Build a Quiet Mobile Small Shop Cyclone Dust Collector
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- Опубліковано 11 жов 2018
- Build a small, quiet, mobile wood shop dust collector that includes a cyclone that can be moved from machine to machine or left in place and connected to piping.
My priorities was to build something that won't need upgrading, will be integral into my current and desired shop, and is quiet. We discuss the difference between "shopvac" style collectors and dust collectors. Reasoning for selection of material, design, cyclone, and dust collector along with a review of the completed collector with different machines.
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Products Used:
Oneida Super Dust Deputy & 17 Gallon Barrel - www.oneida-air.com/
Rockler DustRight Dust Collector - www.rockler.com/dust-right-re...
Rockler Casters
Rockler Dust Right Dust Collector MultiPort Tool Set
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I am 77 years old. I have been into woodworking for many years. I have watched more videos than I can remember. But, let me say this, you and your video opened my eyes. The others have all been amateurs compared to yours. You are just the kind of woodworker that I would want as my next door neighbor. You are a CRAFTSMAN! I would love to be around to just learn from you. Just learning how to plan would be worth a fortune. I will never have the kind of shop that you have but I can still dream. Thanks so much for making this video. I am now subscribed and I will be visiting your website. I can't wait.
The 4 inch vs 2 inch finding that you discuss at 39:22 is really important. This video is packed with great information as you talk through your choices and considerations. Thanks for more valuable content, and you deserve some sponsors for your practical, humorous, and straight forward contributions to the UA-cam woodworking community - good for you!
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A cone shaped reducer from 4 inches to 2 or 2 1/2 inches works a lot better than the reducer type you are using. Not perfect, but I find its better than th estoppel vac. Could avoid the use of Velcro.
I concur with Dan's statement. I just was gifted a 1.5 hp Jet Dust Collector and when I put the 4 to 2 in adapter I was NOT impressed with the suction I had. Now I need a bigger port or a box under my Router table that can accept the 4" tubing.
Four years late to this video, but super glad I watched it! The ONE takeaway from this is the effort put into 'simple' shop furniture/fixtures, pays off down the road, when tackling other projects. Make mistakes on cheap wood, learn joinery and finishing techniques there.
Awesome, exactly what I was looking for! Thank you so much for the in depth review and the tips regarding construction and uses of the system! Im a one man shop just getting started and this really helped solve my dust collection "issues" ...
Another excellent video. Aimed right at the largest audience, small shops. With lots of useful info. Thanks
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Just started woodworking and some metal now little over a year ago. Found your channel some months ago. Enjoy and learning so,much, even the Oman enjoys watching your video's.
I have a smaller then small shop area and found your storage and organizing vids great.
I've mostly been enjoying restoring my grandfather's old tools, finding out many are wonderful finds.
Again, thanks for the channel and efforts, also advice!!!! Should have more sponsors, agree with everyone on that.
Exceptional lessons, man. Thank you! I've been in residential construction for years, but new to the shop life. I appreciate you, brother.
Finally a system I can copy into our work shop. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
AWESOME! Very informative, not just about the build but the small port vs large port application of both shop vac and higher CFM 4" dust collectors. Thank you so much for putting this video together.
Thanks for all your research. Saves us all time, so we can get to designing, and building our projects.
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We were taught that building 'shop furniture' like it was going into someones home, was "Honing Your Craft".
One of the "Dad-isms" that my Dad regularly preached was "if you learn to cut like you are building a birdhouse, all you will ever build is birdhouses!" (thanks Dad!)
Thanks for sharing your project and your knowledge.
I appreciate this video, not only did you show how and what to make, but also the pitfalls one would encounter and possible fixes, thank you for your time.
I have to be honest... I purposely try "TRY" and avoid his videos. Otherwise I find myself spending all day, EVERY DAY watching and learning from this guy. It's addicting.
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I love at 12:17 when you said you do it because you want to learn. As a "new" woodworker, I'm always trying new things when I make things for my shop, and a lot of them don't work out as planned, but I do learn what not to do for the next one.
From somebody who is about to set up dust collection in a small shop - thank you. The information you conveyed is invaluable, and packed into yet another fantastic video. Please keep it up!
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Really like your attitude… you seem to be fun to work with! Thanks for the fresh outlook.
Truly a soldier's death. Old man Hoover salutes you!
Another great build, Shawn. I love my Super Dust Deputy. I have it paired with a HF DC and it works really well. To smooth out the steep curve from your Dust Deputy (DD) into the DC you might consider running a short piece of hard pipe (thin walled sewer pipe is more than sufficient and it is less expensive) up from the DD to a 45. Then over about a foot to another 45 and flex hose into the DC. Just one of many options.
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Love it. Your meticulous attention the the finest details inspires me!
Thanks, but don't kid yourself. There are lots of gaps here and I didn't bother sanding or finishing so....
Awesome build! I have a tiny micro shop,16'x10' and have been trying to come up with a design for dust collection and your design fits the bill. You are so far from the other UA-camrs that are actually are sponsored by companies. Their videos are so full of free merchandise, that they are constantly saying "Thank you to blah blah for sponsoring this video" It's kinda obnoxious, even though they are some of my favorites to watch and have practical build video's. I think it is because we are bombarded by the commercials that are inserted into their videos that hearing another endorsement is just overkill. Thank you for the video.
I remember watching your table in one day, etc., video several times, because I was so impressed with the joinery and the care you took. This project is equally remarkable to me, right down to the grain direction and the width of each level, so the bottom was wider, the middle section was less wide, and the top section was the smallest width. Your hand-tool based joinery seems basic enough for you; however, my building isn’t hand hook based, so these will be much more difficult for me. I agree that shop projects are good builds to practice and learn on.
Thanks for being the fantastic teacher that you are and for sharing this video.
And a big thank you for doing the research and great explanation on the dust collection machines and why you purchased these certain machines. You’ve saved me a lot of time and hassle.
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Thank you... I think you hit the nail on the head with this one. Each machine in my shop has it's own dust collection (a bucket with a household vacuum attached, kinda cyclone clone.) The Sound reduction was deffo a nice touch. Again Thanks for all this info.. Rusty.
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Awesome very in-depth analysis of the difference and the need of both set-ups of dust collection systems.
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Some very good ideas here, thank you!
Damn dude! That was awesome! My wife is sitting on the couch over there so im watching with the sound off. I got to watch this again with sound!
Awesome presentation, I came to watch this for the fourth time. You're an amazing teacher! Keep up the great work!
Nice. I really dig the shop furniture projects. Trying to get my first shop set up and every idea helps.
Get after it.
Thank you. This video answered all my questions on dust collection in my small shop.
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I learned more from this video than almost any other I can think of - thank you.
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And you opened up my eyes also, great job
Great build! I love the beauty of your work.
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Nice Job. I went looking for dust collection but I think I learned more about wood Joints and for that I thank you.
Thats some good looking pine. Good idea buying the bigger stuff and cutting out the pith
Probably the best small shop dust collector video on YTU!
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Thorough explanation. Nice set up.
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Lots of great information. Thanks for the education. Nice build, also.
Your point about using solid wood for shop furniture is spot on. It's a great opportunity to practice and hone your craft. Too many using the excuse that it is just shop furniture and plywood is good enough, I think is a cop-out. Baltic birch wood in many places around the country is just too expensive to use and construction grade plywood often is crappy wood. There are chunks missing a lot of knots, etcetera. And if for whatever reason a client comes to your shop, it's a great opportunity to show off your skill. I had an opportunity to purchase scaffolding boards made out of southern yellow pine that are dead flat and very few knots at an incredibly cheap price, so I stocked up and bought 4 dozen 16'x2" by 12" boards at just $5.00/ board. They just fit into my small one-car garage. I'm upgrading my shop furniture which is construction grade cabinets someone gave me and was good temporary storage until I could buy the type of wood I wanted for my shop.
Good buy
Great job Sam! Your work is outstanding, you really take time to pay attention tot he details and make a beautiful piece of furniture...not just a shop cabinet! I hope one day I can be as talented as you. Thanks for sharing.
this looks and feels more like art than a DIY project. Great video, thanks!
I enjoyed your process. Showing your craft not just putting things together. Good narration.
I love the way you explain everything. Really clean work.
Man, what a cool build. Great job!
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It may very well be a sponsored video, but it doesn't show in the video. You are very clear in which situation and in which setup this system works perfectly, and in which situation you're better of with a shopvac. I think that's also better for the suppliers. That way, purchaching these products won't lead to a disapointment, which could lead to a negative rating, which in turn could lead to lower sales.
By the way. Love your videos. I learned a lot from them...
MASTERPIECE.......totally intimidating for beginners...I have a loooong way to go....Great video thank you
I resemble that!
Great informative video! There are so many different camps regarding the use of dust collectors and shop vacs. Having you talk about taking a 4" hose down to 2" still does not suck out the volume needed for miter or table saw. We have very little room for our future woodworking area in our garage but seriously debated to set up our shop vac or to invest in a dust collector. Since we only have a miter and table saw and no space, shop vac it is! Thank you!!
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That’s some good looking pine! Nice design
Can't take credit for the pine. The tree did that work.
Don’t forget masking tape when glueing miter joints. Open the joint onto the masking tape(upside down on the bench) and when hinged closed, the outside of the joint closes tightly first and the masking tape holds its form very well. Excellent results using simple pine lumber. Looks great!
That is a beautiful piece of shop furniture!
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Excellent video. I love how in depth you went with the entire process. You did a phenomenal job with this entire project. Subscribed!
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Thank you so much for a great video! I really like the way you explain things
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Nice work!
A FYI on dust collection; or more specifically on what makes dust collection efficient:
There are two measurements that are important: CFM and Water Column. CFM is the amount of air moved through the system measured in cubic feet per minute. Water column is the amount of "suction" developed by the system, measured in how high the suction will lift a column of water in a pipe or tube. It is the inverse of pressure, sort of. If you move a LOT of CFM of air at a high water column value, you have a system that really, really sucks. In a good way. A shop vac has a relatively high water column and low CFM, making the suction feel stronger. The dust collection fan has a lot of CFM, but a lower water column, thus making the suction feel lower. Getting the balance of both at the right level will make your dust collection system efficient.
Great build! Shop furniture is fun to build. I seriously considered building the same setup and the only reason I chose to build a stationary cyclone was because of space. I had an unused dead corner that works great for the big cyclone and I use my shop vac with cyclone for mobile cleanup.
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Excellent video and process
Thank you pointing out the need for quiet dependable Dust Collection
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Wow.....
What a great video
You lost me with the type of measurements you were using but was truly amazed at the craftsmanship. I wouldn't be surprised at all the sponsors you will pick up.
I cant stop talking to people about this build.
Thanks again
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Great set/up and nice build, but I would re-design your hose connections to reduce vacuum pressure losses and also provide ventilation for your air cooled motor so it doesn't overheat!
Great attention to your building methods!
I use auto-start/stop switches on my 120V tools so I do not have to listen to the vac or dust collector running when the tool isn't. I too learned that lesson about inlet restriction and also the need for immediate spool up of suction that a miter saw requires. A shop vac can't be replaced! I also have introduced blast gates to redirect my collection use on 2-1/2" and 4"" as well. Points to consider. ..
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I have the same thoughts & based on that I`m hooked to watch all the way thru
Sure wish I saw this video way back when, lol. After finally coming across some more definitive reference material...mainly Bill Pentz, I've come to the same conclusion with DC and SV setups.
Great job an your grain orientation, that's some serious high level Kung-Fu!
Thank you so much. I learned so much as always with your video.
Watching you run that router along the edge of a board you were holding in your hand gave me anxiety. Next build: workbench! Keep up the great videos!
I learned a ton from your video. Thanks for putting it out here for us all. :)
Amazing video! I learned so much.
Thank you. :))
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For the bandsaw: 4 inches of volume splits into two 2 1/2 hose's worth of volume. Go to Rockler and get the 4in to 2x 2 1/2 splitter. Then run one 2 1/2in hose into your main port and then get a flex-form hose that is more rigid and run the other half up the top of the table and set it right behind the blade above your work. I have that set up on my bandsaw and router table.
Very nice workmanship! Fine Shaker cabinet for dust collecting!
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I’m new to this stuff so for me I was getting confused a lot...this video would be great for intermediate to pro level wood worker... I guess if I had plans for this I could do it but I gotta say this video is very informative!!!!
Thanks for all the information.
What a great job.This will last a lifetime. You really do good work.
Great in depth comparison and built video. I also have individual shop vacs by chop saw, drill press/sander. Currently it makes no sense for me to pipe everything to big cyclone that my table saw uses. Also, it's much cheaper to replace a shopvac then cyclone. I consider wear and tear on the cyclone since I'm a DIYer and it's a lot of quick short cuts so dust collector only runs for few minutes at best. Take care
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Nice work. I also love yellow pine.
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Your building methods are so thoughtful. Using wood on wood to bear the weight instead of just binding everything with fasteners. Totally enjoyed your video and hit the SUBSCRIBE. Looking forward to seeing more.
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Brilliant design sir.
Good job! I like the attention to detail and, "doing it right," even though it is just a shop tool. New subscriber.
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Your a very smart guy and understand the relationship between pressure, size and CFM. That is very rare on UA-cam. I can't understand why some buy a monster cyclone and neck it down to 2-4" duct work. They could of done what you did and saved mega bucks.. They even do the opposite , buy a HF DC and then hook it up to long runs of 4" ducts. Then claim it works great, . We know otherwise. Your a role model. I also noted your workmanship. Beautiful. Your a Sam Mallof in the rough. You will do well in life.
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I completely agree on the practice and learn philosophy . You can’t nail and screw all your home projects then expect to have top notch joinery on a client project.
I really learned a lot from your learning experience. Thanks for your effort ...
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One off those video the was worth my time. Thank you.
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Gret video with some cool techniques. May I add: I much prefer this video style to your ADD style videos!
Your video was instructive. I will be building a new woodshop, small 18x24. I'm researching for a dust collection system that will do the job and not break the bank. I was looking at the Rockler 750 CFM . Thanks again for the video,
Very informative little project - I'm so glad I don't rent, and can plan a ducted system for my dream shed. I've been looking at ducted vacuum systems as I design my dream home, and a shop vac system just uses bigger pipes and more definite closure valves.
I'd suggest with your bent hose, if you can get an elbow for where the pipe exits the top of the machine, that will help, particularly if the elbow has a bit of a sweep to it, and ideally the opening that the hose goes into wants to be the same height as that elbow so that you have a much shorter hose run and less bending.
Great build!
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I feel the exact same way about shop equipment, practice practice practice.
Awesome job!
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Great video. Game me some great ideas. I was contemplating spending the money on ducting all my tools. But I think this will be a better use of my money with my dust collector I already have.
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I have that exact same shop vac and I feel obligated to recommend the 2.5" hose on it ASAP. The tiny hose it comes with clogs on EVERYTHING. But as cheap as it was (mine was $40 on Black Friday), it's still well worth it even after figuring in the cost of the 2.5" hose
Hey me amico, Even though I think me paisan (Carl Guinesso) deserves a reply to his motor cooling statement, I gotta say I absolutely love it and all the (just for fun & practice) joinery! Allotting time for self gratification is far more enjoyable than time spent keeping a profit margin. Best of all it doesn't go out the door with nothing more than your profit, photograph and memories left behind.
If you have kids, it's worthy of being a family heirloom! thanks, Wakodahatchee Chris
Excellent video. Great build.
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Great Video! Appreciate The Info!!
To be honest, I've never seen your vid's before and I thought this would be another crap video about dust collectors. I'm happy I stuck around. You built a good system here. Thank you for sharing. Looks good.
Thanks, good build, great content. You look like Sam Kenison😀
You do beautiful work brother. Nice job man. Thanks for sharing.
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Hola! 🖐Like I'm sure many others, I have enjoyed your videos and learned from them just never subbed or left a comment. For that I apologize good sir, but I have rectified that as of today. Definitely a subscriber as of today, leaving you this comment to say that I appreciate the EFFORT you put into your content. It is educational and informative. Take care and have a good one, Adios! 👊
I agree to one of the comments that you are a really fine teacher I really enjoyed the video and was enjoy learning much more from you
If your tower were 6-8" higher and you hung your Dust Rite that much higher, you wouldn't have to pinch your flex hose coming out of the box. Tight curves are the enemy, and pinched hoses are tight curves taken to the next level. I have the same basic setup as you (though not as elegant), but with the HF DC upgraded to the larger impeller, along with a larger plastic bin beneath the Super Dust Deputy. Your tower is awesome and an inspiration. Keep up the good work!
High center of gravity could make it tippy when pulling on hose. Goal was to keep cg low.
great job an great use of jointery to your advantage in certain situations for structural support an integrity. Great job over all.
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Excellent video! thank you!
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Excellent video great review love the cart you made I'm looking to put a vac system in my shop now
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I have this system, it works great!
As so many others have stated - BEAUTIFUL AND BRILLIANT ! This is my first visit to your channel. You have gained another subscriber.
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On your jet band saw, take that 2" port off and make a plywood box with a 4" hose adapter to pull from the big hole the jet has where the port is you cannuse foam tape to seal up the gaps but this way your pulling down from the table top cut out hole, now to let more air in the incert drill a bunch of holes into it like Swiss cheese to let air pull in from the top, thats going to give the bottom of the cavity a negative presure letting the dust collector pull dust from inside that cavity, you can add foam tape to the door and see if that helps.
The jointer its got a perfect ramp so chips slide down and get drawn into the hose you can close it off that will give a lot of airflow off the top, becuse you've created a negative presure area. So it will pull air right around the blades.
On the chop saw you want a large mouth opening like you'd use on the lathe.
Then box in the sides.