I actually like 1.9 more, because the newer combat is more interesting to me, use an axe to break their shield, and use a sword to punish their axe wiffs And the change to crystals on anarchy servers was awesome, I love watching FitMC just to see the crystal warfare
I’ll be honest guys I swear I really really LOVE the 1.9 update, I really liked the idea of cooling down weapons and tools and when I play Java edition It really don’t bother me at all and the I like axes more than swords but they’re both cool
given you mentioned runescape before 1.9 is pretty much identical to Evolution of Combat back in Runescape 2, 2012 its almost like changing a CORE gameplay element a large chunk of players like is guaranteed to be disasterous
Honestly my biggest gripe with the new combat system ever since it was introduced, is the fact that it is not intuiitive. Nothing stops you from spam-clicking, but if you do you do zero damage. If you are a new player, you have absolutely no way of knowing that this is how the system works. I wish they would have opted with just a slight shorter cooldown, and made it so that you cannot punch at all while on the cooldown
It's worse than that, it's anti-intutive, it actively works against what your intuition AND experience (if you've played MC before) would tell you to do.
I really don’t think it’s hard to understand at all. If you click when the indicator isn’t full it makes a weak sound- I mean what other games encourage spam clicking anyway?
2:59 It actually made bows basically useless since shields block 100% projectile damage and can reflect arrows over a limited distance. Bows were made even more useless by making mending and infinity mutually exclusive, and then by the release of crossbows since crossbows have the piercing enchant that goes through raised shields. Also tipped arrows are very popular and hugely used for endgame pvp. Potion effects such as weakness, slowness, poison are very valuable. Even niche potions like arrows of healing, harming, slow falling and jump boost have their place. They are very accessible through a master fletcher villager, so you don't even need to farm ender dragon that much to get tipped arrows
Minecraft really was never meant for PVP, The PVE experience is exponentially better, and that's what's most important. these minor nitpicks are also things that could easily be tweaked by server owners. Honestly, old PVP is complete dogshit and held on a pedestal by people who play nothing else similar to it- it's braindead, boring, no mechanical nuance in the slightest, and especially after all the souls games and shit like chivalry II came out, it's just a pathetic excuse for melee combat in a game. Notch clearly never considered PVP as a possibility for the game in the beggining and it rewards intense spam clicking more than anything else, which just makes it pay to win- higher quality, more expensive mice can click faster. it doesn't take a lick of skill or intelligence. I got bored of it after the novelty of skyblock/bedwars wore off and I realized A: The actual PVP isn't fun at all, and B: I was never gonna consistently win because I don't have a 200$ mouse and don't want to practice spam clicking all day despite how completely useless that "skill" is in every other real life application and game, because no decent game developer with half a brain cell would implement anything that rewards intense fervent spam clicking- It's total cancer.
@@samgaming3354 PvE with the new combat is dogshit, it is only challenging when you're surrounded by a horde of strong mobs, but that was challenging even with old combat, so it improved nothing. Old PvP is leagues better than the new PvP, and if you think it's just about spam clicking then you clearly don't understand old PvP in the slightest
@@smaragdchaos the old system was ass and took no skill. I used to blow thru all mobs with no sweat because you could spam. I jammed so many controllers/mouses because of the horrible combat Minecraft had back then never would go back
@@juanbonkers6090 ONG sometimes nostalgia truly blinds people. It's not to say the new system is perfect but it's much better and has infinitely more potential
@@smaragdchaos nah It really was just about spam clicking, even the best minecraft PVPers will admit that, like technoblade (RIP). Any good tactics/ mechanics from the old PVP are present in the new system and then some. New system isn't perfect but has infinitely more potential, add the mods better combat with a combat roll/ enhanced movement and it so exponentially shits on the old combat/movement it's not even funny
i hate when people are trying to defend the old combat, and their main talking point is "high cps isnt *that* advantageous in pvp" because it is. the faster you click, the better you do. you talk about missing one click, and how it could be the end of your battle. there should never be a reward for just having the capability to physically outperform someone, rather than mentally. my max cps is like 5, its impossible for me to actually play competitively online without getting arthritis (cant even enjoy bedwars). cps matters like hell, especially when you're trying to play online because SO MANY PEOPLE ARE USING AUTOCLICKERS. you know what would make autoclickers less advantageous? a cooldown that makes you weaker when you dont listen to it. theres no other game i play where one of the reasons you can lose is "oh you didnt click fast enough, but they did".
It was actually better to time your clicks and then use your parry to halve incoming damage, though the meta never developed to that point because everyone was cheating anyway. The system absolutely had to change, they just dropped the ball on it.
Honestly I think if the combat update released alongside the crossbow I think people would have liked it far more. The crossbow for me breathed life into the new combat system combined with stuff like firing off 4+ crossbow into someone to burst them down, harming arrows with multishot to create a shotgun of sorts or loading in fireworks to become a carpet bomber. The trident would have also been nice addition.
I just read the wiki entry on crossbows, and learned that fireworks shot from one will explode on impact. The rocket crossbow is literally a gun in Minecraft!
@@InventorZahran The best(worst) use i found from it was maximum reload speed, triple shot, and instead of going for damage, using single-powder rockets with extended particle radius and vibrant colours. Basically an assault-flashbang. Everyone will hate you, but in a teamfight this mean that your allies will have an easier time. May also impact fps, so this might qualify as a P2W weapon.
As someone who frequently played on servers in the 1.8 days, I don't miss the old combat system at all. The worst part of the update for me was the server community refusing to move on from 1.8. I eventually lost interest in big servers and pvp entirely, and now I mostly play singleplayer or on the occasional small smp. For me 1.13 was the point I decided those servers weren't worth my time anymore.
1.9's changes for me always felt underdeveloped, like they were pushed out before good testing and QA could be done. They're... fine enough I guess. Though they needed a lot more to them to make the combat not feel like it was just a change that added a timer to your swings and an annoying sweep effect that made neutral mobs angry at you if you were trying to hit something else. I think if they had added a larger variety of weapons, and maybe even some unique armor with different effects to the existing sets, then it could have made combat way more interesting, but all it really achieved was adding some tedium to it that doesn't need to be there.
I think they wanted to stop while they were ahead with the changes and allow people to get used to the main new components of the new system: timing attacks and shields, but then decided to pull back on ever making further changes so they don't just recreate the controversy - no matter how much those changes are needed. This reflects their overall more conservative approach to Minecraft that they've been taking post buyout.
The beetroot and beetroot stew already existed in Bedrock Edition, so adding them to Java was just a parity fix. Blame the Bedrock devs for adding a useless food item!
I don’t think it was “bad”. What I think it was was it was the first update that Microsoft did and it fundamentally changed something drastically so people hoped on the “Microsoft is gonna ruin our game”. I’ve tried both and I like the newer version better
@@youtubewatching1373 the old combat purely was exponentially easier and required absolutely no thought, you were rather overpowered and literally any melee enemy could be curbstomped pathetically easily. You cannot use that argument in good faith.
I gotta say I'm getting tired of the old narrative of 1.9 combat changes being so bad. Yes, the massively talented players and YTers have made amazing strides in understanding and execution of the 1.8- combat mechanics, but for 99% of players it was just spam clicking and whoever had the lower ping won. The new combat is a lot more vast but also more shallow which leaves it more accessible, and I think has been one of the major points in allowing the game to reach the massive audience it has
As a casual player who never does PvP, I prefer the 1.9+ combat mechanics. I'm not going to say 1.8 was easier, but it was definitely less interesting. Fighting mobs in 1.9 feels much more challenging and strategic, since I have to make every sword strike count. The sweeping effect helps somewhat (and is hugely useful in XP farms), but I still feel the need to conserve my hits because of the cooldown time. Skeletons are a much more intimidating enemy with their smarter battling style, and I still genuinely fear them unless I'm well-armed and armored. Of course all of this gets much easier when you have a shield, but I usually don't acquire a shield until fairly late in the game.
I was on the fence until I learned that 1.9 introduced Beetroot. This is such a useless vegetable in the game currently. So impractical to turn into food and won't even stack.
i wish the weapons were more diverse if they were gonna do all that, maybe add a dagger and a rapier or something that trades off range and damage on different scales
Yeah, that would be nice to see: Dedicated weapons that are weaker, but much faster. Maybe give rapiers the ability to at least partially bypass shields, giving you an incentive to use them against people who hide behind them. Could also have daggers do much more damage whilst behind someone and sneaking. Something like that, though maybe needs to be tailored to prevent people from exploiting it.
i honestly think the new combat system is good for some gamemodes and old combat is for bedwars and others,in survival i prefer new combat since its much more fun than the old combat.
I actually mostly agree with that - I think the new combat spices up survival in a lot of ways. Still annoying to fight tons of mobs without being able to spam click though, especially 4+ skeletons at once!
@@wetfart420 Yeah the new combat makes 1v1 fights with mobs braindead easy. Group fights with mobs are awful with the new combat, but that's quite challenging even in the old combat
As someone who enjoys PVE, I actually like the 1.9 combat. I find PVE more fun and enjoyable with 1.9 combat than 1.8 combat. I've played some pve maps such as Shock Arena, and trust me if you have to deal with like 5 skeletons at the same time even if a shield you're not out of the woods, and this is because unlike the 1.8 sword blocking, shielding doesn't block any attacks that are not coming from in front of you, so that means if you're preparing to block and arrow, a zombie for example could very well ambush from behind and hit you. I indeed had to like calculate timings of when each skeleton shoot so that I can face the skeletons at the right timing to block their arrow. Obviously this isn't gonna happen in survival, but I anyways barely even play survival, it's not my cup of tea. I'm not a big fan of PVP (mainly cz I actually suck at it, both 1.8 and 1.9 combats), however I do agree that for PVP 1.8 combat is better. But let's be honest, I don't see why people just stay in 1.8 (ofc if they only play for PVP that makes sense but I bet not everyone only does PVP), they could, say go to a later version when they play survival and if they want PVP or smth like playing on Hypixel they log on 1.8, plain and simple. I think that this makes sense.
@@scandalouspanda7489 At least those "conflicting and unfinished ideas" where still good, and usually had purpose. And i think you're honestly not giving notch enough credit, because the game was genuinely more professionally deigned back then. It's *modern* minecraft that feels like a mess of conflicting and unfinished ideas... And it really is. There's no direction or reason. Things are added so randomly, not to mention how mojang spends ten times as long on worse content/ideas...
@@atanaZion this is so true. Honestly the only issue is mostly how Microsoft must be pleased by child friendly, and trying so hard to keep every minecraft platform equal... like the iPhone vs a ps5 vs a Java compatible pc/SteamDeck. It's difficult on the company dispite having a lot of workers, and it's difficult on hardware and so on.. honestly I think minecraft on anything weaker then a switch should be broken off and put onto its own version. A kind of minecraft light with its own studio, it will have less features but still be a Honorable recreation. Where as minecraft bedrock can be developed without the hinders of mobile. Saving resources and manpower and possibly increasing the complexity of our updates.
Personally, I LOVE the new sword-sweep attack. If people dislike it, just remember: Baby Zombies were a thing before this update. And they were LETHAL before the sweep was added!
1.9 was a fantastic update. Giving the End dimension an actual purpose other than being an arena is something everyone seems to conveniently forget about when they criticise it.
In the video, i talk about how I do like the end updates. But I wish they would've done a little more to make it more lively like they did with the nether update, and I think it was another step away from sandbox and toward adventure style play. Which is good or bad depending on the type of player you are!
People say 1.8 was the last update with good combat, but I disagree. The best combat was in 1.7, because you had access to the forbidden dark art of blocking and attacking at the same time (pressing left click and right click simultaneously). That was a little jokey, but my point still stands.
1.9 was actually good, spam clicking is stupid and armor nerf actually balanced armor, also it makes sense that axes deal more damage than swords, and the elytra saved so much time and made traveling easier 0:56 also why does it looks like that he's intentionally missing attacks
The literal only thing they can do to make this update so much better is to swap the sword and axe's damage output while retaining their swipe speed. At least axe will still be viable and swords won't be utterly pointless because of them.
I just realized the Ultimate Minecraft Guide magazine I got when me and my family visited London... was from the time before the Combat Update. The update launched in February 2016, while my magazine is from October 2015. It's honestly a reslly fascinating time capsule... it showed many of the things I still remember Minecraft for. I haven't played that game in a _looooong_ time (college am I rite), but when I think about the game, much of the new stuff doesn't come to mind. I keep forgetting you can't spam click the swords nowadays, I keep calling the Badlands "Mesas", I still think of the classic Zombie Pigmen... heck, for some reason I still think Tundras are in the game, despite the fact they were gone by 1.8. It's... bizarre. To look back and see how much the game changed, both before the version I'm most used to, and after. Regarding what I'd think, while the addition of shields seems pretty neat, and the Elytras and End Cities look phenomenal, I'd still take the spammy combat. While it's neat that the combat now requires a bit more thought and focus, on the other hand, it could be seen as a slight overcomplication.
2:29 Not entirely true Hypixel is still primarily a 1.8.9 server with cross version support for the people that don't want to switch their version to 1.8.9 or simply do not know how to do that. And there are a lot of 1.9+ pvp servers that use the new combat.
I really didn't like the Update when it came out but now (my PvP time is over a while anyway) i actually think it isent that bad and i got used to the new PvP System
Another great video! One thing you may have mentioned was the increase in processing/memory requirements needed to play 1.9. Coming from this 55 year old guy (probably 52 when 1.9 dropped )...I tried to load it up and play it. However, my old (and only) Acer laptop with 2G of memory would not allow me to play. I spawned into my first world and the lag was so intense...I couldn't move around/turn or control my character...so when night came...the monsters got me easily. Until just recently, 1.7.10 and 1.8.9 were the last two versions I played for YEARS. Thank the gods for mods! Now that I have a new gaming PC with 16G of RAM, I am playing the current version of Minecraft and finding the learning curve amusing to say the least. I really should do some videos myself... "Old Guy finally plays Minecraft 1.20..." One of my first WTF?? moments was with finding Copper. What could you make with it?? Not enough in my opinion. Also the hint/crafting stuff...meh. I looked up on the Wiki how to craft a shield. I agree, the damage a sword does now is a little sad compared to 1.8. I do like those shields when it comes to Skeletons. You're correct they are more crafty than they used to be. Oh well at least I had other YT videos to keep me somewhat updated as the versions kept going. Copper still bugs me however... I wish they added bronze weapons or something. I digress. Thanks for another great video!!
Idk tf ur talking about ur on crack lmao, blocking did NOT take all damage away, it made you take a fair amount less dmg but not all of it no frikin way lmao, cause someone with a better weapon than you and your armor even, will f u up
I actually liked 1.9 as an old Minecraft fan Plus 1.9 had things people can agree are good like end city’s I’d say 1.9 is decent Imo 1.19 was disappointing and later added chat reporting Beta 1.8 is an update I really like despite its flaws 1.10 is bland but didn’t ruin anything
I am a bed rock player, so when I tried Java for a day... it wasn't the best. Laggy, combat things, axe which did more damage? I only kept it because... a different feeling while playing it?
1.9 is one of the better updates. Combat rework was for the better, you don't win anymore because you have a high dpi mouse(timed attacks) with the best armor in the game(pre 1.9 armor had a minimum of 88% Damage Reduction to ~70%) and a stack of enchanted gold apples(I think the stat nerf and removal of the crafting recipe was a bit much, but was overall better). Axes got higher damage and shield breaker effect, which makes them a equal to the swords as the swords have better DPS, AoE, and last twice as long, with Shields being a good checker to bows while being a bit worse in melee combat(pre 1.11 shields only negated 33% of melee damage, though said change buffed Axes and nerf Swords). the "improvements" of The End made it worthwhile to fight the dragon and grab the Elytra, whilst finding solid equipment to save time on enchanting powerful armor and fighting the then elusive Mending enchant. Honestly my issues are with Hunger buffs being overwhelming as regening health was just as good as eating a 1.9 enchanted golden apple, Frost Walker being a mediocre enchant, The dragon itself being a gatekeeper then a actual boss, Beetroots, Lingering Potions being as underwhelming and needing a buff to apply a third tier effect, and Sharpness being nerfed(I think the 1 to .5 for the four tiers was dumb and should've been .75). With that said, 1.9 is one of the better updates of the 20 major updates.
1.9's addition of both Mending and the Elytra went downhill later on, especially with 1.11.1's firework boost feature which makes the Elytra devalue every other mode of transportation in the game, and 1.14 making treasure enchantments such as Mending extremely easy to obtain with librarians, with the only actual difficulty being the BS RNG of re-rolling their trades.
I believe that the Elytra and Mending is what turned Minecraft into a farming/generator simulator. Now Minecraft is far more about improving efficiency rather than building. Because the Elytra made building not necessary
As a former devoted Minecraft PVPer, backloaded combat doesn’t feel right. Even 1.8 combat doesn’t feel the greatest. In my opinion Minecraft pvp was the best in 1.7.10 with block hitting and a lot of other fun quirks like eating and breaking blocks at the same time. While I enjoy newer updates and their survival aspects the pvp is essentially dead to the community. Backloaded combat net code is the abysmal and 1.8 sword hits don’t connect. It sucks that we won’t ever get, in my opinion, what peak minecraft pvp was ever again. However, the reason I actually stopped playing minecraft originally as more and more Microsoft updates came out was that I really only played 1.7.10 every single day. As minecraft expanded, my gameplay didn’t which left me bored. Coming back to minecraft after all these years with new updates has been a major change in how I interact with the world but I do find it super fun. As you stated I wish we could toggle on and off the combat styles but I think the combat update allowed more people to get into the game because of its ease of access AND fun new arrow types. Minecraft as a game has had such a massive shift from what it was once. Minecraft now seems to focus more on survival rather than large scale servers which made the game find a newfound popularity in friend groups playing on their own private servers rather than joining mineplex or hypixel for a night of mini games. Maybe it’s the gen z nostalgia now that we have money for our own servers but the game’s shift to this more nuanced and “quieter” aspect I think was its savior. Minecraft has always been about exploring the world either on your own or with friends which allows you to craft the story from your own narrative. I miss the old days of a Saturday playing mini games like hunger games or dragon escape but the simplicity of hopping onto my group’s server to mine a bit and just talk about life is much more suited to who I am as a person now.
i still think to this day that old pvp was basically brain dead spamming... no seriuosly i hated that and still hate that system it just doesn't have any subtance to it. by the other hand new combat has more to offer axes are stronger than swords but they are a lot slower tridents are more powerfull too but still slow aaaand has more uses also axes now plays a major role into combating players since they can dissable shields also typed arrows are one the best additions too being able to deal both fire AND poison damage while hitting hard with power 5 to a full protection 4 netherite player is a dream also weakness arrows are way worthier than splash potions in order to cure villagers for 3 potions you get 24 or 64 on bedrock/legacy and 3DS by using a cauldron, just shooting them with little to no charge makes the trick
As someone who has played Minecraft forever, I agree that 1.9 was a bad update, but I personally believe that 1.13 was the worst update because it was the first update I couldn’t run smoothly on my PC. It was the first update where Optifine was required to play Minecraft and on top of that almost every server at the time couldn’t update to it
@@sidthebrownkidd8742 hmm... yeah... although it's really not that difficult to install performance mods sodium, iris, and phosphor will literally multiply your fps what is this guy complaining about was he too lazy to install forge
@@johnes4882 so what? it's still super easy to solve the performance problem. it really doesn't matter how 1.13 affects your performance if you play on PC
I remember the lead up to this update dropping and all the doomsday stuff and being so angry they were changing our good ol spamclick sowrds, but after having experiences both I really do like the current combat system. Definitely needs some balancing though---shields are way too OP and without that sense of constant danger caused by the mobs it can be hard to remain invested bc it all feels too easy. It kills a certain type of creativity I think.
The thing is that even in the old combat system there was a cooldown, but the player was unable to interrupt it, not like today where every klick resets the cooldown. The old System was something for every casual (just spam clicking everything was simple and fun) and something for advanced players (the combos to gain more knockback and stuff). Microsoft just thought of "Never change a running system" and ignored it. And I'm not even talking about the inconsistency that some tools gain more attack dmg when upgrading from wood > stone > iron and some just didn't and sometimes the cooldown was shorten with better gear, and sometimes it didn't. Some people did a little math and came to the conclusion, that the either the wooden shovel, or stone shovel (I don't quite remember) where the most effective tool. All that upsets people (me included) and I'm happy that since 1.16 there is at least a command to make the cooldown 0 again.
Spicy opinion: I didn't do pvp or anything, but to be honest, the game's combat prior to this update was hot steaming garbage, I don't miss it now and didn't miss it when they made the change.
TLDR; theres so much negativity surrounding 1.9 pvp people dont truly understand the mechanics that exist in it, and that it still has just as much depth, if not more, than 1.8 pvp, but yea PVE got easier As someone whos played since the day mc released on xbox 360, and has played consistently since then, im just gonna say I think 1.9+ combat is simply more fun and complex. 1.8- combat, despite what you said, is still super simple spam click real fast. yea theres certain mechanics like juggling, strafing, and W tapping, but those mechanics still exist today. juggling and W tapping still very much exist in 1.9+, its just harder and looks a bit different. Swords are still able to put out way more dps than axes, but because of shields, axes are required. But sword still does way more dps than the axe. I do think that PVE has became way easier tho because of shields. Cant argue that. I just think that since theres so much negativity surrounding 1.9 pvp people dont truly understand the mechanics that exist in it, and that it still has just as much depth, if not more, than 1.8 pvp
@@leomassafm160 because the iron and diamond axes have significantly faster attack speeds, not only can you tell if just by using them if you aren't purposefully ignoring it, you can turn on tooltips to see lol. You can also check the wiki and see they have quicker recovery times as the tiers go up. It makes a lot of logical sense and is an interesting way to make the weapon progression for axes different, but it seemed to have confused the 1.8 pvpers who can't understand a combat system with literally any mechanical nuance/complexity, which pretty much sums up the real reason they don't like the new combat.
Bedrock: 1 shot creeper, zombie, skeleton, spider, slime, wither skeleton, blaze, and more with no cooldown. Also Bedrock: wither has 50 more hearts than a warden
To be honest I think straying away from having to click fast for long periods of time was a good change since it made it more accessible for people who can't click fast for one reason or another. That being said, fuck shields, they're inconsistent and make early game pvp a slog to play.
I find the whole 1.8 combat thing being kinda rediculous. You say it requires skill, but it does also matter just how fast you click and you try and go for the most opportunities to do damage which means getting really close and going around in circles. While with 1.9 combat you can't just go in spamming and you have to think a little, if you plan on doing crits you're more vulnerable to being hit because you're in the air and air strafing isn't amazing (I mean, it's better than IRL but worse than being on the ground). I think removing shields would benefit PvP because shields remove the need for armour if you're careful enough. Then again I'm someone who in FPS games plays sniper (I have 1 video of my abilities) and I like a single accurate powerful shot over many less accurate weaker shots and so I treat those who go on about how much they love 1.8 combat with the same contempt as those who use machine guns and SMGs and fire for more than a few shots at a time as they're basically identical. So I don't doubt that people who love 1.8 combat also usually go for machine guns and SMGs and avoid sniper rifles I do think that 1.9 does have a higher skill ceiling but it's also a different skillset to 1.8. With 1.8 there's a lot more going in circles and tracking players, while 1.9 is a lot more face on and going forwards and backwards. 1.9 removes needing to track much but it also adds in your ability to go backwards without getting stuck on anything, needing to take into account times and if you missed then you're a little fucked for a second, it does mean that less experienced players can get luckier and win fights but I think rather than that reducing the skill ceiling I think it instead lowers the skill floor. If you're a new player and you understand you have to recharge between hits you can take part and not do terribly. It's a huge shame that PvP combat only ever caters to 1.8, I'm not aware of joining any server with PvP that doesn't have 1.8 compatability. So it could also be that those who love 1.8 combat have to because that's all they can use
Really to be honest in a phycological sense, We as humans need change to move forward, the combat update was in this case, i didn't mind it too much but others, not so much. I've come to accept the new combat mechanics, (Except the gattling gun skeletons as you get really close) I've come to a point to appreciate how far Minecraft has come, good or bad, and with that i can reminisce the "Good old alpha days" and the modern counterparts also.
I like the combat but I know you will disagree is just my personal opinion you don't have to agree. But they should still have that combat system if you can change the settings if people still like it.
My issue here is that all of the comments (and the video, to a lesser extent) are forgetting that Minecraft updates are never made with PvP exclusively in mind. It really frustrates me to see that 1.9 added so much content into the game - the new End, the Elytra, new enchantments, etc. - and people only dislike it because “ErMaHgErD pVp Is GaRbAgE nOw WoRsT uPdAtE eVeR”. Like, yeah, PvP is a big part of the game, but that doesn’t mean it should be the main focus. The goal of this update was to make a different combat system for singleplayer, and I think Mojang/Microsoft succeeded.
I think the main problem with the new combat system was how it's kinda made for a different game. Minecraft is supposed to be a very simplistic game with simple mechanics. They then decided to add some sort of RPG-like/action adventure-like combat system, and that sorta showed us the changing direction Mojang and Microsoft were taking the game.
I think the 1.9 combat update was needed, minecraft combat was really dumb and it didn't had room for various fighting styles, i get the argument that the cooldown make the game slower but it was needed to make fighting more tactical and fun to play
@@youtubewatching1373 bro it’s not personal, it’s just that i know both pre 1.9 and post 1.9 and i think fighting in newer version just make more sense and has more depth
I don't know about you all, but I don't play the game to fight monsters, I play the game to gather resources and to build, especially on mulitplayer. Pre 1.9 made it easy to ward off the occasional zombie or skeleton being a nuisance, just a quick annoyance then back to work. With the cooldown added, all it amounts to is a lot of waiting and not doing what you actually want to be doing. It was bad enough with the Zombie AI changes from 1.6, making it so that one can see you from 300 miles away and spawn more around you, but at least it wouldn't take long to kill them all. Not the case now. But the swing speed and cool down is far from the only issue, even though it's the one most commonly talked about. They also nerfed enchantments in this update. I replayed some older versions lately and was shocked how good even Sharpness III was compared to modern Sharpness V. That makes it even more of a pain to kill even individual mobs. Then there's the armor changes, making it a lot easier to die to surprise attacks, particularly Creepers (especially when I swear Creepers are bugged and don't always hiss before exploding in later versions, which makes you go from alive to dead immediately with no chance to stop it, but I digress). But I think the worst change might be the sweeping effect on swords. It gives very little practical benefit to attacking groups of mobs, but comes with many risks. Biggest one is probably accidentally agro-ing neutral mobs that just happened to be hanging around the hostile mob you were trying to kill. I cannot tell you the number of times I've accidentally agroed a Pigman when I'm just trying to kill a Blaze or Wither Skeleton or something. There's also the issue of farming passive mobs, say you have a pen of cows that's getting full, so you breed them one more time then start killing some of the adults. Well, have fun also putting a few swings into and possibly killing the babies as well! There's a ton of examples like this; hitting a villager when you're trying to ward off a hostile mob near it which then agros an iron golem, hitting a pet wolf when you're trying to fight mobs around it, hitting other players in a cave when you're both surrounded by mobs, etc etc etc. All this combined makes for an absolutely terrible experience that gets in the way of the parts of the game I enjoy. Give me the old combat system any day.
All of the 2 PvP-Systems are cool. And when you wanted to play with shields and other new Items without Hit Cooldown, then play Minecraft Bedrock Edition. When you'll play with old Items without Hit Cooldown, then play Minecraft Java 1.8
Although I started playing minecraft in 2015 and the year I played the most was 2021, I prefer the pre 1.9 combat system. A few days ago I started a world in minecraft 1.8 and I really like it, it's very simple compared to modern minecraft.
I'm just playing modpacks and don't care what Mojang is adding in new updates. Mods can offer much more. Everything Mojang have added existed for years and had much more depth.
"People hate change". Most of the time, it's not that black and white. For what it counts, the issue is it barely did anything. Same thought from 1.9 to 1.13
The biggest problem I see with the new "not spam click to attack" thing is, that new players often just spam clicks. Like, girls, and not so great "gamers" usually just spam the mouse.
yeesh. coulda avoided the weird sexist and asshole angle and just said “not so great gamers” without putting gamers in quotes too. you can enjoy games n suck at em. as someone who sucks at gaming cuz hand eye coord sucks, i prefer the new combat. i don’t understand your pov.
@@AlexisTwoLastNames you got offended like a girl. And like a gamer. As my old neighbor used to say, meme them until they cry. Then make memes about them crying.
Im just tired of hearing bad things about 1.9, i play this game since 1.7 and combat for me was always boring and too repetitive and 1.9 changed that, ita not perfect, but its not bad either Btw the skill celling on old combat is just awareness stuff and not really part of the combat and btw this is still part of the new combat as swords can still combo
People say that the last update for Notch is 1.8, but this is a lie. In fact, Notch was running on two updates in 2014. The first update was 1.8, the second update was 1.9. The 1.9 update was scheduled to be released in 2015, but Notch sold the game to Microsoft, and Microsoft postponed the 1.9 update to 2016. In short, the latest update to Notch is 1.9
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I quite like 1.9 as it's a nice alternative compared to the latest version being so bloated. It's a good transition version despite bugs and silly design. Doesn't have the newer textures, doesn't have (too) much bloat compared to 1.8.9. I'm currently enjoying a survival world on here, I feel like to enjoy 1.9, you kind of have to step back and understand that it won't ever go back to the old system. It's very similar to 1.8 so it's a good balancing point.
I’ll be honest guys I swear I really really LOVE the 1.9 update, I really liked the idea of cooling down weapons and tools and when I play Java edition It really don’t bother me at all and the I like axes more than swords but they’re both good
the pvp is bad. but while 1.8's pvp is better thane 1.9'. mods that expend that later one are amazing. prob better than 1.8. And lets not forget that for pve its actualy better. and that was their main focus. wich at least in my opinion, they succeded in. Lets not forget survival is suposed to be creative with steps. it was hard back then because there wasnt enouth in the game that you would make a survival to build with more steps. you wanted to survive and grow. and at some point you were too deep in your world to not start building. but as years passed more people just wanted a creatie mod but you gotta put the work. so it became easier to survive. I would honestly rather have a proper survival mode in addition to he chill one. rather than getting the old pve. Anyways cant wait for jeb's pvp experimental to be added. it has been so long and yet it seems he is still woring on that.
I personally don't think the update is that bad. They changed something that probably needed it. Was it for the better? Sort of they could've added more depth but they didn't. The combat is fine but the update jeb made looks even better. I dont really hate either combat styles both are good in their own ways
unpopular opinion: 1.9 was good for pvp imo you can still use swords for certain mechanics and it gave life for more skill, it did have its downsides but it wasn't the worst. you could still learn in survival but obviously its hard to master and survival may be harder. On top of that, elytras and shields were added
Ngl I actually like 1.9 in singleplayer cause im glad the end has more stuff to do and the pve is good against mobs like zombies and skeletons but the pvp in multiplayer is bad but i never really cared about pvp so i dont think its that bad i think 1.10 is way worse
5:10 This is literally what I think of! People will like the newer combat, people will like the older. It can be a preference. Older combat is the thing for me, I grew up with it and it just seems more funner and I don’t even fight players. I’m not a patient person, I like to do something fast LOL
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I actually like 1.9 more, because the newer combat is more interesting to me, use an axe to break their shield, and use a sword to punish their axe wiffs
And the change to crystals on anarchy servers was awesome, I love watching FitMC just to see the crystal warfare
@HarambaeXelonmuskfans i like how you skipped the part where 1.8 is all about spamming
I’ll be honest guys I swear I really really LOVE the 1.9 update, I really liked the idea of cooling down weapons and tools and when I play Java edition It really don’t bother me at all and the I like axes more than swords but they’re both cool
given you mentioned runescape before
1.9 is pretty much identical to Evolution of Combat back in Runescape 2, 2012
its almost like changing a CORE gameplay element a large chunk of players like is guaranteed to be disasterous
The 1.9 update was horrible because I loved blocking attacks with the sword but in 1.9 the removed the feature
Honestly my biggest gripe with the new combat system ever since it was introduced, is the fact that it is not intuiitive. Nothing stops you from spam-clicking, but if you do you do zero damage. If you are a new player, you have absolutely no way of knowing that this is how the system works. I wish they would have opted with just a slight shorter cooldown, and made it so that you cannot punch at all while on the cooldown
It's worse than that, it's anti-intutive, it actively works against what your intuition AND experience (if you've played MC before) would tell you to do.
I really don’t think it’s hard to understand at all. If you click when the indicator isn’t full it makes a weak sound- I mean what other games encourage spam clicking anyway?
@@DewNotDisturb To most new players that really isn't good enough and is not a clear indicator in the slightest
PIRO PITOOOO FIGURED IT OUTTT
I'd argue 1.19.1 or whenever they implemented the reporting system is the worst update.
Chat reporting, mandatory telemetry, and the most recent EULA changes were the worst things to happen to Minecraft.
1.19.1: the spyware update
2:59 It actually made bows basically useless since shields block 100% projectile damage and can reflect arrows over a limited distance. Bows were made even more useless by making mending and infinity mutually exclusive, and then by the release of crossbows since crossbows have the piercing enchant that goes through raised shields.
Also tipped arrows are very popular and hugely used for endgame pvp. Potion effects such as weakness, slowness, poison are very valuable. Even niche potions like arrows of healing, harming, slow falling and jump boost have their place. They are very accessible through a master fletcher villager, so you don't even need to farm ender dragon that much to get tipped arrows
Minecraft really was never meant for PVP, The PVE experience is exponentially better, and that's what's most important. these minor nitpicks are also things that could easily be tweaked by server owners.
Honestly, old PVP is complete dogshit and held on a pedestal by people who play nothing else similar to it- it's braindead, boring, no mechanical nuance in the slightest, and especially after all the souls games and shit like chivalry II came out, it's just a pathetic excuse for melee combat in a game. Notch clearly never considered PVP as a possibility for the game in the beggining and it rewards intense spam clicking more than anything else, which just makes it pay to win- higher quality, more expensive mice can click faster. it doesn't take a lick of skill or intelligence. I got bored of it after the novelty of skyblock/bedwars wore off and I realized A: The actual PVP isn't fun at all, and B: I was never gonna consistently win because I don't have a 200$ mouse and don't want to practice spam clicking all day despite how completely useless that "skill" is in every other real life application and game, because no decent game developer with half a brain cell would implement anything that rewards intense fervent spam clicking- It's total cancer.
@@samgaming3354 PvE with the new combat is dogshit, it is only challenging when you're surrounded by a horde of strong mobs, but that was challenging even with old combat, so it improved nothing.
Old PvP is leagues better than the new PvP, and if you think it's just about spam clicking then you clearly don't understand old PvP in the slightest
@@smaragdchaos the old system was ass and took no skill. I used to blow thru all mobs with no sweat because you could spam. I jammed so many controllers/mouses because of the horrible combat Minecraft had back then never would go back
@@juanbonkers6090 ONG sometimes nostalgia truly blinds people. It's not to say the new system is perfect but it's much better and has infinitely more potential
@@smaragdchaos nah It really was just about spam clicking, even the best minecraft PVPers will admit that, like technoblade (RIP). Any good tactics/ mechanics from the old PVP are present in the new system and then some. New system isn't perfect but has infinitely more potential, add the mods better combat with a combat roll/ enhanced movement and it so exponentially shits on the old combat/movement it's not even funny
omgosh I forgot spiders did that damage chain - this must be why i'm so afraid of them xD
i hate when people are trying to defend the old combat, and their main talking point is "high cps isnt *that* advantageous in pvp"
because it is. the faster you click, the better you do. you talk about missing one click, and how it could be the end of your battle. there should never be a reward for just having the capability to physically outperform someone, rather than mentally. my max cps is like 5, its impossible for me to actually play competitively online without getting arthritis (cant even enjoy bedwars). cps matters like hell, especially when you're trying to play online because SO MANY PEOPLE ARE USING AUTOCLICKERS. you know what would make autoclickers less advantageous? a cooldown that makes you weaker when you dont listen to it.
theres no other game i play where one of the reasons you can lose is "oh you didnt click fast enough, but they did".
It was actually better to time your clicks and then use your parry to halve incoming damage, though the meta never developed to that point because everyone was cheating anyway. The system absolutely had to change, they just dropped the ball on it.
I agree the PvP community is to blame.
Honestly I think if the combat update released alongside the crossbow I think people would have liked it far more. The crossbow for me breathed life into the new combat system combined with stuff like firing off 4+ crossbow into someone to burst them down, harming arrows with multishot to create a shotgun of sorts or loading in fireworks to become a carpet bomber. The trident would have also been nice addition.
I just read the wiki entry on crossbows, and learned that fireworks shot from one will explode on impact. The rocket crossbow is literally a gun in Minecraft!
@@InventorZahran The best(worst) use i found from it was maximum reload speed, triple shot, and instead of going for damage, using single-powder rockets with extended particle radius and vibrant colours.
Basically an assault-flashbang. Everyone will hate you, but in a teamfight this mean that your allies will have an easier time.
May also impact fps, so this might qualify as a P2W weapon.
@@scorpixel1866 OptiFine or Sodium doesn't cost money, so it's more of a "mod-to-win" weapon.
As someone who frequently played on servers in the 1.8 days, I don't miss the old combat system at all. The worst part of the update for me was the server community refusing to move on from 1.8. I eventually lost interest in big servers and pvp entirely, and now I mostly play singleplayer or on the occasional small smp. For me 1.13 was the point I decided those servers weren't worth my time anymore.
New Combat is incredibly boring one servers, plus 1.13+ is super unstable
Maybe the pvp wasnt meant for you then 🙁
@@wetfart420 actually, in a few 1.9 gamemodes, higher ping gives you an advantage. but in the end, it still isn't great
1.9's changes for me always felt underdeveloped, like they were pushed out before good testing and QA could be done. They're... fine enough I guess. Though they needed a lot more to them to make the combat not feel like it was just a change that added a timer to your swings and an annoying sweep effect that made neutral mobs angry at you if you were trying to hit something else. I think if they had added a larger variety of weapons, and maybe even some unique armor with different effects to the existing sets, then it could have made combat way more interesting, but all it really achieved was adding some tedium to it that doesn't need to be there.
I think they wanted to stop while they were ahead with the changes and allow people to get used to the main new components of the new system: timing attacks and shields, but then decided to pull back on ever making further changes so they don't just recreate the controversy - no matter how much those changes are needed. This reflects their overall more conservative approach to Minecraft that they've been taking post buyout.
The beetroot and beetroot stew already existed in Bedrock Edition, so adding them to Java was just a parity fix. Blame the Bedrock devs for adding a useless food item!
I don’t think it was “bad”. What I think it was was it was the first update that Microsoft did and it fundamentally changed something drastically so people hoped on the “Microsoft is gonna ruin our game”. I’ve tried both and I like the newer version better
Yeah cause ur bad lol 😂
@@youtubewatching1373 wow so funny, got the whole squad laughing 😐
@@youtubewatching1373 the old combat purely was exponentially easier and required absolutely no thought, you were rather overpowered and literally any melee enemy could be curbstomped pathetically easily. You cannot use that argument in good faith.
just to clear up misinfo: the first post-buyout version was 1.8, also microsoft (xbox game studios) only works on bedrock and the spinoffs
@@TerraKnight27even though they only work on bedrock I feel like decisions are still made by Microsoft
The elytra not having the firework rocket feature, and people had to shoot themselves with bows made it feel pointless when it was added in
I gotta say I'm getting tired of the old narrative of 1.9 combat changes being so bad. Yes, the massively talented players and YTers have made amazing strides in understanding and execution of the 1.8- combat mechanics, but for 99% of players it was just spam clicking and whoever had the lower ping won. The new combat is a lot more vast but also more shallow which leaves it more accessible, and I think has been one of the major points in allowing the game to reach the massive audience it has
Exactly
As a casual player who never does PvP, I prefer the 1.9+ combat mechanics. I'm not going to say 1.8 was easier, but it was definitely less interesting. Fighting mobs in 1.9 feels much more challenging and strategic, since I have to make every sword strike count. The sweeping effect helps somewhat (and is hugely useful in XP farms), but I still feel the need to conserve my hits because of the cooldown time. Skeletons are a much more intimidating enemy with their smarter battling style, and I still genuinely fear them unless I'm well-armed and armored. Of course all of this gets much easier when you have a shield, but I usually don't acquire a shield until fairly late in the game.
I was on the fence until I learned that 1.9 introduced Beetroot. This is such a useless vegetable in the game currently. So impractical to turn into food and won't even stack.
i wish the weapons were more diverse if they were gonna do all that, maybe add a dagger and a rapier or something that trades off range and damage on different scales
Yeah, that would be nice to see: Dedicated weapons that are weaker, but much faster. Maybe give rapiers the ability to at least partially bypass shields, giving you an incentive to use them against people who hide behind them.
Could also have daggers do much more damage whilst behind someone and sneaking. Something like that, though maybe needs to be tailored to prevent people from exploiting it.
i honestly think the new combat system is good for some gamemodes and old combat is for bedwars and others,in survival i prefer new combat since its much more fun than the old combat.
I actually mostly agree with that - I think the new combat spices up survival in a lot of ways. Still annoying to fight tons of mobs without being able to spam click though, especially 4+ skeletons at once!
Tbh I prefer old combat for PvE much more, only thing I like from new PvP is the sweeping attack under sweeping edge enchantment
@@PaladinRyan yeah kind of annoying
@@wetfart420 Yeah the new combat makes 1v1 fights with mobs braindead easy. Group fights with mobs are awful with the new combat, but that's quite challenging even in the old combat
@@wetfart420 No fucking way
It's like that delusional ppl saying pre-hunger bar was easier
It's just plain stupid
As someone who enjoys PVE, I actually like the 1.9 combat. I find PVE more fun and enjoyable with 1.9 combat than 1.8 combat. I've played some pve maps such as Shock Arena, and trust me if you have to deal with like 5 skeletons at the same time even if a shield you're not out of the woods, and this is because unlike the 1.8 sword blocking, shielding doesn't block any attacks that are not coming from in front of you, so that means if you're preparing to block and arrow, a zombie for example could very well ambush from behind and hit you. I indeed had to like calculate timings of when each skeleton shoot so that I can face the skeletons at the right timing to block their arrow. Obviously this isn't gonna happen in survival, but I anyways barely even play survival, it's not my cup of tea.
I'm not a big fan of PVP (mainly cz I actually suck at it, both 1.8 and 1.9 combats), however I do agree that for PVP 1.8 combat is better. But let's be honest, I don't see why people just stay in 1.8 (ofc if they only play for PVP that makes sense but I bet not everyone only does PVP), they could, say go to a later version when they play survival and if they want PVP or smth like playing on Hypixel they log on 1.8, plain and simple. I think that this makes sense.
Not notch, but Microsoft made 1.9, This is why it was soo bad.
oh yeah for sure, this is something people were thinking heavily at the time!
@@scandalouspanda7489 At least those "conflicting and unfinished ideas" where still good, and usually had purpose.
And i think you're honestly not giving notch enough credit, because the game was genuinely more professionally deigned back then. It's *modern* minecraft that feels like a mess of conflicting and unfinished ideas... And it really is. There's no direction or reason. Things are added so randomly, not to mention how mojang spends ten times as long on worse content/ideas...
@@schnek8927 More professional?? How so??
@@schnek8927 WORSE ideas??
Bro, just Cliffs and Caves and Aquatic update alone are objectively better than years and years of Notch's updates
@@atanaZion this is so true. Honestly the only issue is mostly how Microsoft must be pleased by child friendly, and trying so hard to keep every minecraft platform equal... like the iPhone vs a ps5 vs a Java compatible pc/SteamDeck. It's difficult on the company dispite having a lot of workers, and it's difficult on hardware and so on.. honestly I think minecraft on anything weaker then a switch should be broken off and put onto its own version. A kind of minecraft light with its own studio, it will have less features but still be a Honorable recreation. Where as minecraft bedrock can be developed without the hinders of mobile. Saving resources and manpower and possibly increasing the complexity of our updates.
Personally, I LOVE the new sword-sweep attack. If people dislike it, just remember: Baby Zombies were a thing before this update. And they were LETHAL before the sweep was added!
1.9 was a fantastic update. Giving the End dimension an actual purpose other than being an arena is something everyone seems to conveniently forget about when they criticise it.
In the video, i talk about how I do like the end updates. But I wish they would've done a little more to make it more lively like they did with the nether update, and I think it was another step away from sandbox and toward adventure style play. Which is good or bad depending on the type of player you are!
People say 1.8 was the last update with good combat, but I disagree. The best combat was in 1.7, because you had access to the forbidden dark art of blocking and attacking at the same time (pressing left click and right click simultaneously). That was a little jokey, but my point still stands.
1.9 was actually good, spam clicking is stupid and armor nerf actually balanced armor, also it makes sense that axes deal more damage than swords, and the elytra saved so much time and made traveling easier
0:56 also why does it looks like that he's intentionally missing attacks
The literal only thing they can do to make this update so much better is to swap the sword and axe's damage output while retaining their swipe speed. At least axe will still be viable and swords won't be utterly pointless because of them.
I just realized the Ultimate Minecraft Guide magazine I got when me and my family visited London... was from the time before the Combat Update. The update launched in February 2016, while my magazine is from October 2015. It's honestly a reslly fascinating time capsule... it showed many of the things I still remember Minecraft for.
I haven't played that game in a _looooong_ time (college am I rite), but when I think about the game, much of the new stuff doesn't come to mind. I keep forgetting you can't spam click the swords nowadays, I keep calling the Badlands "Mesas", I still think of the classic Zombie Pigmen... heck, for some reason I still think Tundras are in the game, despite the fact they were gone by 1.8. It's... bizarre. To look back and see how much the game changed, both before the version I'm most used to, and after.
Regarding what I'd think, while the addition of shields seems pretty neat, and the Elytras and End Cities look phenomenal, I'd still take the spammy combat. While it's neat that the combat now requires a bit more thought and focus, on the other hand, it could be seen as a slight overcomplication.
2:29
Not entirely true
Hypixel is still primarily a 1.8.9 server with cross version support for the people that don't want to switch their version to 1.8.9 or simply do not know how to do that.
And there are a lot of 1.9+ pvp servers that use the new combat.
I really didn't like the Update when it came out but now (my PvP time is over a while anyway) i actually think it isent that bad and i got used to the new PvP System
Another great video! One thing you may have mentioned was the increase in processing/memory requirements needed to play 1.9. Coming from this 55 year old guy (probably 52 when 1.9 dropped )...I tried to load it up and play it. However, my old (and only) Acer laptop with 2G of memory would not allow me to play. I spawned into my first world and the lag was so intense...I couldn't move around/turn or control my character...so when night came...the monsters got me easily. Until just recently, 1.7.10 and 1.8.9 were the last two versions I played for YEARS. Thank the gods for mods! Now that I have a new gaming PC with 16G of RAM, I am playing the current version of Minecraft and finding the learning curve amusing to say the least. I really should do some videos myself... "Old Guy finally plays Minecraft 1.20..." One of my first WTF?? moments was with finding Copper. What could you make with it?? Not enough in my opinion. Also the hint/crafting stuff...meh. I looked up on the Wiki how to craft a shield. I agree, the damage a sword does now is a little sad compared to 1.8. I do like those shields when it comes to Skeletons. You're correct they are more crafty than they used to be. Oh well at least I had other YT videos to keep me somewhat updated as the versions kept going. Copper still bugs me however... I wish they added bronze weapons or something. I digress. Thanks for another great video!!
actually blocking with your sword was op because it was blocking literally all dmg including fall dmg, now you can just block mobs with your shield
They removed blocking fall damage way back in 1.0.0
@@smaragdchaos no way
Idk tf ur talking about ur on crack lmao, blocking did NOT take all damage away, it made you take a fair amount less dmg but not all of it no frikin way lmao, cause someone with a better weapon than you and your armor even, will f u up
@@youtubewatching1373 you drunk ?
I actually liked 1.9 as an old Minecraft fan
Plus 1.9 had things people can agree are good like end city’s
I’d say 1.9 is decent
Imo 1.19 was disappointing and later added chat reporting
Beta 1.8 is an update I really like despite its flaws
1.10 is bland but didn’t ruin anything
I am a bed rock player, so when I tried Java for a day... it wasn't the best. Laggy, combat things, axe which did more damage? I only kept it because... a different feeling while playing it?
1.9 is one of the better updates.
Combat rework was for the better, you don't win anymore because you have a high dpi mouse(timed attacks) with the best armor in the game(pre 1.9 armor had a minimum of 88% Damage Reduction to ~70%) and a stack of enchanted gold apples(I think the stat nerf and removal of the crafting recipe was a bit much, but was overall better). Axes got higher damage and shield breaker effect, which makes them a equal to the swords as the swords have better DPS, AoE, and last twice as long, with Shields being a good checker to bows while being a bit worse in melee combat(pre 1.11 shields only negated 33% of melee damage, though said change buffed Axes and nerf Swords).
the "improvements" of The End made it worthwhile to fight the dragon and grab the Elytra, whilst finding solid equipment to save time on enchanting powerful armor and fighting the then elusive Mending enchant.
Honestly my issues are with Hunger buffs being overwhelming as regening health was just as good as eating a 1.9 enchanted golden apple, Frost Walker being a mediocre enchant, The dragon itself being a gatekeeper then a actual boss, Beetroots, Lingering Potions being as underwhelming and needing a buff to apply a third tier effect, and Sharpness being nerfed(I think the 1 to .5 for the four tiers was dumb and should've been .75).
With that said, 1.9 is one of the better updates of the 20 major updates.
1.9's addition of both Mending and the Elytra went downhill later on, especially with 1.11.1's firework boost feature which makes the Elytra devalue every other mode of transportation in the game, and 1.14 making treasure enchantments such as Mending extremely easy to obtain with librarians, with the only actual difficulty being the BS RNG of re-rolling their trades.
I believe that the Elytra and Mending is what turned Minecraft into a farming/generator simulator. Now Minecraft is far more about improving efficiency rather than building. Because the Elytra made building not necessary
As a former devoted Minecraft PVPer, backloaded combat doesn’t feel right. Even 1.8 combat doesn’t feel the greatest. In my opinion Minecraft pvp was the best in 1.7.10 with block hitting and a lot of other fun quirks like eating and breaking blocks at the same time. While I enjoy newer updates and their survival aspects the pvp is essentially dead to the community. Backloaded combat net code is the abysmal and 1.8 sword hits don’t connect. It sucks that we won’t ever get, in my opinion, what peak minecraft pvp was ever again.
However, the reason I actually stopped playing minecraft originally as more and more Microsoft updates came out was that I really only played 1.7.10 every single day. As minecraft expanded, my gameplay didn’t which left me bored. Coming back to minecraft after all these years with new updates has been a major change in how I interact with the world but I do find it super fun. As you stated I wish we could toggle on and off the combat styles but I think the combat update allowed more people to get into the game because of its ease of access AND fun new arrow types.
Minecraft as a game has had such a massive shift from what it was once. Minecraft now seems to focus more on survival rather than large scale servers which made the game find a newfound popularity in friend groups playing on their own private servers rather than joining mineplex or hypixel for a night of mini games. Maybe it’s the gen z nostalgia now that we have money for our own servers but the game’s shift to this more nuanced and “quieter” aspect I think was its savior. Minecraft has always been about exploring the world either on your own or with friends which allows you to craft the story from your own narrative. I miss the old days of a Saturday playing mini games like hunger games or dragon escape but the simplicity of hopping onto my group’s server to mine a bit and just talk about life is much more suited to who I am as a person now.
i still think to this day that old pvp was basically brain dead spamming... no seriuosly i hated that and still hate that system it just doesn't have any subtance to it. by the other hand new combat has more to offer axes are stronger than swords but they are a lot slower tridents are more powerfull too but still slow aaaand has more uses also axes now plays a major role into combating players since they can dissable shields also typed arrows are one the best additions too being able to deal both fire AND poison damage while hitting hard with power 5 to a full protection 4 netherite player is a dream also weakness arrows are way worthier than splash potions in order to cure villagers for 3 potions you get 24 or 64 on bedrock/legacy and 3DS by using a cauldron, just shooting them with little to no charge makes the trick
As someone who has played Minecraft forever, I agree that 1.9 was a bad update, but I personally believe that 1.13 was the worst update because it was the first update I couldn’t run smoothly on my PC. It was the first update where Optifine was required to play Minecraft and on top of that almost every server at the time couldn’t update to it
Soooo....
I suppose the huge overhaul to oceans isn't worth talking about...
1.13 is cited as one of the best alltime updates
@@parallax256they are pretty much just mad because their pc couldn’t run Minecraft lmao
@@sidthebrownkidd8742 hmm... yeah...
although it's really not that difficult to install performance mods
sodium, iris, and phosphor will literally multiply your fps
what is this guy complaining about
was he too lazy to install forge
@@parallax256 if your game needs mods to run smoothly, it is not a good precedent.
@@johnes4882 so what? it's still super easy to solve the performance problem. it really doesn't matter how 1.13 affects your performance if you play on PC
I remember the lead up to this update dropping and all the doomsday stuff and being so angry they were changing our good ol spamclick sowrds, but after having experiences both I really do like the current combat system. Definitely needs some balancing though---shields are way too OP and without that sense of constant danger caused by the mobs it can be hard to remain invested bc it all feels too easy. It kills a certain type of creativity I think.
I'm not a small Kit PVP kid, so I actually didn't even mind the update tbh.
The thing is that even in the old combat system there was a cooldown, but the player was unable to interrupt it, not like today where every klick resets the cooldown. The old System was something for every casual (just spam clicking everything was simple and fun) and something for advanced players (the combos to gain more knockback and stuff). Microsoft just thought of "Never change a running system" and ignored it. And I'm not even talking about the inconsistency that some tools gain more attack dmg when upgrading from wood > stone > iron and some just didn't and sometimes the cooldown was shorten with better gear, and sometimes it didn't. Some people did a little math and came to the conclusion, that the either the wooden shovel, or stone shovel (I don't quite remember) where the most effective tool. All that upsets people (me included) and I'm happy that since 1.16 there is at least a command to make the cooldown 0 again.
Spicy opinion: I didn't do pvp or anything, but to be honest, the game's combat prior to this update was hot steaming garbage, I don't miss it now and didn't miss it when they made the change.
TLDR; theres so much negativity surrounding 1.9 pvp people dont truly understand the mechanics that exist in it, and that it still has just as much depth, if not more, than 1.8 pvp, but yea PVE got easier
As someone whos played since the day mc released on xbox 360, and has played consistently since then, im just gonna say I think 1.9+ combat is simply more fun and complex. 1.8- combat, despite what you said, is still super simple spam click real fast. yea theres certain mechanics like juggling, strafing, and W tapping, but those mechanics still exist today. juggling and W tapping still very much exist in 1.9+, its just harder and looks a bit different. Swords are still able to put out way more dps than axes, but because of shields, axes are required. But sword still does way more dps than the axe. I do think that PVE has became way easier tho because of shields. Cant argue that. I just think that since theres so much negativity surrounding 1.9 pvp people dont truly understand the mechanics that exist in it, and that it still has just as much depth, if not more, than 1.8 pvp
Ah yes, the stone axe update.
I still don't understand how iron and diamond axes deal the same amount of damage as a fucking *stone* axe
F Techno
@@leomassafm160 because the iron and diamond axes have significantly faster attack speeds, not only can you tell if just by using them if you aren't purposefully ignoring it, you can turn on tooltips to see lol. You can also check the wiki and see they have quicker recovery times as the tiers go up. It makes a lot of logical sense and is an interesting way to make the weapon progression for axes different, but it seemed to have confused the 1.8 pvpers who can't understand a combat system with literally any mechanical nuance/complexity, which pretty much sums up the real reason they don't like the new combat.
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Bedrock: 1 shot creeper, zombie, skeleton, spider, slime, wither skeleton, blaze, and more with no cooldown.
Also Bedrock: wither has 50 more hearts than a warden
i feel like people are just mad that they have to think now instead of autoclicking
To be honest I think straying away from having to click fast for long periods of time was a good change since it made it more accessible for people who can't click fast for one reason or another. That being said, fuck shields, they're inconsistent and make early game pvp a slog to play.
It was bad because I dont like change
Carl, the Decider
@@PaladinRyan That's what I'm here for, to be grumpy old man with you :P
only giga chads play without shields
I find the whole 1.8 combat thing being kinda rediculous. You say it requires skill, but it does also matter just how fast you click and you try and go for the most opportunities to do damage which means getting really close and going around in circles. While with 1.9 combat you can't just go in spamming and you have to think a little, if you plan on doing crits you're more vulnerable to being hit because you're in the air and air strafing isn't amazing (I mean, it's better than IRL but worse than being on the ground). I think removing shields would benefit PvP because shields remove the need for armour if you're careful enough.
Then again I'm someone who in FPS games plays sniper (I have 1 video of my abilities) and I like a single accurate powerful shot over many less accurate weaker shots and so I treat those who go on about how much they love 1.8 combat with the same contempt as those who use machine guns and SMGs and fire for more than a few shots at a time as they're basically identical. So I don't doubt that people who love 1.8 combat also usually go for machine guns and SMGs and avoid sniper rifles
I do think that 1.9 does have a higher skill ceiling but it's also a different skillset to 1.8. With 1.8 there's a lot more going in circles and tracking players, while 1.9 is a lot more face on and going forwards and backwards. 1.9 removes needing to track much but it also adds in your ability to go backwards without getting stuck on anything, needing to take into account times and if you missed then you're a little fucked for a second, it does mean that less experienced players can get luckier and win fights but I think rather than that reducing the skill ceiling I think it instead lowers the skill floor. If you're a new player and you understand you have to recharge between hits you can take part and not do terribly.
It's a huge shame that PvP combat only ever caters to 1.8, I'm not aware of joining any server with PvP that doesn't have 1.8 compatability. So it could also be that those who love 1.8 combat have to because that's all they can use
I think 1.9 didn't go far enough in btfoing the pvp "community".
Unironically good take.
I remember not liking the new combat when it first came out but i got used to it and then I remember really liking the new End stuff
What is the song for the outro on this video, please? And where can I find it?
Really to be honest in a phycological sense, We as humans need change to move forward, the combat update was in this case, i didn't mind it too much but others, not so much.
I've come to accept the new combat mechanics, (Except the gattling gun skeletons as you get really close) I've come to a point to appreciate how far Minecraft has come, good or bad, and with that i can reminisce the "Good old alpha days" and the modern counterparts also.
I like the combat but I know you will disagree is just my personal opinion you don't have to agree. But they should still have that combat system if you can change the settings if people still like it.
yes! just a simple button. seriously!
My issue here is that all of the comments (and the video, to a lesser extent) are forgetting that Minecraft updates are never made with PvP exclusively in mind. It really frustrates me to see that 1.9 added so much content into the game - the new End, the Elytra, new enchantments, etc. - and people only dislike it because “ErMaHgErD pVp Is GaRbAgE nOw WoRsT uPdAtE eVeR”. Like, yeah, PvP is a big part of the game, but that doesn’t mean it should be the main focus. The goal of this update was to make a different combat system for singleplayer, and I think Mojang/Microsoft succeeded.
I think the main problem with the new combat system was how it's kinda made for a different game. Minecraft is supposed to be a very simplistic game with simple mechanics. They then decided to add some sort of RPG-like/action adventure-like combat system, and that sorta showed us the changing direction Mojang and Microsoft were taking the game.
They made the creepers a lot more powerful though. And I'm not talking about the charged ones.
I think the 1.9 combat update was needed, minecraft combat was really dumb and it didn't had room for various fighting styles, i get the argument that the cooldown make the game slower but it was needed to make fighting more tactical and fun to play
😂 you have no idea what you’re talking about I bet you played since 1.8 and that’s it, barely even played the game as long I betttt
@@youtubewatching1373 bro it’s not personal, it’s just that i know both pre 1.9 and post 1.9 and i think fighting in newer version just make more sense and has more depth
@@youtubewatching1373 Almost like 1.8 combat was not the exact same as all the eight previous versions
Yeah,only noobs disliked it
lmao that attempt at critting mobs with the axe was funny to watch
I don't know about you all, but I don't play the game to fight monsters, I play the game to gather resources and to build, especially on mulitplayer. Pre 1.9 made it easy to ward off the occasional zombie or skeleton being a nuisance, just a quick annoyance then back to work. With the cooldown added, all it amounts to is a lot of waiting and not doing what you actually want to be doing. It was bad enough with the Zombie AI changes from 1.6, making it so that one can see you from 300 miles away and spawn more around you, but at least it wouldn't take long to kill them all. Not the case now. But the swing speed and cool down is far from the only issue, even though it's the one most commonly talked about. They also nerfed enchantments in this update. I replayed some older versions lately and was shocked how good even Sharpness III was compared to modern Sharpness V. That makes it even more of a pain to kill even individual mobs. Then there's the armor changes, making it a lot easier to die to surprise attacks, particularly Creepers (especially when I swear Creepers are bugged and don't always hiss before exploding in later versions, which makes you go from alive to dead immediately with no chance to stop it, but I digress). But I think the worst change might be the sweeping effect on swords. It gives very little practical benefit to attacking groups of mobs, but comes with many risks. Biggest one is probably accidentally agro-ing neutral mobs that just happened to be hanging around the hostile mob you were trying to kill. I cannot tell you the number of times I've accidentally agroed a Pigman when I'm just trying to kill a Blaze or Wither Skeleton or something. There's also the issue of farming passive mobs, say you have a pen of cows that's getting full, so you breed them one more time then start killing some of the adults. Well, have fun also putting a few swings into and possibly killing the babies as well! There's a ton of examples like this; hitting a villager when you're trying to ward off a hostile mob near it which then agros an iron golem, hitting a pet wolf when you're trying to fight mobs around it, hitting other players in a cave when you're both surrounded by mobs, etc etc etc. All this combined makes for an absolutely terrible experience that gets in the way of the parts of the game I enjoy. Give me the old combat system any day.
1.9 - 1.12 was the wierdest minecraft era
change is the only constant in life
Mojang asking how name upd: The end update 🚫
The combat update ✅️
not a button in the options. a gamerule per world seems better.
It really wasn't, a lot of minecrafts incredibly casual playerbase just can't handle a combat system that isn't braindead, thoughtless and easy
bedrock has the spam click still, but i think its because the mobs on bedrock are a little buggy
All of the 2 PvP-Systems are cool. And when you wanted to play with shields and other new Items without Hit Cooldown, then play Minecraft Bedrock Edition. When you'll play with old Items without Hit Cooldown, then play Minecraft Java 1.8
i literally used to call this the end update when i was younger 💀
The pvp change is unacceptable and needs to brought back. I won’t change my mind.
Although I started playing minecraft in 2015 and the year I played the most was 2021, I prefer the pre 1.9 combat system. A few days ago I started a world in minecraft 1.8 and I really like it, it's very simple compared to modern minecraft.
Actually I like the modern combat.
I can feel why people in 2016 hated it but IDC for I was not in the MC community back than!
Still waiting for weapon reach to get in
I'm just playing modpacks and don't care what Mojang is adding in new updates. Mods can offer much more. Everything Mojang have added existed for years and had much more depth.
I wholeheartedly agree! what are your modpack faves right now?
@@PaladinRyan GT:NH
"People hate change".
Most of the time, it's not that black and white.
For what it counts, the issue is it barely did anything.
Same thought from 1.9 to 1.13
The biggest problem I see with the new "not spam click to attack" thing is, that new players often just spam clicks. Like, girls, and not so great "gamers" usually just spam the mouse.
yeesh. coulda avoided the weird sexist and asshole angle and just said “not so great gamers” without putting gamers in quotes too. you can enjoy games n suck at em.
as someone who sucks at gaming cuz hand eye coord sucks, i prefer the new combat. i don’t understand your pov.
@@AlexisTwoLastNames I'm sorry if I offended you! Wasn't meant to :(
@@AlexisTwoLastNames you got offended like a girl.
And like a gamer.
As my old neighbor used to say, meme them until they cry.
Then make memes about them crying.
@@Leonard_Wolf_2056 at least i can be both a girl and a gamer in your comment. in the op’s comment, they were separate
@@ditz3nfitness it’s ok :)
1.9 is the reason I transitioned to bedrock when it came out
Im just tired of hearing bad things about 1.9, i play this game since 1.7 and combat for me was always boring and too repetitive and 1.9 changed that, ita not perfect, but its not bad either
Btw the skill celling on old combat is just awareness stuff and not really part of the combat and btw this is still part of the new combat as swords can still combo
People say that the last update for Notch is 1.8, but this is a lie. In fact, Notch was running on two updates in 2014. The first update was 1.8, the second update was 1.9. The 1.9 update was scheduled to be released in 2015, but Notch sold the game to Microsoft, and Microsoft postponed the 1.9 update to 2016. In short, the latest update to Notch is 1.9
Im gonna call it the beetroot update from now on
you're so sweet fr man
your outros make me smile everytime, it may seem goofy but energetic transmutation is a thing
most ppl make others subscribe by telling em to, im subscribing purely out of good will
thank u, n i love u too, goodluck out there and stay safe man
cheers
aww I'm so glad someone appreciates it. even if i can make one person's day, that is the goal!
@@PaladinRyan one person? only? nah dawg you gotta b playing fr, check your sub count
New combat just adds strategy. You deal more damage if the weapon is fully retracted.
I quite like 1.9 as it's a nice alternative compared to the latest version being so bloated. It's a good transition version despite bugs and silly design. Doesn't have the newer textures, doesn't have (too) much bloat compared to 1.8.9. I'm currently enjoying a survival world on here, I feel like to enjoy 1.9, you kind of have to step back and understand that it won't ever go back to the old system. It's very similar to 1.8 so it's a good balancing point.
Was this the start of the BRONZE age? Bronze craft?
PVP,
PVE,
PVZ
Osm
for me it makes the game super hard, especialy for killing skeletons, i wish they just make it a bit faster
I’ll be honest guys I swear I really really LOVE the 1.9 update, I really liked the idea of cooling down weapons and tools and when I play Java edition It really don’t bother me at all and the I like axes more than swords but they’re both good
the pvp is bad. but while 1.8's pvp is better thane 1.9'. mods that expend that later one are amazing. prob better than 1.8.
And lets not forget that for pve its actualy better. and that was their main focus. wich at least in my opinion, they succeded in.
Lets not forget survival is suposed to be creative with steps. it was hard back then because there wasnt enouth in the game that you would make a survival to build with more steps. you wanted to survive and grow. and at some point you were too deep in your world to not start building. but as years passed more people just wanted a creatie mod but you gotta put the work. so it became easier to survive.
I would honestly rather have a proper survival mode in addition to he chill one. rather than getting the old pve.
Anyways cant wait for jeb's pvp experimental to be added. it has been so long and yet it seems he is still woring on that.
I personally don't think the update is that bad. They changed something that probably needed it. Was it for the better? Sort of they could've added more depth but they didn't. The combat is fine but the update jeb made looks even better. I dont really hate either combat styles both are good in their own ways
unpopular opinion: 1.9 was good for pvp imo you can still use swords for certain mechanics and it gave life for more skill, it did have its downsides but it wasn't the worst. you could still learn in survival but obviously its hard to master and survival may be harder. On top of that, elytras and shields were added
I actually liked the update, it’s just that Microsoft made Minecraft feel…less Minecrafty
6:42 Sounds like 1.20 to me
I actaully like new combat system. It lets me think about when and where to hit hostile mobs)))
1.20 and the bees are the worst updates theyre so pointless and just full of clutter
Ngl I actually like 1.9 in singleplayer cause im glad the end has more stuff to do and the pve is good against mobs like zombies and skeletons but the pvp in multiplayer is bad but i never really cared about pvp so i dont think its that bad i think 1.10 is way worse
1.8 combat is basically bedrock combat
POV: Bedrock
please dont call me beautful
bring back alpha combat
It was one of the best updates. The truth is old combat was very bad
5:10 This is literally what I think of! People will like the newer combat, people will like the older. It can be a preference.
Older combat is the thing for me, I grew up with it and it just seems more funner and I don’t even fight players. I’m not a patient person, I like to do something fast LOL
bro really thinks spam clicking a sword is complex and strategical
Everyone on bedrock: 😐