Thanks for looking the thing over. I was just blown away that, while this happened and yes I got duped into buying the shiny thing with the stupid new features, I got sent in 4 different directions on how to get the thing replaced. Between Telus, Samsung, the Insurance Company and the shop I bought it at, none of them wanted to help me. They all tried to pass the buck. At the end Telus said they would exchange it for something else. I'm hoping to get my hands on a Nokia 3310 No more bells or whistles for this guy.
Thank you for spelling it! I come here to learn and have gained much, but how can I correspond with other people and not look like an idiot when I don't know how to spell the names of the essential forces in nature?
The doioioing effect is why you never dryfire a bow without an arrow. I think if the spaghetti would snap right in the middle it wouldn't break the second time.
Now the time has come (Time) There's no place to run (Time) I might get burned up by the sun (Time) But I had my fun (Time) I've been loved and put aside (Time) I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time) And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
time is a thing we need to plan our lives and know how much time have elapsed. So to be able to live. Time a human construct, same as money or currency is a human construct. It exist for a reason, it it didnt have any reason to exist we wouldnt have it or invent it.
Small correction, the caesium clocks do not involve radioactivity, but microwaves, it is the frequency of the photon that matches the energy difference between two states of the atom.
8:20 While one could use radioactive cesium decay to measure time, cesium 133, the isotope commonly used to set my watch, is not radioactive. It's the hyperfine transition frequency that's used as a time standard. I do not want a folding phone. I want a phone that will survive a good toss across the lab.
But alas, these methods aren’t measuring time, rather time is a measurement or representation of the rate of change. Interestingly, even with a standard for measurement, perception can vary greatly between people. Just ask 100 people to demonstrate with their hands how big 6 inches is.
@@deaconblooze1 my last two Kyocera Duraforce phones survived multiple 6ft drops/flings to the ground from my lap in a truck seat onto gravel. No auxiliary protective cases or lens covers. The screens are exceptional. The camera lens covers are fragile.
I filed an insurance claim on my old Motorola One 5g, and they offered me the Razr 2023 as a replacement. Within 3 weeks, the screen starting glitching and strobing out. They sent another replacement and 2 weeks later the same thing happened! There's magnets on each corner to help it stay shut, but they also gather tiny metal chips and particles from my work (cnc operator), which when you close the phone, puncture the screen and break it.
@0326Hambone I'll go you one better. Back in 98 - 00 I worked in a small aerospace firm making parts for c5, c130, and later yf22 parts. Had one of those Tracfone bar phones. Worked at grinding/ deburr table and some how gnat sized shavings of debris would work their way under the battery, in a sealed battery compartment with no openings. And do so without leaving ANY shavings in my pocket. It was if as they teleported inside the phone! Never did figure out how it could be.😮
They will do that. Also scratch the f out of your glasses if you wipe them. I use air duster w.e possible then wipe. Not perfect but I don't have to get new lenses as often.
with a ph like that,, you smell nice & do fk all.. fact.. i dont care if it dances.. i just want a fkn ph.. cant even buy a pie,, a plain pie for fk sake.. or coffee,, 60 zillian brands, types,, i want a fkn coffee.. kill me now...
The layer directly under the screen protector is the capacitive touch sensor layer. It probably WAS the screen protector that killed it. Either chemically or with that tiny amount of extra leverage on the bend on closing.
On the z flip 5, Samsung applies a screen protector, and says it is not removable. They do advertise 1 free replacement (of the protector, not the screen) if it becomes damaged. I had the 4 and that had a screen protector from factory that was advertised as removable but not recommended. It had bubbling after a few months and I took it off. Later I had cracking in the hinge section. Samsung did replace it under warranty, and I later traded it in for a flip 5. I wonder if I will have the same issues with the 5.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 True. First editions had none, but scratched like a mf'er. Second editions had them and people tried to pull them off and destroyed their screens in doing so. It was hillarious to read about! But screens have multiple layers, not just those two. So the issue runs deeper.
@@neoanderson7492 My last phone went 8 years and only replaced it due to outdated signal compatibility. Still on the original battery too, though it was coming due and the only replacements were mystery meat from backwater china. Land line phones generally lasted many decades even with angry hangups slamming the handset down on the base.
@@neoanderson7492I guess if you're used to replacing your phone every time the newest model comes out, like a good little consumer, then I guess it's perfect for you. Every human being in my life likes to keep their phone around until the manufacturer bricks it with a software update. The phone before this one lasted me 7 years and I'm going on 3 years with this model. If I spend $500 on a device it had god damn better not be designed to fail. I know it's designed to fail because every piece of plastic I've ever put a crease in and folded and unfolded repeatedly has snapped. It doesn't matter if it's designed to fold, that just means it will snap a little later. Give me hinges or give me death
I was an early adopter of the Pixel Fold. Had a little sand get behind the screen though the hinge on the back. After opening it one time, that the inner screen wouldn't accept the pixies anymore anymore. Learned two things that day, don't media blast wearing a hoodie, and don't have an expensive phone. 😂
Don't buy inappropriate tools for the environment... Seems like the real lesson. I learned that lesson, but it took three watches. I no longer wear watches.
When i saw that phone for the first time the only words i could think of was "Work Hardening". it doesn't matter what its made out of, you bend any material enough times its going to become brittle and snap.
Glass isn't subject to work hardening. Its material properties are very unlike plastics and metals. You'll find that some semi-crystalline and all amorphous plastics tend to exhibit more repeated stress failures than other plastics though - try breaking a polyester (semi-crystalline but generally highly-oriented) water bottle by flexing it repeatedly vs. snapping off its HDPE pop lid hinge. We've all seen similar repeated stress failures in polypropylene, more weakly semi-crystalline, and ABS, amorphous, but again glass is more like good polyester if you want to draw a comparison for fatigue. Polyester with a bi-axially oriented semi-crystalline structure (Mylar brand name) is what's used to make modern drum heads for musical instruments and can be subjected to tens of thousands of wear cycles with almost no degradation unless the drummer exceeds the material's stress limit - wear actually tends to come from the constant tuning stress stretching the material over time or a harder than designed for impact. All that being said, there is clearly a failure mechanism the manufacturer is still working out here, but it's almost certainly not work hardening.
According to Samsung, it's good for 100 openings per day for at least 5 years. I have one because phones today are fucking massive and they don't fit into my motorcycle jacket pockets. So far, mine's fine and dandy.
As long as you stay inside the materials elasticity or is it plasticity it should be fine thats why the wings on an airplane can move up and down so much without breaking. Go over and you get into work hardening.
I have used this principle to stack beer cans to the ceiling. You start with a "loose" column of stacked cans. The very last can is twisted so to make a spring between the loose stacked cans and the ceiling. This will cause compression throughout the entire stack. The cans will act like "rope" to the point you can form the stack in different configurations. Flick cigarette butts at it and it will not fail because the stack is under compression.
I fix these things. This phone was not meant for builders, out door workers or anyone who gets a bit mucky... keep the screen dirt free and this won't happen. It has a screen protector on it, but once you take it off... it's over.
Happy Easter AvE and family! Hope you are well and basking in the sun of some southern sandy beach or an equally enjoyable respite. Looking forward to hearing your meanderings on the Key bridge or the esoteric symbolism of the rising of the sun. Be good.
I was talked out of one these by the local samsuck dealer as he warned me of the topic at hand. He talked me into a another less sucky brand that does NOT fold and have had zero problems thus far. Thank you phone guy.
Experienced "slippage" with my pixel watch. The back plate is literally just glued on with no mechanical attachment at all. So I took the watch off my wrist and the plate just fell one day. The run around that ensued was infuriating and I eventually got them to send me a refurbished watch for free, despite having paid for a new watch that fell apart under regular use after 4 months.
Thanks for sharing. I've wondered if I've been missing anything. Love my Pixel phones over the years but went with Garmin on my arm for fitness training, primarily running. Mine is zero fashion, but its taken many beatings and has never let me down. That's what I need so it's nice to know I accidentally got it right.
I had a similar run around with Verizon, I now buy my devices directly from Samsung and purchase their warranty (they still use refurbished devices for a replacement with sucks) but there is less run around. Also, Ave must have a poor device. My Samsung fold 4 is fantastic, I'll never go back to the standard form factor.
Yup. When you can damage the screen by slightly pressing on it with a nail, it’s junk. I really do not see the appeal in buying these new folding phones, at all.
My material science class just covered linear defects and my thermodynamics class has me lost. Surprisingly, a video titled Samsuck Flip is a good way to review. I better get back to my work
Iv bein rocking these fold/flip phones since the first gen, bein hot or too cold is a definite killer on these devices. The fold is better for this reason since you can use the front screen until the device is normal operating temp. Im in the caribou where iv used it ice fishing or laid in in the snow under the car or even had it welding. If it's open and it's cold, you leave it open till it warms up id almost argue it would be common sence tho that's not a frequent trait of many these days lol 😅. Also I bought my fold 3 used for less then a new contract yeah warranty isn't a thing but I'm already over 3 years so I'd say it wouldn't matter anymore anyways. Always loved your channel Ave you taught me lots about millfukky and cryobi
I have had my fold 3 for over 2 years now. Has been amazing. No issues. I'm an aircraft mechanic and it's always in my back pocket. The flip is silly. The fold replace a note and iPad mini. Great video, though! Ordered me some stickers. My toolbox is naked and needs some flair.
Been using my Flip3 for 2+ years now. I LOVE it. It's so nice to close and just stick it in your pocket. The factory installed screen protector started to peel after about a year. It was super easy to replace. I hate the Samsung version of Android (I much prefer stock Android), but the hardware itself has been a joy.
Have a flip 3 5g, also 2+ years. Same as you screen protector wore out, replaced it with a softer style one. Works great, abuse it in extremely dirty, dusty environments daily. No issues
Ave, the stickers arrived and I must tell you. These are like the swiss watches of stickers. Made me and a few friends have a good chuckle too! I think my coffee machine is going to need a few of them too
I used to pour concrete and we did a lot of post tension slabs, so I can totally relate to what you’re saying about the glass…….. having said that I still wouldn’t trust that phone 🤣
Speaking of time travel. Anytime I accidentally smash my phone or zap it with the welder I just go pick up the cheapest one they have. Every time the fella tries to convince me I need one with a good camera. What he doesnt understand is since I always get the cheapest phone, The cheapest one that is 6 months newer than the last one I had has a gooderer camera than the last. I get an affordable upgrade by living in the past.
A fellow traveler. My latest phone has lasted long enough for the protective glass to not be sold at the store anymore. The case is solid. Motorola stylus 5g.
Me three. Don’t give a shit about technology and work as a boilermaker. When my phone inevitably gets killed, burnt, ground ,dropped or falls into the coolant I go to cash converters and buy the cheapest secondhand Iphone they’ve got. Works a treat every time. This one has so much spatter on the screen, you can use it as a file.
I too have stopped buying expensive phones. Cheap phones are a lot tougher. I'm a builder and I've had my phone for well over a year with no case and no screen protector. I've dropped it on concrete countless times, keep it in my tool belt rubbing up against tools and getting covered in abrasive silica dust, rain, and whatever else. Haven't killed it yet. All the flagship phones I've bought have lasted less than 6 months.
Im impressed with my latest one from that manufacturer. I excel at turning said devices into paperweights thru general abuse and absurd circumstance. My current one is loyal like a lady in an abusive relationship and still works fine after being actually run over by a vehicle.
Just ordered your "shake stumps with danger" shirt. Perfect gift for my son who cut his finger off last year. I would have got it sooner, but it sells out fast!!!
I think the more likely cause of the break is directly to do with the additional layer of material that is the screen protector, if you imagine the screen bending when you fold it without the screen protector, it will take a certain "path", now do the same thing but with the screen protector in place, the protector will want to take the same route the screen did and will push the screen out and stretching it causing the break. If you think of a car axle turning and the wheels moving diffrent distance just on a smaller scale
I got a Flip 3 for free, and it is my most favorite phone ever. That being said, the angle sensor in the hinge crapped out a week out of warranty. It works again after a hacky fix, except the screen randomly shuts off and I have to re-unlock it. Screen itself is still fine though.
Remember a decade ago when Samsung backtracked the release of their first flip phone because "the tech wasn't ready yet"? The tech isn't ready now, either.
I have some weird ability not to destroy my phone...still rocking the S7, can't remember what year that is from...it's in perfect condition. I could trick somebody into thinking it is new, but it's been my daily driver the whole time. Never had a case. Constantly in my pocket during shop abuse. The only time I broke one is because I fell off the third floor and landed on it. Apparently I do that bounce back thing if you drop me from high enough.
i'm onto the time thing. met some critters in hyperspace once, outside of time, and a year later saw them embroidered in 2000 year old peruvian textiles. so i was convinced at that point.
What you thought was a screen protector is in fact not a screen protector it is a part of that weird glass and you ruined it when you peeled it off. Lol I used to sell phones when this model came out and I sold one to a guy who did that exact same thing when he got into his car and they wouldn't warranty it.
Destin's video explicitly shows that it's not a rebound effect that causes the second break (though that was Feynman's speculated cause). It's more complex than that, relating to a propagating wave that increases _inward_ curvature at the second break point.
It is.. I have the fold 4 and I have zero complaints. He must have a 1st Gen or maybe a faulty device. The roll out wasn't great, but it's been a few years and the newer Samsung folding phones are so nice.
That looks like a Samsung zFlip 2. We have 2 zFlip 4 in our home and they both work flawlessly for over 1 year now, regardless if it's winter or summer, rainy or dusty. The folding screen technology evolved massively in the past few years.
The phone's design makes a lot more sense if you realize it is not a phone, it is a status symbol. It happens to also do phone (and computer) things, but that wasn't the primary design goal.
I've had a zfold for over 3 years. My wife has had the flip 3 and flip4. I have seen others at my work used the flip for years. I have noticed an interesting pattern that causes the inside folding of the display area to crack. Many had the factory display cover bubble up and would remove it completely. Those that did would often have the inisde crease crack within six to 8 months. I was guilty of the same and satrted to notice my crease in the fold start to crack at the outer edges. At this point, I installed a display cover back, and after over a year, it stopped the cracking from spreading further. I think Samsung should mention that the display cover it comes with isn't just there to protect it from scratching, but it seems to provide some kind of structural support that prevents the center of the display from cracking. Opening it when the device is too cold can also do this. I've used mine multiple times on Prudhoe bay Alaska, but i try not opening it when its extremily cold out.
Yeah I do like the whole folding phone as it fits in the pocket quite nicely, but I don't think I will touch one with folding screen. Much better option to get a closely placed dual screen system going, sure there be a thin seam but at least it last longer.
Be real. All you really need is to soften it up with a hair dryer. The phone battery will last all day, not sure about the portable hair dryer battery though.
I have the fold 4 and have no idea of these complaints. Mine has worked just fine. Except for that one time water got in it some how. Either way, $99 later and I got a replacement. I'll spend the extra cash for the extra features. Worth it for me.
That was among the many problems they had with this thing... people thought those were removable screen protectors like the ones that you peel off when you first but a piece of electronics
I had this thought that time cannot be repeated and therefore time travel is impossible so I took some flack for the idea. You are my second witness AvE, so I want to thank you. All this took place within a conversation about symbiotic relationships being proof the time-based theory of evolution is an impossibility. I was looked at like I had become covered in warts all the sudden (proof the leftists have been brainwashing students for decades). My theory of how all things are in the "is" by means of harmonics is consistant with your explanation of the rigid being embeded with the flexible in a sort-of Ying & Yang existence makes sense to me. I could not understand how no one else would entertain the idea, not that it matters in my perception of what is which has not changed for a very long time. "Can any one thing exist without the other?"...has been my conversation starter for decades (four and a half to be more precise) and only one (today) other person has ever said the same basic perception...makes my day that someone with much higher IQ (you) has stated a like view as someone like me who is more on the simple mind throttle foundation of life. I'm slower than most people and I know it, and I think of it as a gift from above where my Father sits and laughs with me about many things daily. It's good to be who we are!
Thanks for looking the thing over. I was just blown away that, while this happened and yes I got duped into buying the shiny thing with the stupid new features, I got sent in 4 different directions on how to get the thing replaced. Between Telus, Samsung, the Insurance Company and the shop I bought it at, none of them wanted to help me. They all tried to pass the buck.
At the end Telus said they would exchange it for something else.
I'm hoping to get my hands on a Nokia 3310
No more bells or whistles for this guy.
I miss your xj vids. I'll be referencing the head gasket one here soon. Still the best jeep repair videos on youtube
I'll be standing right next to you when they come out with the transparent aluminum.
@@sonofmonkeys Thanks! They were a lot of work. I found my fit talking about the news. I love doing it.
I quite like bells. Not such a big fan of whistles though. but bells... or belle's . Yep.
I've got an old 3310, just got to wait more 6 years and the battery will be flat so I can send it to you.
came for the knuckle dragging, stayed for the mind bending time dilation lecture
b 0:50
Today I learned about the Doiyoiyoing Effect. Hands up the bestest Physics/Alchemy Classes on the interweb. Thank you professor Bumble.
Springamathing-sprungamuthung 😂
Doiyoiyoing and boobies go good together.
As ave always says, everything is a spring if u think about it.
Thank you for spelling it! I come here to learn and have gained much, but how can I correspond with other people and not look like an idiot when I don't know how to spell the names of the essential forces in nature?
The doioioing effect is why you never dryfire a bow without an arrow.
I think if the spaghetti would snap right in the middle it wouldn't break the second time.
TLDR: The pixels stop being friends with the angry pixies when the bender's had enough.
Time exists my friend , I saw it with my own eyes in the library magazine rack.
Time exists because without it everything will happen at once.
According to your own subjective pesonal interpretation of reality
Now the time has come (Time)
There's no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I've been loved and put aside (Time)
I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
time is a thing we need to plan our lives and know how much time have elapsed. So to be able to live. Time a human construct, same as money or currency is a human construct. It exist for a reason, it it didnt have any reason to exist we wouldnt have it or invent it.
Man I miss slapping my clamshell phone shut to hang up on some ding dong that called and ruined my afternoon...
Still can. Cat S22. 4g smart "flip" phone. Leaves a lot to be desired in '24. Would've killed the game in it's day though.
@@bakedveal2624 i just bought a bulk box of sidekick 2's, 75 bucks for 30 of them. should last me the rest of my life.
That's awesome, thanks 👍
"Man I miss slapping my clam[...]" - LucasGarrow (2024)
Your phrasing tickled my funny bone
Still not as satisfying as slamming down the receiver on a Western Electric 2500.
Came for a ZFlip review, learned that time doesn't exist. Well done!
but of course, you already knew this...
I decided to go explore this statement, and now I don’t exist
6:24 Such a powerful message. He talks about how glass is drawn, while drawing glass himself.
Small correction, the caesium clocks do not involve radioactivity, but microwaves, it is the frequency of the photon that matches the energy difference between two states of the atom.
Exactly, really makes me question how much this guy actually knows
@@MrPwnageMachine LMAO
Who hurt you?
He never claimed to be an electrical engineer @MrPwnageMachine
I mean technically microwaves can be radiation blagh. It gets complicated. Now I need to drink to put the brain back to sleep.
That was sarcasm gentlemen
8:20 While one could use radioactive cesium decay to measure time, cesium 133, the isotope commonly used to set my watch, is not radioactive. It's the hyperfine transition frequency that's used as a time standard.
I do not want a folding phone. I want a phone that will survive a good toss across the lab.
But alas, these methods aren’t measuring time, rather time is a measurement or representation of the rate of change. Interestingly, even with a standard for measurement, perception can vary greatly between people. Just ask 100 people to demonstrate with their hands how big 6 inches is.
$25 folding phone from wally's will take a kikking
strange:( the richest man in mehico owns the cheapest phone company in the States😖
I would settle for one that can survive a 3 foot drop onto a hard surface.
@@TheSaltyExplorer yes, when "hands" was clearly stated as the unit of measurement.
@@deaconblooze1 my last two Kyocera Duraforce phones survived multiple 6ft drops/flings to the ground from my lap in a truck seat onto gravel. No auxiliary protective cases or lens covers. The screens are exceptional. The camera lens covers are fragile.
I filed an insurance claim on my old Motorola One 5g, and they offered me the Razr 2023 as a replacement. Within 3 weeks, the screen starting glitching and strobing out. They sent another replacement and 2 weeks later the same thing happened! There's magnets on each corner to help it stay shut, but they also gather tiny metal chips and particles from my work (cnc operator), which when you close the phone, puncture the screen and break it.
The same problem with AirPods case - the magnets keeping it closed, but there’s always some metallic shmootz
@0326Hambone I'll go you one better. Back in 98 - 00 I worked in a small aerospace firm making parts for c5, c130, and later yf22 parts. Had one of those Tracfone bar phones. Worked at grinding/ deburr table and some how gnat sized shavings of debris would work their way under the battery, in a sealed battery compartment with no openings. And do so without leaving ANY shavings in my pocket. It was if as they teleported inside the phone! Never did figure out how it could be.😮
They will do that. Also scratch the f out of your glasses if you wipe them. I use air duster w.e possible then wipe. Not perfect but I don't have to get new lenses as often.
with a ph like that,, you smell nice & do fk all.. fact.. i dont care if it dances.. i just want a fkn ph.. cant even buy a pie,, a plain pie for fk sake.. or coffee,, 60 zillian brands, types,, i want a fkn coffee.. kill me now...
this ph sht, is the same sht the roswell ufo was made of.. FINALLY,, WE ADVANCE,, ... i digress....
Son of a Bisquick, the sight of the green healing mat is better than therapy.
What size is the mat?
7 acres
The layer directly under the screen protector is the capacitive touch sensor layer.
It probably WAS the screen protector that killed it. Either chemically or with that tiny amount of extra leverage on the bend on closing.
Apparently Samsung added it after complaints of the glass getting scratched.
Nope. The screen protector comes mounted from the factory.
On the z flip 5, Samsung applies a screen protector, and says it is not removable. They do advertise 1 free replacement (of the protector, not the screen) if it becomes damaged. I had the 4 and that had a screen protector from factory that was advertised as removable but not recommended. It had bubbling after a few months and I took it off. Later I had cracking in the hinge section. Samsung did replace it under warranty, and I later traded it in for a flip 5. I wonder if I will have the same issues with the 5.
@@GarryDeWitt they do not say it is non removeable. However, they strongly recommend against removing it. Source: am samsung warranty tech
@@arduinoversusevil2025 True. First editions had none, but scratched like a mf'er. Second editions had them and people tried to pull them off and destroyed their screens in doing so. It was hillarious to read about!
But screens have multiple layers, not just those two. So the issue runs deeper.
As soon as I saw these I was like "there is no way in hell that these tings will last".
I had one for 1 year and it was perfect the whole time
@@neoanderson7492 One year isn't very long though, is it?
@@neoanderson7492 My last phone went 8 years and only replaced it due to outdated signal compatibility.
Still on the original battery too, though it was coming due and the only replacements were mystery meat from backwater china.
Land line phones generally lasted many decades even with angry hangups slamming the handset down on the base.
@@neoanderson7492I guess if you're used to replacing your phone every time the newest model comes out, like a good little consumer, then I guess it's perfect for you. Every human being in my life likes to keep their phone around until the manufacturer bricks it with a software update. The phone before this one lasted me 7 years and I'm going on 3 years with this model. If I spend $500 on a device it had god damn better not be designed to fail. I know it's designed to fail because every piece of plastic I've ever put a crease in and folded and unfolded repeatedly has snapped. It doesn't matter if it's designed to fold, that just means it will snap a little later. Give me hinges or give me death
I was an early adopter of the Pixel Fold. Had a little sand get behind the screen though the hinge on the back. After opening it one time, that the inner screen wouldn't accept the pixies anymore anymore.
Learned two things that day, don't media blast wearing a hoodie, and don't have an expensive phone. 😂
Don't buy inappropriate tools for the environment... Seems like the real lesson.
I learned that lesson, but it took three watches. I no longer wear watches.
No. 1: The Lartch
The.....
Larch..........
The Larch
I thought the larch was number 4
@@TripleSuccotash1 .....(applause).....
@@TripleSuccotash1It's good to meet a fellow graduate of Monte Python U.
Arthur Two-Sheds Jackson
Uncle Bumble where are you?? Youre going to need to comment on the bridge collapse and to account for your recent absence.
When i saw that phone for the first time the only words i could think of was "Work Hardening". it doesn't matter what its made out of, you bend any material enough times its going to become brittle and snap.
Had the same thought. We all know those plastic-single-mold containers where inevitably the lid snaps off.
from what I've seen of these foldy phones, the design doesn't make a proper crease in the display, it's more like a loop
Glass isn't subject to work hardening. Its material properties are very unlike plastics and metals. You'll find that some semi-crystalline and all amorphous plastics tend to exhibit more repeated stress failures than other plastics though - try breaking a polyester (semi-crystalline but generally highly-oriented) water bottle by flexing it repeatedly vs. snapping off its HDPE pop lid hinge. We've all seen similar repeated stress failures in polypropylene, more weakly semi-crystalline, and ABS, amorphous, but again glass is more like good polyester if you want to draw a comparison for fatigue. Polyester with a bi-axially oriented semi-crystalline structure (Mylar brand name) is what's used to make modern drum heads for musical instruments and can be subjected to tens of thousands of wear cycles with almost no degradation unless the drummer exceeds the material's stress limit - wear actually tends to come from the constant tuning stress stretching the material over time or a harder than designed for impact. All that being said, there is clearly a failure mechanism the manufacturer is still working out here, but it's almost certainly not work hardening.
According to Samsung, it's good for 100 openings per day for at least 5 years. I have one because phones today are fucking massive and they don't fit into my motorcycle jacket pockets. So far, mine's fine and dandy.
As long as you stay inside the materials elasticity or is it plasticity it should be fine thats why the wings on an airplane can move up and down so much without breaking.
Go over and you get into work hardening.
Ah, the doiyoyong, huan and vietnamese device repair.
Today's episode was a world tour worthy one
It's the linear movement of static elasticity that everyone learned in kindergarten. When the glue snaps back, you eat it.
Just checking in on the only Canadian I like. I hope you're alive and busy.
Came here for the same thing. Cough twice if you're in danger uncle bumblef#ck
I have used this principle to stack beer cans to the ceiling. You start with a "loose" column of stacked cans. The very last can is twisted so to make a spring between the loose stacked cans and the ceiling. This will cause compression throughout the entire stack. The cans will act like "rope" to the point you can form the stack in different configurations. Flick cigarette butts at it and it will not fail because the stack is under compression.
Love the Ren and Stimpy reference.
Memories are always made in the direction of increasing entropy.
Where is uncle bumblefuq? Hope he and the family are doing well. Miss the tongue tangulation in the shop for what for. Official APB for AvE.
Don't forget to drink every time he says basal platten. Skål!
skål broder!
Daj Boze!
1000 points for using the correct homonym. Nice job!
7:52 Uh-oh, uncle bumblefork's got into the whiskey again.
Just a lil drinky-poo for courage, Boband.
Where is AvE?
Probably enjoying the Spring.
Canada
Canookistan
Hoth
His vids dropped off my feed!
"You got the rent money yet?"
And then she was soooo nice. Lawd--she was lovey *dovey*
Come back, we miss you! .... but seriously hope all is well for you and the family!
For destructive phone teardowns I really like JerryRigEverything
I fix these things. This phone was not meant for builders, out door workers or anyone who gets a bit mucky... keep the screen dirt free and this won't happen. It has a screen protector on it, but once you take it off... it's over.
Agreed. I love my fold 4.
So, it's not "intended" for normal human operation, just lab conditions : D
My love affair lasted five months😢
@@IvoStunga if you work in the cleanroom of Intel or globalfoundries you are probably fine with that phone :D
@@martinum4that folding action could be a vector for dust tho : D
I miss my old Motorola flipfone. Pocket sized, droppable, coffee dunkable... texting on it sure was an art, though!
Oh yeah. You could text witout looking. T9 was the shiz
AvE you good bud?
Ty for your outlook.. you are a breath of fresh air
Happy Easter AvE and family! Hope you are well and basking in the sun of some southern sandy beach or an equally enjoyable respite. Looking forward to hearing your meanderings on the Key bridge or the esoteric symbolism of the rising of the sun. Be good.
I was talked out of one these by the local samsuck dealer as he warned me of the topic at hand. He talked me into a another less sucky brand that does NOT fold and have had zero problems thus far. Thank you phone guy.
Experienced "slippage" with my pixel watch. The back plate is literally just glued on with no mechanical attachment at all. So I took the watch off my wrist and the plate just fell one day. The run around that ensued was infuriating and I eventually got them to send me a refurbished watch for free, despite having paid for a new watch that fell apart under regular use after 4 months.
Thanks for sharing. I've wondered if I've been missing anything. Love my Pixel phones over the years but went with Garmin on my arm for fitness training, primarily running. Mine is zero fashion, but its taken many beatings and has never let me down. That's what I need so it's nice to know I accidentally got it right.
I had a similar run around with Verizon, I now buy my devices directly from Samsung and purchase their warranty (they still use refurbished devices for a replacement with sucks) but there is less run around.
Also, Ave must have a poor device. My Samsung fold 4 is fantastic, I'll never go back to the standard form factor.
I just found this page again after some years awesome and happy to see you still making content!!
Started watching Clyde during Convoy. Been watching him ever since. GreaT content!
May the universe bless the man who can say in 10000 words what could be said in 10!!!
Such a beautiful ramble, I mean explanation from uncle Bumblefork.
I've learnt the most in these wee hours of entropic awareness.
havent watched in a bit you got me with the flipper fone god i miss your humor
glad you are still around ave i am never board of lame tool reviews
As a phone repair tech. Don't buy folding phones unless you plan on trading it in within 12 months. They are a gimmick for now.
Yup. When you can damage the screen by slightly pressing on it with a nail, it’s junk. I really do not see the appeal in buying these new folding phones, at all.
My material science class just covered linear defects and my thermodynamics class has me lost. Surprisingly, a video titled Samsuck Flip is a good way to review. I better get back to my work
good luck i did my glass sci classes at alfred ceramics. now i break aluminum.
BEST COMBINATION OF INFORMATION AND ENTERTAINMENT I'VE FOUND.
Right turn Clyde! Great video!
Iv bein rocking these fold/flip phones since the first gen, bein hot or too cold is a definite killer on these devices. The fold is better for this reason since you can use the front screen until the device is normal operating temp. Im in the caribou where iv used it ice fishing or laid in in the snow under the car or even had it welding. If it's open and it's cold, you leave it open till it warms up id almost argue it would be common sence tho that's not a frequent trait of many these days lol 😅. Also I bought my fold 3 used for less then a new contract yeah warranty isn't a thing but I'm already over 3 years so I'd say it wouldn't matter anymore anyways.
Always loved your channel Ave you taught me lots about millfukky and cryobi
I love my fold 4, sucks AvE got a bad device.
Hope everyone is having a blessed day
You too!❤🙏🏻
I have had my fold 3 for over 2 years now. Has been amazing. No issues. I'm an aircraft mechanic and it's always in my back pocket. The flip is silly. The fold replace a note and iPad mini. Great video, though! Ordered me some stickers. My toolbox is naked and needs some flair.
Aww been watching you for years and started watching Clyde during the trucker convoy
"Time doesn't exist": AvE. "AvE doesn't exist": Time.
Been using my Flip3 for 2+ years now. I LOVE it. It's so nice to close and just stick it in your pocket.
The factory installed screen protector started to peel after about a year. It was super easy to replace. I hate the Samsung version of Android (I much prefer stock Android), but the hardware itself has been a joy.
My fold 4 is the coolest/best tech purchase I have ever made.
My Flip4 failed at 6 months, was able to trade it in for a Flip5, which also failed at 6 months... garbage products.
Have a flip 3 5g, also 2+ years. Same as you screen protector wore out, replaced it with a softer style one. Works great, abuse it in extremely dirty, dusty environments daily. No issues
Ave, the stickers arrived and I must tell you. These are like the swiss watches of stickers. Made me and a few friends have a good chuckle too! I think my coffee machine is going to need a few of them too
I used to pour concrete and we did a lot of post tension slabs, so I can totally relate to what you’re saying about the glass…….. having said that I still wouldn’t trust that phone 🤣
Speaking of time travel. Anytime I accidentally smash my phone or zap it with the welder I just go pick up the cheapest one they have. Every time the fella tries to convince me I need one with a good camera. What he doesnt understand is since I always get the cheapest phone, The cheapest one that is 6 months newer than the last one I had has a gooderer camera than the last. I get an affordable upgrade by living in the past.
A fellow traveler. My latest phone has lasted long enough for the protective glass to not be sold at the store anymore. The case is solid.
Motorola stylus 5g.
Me three. Don’t give a shit about technology and work as a boilermaker. When my phone inevitably gets killed, burnt, ground ,dropped or falls into the coolant I go to cash converters and buy the cheapest secondhand Iphone they’ve got. Works a treat every time. This one has so much spatter on the screen, you can use it as a file.
I too have stopped buying expensive phones. Cheap phones are a lot tougher. I'm a builder and I've had my phone for well over a year with no case and no screen protector. I've dropped it on concrete countless times, keep it in my tool belt rubbing up against tools and getting covered in abrasive silica dust, rain, and whatever else. Haven't killed it yet. All the flagship phones I've bought have lasted less than 6 months.
Im impressed with my latest one from that manufacturer. I excel at turning said devices into paperweights thru general abuse and absurd circumstance. My current one is loyal like a lady in an abusive relationship and still works fine after being actually run over by a vehicle.
Just ordered your "shake stumps with danger" shirt. Perfect gift for my son who cut his finger off last year. I would have got it sooner, but it sells out fast!!!
Ave, the only person who can increase my attention by saying “let me draw you a diagram”. 😂
True story
Watching AVE while traveling in the west Kootenays. What a novelty! Remarkable these Telus towers actually work.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. ;)
I think the more likely cause of the break is directly to do with the additional layer of material that is the screen protector, if you imagine the screen bending when you fold it without the screen protector, it will take a certain "path", now do the same thing but with the screen protector in place, the protector will want to take the same route the screen did and will push the screen out and stretching it causing the break. If you think of a car axle turning and the wheels moving diffrent distance just on a smaller scale
I got a Flip 3 for free, and it is my most favorite phone ever. That being said, the angle sensor in the hinge crapped out a week out of warranty. It works again after a hacky fix, except the screen randomly shuts off and I have to re-unlock it. Screen itself is still fine though.
Remember a decade ago when Samsung backtracked the release of their first flip phone because "the tech wasn't ready yet"?
The tech isn't ready now, either.
I have some weird ability not to destroy my phone...still rocking the S7, can't remember what year that is from...it's in perfect condition. I could trick somebody into thinking it is new, but it's been my daily driver the whole time. Never had a case. Constantly in my pocket during shop abuse.
The only time I broke one is because I fell off the third floor and landed on it. Apparently I do that bounce back thing if you drop me from high enough.
Still have my S7. The battery is getting a bit tired but it still does everything I need it to.
@@warwickscram1656 Yep, only issue is the battery - this is my first phone with a built in battery, I hate that part so much!
Clicked on to get a peek under the petticoat.
Left wanting to re-read Story of Your Life.
Thanks as always AvE!
My wife wanted to get one of these. I told her no wait till they have been out a few years. Glad to see it was a battle I was right to pick.
"Feathers on the same bird". Golden on blue.
Rebloodlicans and Democrips.
@@jonanderson5137 ive never heard that but its still hilarious. sadly theyre all actually the same gang, and thats the real problem
Gentleman! I was finally able to get my own brand new McMaster catalog! Number 130
Wow. Congrats. I've tried
@@broncota2210 I asked years ago and was shot down. Got to keep waiting
@@broncota2210 they're not terribly generous with handing them out. My company does a lot of business with them and we get ONE per year.
It's like Christmas in April!
I learned so much from Clyde and the Pabst Boys Roadhouse cause I knew nothing about repairing Jeep Cherokees when I bought one years ago :P
The no step on snake flag in the background reflection adds the perfect touch to the beginning.
i'm onto the time thing. met some critters in hyperspace once, outside of time, and a year later saw them embroidered in 2000 year old peruvian textiles. so i was convinced at that point.
DMT is a helluva drug.
i might have died and got rebooted into a parallel simulation :) @@soul8bounce
What you thought was a screen protector is in fact not a screen protector it is a part of that weird glass and you ruined it when you peeled it off. Lol
I used to sell phones when this model came out and I sold one to a guy who did that exact same thing when he got into his car and they wouldn't warranty it.
Used to watch the PBR Boys all the time. Reminded me of my friends and I workin in the garage.
Hey, i remember them! I loved their jeep build!
Did you take mushrooms and fall asleep watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos again?
Just realised... it's been a while. Hope all is well in the frozen sh1thole of Hoth.
I'm watching this with a phone I bought 2 days ago while looking at the new flip phone phones and decide to keep it old school. I'm glad I did
Destin's video explicitly shows that it's not a rebound effect that causes the second break (though that was Feynman's speculated cause). It's more complex than that, relating to a propagating wave that increases _inward_ curvature at the second break point.
I really want this to be a thing, but the tech just isn't there yet :(
It is.. I have the fold 4 and I have zero complaints. He must have a 1st Gen or maybe a faulty device. The roll out wasn't great, but it's been a few years and the newer Samsung folding phones are so nice.
That looks like a Samsung zFlip 2.
We have 2 zFlip 4 in our home and they both work flawlessly for over 1 year now, regardless if it's winter or summer, rainy or dusty. The folding screen technology evolved massively in the past few years.
The phone's design makes a lot more sense if you realize it is not a phone, it is a status symbol. It happens to also do phone (and computer) things, but that wasn't the primary design goal.
I've had a zfold for over 3 years. My wife has had the flip 3 and flip4. I have seen others at my work used the flip for years. I have noticed an interesting pattern that causes the inside folding of the display area to crack. Many had the factory display cover bubble up and would remove it completely. Those that did would often have the inisde crease crack within six to 8 months. I was guilty of the same and satrted to notice my crease in the fold start to crack at the outer edges. At this point, I installed a display cover back, and after over a year, it stopped the cracking from spreading further. I think Samsung should mention that the display cover it comes with isn't just there to protect it from scratching, but it seems to provide some kind of structural support that prevents the center of the display from cracking. Opening it when the device is too cold can also do this. I've used mine multiple times on Prudhoe bay Alaska, but i try not opening it when its extremily cold out.
Yeah I do like the whole folding phone as it fits in the pocket quite nicely, but I don't think I will touch one with folding screen. Much better option to get a closely placed dual screen system going, sure there be a thin seam but at least it last longer.
There's an ungodly buzz in the background. I spent several minutes trying to track it down only to realize it was coming from the video. 😂
Don't hear a buzz on my end.
I heard it too.
@@pfadivaMight be more noticeable with headphones. Not really a buzz, more of a high-pitched whine.
Either PWM or nasty fluorescent fixtures.
@@ExaltedUriel
I’m using a gen 1 steam powered iPad with kitten chewed earphones, and I can’t hear a buzz. 🤷
The whole screen is plastic. That's the big deal about OLED. That is the factory protector, you're not supposed to pull that one off.
The 6 shop knifes on that bench pulled more of my attention than the silly phone
I remember when the ad videos about these phones came out. Took me about 1.5 seconds to go "that shit is going to break in no time. Idiotic design"
Just like spaghetti, You need to immerse the phone into a pot of boiling water.
I hope that helps.
yaaaa but then your feed is nothing but italian food
And then through it at the wall to see if it sticks
Be real. All you really need is to soften it up with a hair dryer. The phone battery will last all day, not sure about the portable hair dryer battery though.
This comment isn’t getting the credit it deserves.
Watching this video on that exact phone... Not sure how to feel, but I agree with what ol' Bumblefack said.
Watching on the more expensive hotdog version of that phone, I agree completely as well. Fair warning to anyone wondering, this phone sucks.
Trade ‘em in while there’s still pixels lit. 💸
I have the fold 4 and have no idea of these complaints. Mine has worked just fine.
Except for that one time water got in it some how. Either way, $99 later and I got a replacement. I'll spend the extra cash for the extra features. Worth it for me.
I know this off topic. Do you get decent BTU's off pine over hardwood. I burnt hardwoods and it heats extremely well, never burned pine.
I seen in some places! Some people have been peeling off that very same conductive film off their new tv’s thinking it’s a screen protector 😂
Those phones boggle my brian, one of my students has the same Phone. Never been first comment before, where's my trophy?
You win the no prize! Congrats!
That was among the many problems they had with this thing... people thought those were removable screen protectors like the ones that you peel off when you first but a piece of electronics
@@arduinoversusevil2025 story of my life, the video is reward enough though
Just the admiration of your peers
I had this thought that time cannot be repeated and therefore time travel is impossible so I took some flack for the idea. You are my second witness AvE, so I want to thank you. All this took place within a conversation about symbiotic relationships being proof the time-based theory of evolution is an impossibility. I was looked at like I had become covered in warts all the sudden (proof the leftists have been brainwashing students for decades).
My theory of how all things are in the "is" by means of harmonics is consistant with your explanation of the rigid being embeded with the flexible in a sort-of Ying & Yang existence makes sense to me. I could not understand how no one else would entertain the idea, not that it matters in my perception of what is which has not changed for a very long time.
"Can any one thing exist without the other?"...has been my conversation starter for decades (four and a half to be more precise) and only one (today) other person has ever said the same basic perception...makes my day that someone with much higher IQ (you) has stated a like view as someone like me who is more on the simple mind throttle foundation of life. I'm slower than most people and I know it, and I think of it as a gift from above where my Father sits and laughs with me about many things daily.
It's good to be who we are!
I need an AVE bridge collapse video now!
"Folding touchscreen" was an instant "no thanks, why would anyone want this?" technology for me.
Feathers on the same bird
no
Different peanuts in the same turd
I anticipate your engagement with the idea of entropy.
Forever a subscriber for removing Canadian ticks
Came for the phone screen, stayed for the commentary on the existential march of thermodynamics
In today's vidyeyo, uncle BF combines elements of JerryRigEverything with existential crisis.