He most likely just listened to his friend tell him it was after midnight and didn’t look for himself. The flames happen at the top because you can’t see the flames until they reach the top. Your experience of no fire was likely due to the VOCs evaporating before combustion temperatures were reached. Perhaps the contained you used acted as a heat sink and also prevented it from reaching the combustion point of your rag. This video also smacks a bit of flat earther type reasoning. A couple of half truths and ignoring the full picture. It’s kind of like a ‘forest for the trees’ type thing. In this case the reasoning seems to be that a tree is dead so therefore the entire forest must be dead.
I don’t think anyone, including you, tells the truth anymore. So I do my own research and come up with my own answers. Sometimes I’m wrong but usually I’m not. I still thoroughly enjoying watching all of the AvE videos. That wood-elf’s videos are meant for entertainment and not information if I want information and knowledge, I will look elsewhere.
@@rdizzy1 nah they smoke even more when they finally DO catch fire though, which indicates that there was no linseed oil in any of those cans that caught fire. Even if it was hot enough to burn perfectly with no smoke, the shop would still be FILLED TO THE BRIM with thick white acrid smoke. He would have had to let it air out for an hour to get the visible particles settle out of the air.
What's that other word that translates to: "Mass destruction by fire / Burned religious sacrifice" Oh, yeah. "Lightning", the other business venture of god.
I'm not only a former firefighter but I have a big woodshop/shop... its not a myth but it doesn't just POOF catch on fire like that. Its more of a smolder and burn thing then an eruption of flames. Its all about how SMALL the container is and how much heat the vessel can hold and build up.
In college, roommate had a bag of floor stain soaked rags spontaneously combust. At midnight. Smoke detector went off because that b*tch was rollin coal in the front room. Roommate panics and tries to grab said burning bag and throw it outside, hilarities ensue because the bag disintegrates in his hands and now we have many small fires all around the front room.😂😂 And that was the night the local fire department explained to my roommate about spontaneous combustion 😊
I wrote a paper in college about hemp production in Kentucky. The hemp seeds would often be stored in a bin. And spontaneous combustion was not uncommon. So they constructed the bins in way to stop the build up of internal heat. My history professor was surprised when the paper I turned in was a serious explanation of hemp farming, rope production, and no jokes about the alternative use of the leaf. I had one footnote that explained that the strain of hemp they grew was bred for it's fiber qualities and had almost none of the intoxicant properties.
@@davidramey7186 as others have indicated, heaped organics and decomposition processes. Specifically, the growth of bacteria and mold which excrete flammable alcohols like ethanol and methanol, and amino acids that may polymerize like linseed oil under certain circumstances.
If he had 2 cameras recording the "'whole" time. The easiest thing to do is to upload the full video unedited. Also would have been nice if he had a clock going in both of the shots.
Also, "having the cameras running the whole time" on time lapse means that you could easily pause the time lapse even for a few minutes and restart it, and you would never be able to notice the difference. Agreed on uploading the whole thing: an actual good use of UA-cam's 10 hour limit. Just put in chapter markers and/or note the timestamps in the description.
@@erikdietrich2678 It would probably be very hard to tell, but if something all of a sudden moved, you would be able to see it. Also there is probably an algorithm out there that could detect movement in a video. Lastly the Slow Mo Guys 2 has a video that's 19 hours long, unless they just put that limit in place.
cap'n tight pants and the mysteriously handy undersized winter jacket.... show at 11 mystery miniseries of the hipster beard and skinny jeans conspiracy Sherlock AvE and the mystery of the smokeless smolder and convenient mic coincidence ...yknow...im getting tired of convenient conspiracy coincidences...let alone noticing them.. all the time
@@TheNapalmFTW true but in that video he did use old and already largely reacted linseed oil. i dont necessarily believe it can start a fire but i never understood why AvE didnt use a fresh can of oil.
I'm here with another "I had oily rags catch fire and it looked like a Tatra with busted seals going uphill" story. It was so much oily smoke the workshop still smells of linseed oil years later.
You know, my first job was working in the laundry department of a medical facility. Every night, the night shift would have to wash and then air dry the dietary grease rags. There was two fires that broke out. Both times, the night shift guy said that he washed and air dried the rags and that it was spontaneous combustion. Well one night I come in and check to see exactly what this dude was doing and sure enough, he had thrown the rags in the dryer and taped the switches down so it would run for hours on end. He did this because he would sleep in his car. Well I then saw him take the greasy, and now hundreds of degrees hot rags in a metal bin and leave it. Needless to say the guy was fired after that. Mind you this was a 50 year old grown man without common sense, and I was an 18 year old highschool drop out who knew better than this dude.
Restaurant owner checking in here. I've had two laundry fires, both caused by the dryer not going through the cool down cycle, due to a sketchy door latch. A pile of hot towels, with even a little residual oil, left in a hot pile, will ignite within an hour.
Spontaneous rag combustion is one of those things where you need the holes in the swiss cheese to align- the correct conditions with an exothermic reaction able to accelerate enough under it's own heat, the insulation to retain that heat, initial raised temperature to get that reaction going fast enough to self-heat and material capable of autoignition under those quite specific conditions. Those trash bags and likely the trash cans would've long shown symptoms indicative of being heated with portions becoming more plastic with increasing temperature leading to deforming, collapsing under their own weight, bonding to nearby material and forming holes under the kind of heat escaping that kind of runaway reaction. I've enough scars from droplets of burning polyethylene to know what it looks like when heated and ignited. The polyethylene trash bag especially has a lot of surface area relative to it's volume which would've lead to it being more prone to autoigniting before the fabric can.
Any rag touching the plastic bag or close to it likely doesn't have enough access to oxygen to heat up. These rags would act as an insulating layer. Meanwhile the plastic would be cooled by the outside air. I don't think it could melt prior to a fire except under very rare conditions.
@@zacharytuttle5618 I agree with you, but I'm referring to financially-driven practices that compromise the quality and/or performance of a design such as substituting sub-par or even dangerous designs/methods to save a buck.
This is a great topic and I would very much like to invite you to discuss this with Jason on my podcast. Please contact me to set up a time. Thank you!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I'm simply offering an opportunity for both of you to discuss it. I have no bias. Bourbon Moth has agreed to this and is willing to discuss your contentions openly with me as a mediator. I am just waiting for you. My apologies for having to contact you in this manner, but you have no other contact info and no social media presence that I can find. Again, please contact me via any of my platforms. Thank you! 👍
I would really like to see this. I feel The bearded froth has some explaining to do. The reality is not many opinions or beliefs will change either way. (Do it though, doitdoitdoitdoit.
It seems the fella tucked his tail and ran after this video. He turned off the comments and lied about your video. Any man with a clear conscience would have the balls to address the points raised in the criticism. Not Bourbon moth. No siree. Doubled down with more lies.
When I was a kid in the first year of high school (11 in the UK), our science teach spent half an hour explaining how thermometers work, he then had us all make one using a PE bottle with a straw and water. We had to then place our creations in hot water and record our results. Nearly everybody (including me I'm ashamed to say), wrote that the water raised up the straw when in reality it fell. He then explained that it was a ruse, because we hadn't considered that the PE bottle would expand more than the water. A brilliant lesson from a great teacher about the importance of recording facts and something I've never forgotten.
Sounds like a great teacher 👍. I've seen multiple scientists & engineers create the results they were testing for because the opposite result wouldn't help their cause. We humans are crazy animals sometimes haha
My high school chemistry teacher was a retired petroleum engineer and she was all about accurate reporting. The equipment we had for the lab segments was crap, often contaminated, like pipettes with mold inside. As a result, many of the experiments just didn't work like they should have. The teacher didn't care about the actual results, she just wanted to see how we documented the failures, including listing possible reasons why things went wrong. In college, my Chem I TA was the exact opposite. She docked us points for not getting the "right" results even if it was because of defective gear, and docked more points for "unnecessary commentary" in our lab reports documenting such problems.
Its not the linseed oil self igniting , that has a flash point of 600°F/315°C , its the rag material with lower ignition point , papers and cotton round 400-450°F/200-230°C
@@pete_lind I'll light a candle to that little factoid! ...please correct me on how I don't drive my car to the store, but rather the ECM controls the combustion parameters, that drive the potential/kinetic energy conversion, something, something... I never had my car.
@@jxvz4895 no, he's saying the oil isn't what's self igniting. The combustion of the oil is being bootstrapped by material with a lower combustion point
@@pete_lind the oil would burn immediately with the rag and create a lot of smoke. Linseed oil and its characteristic stinky dirty smoke is described often in older texts.
There's different types of linseed oil too. I know of a rather large insurance claim at a public hall due to oily rags smoking. Notice I said smoke. Lots of smoke. No fire.
This video was about as convincing as the “flat earth proof” videos. The most convincing point was that he didn’t choose the camera angle you would have. Although… I guess you could have said that from either camera angle.
Except anyone with half a braincell knows that there's no oil on planet earth that burns in an open flame that DOESN'T produce SMOKE! NOT ONE! Unless there's some sort of oxidizing substance added, there's always moderate to heavy smoke involving oils. Furthermore, from a statistical point of view, spontaneous combustion is RARE! It requires very strict circumstances to happen. Being able to produce 3 spontaneous combustions in session is almost statistically IMPOSSIBLE! So we either witnessed a scientific anomaly, or a sham.
@@littlebugwoodworking yeah, but if he already spent so much time on the video and offending another person - even if his bucket starts smoking - he will never admit it. )))
I’ve personally had solvent soaked rags spontaneously catch fire, while at work no less. It happened after I turned my back to grind welds to the customer’s specs. I was busy grinding and being mesmerized by the glowing sparks shooting up through the air, as one does, to see exactly how or when the rags mysteriously lit themselves on fire...
Some people just don't get it do they? I always forget how the saying goes, but isnt it, "You can lead a whore to water, but you can't make her......?" I can never remember that 2nd part though?
Dude I had the same thing happen! I put a 5 gallon bucket of oily rags under my plasma cutting table and was just going about me day. The SECOND I was concentrating on making a plasma cut the rags spontaneously combusted! It's always when you take your eye off them
The other 2 bags were poofed up, but if the fire wasn't visible it wouldn't be a good angle for the camera, so the bag that ignited was flattened for the shot.
The two times i've witnessed oil rags spontaneously combust, they started by smouldering. You'll smell it before you see smoke, and you'll see smoke before you see flames. ... Unless your fire is starting in a dumpster in the hot sun, then you might see flames first. I didn't witness that one but the charred stairs at work are still there.
Yeah we smelled it an was looking for like 10 min where the smell was from an found it smoking just outside the door in the leantoo area, nasty smell smoldering like when using embers to start a fire in the woodstove no flame but hot as hell when we found it moved watered an then poured it out to keep from rebuilding heat to be safe so we could go back to work
@@BillJBrasky sounds like damage control to me: the one thing he can say that isn't instantly verifiably false. Where's the smoke? Even on low quality cameras, we should see quite a bit. Also, the way heat moves is pretty universal: the fires shouldn't be starting on top. Also, the containers being unaffected shows some remarkable polymer characteristics: those bags and bins must have cost hundreds of dollars each! As I asked another commenter, what's more likely: did a guy try to make a video showing a known danger not get the result showing the danger, so he faked it, or did physics just break down in his corner of the world for an afternoon? In my experience, the laws of nature are a lot more reliable than humans...
About 35 years ago, I was building some wood bases for some architectural models. I coated these with Watco Danish Oil and threw the oily soaked tee shirts in my kitchen trashcan about 5 o'clock that evening. The dinner trash went on top of the rags and about 2 AM I woke up with the smoke detectors in my house going off. Spontaneous combustion does happen.
Worked for Jeep in Old Paint / paint repair as a painter. We had pre-treated wipes that included chemicals like 99% alcohol, Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide, AKA: MEKP or DBJ, AKA: Deformed Baby Juice and a couple others. To give an idea how bad MEK was/is, out of 8 painters and 4 utilities that either worked in the booth or covered them, I am literally the last one alive. That said one of the biggest issue was spontaneous combustion. Although we had special grounded containers to prevent this from static, they would also combust from just the heat. Include that with painters who were from the main paint line filling in for overtime and who never dealt with this issue. They would toss wipes in any trash container including trash containers right next to 55 gallon drums of the same chemicals. Good times. We got the high risk of cancer as well as the possibility of fireworks going off in our faces. I saw it happen more times then I care to remember.
@Lesardah MEK is just the precursor bud. As bad as MEK is, people saw it, realized that, and said, 'I bet it'd be cool if we added a bunch of extra oxygen to the mix'. Exposing yourself to MEKP(peroxide, one oxygen per hydrogen = unstable/super reactive) is like spraying shitty grafitti over your DNA with cancer paint.
BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT SHOP SAFETY. BE SURE TO READ, UNDERSTAND, AND FOLLOW ALL SAFETY RULES AND REMEMBER, THERE'S NO MORE IMPORTANT RULE THAN TO WEAR THESE, SAFETY GLASSES.
I keep mine in a dry wooden box next to my 55 gal drum stove, never had a problem. We did have a corn silo combust from the pressure and heat of the summer that was cool and scary. One time in the Afghanistan we had the humvee we were in spontaneously combust from a road side bomb.
You Sir owe me a new monitor and a pint of Ale. Who knew Ale could be fired out of the nose with such violence that it can ricochet out of the glass onto a monitor three foot away.
Some paint strippers I've seen have had strong acids it them. Seems so have the notion of softening the wood to force the paint to let go....But they absolutely will react with some organics (including sawdust itself in the right circumstance) to produce heat ... quite easily enough at times to cause combustion. Look at some "elephant's tooth" reactions and you will see smoke quite often in such videos. Don't know that the acids in (some) paint strippers are quite as strong as near pure sufuric, but even quite weak acids can react to produce considerable heat in the right circumstance.
I watch this guy's woodworking videos from time to time.... has an interesting sense of humor. I actually saw this video and it didn't occur to me it might be faked... You raise some interesting questions AVE, you really do!
@@colinhudson3723 Anyone who goes YT full time is going to do some cringey stufffor clicks/views/revenue. I have a hard time taking full time YT personalities seriously. Then again it could just be my latent "trust issues" honed over my personal life, and after retiring from the military, cropping up but I'm always asking myself, "What's their angle?"
Disappointing, his woodworking content is good, he gets plenty of views…maybe all the crafty DIY Swiss Family Suburbs stuff has been sliding since it’s pandemic height.
I just started watching this guy, he’s pretty entertaining and does nice work. I turned this video off after the first fire, way to convenient, then 2 more fires. No way.
Anyone who actually follows Jason and has for years, knows that he did not fake anything. I am a no-one in this scene, I don't usually comment, but I follow a lot of woodworkers/makers online and there really is not anyone more genuine (Maybe Diresta...) than Jason, and it is disheartening to see how fast people can jump to conclusions. Listen to his podcast, or watch his whole library and tell me this is a guy who would go through all of that effort to get more views...not buying that at all. I LOVE(D) AvE content, but this seems like one hell of a reach without much info, even for him...Maybe we should all get to know/understand people before we claim they are a sham...
Which is why AvE I personally never watch these fantasy you tube videos, oh look we caught on camera a huge monster climbing a block of flats, and yet when there is an accident nobody sees it happen maybe because they never have their camera on, oh look there goes Big Foot.
I worked in a business forms print factory back in the dark ages and there was a shriveled old ex-alcoholic that worked as general broom boy. The paper offcuts from the machinery was whisked away by a series of vacuum hoses to a side room with a bolted down hay baler where it was compressed into bales. Part of his rota of jobs was to check on this room, stack the bales, etc. He was a chain smoker, there was a doggy-do roll-your-own permanently stuck to his bottom lip. One Saturday morning, a meeting of the almighty white shirts was interrupted by a knock on the door. Then another knock when no response from the deities was forthcoming. Finally one of bosses yelled out to come in. Ol' pecker entered, apologized for interrupting, and only then told the Supreme beings that the factory was afire. Keep an eye out for paper dust. That stuff can be seriously bad for your wealth.
At around 29:30 in his video, when two of the piles magically reignite, there is an awful lot of blue flames near the base of the fires. Looks and burns very similar to the way lighter fluid does when burning from a flat surface like concrete or other semi porous object.
If i went to the trouble and spent the money on all those brand new garbage cans, you bet I would too. Gotta make that youtube money. Cant do that with a no-show.
I watched this last week. As a firefighter, I knew that something was fishy when he carried those out with his hands in the bag/can. He would have needed a scoop shovel to get that out. That bag and can would have been a molten pile of goo. And undoubtedly sent him to the sink, rinsing his 2nd and possibly 3rd degree burns.
You’re absolutely right. It may be spontaneous combustion but there is lots of heat right before the actual combustion. just like how a wet hay bale will catch on fire 👍
Ooh fuck. Now we have to worry about wet hay bales?!! I'm calling the gun control advocacy group, these spontaneous fires have to be stopped. We need spontaneous combustion free zones and permits for those who absolutely must do it.
Yup, same as how a compost pile gets steaming hot inside even on a cooler day. Now imagine a compost pile made of flammable organic solvents on cotton rags in a trashcan inside a 90f work shop. The organic solvents break down, create heat similar to a compost pile. Only difference is the compost pile isn't highly flammable like the rag pile.
The moment these ovary-acting "influencers" let out that super-fake "whaaaaaaat?!?" whine, the video gets stopped. And my mood at the time will dictate what combination of "Close" "Dislike" and "Don't Recommend Channel" buttons get hit...
I worked at a Bio Diesel plant that used soy bean oil as the feed. We had the Bio Fuel eat the seals out of the distillation tower discharge line and the day crew spread clay oil dry on the spill. The day crew placed the Bio Fuel/ oil dry into 55 gallon drums and left them open topped. 7 hours later I walked by and the drums were about 240 deg F. ( they were under the main pipe rack with feed oil, glycerol and methanol pipes.) The day temp was 90 deg f and the temp on my night shift was 60 deg f.
Which is proof that bio-fuels basically eat anything made of older synthetics, like seals and gaskets. It reminds me when they switched everything to unleaded. Many mods had to be made to the ~5 year old engines just so they wouldn't eat themselves. I gotta tell you, having worked in factories that had titanium dust in the atmosphere, MEK, Trichlor 1-1-1 and LOTs of acids, your walkby must have scared the ever loving beJesus out of you. That's some scary stuff.
@@jadesluv IDK, an employer who leaves meth pipes laying around must be pretty chill, but they shouldnt be feeding anyone soy oil let alone eating seals, that isnt a balanced diet
I am a backyard biodiesel maker and have have not less than three soaked rags catch fire, only when left in the sun outside, inside the shed in the shade seems to be fine, I won't leave them in the shed just in case. I generally burn them myself to know they are gone for good
Why does this remind me a a nightline expose on chevy trucks? No time lapse either - not like you need special equipment to make a time lapse of BOTH of your cameras you had over 6 hours of footage from.
Had not thought about the smoke when watching the video. When I ran into this issue it was with deck stain and a microfiber towel. I was not aware this could be an issue, I found it from a strange smell and when I opened the garbage can there was a ton of smoke, no fire but the bag was melting as I got it outside.
The cynicism was hard to pick up. I will say that like most Americans nowadays we will give this guy a pass and name a school after him or maybe a new crypto coin.
Yeah bro SpontaneousCombustionCoin (SCC) is the next big thing... you put in $10k and BOOM.. overnight it bursts into flames and disappears. All in 4k too! Dont miss out!!
I saw that video when he put that out. I won’t accuse him of fabricating the results but I absolutely have had a linseed soaked rag start smoldering after I used it. And it wasn’t left very long either. Got my attention when I went to grab it and it was super hot and already had scorched holes eaten into it. Learned a lesson for sure.
The heat is likely concentrated inside the rag pile, only a small portion needs to get hot enough to smoulder. This may still be a setup, but the entire can does not need to get to 400*
I don't even need to pay attention to the lack of smoke, wardrobe, mic, and time fuckery. The plastic would have started to sag and melt before flames would even appear if this was all real and kosher.
I’ve experienced this, granted I didn’t see the flame because I left work but it was over my high school shop teachers house one summer, he hired me to help at his house. We sanded and oiled the porch with some 11 herb and spice Australian teak oil or something. We used heaps of paper towel to wipe it off (likely the plastic variety technically) and threw them in a metal trash can with a black bag liner. Also the roller rested over the barrel full of spent towels and dripped in a few times, so the rags were plentiful and very saturated. Anyway that evening on his way to bed I think it was his young son asked what the flickering light was out the window, it was the barrel on fire under the porch overhang. We were a few minutes away from burning the hacienda down! My personal policy now is dry used rags in a single layer or seal them in a can with water and leave outside in the open. Also this guy in the vidya seems full of shit, stay skeptical!
In our machine shop, it was a combination of oily rags and kerosene rags, the two most common cutting fluids for steel and aluminum back in the 80s. We never had any incidents, since we used one of those foot activated lid, fire engine red safety cans. A few floors down in the wood shop, though, they had a few smouldry incidents with various polymerizing oil finishes and rags/paper towels. As far as i know, never any open flames in the four years I was there.
Kerosene and cutting oil doesn't self ignite. Only substances that self heat, usually ones that polymerize, are a risk of fire. Woodworking oils are the most common offenders. Stains and polyurethanes are aggressive in their thermal generation as they cure.
@@knurlgnar24 I suspect in the machine shop, it was just a matter of prudence. Ever light steel wool on fire? I've seen it catch in an over-full chip bin on a lathe. Depending on the material and the cut, some chips are incredibly hot. Not to mention welding and grinding. Wise not to have especially flammable odds and ends laying around.
I have seen first hand a sander filled with linseed oil sawdust burn. It did not conflagrate but it produced enough heat to burn through the 3/4 hardwood 3/4 subfloor and was found sitting on the drywall of the first floor ceiling.
He sat there and stared at those rags for over 11 hours, mic fully charged the whole time, and got THREE fires (each on a different scenario). The last one he was watching Seinfeld and still got to the fire within a few seconds. Also, watching Seinfeld with a hot mic? Seems likely.
Now I’m going be agnostic on the verdict for the time being but he does mention it’s cold in his shop so it’s not surprising he’s wearing the jacket when sitting around waiting and taking it off for composed shots.
"Oh my gosh! I can't believe I lied! Good thing I caught it all on tape for the insurance!" Ehh.. "I don't waste alot of time online, but when I do; I make shit up." - Jebus
You are 100% incorrect, I am a health and safety professional with decades of experience including managing safety for woodworking facilities. Certain types of solvents, including Linseed Oil can absolutely spontaneously combust. This is a well-known fact and if you review the SDS sheets for such solvents you will find out just how wrong you are.
Smokes first. I’ve seen it. Worked in a shop that used linseed oil and it will catch fire, but it always is a slow process, and the friggen smoke lets you know. And Seinfeld should be banned. 😊
There isn't enough evidence here to claim fraud. Spontaneous combustion only occurs on the top where the oil has access to air. You have to hit the sweet spot of enough access to air that the rag heats up but enough insulation that it retains it's heat. Oil when it's ignited this way doesn't smoke much. It's only when the rest of the can catches that excess smoke starts. Taking a second to put on a jacket is also not evidence of anything. Not taking the time to jacket first when he plans to use the extinguisher inside also makes sense. The worst evidence he's got is the guy is wearing a microphone. He's making a video. Of course he's wearing a microphone. So what if it's annoying to wear. That's what you do.
Its like the restoration videos, if you know what a rusty **insert item here** looks like that you found in a barn with the effects of animal droppings, water, or out in a field, or in the desert and what a item looks like when it has been soaked in bleach and vinegar water for a few weeks to get those glorious before shots...... So much of youtube is snake oil idiots.
Funny, I've seen fires happen before and well 100% of the time, if it does catch flame, it's from down under, within the betwixtness, where ALL THE HEAT IS TRAPPED!!!!
AvE, I do not believe I have ever commented on your videos before. I have watched you for many, many, years and truly appreciate everything you do. I still quote you sometimes and people look at me weird as if Home Depot isn't called the Homeless Deathspot. As I was going to bed, I pulled up whatever was your latest video and was met with this. I truly value what you create and because of that, if there is something "off" about a video, I want to say something. I believe you are incorrect with this video. I will touch on the facts in a moment, but just logically speaking, I do not know what Jason at Bourbon Moth would have to gain to by faking this video. His sponsor, Squarespace, would gain nothing directly unless his hopes are just going viral. I doubt his sponsorship with them is based on CPM or view count, so his only income would be from those who signup with his link, and whatever amount they negotiated ahead of time. He does have a link to fireproof trashcan, which would be a conflict of interest for sure if that is an affiliate link, but I am unsure because he does not say it is. While he could lie, that is an easy thing to catch and get in trouble for. Now, you might ask what standing ground I have to even comment. While I am also a woodworker, I run a video production company and have a VFX background, with a degree in multimedia film production and broadcast, so I do believe, for whatever it is worth, that I know what I am talking about. I agree, I do not know why he said the video was after midnight. The clock and timestamp both clearly state otherwise. As for all of your other claims, they would be easy to disprove he uploaded the entire video uncut. Odds are, he has an editor for his videos so they were going to be cutting to the best shot for each "scene". As someone who has been an editor for many large channels on UA-cam, he has plenty of revenue to do so. For pretty much all of the fires, you suggest that he used lighter fluid and a source of ignition for the fire, the catalyst for this thought seemingly being the lack of smoke. In many other videos, your included, it does seem that smoke is a key factor. However, even at a 4K, UA-cam compression would struggle to show smoke on that wide shot unless it was thick. Grey smoke on grey concrete will be absolutely lost in compression. At the very start, before the fire, you can see the smoke rising because on the can behind it, you can watch at the grey changes colors slightly, indicated something is lightening the color. This is very very subtle but I am little taught to look for stuff like this. As for the other camera and this supposed mic/jacket issue, it is clear he did some pickup shots for comedic relief. The shot in short sleeves at the start, where he is playing the flute and goofing around is shot during daytime. It is not lying to add that in as it does not change the point of the video in any way. But as he stated, he cuts on the heat in the video so it makes sense for him to take the jacket off for later in the video and putting it on when going outside or if the temp dropped lower than the shop could be heated to. Also, what do you mean wireless mic connected to the camera? That is not how his audio is done at all. He is most likely recording directly to the recorder and syncing in post with the cameras scratch audio. His audio is far too good to be recorded directly to a cameras terrible preamps. So that means he has the lav connected and little pack sitting beside him. As someone who uses these daily, and places them on brides and grooms during weddings for 12 hours, typically after an hour they have forgotten it was even on and have left with them still on. I am not sure what equipment you use, but even a cheap Tascam DR-10L or Zoom F2 is so tiny you can stick it in a pocket. I just don't understand this video? So many of the points you make are just off the cuff and weak. 6 and half hours with a hat and set of Blundstone boots on? What do you expect him to do, change between every shot? He is potentially playing with fire, of course he going to have on boots. You complain the can isn't melting at 5:18? Well, check at 26:00 in his video and you can see what it takes for it to melt so that little fire isn't big enough yet. You complain about other angles at 5:23, but just moments prior, you complained about the only other angle he could have cut to. He had a wide shot, action started, so he cut to the closer camera. That seems completely reasonable and something you will see in every piece of media on TV or movies. Wide, Medium, Tight, freshman in film school learn this. Not only this, but you say at 5:27 "why isn't he cutting to the other angle, it was distinctly left out" but you literally showed the other angle in your video. I do not understand, he showed it? It was never left out. You complain that he's "eating lunch" at 6:15 and get stuck on the mic issue. One, the first sentence of that shot he says he is eating "dinner" and the short sleeve shots prior to that, as I stated above, were recorded earlier in the day or after the cut the eat on, hence the no jacket. It seems like you watched sections of the video and cherry picked a narrative out of it. AvE, overall I just do not understand this video. I hate hit pieces, I hate videos that just make claims with zero facts. I deal with that every day in my work and in politics. But this video just misses the mark. How would he fake this? I know you state lighter fluid and some source of ignition, but we would see that. Unless he had some wireless remote ignition, we would see him run into frame. If you are going the VFX idea, there is no chance. Too many reflections here that would give that away. I do not know Jason, but from what I have seen, I just don't think this is faked. In many of his other videos, he makes some major mistakes (like his treehouse build) that have to be corrected by the audience. To go from that, to pulling off a fake video on the dangers of linseed oil using VFX or some camera trickery to start a fire makes no sense. The reward is low for him and he gains nothing. So if you read this, please know this comes from someone who really enjoys your work and identifies with many of morals you share. This just seems off the mark and lot's of accusations are levied without much backing behind them. Given the size of your channel, if Jason uploads a full, uncut version, it would tell the full story here.
I'm certain this is bullshit, so I'm pointing it out. It's such a waste because what would he have to gain? Very little. No smoke, pantomime, incongruities, swapping garbage cans, lighter fueled fire. But hey, you do you man. (Also a bit of inside baseball: there's a few guys who were privy to this, it's a small world.)
Hi Noah, thanks for the well thought out comment. In regards to AvE's comment on the bags and trash cans not melting. They are made of HDPE (high density polyethylene). The melting point for HDPE is 130 degrees Celsius. His point is that that melting point is lower that the temperature needed for spontaneous combustion, so you would expect to see the plastic melt *before* any fire starts.
I could not agree more with this. I've been watching for some time myself, but this is just a weird video... also all the goobers just agreeing to be liked or some shit. This has happened in my own shop before. I'm not sure if I'm missing the point or if there's some play on the word spontaneous that folks are trying to dig at, but the only thing I find incorrect or "off" to your point was the time stuff.. Not sure why citing the incorrect time on his buddy's video is some kind of conspiracy. The can is still on fire and it's still late at night? Bourbon's channel is a really lighthearted, enjoyable place. He's never come off scammy and in fact, my own brother actually did gun training with him and says he's a solid dude. I just find this whole vibe in this to be real "hater' feeling and off the mark. I've watched enough AvE videos to know he won't give a shit but I think I'm done here. This just feels all kinds of negativity in the community that none of us needs in these times. Dude's out here making a living doing what he loves and trying to make an informative piece... could he have been more scientific in his results reporting... likely, but no reason to go in on someone baselessly attacking them. Have you even watched his other videos? Good day folks... stay safe and sane if ya can.
Spot on. I've been watching Bumblefuck for longer than Bourbon Moth, but of these two videos, it's funny, the one withOUT all the burning plastic trash bins somehow smells worse. AvE's video here was a very low-effort conclusion in search of evidence.
@@Ryan_Thompson Totally. It’s total horseshit and all the chemists that just happen to be in one place today is astounding. The center of mass of rags is where the heat is generated… It’s not a “fake news” video because heat drops off pretty quickly between where the combustion takes place and the outer area of the cans. While I cringe that he did this in plastic cans, all the armchair scientists are a damn joke. There’s nothing weird about this. When the one in my shop started it was in a plastic container as well and smaller than these buckets. If you’re so certain and have some mysterious people “privy” then it’s on you to prove shit. Coming out and talking shit about someone based on yer feelin in yer gut is a pretty crap thing to do to someone, especially when it’s part of their livelihood. If it gets proofed out that Jason is a sack of crap out here click baiting just for for the lulz then I’ll apologize, but this all just feels real skeezy.
40 years ago I got close to a fire, I spilled Lind seed and Japan dryer so I mopped it up with a pair of old Levi’s and after a half hour it started to smoke and became so hot it was hard to pick up. I threw the pants in the bath tub and flooded it with water. There was a lot of smoke since it almost filled my apartment. Don’t ask, it was a bad day.
The fact that he kept his radio mic on the outside of his t shirt and inside of his jacket tells me that he quickly turned it on and clipped it to his shirt whenever he needed to say something. And as somebody who will occasionally film reality TV productions, keeping a lav on somebody all day isn’t out of the ordinary. And then along those same production lines, it’s hard to see smoke on camera unless it’s backlit. You need contrast, especially on lower quality consumer grade cameras. I’m not saying that he didn’t lie to us, but I don’t think you necessarily disproved anything either.
That very same thing happened in our welding shop. We've had our plastic garbage cans full of paper and oily rags catch on fire for no apparent reason. Only difference, there was smoke and i didnt have my jacket on for the -35 winter day. I'd like to blame god, but it was probably the guy next to the can grinding.
At my shop they used to have buckets of solvent laying around.. I don't remember the name, it's a 3 letter acronym and highly carcinogenic, and some guy caught one on fire while welding next to it.. he never bothered to check, guy got fired. Complacency is dangerous..
as a former wood floor re-finisher i can attest to things spontaneously combusting... but they always smoke and smolder first. ever play checkers? black smoke before red fire.
Lack of smoke is really the dead giveaway. That and the fire conveniently starting on the surface of the pile. A fire is much more likely to start in the middle where the rags are more densely packed together with nowhere for the heat to dissipate. This environment would also have less oxygen for the fire, which would cause it to smoulder for a bit prior to fully igniting. There would be plenty of smoke before there was visible fire. I concur with uncle bumblefuck. If you believe the original video is real, then you probably also believe the stripper really is in love with you.
Pretty sure you can see a tiny bit of paper ash float out of the bin right when he panned over to the bin and you paused... a little bit of paper to ignight the accelerant gives just enough time to walk away and very little smoke.
Oh god, this Bourbon Moth dude put comments back on and put a nice little note of his own at the top. Calling AvE a liar as well as the rest of us, totally misrepresenting every point AvE and us made against the clearly faked video. This fellow's just trying to do doing damage control now trying to keep his sponsor.
You just don't know this dude. His whole life is a pantomime. So it follows that, well, this. Just as much as it follows that plastic gears wear faster; or modern tools will have a failure point built in; or that cold rolled steel will bend when it has a part of it removed. And to some degree you should know this, expect it. But then the real point is that so should a whole lot of other people who rather buy into the YT maker celebrity religion.
I didn't think it was lighter fluid, I thought it was alcohol, maybe bourbon. Also, when he pointed the non-contact thermometer at the plastic bag that ignited was the temp above the melting temp? I might rewatch that bit.
With highly volatile fuels, as they burn they also cool the surface they sit on via evaporative cooling. The IR thermometer will be showing the temperature based on emission from the flame while the substrate can be quite cool by comparison. I wouldn't recommend it but you can have burning fuel on bare skin under the right conditions without burning yourself.
Here's a pro tip on debunking: focus on the cold hard science. The incidental elements like his jacket and mic are what the defense would lean on because they can be explained (while the no smoke/no melting situation can't). I know you made this angry and spontaneously, but the focus on filmmaking aspects will allow them to muddy the waters if they ever respond. Anyway, love your stuff ❤
agreed, yeah. the part of this that was by far the most relevant to me was the smoke thing; these things always smolder and smoke. but the jacket/mic stuff is definitely explainable in an innocent way and i bet if the guy ever responds he's going to emphasize that, rather than the smoking
I was a full time fire service fire investigator, as part of my research I attempted to recreate a spontaneous combustion of cotton rags with numerous non synthetic oils - we were unable to get a full combustion but did achieve some good heating and some discolouration. From our investigation into reports of spontaneous combustion many reports turn out to be incorrect or just repeating of claims made by others. I am fully aware of the science involved, however the conditions required for the "perfect storm" of a rag to burst in to flames is extremely hard to achieve - so to summarise - this gentleman is bullshitus maximus!
you still got any buddies in the fire investigation business? I'd be super interested in seeing them try to reproduce his experiment. If he got 3/18 to ignite, that's worth a retest.
@@root1657 I retired 4 years ago after 30 years service, most investigators wouldn't be interested in it I think as it is considered a minor ignition source. There are plenty of references to self heating and spontaneous combustion in the main FI reference books such as Kirks.
I appreciate the meat to potatoes ratio of your video compared to Thunder-rabbit and dAVE (of DaveCAD fame)'s numerous de-bunking vids. Only one solid look at that fellas beard is needed to fully indicate that he's making a doomed attempt to hide all manner of seedy facts however.
Can confirm it will smoke like snoop doggie dogg. Happened when I was a kid in our basement garage and my mother had time to remove all of us, lock all pets in a room with water soaked rags under the door with no active flame. This was the late 90s and even the firefighter told us he had a pile of rags he would dispose of promptly.
Too bad because this guy makes some fascinating furniture. His videos are often about showing off his 100s of thousands of dollars of Festering Stool equipment though.
While it may all be debatable, my first issue with the whole thing is why would you do such an experiment inside the shop to begin with? That is dangerous af!
Insurance companies, the people with the most financial skin in the game, and firefighters have exhaustively studied spontaneous combustion. Those interested can refer to their literature. The National Fire Protection Association have ample material. The process includes self-heating (measurable by thermocouple in tests if anyone wants to play), thermal runaway and finally auto-ignition. The process would have affected the plastic bags before reaching ignition temperature which is several hundred degrees.
Stumbled on this video just like I stumbled onto his whenever it came out. Gotta say, I expected better from you AvE. I don't see any reason why he'd stage this. I don't recall seeing a video sponsor. I think he's got a patreon (and a business). I'm seeing lots of people in the comments saying its a real thing that's happened to them. And then I hear AvE asking about weird nit picky stuff like mics being annoying or him not using the camera angle where you wouldn't be able to see anything. Or you not liking the way he speaks/presents/narrates for a video. I think this guy might even be a fan of yours or at least know you because I could've sworn he's made an AvE reference at some point. Very curious to see his response. I don't doubt it'll provide a bunch of legitimate explanations: Whats wrong with already having the mic on him? And if it wasn't, it would take a few seconds to latch onto belt, clip on coat, and turn on. He probably didn't feel the need to put a hundred different camera angles because why would anyone think hes faking it? Hes taking temperatures as it goes. He's using shop towels in his test (which aren't necessarily the same as shop rags) because that's what he uses in his shop to apply oils. He may be comfortable wearing a hat all the time. Perhaps the smoke isn't picked up on camera? The bag was melting.. He picked it up and it was melted. The others didn't reach the melting temperatures of that material you mentioned. Etc etc. Anyway, very bizarre video you made here. Seems like starting pointless internet drama.
There's not an oil on planet earth that burns without moderate to heavy smoke; unless there's been an added oxidating substance. Even then, it's it's a stretch. Furthermore, even from a statistical point of view, spontaneous combustion is RARE! It requires very specific circumstances to happen. Having 3 spontaneous combustions happen in one sitting is damn near statically impossible. So, either we witnessed a scientific anomaly, or it was a sham.
@@jaredbrooker It's even more of a miracle than that, if you watch the whole video he claims that one of the three fires he sat outside REIGNITED after he sprayed it with a dry chemical fire extinguisher. He just shows them already engulfed in flames and the trash bin is now a melted pile of goo. So that's actually 4 fires in one day of filming, what luck eh?
@@spikerbrad23 out of 18 attempts to try to give it the conditions we are all warned not to do, so 3 seems low... also, in military firefighting we are specifically warned that dry chemical agent does not stop the conditions for a fire, and if the wind blew some of it off before the fuels were cooled off, then yes, there is a very specific and real possibility of reflash, that's why it all has to be flooded at the end of the video.
@@root1657 4 out of 18 seems low to you? That's a 22% success rate! That's not LOW, that's astronomically HIGH! Even if you stick with the 3 out of 18, that's a 16.6% success rate! That's insanely HIGH odds! Furthermore, you'd think at least one of those spontaneous combustions would produce heavy smoldering smoke, but they all ignited the EXACT same way. As I stated, either we witnessed a scientific and statistic anomaly, or this experiment was an absolute sham!
This video is the scam…. Don’t watch it. He makes these ridiculous leaps to try to prove it’s fake.
Your wood-elf buddy is lying to you Kane.
You think he’s lying. You don’t actually know
@@kanerman I do know he's lying. And if you listen to your gut, you'll know it too.
He most likely just listened to his friend tell him it was after midnight and didn’t look for himself. The flames happen at the top because you can’t see the flames until they reach the top. Your experience of no fire was likely due to the VOCs evaporating before combustion temperatures were reached. Perhaps the contained you used acted as a heat sink and also prevented it from reaching the combustion point of your rag.
This video also smacks a bit of flat earther type reasoning. A couple of half truths and ignoring the full picture. It’s kind of like a ‘forest for the trees’ type thing. In this case the reasoning seems to be that a tree is dead so therefore the entire forest must be dead.
I don’t think anyone, including you, tells the truth anymore. So I do my own research and come up with my own answers. Sometimes I’m wrong but usually I’m not.
I still thoroughly enjoying watching all of the AvE videos. That wood-elf’s videos are meant for entertainment and not information if I want information and knowledge, I will look elsewhere.
I watched this video and missed the smoke part - and I've actually had rags go up, and they smoke like a 80s mother at thanksgiving
Smokes like that same mom on movie intermission.
I find it likely he just cut that part out of the video, no need to show smoking bags.
@@rdizzy1 I think we all know what he really cut out...
@@rdizzy1 nah they smoke even more when they finally DO catch fire though, which indicates that there was no linseed oil in any of those cans that caught fire. Even if it was hot enough to burn perfectly with no smoke, the shop would still be FILLED TO THE BRIM with thick white acrid smoke. He would have had to let it air out for an hour to get the visible particles settle out of the air.
Oily rags usually only spontaneously combust when the mortgage shorts out against the insurance policy.
I've heard that as a friction fire. they rub against each other and poof.
What's that other word that translates to: "Mass destruction by fire / Burned religious sacrifice"
Oh, yeah. "Lightning", the other business venture of god.
Lol, Jewish lightening!
😂😂😂
I'm not only a former firefighter but I have a big woodshop/shop... its not a myth but it doesn't just POOF catch on fire like that. Its more of a smolder and burn thing then an eruption of flames. Its all about how SMALL the container is and how much heat the vessel can hold and build up.
In Australia linseed rags freeze and do not combust. Yes , toilets water swirls in reverse duh. Also firefighters have fewer days off.
Correct.
We had a thermal fused can we put oil soaked rags in. Lid closes if it gets hot and chokes it down.
Yep, which is why Bourbonmoths video is BS
@@tokin420nchokin yeah this same concept is used for trash compactors at the bottom of tall buildings
In college, roommate had a bag of floor stain soaked rags spontaneously combust. At midnight. Smoke detector went off because that b*tch was rollin coal in the front room. Roommate panics and tries to grab said burning bag and throw it outside, hilarities ensue because the bag disintegrates in his hands and now we have many small fires all around the front room.😂😂 And that was the night the local fire department explained to my roommate about spontaneous combustion 😊
This.
The burbon ratfaced cuck should have to pay me a dollar everytime he says spontaeous combustion😮
.. everyone who watches IT crowd knows you put the fires together with the other fires while you email the fire department. what a noob!
@@notsonominal
That episode was hilarious.
...and everybody stood up and clapped...?
I wrote a paper in college about hemp production in Kentucky. The hemp seeds would often be stored in a bin. And spontaneous combustion was not uncommon. So they constructed the bins in way to stop the build up of internal heat.
My history professor was surprised when the paper I turned in was a serious explanation of hemp farming, rope production, and no jokes about the alternative use of the leaf. I had one footnote that explained that the strain of hemp they grew was bred for it's fiber qualities and had almost none of the intoxicant properties.
Would like to know what made the seeds combust
@@davidramey7186 Decomposition. Grain bins will catch fire if grain is left in there for a year or two
@@davidramey7186 It can happen in aggregations (piles, mounds, containers, etc.) of a variety organic matter.
@@davidramey7186 as others have indicated, heaped organics and decomposition processes. Specifically, the growth of bacteria and mold which excrete flammable alcohols like ethanol and methanol, and amino acids that may polymerize like linseed oil under certain circumstances.
I designed an irrigation system for a hemp farm for my fluid dynamics class 😆
If he had 2 cameras recording the "'whole" time. The easiest thing to do is to upload the full video unedited. Also would have been nice if he had a clock going in both of the shots.
Also, "having the cameras running the whole time" on time lapse means that you could easily pause the time lapse even for a few minutes and restart it, and you would never be able to notice the difference. Agreed on uploading the whole thing: an actual good use of UA-cam's 10 hour limit. Just put in chapter markers and/or note the timestamps in the description.
@@erikdietrich2678 It would probably be very hard to tell, but if something all of a sudden moved, you would be able to see it. Also there is probably an algorithm out there that could detect movement in a video. Lastly the Slow Mo Guys 2 has a video that's 19 hours long, unless they just put that limit in place.
Sad cause the risk of linseed rags is a real thing, but “proving” it by setting up a fake video doesn’t help the cause.
There's a vijayo on here about it from a few years ago
cap'n tight pants and the mysteriously handy undersized winter jacket.... show at 11
mystery miniseries of the hipster beard and skinny jeans conspiracy
Sherlock AvE and the mystery of the smokeless smolder and convenient mic coincidence
...yknow...im getting tired of convenient conspiracy coincidences...let alone noticing them.. all the time
@@TheNapalmFTW true but in that video he did use old and already largely reacted linseed oil. i dont necessarily believe it can start a fire but i never understood why AvE didnt use a fresh can of oil.
If linseed oil rags catch fire ya think I would have seen it once in 55 years of metal buckets full of em, maybe the equatorial zone is exempt.......
You'd need a spark. This is reality.
As the saying goes. Where there's smoke there is fire.
Oh no, that isn't smoke. That's steam, from the steamed rags we're having. Mmmm, steamed rags!
The dude was blowing so much smoke of his own that there was none left for the fire.
...or someone getting high enough for the Good Idea Fairy to pay a visit.
I think it's more likely where there's smoke there's probably bullsh*t.
...And when there is not, you're a liar.
I'm here with another "I had oily rags catch fire and it looked like a Tatra with busted seals going uphill" story. It was so much oily smoke the workshop still smells of linseed oil years later.
Them Bohemians sure knew how to make a smoke screen... :)
If you can’t be interesting, fake drama.
It’s just lazy content from people chasing views.
You know, my first job was working in the laundry department of a medical facility. Every night, the night shift would have to wash and then air dry the dietary grease rags. There was two fires that broke out. Both times, the night shift guy said that he washed and air dried the rags and that it was spontaneous combustion. Well one night I come in and check to see exactly what this dude was doing and sure enough, he had thrown the rags in the dryer and taped the switches down so it would run for hours on end. He did this because he would sleep in his car. Well I then saw him take the greasy, and now hundreds of degrees hot rags in a metal bin and leave it. Needless to say the guy was fired after that. Mind you this was a 50 year old grown man without common sense, and I was an 18 year old highschool drop out who knew better than this dude.
It's it crazy the difference in diligence between people? Some 30 year old are no smarter than 16 year olds. Lol
There is no such thing as common sense
Restaurant owner checking in here. I've had two laundry fires, both caused by the dryer not going through the cool down cycle, due to a sketchy door latch. A pile of hot towels, with even a little residual oil, left in a hot pile, will ignite within an hour.
@@PatrickPecoraro plenty of uncommon sense to go around 😊
@@PatrickPecoraro There used to be, but it was outlawed by government to make sure we're all to blame for everything... :P
Spontaneous rag combustion is one of those things where you need the holes in the swiss cheese to align- the correct conditions with an exothermic reaction able to accelerate enough under it's own heat, the insulation to retain that heat, initial raised temperature to get that reaction going fast enough to self-heat and material capable of autoignition under those quite specific conditions. Those trash bags and likely the trash cans would've long shown symptoms indicative of being heated with portions becoming more plastic with increasing temperature leading to deforming, collapsing under their own weight, bonding to nearby material and forming holes under the kind of heat escaping that kind of runaway reaction. I've enough scars from droplets of burning polyethylene to know what it looks like when heated and ignited. The polyethylene trash bag especially has a lot of surface area relative to it's volume which would've lead to it being more prone to autoigniting before the fabric can.
Any rag touching the plastic bag or close to it likely doesn't have enough access to oxygen to heat up. These rags would act as an insulating layer. Meanwhile the plastic would be cooled by the outside air. I don't think it could melt prior to a fire except under very rare conditions.
I think, he used polyethylene for a reason, it's incredibly CHEMICALLY resistant. Something could be missing from the equation.
The pursuit of views plagues good content just as prioritizing profit is the blight of good engineering.
PVC trash cans inside his insured building while trying to catch things on fire, hopefully his insurance agent sees this
One could argue good engineering fits inside its budget...
@@zacharytuttle5618 I agree with you, but I'm referring to financially-driven practices that compromise the quality and/or performance of a design such as substituting sub-par or even dangerous designs/methods to save a buck.
like when NBC rigged Chevy trucks to explode in certain tests for its weekly Dateline expose show back in November 1992.
This is a great topic and I would very much like to invite you to discuss this with Jason on my podcast. Please contact me to set up a time. Thank you!
No, giving him airplay is wrong. It's bullshit, we all see it's bullshit and now he's trying to get more attention out of it. Ignore.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I'm simply offering an opportunity for both of you to discuss it. I have no bias. Bourbon Moth has agreed to this and is willing to discuss your contentions openly with me as a mediator. I am just waiting for you. My apologies for having to contact you in this manner, but you have no other contact info and no social media presence that I can find. Again, please contact me via any of my platforms. Thank you! 👍
Waste of energy, Steve. You judge the tree by it's fruit; you can see a man by his works.
I smell chicken
I would really like to see this. I feel The bearded froth has some explaining to do. The reality is not many opinions or beliefs will change either way. (Do it though, doitdoitdoitdoit.
It seems the fella tucked his tail and ran after this video. He turned off the comments and lied about your video. Any man with a clear conscience would have the balls to address the points raised in the criticism. Not Bourbon moth. No siree. Doubled down with more lies.
When I was a kid in the first year of high school (11 in the UK), our science teach spent half an hour explaining how thermometers work, he then had us all make one using a PE bottle with a straw and water. We had to then place our creations in hot water and record our results. Nearly everybody (including me I'm ashamed to say), wrote that the water raised up the straw when in reality it fell. He then explained that it was a ruse, because we hadn't considered that the PE bottle would expand more than the water. A brilliant lesson from a great teacher about the importance of recording facts and something I've never forgotten.
Sounds like a great teacher 👍. I've seen multiple scientists & engineers create the results they were testing for because the opposite result wouldn't help their cause. We humans are crazy animals sometimes haha
I'm going to use this with my kids!
@@WhenTheManComesAround The almighty dollar sure gets the results you need.... I know 1st hand and it broke my heart
My high school chemistry teacher was a retired petroleum engineer and she was all about accurate reporting. The equipment we had for the lab segments was crap, often contaminated, like pipettes with mold inside. As a result, many of the experiments just didn't work like they should have. The teacher didn't care about the actual results, she just wanted to see how we documented the failures, including listing possible reasons why things went wrong.
In college, my Chem I TA was the exact opposite. She docked us points for not getting the "right" results even if it was because of defective gear, and docked more points for "unnecessary commentary" in our lab reports documenting such problems.
@@drcornelius8275 - sounds like when NBC rigged Chevy trucks to explode in certain tests for its weekly Dateline expose' show back in November 1992.
The amount of absolutely choking, foul smoke they pack into even a tiny bit of oil is very impressive. Ask my kitchenware how I know.
Its not the linseed oil self igniting , that has a flash point of 600°F/315°C , its the rag material with lower ignition point , papers and cotton round 400-450°F/200-230°C
Are you saying that only the rag would burn, not the oil?
@@pete_lind I'll light a candle to that little factoid!
...please correct me on how I don't drive my car to the store, but rather the ECM controls the combustion parameters, that drive the potential/kinetic energy conversion, something, something... I never had my car.
@@jxvz4895 no, he's saying the oil isn't what's self igniting. The combustion of the oil is being bootstrapped by material with a lower combustion point
@@pete_lind the oil would burn immediately with the rag and create a lot of smoke. Linseed oil and its characteristic stinky dirty smoke is described often in older texts.
There's different types of linseed oil too. I know of a rather large insurance claim at a public hall due to oily rags smoking. Notice I said smoke. Lots of smoke. No fire.
This video was about as convincing as the “flat earth proof” videos. The most convincing point was that he didn’t choose the camera angle you would have. Although… I guess you could have said that from either camera angle.
We all believe what we want to believe.
Except anyone with half a braincell knows that there's no oil on planet earth that burns in an open flame that DOESN'T produce SMOKE! NOT ONE! Unless there's some sort of oxidizing substance added, there's always moderate to heavy smoke involving oils. Furthermore, from a statistical point of view, spontaneous combustion is RARE! It requires very strict circumstances to happen. Being able to produce 3 spontaneous combustions in session is almost statistically IMPOSSIBLE! So we either witnessed a scientific anomaly, or a sham.
This was quite literally what I said in my long reply to him. He claims that someone on the inside told him that Jason faked it.
@@littlebugwoodworking ave had earlier video with just one bucket where he could not reproduce it. Big ego. People hate to be wrong. Oh well.
@@littlebugwoodworking yeah, but if he already spent so much time on the video and offending another person - even if his bucket starts smoking - he will never admit it. )))
I just love how the restoration videos find a hidden gem in the woods, and it's all covered in an even coating of red mud.
I’ve personally had solvent soaked rags spontaneously catch fire, while at work no less. It happened after I turned my back to grind welds to the customer’s specs. I was busy grinding and being mesmerized by the glowing sparks shooting up through the air, as one does, to see exactly how or when the rags mysteriously lit themselves on fire...
Igniting a rag that's loaded with solvent is different than rags igniting due to the heat of oil polymerizing.
maybe from the pretty sparks?
Some people just don't get it do they? I always forget how the saying goes, but isnt it, "You can lead a whore to water, but you can't make her......?" I can never remember that 2nd part though?
No no, he has a point. Because the hat ass in the video spontaneously combusted his rags with a sparking apparatus as well.
Dude I had the same thing happen! I put a 5 gallon bucket of oily rags under my plasma cutting table and was just going about me day. The SECOND I was concentrating on making a plasma cut the rags spontaneously combusted! It's always when you take your eye off them
The other 2 bags were poofed up, but if the fire wasn't visible it wouldn't be a good angle for the camera, so the bag that ignited was flattened for the shot.
The two times i've witnessed oil rags spontaneously combust, they started by smouldering.
You'll smell it before you see smoke, and you'll see smoke before you see flames.
... Unless your fire is starting in a dumpster in the hot sun, then you might see flames first. I didn't witness that one but the charred stairs at work are still there.
They have to smoulder before the temp builds enough to a flash point, I find it difficult to see how flames could come first.
Yeah we smelled it an was looking for like 10 min where the smell was from an found it smoking just outside the door in the leantoo area, nasty smell smoldering like when using embers to start a fire in the woodstove no flame but hot as hell when we found it moved watered an then poured it out to keep from rebuilding heat to be safe so we could go back to work
Did you use the same oil? Similar rags? Containers? Setting?
That’s how our dumpster fire started. Rags in a hot dumpster mid-summer. Flames got big with all that cardboard and saw dust.
@@BillJBrasky sounds like damage control to me: the one thing he can say that isn't instantly verifiably false.
Where's the smoke? Even on low quality cameras, we should see quite a bit. Also, the way heat moves is pretty universal: the fires shouldn't be starting on top. Also, the containers being unaffected shows some remarkable polymer characteristics: those bags and bins must have cost hundreds of dollars each!
As I asked another commenter, what's more likely: did a guy try to make a video showing a known danger not get the result showing the danger, so he faked it, or did physics just break down in his corner of the world for an afternoon? In my experience, the laws of nature are a lot more reliable than humans...
About 35 years ago, I was building some wood bases for some architectural models. I coated these with Watco Danish Oil and threw the oily soaked tee shirts in my kitchen trashcan about 5 o'clock that evening. The dinner trash went on top of the rags and about 2 AM I woke up with the smoke detectors in my house going off. Spontaneous combustion does happen.
Ave never says it doesn’t, he even has a video showing it does
Did he say smoke alarms went off? There you have it, smoke before the fire
Right there would be a lot of heat and smoke before any flames
Worked for Jeep in Old Paint / paint repair as a painter. We had pre-treated wipes that included chemicals like 99% alcohol, Methyl ethyl ketone peroxide, AKA: MEKP or DBJ, AKA: Deformed Baby Juice and a couple others. To give an idea how bad MEK was/is, out of 8 painters and 4 utilities that either worked in the booth or covered them, I am literally the last one alive. That said one of the biggest issue was spontaneous combustion. Although we had special grounded containers to prevent this from static, they would also combust from just the heat. Include that with painters who were from the main paint line filling in for overtime and who never dealt with this issue. They would toss wipes in any trash container including trash containers right next to 55 gallon drums of the same chemicals. Good times. We got the high risk of cancer as well as the possibility of fireworks going off in our faces. I saw it happen more times then I care to remember.
From now on, in my lexicon, Methyl Ethyl Ketone is now Deformed Baby Juice. LOL, it's brutal but I love it!
Good ol methyl ethyl kill you.
@Lesardah MEK is just the precursor bud.
As bad as MEK is, people saw it, realized that, and said, 'I bet it'd be cool if we added a bunch of extra oxygen to the mix'.
Exposing yourself to MEKP(peroxide, one oxygen per hydrogen = unstable/super reactive) is like spraying shitty grafitti over your DNA with cancer paint.
BUT BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MINUTE TO TALK ABOUT SHOP SAFETY. BE SURE TO READ, UNDERSTAND, AND FOLLOW ALL SAFETY RULES AND REMEMBER, THERE'S NO MORE IMPORTANT RULE THAN TO WEAR THESE, SAFETY GLASSES.
just your average ordinary everyday normal Norm.
NORM!!!!!!!
I keep mine in a dry wooden box next to my 55 gal drum stove, never had a problem. We did have a corn silo combust from the pressure and heat of the summer that was cool and scary. One time in the Afghanistan we had the humvee we were in spontaneously combust from a road side bomb.
That happened to me in Iraq. Somebody should do something about those humvees.
@@boneyardrendezvous yeah them men in rags have been on for while.
@@boneyardrendezvous it's not a flaw, it's a feature.
Limiting the oxygen flow prevents combustion.
You Sir owe me a new monitor and a pint of Ale. Who knew Ale could be fired out of the nose with such violence that it can ricochet out of the glass onto a monitor three foot away.
The other day I lit a candle in my woodshop for a vid-ya-o. Against all odds, my shed did not burn to the ground. :-)
Oh! Ya dirty stinker!
Some paint strippers I've seen have had strong acids it them. Seems so have the notion of softening the wood to force the paint to let go....But they absolutely will react with some organics (including sawdust itself in the right circumstance) to produce heat ... quite easily enough at times to cause combustion. Look at some "elephant's tooth" reactions and you will see smoke quite often in such videos. Don't know that the acids in (some) paint strippers are quite as strong as near pure sufuric, but even quite weak acids can react to produce considerable heat in the right circumstance.
I watch this guy's woodworking videos from time to time.... has an interesting sense of humor. I actually saw this video and it didn't occur to me it might be faked... You raise some interesting questions AVE, you really do!
He's pretty comical . Bourbon Moth if I remember correctly.
Disappointing that he could have faked this .
Almost as entertaining as AVE
@@colinhudson3723 Anyone who goes YT full time is going to do some cringey stufffor clicks/views/revenue. I have a hard time taking full time YT personalities seriously. Then again it could just be my latent "trust issues" honed over my personal life, and after retiring from the military, cropping up but I'm always asking myself, "What's their angle?"
Disappointing, his woodworking content is good, he gets plenty of views…maybe all the crafty DIY Swiss Family Suburbs stuff has been sliding since it’s pandemic height.
I just started watching this guy, he’s pretty entertaining and does nice work. I turned this video off after the first fire, way to convenient, then 2 more fires. No way.
Anyone who actually follows Jason and has for years, knows that he did not fake anything. I am a no-one in this scene, I don't usually comment, but I follow a lot of woodworkers/makers online and there really is not anyone more genuine (Maybe Diresta...) than Jason, and it is disheartening to see how fast people can jump to conclusions. Listen to his podcast, or watch his whole library and tell me this is a guy who would go through all of that effort to get more views...not buying that at all. I LOVE(D) AvE content, but this seems like one hell of a reach without much info, even for him...Maybe we should all get to know/understand people before we claim they are a sham...
Which is why AvE I personally never watch these fantasy you tube videos, oh look we caught on camera a huge monster climbing a block of flats, and yet when there is an accident nobody sees it happen maybe because they never have their camera on, oh look there goes Big Foot.
I’ve had lint seed oil combust but under direct sunlight
Edit: it starts to smoke a lot way before it catches alight
I worked in a business forms print factory back in the dark ages and there was a shriveled old ex-alcoholic that worked as general broom boy. The paper offcuts from the machinery was whisked away by a series of vacuum hoses to a side room with a bolted down hay baler where it was compressed into bales. Part of his rota of jobs was to check on this room, stack the bales, etc. He was a chain smoker, there was a doggy-do roll-your-own permanently stuck to his bottom lip. One Saturday morning, a meeting of the almighty white shirts was interrupted by a knock on the door. Then another knock when no response from the deities was forthcoming. Finally one of bosses yelled out to come in. Ol' pecker entered, apologized for interrupting, and only then told the Supreme beings that the factory was afire. Keep an eye out for paper dust. That stuff can be seriously bad for your wealth.
I worked at a printing plant that had two fires start when the baler jammed both smoked so bad it set the alarms off and we got out.
This dude is spontaneously busted 😂
Nice
@@dcrog69 Thank you ☺️
Spontaneously con-busted.
@@bobcarpenter1551 😂😂
Spontaneous Con-Busted 😂
At around 29:30 in his video, when two of the piles magically reignite, there is an awful lot of blue flames near the base of the fires. Looks and burns very similar to the way lighter fluid does when burning from a flat surface like concrete or other semi porous object.
i never like him anyway... now i know he is a scammer for views :D
If I spent that much time taping and numbering a grid, I'd make damn sure there's results too
If i went to the trouble and spent the money on all those brand new garbage cans, you bet I would too. Gotta make that youtube money. Cant do that with a no-show.
I watched this last week. As a firefighter, I knew that something was fishy when he carried those out with his hands in the bag/can. He would have needed a scoop shovel to get that out. That bag and can would have been a molten pile of goo. And undoubtedly sent him to the sink, rinsing his 2nd and possibly 3rd degree burns.
wow, amazing that a supposedly well trained fire fighter would not understand and believe the science behind spontaneous combustion of this type.
@@wilsonmetry Not much experience with arson I guess lol
You’re absolutely right. It may be spontaneous combustion but there is lots of heat right before the actual combustion. just like how a wet hay bale will catch on fire 👍
Ooh fuck. Now we have to worry about wet hay bales?!! I'm calling the gun control advocacy group, these spontaneous fires have to be stopped. We need spontaneous combustion free zones and permits for those who absolutely must do it.
Yup, same as how a compost pile gets steaming hot inside even on a cooler day. Now imagine a compost pile made of flammable organic solvents on cotton rags in a trashcan inside a 90f work shop. The organic solvents break down, create heat similar to a compost pile. Only difference is the compost pile isn't highly flammable like the rag pile.
The moment these ovary-acting "influencers" let out that super-fake "whaaaaaaat?!?" whine, the video gets stopped. And my mood at the time will dictate what combination of "Close" "Dislike" and "Don't Recommend Channel" buttons get hit...
The fact he disabled comments and deleted every prior comment that critiqued the video / called him out says everything.
I worked at a Bio Diesel plant that used soy bean oil as the feed. We had the Bio Fuel eat the seals out of the distillation tower discharge line and the day crew spread clay oil dry on the spill. The day crew placed the Bio Fuel/ oil dry into 55 gallon drums and left them open topped. 7 hours later I walked by and the drums were about 240 deg F. ( they were under the main pipe rack with feed oil, glycerol and methanol pipes.) The day temp was 90 deg f and the temp on my night shift was 60 deg f.
Which is proof that bio-fuels basically eat anything made of older synthetics, like seals and gaskets. It reminds me when they switched everything to unleaded. Many mods had to be made to the ~5 year old engines just so they wouldn't eat themselves. I gotta tell you, having worked in factories that had titanium dust in the atmosphere, MEK, Trichlor 1-1-1 and LOTs of acids, your walkby must have scared the ever loving beJesus out of you. That's some scary stuff.
Ya that could have been real bad.
Did you get 5 weeks paid vacation as a reward or did the manger blame you for moving the barrels?
@@jadesluv IDK, an employer who leaves meth pipes laying around must be pretty chill, but they shouldnt be feeding anyone soy oil let alone eating seals, that isnt a balanced diet
I am a backyard biodiesel maker and have have not less than three soaked rags catch fire, only when left in the sun outside, inside the shed in the shade seems to be fine, I won't leave them in the shed just in case. I generally burn them myself to know they are gone for good
Why does this remind me a a nightline expose on chevy trucks? No time lapse either - not like you need special equipment to make a time lapse of BOTH of your cameras you had over 6 hours of footage from.
Had not thought about the smoke when watching the video. When I ran into this issue it was with deck stain and a microfiber towel. I was not aware this could be an issue, I found it from a strange smell and when I opened the garbage can there was a ton of smoke, no fire but the bag was melting as I got it outside.
Good job ave yea seed oil cough cough OIL wasnt smoking yea sure ok yea my 2 stroke dont amoke either lmao
Keemstar has a brother? Who knew?
The cynicism was hard to pick up.
I will say that like most Americans nowadays we will give this guy a pass and name a school after him or maybe a new crypto coin.
tight pants coin!!
Can I name the coin and rug pull it after a whole one person invests 50 bucks?
Yeah bro SpontaneousCombustionCoin (SCC) is the next big thing... you put in $10k and BOOM.. overnight it bursts into flames and disappears. All in 4k too! Dont miss out!!
Spontani-coin!
You buy them and they spontaneously deflate the fuck out
Fullashitcoin
I saw that video when he put that out. I won’t accuse him of fabricating the results but I absolutely have had a linseed soaked rag start smoldering after I used it. And it wasn’t left very long either. Got my attention when I went to grab it and it was super hot and already had scorched holes eaten into it. Learned a lesson for sure.
I’m fairly certain that the plastic bags/bins would melt *before* the chemical reaction would reach the flashpoint of the cotton rags.
The heat is likely concentrated inside the rag pile, only a small portion needs to get hot enough to smoulder. This may still be a setup, but the entire can does not need to get to 400*
@@PVS3 maybe not the bin but those bags should melt very quickly well before combustion
Ditto
*autoignition point
for science
You don't have to reach the flash point of the rags, just the oil. Once the oil starts burning it'll set the rest of the oil soaked rags on fire.
It’s interesting as well that he happened to have the comment section off for this video.
I don't even need to pay attention to the lack of smoke, wardrobe, mic, and time fuckery. The plastic would have started to sag and melt before flames would even appear if this was all real and kosher.
I’ve experienced this, granted I didn’t see the flame because I left work but it was over my high school shop teachers house one summer, he hired me to help at his house. We sanded and oiled the porch with some 11 herb and spice Australian teak oil or something. We used heaps of paper towel to wipe it off (likely the plastic variety technically) and threw them in a metal trash can with a black bag liner. Also the roller rested over the barrel full of spent towels and dripped in a few times, so the rags were plentiful and very saturated. Anyway that evening on his way to bed I think it was his young son asked what the flickering light was out the window, it was the barrel on fire under the porch overhang. We were a few minutes away from burning the hacienda down!
My personal policy now is dry used rags in a single layer or seal them in a can with water and leave outside in the open.
Also this guy in the vidya seems full of shit, stay skeptical!
whoever smelt it dealt it..
The whole video and he never even attempts to douse his flaming britches despite those pants clearly being on fire
In our machine shop, it was a combination of oily rags and kerosene rags, the two most common cutting fluids for steel and aluminum back in the 80s. We never had any incidents, since we used one of those foot activated lid, fire engine red safety cans. A few floors down in the wood shop, though, they had a few smouldry incidents with various polymerizing oil finishes and rags/paper towels. As far as i know, never any open flames in the four years I was there.
Kerosene and cutting oil doesn't self ignite. Only substances that self heat, usually ones that polymerize, are a risk of fire. Woodworking oils are the most common offenders. Stains and polyurethanes are aggressive in their thermal generation as they cure.
@@knurlgnar24 I suspect in the machine shop, it was just a matter of prudence. Ever light steel wool on fire? I've seen it catch in an over-full chip bin on a lathe. Depending on the material and the cut, some chips are incredibly hot. Not to mention welding and grinding. Wise not to have especially flammable odds and ends laying around.
Ambient temperatures play a factor. Pretty easy to get flames during summer time in Texas.
So...I should spray down my old rags with lighter fluid to reduce smoking and melting?
Never trust a grown man in a flat-brimmed hat. ~Albert Einstein (if he lived long enough to see a grown man in a flat brimmed hat)
I always premtively burn all my greasy / oily rags. Never let your enemy choose the battle ground. But then again... I like fire.
I have seen first hand a sander filled with linseed oil sawdust burn. It did not conflagrate but it produced enough heat to burn through the 3/4 hardwood 3/4 subfloor and was found sitting on the drywall of the first floor ceiling.
Wow, that's freaking scary. Someone got very lucky it didn't ignite anything.
He's the Trevor Jacob of shop safety.
🤓 umm sir. I believe you will find 10:40 pm is indeed after midnight, of the previous day.
My question is, why is this guy starting fires in plastic garbage cans?
He sat there and stared at those rags for over 11 hours, mic fully charged the whole time, and got THREE fires (each on a different scenario). The last one he was watching Seinfeld and still got to the fire within a few seconds. Also, watching Seinfeld with a hot mic? Seems likely.
Hey he just so happened to be watching 'high SEO keyword' what's so suspicious about that?
And his coat on for the Seinfeld fire
I knew it was BS because no one actually watches sienfeld
Now I’m going be agnostic on the verdict for the time being but he does mention it’s cold in his shop so it’s not surprising he’s wearing the jacket when sitting around waiting and taking it off for composed shots.
@@EvanSamuels Then again, he doesn't have the jacket on while he's in the shop the whole time, just the times he needed to take the fire outside.
"Oh my gosh! I can't believe I lied! Good thing I caught it all on tape for the insurance!" Ehh.. "I don't waste alot of time online, but when I do; I make shit up." - Jebus
I'm a farmer, and I service my own stuff. I've had a few fires in the shop and not one was spontaneous, lol.
You are 100% incorrect, I am a health and safety professional with decades of experience including managing safety for woodworking facilities. Certain types of solvents, including Linseed Oil can absolutely spontaneously combust. This is a well-known fact and if you review the SDS sheets for such solvents you will find out just how wrong you are.
Typical clip board warrior; doesn't fucking listen. It can happen, but in this particular case it's fraud.
Smokes first. I’ve seen it. Worked in a shop that used linseed oil and it will catch fire, but it always is a slow process, and the friggen smoke lets you know. And Seinfeld should be banned. 😊
Please do more of these investigations. Love seeing what kind of lives these absolute posers live
With millennial posers, it’s almost always “terrifying”.
Click bait getting viewers to watch.
There isn't enough evidence here to claim fraud.
Spontaneous combustion only occurs on the top where the oil has access to air. You have to hit the sweet spot of enough access to air that the rag heats up but enough insulation that it retains it's heat.
Oil when it's ignited this way doesn't smoke much. It's only when the rest of the can catches that excess smoke starts.
Taking a second to put on a jacket is also not evidence of anything. Not taking the time to jacket first when he plans to use the extinguisher inside also makes sense.
The worst evidence he's got is the guy is wearing a microphone. He's making a video. Of course he's wearing a microphone. So what if it's annoying to wear. That's what you do.
Its like the restoration videos, if you know what a rusty **insert item here** looks like that you found in a barn with the effects of animal droppings, water, or out in a field, or in the desert and what a item looks like when it has been soaked in bleach and vinegar water for a few weeks to get those glorious before shots...... So much of youtube is snake oil idiots.
@@kliether33 fortunately this video doesn't contest his woodworking skills. it does however contest his truth-telling skills.
Funny, I've seen fires happen before and well 100% of the time, if it does catch flame, it's from down under, within the betwixtness, where ALL THE HEAT IS TRAPPED!!!!
And there is lots of smoke before open flames erupt!
Absolutely!!
All the dude has to do to disprove any of the AvE is upload the whole undoctored videos of the 2 (count them, 2) camera angles...
Easy, right?
The shit eating grin on his face comes across as “duper’s delight”. But maybe my eyes are wonkey from all the smoke…and mirrors.
AvE, I do not believe I have ever commented on your videos before. I have watched you for many, many, years and truly appreciate everything you do. I still quote you sometimes and people look at me weird as if Home Depot isn't called the Homeless Deathspot. As I was going to bed, I pulled up whatever was your latest video and was met with this. I truly value what you create and because of that, if there is something "off" about a video, I want to say something.
I believe you are incorrect with this video. I will touch on the facts in a moment, but just logically speaking, I do not know what Jason at Bourbon Moth would have to gain to by faking this video. His sponsor, Squarespace, would gain nothing directly unless his hopes are just going viral. I doubt his sponsorship with them is based on CPM or view count, so his only income would be from those who signup with his link, and whatever amount they negotiated ahead of time. He does have a link to fireproof trashcan, which would be a conflict of interest for sure if that is an affiliate link, but I am unsure because he does not say it is. While he could lie, that is an easy thing to catch and get in trouble for.
Now, you might ask what standing ground I have to even comment. While I am also a woodworker, I run a video production company and have a VFX background, with a degree in multimedia film production and broadcast, so I do believe, for whatever it is worth, that I know what I am talking about.
I agree, I do not know why he said the video was after midnight. The clock and timestamp both clearly state otherwise. As for all of your other claims, they would be easy to disprove he uploaded the entire video uncut. Odds are, he has an editor for his videos so they were going to be cutting to the best shot for each "scene". As someone who has been an editor for many large channels on UA-cam, he has plenty of revenue to do so.
For pretty much all of the fires, you suggest that he used lighter fluid and a source of ignition for the fire, the catalyst for this thought seemingly being the lack of smoke. In many other videos, your included, it does seem that smoke is a key factor.
However, even at a 4K, UA-cam compression would struggle to show smoke on that wide shot unless it was thick. Grey smoke on grey concrete will be absolutely lost in compression. At the very start, before the fire, you can see the smoke rising because on the can behind it, you can watch at the grey changes colors slightly, indicated something is lightening the color. This is very very subtle but I am little taught to look for stuff like this.
As for the other camera and this supposed mic/jacket issue, it is clear he did some pickup shots for comedic relief. The shot in short sleeves at the start, where he is playing the flute and goofing around is shot during daytime. It is not lying to add that in as it does not change the point of the video in any way. But as he stated, he cuts on the heat in the video so it makes sense for him to take the jacket off for later in the video and putting it on when going outside or if the temp dropped lower than the shop could be heated to.
Also, what do you mean wireless mic connected to the camera? That is not how his audio is done at all. He is most likely recording directly to the recorder and syncing in post with the cameras scratch audio. His audio is far too good to be recorded directly to a cameras terrible preamps. So that means he has the lav connected and little pack sitting beside him. As someone who uses these daily, and places them on brides and grooms during weddings for 12 hours, typically after an hour they have forgotten it was even on and have left with them still on. I am not sure what equipment you use, but even a cheap Tascam DR-10L or Zoom F2 is so tiny you can stick it in a pocket.
I just don't understand this video? So many of the points you make are just off the cuff and weak. 6 and half hours with a hat and set of Blundstone boots on? What do you expect him to do, change between every shot? He is potentially playing with fire, of course he going to have on boots.
You complain the can isn't melting at 5:18? Well, check at 26:00 in his video and you can see what it takes for it to melt so that little fire isn't big enough yet.
You complain about other angles at 5:23, but just moments prior, you complained about the only other angle he could have cut to. He had a wide shot, action started, so he cut to the closer camera. That seems completely reasonable and something you will see in every piece of media on TV or movies. Wide, Medium, Tight, freshman in film school learn this.
Not only this, but you say at 5:27 "why isn't he cutting to the other angle, it was distinctly left out" but you literally showed the other angle in your video. I do not understand, he showed it? It was never left out.
You complain that he's "eating lunch" at 6:15 and get stuck on the mic issue. One, the first sentence of that shot he says he is eating "dinner" and the short sleeve shots prior to that, as I stated above, were recorded earlier in the day or after the cut the eat on, hence the no jacket. It seems like you watched sections of the video and cherry picked a narrative out of it.
AvE, overall I just do not understand this video. I hate hit pieces, I hate videos that just make claims with zero facts. I deal with that every day in my work and in politics. But this video just misses the mark. How would he fake this? I know you state lighter fluid and some source of ignition, but we would see that. Unless he had some wireless remote ignition, we would see him run into frame. If you are going the VFX idea, there is no chance. Too many reflections here that would give that away. I do not know Jason, but from what I have seen, I just don't think this is faked. In many of his other videos, he makes some major mistakes (like his treehouse build) that have to be corrected by the audience. To go from that, to pulling off a fake video on the dangers of linseed oil using VFX or some camera trickery to start a fire makes no sense. The reward is low for him and he gains nothing.
So if you read this, please know this comes from someone who really enjoys your work and identifies with many of morals you share. This just seems off the mark and lot's of accusations are levied without much backing behind them. Given the size of your channel, if Jason uploads a full, uncut version, it would tell the full story here.
I'm certain this is bullshit, so I'm pointing it out. It's such a waste because what would he have to gain? Very little. No smoke, pantomime, incongruities, swapping garbage cans, lighter fueled fire. But hey, you do you man. (Also a bit of inside baseball: there's a few guys who were privy to this, it's a small world.)
Hi Noah, thanks for the well thought out comment. In regards to AvE's comment on the bags and trash cans not melting. They are made of HDPE (high density polyethylene). The melting point for HDPE is 130 degrees Celsius. His point is that that melting point is lower that the temperature needed for spontaneous combustion, so you would expect to see the plastic melt *before* any fire starts.
I could not agree more with this. I've been watching for some time myself, but this is just a weird video... also all the goobers just agreeing to be liked or some shit. This has happened in my own shop before. I'm not sure if I'm missing the point or if there's some play on the word spontaneous that folks are trying to dig at, but the only thing I find incorrect or "off" to your point was the time stuff.. Not sure why citing the incorrect time on his buddy's video is some kind of conspiracy. The can is still on fire and it's still late at night? Bourbon's channel is a really lighthearted, enjoyable place. He's never come off scammy and in fact, my own brother actually did gun training with him and says he's a solid dude. I just find this whole vibe in this to be real "hater' feeling and off the mark. I've watched enough AvE videos to know he won't give a shit but I think I'm done here. This just feels all kinds of negativity in the community that none of us needs in these times. Dude's out here making a living doing what he loves and trying to make an informative piece... could he have been more scientific in his results reporting... likely, but no reason to go in on someone baselessly attacking them. Have you even watched his other videos?
Good day folks... stay safe and sane if ya can.
Spot on. I've been watching Bumblefuck for longer than Bourbon Moth, but of these two videos, it's funny, the one withOUT all the burning plastic trash bins somehow smells worse. AvE's video here was a very low-effort conclusion in search of evidence.
@@Ryan_Thompson Totally. It’s total horseshit and all the chemists that just happen to be in one place today is astounding. The center of mass of rags is where the heat is generated… It’s not a “fake news” video because heat drops off pretty quickly between where the combustion takes place and the outer area of the cans. While I cringe that he did this in plastic cans, all the armchair scientists are a damn joke. There’s nothing weird about this. When the one in my shop started it was in a plastic container as well and smaller than these buckets. If you’re so certain and have some mysterious people “privy” then it’s on you to prove shit. Coming out and talking shit about someone based on yer feelin in yer gut is a pretty crap thing to do to someone, especially when it’s part of their livelihood. If it gets proofed out that Jason is a sack of crap out here click baiting just for for the lulz then I’ll apologize, but this all just feels real skeezy.
40 years ago I got close to a fire, I spilled Lind seed and Japan dryer so I mopped it up with a pair of old Levi’s and after a half hour it started to smoke and became so hot it was hard to pick up. I threw the pants in the bath tub and flooded it with water. There was a lot of smoke since it almost filled my apartment. Don’t ask, it was a bad day.
The fact that he kept his radio mic on the outside of his t shirt and inside of his jacket tells me that he quickly turned it on and clipped it to his shirt whenever he needed to say something. And as somebody who will occasionally film reality TV productions, keeping a lav on somebody all day isn’t out of the ordinary. And then along those same production lines, it’s hard to see smoke on camera unless it’s backlit. You need contrast, especially on lower quality consumer grade cameras. I’m not saying that he didn’t lie to us, but I don’t think you necessarily disproved anything either.
This is just like when I spontaneously forget to let her know that I'm getting close.....
Love that this hipster “woodworker” finally got called out. The cringy carpenter.
The guy in the video follows the science. He made sure the experimental results matched the conclusion.
Just like high school chemistry!
Almost as believable as Scotty Kilmer, a Seafoam video, and an Amsoil rep combined.
Ok, some actual Amsoil is actually decent stuff...
I don't always set fire to my shop but when I do I damnedwell catch it on camera.
That very same thing happened in our welding shop. We've had our plastic garbage cans full of paper and oily rags catch on fire for no apparent reason. Only difference, there was smoke and i didnt have my jacket on for the -35 winter day. I'd like to blame god, but it was probably the guy next to the can grinding.
Should have had the apprentice catching the sparks
At my shop they used to have buckets of solvent laying around.. I don't remember the name, it's a 3 letter acronym and highly carcinogenic, and some guy caught one on fire while welding next to it.. he never bothered to check, guy got fired. Complacency is dangerous..
The spontaneous oil combustion thing only happens with drying oils. The lubricating oils don't heat up as they oxidize.
as a former wood floor re-finisher i can attest to things spontaneously combusting... but they always smoke and smolder first. ever play checkers? black smoke before red fire.
Bourbon Moth just posted Ave is a liar on his video. Ave , what say you ?
Lack of smoke is really the dead giveaway. That and the fire conveniently starting on the surface of the pile. A fire is much more likely to start in the middle where the rags are more densely packed together with nowhere for the heat to dissipate. This environment would also have less oxygen for the fire, which would cause it to smoulder for a bit prior to fully igniting. There would be plenty of smoke before there was visible fire. I concur with uncle bumblefuck. If you believe the original video is real, then you probably also believe the stripper really is in love with you.
He got the exact result of a hobby rocket motor in a pickup gas tank when hit from the side!
Pretty sure you can see a tiny bit of paper ash float out of the bin right when he panned over to the bin and you paused... a little bit of paper to ignight the accelerant gives just enough time to walk away and very little smoke.
I thought I saw something. I thought it was just a bit of smoke.
Fire Marshall needs to have a talk with this fire bug.
He put in ripped up magazine to "mimic" a shop trash can.
Yeah I saw the paper fly out as well.
Oh god, this Bourbon Moth dude put comments back on and put a nice little note of his own at the top. Calling AvE a liar as well as the rest of us, totally misrepresenting every point AvE and us made against the clearly faked video. This fellow's just trying to do doing damage control now trying to keep his sponsor.
You just don't know this dude. His whole life is a pantomime. So it follows that, well, this. Just as much as it follows that plastic gears wear faster; or modern tools will have a failure point built in; or that cold rolled steel will bend when it has a part of it removed. And to some degree you should know this, expect it. But then the real point is that so should a whole lot of other people who rather buy into the YT maker celebrity religion.
I didn't think it was lighter fluid, I thought it was alcohol, maybe bourbon. Also, when he pointed the non-contact thermometer at the plastic bag that ignited was the temp above the melting temp? I might rewatch that bit.
With highly volatile fuels, as they burn they also cool the surface they sit on via evaporative cooling. The IR thermometer will be showing the temperature based on emission from the flame while the substrate can be quite cool by comparison. I wouldn't recommend it but you can have burning fuel on bare skin under the right conditions without burning yourself.
Here's a pro tip on debunking: focus on the cold hard science. The incidental elements like his jacket and mic are what the defense would lean on because they can be explained (while the no smoke/no melting situation can't). I know you made this angry and spontaneously, but the focus on filmmaking aspects will allow them to muddy the waters if they ever respond. Anyway, love your stuff ❤
Yeah i was expecting way more science
agreed, yeah. the part of this that was by far the most relevant to me was the smoke thing; these things always smolder and smoke. but the jacket/mic stuff is definitely explainable in an innocent way and i bet if the guy ever responds he's going to emphasize that, rather than the smoking
I was a full time fire service fire investigator, as part of my research I attempted to recreate a spontaneous combustion of cotton rags with numerous non synthetic oils - we were unable to get a full combustion but did achieve some good heating and some discolouration. From our investigation into reports of spontaneous combustion many reports turn out to be incorrect or just repeating of claims made by others. I am fully aware of the science involved, however the conditions required for the "perfect storm" of a rag to burst in to flames is extremely hard to achieve - so to summarise - this gentleman is bullshitus maximus!
you still got any buddies in the fire investigation business? I'd be super interested in seeing them try to reproduce his experiment. If he got 3/18 to ignite, that's worth a retest.
@@root1657 I retired 4 years ago after 30 years service, most investigators wouldn't be interested in it I think as it is considered a minor ignition source. There are plenty of references to self heating and spontaneous combustion in the main FI reference books such as Kirks.
@@ThePonkster most may not be interested, but perhaps one could be. You were.....
@@root1657 I just liked blowing things up and setting fires😂 - I havn't any contacts in FI these days but your local team might be up for it
Linseed Oil + Tung Oil on shop towels in a wood shop trash can of god only knows what burnt up for me. Sure as heck looked more smoky though.
I appreciate the meat to potatoes ratio of your video compared to Thunder-rabbit and dAVE (of DaveCAD fame)'s numerous de-bunking vids. Only one solid look at that fellas beard is needed to fully indicate that he's making a doomed attempt to hide all manner of seedy facts however.
I'm starting to think that you don't trust this guy. Pay me no mind.....
Can confirm it will smoke like snoop doggie dogg. Happened when I was a kid in our basement garage and my mother had time to remove all of us, lock all pets in a room with water soaked rags under the door with no active flame. This was the late 90s and even the firefighter told us he had a pile of rags he would dispose of promptly.
If Burbonmoth has nothing to hide, then he should have no problem releasing the raw footage for download from both cameras of the entire experiment.
Too bad because this guy makes some fascinating furniture. His videos are often about showing off his 100s of thousands of dollars of Festering Stool equipment though.
I also got recommended this video, watched the first 10 seconds and immediately clicked off. It smelled so fake.
While it may all be debatable, my first issue with the whole thing is why would you do such an experiment inside the shop to begin with? That is dangerous af!
He claimed it was to recreate the conditions in the other guys shop.
Insurance companies, the people with the most financial skin in the game, and firefighters have exhaustively studied spontaneous combustion. Those interested can refer to their literature. The National Fire Protection Association have ample material.
The process includes self-heating (measurable by thermocouple in tests if anyone wants to play), thermal runaway and finally auto-ignition. The process would have affected the plastic bags before reaching ignition temperature which is several hundred degrees.
Stumbled on this video just like I stumbled onto his whenever it came out. Gotta say, I expected better from you AvE. I don't see any reason why he'd stage this. I don't recall seeing a video sponsor. I think he's got a patreon (and a business). I'm seeing lots of people in the comments saying its a real thing that's happened to them. And then I hear AvE asking about weird nit picky stuff like mics being annoying or him not using the camera angle where you wouldn't be able to see anything. Or you not liking the way he speaks/presents/narrates for a video. I think this guy might even be a fan of yours or at least know you because I could've sworn he's made an AvE reference at some point. Very curious to see his response. I don't doubt it'll provide a bunch of legitimate explanations:
Whats wrong with already having the mic on him? And if it wasn't, it would take a few seconds to latch onto belt, clip on coat, and turn on. He probably didn't feel the need to put a hundred different camera angles because why would anyone think hes faking it? Hes taking temperatures as it goes. He's using shop towels in his test (which aren't necessarily the same as shop rags) because that's what he uses in his shop to apply oils. He may be comfortable wearing a hat all the time. Perhaps the smoke isn't picked up on camera? The bag was melting.. He picked it up and it was melted. The others didn't reach the melting temperatures of that material you mentioned. Etc etc.
Anyway, very bizarre video you made here. Seems like starting pointless internet drama.
There's not an oil on planet earth that burns without moderate to heavy smoke; unless there's been an added oxidating substance. Even then, it's it's a stretch. Furthermore, even from a statistical point of view, spontaneous combustion is RARE! It requires very specific circumstances to happen. Having 3 spontaneous combustions happen in one sitting is damn near statically impossible. So, either we witnessed a scientific anomaly, or it was a sham.
@@jaredbrooker It's even more of a miracle than that, if you watch the whole video he claims that one of the three fires he sat outside REIGNITED after he sprayed it with a dry chemical fire extinguisher. He just shows them already engulfed in flames and the trash bin is now a melted pile of goo. So that's actually 4 fires in one day of filming, what luck eh?
@@spikerbrad23 out of 18 attempts to try to give it the conditions we are all warned not to do, so 3 seems low... also, in military firefighting we are specifically warned that dry chemical agent does not stop the conditions for a fire, and if the wind blew some of it off before the fuels were cooled off, then yes, there is a very specific and real possibility of reflash, that's why it all has to be flooded at the end of the video.
@@root1657 4 out of 18 seems low to you? That's a 22% success rate! That's not LOW, that's astronomically HIGH! Even if you stick with the 3 out of 18, that's a 16.6% success rate! That's insanely HIGH odds! Furthermore, you'd think at least one of those spontaneous combustions would produce heavy smoldering smoke, but they all ignited the EXACT same way. As I stated, either we witnessed a scientific and statistic anomaly, or this experiment was an absolute sham!
@@jaredbrooker how many times have you tried it?
He's all about the clickbait.