A long while back there was a bit of a tussle about dado stacks being too dangerous. Now they are added to the long list of things Brits can't own legally.
If it were me, and I were honest, I’d just upload the complete unedited video of both camera angles. And if I were dishonest, I’d find some reason that I couldn’t.
Hey, this sort of thing happens to honest and upstanding folks all the time. Just look at how frequently body cam/dash cam footage goes 'missing' from the safe and secure custody of those super-honest and upstanding folks who run around in blue costumes with badges, guns, and qualified immunity. History tells us that it's universally attributable to budgetary constraints, compounded by the completely innocuous gross negligence of an honest and heroic, humble, public servant. A mere "training issue," easily remedied from any future repeats, with a 40% larger department budget, and a weekend retreat 'training event' at some swanky resort hotel with an open bar, and a curiously high number of 'ladies of the evening' roaming about. Who're we to question it? I say we give this poor UA-camr the same benefit of the doubt. Allow him to 'investigate himself' and unilaterally clear himself of any wrongdoing; and then we can consider the matter closed. After all, who could argue against such a system as that, aside from bona fide freedom-hating terrorists?
You can certainly keep storing them together. However, you will need to begin storing your thumb on the igniter of a lighter somewhere away from all those other items. Spontaneous combustion and whatnot
Ok, for the extra points and feels, I'm willing to give up my oily rags and supply of over the counter linseed oil, but only for two weeks to flatten the curve. Then we'll all go back to normal.
I've really enjoyed it. AVE does some good investigation and reasoning that I sure as shit don't normally put behind watching a video. Kinda like having a FunkFVP short but in a long form and with factual information's. Gosh its good.
@@gadgetg9479 that’s almost as bad as the 💩 crap video you’re obviously trying to defend against do you have any idea what spontaneous means or combustion for that matter I think not learn something before you start babaling like an idiot 😂😊
I remember being a kid and feeling frustrated that none of the products I bought worked as well as they should. Now I know why. All the good chemicals were banned and I was using fisher price imitations.
Since 2014 in the EU, RIP paint strippers that actually strips paint 🥲. To be fair, the issue with those was not false news but people not reading the labels or more likely reading them but being desensitized and deading themselves by using the product in small non ventilated spaces.
You can buy it in the UK, you just have to make a declaration that you are an industrial user. It's a completely screwed up situation though. Nothing works as it should any longer
Honestly for a toxic, ozone-depleating chlorinated solvent I'm shocked it remained OTC and readily available for as long as it did. The real shame with the ban though is that it doesn't apply to industrial users - and these users are where the majority of the deaths occur from.
I was on the fence, mostly because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock. But your recent contributions have swayed me back into the fold. Keep doing you, my maple backed brother!
I was o. The fence because I've done this experiment and could never get it to work even slightly. It never occurred to me to use different types of rags.
I've got a 3D printer. I could print up a bunch of F's for you as long as you don't mind the plastic variety. (Hmmm... maybe I should design up a cute little F's maker/challenge coin...) 🤣
@@Sembazuru Put them in the give/take-a-penny trays at stores and whatnot. Just don't make them a color that someone could argue that it's made to look like a real money, without getting laughed at.
@@SpankyK I know a dude who does it all the time, to satisfy his pyro urges without getting into trouble. He figures the man is gonna make it illegal soon, so he keeps it all on an external USB burner drive.
If that stuff had self ignited as claimed, you'd smell and feel it way before ignition. Nile Red has done some experiments with acrolein and I don't think he was overly fond of the stuff.
Considering Nigel once said that the worst stinking chemical created by humans was "not that bad", I'd say that if he says something's bad on the nose and lungs, it's fucking horrific.
6:46 Something I am just now noticing, is the bag that ignites is also the only one that has the rags exposed. It would be hard to light the briquette and then close the bag in time to catch the baby flame on camera before the whole bag went up.
Acrolien... ahhh so thats what it was that set my lungs on fire when I walked into my shop 25 yrs ago when it was filled with smoke from the oily rags that were smoldering away in the trash can, its a smell I will never forget and will easily recognize if ever exposed to it again...
AvE is some kind of Bullshitfinder in Chief . Burn the all false tubers ....jeez ......and we wuz just making cured fish the other week , how time flies .
If we haven't, during the last three years, learned the problem with failing to call out obvious lies vigorously, I don't know if we ever will. But it's a good principle that needs a reminder sometimes.
Good work on this one. If anyone is really paranoid about oily rags going up in flames, just vacuum seal them when you're finished with them. Remove the oxygen and they's no chance of rapid oxidation. I use my food vacuum sealer. In a pinch, I'll just toss my rags in a ziplock bag and purge as much air as possible before sealing. While I know it's probably not necessary it does give me the peace of mind of knowing I won't wake up to a fire after a night of working in the shop.
I wonder if you could make a big bucket / receptacle with a one-way valve that you could shove your shop vac hose into and suck the air out that way? Just toss the rags in, run the vacuum for a minute, and clean it up in the morning!
I throw mine in the ground away from anything flammable. So if they do ignite they don't ignite anything else. Also don't have them in big piles, any heat will easily dissipate
I also agree with Dan. Who cares about his looks and the name calling we can do without it. He was polite and never said shit about your demonstration but proved that it is possible if you are a moron it is possible. I still see no reason why to not believe dans findings. And yes it does seem like an extreme situation but it’s 100% possible! That other dude though… wow! Lol keep it up mr ave!
I've used neigh on an IBC worth of boiled linseed oil and other "spontaneously combusting" wood finishes in my time as a professional dust maker. A mixture of carnauba wax, turpentine, and BLO comes to mind. Smells great while you're working with it, it's waterproof, it doesn't fade under UV rather it develops patina. Great stuff. Just one very simple thing to remember. At the end of the day, when the dust starts to settle, you put those rags on a laundry rack outside. I've seen rag buckets catch fire seemingly out of nowhere, but never with just BLO rags in them. There was always a mixture of oily rags in there so add things like turpentine, and thinner to the mix. And depending on whether someone had say rip sawed a taxus or some Nordic pine there might be rags in there that were soaked in isopropyl alcohol. It's that mix of all kinds of things that exothermically polymerise and things that have low boiling and autoignition temperatures that makes it interesting. Also it's like a stove, you have to keep feeding a rag bucket for quite a while for it to actually build up enough heat, at which point you need to add something more inflammable than BLO. Something like say, turps or IPA.
We had a local politician go to a Tractor Supply and buy about $1500 worth of T-posts to put his election signage on. After he lost the election he tried to return them.
Those briquettes are amazing. Every time I’ve wanted to spontaneously start a campfire or barbecue they’ve never let me down. But I’m a spontaneous kinda guy. Excerpt when it comes to buying receptacles. Then I do my research.
Lived in the same town as Biz Markie for a while. He'd come into the mall and walk around with his 3 or 4 buddies. Sold them some South Park dolls out of Spencer's one time. #RIP Biz
i like how AvE started as a sceptic of auto-ignition and then proceeded to gas himself out of the shop to conclude that his mistrust was misplaced. Sceptic of the schiller, not of auto-ignition.
The chemical putridity AvE experienced in his test made me think back to the initial video and I was thinking busted, there's no way you wouldn't have noticed and mentioned that, I mean I know it's obviously faked but the point is you only can fake what you expect to happen and this guy had no idea about the toxicity so he doesn't mention it.
I once barely avoided a serious fire with linseed oil soaked paper towels. The smouldering smell coming out of that trash can was the most notable part. My entire garage was full of smoke and it was just a few rags in a 5 gallon bucket. I'll never forget the smell either. Very distinct and very toxic smelling.
Once again I'll state the obvious, anyone trying to start multiple fires in an insured building in plastic cans needs an insurance adjuster visit and recalculation
Little trick for getting the perfect/easiest frames that you need on UA-cam (on computer): Pause video, press . to scan forward and , to scan backwards frame-by-frame.
Another "Treat Especialle"! Good attention to detail on pointing out the "extra constituents" on the floor. I also now noticed how all the plastic garbage can brand labels were all perfectly facing the camera.
Also, when I saw the big red "Busted" on the thumbnail I thought it was going to be a Thunderfoot video... he makes some awesome videos mind you and seeing yours has managed to put me into a state of unbalanced preference. You have reached a level of "busting" equal to or maybe even higher than TFs incredible capacities... you rock dude!!
Yo Ave! Been a subscriber for years now. I’m a leadworker from the uk, I use linseed oil soaked rags all day every day. In my 18 years of leadworking I’ve witnessed this phenomenon at least 3 times. Always happened on really hot days When the rags were left old used and wet in the mid summer sun 😂 Pretty sure this old toy did a vijeo on the subject too. Mucho luvo Callum
Box of stain soaked rags in a cardboard box, in a dumpster, in the summer, in Texas. Also I suspect that the rags being soaked, then used until dry over and over may have something to do with it.
You are 100% correct, there is always smoke before flames, as anyone who has lit a fire in a fireplace, woodstove would know..Forget to open the damper and see what happens....Good call on this guy...👍👍👍
I’ll add another option, for those who don’t want to think he just wanted to sell metal garbage cans. He had a friends shop burn down. Subconsciously or consciously he will do whatever he can to make that not be a result of negligence or malicious actions.
I've lit more fires than most people have had hot dinners. I love that moment where the gasses and smoke get to a point where you can almost predict combustion to the second. Aint no fire without smoke. I've left a bunch of linseed rags in direct sunlight (after I taught myself French polishing) and I've never been so disappointed.
And, in this case it lead to a good discovery when someone else tries to replicate it. I always heard it was just linseed and other nut oil rags, so it never happened to me despite actually trying to make it happen. This video series taught me I was using the wrong rags. Apparently paper towels don't work as well. Now there's a debate on why one would use paper towels or cotton rags, but in my experience it comes down to cost and versatility. Tangent aside, I would try this again with new knowledge, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.
In the early 80's I worked Civilian/DOD QA Liason on the B-1, strategic coatings, through several different configurations of craft and formulations of "paint". (This is when painters used to clean their hands, arms, even cheeks and ears with Xylol to remove the paint overspray before going home... OSHA who?) Early on, we had spontaneous combustion of the used paint filters, from the spray booth, spontaneously combusting. We'd pull the used booth filters after shift, and stuff them in the "empty as you can get with a hydraulic paint pump" 55 gallon metal drums, and set them out on the loading dock for hazmat disposal. Well, damit man, they kept catching on fire overnight. We ended up having to fill ea barrel with water after stuffing with used filters. As a conscientious adult, I wonder that the water ended up in an aquifer somewhere. 40 odd years later, thousands of oily rags in trash later, not one fire in my shop. I will say; however, I regard and treat waxes, paints, solvents, and epoxies with due disposal respect. I did leave a greasy rag in my pocket "once", and due to barely surviving the Mrs's full on assault over the residue in "her" washing machine tub, for personal safety and self preservation, I now secretly add Goop to her washing detergent.
Military installations tend to be toxic waste dumps. A friend of a friend bought an old abandoned cold war radar station cause he thought it was awesome. Then you find out that the groundwater is completely unusable for over 2 miles surrounding the place. There's a lake about a mile down the hill that's completely devoid of animal life. An extremely toxic deicer was used for decades on the radar equipment that completely poisoned the ground. then mix in everything was painted with lead paint and has been unmaintained for years. So all that lead paint got rained into the ground. He bought a nightmare.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I really hope you find a protege editor worthy of your humor and your message. Always felt like your mind was a light in the dark!
I been pretty skeptical of your accusations on this one, but the toxic gas production is a pretty strong point. I thought it was weird af that anyone would use plastic trashcans, especially since the metal ones are cheaper, but most the wood workers on youtube are artsy fartsy weirdos, so it's kinda something they would do.
Just learning about the toxic off gas was well worth the price of admission just once I'd love AvE to finish the vidjayo with --- "and ever since I've been the CHAMP!"
I believe it's pronounced acro-leen. And in its pure firm is a nasty molecule. At a facility I used to work at we had spontaneous fires a couple of times a month. The storage tanks were buried, as well as pointed (angled under groundl) up and out of the facility into the gulf o mehico in the event they ever decided to no longer reside there by way of half-assed rocketry
maybe you just don't have an eye for packaging, that's fine. the "white gas" can is actually Linsheen Boiled Linseed Oil, which absolutely makes sense in a woodshop. Looks nothing like your image of Coleman Camp Fuel. Wrong is wrong, even for you.
@@arduinoversusevil2025I'm telling ya. I've seen tack cloth and stain start shop fires. Smokes like the dickins before but it will. it's not a happy mixture.
This is beginning to be the equivalent of that amazing youtuber who suffered an engine out and jumped out of his plane - and then the plane crashed. By an extreme stroke of luck, this magically happened on the one day he decided to wear a parachute and even luckier for us, he managed to film it all! And we was so worried about the potential enviromental damage from the wrecked planed, that he had it all removed before the authorities had a chance to investigate the crash site. What a stand up dude. I just love UA-camrs with such dedication not only to truth, knowledge and entertainment but also to their sponsors. The sponsors must surely love them, too.
In 15 years of woodworking/wood lathe I have never had an issue, I have always draped used rags (one layer thick) over the edge of a metal bin (trash cash) to dry. I suspect that most modern finishing oils are actually formulated to actually minimise fire risk and poisoning the user. I would suggest a special bin (or trash can) is of no help anyhow, get into the habit of drying used rags to stop any issue in the first place.
"truth is a lion and there's no need to defend the truth, you let it loose and it will defend itself" truth is indeed in short supply nowadays and sadly, also in short demand
I appreciate what you've done here. I just picked up on something and wanted to add; at 13:30 as he adds pages, you can clearly see the can's manufacture sticker on straight, and then at 14:08, well, now it's on cattywampus.
I work at a golf course as a mechanic and we have a safety company come in and give us one safety meeting a year called club safe. I was forced to buy one of those safety cans (i don't use the bloody thing) simply because as part of the safety meeting she goes into how oily rags spontaneously combust. I told her that the oxidation rate on modern motor oils basically makes that a modern day myth based on old facts. Like when they used things like seed based oils in engines. Now i don't generally use boiled linseed oil, teak oil, or whatever in my day to day with the repairing of equipment. How about i just not weld, grind or torch something next to the trashcan?
That bit from St. Augustine about the truth being a lion is a good one. He’s also responsible for my all-time favorite prayer: “Lord, give me chastity and continence, but not yet!”
In my experience, lacquer thinner evaporates too quickly to do mischief. But I always use it in well ventilated spaces. In a well-insulated garage or basement, I could imagine a light switch eliciting a thermobaric response...
My 66 VW van, became a portable wheeled barbecue. When I tried the gas heater. After putting it out with a bucket of snow. The fire underneath, melted the home job starter wires together. Did it hop hop hop, to the box of perforation charges, or the plywood wall? To be 18 again, and in the shop alone. Having finished my work early. The good old days.
Back when I was a firefighter we responded to a pharmacy in town where a liter glass bottle of phenol fell off a shelf and broke on the floor. It cleared the building in one quick hurry and between 10 and 20 customers and employees went up to the hospital with symptoms as you describe. We needed to be on SCBA air in order to contain it. You are totally right that with linseed oil, the smoke and stench precedes the flame. My grandfathers metal oily rags can is in regular use at my house for all finishing rags. I worry also about some of the cooking oils that are becoming popular. Continue good experiments but dont breathe thst crap.
Im pretty certain Dan is right on the money, re-creating almost burning down his garage. And i know after watching many live streams, he doesent drink or partake in any mind altering substances. Hes a pretty sincere dude. Aka hot rod Jesus. And him repeating how bad the smoke was. Calling out the faker,good on ya! He’d be dead if he wasnt faking the whole thing,btw.
I've been watching your videos for a while now and I love them. I saw this video a while back and also thought the spontaneous combustion was BS. I sanded and oiled a shovel handle last night and threw the paper towels in a canvas bucket in the bed of my truck. Today while I was at work, at about 4PM, the wife calls me, frantic, and tells me the truck is on fire. The fire originated from that bucket. Once I told the fire marshal about the oily towels he believed that to be the cause. Unless someone lit the bucket on fire while I was gone I have no other explanation. I believe this may be an actual hazard to people. Thanks for the videos keep it up.
The part about misinformed lawmakers regulating linseed oil scares me...never forget what they did to our gas cans.
I personally love my new gas cans that cause me to spill way more gasoline in one use than five years of using the old style.
Don't wanna be that guy, but your Jerry cans, not ours as of yet, stay strong brother 🇨🇦🇺🇸
@@TheMrrappel son of a... You better hope Trudeau doesn't hear about this.
@@jozak78 LMFAO!
@@RustyorBroken LOL
this is the most drama the woodworking community has had since one of them said a certain miter gauge sucks
Oh man.... Please don't start THAT thread up again.
A long while back there was a bit of a tussle about dado stacks being too dangerous. Now they are added to the long list of things Brits can't own legally.
I thought they realised they were using metric degrees.
Don't forget the Mathias vs John "pocket holes" saga (I actually loved that :) )
@@Corvid- I'm surprised the UK still allows kitchen cutlery TBH.
If it were me, and I were honest, I’d just upload the complete unedited video of both camera angles. And if I were dishonest, I’d find some reason that I couldn’t.
Low level staffer walked off with the footage
Hey, this sort of thing happens to honest and upstanding folks all the time.
Just look at how frequently body cam/dash cam footage goes 'missing' from the safe and secure custody of those super-honest and upstanding folks who run around in blue costumes with badges, guns, and qualified immunity.
History tells us that it's universally attributable to budgetary constraints, compounded by the completely innocuous gross negligence of an honest and heroic, humble, public servant. A mere "training issue," easily remedied from any future repeats, with a 40% larger department budget, and a weekend retreat 'training event' at some swanky resort hotel with an open bar, and a curiously high number of 'ladies of the evening' roaming about.
Who're we to question it?
I say we give this poor UA-camr the same benefit of the doubt. Allow him to 'investigate himself' and unilaterally clear himself of any wrongdoing; and then we can consider the matter closed.
After all, who could argue against such a system as that, aside from bona fide freedom-hating terrorists?
@@trozz7660 it spontaneously combusted i suspect
The footage was corrupted and the security guards were asleep and the garbage cans had been on suicide watch anyway.
The comment section on his bs video has been reopened. Go over there and ask him where the footage went.
Thank you AvE. I will not be storing my fire starting bricks with my used linseed oil rags anymore
This comment…legendary!
Wimp. 😜
Don't forget to store your matches in the same bin
So I guess nesting my gas cans in a bed of used linseed oil rags wasn't a good idea.
You can certainly keep storing them together. However, you will need to begin storing your thumb on the igniter of a lighter somewhere away from all those other items. Spontaneous combustion and whatnot
Should have put an affiliate link to the fire starters on this video.
Genius
Well done sir 😂
....and for them Cute Brute bins! I didn't know they came that small (that's what she said)
Ok, for the extra points and feels, I'm willing to give up my oily rags and supply of over the counter linseed oil, but only for two weeks to flatten the curve. Then we'll all go back to normal.
This series is the gift that keeps on giving.
I've really enjoyed it.
AVE does some good investigation and reasoning that I sure as shit don't normally put behind watching a video. Kinda like having a FunkFVP short but in a long form and with factual information's. Gosh its good.
The grift that keeps on giving even.
No doubt!
If we all through a few $ in we can pay for ave to go see a doc and there might’ve be a chance he will take his meds again.
@@gadgetg9479 that’s almost as bad as the 💩 crap video you’re obviously trying to defend against do you have any idea what spontaneous means or combustion for that matter I think not learn something before you start babaling like an idiot 😂😊
like they outlawed methylene chloride paint stripper. cant buy the jeezless thing anywhere.
I knew a stripper named methylene once.
I remember being a kid and feeling frustrated that none of the products I bought worked as well as they should. Now I know why. All the good chemicals were banned and I was using fisher price imitations.
Since 2014 in the EU, RIP paint strippers that actually strips paint 🥲.
To be fair, the issue with those was not false news but people not reading the labels or more likely reading them but being desensitized and deading themselves by using the product in small non ventilated spaces.
You can buy it in the UK, you just have to make a declaration that you are an industrial user. It's a completely screwed up situation though. Nothing works as it should any longer
Honestly for a toxic, ozone-depleating chlorinated solvent I'm shocked it remained OTC and readily available for as long as it did. The real shame with the ban though is that it doesn't apply to industrial users - and these users are where the majority of the deaths occur from.
I was on the fence, mostly because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock. But your recent contributions have swayed me back into the fold. Keep doing you, my maple backed brother!
I was o. The fence because I've done this experiment and could never get it to work even slightly. It never occurred to me to use different types of rags.
"because of the lack of F’s that I have in stock" 🤣🤣 stealing this
I've got a 3D printer. I could print up a bunch of F's for you as long as you don't mind the plastic variety. (Hmmm... maybe I should design up a cute little F's maker/challenge coin...) 🤣
@@Sembazuru Put them in the give/take-a-penny trays at stores and whatnot. Just don't make them a color that someone could argue that it's made to look like a real money, without getting laughed at.
@@Sembazuru can it print HDPE?
Reminds me of that time NBC used incendiaries to show that Chevy truck gas tank exploding during a side impact demonstration in the early 90s.
Surely he could just release the 10 minutes of footage preceding the "spontaneous" combustion to evidence a lack of foul play?
Or just release the whole 8 hours of footage unedited.
How can u trust at this point with cgi capabilities
@@DrewsReviews07 lolz😂 CGI
@@DrewsReviews07can you make cgi linseed oil fires?
@@SpankyK I know a dude who does it all the time, to satisfy his pyro urges without getting into trouble. He figures the man is gonna make it illegal soon, so he keeps it all on an external USB burner drive.
If that stuff had self ignited as claimed, you'd smell and feel it way before ignition. Nile Red has done some experiments with acrolein and I don't think he was overly fond of the stuff.
And that boy could drain a septic tank and IMMEDIATELY move in without complaining of the smell..
@@mattfleming86 he does love his smelly fuming chemicals...
And nile isn't phased by much smell wise, as in barely even the slightest
@@mattfleming86 Weird question, Matt, but where you from? We might be related.
Considering Nigel once said that the worst stinking chemical created by humans was "not that bad", I'd say that if he says something's bad on the nose and lungs, it's fucking horrific.
I’ve heard of flame wars but this is ridiculous
And the moral of the story is- Never heed the advice of a man with a tidy shop, you just can't trust them.
I mean if you're going to fake something, don't leave the thing you're faking with in the video. 😆
6:46 Something I am just now noticing, is the bag that ignites is also the only one that has the rags exposed. It would be hard to light the briquette and then close the bag in time to catch the baby flame on camera before the whole bag went up.
Wouldn't that also be the one with the greatest oxygen supply and thus the one of the three bags most likely to go up first in an honest experiment?
Acrolien... ahhh so thats what it was that set my lungs on fire when I walked into my shop 25 yrs ago when it was filled with smoke from the oily rags that were smoldering away in the trash can, its a smell I will never forget and will easily recognize if ever exposed to it again...
"I love the smell of brake cleaner in the morning."
It is real, but what that hoser did is criminal!
AvE is some kind of Bullshitfinder in Chief . Burn the all false tubers ....jeez ......and we wuz just making cured fish the other week , how time flies .
@@billlewis9740 of course the red can
Were you watching an episode of Seinfeld when you walked into the shop?
If we haven't, during the last three years, learned the problem with failing to call out obvious lies vigorously, I don't know if we ever will. But it's a good principle that needs a reminder sometimes.
Best youtube channel no click bait garbage just straight Honesty and morals
Whoa whoa whoa don't take a good waffle and chuckle for anything but good fun. That's what keeps the rent down.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 yeah, people might start expecting things and then where will you be?!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I hate honesty and morals.
@@lordchowder Politician?? 😊
If by "morals" you mean the kind that attract loose women, then yeah.....
imagine having the desire to lie to sell literal garbage receptacles
This shit is real it was even on the News ua-cam.com/video/9yq6VW-c2Ts/v-deo.html
Most UA-camrs have links to the things they use.
@@Goalsplus yeah, to make money there mr room temp IQ
almost... trashy
@@landrec2 10/10
Good work on this one. If anyone is really paranoid about oily rags going up in flames, just vacuum seal them when you're finished with them. Remove the oxygen and they's no chance of rapid oxidation. I use my food vacuum sealer. In a pinch, I'll just toss my rags in a ziplock bag and purge as much air as possible before sealing. While I know it's probably not necessary it does give me the peace of mind of knowing I won't wake up to a fire after a night of working in the shop.
Or like someone said before just stick them in a barrel of water
I just hang mine from a nail on the wall to off gas and dry out.
I wonder if you could make a big bucket / receptacle with a one-way valve that you could shove your shop vac hose into and suck the air out that way? Just toss the rags in, run the vacuum for a minute, and clean it up in the morning!
I throw mine in the ground away from anything flammable. So if they do ignite they don't ignite anything else. Also don't have them in big piles, any heat will easily dissipate
I also agree with Dan. Who cares about his looks and the name calling we can do without it. He was polite and never said shit about your demonstration but proved that it is possible if you are a moron it is possible. I still see no reason why to not believe dans findings. And yes it does seem like an extreme situation but it’s 100% possible! That other dude though… wow! Lol keep it up mr ave!
I've used neigh on an IBC worth of boiled linseed oil and other "spontaneously combusting" wood finishes in my time as a professional dust maker. A mixture of carnauba wax, turpentine, and BLO comes to mind. Smells great while you're working with it, it's waterproof, it doesn't fade under UV rather it develops patina. Great stuff.
Just one very simple thing to remember. At the end of the day, when the dust starts to settle, you put those rags on a laundry rack outside.
I've seen rag buckets catch fire seemingly out of nowhere, but never with just BLO rags in them. There was always a mixture of oily rags in there so add things like turpentine, and thinner to the mix. And depending on whether someone had say rip sawed a taxus or some Nordic pine there might be rags in there that were soaked in isopropyl alcohol.
It's that mix of all kinds of things that exothermically polymerise and things that have low boiling and autoignition temperatures that makes it interesting.
Also it's like a stove, you have to keep feeding a rag bucket for quite a while for it to actually build up enough heat, at which point you need to add something more inflammable than BLO. Something like say, turps or IPA.
He didn't number the garbage cans or even remove the stickers because they were all returned to the store.
plastic bin not the greatest for doing things with fire?
We had a local politician go to a Tractor Supply and buy about $1500 worth of T-posts to put his election signage on. After he lost the election he tried to return them.
Those briquettes are amazing. Every time I’ve wanted to spontaneously start a campfire or barbecue they’ve never let me down. But I’m a spontaneous kinda guy. Excerpt when it comes to buying receptacles. Then I do my research.
Lesson learned - I need some of those zip lighter briquettes.
this is what happens when people don't even understand how their own scam is supposed to work
I'd love a 'AvE vs BS' series in the name of Science.
The vs. is already in the name, as is the BS. "AvE = "Arduino vs. Evil"
AvB?
I still love that you always keep the *add text box when you've added text. It somehow gives me the warm fuzzies
I'm a recovering dullard. The eyes and ears are willing, but the gray matter is soft and spongy.
I am a man, I can change, if I have to.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I guess
I can't even buy lawn darts anymore smh
Time to buy a lathe and get making
Lived in the same town as Biz Markie for a while. He'd come into the mall and walk around with his 3 or 4 buddies. Sold them some South Park dolls out of Spencer's one time. #RIP Biz
When he sat down in front of the camera to play his “pocket flute” I had seen enough.
The lie is half way around the world before truth gets it’s boots on
Seems like we have a lot of that going on these days
Damn that is a fine quote!
The commentary about the Lion of Truth is spot on. I often tell people "I'm too dumb to lie." Keeping track of the truth is difficult enough.
Ah,hell!!!! Ya done gone dragged the greased pig into it!
i like how AvE started as a sceptic of auto-ignition and then proceeded to gas himself out of the shop to conclude that his mistrust was misplaced. Sceptic of the schiller, not of auto-ignition.
The chemical putridity AvE experienced in his test made me think back to the initial video and I was thinking busted, there's no way you wouldn't have noticed and mentioned that, I mean I know it's obviously faked but the point is you only can fake what you expect to happen and this guy had no idea about the toxicity so he doesn't mention it.
GREAT point
I once barely avoided a serious fire with linseed oil soaked paper towels. The smouldering smell coming out of that trash can was the most notable part. My entire garage was full of smoke and it was just a few rags in a 5 gallon bucket. I'll never forget the smell either. Very distinct and very toxic smelling.
Once again I'll state the obvious, anyone trying to start multiple fires in an insured building in plastic cans needs an insurance adjuster visit and recalculation
Visited by a man with no foreskin
Little trick for getting the perfect/easiest frames that you need on UA-cam (on computer): Pause video, press . to scan forward and , to scan backwards frame-by-frame.
Good tip!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 or just hit Shift+/ (for ?) while playing a video and it'll bring up the keyboard shortcut screen :)
Thanks random comment that's actually really helpful sometimes.
you have no idea how much I love seeing hacks getting called out for bullshit. You are the GOAT.
it also explains why the bag and barrels didn't totally melt those fire starters don't burn that hot.
Sure he hot boxed the linseed, he just didn't inhale.
"I did not have sexual relations with that greasy box."
Luckily I filter my linseed oil fumes through a filter cigarette, tastes better than tanalith filtered through a cigar.
Another "Treat Especialle"!
Good attention to detail on pointing out the "extra constituents" on the floor. I also now noticed how all the plastic garbage can brand labels were all perfectly facing the camera.
Yeah, now imagine a world where it's illegal to investigate whether something is a lie.
Also, when I saw the big red "Busted" on the thumbnail I thought it was going to be a Thunderfoot video... he makes some awesome videos mind you and seeing yours has managed to put me into a state of unbalanced preference. You have reached a level of "busting" equal to or maybe even higher than TFs incredible capacities... you rock dude!!
That's what I thought too lol
You know....TF could bust the chemical hell out of this...might be a fun colab
"proper f*cken dullards" He noticed me!!
ZIP Fire Starters needs to become the official sponsor of the channel now
Maybe it's because bourbonmoth is keeping his farts in, while uncle BF is constantly venting the secondary opinion hole. Put Randy Marsh on the case!
Never hold in a fart! That's where shitty ideas come from!
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I get my best ideas from the trash can.
No way in hell those peas just spontaneously grew out of those cups!
Yo Ave! Been a subscriber for years now. I’m a leadworker from the uk, I use linseed oil soaked rags all day every day.
In my 18 years of leadworking I’ve witnessed this phenomenon at least 3 times.
Always happened on really hot days When the rags were left old used and wet in the mid summer sun 😂
Pretty sure this old toy did a vijeo on the subject too.
Mucho luvo
Callum
Box of stain soaked rags in a cardboard box, in a dumpster, in the summer, in Texas. Also I suspect that the rags being soaked, then used until dry over and over may have something to do with it.
Why in the hell would the guy choose PLASTIC trash cans to use to test 🔥 FIRE 🔥? DERP!
I find spontaneous combustion is more consistent when I start the fire
You are 100% correct, there is always smoke before flames, as anyone who has lit a fire in a fireplace, woodstove would know..Forget to open the damper and see what happens....Good call on this guy...👍👍👍
I’ll add another option, for those who don’t want to think he just wanted to sell metal garbage cans.
He had a friends shop burn down. Subconsciously or consciously he will do whatever he can to make that not be a result of negligence or malicious actions.
I've lit more fires than most people have had hot dinners. I love that moment where the gasses and smoke get to a point where you can almost predict combustion to the second. Aint no fire without smoke.
I've left a bunch of linseed rags in direct sunlight (after I taught myself French polishing) and I've never been so disappointed.
The first 5 minutes reminds me of the time my doctor was describing my liver
Any guy in a flat billed hat and a perfectly shaped beard is uuuuusually a goof. That checks out with that guy lol.
i APPRECIATE ANYONE WHO CALLS THOSE ON THEIR BULLSHIT. We need more people like us, thank you.
Looks like a quack, ducks like a quack, shits like a duck, its definitely a goose.
Or something.
Every good fake science experiment starts with a dodgy camera angle.
And, in this case it lead to a good discovery when someone else tries to replicate it. I always heard it was just linseed and other nut oil rags, so it never happened to me despite actually trying to make it happen. This video series taught me I was using the wrong rags. Apparently paper towels don't work as well. Now there's a debate on why one would use paper towels or cotton rags, but in my experience it comes down to cost and versatility. Tangent aside, I would try this again with new knowledge, but I don't have that kind of time anymore.
But what brand fire lighters would you use? Maybe two different ones and a block of wax as a control? Double blind? 😁
In the early 80's I worked Civilian/DOD QA Liason on the B-1, strategic coatings, through several different configurations of craft and formulations of "paint". (This is when painters used to clean their hands, arms, even cheeks and ears with Xylol to remove the paint overspray before going home... OSHA who?) Early on, we had spontaneous combustion of the used paint filters, from the spray booth, spontaneously combusting. We'd pull the used booth filters after shift, and stuff them in the "empty as you can get with a hydraulic paint pump" 55 gallon metal drums, and set them out on the loading dock for hazmat disposal. Well, damit man, they kept catching on fire overnight. We ended up having to fill ea barrel with water after stuffing with used filters. As a conscientious adult, I wonder that the water ended up in an aquifer somewhere. 40 odd years later, thousands of oily rags in trash later, not one fire in my shop. I will say; however, I regard and treat waxes, paints, solvents, and epoxies with due disposal respect. I did leave a greasy rag in my pocket "once", and due to barely surviving the Mrs's full on assault over the residue in "her" washing machine tub, for personal safety and self preservation, I now secretly add Goop to her washing detergent.
Military installations tend to be toxic waste dumps. A friend of a friend bought an old abandoned cold war radar station cause he thought it was awesome. Then you find out that the groundwater is completely unusable for over 2 miles surrounding the place. There's a lake about a mile down the hill that's completely devoid of animal life. An extremely toxic deicer was used for decades on the radar equipment that completely poisoned the ground. then mix in everything was painted with lead paint and has been unmaintained for years. So all that lead paint got rained into the ground. He bought a nightmare.
AvE Your video editing skills are just amazing, in a world of those who are very capable I am glad we have you.
meh. I have my own esthetic. No need to geld Lily. But maybe I'll add a computer animated guitar riff and sparks and sugar skullz.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 whoah there, calm down a bit - a body can only take so much.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 I really hope you find a protege editor worthy of your humor and your message. Always felt like your mind was a light in the dark!
He’s drawin him in like a Moth to the Flame.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 sir that's copyrighted by ElectroBOOM because that's how giggles has determined it works.
I been pretty skeptical of your accusations on this one, but the toxic gas production is a pretty strong point.
I thought it was weird af that anyone would use plastic trashcans, especially since the metal ones are cheaper, but most the wood workers on youtube are artsy fartsy weirdos, so it's kinda something they would do.
It’s the way of the carbon foam gnawing wood elf.
Just learning about the toxic off gas was well worth the price of admission just once I'd love AvE to finish the vidjayo with --- "and ever since I've been the CHAMP!"
Hahaha I would love to hear that
I’ll probably never use Linseed oil or even store in my garage but I’m captivated by this series!
I've seen boiled linseed oil and mineral spirits mixed 2:1 in a cotton rag (left in the sun mind) start to combust.
I'll have to try that.
Works gooder on faded plastic. Never seen it even smoke in the small batch req'd for that. Rag flat hung dry in the shade.
I believe it's pronounced acro-leen.
And in its pure firm is a nasty molecule.
At a facility I used to work at we had spontaneous fires a couple of times a month.
The storage tanks were buried, as well as pointed (angled under groundl) up and out of the facility into the gulf o mehico in the event they ever decided to no longer reside there by way of half-assed rocketry
🤣🤣🤣🤣🔥🔥
wait, are the burn barrels made of plastic?
Intellectual dishonesty abound. Need to call spades, spades!
Thanks for keeping us slightly less stupid!
maybe you just don't have an eye for packaging, that's fine. the "white gas" can is actually Linsheen Boiled Linseed Oil, which absolutely makes sense in a woodshop. Looks nothing like your image of Coleman Camp Fuel. Wrong is wrong, even for you.
YES! Phreeeking Brainiacs I tells ya. I will add that to the erratta. Thank you!
@@arduinoversusevil2025I'm telling ya. I've seen tack cloth and stain start shop fires. Smokes like the dickins before but it will. it's not a happy mixture.
That was not fire starter on the ground not even the same color of package and the logo is not even close
Yeah the package of the fire starter on the ground didn't look like the one you showed. Unless they changed the logo. I dunno
@@nicholas4839I think it's a folded up Sun Chips bag, you can see it around 22:30 of the burbonmoth video. The S and U match the Sun Chips logo.
I just toss my oily rags in the shop wood stove. If they burn up in there, no biggie, and if they don’t, they make a good fire-starter for later.
Dewclaw wants his tablecloth..ahem...shirt back.
Speaks volumes that he doesn't try to defend himself...
This is beginning to be the equivalent of that amazing youtuber who suffered an engine out and jumped out of his plane - and then the plane crashed. By an extreme stroke of luck, this magically happened on the one day he decided to wear a parachute and even luckier for us, he managed to film it all! And we was so worried about the potential enviromental damage from the wrecked planed, that he had it all removed before the authorities had a chance to investigate the crash site. What a stand up dude.
I just love UA-camrs with such dedication not only to truth, knowledge and entertainment but also to their sponsors. The sponsors must surely love them, too.
As Norm MacDonalnd once said,
"Why, I have nothing to gain from this lie"¡
Great job AVE. I always enjoy your chats. May the force be with you.
The flash ignition of your young fella’s vidoe at 11:11 looks to me how materials light when heat builds for sure
It's allergy season and there's a lot of BS in the air. 🙏😂
Hahaha I appreciate the kind words even though I'm a total moron
Empty nightly . . . into what?
In 15 years of woodworking/wood lathe I have never had an issue, I have always draped used rags (one layer thick) over the edge of a metal bin (trash cash) to dry. I suspect that most modern finishing oils are actually formulated to actually minimise fire risk and poisoning the user. I would suggest a special bin (or trash can) is of no help anyhow, get into the habit of drying used rags to stop any issue in the first place.
I love this series!
"truth is a lion and there's no need to defend the truth, you let it loose and it will defend itself" truth is indeed in short supply nowadays and sadly, also in short demand
More like "liar! liar! rags ain't on fire!"
Thank you and corrected.
Nice Thunderf00t homage with the thumbnail
I pronounce it “Ah-Crow-Lean” . We inject this into wells and separators to kill bio stuff…
I appreciate what you've done here. I just picked up on something and wanted to add; at 13:30 as he adds pages, you can clearly see the can's manufacture sticker on straight, and then at 14:08, well, now it's on cattywampus.
I work at a golf course as a mechanic and we have a safety company come in and give us one safety meeting a year called club safe. I was forced to buy one of those safety cans (i don't use the bloody thing) simply because as part of the safety meeting she goes into how oily rags spontaneously combust. I told her that the oxidation rate on modern motor oils basically makes that a modern day myth based on old facts. Like when they used things like seed based oils in engines. Now i don't generally use boiled linseed oil, teak oil, or whatever in my day to day with the repairing of equipment. How about i just not weld, grind or torch something next to the trashcan?
Welding and rags too close, been there, done that, and not fun.
That bit from St. Augustine about the truth being a lion is a good one. He’s also responsible for my all-time favorite prayer:
“Lord, give me chastity and continence, but not yet!”
Deck stain is the only time I've ever worried about it. Even using lacquer thinner I have not worried.
In my experience, lacquer thinner evaporates too quickly to do mischief. But I always use it in well ventilated spaces. In a well-insulated garage or basement, I could imagine a light switch eliciting a thermobaric response...
My 66 VW van, became a portable wheeled barbecue. When I tried the gas heater. After putting it out with a bucket of snow. The fire underneath, melted the home job starter wires together.
Did it hop hop hop, to the box of perforation charges, or the plywood wall?
To be 18 again, and in the shop alone. Having finished my work early.
The good old days.
Back when I was a firefighter we responded to a pharmacy in town where a liter glass bottle of phenol fell off a shelf and broke on the floor. It cleared the building in one quick hurry and between 10 and 20 customers and employees went up to the hospital with symptoms as you describe. We needed to be on SCBA air in order to contain it. You are totally right that with linseed oil, the smoke and stench precedes the flame. My grandfathers metal oily rags can is in regular use at my house for all finishing rags. I worry also about some of the cooking oils that are becoming popular. Continue good experiments but dont breathe thst crap.
Shades of Epictetus' lamp, brother.
I had to look it up. Indeed.
Im pretty certain Dan is right on the money, re-creating almost burning down his garage. And i know after watching many live streams, he doesent drink or partake in any mind altering substances. Hes a pretty sincere dude. Aka hot rod Jesus.
And him repeating how bad the smoke was.
Calling out the faker,good on ya! He’d be dead if he wasnt faking the whole thing,btw.
Yes Hot Rod Jesus!
I've been watching your videos for a while now and I love them. I saw this video a while back and also thought the spontaneous combustion was BS. I sanded and oiled a shovel handle last night and threw the paper towels in a canvas bucket in the bed of my truck. Today while I was at work, at about 4PM, the wife calls me, frantic, and tells me the truck is on fire. The fire originated from that bucket. Once I told the fire marshal about the oily towels he believed that to be the cause. Unless someone lit the bucket on fire while I was gone I have no other explanation. I believe this may be an actual hazard to people. Thanks for the videos keep it up.
How do we know if we're in the brainiac or dullard group? I'm confused.
A mere millisecond of self-reflection tells the tale Rusty.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 a wise man is defined by his understanding that the more you know the less you know.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 also Dunning-Kruger
No matter what your side is, this is the best oily rag fight on UA-cam.
just FYI - I am one of the handsome brainiacs he was talking about.