

    I use bipole for the surround and the rear surround as I have the back of the room open and closed off by a divider, it sounds AWESOME!! It sounds great since my fronts are so powerful and then simple directional for atmos. Thanks for the science behind it and the video.

  • @LDBaha
    @LDBaha Рік тому +1

    Thanks for answering my question I feel honored lol! I learn so much from your videos and you have helped me improve my small home theater 10 fold. Thank you so much

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +1

      You're welcome. It was a good question that will help a lot of people. I'm really glad i could be a part of making your system better!!!

  • @adamjj85
    @adamjj85 2 роки тому +5

    Good topic. I agonized over this and ultimately decided on Arendal's "tri-axial" 1961 surround between my two rows. Will be testing in the next couple weeks as I finish the room build and we'll see how it sounds.

  • @Edward135i
    @Edward135i 2 роки тому +8

    I have 4 bi-pole speakers in a 10 x 10 bedroom. They work great, create a huge soundstage.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +1

      Yep they can sound very good.

    • @pierrecastanets1974
      @pierrecastanets1974 2 роки тому +4

      I’m a big fan of bi-pole as rear surrounds. I get that people are directional sound sources but the dispersed sound from a bipole sounds more real to me.

  • @nattydj8646
    @nattydj8646 2 роки тому +5

    Thanks for the video. I suppose it should be noted that Dolby endorses BIPOLE explicitly in their October 2016 Dolby Atmos For Home Theater document on page 5, saying "An ideal listener-level setup will include monopole or bipole speaker designs. Dolby does not recommend the use of dipole speakers for use at the listener level; the highly diffuse sound patterns of dipole speakers interfere with the accurate positioning of sounds in the three-dimensional soundstage that is Dolby Atmos."

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +2

      The version I used was Dec 2018. I guess they altered it some. I do like the fact that it had a good reason why vs the newer version just saying not recommended like the 2018 version.

  • @wojtekeksner
    @wojtekeksner Рік тому +1

    Thanks man. It is a clear and understandable piece of advice. I saved a lot of money thanks to you. Unfortunately, I have a challenging cinema/audio room placed in an attic. I did a lot of acoustic treatment in this room and stereo music sounds great but movies, placing atmos, surround speaker, it kills me it is almost impossible. I wish I had your knowledge. Thanks again.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому

      Thanks. Don't forget I do room design and zoom consultanting. If u need help my contact info is in the video descriptions.

  • @commanderrussels2612
    @commanderrussels2612 2 роки тому +4

    Triad recommended bipoles with low ceilings. I can't recall the paper but it was an official one. Bit of a head scratcher to me, because while Atmos speakers are supposed to be wide dispersion, a bipole is a bit unique. Of course Triad doesn't say anything anymore, now it's just part of a big company.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +2

      Anyone can write an official paper. Many times they just follow others blindly and the guy that actually designed the speakers and understands dispersion and how a speaker has to be placed to work as intended doesn't even work there, was hired out or moved on etc. Some of the worst designs I've ever seen were done by speaker manufactures. MLP at a null, Mains 20 degrees (apart), screen size of 30 degrees wide. I wish I was making that up.

  • @parupudiphanindra3126
    @parupudiphanindra3126 7 місяців тому +1

    Shall we use bipolar speakers as rear surrounds in a 7.1.2 layput

  • @danielwander605
    @danielwander605 2 роки тому +1

    Great explanation. My surround speakers are considered to be Triaxial. Theres a monopole speaker (tweeter/woofer) facing the LP and then there is a 3” full range driver at a 45 degree on both sides. Those 3” drivers can be disabled but I’ve been lazy about it, bc they are inside my columns. My rear speakers are regular monopole speakers so everything seems to points to changing my surrounds to monopole only.

    • @Espiritiv
      @Espiritiv 2 роки тому

      Sounds like M&K

    • @danielwander605
      @danielwander605 2 роки тому +1

      @@Espiritiv Yea, it’s just like the M&K speakers, but mine are Arendal Sound. I feel like they were definitely influenced by M&K.

  • @schemkesa
    @schemkesa Рік тому

    At this moment I still have dipole for side surrounds. Not ideally for Atmos, but........ lots of content is still 5.1. or 7.1 So for now I'm very pleased listening to it. Indeed placement is not that precise, but the immersive experience is pretty satisfying. It's all about the placement and the possibilities to place them in YOUR room. I have only a 7.1.2 so just 2 height speakers in front, so no movement or placing above my head, but a wall of sound. It's always a compromise living rooms. Except if you own a designated HT room

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +1

      I do a lot of living room designs and often we make very few compromises and they can rival a dedicated room. In the end, if you love the sound then enjoy it. The video is informational to help people understand how they work. I've done designs for guys that had bipoles and didn't want to invest in more speakers so we used them. Make the best of what you have and enjoy it. Just understand the compromises.

  • @mfkhometheater7742
    @mfkhometheater7742 2 роки тому

    I'm still trying to decide what to build for Atmos but I'm thinking keep it simple and just a very basic monopole.
    For the rears, I have the problem of the rear row, it's only a few inches off the back wall. One thought was to build an open baffle dipole mounted over the rear row placing that row in the dipole null. The rear row would hear mostly the rear wave bouncing off the back wall but the middle and front row would hear the front wave and to them it would be the same as if it were a monopole. Another thought was to build an inverted ground plane CBT against the back wall using the ceiling as the ground plane. The full output drivers are farther away and off axis to the rear row and the attenuated end drivers are closer to their heads. They really shouldn't hear them any louder than the middle or front row. There is just no easy way to deal with a rear row so close to the back wall. Of course the back row is an overflow row, 99% of the time only the middle row will be used.

  • @bigdreams5554
    @bigdreams5554 2 роки тому +3

    I got bipoles for my side surround speakers in a small room (18*10*8ft). Not ideal but work well. Monopoles for my height speakers. Sometimes we gotta compromise given budget and room setup. I agree though, bipoles for height channels isn't a good idea.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +3

      Bipoles definitely have their place and i even use them from time to time, it's just important to understand how to use them and understand the issues when not used as intended.

  • @brayancrespo1517
    @brayancrespo1517 5 місяців тому

    I have some bipole PSB from 2000s I got on offerUp, and they are awesome - I can listen to Multichannel mode to listen music around living/kitchen. They are also awesome for surround effects (Super realistic sounds with aluminum tweeters) - I did use my Sony SSC CS5s, which are great, but not as detailed for surrounds

    • @brayancrespo1517
      @brayancrespo1517 5 місяців тому

      They are also mounted flat against the wall, little in front toward listener and outward

  • @o.c.g.m9426
    @o.c.g.m9426 2 роки тому +2

    I'm using a RP-502S II for my 2 surround sides. I liked them more then when I used my RP-600M IIs. The 600s aimed right in my ear BUT the detail was more. 502IIs toss sound & I can't tell where it's coming from

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      Bipoles definitely have their place and i even use them from time to time, it's just important to understand how to use them and understand the issues when not used as intended.

    • @o.c.g.m9426
      @o.c.g.m9426 Рік тому

      ​@hometheatergurus It's not that serious, dude. I put the speaker up, and sound shoots out from left to right & sound is going everywhere like I wanted. I'm not going to get evicted or be late on my mortgage bc im using a speaker "the way dolby" says I shouldn't 😂😂. Can't take ourselves too seriously

  • @Marco-cz7rb
    @Marco-cz7rb 3 місяці тому +1

    Really appreciate the effort

  • @andrewgardner3071
    @andrewgardner3071 Рік тому

    Where would you suggest that I mount a pair of Definitive Technology BPX bipolar speakers in a Dolby Atmos/DTS X Pro 15-channel (9.2.6) surround sound setup? Front wide wall, side surrounds wall, or back surrounds wall speakers?

  • @SpecOfTech
    @SpecOfTech 2 роки тому +1

    Great information as always, thanks Steven!

  • @adresc5391
    @adresc5391 2 роки тому

    I came across boston acoustic 575x dipole speaker surround by accident at the goodwill for $15.00.
    Sound awesome a lot more highs.

  • @AV84USA
    @AV84USA 7 місяців тому +1

    I’m thinking Atmos is probably awesome IF you have perfect room, with the specific equipment, specifically placed, managed by specific audio processing, and playing a movie recorded in Atmos. If any of those are off then you just have a high school band all playing at the same time.
    I have an 11x15 room with a projector and a 65” tv and a 5.1 system that works well, and adding ceiling speakers is almost impossible, but not impossible. It would take a lot of effort and money to add 4 speakers up there, and there really would only be room for two. However, I am having a hard time seeing that it would be worth it. Most of my existing library is DTS at best, the new 4k movies I buy are duplicates of movies I already own in DVD and Blu-ray, and new stuff is streamed using questionable codecs and compression. This reminds me of all the effort I went through for 3D; it was gee-whiz but it wasn’t at all worth it.
    If I were trying to recreate a movie theater, I think I’d first start with finding a good buttered popcorn.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  7 місяців тому

      This isn't a gimmick like 3d glasses. It's a substantial upgrade when done correctly. Probably 30 percent of the rooms I design are in living rooms. It's all about placement and the room does not have to be a perfect box. It also doesn't have to be expensive. If you have poor speaker placement you'll get poor results.
      You have to decide yourself how much you care about audio.

    • @AV84USA
      @AV84USA 7 місяців тому

      @@hometheatergurus I care a great deal about audio. However, I’m not charging down the path without knowing where I’m going and why. I’m going to measure a lot more than once before I start cutting holes in my ceiling!
      It may very well be that Atmos doesn’t really translate or scale-down well for rooms smaller than a certain size, or for rooms without specific seating locations. It’s not as simple as sticking four speakers on the ceiling. Deciding how many speakers and where is a puzzle unique to every room, especially when the room is small like mine. I am questioning whether it’s even worth opening the puzzle box.
      My current setup sounds very good and is calibrated well into my (small) room. Adding two rows of ceiling speakers would be too much, since in my room the seating is on two couches on either side of the room, and a row of three theater chairs along the back wall. Two speakers up top would be more articulate but the Atmos specs call for four. I am simply suggesting that there may be times when there simply isn’t enough room to effectively implement certain speaker scheme. A clear 5.1 seems better than a muddy 5.1.4 or hobbled 5.1.2, right? Having said all that, it could still be worth implementing and tweaking a scaled down version if there was enough Atmos content that was consistently implemented, which is why I’m wondering if I’d be chasing a moving target.
      I watched a podcast with an audio engineer who mixed movie sound for “theatrical release” and down mixed for “near field” playback. I got the impression that even in the industry there was a lot of interpretation and competing mixing schemes, and that only amplified when mixed down to consumer media and streaming was a crapshoot. I’m trying to avoid a crapshoot or at least understand all the variables and compromises before I consider cutting holes…

    • @AV84USA
      @AV84USA 7 місяців тому

      When discussing these types of things, I see a lot of quick, emphatic, and absolute responses, but with little situation specific discussion. “Atmos is awesome, if you do it right!” Is not a very actionable declaration.
      I’ve read the same reviews and articles as most of the posters, but that doesn’t really help me understand what I will be gaining, losing, and compromising given my specific reality, and if, to use a term I hate, “the juice is worth the squeeze”
      I have an 11x15 living room in a 5.1 setup with the seating being two couches along the long wall on either side of room. The “MLP” is about 3’ off the back wall. Even if my Yamaha A4A supported 4, with the size of the room and the unusual MLP’s I don’t see a way to add 4 ceiling speakers. I could do a 5.1.2 setup that my A4A supports, but I don’t know if being able to “play” Atmos is worth the effort if I am unwilling to change my seating arrangement and only have 2 ceiling speakers.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  7 місяців тому

      @@AV84USA see ep 49. If you need help I do design home theaters and even in living rooms so feel free to email me for info on that service.

    • @AV84USA
      @AV84USA 7 місяців тому

      @@hometheatergurus how could you possibly “design” my living room when you can’t even answer a query about if, in your experience, going with 2 Atmos overheads is worth the trouble, or could potentially be worth the trouble? I have a DIFFUSE for main listening position (MLP) in a small room and have no experience with Atmos, which is why I posed my question, hoping for perhaps an experienced viewer to share their thoughts without simply regurgitating Dolby standards or “angles” If I bought a pair of Paradigm reference in ceiling Atmos speakers, mounted them, calibrated them, then I would know firsthand if I thought it was “worth it” or if I’d spent a lot of effort and just made my articulate 5.1 “muddy”
      I wasn’t attempting to get no charge consulting services.
      Edit: I’m not trying to sound pissy. I am fully prepared for the answer to be “no, if you can’t do Atmos right, it’s not worth it, regardless of your receiver offering ‘mostly’ Atmos with 5.x.2” or “your seating positions are too spread apart to notice “objects””

  • @SukumarPatel
    @SukumarPatel 2 роки тому +1

    What about the scenario where the couch is against the wall and the bipoles are mounted on the wall behind the sofa, a feet above ear height? How would they be for 5.1 in a living room?

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +1

      Surrounds are to the sides not behind you. Speakers behind you are added in a 7.1. Sometimes you just can't setup properly so do the best you can and if it sounds good, enjoy. It's just good to understand compromises when we make them.

  • @NathanMaharaj
    @NathanMaharaj 9 місяців тому

    What about bipoles overhead in a .2 configuration, oriented longitudinally (ie. rotated 90° from how you had them in this video)? Dolby would have a .2 pair *just* above and ahead of the MLP. So that the most likely reflecting surface is the floor ahead of the listeners, and possibly low on the back wall.
    My thinking here is, I can power only 7 channels, so how do I smear the overhead longitudinally while preserving lateral L/R definition?

  • @gs1058
    @gs1058 Рік тому

    Just found your channel. Love your video. Super informative

  • @grantpokarier7412
    @grantpokarier7412 Рік тому

    What about using tripole speakers as surrounds in a 5.2.4 atmos setup?
    The closest surround is about 60cm away from the person and the furtherest is probably 1.5m.
    Im not sure if i should use my tripole because theyre so close or if I should use standard bookshelf speakers.

  • @ryanr6240
    @ryanr6240 11 місяців тому

    What if you can't place speakers to the sides but only behind and above the seated position?

  • @nathanielunderwood5233
    @nathanielunderwood5233 2 роки тому

    I'm slowing building my theater room...I have 6 Def tach SR9080, 2 on each side for both rows and 2 for the rears...I also went with 6 sonance 6" speakers for the atmos. I your opinion is this a good set up so far or no...I also order the 9080 for towers and center, and adding two in wall subs, but not sure if I want to wait on the svs or go a different route. What's your thoughts?

  • @Hallywrx
    @Hallywrx Рік тому +1

    Best hands-on room creation channel going, well done man.
    Which would you recommend for “on-ceiling” speakers, sloped/angled face(svs prime elevation, klipsch rp-500sa) or book shelves?
    Also for your preferred choice, what to specifically look for I.e. imaging, soundstage, horizontal dispersion, range, etc.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +1

      Thanks Leon. On ceiling, that's a tough one. I personally want to aim at or past the MLP (cross aiming). Many like prime elevation need a mount to get enough angle to even be close to acceptable for ceiling mount. You do need to pay attention to dispersion but a wide dispersion will not trump aiming.

    • @Hallywrx
      @Hallywrx Рік тому

      @@hometheatergurus awesome, thank you. 👍

  • @Do0o0oM
    @Do0o0oM Рік тому

    Please I need your advice
    I currently have 5, 1, 2 and a surround speaker is Bipole Speakers
    I want to upgrade soon to 7.1.2. Should I buy Bookshelf?

  • @markhammon1299
    @markhammon1299 7 місяців тому

    what about using bipolar as the side surrounds where the speakers are running parallel to the wall and bipolar for the rear where the speakers are running parallel. I am running Klipsch RS 42s for the side and rear. Would a mono pole be better?

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  7 місяців тому

      The video specifically discussed all of this.

  • @justinbeamon6624
    @justinbeamon6624 2 роки тому

    I'm really looking at something from Arendal and Chane, they have VESA mount capability so I can buy a small TV mount and have full swivel capability for Atmos speakers! Haha seems pretty cool and I think it'll work out well.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      The Triads I use have 3/8" threaded inserts so bracket mounting is easy but yeah any way to aim those others should work very well.

  • @johndough8115
    @johndough8115 2 місяці тому

    The better solution, is to replace your tweeters, with ones from Humanspeakers. The 70s era EPI 100v speakers I have, use these special inverted tweeters. They spread the sound, wide and deep... to produce one of most amazingly wide, Holographic 3D sound-fields, that Ive ever experienced (and Ive owned about 30 different pairs of speakers, at one point). You can stand/sit almost anywhere in the room... and still get a perfect "Sweet Spot" stereo Image, without any notable Drop-Off in volume and detail.
    EPI was eventually bought by Genesis Physiscs... and they produced speakers deep into the 80s, using those same magical drivers.
    The bass on the EPI's are also fantastic. They are a sealed speaker, so they produce FAR more musically accurate Bass. Full, Fast, Punchy, and Deep Bass. Its blows every Ported speakers bass that Ive ever heard, totally out of the water (as ports make very Artificial and Droning sounding bass). The interesting thing about these speakers / drivers... is that the designer wound them with heavier Gauge voice coil windings. This automatically filters out all of the high frequencies, thus, eliminating the need for an additional crossover component. The reason for this? Not only does it likely bring the costs down... but that crossover components can often slightly distort the musical signal... creating micro-distortions. These drivers also have massive and powerful magnets... producing far more CONE acceleration and Cone Control abilities... meaning far less potentials for ANY micro-distortions, no matter how complex and demanding, that the music is. As such, you hear new things in music, that you have never heard before, on any other speaker.
    While you often dont need Audiophile grade speakers, for a surround sound system... I personally use my speakers for Audiophile stereo listening, as well as for Surround sound movies. I also tend to hate center channels, due to their poor dynamics, and lack of proper balance (centers might work decently in a massive movie theatre, but they dont tend to work very well, in a small home theatre room, IMO)

  • @joergmiller363
    @joergmiller363 9 днів тому

    nice video....salutation from morocco

  • @APSuk2
    @APSuk2 2 роки тому +1

    Would love a video on how you setup an array for surround speakers covering two rows.
    I cannot afford a processor with a channel count above 16 channels so I decided to install a monopole speaker at the side of each row but they are connected to the same channel on the receiver.
    I am sure this is a big no no as it will causing smearing but other than adding a miniDSP to of the pairs to add delay I will have to compromise with a single speaker trying to cover two rows which we know isn't going to happen.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +2

      You have an array. With Atmos it's much more difficult as aiming is key but you've got it. Yes they add comb filtering but so do any speakers playing the same frequencies like mains when they play the same music in both, or mains with no center set to phantom. Enjoy your room as i'm sure it sounds great.

    • @APSuk2
      @APSuk2 2 роки тому +2

      @@hometheatergurus Good to know, thanks for the reply

    • @FirstLast-ve1ne
      @FirstLast-ve1ne 2 роки тому +1

      @@hometheatergurus can you make a video on array set up for 2 rows of seating and details on angles and placement of those 2 arrays when you have front wide and Atmos. Thank you.

  • @gingerninja7187
    @gingerninja7187 2 роки тому +1

    Hi when you was talking about the ceiling speakers (dipole ) with the sound being fired in different directions ,then all sudden you say this is how you need them ,with both firing towards you ,so is this with a mono pole type , or what 🤷‍♂️ also what about tripole speaker , say the Miller & kreisel type

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      Ideally you'll have a monopole for atmos aiming like explained toward the end of the video. Dolby also states this is preferred.

    • @gingerninja7187
      @gingerninja7187 2 роки тому +1

      @@hometheatergurus Hi thanks for that, im looking to buy miller & kreisel tripole speakers , but a little unsure, have you tried such speakers , I assume this type of speaker fires from the front ,and sides ,I believe the sides are out off phase, but maybe you could make it clearer to understand 🙈

  • @DodgyBrothersEngineering
    @DodgyBrothersEngineering 2 роки тому

    Great video that raised a lot of good points. Just one question. With the monopoles aiming at the opposite end seat, would you also tilt the front ATMOS speakers back, and the back ones forward?

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      You can to accommodate two rows and get both in the speakers dispersion (this can sometimes be impossible) but keep in mind like mains we need to be on axis vertically as much as possible. The toe in (like mains) is what can really open up their sound stage which happens with horizontal toe in adjustments.

  • @mattbruno7001
    @mattbruno7001 2 роки тому

    If I don’t have room for 2 rear surround speakers, does it work to use one of these speakers to get a similar sound? I have an open concept with a large opening where the rear right speaker would go.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      If you can't do 7.1 just stick with 5.1. 5.1 can sound great and bipoles can sound great and send energy to the rear wall and get reflected back and sound great but you still have to treat the back wall or should. However with it open back there there's no wall to reflect it. You also want the left side to sound similar in symmetry to the right side with similar reflections. A lack of reflections can be mimicked with Absorption.

  • @handroids1981
    @handroids1981 2 роки тому +1

    Another great video, thanks bud. Now I shall take this info to AVS and pick a fight.
    Nah, they're a very helpful bunch. I only pick fights with Cables Guys. Because they deserve it.

  • @gs1058
    @gs1058 Рік тому

    Any issues with framing an angle in my circling just to hold my atmos speakers? This way they won’t fire straight down?

    • @gs1058
      @gs1058 Рік тому

      Angle in my ceiling not circle

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому

      if the speakers are aimed at the MLP you're doing great so yep building an angled area works, it may be cheaper to but an angled speaker but it works.

  • @doublet147
    @doublet147 2 роки тому

    What speaker brands/models are available to pull off the in-ceiling cross firing? I've never seen one with a drastic off angle degree. Most I've seen are 15-20°.

    • @Snapps240
      @Snapps240 2 роки тому

      My klipsch in ceiling angle to what seems like almost 50 degrees cross.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +3

      You usually need 60 plus degrees to hit it. I use Triad 9 sat which has a 45 degree baffle with a laser guided tweeter than can hit over 70 degrees off axis. One reason I became a Triad dealer when I began designing was due to them having so many speaker options that other brands don't. They also have inwall wides and every speaker in the room can have the same drivers.

    • @doublet147
      @doublet147 2 роки тому

      @Home Theater Gurus thx. I totally didn't think about the tweeter being able to adjust more than the in-ceiling structure.

  • @xavierjohn9
    @xavierjohn9 Рік тому

    What about Tri poles like M&K SS300?

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +1

      Those are intended to be used as rears and work like bipoles. with Atmos we will ideally have mono poles even for the bedalyer but that is a case by case decision. For actual atmos speakers, no.

  • @AndrewScott-d4z
    @AndrewScott-d4z Рік тому

    Do you design rooms for people as I want a 5.2.4 atmos set up

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  Рік тому +1

      Hey Andrew. Yes I design an average of 100 rooms a year. My email is in the video description near the top.

  • @rickheppner1777
    @rickheppner1777 Рік тому

    Well that sucks. I'm running 4 Paradigm ADP-390's dipoles for my surrounds...

    • @PeteNice29
      @PeteNice29 7 місяців тому

      I have a pair of ADP 450s I'm using as heights, mainly because they were already there and mounted close to the ceiling as one does with ADPs. The only issue I found was (and the video addresses this) is the smearing with those and the bed layer surrounds. My solution was to move the BLS closer together, and away from the sidewalls to separate the two axes. Not ideal, but high quality and works well.

  • @glengatt3941
    @glengatt3941 2 роки тому

    I don't know,my first Dolby Atmos system,I got it right, with the challenges of the room being small and it's my bedroom,so to make such mistakes

  • @declanfarber
    @declanfarber 2 роки тому +5

    It’s hard to imagine that anyone would think of anything other than monopoles for ceiling speakers.
    Re narrow rooms, bipole surrounds all the way, but mounted somewhat higher on the walls. I’m using Axiom QS10’s, which are quadrupoles, in an 11 foot wide media room, and the effect is sensational (with M3 in-ceiling Atmos speakers for a 7-2-4 system.)

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +3

      The problem is many installers and dealers don't understand how they work and think you can just put them anywhere and that they help with proximity and think they give better coverage. They have no idea it only works on axis as they just don't understand how they work. There's a huge lack of understanding speaker dispersion and how speakers radiate in the dealer and even design world. I have a background in speaker design although not at a pro level but It helps to design much better rooms than those that don't understand it.
      People see an installer do it or a dealer tells them that and think it's correct.

    • @nattydj8646
      @nattydj8646 2 роки тому

      Yet well regarded designers like Anthony Grimani use BIPOLE speakers overhead when the ceiling distance is 8 feet or less, and Triad (a well regarded manufacturer) recommends it as well when the ceiling speakers cannot be toed in, because the dispersion is wide enough that a down firing speaker couldn't otherwise cover the seating area. To be fair, this is a hack that Dolby doesn't endorse.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому

      @@nattydj8646 not sure if you watched the video as this is covered, it's not really a wider dispersion used as atmos.

    • @declanfarber
      @declanfarber 2 роки тому

      Nobody watches movies etc. with their heads a few feet from the ceiling. Unless this is (a sequel to?) Being John Malkovich. In the case of _side_ surrounds in a narrow room, it needs to be bipolar at least. I’ve been working with this stuff for over 30 years, and direct radiating surrounds pointed at your head from a few feet away just doesn’t work. In the case of ceiling speakers, that’s not an issue in my experience, go ahead and “objectify”.

  • @powerguymark
    @powerguymark 2 роки тому +1

    This video could have been shortened to 60 seconds by simply stating:
    Due to the Advent of object-based Atmos imaging bipole and dipole speakers should no longer be used.
    It really is just that simple.

    • @hometheatergurus
      @hometheatergurus  2 роки тому +4

      Some people don't wanna just be told do this because. Some like to have a ball park idea how things work and why and understand the compromises. They want to learn more about their hobby. You could break it it up into 13 60 second episodes..:).

  • @WilliamEllison
    @WilliamEllison 2 роки тому

    Could you not just build a bubble of speakers around you. Like in a Pod. Something you get into and shut the door. Like an Atmos Pod. I would like to see you do this, and use small cheap speakers.

  • @Snapps240
    @Snapps240 2 роки тому +1

    Another great video!!!!!! Thanks for everything!!!

  • @kevinpeters1944
    @kevinpeters1944 2 роки тому +1

    Hate it when they smear the rear😝

  • @thomassiegers3007
    @thomassiegers3007 2 роки тому +1

    I use dipol for front hight for atmos it sounds good

  • @MatthiasNyberg
    @MatthiasNyberg 4 місяці тому

    MGTOW = 1 SEAT = PERFECT SOUND