They have to do something. They are such a flop the Camira appears a good idea. Even on launch no one enquired for ages, and that's news to me from a ford manager.
@@CarExpertAusI had a novated lease for 3 years. I had a brand new Subaru BRZ. After 12 months I asked what the exit payout would be, they said $59,000. The car new was only $44,000. The GST-free is a scam because the lease company just piles fees on that equate to the GST cost anyway. There is a convenience about having a lease and not needing to budget separately for running costs however ironically it comes at a price. I did a quick spreadsheet over my 3 year lease noting a 12.5% interest and worked out I was actually worse off. I had paid $46,000 just towards the car with a balloon payment remaining of $19,000. The tax saving was negligible. Novated leases trap you in for the time period, heaven forbid if you situation changes like changing jobs or young children come along, etc. In summary, I would avoid a lease at all costs.
@@blertles3 Completely the opposite of what I’ve found with Motorama Ford here in Brisbane. They have been brilliant & the polar opposite of Ford Australia (lazy, hopeless, risk averse, all the usual corporate stuff). Still, I’ve owned an MME Select (470k LFP battery) for a while now & it has been excellent. Zero desire at all to go near any Tesla. A possibility in the future for one of the newer Chinese cars (xPeng, Zeekr etc) but this one’s woking very well for me.
I cancelled it last year after they postponed my order 3 times and I got fed up with waiting. In a greater scheme of things it was a good decision because then they dropped prices!
TBH by the end of that video I had no idea why you changed. If the simple explanation is that you are a car reviewer and need to sample a variety of EVs then fine. Thats your job. But as a personal choice the base Model Y is cheaper, more efficient and has more room than the Mach E. Add to that the the Tesla charging network and its a simple decision. I guess thats why I see the Model Y everywhere (3 on my street) but rarely see a Mach E.
Uh-oh the Tesla fans are upset 😂 Why would you buy a new model Y now… when the Juniper is better and just around the corner. The three model Y’s on your street will look very old and boring once the Juniper is out.
@@Rabsallawah Really comes down to whether you need a car now or can wait, will it be the same price when launched, doubtful as they are currently around the price of the Model 3, that is not likely to be the longer term position. Those people who own one on the street and have got decent use out of them already probably won't care, for most the upgrades won't be changing their lives. Everything about the Juniper is speculation and based on the upgrades that occurred to the Model 3,.
If he stuck with what he already knew, he'd have no new information to share with viewers. Less potential video content to produce. I've seen exactly one Mach E on WA roads so far, but Model Ys are everywhere, so we kind of know all about them by now (good and bad).
The scheduling feature is available for Tesla since start of September. You can have even more granular control using Charge HQ for free. You can pay for solar tracking if you need it.
Bought and paid for by Ford. Seems to be a theme with Ford global marketing via influencers. The one I test drive squeaked and rattled. The salesperson knew nothing about the car. I own two real mustangs. So I a ford guy. But these things are a hunk of crap.
Ugg you should have held out for a Porsche - they are providing cars to every Internet shill possible as they lose at least 50% of their value in less than a year.
Novated lease is the way to go. Number one reason we did one was it brought down our overall tax liability. Nice having everything budgeted and now Orix is offering EV vehicles charging credits. Not sure about over novated lease companies but Orix didn't offer any charging benefits but now will include them on current and new leases going forward. BYD Seal Performance here and beyond impressed. 12k kms not a squeak or a rattle. 100% reliable, fast, great build quality, tons of features at a cheap price. Hard to beat in today's massive vehicle market. So many choices, but some better than others.
I’m trying to get my story out to those who are considering buying a Tesla. If one has never been through this experience before it can be pretty straightforward or a confusing mess. My wife and I went to Long Beach to pick up our leased Tesla but once they showed us the vehicle it was in terrible condition. They attempted to clean up the vehicle paint issues but what we didn’t know right away was that the delivery center doesn’t have water available to detail the vehicles. What they showed us on their second attempt was worse than the first attempt. The rep/sales man said they could just do a VIN swap but we would have to wait a few hours (scheduled us for the last appointment for the day). The second Model Y wasn’t really any better but we were told we can just sumbit a service appointment to get the issues addressed. So we said OK. That service appointment for a brand new car was two weeks. Well the main issue is that when they cancelled the first set of lease documents and created the new set of documents the monthly lease payment went up $90 per month compared to the first car we were supposed to get. Keep in mind the vehicles were literally identical; same color, same options, same mileage, same year, same wheels,, same down payment, same lease terms, same day. Everything was idenitcal including the sales price and all associated discounts. When we asked why the monthly payment was different the sales rep stated he wasn’t able to pull the first set of lease documents after it was cancled and that we could only see the second set of lease documents. I also pulled up my Tesla account and could only see the second set of lease documents. I ended up calling Ally Auto (the lender) because they had me listed with two accounts for those two leased vehicles. Well that was no good. And also they stated they didn’t have the different lease documents, actually they told me they didn’t have any of the lease documents. I was told i had to get that from Tesla Finance. I was finally able to get both sets of lease documents from Tesla Finance but they told me it was outside of their lane and that i would have to talk to the delivery center. i did that but they kept going back to the lender. A total circle jerk. What happened is that the residual value of the second model Y was more than $3,000 less than the original car. Please keep in mind that i signed both sets of lease documents on both of the exact same vehicles on the same day within just a couple of hours of each other. When i asked what the differences were they couldn’t tell me because the delivery center sales rep stated he didn’t have access to the lease he just canceled. I was only able to compare the documents a couple of weeks later after Tesla Finance sent me the two sets of documents (even getting those documents took me more than two weeks, several phone calls, and several emails). The purchase price of the two cars was the same, the down payment was the same, everything should have been the same but they are now charging me more than $3000 more for the exact same car signed for on the exact same day. This feels underhanded and more like a bait and switch or a criminal act. The sales rep that day told us that 5 different people refused delivery of their expected car because of how poorly those cars were prepared. I can only imagine this same screw up with their paperwork occured with them as well. Now i can’t say they were all leased deals but if they were that would quite possibly mean that delivery center scored and extra $15000 or more by those of us who ended up having to have their lease papers redone for a different car. Sounds pretty lucrative if you ask me. This situation is not cool, criminal is how i feel. I’m still trying to get resolution on this but am really losing any hope in being able to do so. I am going to post my story everywhere i can in hopes of esnuring this does not happen to anyone else. i know i can’t be the only one who got scammed by Tesla. I don’t type that lightly. I feel scammed.
Same with the old xtrail. Simply the car maker being cheap. Glad it isn’t a problem for many. An issue for me and won’t buy. The competition do provide a instrument cluster where it should be
With regards the lack of Tesla info screen in front of you, like the after market tilt-mount for the Tesla screen is available and in my opinion an absolute must have, there are many after market screen displays out there which can be easily and cheaply added. I had one on my MY RWD. OK, I know it doesn't come with this as standard but hey, just thought I'd say.
@@SmartHomeHASHTAGSit’s funny, my 2008 Yaris is that exact one and getting a Tesla Model Y was a natural fit, though I do appreciate Yaris having magnifier lens.
Yep. You definitely notice it when you drive a BMW or a Benz or even this Ford in interior quality and the way it drives. But Tesla has improved massively - they just need to stop screwing owners with massive price cuts.
EV mustang is purely a marketing excersize…it (EV) can’t sell on its merits and needs to sell on name (mustang, not ford). Hope it’s good for ya mate, but if the neighbors old one (only had it a few months) before lack of qaulity and niggles got to him. If resale is anything to go by I think it will scare you as badly as a Tesla
I've had a model 3 for 5 years, and have cancelled my cyber truck order. Have just ordered the byd shark. All the benefits of ev, but won't have to wait to charge during long road trips/long weekends.
I bought a Model Y back in June, and it was the best purchase I ever made. I just don’t understand why anyone would buy a car from another manufacturer that may drive well, but that is far inferior in terms of software, and which is made by a company who has no hope of making a profitable EV…ever! Not only that, but the odds of Ford and most other legacy manufacturers still being in business in 5-10 years is very slim. I suppose since you don’t pay for the car you drive none of that matters.
Evidently there are HUGE price drops in the USA on the Mach-E. But, being Australia, Ford thinks they can screw us out of more dollars (as usual). BTW, anyone that's interested, I have Vic MACHGT number plates for sale. $12k
I totally agree about the harsh ride of the model Y. I wouldn’t buy it for that reason alone not to mention others. I don’t think Tesla as a brand is driver / passenger focused-I’d say it is tech focused and minimal human engagement focused.
I really dont understand why people have an issue with Tesla's Speedo location. My wife is 61 and I'm 65, we've done 40000 klms in our two Model 3'S and seeing the Speedo has never been an issue. If the Speedo is in the instrument in front of the steering wheel you glance down. With the Tesla you glance left. No issue. Sure with HUD it's in your line of sight and you don't have to glance down or left however I remember test driving a Golf 8 with a HUD and the Speedo was so in my face it was distracting me from focusing on the road. Another point to make is with autopilot on the car stays dead on the speed it's set at so as long as it's not set higher then the speed limit I don't even have to glance at it.
😂 I agreed. I think it’s because they want to speed but don’t want to get caught speeding so they blame the location of the speedo. I go over sometimes and at the end of the day if I got ticketed, I’ll take it on the chin. Most of the time I put the cruise control on so I don’t have to worry about looking at the speedo. Easy fix!
When I drive Tesla's don't have an issue with looking at the speedo on the screen. As the speed is displayed closet to the steering wheel, so not looking far to see it. Older Toyota Yaris had the speed displayed in the center of the car and that has never been an issue for me either. I think a lot of criticism and apprehension comes from people that haven't test driven them. Things like being one of the fastest cars on the road (if that is your thing) make up for these small nuisances.
Maybe next car the Skoda Enyaq? Be far more family friendly and they would be available by the time you do the next upgrade. Also a video on the lease options would be great👍
I'm in the process of changing my 13 year old SX4 for an MG4.... Bout $24 grand all up.... Got a 6.5kW solar system last month.... free fuel from now on... stoked!
Paul, this is an excellent strategy for a motoring journalist such as yourself. It shows impartiality to different manufacturers and will only increase CarExpert's viewing car enthusiasts. Good job in my opinion.
Because Ford gave it to him for free to long term test. I'm guessing if the other brands had offered the same, he'd have taken that too. But I don't think there's much spare stock of what you mentioned, whereas Mach E has slow sales so need some publicity
Insane to be ordering a Y now when the refresh should be available in the next 6 months. The ride will be vastly improved. I'm guessing that's the real reason the order was cancelled. Also, multi schedule charging has been available for about 4 weeks.
I've been in my friend's Long Range both as a passenger, and a driver - I actually thought the ride was pretty good. If it makes any difference, it's only a few months old. (have they made any improvements recently?) Note that I'm a chauffeur, and quite fussy about ride, too.
I think mid 2023 the model Y suspension was improved. It’s a fairly comfy car now. I didn’t see any media report about it but read heavily about it in forums. Potentially was when they included the rear cargo blind. Tesla seem to update things mid cycle with no fanfare
@@ethranton Yes I think you might be right. The 3 got the slightly softer damping late 2022. However, the new FSD dampers are a big leap forward for the refreshed 3, expect it will do similar for the Y.
Interesting comment you made how easy it is to go over the speed limit. I own both quiet and noisy cars. I don't look at the speedo anywhere near as much with the noisy car as the audible engine revs lets me know roughly what speed I am doing.
You think the Mustang Mach E has a nice interior just wait until the Xpeng G6 and Nio Onvo L60 come to Australia. Both cars will undercut both the Tesla and Mach-E by thousands of dollars and offer 800-volt architecture for faster charge times and such amenities as stalks, massaging seats, heads-up display, bigger batteries, longer range, etc.
The only reason I’d cancel my Model Y order was if I wanted to wait for the new Model Y to be released and available for order! Everything else is just treading water in the interim.
Good on you for trying different cars. I wonder what the charging experience is like away from home? How is that different to Tesla's or do they use the same charging infra?
Thanks for the video Paul, interesting perspectives. Would love to see an in depth video, maybe a series of the State of the Electric Infrastructure in Australia and on a state by state level too
Have been though the same process, loving my MME Select far more so than any Tesla. Other new Chinese cars, TBA for sure (xPeng, Zeekr etc). We shall see but the MME is a delight.
Great video! It would be helpful if you could mention the pricing comparisons for these cars because, as you know, car manufacturers like to add an Australian tax.
I already own 2 Teslas. A MYP and Model X. MYP is a great car for under 55k and Model X is the best car for under 80k USD. Put in another order for the Cybertruck bc EVs are awesome to drive and own. I am loyal to Tesla is bc of the quality and Musk. I love the fact that he speaks his mind and doesnt give a crap about the people who will get butthurt bc he has an opinion. Don't ever change and u got me as a customer for life.
It would be good to have a lengthy video on a wide variety of electric vehicles, BYD, Tesla, BMW, Land Rover, Toyota etc and do what you are saying in relation to the family real test
Why not wait until the model Y "refresh"? Also my experience with owning several EVs is that the Teslas are simply more efficient. But, I pretty much agree with your other likes and dislikes.
Its a shame you guys do not have the MachE Rally avaiable over there yet they fixed allot of things and it has the best ride of all the MachE's. The Rally MachE does not have a problem with power cutting out after a certain time and they added bigger motors to it too to help with performance also.
You failed to mention the price difference, seems a bit biased towards the Ford to me. Having a Model Y I have never had any problems seeing the speed.
Hi Paul, long term real life car reviews are great. I’d like to see how many suit cases you can fit in the back of the mach E…so fully loaded as you would on a family road trip. To me this is where EVs still don’t quite compare to ice suvs that are more boxy rather than the swooped aero EV backs. Thnx
Hey Paul, I’m a long time follower. I’d like to be honest with you, hope you appreciate my honesty from a loyal follower point of view. I don’t think it’s wrong to choose another brand of EV. I myself have crossed my mind to change to another brand of EV when it’s time to upgrade. I might look at Polestar or Mach E or KIA, etc as we know more EVs are coming into the market which is great! I was so looking forward to learning anything new you’ve found about the Tesla Y with the title of this video. I agree with you, broadening our horizon on EV ownership is a good idea but disappointingly you asked Ford for a free EV to drive for a limited time. I think you’ve lost the essence of what makes you different to other car reviewers as I remember you bought the Y and then started telling us how you dislike somethings from an owner perspective. That’s what we love about you. You own the car and tell it like it is. I acknowledged that you’ve said you remained impartial but it’s really hard not to overlook the fact that you’ve been given a car to drive. Wouldn’t you agree it’s a little disappointing? We don’t know what the deal you’ve made and we don’t want to think you’re not honest, I do believe you’re honest about your opinion, but it still disappoints me as your loyal follower. I hope you get my point without being upset. I don’t want to upset you. I want you to know I appreciate your honest reviews of cars, ICE or EV. I will still look forward to another car review :)
As a long haul driver why doesn’t anyone review the cruise control of cars . I drove a Hyundai i30 till the engine died at 448k km. Loved the i30 but the useless cruise control stopped me from buying another. Toyota and Nissan are perfect. Please start testing cruise control especially on hills instead of whingeing about bloody piano black in cars, that got boring two years ago yet you still carry on about it .
Thanks Paul! The Maga Model Y... .. sorry Tesla model Y is a bit old and boring now. I can see why you would like to try something else. Im not entirely sold on the Ford Mustang in comparison with the hole mountain of new brands and models out there now. But Im sure you will test a lot of them soon, so until then cheers mate.
@@RyanCowan Yes we'll wait......... as always we wait for any updates or intelligent signs from mr Maga......Musk. No signs so far..............................
Big fan of Mustang however end up buying Tesla model 3. Loved it has 00 regrets. Driving 18months plus 40k. No issues. Definitely not buying other cars. Heads up display got 1 from AliExpress and installed by myself. ❤ TESLA
I cancelled my model y last year after they didn’t deliver on time. They chose to keep my order fee . Left bad taste in my mouth. Wouldn’t consider Tesla again .
Both the same for AC charging - DC charging much of a muchness too. The Ford uses a superior battery for energy density, but my main concern with the battery is susceptibility to thermal runaway, which you don’t get in the Chinese Model Y we had.
I like many things about the Mach E but something that I really dislike is the knob in the display. If you feel like you have to have a knob then fine. Put it under the display or in the center counsel. But putting it in the display makes me feel like they are trying to be the next blackberry. Just can’t let go of those buttons. ; )
Any EV is going to have precipitous depreciation because they're evolving so quickly that each new model brutally undercuts the value of the old model. The only way to get the full value of your EV is to keep it until it's no longer viable to own. This will be exactly the same for the Ford Mach-e, so expect to lose a load of money on that too. Much as I would love to have an EV, there's just no economic case for people like me who buy high mileage cars and repair them themselves. Just the price of a new tyre (£270 for a Model Y) is enough to put me off, when mine currently cost me £60.
If you really delve into what a novated lease entails, it's a total rip-off. Don't let them bamboozle you into thinking you're getting great tax benefits! Whatever tax benefits you are getting, they are getting negated by the exorbitant interest rate you are paying. They don't tell you that, but when I did my maths back in the day while researching novated leaases, and I asked if the interest factored in was actuatly 12.89%, Maxxia confirmed it!! There are also other factors to consider, so do your homework and do your maths!
Correct on your analysis of the interest rate. Cheaper if you can get lower interest rates on a standard loan. However interest rates are dependent on your credit score
@@mattfm6329 My credit score is excellent. The 12.89% was based on no negatively impacting financial factors. It would have been cheaper to access a redraw or an off-set account to get a better interest rate, or better yet, pay cash which is what I ended up doing.
Mustang Mach-e door cards feel like rubber. This can't be serious. The Mach- e is so over priced. If the base was $50k we might be talking. He is a shill for whomever pays him.
Why I cancelled the car I was buying when Ford gave me a long-term loaner for free
Great summary 🎉
Thank YOU for saving 8 min of my life 🎉🎉🎉
Thank god it’s not a Temu Tesla or a Temu Toyota
Good call
Blahh blahhh I got a free car, man why didn't he just say that
Here, let me save you the time; he got a long term Mach E Mustang as a loaner from Ford.
They have to do something. They are such a flop the Camira appears a good idea. Even on launch no one enquired for ages, and that's news to me from a ford manager.
Why oh why would you buy a Mustang in anything other then the ICE version.
A free car is easier to live with than any car.
Paul is waiting for the new Model Y. 6 months with Mach E for free... Well played
Exactly 😂
100%
A general video on novated leases would be super useful!
Will work on something! There are a lot of traps novated leasing companies take advantage of.
@@CarExpertAusI had a novated lease for 3 years. I had a brand new Subaru BRZ. After 12 months I asked what the exit payout would be, they said $59,000. The car new was only $44,000.
The GST-free is a scam because the lease company just piles fees on that equate to the GST cost anyway.
There is a convenience about having a lease and not needing to budget separately for running costs however ironically it comes at a price.
I did a quick spreadsheet over my 3 year lease noting a 12.5% interest and worked out I was actually worse off. I had paid $46,000 just towards the car with a balloon payment remaining of $19,000. The tax saving was negligible.
Novated leases trap you in for the time period, heaven forbid if you situation changes like changing jobs or young children come along, etc.
In summary, I would avoid a lease at all costs.
@@CarExpertAus maybe rope in an accountant to talk about the traps to be wary of, but also the tax benefits
Go for Associate lease instead of novated. Same benefits but better
No lease is cheap.
Owning means you are paying for it. Not just driving it
‘Why I chose to drive a free car’. HAHA. Dodgy.
Bought a Mach e rwd in May 2023 , sold it august 2024, horrible ride, nz ford service awful, resale value gone , I’m glad it’s moved on
Fords after service is utter crap I’ll agree 👍
@@blertles3 Completely the opposite of what I’ve found with Motorama Ford here in Brisbane. They have been brilliant & the polar opposite of Ford Australia (lazy, hopeless, risk averse, all the usual corporate stuff).
Still, I’ve owned an MME Select (470k LFP battery) for a while now & it has been excellent. Zero desire at all to go near any Tesla. A possibility in the future for one of the newer Chinese cars (xPeng, Zeekr etc) but this one’s woking very well for me.
I cancelled it last year after they postponed my order 3 times and I got fed up with waiting. In a greater scheme of things it was a good decision because then they dropped prices!
Naming this video "Why I'm not paying for a car" doesn't really get the clicks, hey Paul?
8 min ford ad also doesn’t quite resonate viewers.
Then he wouldn't be able to make a video.
Why I cancelled my Tesla order & what I borrowed instead - Fixed the title for you
Keen on understanding a little on the Do's and Dont's on leases 👍
I've unsubscribed from Doug cos of his dishonesty. Just be honest, you are sponsored by Ford. We have noticed since your Raptor purchase.
who,s doug
@@garyblizzard5266 demuro
Conspiracy theory.
Doug 🤔😂😂😂😂😂
@@garyblizzard5266 Better than calling him dung.
I hated the Speedo in the middle in my ex's Yaris. Why would I suddenly like it in any other car?
TBH by the end of that video I had no idea why you changed. If the simple explanation is that you are a car reviewer and need to sample a variety of EVs then fine. Thats your job. But as a personal choice the base Model Y is cheaper, more efficient and has more room than the Mach E. Add to that the the Tesla charging network and its a simple decision. I guess thats why I see the Model Y everywhere (3 on my street) but rarely see a Mach E.
Price, performance and the charger network. No brainer.
Uh-oh the Tesla fans are upset 😂
Why would you buy a new model Y now… when the Juniper is better and just around the corner.
The three model Y’s on your street will look very old and boring once the Juniper is out.
@@Rabsallawah Really comes down to whether you need a car now or can wait, will it be the same price when launched, doubtful as they are currently around the price of the Model 3, that is not likely to be the longer term position. Those people who own one on the street and have got decent use out of them already probably won't care, for most the upgrades won't be changing their lives. Everything about the Juniper is speculation and based on the upgrades that occurred to the Model 3,.
If he stuck with what he already knew, he'd have no new information to share with viewers. Less potential video content to produce. I've seen exactly one Mach E on WA roads so far, but Model Ys are everywhere, so we kind of know all about them by now (good and bad).
Think he explained that.
The scheduling feature is available for Tesla since start of September. You can have even more granular control using Charge HQ for free. You can pay for solar tracking if you need it.
Bought and paid for by Ford. Seems to be a theme with Ford global marketing via influencers. The one I test drive squeaked and rattled. The salesperson knew nothing about the car. I own two real mustangs. So I a ford guy. But these things are a hunk of crap.
...can't blame Ford if people are so easily bought.
Ugg you should have held out for a Porsche - they are providing cars to every Internet shill possible as they lose at least 50% of their value in less than a year.
“Owning” because I’m not actually paying. Um, that’s not owning. Something off with this video.
Agree, Paul is becoming like most UA-camrs, just out for something free
Like I said, La La land
Skewed journalism.
He meant 'owning' in the 'living in it for a time' sense. He made that clear.
@@jarahkaren8074 Clear as mud.
Novated lease is the way to go. Number one reason we did one was it brought down our overall tax liability. Nice having everything budgeted and now Orix is offering EV vehicles charging credits. Not sure about over novated lease companies but Orix didn't offer any charging benefits but now will include them on current and new leases going forward. BYD Seal Performance here and beyond impressed. 12k kms not a squeak or a rattle. 100% reliable, fast, great build quality, tons of features at a cheap price. Hard to beat in today's massive vehicle market. So many choices, but some better than others.
I love that it’s a ‘feature’ to have the speed infront of the driver and in direct line of sight. 😅😅😅😅😂😂😂😂
I’m trying to get my story out to those who are considering buying a Tesla. If one has never been through this experience before it can be pretty straightforward or a confusing mess. My wife and I went to Long Beach to pick up our leased Tesla but once they showed us the vehicle it was in terrible condition. They attempted to clean up the vehicle paint issues but what we didn’t know right away was that the delivery center doesn’t have water available to detail the vehicles. What they showed us on their second attempt was worse than the first attempt. The rep/sales man said they could just do a VIN swap but we would have to wait a few hours (scheduled us for the last appointment for the day). The second Model Y wasn’t really any better but we were told we can just sumbit a service appointment to get the issues addressed. So we said OK. That service appointment for a brand new car was two weeks.
Well the main issue is that when they cancelled the first set of lease documents and created the new set of documents the monthly lease payment went up $90 per month compared to the first car we were supposed to get. Keep in mind the vehicles were literally identical; same color, same options, same mileage, same year, same wheels,, same down payment, same lease terms, same day. Everything was idenitcal including the sales price and all associated discounts. When we asked why the monthly payment was different the sales rep stated he wasn’t able to pull the first set of lease documents after it was cancled and that we could only see the second set of lease documents. I also pulled up my Tesla account and could only see the second set of lease documents. I ended up calling Ally Auto (the lender) because they had me listed with two accounts for those two leased vehicles. Well that was no good. And also they stated they didn’t have the different lease documents, actually they told me they didn’t have any of the lease documents. I was told i had to get that from Tesla Finance. I was finally able to get both sets of lease documents from Tesla Finance but they told me it was outside of their lane and that i would have to talk to the delivery center. i did that but they kept going back to the lender. A total circle jerk.
What happened is that the residual value of the second model Y was more than $3,000 less than the original car. Please keep in mind that i signed both sets of lease documents on both of the exact same vehicles on the same day within just a couple of hours of each other. When i asked what the differences were they couldn’t tell me because the delivery center sales rep stated he didn’t have access to the lease he just canceled. I was only able to compare the documents a couple of weeks later after Tesla Finance sent me the two sets of documents (even getting those documents took me more than two weeks, several phone calls, and several emails). The purchase price of the two cars was the same, the down payment was the same, everything should have been the same but they are now charging me more than $3000 more for the exact same car signed for on the exact same day. This feels underhanded and more like a bait and switch or a criminal act. The sales rep that day told us that 5 different people refused delivery of their expected car because of how poorly those cars were prepared. I can only imagine this same screw up with their paperwork occured with them as well. Now i can’t say they were all leased deals but if they were that would quite possibly mean that delivery center scored and extra $15000 or more by those of us who ended up having to have their lease papers redone for a different car. Sounds pretty lucrative if you ask me.
This situation is not cool, criminal is how i feel. I’m still trying to get resolution on this but am really losing any hope in being able to do so. I am going to post my story everywhere i can in hopes of esnuring this does not happen to anyone else. i know i can’t be the only one who got scammed by Tesla. I don’t type that lightly. I feel scammed.
How much discount did Ford gave you to not mention the just as bad or if not worse resell value?😂
How’s your raptor. I haven’t heard about it. I hope it’s doing ok.
No surprise here. They can't sell them so now they're giving them away.
Would never get a Tesla because of speedo. Having a speedo in front of you isn’t a problem that needed fixing.
Years ago the Toyota Yaris had a speedo in the middle. We didn't buy it for that reason.
Same with the old xtrail. Simply the car maker being cheap.
Glad it isn’t a problem for many.
An issue for me and won’t buy. The competition do provide a instrument cluster where it should be
@@JGrandcourt I stare at a monitor 8 hours a day (actually 2 monitors). I'm glad I don't have to in the car (Tesla) as well...
With regards the lack of Tesla info screen in front of you, like the after market tilt-mount for the Tesla screen is available and in my opinion an absolute must have, there are many after market screen displays out there which can be easily and cheaply added. I had one on my MY RWD. OK, I know it doesn't come with this as standard but hey, just thought I'd say.
@@SmartHomeHASHTAGSit’s funny, my 2008 Yaris is that exact one and getting a Tesla Model Y was a natural fit, though I do appreciate Yaris having magnifier lens.
I do like the traditional car brand the most, because they really have the years of experience making vehicles, and I think that counts.
Yep. You definitely notice it when you drive a BMW or a Benz or even this Ford in interior quality and the way it drives. But Tesla has improved massively - they just need to stop screwing owners with massive price cuts.
@@CarExpertAus hey bud, they're called discounts.
EV mustang is purely a marketing excersize…it (EV) can’t sell on its merits and needs to sell on name (mustang, not ford).
Hope it’s good for ya mate, but if the neighbors old one (only had it a few months) before lack of qaulity and niggles got to him. If resale is anything to go by I think it will scare you as badly as a Tesla
100% this.
It's not a Mustang....
What is it?
@@oggyoggy1299 It is a marketing wank
Yes it is. The company that owns the trademark says it is. That's that.
Tired comment. It's what ever Ford wants to call it.
@@richo2501 my biggest worry is that is a rebadged Temu Tesla from PRC
I've had a model 3 for 5 years, and have cancelled my cyber truck order. Have just ordered the byd shark. All the benefits of ev, but won't have to wait to charge during long road trips/long weekends.
EMF's from Teslas are enough to put most people off.
I bought a Model Y back in June, and it was the best purchase I ever made. I just don’t understand why anyone would buy a car from another manufacturer that may drive well, but that is far inferior in terms of software, and which is made by a company who has no hope of making a profitable EV…ever! Not only that, but the odds of Ford and most other legacy manufacturers still being in business in 5-10 years is very slim.
I suppose since you don’t pay for the car you drive none of that matters.
Evidently there are HUGE price drops in the USA on the Mach-E. But, being Australia, Ford thinks they can screw us out of more dollars (as usual). BTW, anyone that's interested, I have Vic MACHGT number plates for sale. $12k
I totally agree about the harsh ride of the model Y.
I wouldn’t buy it for that reason alone not to mention others.
I don’t think Tesla as a brand is driver / passenger focused-I’d say it is tech focused and minimal human engagement focused.
Shame you're not having a Chinese EV long term, I think that is something a lot of people are interested in.
Far out evreything about that sentence just is bad. Chinese ev long term I couldn’t think of anything worse
@@mitchell5064stupid comment, when was the last time you were in china?
No one in their right mind would want to use an inferno trap Temu Tesla to ferry their loved ones
@@mitchell5064Yeah and everyone used to say the same about the Japanese a few decades ago and today Land cruisers sell for more than sticker.
Mitchell, i am with you. I will never buy a Chinese vehicle. I will walk before that happens.
I think it’s for the better since the new Y is only but a few months away
Moving away from the mainstream is always the beginning of a good move.
I really dont understand why people have an issue with Tesla's Speedo location. My wife is 61 and I'm 65, we've done 40000 klms in our two Model 3'S and seeing the Speedo has never been an issue. If the Speedo is in the instrument in front of the steering wheel you glance down. With the Tesla you glance left. No issue. Sure with HUD it's in your line of sight and you don't have to glance down or left however I remember test driving a Golf 8 with a HUD and the Speedo was so in my face it was distracting me from focusing on the road. Another point to make is with autopilot on the car stays dead on the speed it's set at so as long as it's not set higher then the speed limit I don't even have to glance at it.
😂 I agreed. I think it’s because they want to speed but don’t want to get caught speeding so they blame the location of the speedo. I go over sometimes and at the end of the day if I got ticketed, I’ll take it on the chin. Most of the time I put the cruise control on so I don’t have to worry about looking at the speedo. Easy fix!
When I drive Tesla's don't have an issue with looking at the speedo on the screen. As the speed is displayed closet to the steering wheel, so not looking far to see it. Older Toyota Yaris had the speed displayed in the center of the car and that has never been an issue for me either. I think a lot of criticism and apprehension comes from people that haven't test driven them. Things like being one of the fastest cars on the road (if that is your thing) make up for these small nuisances.
Please do a video explaining more in depth on novated leases. I'm looking at getting one when new Model Y is released.
Yes please. I am definitely keen on the NL video with things to watch out for.
Will do!
Maybe next car the Skoda Enyaq? Be far more family friendly and they would be available by the time you do the next upgrade. Also a video on the lease options would be great👍
Yes to novated lease.
No to mustang Mach-E.
I saw a bumper sticker on a Tesla the other day that said, " I bought this car before I knew Musk was an idiot"
The people calling Musk "an 'idiot" cannot define what a woman is! LOL
...why? Because he doesn't support Biden or Harris?
Great info. Love to know when the Xpeng G6 will be in the teams hands to review. Keep up the great work 😊
I would be more interested if it was a BYD as a family car long term
I'm in the process of changing my 13 year old SX4 for an MG4.... Bout $24 grand all up.... Got a 6.5kW solar system last month.... free fuel from now on... stoked!
Why dont you try one of the BMW EV products? The iX1/ iX2 for example? We've got a Model Y but decided to go for an iX2 for the next car.
Paul, this is an excellent strategy for a motoring journalist such as yourself. It shows impartiality to different manufacturers and will only increase CarExpert's viewing car enthusiasts. Good job in my opinion.
Interesting comparison, what drove you to the mustang over the EV6/Ionic 5?
Because Ford gave it to him for free to long term test. I'm guessing if the other brands had offered the same, he'd have taken that too. But I don't think there's much spare stock of what you mentioned, whereas Mach E has slow sales so need some publicity
Indeed! However I don't think we are going to see the Mach E vs a whole bunch of $1M+ supercars. :(
The only reason you’d go with another car other than a Tesla was because it’s free. Yep 100% agree with that choice.
How would you compare your ford mach e vs kia ev6??
Insane to be ordering a Y now when the refresh should be available in the next 6 months. The ride will be vastly improved. I'm guessing that's the real reason the order was cancelled. Also, multi schedule charging has been available for about 4 weeks.
I've been in my friend's Long Range both as a passenger, and a driver - I actually thought the ride was pretty good. If it makes any difference, it's only a few months old. (have they made any improvements recently?)
Note that I'm a chauffeur, and quite fussy about ride, too.
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I think mid 2023 the model Y suspension was improved. It’s a fairly comfy car now. I didn’t see any media report about it but read heavily about it in forums. Potentially was when they included the rear cargo blind. Tesla seem to update things mid cycle with no fanfare
@@ethranton Yes I think you might be right. The 3 got the slightly softer damping late 2022. However, the new FSD dampers are a big leap forward for the refreshed 3, expect it will do similar for the Y.
@@gregsullivan7408 Yes there was a change to the shocks to late 2022 build, I believe was called a comfort suspension upgrade.
How does the KIA EV6 compare?
Ioniq 6 was a better option?
How much is the insurance?
Interesting comment you made how easy it is to go over the speed limit. I own both quiet and noisy cars. I don't look at the speedo anywhere near as much with the noisy car as the audible engine revs lets me know roughly what speed I am doing.
You think the Mustang Mach E has a nice interior just wait until the Xpeng G6 and Nio Onvo L60 come to Australia. Both cars will undercut both the Tesla and Mach-E by thousands of dollars and offer 800-volt architecture for faster charge times and such amenities as stalks, massaging seats, heads-up display, bigger batteries, longer range, etc.
Please do about the leases
Had a base one for a lone car. Was impressed. Just far to much $$$$
The only reason I’d cancel my Model Y order was if I wanted to wait for the new Model Y to be released and available for order! Everything else is just treading water in the interim.
Hi Paul, you've never reviewed the Evoque, please do so.
Are you going to do a review on the Cupra Tavascan? I would love to hear your thoughts @CarExpert
How is the sound system in the Mustang?
Good on you for trying different cars. I wonder what the charging experience is like away from home? How is that different to Tesla's or do they use the same charging infra?
What about the reliability
Thanks for the video Paul, interesting perspectives.
Would love to see an in depth video, maybe a series of the State of the Electric Infrastructure in Australia and on a state by state level too
From the kickoff I think having the car free makes it impartial!
Mach E have 36 seperate cooling hoses with 72 hose clamps which can spring a leak and create a nightmare.
Are you still driving the raptor?
What about availability of the charging stations if driving longer distances?
Australia uses CCS standard so you can charge also at Tesla chargers if you want.
Have been though the same process, loving my MME Select far more so than any Tesla. Other new Chinese cars, TBA for sure (xPeng, Zeekr etc). We shall see but the MME is a delight.
Great video! It would be helpful if you could mention the pricing comparisons for these cars because, as you know, car manufacturers like to add an Australian tax.
Hi Paul, I would really like if you can do another video about novated lease. Cheers mate.
I already own 2 Teslas. A MYP and Model X. MYP is a great car for under 55k and Model X is the best car for under 80k USD. Put in another order for the Cybertruck bc EVs are awesome to drive and own. I am loyal to Tesla is bc of the quality and Musk. I love the fact that he speaks his mind and doesnt give a crap about the people who will get butthurt bc he has an opinion. Don't ever change and u got me as a customer for life.
It would be good to have a lengthy video on a wide variety of electric vehicles, BYD, Tesla, BMW, Land Rover, Toyota etc and do what you are saying in relation to the family real test
Why not wait until the model Y "refresh"? Also my experience with owning several EVs is that the Teslas are simply more efficient. But, I pretty much agree with your other likes and dislikes.
Why are there no more reviews now days about normal cars that have engines or hybrids.electric electric electric
I haven't watched the video but something to do with Ford I would say, am I right?
Its a shame you guys do not have the MachE Rally avaiable over there yet they fixed allot of things and it has the best ride of all the MachE's. The Rally MachE does not have a problem with power cutting out after a certain time and they added bigger motors to it too to help with performance also.
You failed to mention the price difference, seems a bit biased towards the Ford to me. Having a Model Y I have never had any problems seeing the speed.
Tesla have 2% interest (4% comparision rate) rather than a price drop to sell inventory in AU....
Yea a video about Novated leases would be super helpful, especially what to look out for!
Hi Paul, long term real life car reviews are great. I’d like to see how many suit cases you can fit in the back of the mach E…so fully loaded as you would on a family road trip. To me this is where EVs still don’t quite compare to ice suvs that are more boxy rather than the swooped aero EV backs. Thnx
Lucid Gravity will crush them both 😅
Hey Paul, I’m a long time follower. I’d like to be honest with you, hope you appreciate my honesty from a loyal follower point of view. I don’t think it’s wrong to choose another brand of EV. I myself have crossed my mind to change to another brand of EV when it’s time to upgrade. I might look at Polestar or Mach E or KIA, etc as we know more EVs are coming into the market which is great! I was so looking forward to learning anything new you’ve found about the Tesla Y with the title of this video. I agree with you, broadening our horizon on EV ownership is a good idea but disappointingly you asked Ford for a free EV to drive for a limited time. I think you’ve lost the essence of what makes you different to other car reviewers as I remember you bought the Y and then started telling us how you dislike somethings from an owner perspective. That’s what we love about you. You own the car and tell it like it is. I acknowledged that you’ve said you remained impartial but it’s really hard not to overlook the fact that you’ve been given a car to drive. Wouldn’t you agree it’s a little disappointing? We don’t know what the deal you’ve made and we don’t want to think you’re not honest, I do believe you’re honest about your opinion, but it still disappoints me as your loyal follower. I hope you get my point without being upset. I don’t want to upset you. I want you to know I appreciate your honest reviews of cars, ICE or EV. I will still look forward to another car review :)
As a long haul driver why doesn’t anyone review the cruise control of cars . I drove a Hyundai i30 till the engine died at 448k km. Loved the i30 but the useless cruise control stopped me from buying another. Toyota and Nissan are perfect. Please start testing cruise control especially on hills instead of whingeing about bloody piano black in cars, that got boring two years ago yet you still carry on about it .
Some people are fortunate to be in a position to able to drop $400 and not think twice about it...most of us don't have that luxury.
Looking forward to one of your epic range tests once you get it.
I actually bought a new car too. It was an Alfa Guilia with a nice internal combustion engine
Thanks Paul!
The Maga Model Y... .. sorry Tesla model Y is a bit old and boring now.
I can see why you would like to try something else.
Im not entirely sold on the Ford Mustang in comparison with the hole mountain of new brands and models out there now.
But Im sure you will test a lot of them soon, so until then cheers mate.
Wait till Tesla updates it
@@RyanCowan Yes we'll wait.........
as always we wait for any updates or intelligent signs from mr Maga......Musk.
No signs so far..............................
Big fan of Mustang however end up buying Tesla model 3. Loved it has 00 regrets. Driving 18months plus 40k. No issues. Definitely not buying other cars. Heads up display got 1 from AliExpress and installed by myself. ❤ TESLA
I cancelled my model y last year after they didn’t deliver on time. They chose to keep my order fee . Left bad taste in my mouth. Wouldn’t consider Tesla again .
How’s the charging system between the 2 EV’s Paul?
Both the same for AC charging - DC charging much of a muchness too. The Ford uses a superior battery for energy density, but my main concern with the battery is susceptibility to thermal runaway, which you don’t get in the Chinese Model Y we had.
$450 for a Mustang Mach E, they really do lose their value. 🤣😂🤣
I like many things about the Mach E but something that I really dislike is the knob in the display. If you feel like you have to have a knob then fine. Put it under the display or in the center counsel. But putting it in the display makes me feel like they are trying to be the next blackberry. Just can’t let go of those buttons. ; )
Why not try a BYD model?
because Ford are handing these out to everyone
Any EV is going to have precipitous depreciation because they're evolving so quickly that each new model brutally undercuts the value of the old model. The only way to get the full value of your EV is to keep it until it's no longer viable to own.
This will be exactly the same for the Ford Mach-e, so expect to lose a load of money on that too. Much as I would love to have an EV, there's just no economic case for people like me who buy high mileage cars and repair them themselves. Just the price of a new tyre (£270 for a Model Y) is enough to put me off, when mine currently cost me £60.
If you really delve into what a novated lease entails, it's a total rip-off. Don't let them bamboozle you into thinking you're getting great tax benefits! Whatever tax benefits you are getting, they are getting negated by the exorbitant interest rate you are paying. They don't tell you that, but when I did my maths back in the day while researching novated leaases, and I asked if the interest factored in was actuatly 12.89%, Maxxia confirmed it!! There are also other factors to consider, so do your homework and do your maths!
Correct on your analysis of the interest rate. Cheaper if you can get lower interest rates on a standard loan. However interest rates are dependent on your credit score
@@mattfm6329 My credit score is excellent. The 12.89% was based on no negatively impacting financial factors. It would have been cheaper to access a redraw or an off-set account to get a better interest rate, or better yet, pay cash which is what I ended up doing.
Mustang Mach-e door cards feel like rubber. This can't be serious. The Mach- e is so over priced. If the base was $50k we might be talking. He is a shill for whomever pays him.
100 and 100 of Mustang E is for sale in Sweden. Its shit made from steel. Ford says 600km.
Sweden -10 degrees and you are down to 220-230km