Thanks for looking the thing over. I was just blown away that, while this happened and yes I got duped into buying the shiny thing with the stupid new features, I got sent in 4 different directions on how to get the thing replaced. Between Telus, Samsung, the Insurance Company and the shop I bought it at, none of them wanted to help me. They all tried to pass the buck. At the end Telus said they would exchange it for something else. I'm hoping to get my hands on a Nokia 3310 No more bells or whistles for this guy.
Thank you for spelling it! I come here to learn and have gained much, but how can I correspond with other people and not look like an idiot when I don't know how to spell the names of the essential forces in nature?
The doioioing effect is why you never dryfire a bow without an arrow. I think if the spaghetti would snap right in the middle it wouldn't break the second time.
Now the time has come (Time) There's no place to run (Time) I might get burned up by the sun (Time) But I had my fun (Time) I've been loved and put aside (Time) I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time) And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
time is a thing we need to plan our lives and know how much time have elapsed. So to be able to live. Time a human construct, same as money or currency is a human construct. It exist for a reason, it it didnt have any reason to exist we wouldnt have it or invent it.
I filed an insurance claim on my old Motorola One 5g, and they offered me the Razr 2023 as a replacement. Within 3 weeks, the screen starting glitching and strobing out. They sent another replacement and 2 weeks later the same thing happened! There's magnets on each corner to help it stay shut, but they also gather tiny metal chips and particles from my work (cnc operator), which when you close the phone, puncture the screen and break it.
@0326Hambone I'll go you one better. Back in 98 - 00 I worked in a small aerospace firm making parts for c5, c130, and later yf22 parts. Had one of those Tracfone bar phones. Worked at grinding/ deburr table and some how gnat sized shavings of debris would work their way under the battery, in a sealed battery compartment with no openings. And do so without leaving ANY shavings in my pocket. It was if as they teleported inside the phone! Never did figure out how it could be.😮
They will do that. Also scratch the f out of your glasses if you wipe them. I use air duster w.e possible then wipe. Not perfect but I don't have to get new lenses as often.
with a ph like that,, you smell nice & do fk all.. fact.. i dont care if it dances.. i just want a fkn ph.. cant even buy a pie,, a plain pie for fk sake.. or coffee,, 60 zillian brands, types,, i want a fkn coffee.. kill me now...
I have used this principle to stack beer cans to the ceiling. You start with a "loose" column of stacked cans. The very last can is twisted so to make a spring between the loose stacked cans and the ceiling. This will cause compression throughout the entire stack. The cans will act like "rope" to the point you can form the stack in different configurations. Flick cigarette butts at it and it will not fail because the stack is under compression.
The layer directly under the screen protector is the capacitive touch sensor layer. It probably WAS the screen protector that killed it. Either chemically or with that tiny amount of extra leverage on the bend on closing.
On the z flip 5, Samsung applies a screen protector, and says it is not removable. They do advertise 1 free replacement (of the protector, not the screen) if it becomes damaged. I had the 4 and that had a screen protector from factory that was advertised as removable but not recommended. It had bubbling after a few months and I took it off. Later I had cracking in the hinge section. Samsung did replace it under warranty, and I later traded it in for a flip 5. I wonder if I will have the same issues with the 5.
@@arduinoversusevil2025 True. First editions had none, but scratched like a mf'er. Second editions had them and people tried to pull them off and destroyed their screens in doing so. It was hillarious to read about! But screens have multiple layers, not just those two. So the issue runs deeper.
Small correction, the caesium clocks do not involve radioactivity, but microwaves, it is the frequency of the photon that matches the energy difference between two states of the atom.
When i saw that phone for the first time the only words i could think of was "Work Hardening". it doesn't matter what its made out of, you bend any material enough times its going to become brittle and snap.
Glass isn't subject to work hardening. Its material properties are very unlike plastics and metals. You'll find that some semi-crystalline and all amorphous plastics tend to exhibit more repeated stress failures than other plastics though - try breaking a polyester (semi-crystalline but generally highly-oriented) water bottle by flexing it repeatedly vs. snapping off its HDPE pop lid hinge. We've all seen similar repeated stress failures in polypropylene, more weakly semi-crystalline, and ABS, amorphous, but again glass is more like good polyester if you want to draw a comparison for fatigue. Polyester with a bi-axially oriented semi-crystalline structure (Mylar brand name) is what's used to make modern drum heads for musical instruments and can be subjected to tens of thousands of wear cycles with almost no degradation unless the drummer exceeds the material's stress limit - wear actually tends to come from the constant tuning stress stretching the material over time or a harder than designed for impact. All that being said, there is clearly a failure mechanism the manufacturer is still working out here, but it's almost certainly not work hardening.
According to Samsung, it's good for 100 openings per day for at least 5 years. I have one because phones today are fucking massive and they don't fit into my motorcycle jacket pockets. So far, mine's fine and dandy.
As long as you stay inside the materials elasticity or is it plasticity it should be fine thats why the wings on an airplane can move up and down so much without breaking. Go over and you get into work hardening.
I was talked out of one these by the local samsuck dealer as he warned me of the topic at hand. He talked me into a another less sucky brand that does NOT fold and have had zero problems thus far. Thank you phone guy.
I was an early adopter of the Pixel Fold. Had a little sand get behind the screen though the hinge on the back. After opening it one time, that the inner screen wouldn't accept the pixies anymore anymore. Learned two things that day, don't media blast wearing a hoodie, and don't have an expensive phone. 😂
Don't buy inappropriate tools for the environment... Seems like the real lesson. I learned that lesson, but it took three watches. I no longer wear watches.
I haven’t been here for a long time. Seeing that stove just brought back a great memory, helpful during a dark time. “Shit tickets ain’t gonna save you”. Thanks again buddy.
8:20 While one could use radioactive cesium decay to measure time, cesium 133, the isotope commonly used to set my watch, is not radioactive. It's the hyperfine transition frequency that's used as a time standard. I do not want a folding phone. I want a phone that will survive a good toss across the lab.
But alas, these methods aren’t measuring time, rather time is a measurement or representation of the rate of change. Interestingly, even with a standard for measurement, perception can vary greatly between people. Just ask 100 people to demonstrate with their hands how big 6 inches is.
@@deaconblooze1 my last two Kyocera Duraforce phones survived multiple 6ft drops/flings to the ground from my lap in a truck seat onto gravel. No auxiliary protective cases or lens covers. The screens are exceptional. The camera lens covers are fragile.
Been using my Flip3 for 2+ years now. I LOVE it. It's so nice to close and just stick it in your pocket. The factory installed screen protector started to peel after about a year. It was super easy to replace. I hate the Samsung version of Android (I much prefer stock Android), but the hardware itself has been a joy.
Have a flip 3 5g, also 2+ years. Same as you screen protector wore out, replaced it with a softer style one. Works great, abuse it in extremely dirty, dusty environments daily. No issues
@@neoanderson7492 My last phone went 8 years and only replaced it due to outdated signal compatibility. Still on the original battery too, though it was coming due and the only replacements were mystery meat from backwater china. Land line phones generally lasted many decades even with angry hangups slamming the handset down on the base.
@@neoanderson7492I guess if you're used to replacing your phone every time the newest model comes out, like a good little consumer, then I guess it's perfect for you. Every human being in my life likes to keep their phone around until the manufacturer bricks it with a software update. The phone before this one lasted me 7 years and I'm going on 3 years with this model. If I spend $500 on a device it had god damn better not be designed to fail. I know it's designed to fail because every piece of plastic I've ever put a crease in and folded and unfolded repeatedly has snapped. It doesn't matter if it's designed to fold, that just means it will snap a little later. Give me hinges or give me death
Happy Easter AvE and family! Hope you are well and basking in the sun of some southern sandy beach or an equally enjoyable respite. Looking forward to hearing your meanderings on the Key bridge or the esoteric symbolism of the rising of the sun. Be good.
I've had a zfold for over 3 years. My wife has had the flip 3 and flip4. I have seen others at my work used the flip for years. I have noticed an interesting pattern that causes the inside folding of the display area to crack. Many had the factory display cover bubble up and would remove it completely. Those that did would often have the inisde crease crack within six to 8 months. I was guilty of the same and satrted to notice my crease in the fold start to crack at the outer edges. At this point, I installed a display cover back, and after over a year, it stopped the cracking from spreading further. I think Samsung should mention that the display cover it comes with isn't just there to protect it from scratching, but it seems to provide some kind of structural support that prevents the center of the display from cracking. Opening it when the device is too cold can also do this. I've used mine multiple times on Prudhoe bay Alaska, but i try not opening it when its extremily cold out.
I got a Flip 3 for free, and it is my most favorite phone ever. That being said, the angle sensor in the hinge crapped out a week out of warranty. It works again after a hacky fix, except the screen randomly shuts off and I have to re-unlock it. Screen itself is still fine though.
I have had my fold 3 for over 2 years now. Has been amazing. No issues. I'm an aircraft mechanic and it's always in my back pocket. The flip is silly. The fold replace a note and iPad mini. Great video, though! Ordered me some stickers. My toolbox is naked and needs some flair.
The flip is for people like me who don't want a long rectangle in their pocket, and prefer the compactness-to-regular-size of the Flip over the regular-to-extra-large of the Fold. My brother is in the latter camp though lol.
Yup. When you can damage the screen by slightly pressing on it with a nail, it’s junk. I really do not see the appeal in buying these new folding phones, at all.
Iv bein rocking these fold/flip phones since the first gen, bein hot or too cold is a definite killer on these devices. The fold is better for this reason since you can use the front screen until the device is normal operating temp. Im in the caribou where iv used it ice fishing or laid in in the snow under the car or even had it welding. If it's open and it's cold, you leave it open till it warms up id almost argue it would be common sence tho that's not a frequent trait of many these days lol 😅. Also I bought my fold 3 used for less then a new contract yeah warranty isn't a thing but I'm already over 3 years so I'd say it wouldn't matter anymore anyways. Always loved your channel Ave you taught me lots about millfukky and cryobi
Just ordered your "shake stumps with danger" shirt. Perfect gift for my son who cut his finger off last year. I would have got it sooner, but it sells out fast!!!
This is not a phone if you have a dirty or laborious job, that is what my work phone is for. I bought a z flip 3 about a week after release. It lasted without fail until my young niece tried bending it the wrong way. It still worked but the crease displayed the same issue shown in this vid. Traded it in for a z flip 5. No issues since i've had it. Love the waterproof rating on it and how compact it gets while still being able to use the front screen for music. Perfect phone for kayaking and camping, even with just a cheap thin case.
Ave, the stickers arrived and I must tell you. These are like the swiss watches of stickers. Made me and a few friends have a good chuckle too! I think my coffee machine is going to need a few of them too
I think the more likely cause of the break is directly to do with the additional layer of material that is the screen protector, if you imagine the screen bending when you fold it without the screen protector, it will take a certain "path", now do the same thing but with the screen protector in place, the protector will want to take the same route the screen did and will push the screen out and stretching it causing the break. If you think of a car axle turning and the wheels moving diffrent distance just on a smaller scale
Got about a year out of my Fold's factory installed screen protector before the air bubbles annoyed me enough to remove it. Made it about another year before the screen started to develop cracks in the crease. Rarely use it unfolded except with a BT keyboard and mouse. The benefit for me is that the Fold's insane weight and brick-like shape have resulted in it being dropped far less often than any other phone I've owned. Or maybe it's just the subconscious knowledge that I paid way too much for it. +1 for adopting a no-case-required durability standard. Even better if we could pull an auto-sync'd spare phone out of a drawer, swap the SIM and go, without needing to talk to a CSR.
Experienced "slippage" with my pixel watch. The back plate is literally just glued on with no mechanical attachment at all. So I took the watch off my wrist and the plate just fell one day. The run around that ensued was infuriating and I eventually got them to send me a refurbished watch for free, despite having paid for a new watch that fell apart under regular use after 4 months.
Thanks for sharing. I've wondered if I've been missing anything. Love my Pixel phones over the years but went with Garmin on my arm for fitness training, primarily running. Mine is zero fashion, but its taken many beatings and has never let me down. That's what I need so it's nice to know I accidentally got it right.
I had a similar run around with Verizon, I now buy my devices directly from Samsung and purchase their warranty (they still use refurbished devices for a replacement with sucks) but there is less run around. Also, Ave must have a poor device. My Samsung fold 4 is fantastic, I'll never go back to the standard form factor.
Yeah I do like the whole folding phone as it fits in the pocket quite nicely, but I don't think I will touch one with folding screen. Much better option to get a closely placed dual screen system going, sure there be a thin seam but at least it last longer.
My material science class just covered linear defects and my thermodynamics class has me lost. Surprisingly, a video titled Samsuck Flip is a good way to review. I better get back to my work
I have been running a Fold 3 for 2.5 years. Only had to change the factory screen protector 3 times. I have no plans to go back to a non folding phone. Also it's only the outer protector that is "glass". When the screen protector is removed the underlying screen is very soft. After all the best tablet you can have is the one in your pocket.
I actually have this phone and am surprised to see it take center stage as one of your videos. Don't know how long your buddy has had his, but I've been using mine for about 3 months now and it's working pretty good. They do make cases for them, but they're not as strong as a normal one since the screen needs to be flush with itself when it closes, but it works fine. The 2 biggest things that have been annoying are the magnets that hold the screen together like collecting metal shavings and a lack of an aux port. Still works good and no glass break. Will update if i remember to, love your videos.
Speaking of time travel. Anytime I accidentally smash my phone or zap it with the welder I just go pick up the cheapest one they have. Every time the fella tries to convince me I need one with a good camera. What he doesnt understand is since I always get the cheapest phone, The cheapest one that is 6 months newer than the last one I had has a gooderer camera than the last. I get an affordable upgrade by living in the past.
A fellow traveler. My latest phone has lasted long enough for the protective glass to not be sold at the store anymore. The case is solid. Motorola stylus 5g.
Me three. Don’t give a shit about technology and work as a boilermaker. When my phone inevitably gets killed, burnt, ground ,dropped or falls into the coolant I go to cash converters and buy the cheapest secondhand Iphone they’ve got. Works a treat every time. This one has so much spatter on the screen, you can use it as a file.
I too have stopped buying expensive phones. Cheap phones are a lot tougher. I'm a builder and I've had my phone for well over a year with no case and no screen protector. I've dropped it on concrete countless times, keep it in my tool belt rubbing up against tools and getting covered in abrasive silica dust, rain, and whatever else. Haven't killed it yet. All the flagship phones I've bought have lasted less than 6 months.
I fix these things. This phone was not meant for builders, out door workers or anyone who gets a bit mucky... keep the screen dirt free and this won't happen. It has a screen protector on it, but once you take it off... it's over.
Watching this on a year old Flip 4 in an Otterbox case... its the only phone I've had in more than a decade that made it past 6 months without a cracked glass.... I work construction and drive float trucks often.... leaning over trailer sides and crawling around when chaining down is what usually cracks my phones.... when this one is folded up in my pocket the glass doesn't wind up pressed up on the edge of anything that would break it.
The screen protector probably put a bunch of extra tension in the surface of the screen thus the catastrophic failure. I believe the metallic foil behind the screen is arnavar. It has very high fatigue resistance. Ideal for folding screens.
Glass is a salt, SiO2 is acidic so soda ash and lime are added as bases, this reduces melt point. If the sodium ions are exchanged for potassium in the glass at temperature below the transition, this induces compressive stress in the surface.
I used to pour concrete and we did a lot of post tension slabs, so I can totally relate to what you’re saying about the glass…….. having said that I still wouldn’t trust that phone 🤣
Wife has had 2 of these. Factory protector layer separates at fold in about 4 months. Apparently the antenna is compromised in this design as well. But it fits in her pocket...
i'm onto the time thing. met some critters in hyperspace once, outside of time, and a year later saw them embroidered in 2000 year old peruvian textiles. so i was convinced at that point.
Destin's video explicitly shows that it's not a rebound effect that causes the second break (though that was Feynman's speculated cause). It's more complex than that, relating to a propagating wave that increases _inward_ curvature at the second break point.
I have some weird ability not to destroy my phone...still rocking the S7, can't remember what year that is from...it's in perfect condition. I could trick somebody into thinking it is new, but it's been my daily driver the whole time. Never had a case. Constantly in my pocket during shop abuse. The only time I broke one is because I fell off the third floor and landed on it. Apparently I do that bounce back thing if you drop me from high enough.
Remember a decade ago when Samsung backtracked the release of their first flip phone because "the tech wasn't ready yet"? The tech isn't ready now, either.
I have a fold 3 and it’s been good for the last couple years. Folding screens is really the only way to get more screen size since they have stopped making them bigger.
I watched this on my Zflip 5 lol. I've had three (the first one, a 4, and this 5) and have had pretty good luck with them. I did have to get the screen replaced on my original but that was my fault. The 4 was perfectly fine but they had a really good trade-in deal for the 5 (brought the cost down to just about $75), and the new hinge design looked much better for screen longevity. My current phone has a few dead pixels at the edges of where the hinges are, but the glass/laminate is doing okay. The factory protector started bubbling up after about a year, so I took it off and have just been raw-dogging it since. My brother had a ZFold 5 and worked at a concrete plant. He abused the hell out of it and had no real issues. Other people it seems they baby them and the screen cracks. Seems like it's kinda luck of the draw.
Thanks uncle bumble! So it's the doing oing oing affectation - fascinating. Looks to me that the screen protector changed the bend-ability at the joint. Probably a combination of the amount of bend radius change plus the plasticity when cold because he added another differently (less) bendable layer that was adhered. TLDR I think the plastic screen protector folded and creased/failed because it was made of (cold) plastic causing the gee whizzy glass to fail trying to bend around the plastic layers crease. Probably would have not happened without the screen protector. Your dissertation on time has merit. The stuff you find on these internets... Now I want to know how that bendy screen works - off to the gargler rabbit hole (-:
I have the Fold 4 and have run into no issues with the big screen that folds. The only issue I have is a good case that protects the hinge mechanism that is on a spring loaded hinge and is magnetic needs to be flipped back real quick so the magnets align right and hold the phone closed enough to use the front screen or it thinks you're still using the big screen. I'm not sure if this is really the future of phones, though. At least the front screen is a good size to use as a normal phone and I can reach all corners with my thumb without having to reposition it in my hand. Big screen is really good for reading on the toilet or showing your friends a video.
Now. As someone who has happened to be from the place NEAR our careful and thoughtful narrator, I would have greatly and very much deservedly appreciated the Halifaxian addition to concrete of shredded up plastic bags to make the substance a little less failure prone. While the bar is probably the obvious choice for the audience, us Durin's folk like the specificity.
for normal shaped Devices, i think the options out there for Metal Bumper Cases, are a nice middleground. they're hardly more than 1mil thick, and just around the edges, so it covers the important stuff like the Corners getting whacked or the Screen scraping on flat surfaces - without really getting in the way of the Device, nor making the bad cooling even worse. i'm all for that style of 'Case', thesedays.
It is.. I have the fold 4 and I have zero complaints. He must have a 1st Gen or maybe a faulty device. The roll out wasn't great, but it's been a few years and the newer Samsung folding phones are so nice.
That looks like a Samsung zFlip 2. We have 2 zFlip 4 in our home and they both work flawlessly for over 1 year now, regardless if it's winter or summer, rainy or dusty. The folding screen technology evolved massively in the past few years.
What you thought was a screen protector is in fact not a screen protector it is a part of that weird glass and you ruined it when you peeled it off. Lol I used to sell phones when this model came out and I sold one to a guy who did that exact same thing when he got into his car and they wouldn't warranty it.
I've had my flip 4 since it came out nearly 1.5 years ago. I did have a slow delamination failure in the crease with the outer layer, but it was covered under warranty. I, sir, do have a case on my flippy phone!
I'd never buy something like this, who would ever expect it to last? You explained how it works so well too. But the fact remains in my mind that bending something back and forth with no hinge is going to eventually fail.
There is actually a thin layer of glass that folds in the screen, but the outer layer and protector are both plastic (JerryRigEverything has great teardown vids that actually show the glass layer)
I am ironically watching this video, on this exact model of phone... which is now on its third screen. I've never cared about using an upgrade. I generally have uses for a phone even after I get a new one. I don't have tech trash, I have project inventory. But this phone.... yeah, it'll be the first one I return back to Samsung or ATT for an "upgrade" back to something that doesn't fold.
Be real. All you really need is to soften it up with a hair dryer. The phone battery will last all day, not sure about the portable hair dryer battery though.
Thanks for looking the thing over. I was just blown away that, while this happened and yes I got duped into buying the shiny thing with the stupid new features, I got sent in 4 different directions on how to get the thing replaced. Between Telus, Samsung, the Insurance Company and the shop I bought it at, none of them wanted to help me. They all tried to pass the buck.
At the end Telus said they would exchange it for something else.
I'm hoping to get my hands on a Nokia 3310
No more bells or whistles for this guy.
I miss your xj vids. I'll be referencing the head gasket one here soon. Still the best jeep repair videos on youtube
I'll be standing right next to you when they come out with the transparent aluminum.
@@sonofmonkeys Thanks! They were a lot of work. I found my fit talking about the news. I love doing it.
I quite like bells. Not such a big fan of whistles though. but bells... or belle's . Yep.
I've got an old 3310, just got to wait more 6 years and the battery will be flat so I can send it to you.
Today I learned about the Doiyoiyoing Effect. Hands up the bestest Physics/Alchemy Classes on the interweb. Thank you professor Bumble.
Springamathing-sprungamuthung 😂
Doiyoiyoing and boobies go good together.
As ave always says, everything is a spring if u think about it.
Thank you for spelling it! I come here to learn and have gained much, but how can I correspond with other people and not look like an idiot when I don't know how to spell the names of the essential forces in nature?
The doioioing effect is why you never dryfire a bow without an arrow.
I think if the spaghetti would snap right in the middle it wouldn't break the second time.
Time exists my friend , I saw it with my own eyes in the library magazine rack.
Time exists because without it everything will happen at once.
According to your own subjective pesonal interpretation of reality
Now the time has come (Time)
There's no place to run (Time)
I might get burned up by the sun (Time)
But I had my fun (Time)
I've been loved and put aside (Time)
I've been crushed by the tumbling tide (Time)
And my soul has been psychedelicized (Time)
time is a thing we need to plan our lives and know how much time have elapsed. So to be able to live. Time a human construct, same as money or currency is a human construct. It exist for a reason, it it didnt have any reason to exist we wouldnt have it or invent it.
TLDR: The pixels stop being friends with the angry pixies when the bender's had enough.
came for the knuckle dragging, stayed for the mind bending time dilation lecture
b 0:50
Came for a ZFlip review, learned that time doesn't exist. Well done!
but of course, you already knew this...
I decided to go explore this statement, and now I don’t exist
Man I miss slapping my clamshell phone shut to hang up on some ding dong that called and ruined my afternoon...
Still can. Cat S22. 4g smart "flip" phone. Leaves a lot to be desired in '24. Would've killed the game in it's day though.
@@bakedveal2624 i just bought a bulk box of sidekick 2's, 75 bucks for 30 of them. should last me the rest of my life.
That's awesome, thanks 👍
"Man I miss slapping my clam[...]" - LucasGarrow (2024)
Your phrasing tickled my funny bone
Still not as satisfying as slamming down the receiver on a Western Electric 2500.
6:24 Such a powerful message. He talks about how glass is drawn, while drawing glass himself.
I filed an insurance claim on my old Motorola One 5g, and they offered me the Razr 2023 as a replacement. Within 3 weeks, the screen starting glitching and strobing out. They sent another replacement and 2 weeks later the same thing happened! There's magnets on each corner to help it stay shut, but they also gather tiny metal chips and particles from my work (cnc operator), which when you close the phone, puncture the screen and break it.
The same problem with AirPods case - the magnets keeping it closed, but there’s always some metallic shmootz
@0326Hambone I'll go you one better. Back in 98 - 00 I worked in a small aerospace firm making parts for c5, c130, and later yf22 parts. Had one of those Tracfone bar phones. Worked at grinding/ deburr table and some how gnat sized shavings of debris would work their way under the battery, in a sealed battery compartment with no openings. And do so without leaving ANY shavings in my pocket. It was if as they teleported inside the phone! Never did figure out how it could be.😮
They will do that. Also scratch the f out of your glasses if you wipe them. I use air duster w.e possible then wipe. Not perfect but I don't have to get new lenses as often.
with a ph like that,, you smell nice & do fk all.. fact.. i dont care if it dances.. i just want a fkn ph.. cant even buy a pie,, a plain pie for fk sake.. or coffee,, 60 zillian brands, types,, i want a fkn coffee.. kill me now...
this ph sht, is the same sht the roswell ufo was made of.. FINALLY,, WE ADVANCE,, ... i digress....
I have used this principle to stack beer cans to the ceiling. You start with a "loose" column of stacked cans. The very last can is twisted so to make a spring between the loose stacked cans and the ceiling. This will cause compression throughout the entire stack. The cans will act like "rope" to the point you can form the stack in different configurations. Flick cigarette butts at it and it will not fail because the stack is under compression.
The layer directly under the screen protector is the capacitive touch sensor layer.
It probably WAS the screen protector that killed it. Either chemically or with that tiny amount of extra leverage on the bend on closing.
Apparently Samsung added it after complaints of the glass getting scratched.
Nope. The screen protector comes mounted from the factory.
On the z flip 5, Samsung applies a screen protector, and says it is not removable. They do advertise 1 free replacement (of the protector, not the screen) if it becomes damaged. I had the 4 and that had a screen protector from factory that was advertised as removable but not recommended. It had bubbling after a few months and I took it off. Later I had cracking in the hinge section. Samsung did replace it under warranty, and I later traded it in for a flip 5. I wonder if I will have the same issues with the 5.
@@GarryDeWitt they do not say it is non removeable. However, they strongly recommend against removing it. Source: am samsung warranty tech
@@arduinoversusevil2025 True. First editions had none, but scratched like a mf'er. Second editions had them and people tried to pull them off and destroyed their screens in doing so. It was hillarious to read about!
But screens have multiple layers, not just those two. So the issue runs deeper.
Small correction, the caesium clocks do not involve radioactivity, but microwaves, it is the frequency of the photon that matches the energy difference between two states of the atom.
Exactly, really makes me question how much this guy actually knows
@@MrPwnageMachine LMAO
Who hurt you?
He never claimed to be an electrical engineer @MrPwnageMachine
I mean technically microwaves can be radiation blagh. It gets complicated. Now I need to drink to put the brain back to sleep.
That was sarcasm gentlemen
When i saw that phone for the first time the only words i could think of was "Work Hardening". it doesn't matter what its made out of, you bend any material enough times its going to become brittle and snap.
Had the same thought. We all know those plastic-single-mold containers where inevitably the lid snaps off.
from what I've seen of these foldy phones, the design doesn't make a proper crease in the display, it's more like a loop
Glass isn't subject to work hardening. Its material properties are very unlike plastics and metals. You'll find that some semi-crystalline and all amorphous plastics tend to exhibit more repeated stress failures than other plastics though - try breaking a polyester (semi-crystalline but generally highly-oriented) water bottle by flexing it repeatedly vs. snapping off its HDPE pop lid hinge. We've all seen similar repeated stress failures in polypropylene, more weakly semi-crystalline, and ABS, amorphous, but again glass is more like good polyester if you want to draw a comparison for fatigue. Polyester with a bi-axially oriented semi-crystalline structure (Mylar brand name) is what's used to make modern drum heads for musical instruments and can be subjected to tens of thousands of wear cycles with almost no degradation unless the drummer exceeds the material's stress limit - wear actually tends to come from the constant tuning stress stretching the material over time or a harder than designed for impact. All that being said, there is clearly a failure mechanism the manufacturer is still working out here, but it's almost certainly not work hardening.
According to Samsung, it's good for 100 openings per day for at least 5 years. I have one because phones today are fucking massive and they don't fit into my motorcycle jacket pockets. So far, mine's fine and dandy.
As long as you stay inside the materials elasticity or is it plasticity it should be fine thats why the wings on an airplane can move up and down so much without breaking.
Go over and you get into work hardening.
I was talked out of one these by the local samsuck dealer as he warned me of the topic at hand. He talked me into a another less sucky brand that does NOT fold and have had zero problems thus far. Thank you phone guy.
I was an early adopter of the Pixel Fold. Had a little sand get behind the screen though the hinge on the back. After opening it one time, that the inner screen wouldn't accept the pixies anymore anymore.
Learned two things that day, don't media blast wearing a hoodie, and don't have an expensive phone. 😂
Don't buy inappropriate tools for the environment... Seems like the real lesson.
I learned that lesson, but it took three watches. I no longer wear watches.
I haven’t been here for a long time. Seeing that stove just brought back a great memory, helpful during a dark time.
“Shit tickets ain’t gonna save you”.
Thanks again buddy.
Son of a Bisquick, the sight of the green healing mat is better than therapy.
What size is the mat?
7 acres
8:20 While one could use radioactive cesium decay to measure time, cesium 133, the isotope commonly used to set my watch, is not radioactive. It's the hyperfine transition frequency that's used as a time standard.
I do not want a folding phone. I want a phone that will survive a good toss across the lab.
But alas, these methods aren’t measuring time, rather time is a measurement or representation of the rate of change. Interestingly, even with a standard for measurement, perception can vary greatly between people. Just ask 100 people to demonstrate with their hands how big 6 inches is.
$25 folding phone from wally's will take a kikking
strange:( the richest man in mehico owns the cheapest phone company in the States😖
I would settle for one that can survive a 3 foot drop onto a hard surface.
@@TheSaltyExplorer yes, when "hands" was clearly stated as the unit of measurement.
@@deaconblooze1 my last two Kyocera Duraforce phones survived multiple 6ft drops/flings to the ground from my lap in a truck seat onto gravel. No auxiliary protective cases or lens covers. The screens are exceptional. The camera lens covers are fragile.
Been using my Flip3 for 2+ years now. I LOVE it. It's so nice to close and just stick it in your pocket.
The factory installed screen protector started to peel after about a year. It was super easy to replace. I hate the Samsung version of Android (I much prefer stock Android), but the hardware itself has been a joy.
My fold 4 is the coolest/best tech purchase I have ever made.
My Flip4 failed at 6 months, was able to trade it in for a Flip5, which also failed at 6 months... garbage products.
Have a flip 3 5g, also 2+ years. Same as you screen protector wore out, replaced it with a softer style one. Works great, abuse it in extremely dirty, dusty environments daily. No issues
Uncle Bumble where are you?? Youre going to need to comment on the bridge collapse and to account for your recent absence.
As soon as I saw these I was like "there is no way in hell that these tings will last".
I had one for 1 year and it was perfect the whole time
@@neoanderson7492 One year isn't very long though, is it?
@@neoanderson7492 My last phone went 8 years and only replaced it due to outdated signal compatibility.
Still on the original battery too, though it was coming due and the only replacements were mystery meat from backwater china.
Land line phones generally lasted many decades even with angry hangups slamming the handset down on the base.
@@neoanderson7492I guess if you're used to replacing your phone every time the newest model comes out, like a good little consumer, then I guess it's perfect for you. Every human being in my life likes to keep their phone around until the manufacturer bricks it with a software update. The phone before this one lasted me 7 years and I'm going on 3 years with this model. If I spend $500 on a device it had god damn better not be designed to fail. I know it's designed to fail because every piece of plastic I've ever put a crease in and folded and unfolded repeatedly has snapped. It doesn't matter if it's designed to fold, that just means it will snap a little later. Give me hinges or give me death
@@FrontSideBusjust enough to last through a warranty. Wonder why is that...
Happy Easter AvE and family! Hope you are well and basking in the sun of some southern sandy beach or an equally enjoyable respite. Looking forward to hearing your meanderings on the Key bridge or the esoteric symbolism of the rising of the sun. Be good.
Ah, the doiyoyong, huan and vietnamese device repair.
Today's episode was a world tour worthy one
I've had a zfold for over 3 years. My wife has had the flip 3 and flip4. I have seen others at my work used the flip for years. I have noticed an interesting pattern that causes the inside folding of the display area to crack. Many had the factory display cover bubble up and would remove it completely. Those that did would often have the inisde crease crack within six to 8 months. I was guilty of the same and satrted to notice my crease in the fold start to crack at the outer edges. At this point, I installed a display cover back, and after over a year, it stopped the cracking from spreading further. I think Samsung should mention that the display cover it comes with isn't just there to protect it from scratching, but it seems to provide some kind of structural support that prevents the center of the display from cracking. Opening it when the device is too cold can also do this. I've used mine multiple times on Prudhoe bay Alaska, but i try not opening it when its extremily cold out.
I got a Flip 3 for free, and it is my most favorite phone ever. That being said, the angle sensor in the hinge crapped out a week out of warranty. It works again after a hacky fix, except the screen randomly shuts off and I have to re-unlock it. Screen itself is still fine though.
I have had my fold 3 for over 2 years now. Has been amazing. No issues. I'm an aircraft mechanic and it's always in my back pocket. The flip is silly. The fold replace a note and iPad mini. Great video, though! Ordered me some stickers. My toolbox is naked and needs some flair.
The flip is for people like me who don't want a long rectangle in their pocket, and prefer the compactness-to-regular-size of the Flip over the regular-to-extra-large of the Fold. My brother is in the latter camp though lol.
It's the linear movement of static elasticity that everyone learned in kindergarten. When the glue snaps back, you eat it.
Come back, we miss you! .... but seriously hope all is well for you and the family!
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@@TripleSuccotash1 .....(applause).....
Arthur Two-Sheds Jackson
I just made that joke, and then checked see if it had been done already. I'd usually delete it, but in this case repeating it is appropriate.
Such a beautiful ramble, I mean explanation from uncle Bumblefork.
I've learnt the most in these wee hours of entropic awareness.
As a phone repair tech. Don't buy folding phones unless you plan on trading it in within 12 months. They are a gimmick for now.
Yup. When you can damage the screen by slightly pressing on it with a nail, it’s junk. I really do not see the appeal in buying these new folding phones, at all.
I just found this page again after some years awesome and happy to see you still making content!!
Iv bein rocking these fold/flip phones since the first gen, bein hot or too cold is a definite killer on these devices. The fold is better for this reason since you can use the front screen until the device is normal operating temp. Im in the caribou where iv used it ice fishing or laid in in the snow under the car or even had it welding. If it's open and it's cold, you leave it open till it warms up id almost argue it would be common sence tho that's not a frequent trait of many these days lol 😅. Also I bought my fold 3 used for less then a new contract yeah warranty isn't a thing but I'm already over 3 years so I'd say it wouldn't matter anymore anyways.
Always loved your channel Ave you taught me lots about millfukky and cryobi
I love my fold 4, sucks AvE got a bad device.
Just ordered your "shake stumps with danger" shirt. Perfect gift for my son who cut his finger off last year. I would have got it sooner, but it sells out fast!!!
I miss my old Motorola flipfone. Pocket sized, droppable, coffee dunkable... texting on it sure was an art, though!
Oh yeah. You could text witout looking. T9 was the shiz
This is not a phone if you have a dirty or laborious job, that is what my work phone is for.
I bought a z flip 3 about a week after release. It lasted without fail until my young niece tried bending it the wrong way. It still worked but the crease displayed the same issue shown in this vid. Traded it in for a z flip 5. No issues since i've had it. Love the waterproof rating on it and how compact it gets while still being able to use the front screen for music. Perfect phone for kayaking and camping, even with just a cheap thin case.
For destructive phone teardowns I really like JerryRigEverything
Ave, the stickers arrived and I must tell you. These are like the swiss watches of stickers. Made me and a few friends have a good chuckle too! I think my coffee machine is going to need a few of them too
"You got the rent money yet?"
And then she was soooo nice. Lawd--she was lovey *dovey*
I think the more likely cause of the break is directly to do with the additional layer of material that is the screen protector, if you imagine the screen bending when you fold it without the screen protector, it will take a certain "path", now do the same thing but with the screen protector in place, the protector will want to take the same route the screen did and will push the screen out and stretching it causing the break. If you think of a car axle turning and the wheels moving diffrent distance just on a smaller scale
Love the Ren and Stimpy reference.
havent watched in a bit you got me with the flipper fone god i miss your humor
glad you are still around ave i am never board of lame tool reviews
7:52 Uh-oh, uncle bumblefork's got into the whiskey again.
Just a lil drinky-poo for courage, Boband.
Got about a year out of my Fold's factory installed screen protector before the air bubbles annoyed me enough to remove it. Made it about another year before the screen started to develop cracks in the crease. Rarely use it unfolded except with a BT keyboard and mouse. The benefit for me is that the Fold's insane weight and brick-like shape have resulted in it being dropped far less often than any other phone I've owned. Or maybe it's just the subconscious knowledge that I paid way too much for it. +1 for adopting a no-case-required durability standard. Even better if we could pull an auto-sync'd spare phone out of a drawer, swap the SIM and go, without needing to talk to a CSR.
Experienced "slippage" with my pixel watch. The back plate is literally just glued on with no mechanical attachment at all. So I took the watch off my wrist and the plate just fell one day. The run around that ensued was infuriating and I eventually got them to send me a refurbished watch for free, despite having paid for a new watch that fell apart under regular use after 4 months.
Thanks for sharing. I've wondered if I've been missing anything. Love my Pixel phones over the years but went with Garmin on my arm for fitness training, primarily running. Mine is zero fashion, but its taken many beatings and has never let me down. That's what I need so it's nice to know I accidentally got it right.
I had a similar run around with Verizon, I now buy my devices directly from Samsung and purchase their warranty (they still use refurbished devices for a replacement with sucks) but there is less run around.
Also, Ave must have a poor device. My Samsung fold 4 is fantastic, I'll never go back to the standard form factor.
Yeah I do like the whole folding phone as it fits in the pocket quite nicely, but I don't think I will touch one with folding screen. Much better option to get a closely placed dual screen system going, sure there be a thin seam but at least it last longer.
My material science class just covered linear defects and my thermodynamics class has me lost. Surprisingly, a video titled Samsuck Flip is a good way to review. I better get back to my work
good luck i did my glass sci classes at alfred ceramics. now i break aluminum.
I have been running a Fold 3 for 2.5 years. Only had to change the factory screen protector 3 times. I have no plans to go back to a non folding phone. Also it's only the outer protector that is "glass". When the screen protector is removed the underlying screen is very soft.
After all the best tablet you can have is the one in your pocket.
May the universe bless the man who can say in 10000 words what could be said in 10!!!
I actually have this phone and am surprised to see it take center stage as one of your videos. Don't know how long your buddy has had his, but I've been using mine for about 3 months now and it's working pretty good. They do make cases for them, but they're not as strong as a normal one since the screen needs to be flush with itself when it closes, but it works fine. The 2 biggest things that have been annoying are the magnets that hold the screen together like collecting metal shavings and a lack of an aux port. Still works good and no glass break. Will update if i remember to, love your videos.
Speaking of time travel. Anytime I accidentally smash my phone or zap it with the welder I just go pick up the cheapest one they have. Every time the fella tries to convince me I need one with a good camera. What he doesnt understand is since I always get the cheapest phone, The cheapest one that is 6 months newer than the last one I had has a gooderer camera than the last. I get an affordable upgrade by living in the past.
A fellow traveler. My latest phone has lasted long enough for the protective glass to not be sold at the store anymore. The case is solid.
Motorola stylus 5g.
Me three. Don’t give a shit about technology and work as a boilermaker. When my phone inevitably gets killed, burnt, ground ,dropped or falls into the coolant I go to cash converters and buy the cheapest secondhand Iphone they’ve got. Works a treat every time. This one has so much spatter on the screen, you can use it as a file.
I too have stopped buying expensive phones. Cheap phones are a lot tougher. I'm a builder and I've had my phone for well over a year with no case and no screen protector. I've dropped it on concrete countless times, keep it in my tool belt rubbing up against tools and getting covered in abrasive silica dust, rain, and whatever else. Haven't killed it yet. All the flagship phones I've bought have lasted less than 6 months.
Started watching Clyde during Convoy. Been watching him ever since. GreaT content!
I fix these things. This phone was not meant for builders, out door workers or anyone who gets a bit mucky... keep the screen dirt free and this won't happen. It has a screen protector on it, but once you take it off... it's over.
Agreed. I love my fold 4.
So, it's not "intended" for normal human operation, just lab conditions : D
My love affair lasted five months😢
@@diapozitīvs if you work in the cleanroom of Intel or globalfoundries you are probably fine with that phone :D
@@martinum4that folding action could be a vector for dust tho : D
Watching this on a year old Flip 4 in an Otterbox case... its the only phone I've had in more than a decade that made it past 6 months without a cracked glass.... I work construction and drive float trucks often.... leaning over trailer sides and crawling around when chaining down is what usually cracks my phones.... when this one is folded up in my pocket the glass doesn't wind up pressed up on the edge of anything that would break it.
The screen protector probably put a bunch of extra tension in the surface of the screen thus the catastrophic failure. I believe the metallic foil behind the screen is arnavar. It has very high fatigue resistance. Ideal for folding screens.
Where is uncle bumblefuq? Hope he and the family are doing well. Miss the tongue tangulation in the shop for what for. Official APB for AvE.
Glass is a salt, SiO2 is acidic so soda ash and lime are added as bases, this reduces melt point.
If the sodium ions are exchanged for potassium in the glass at temperature below the transition, this induces compressive stress in the surface.
I used to pour concrete and we did a lot of post tension slabs, so I can totally relate to what you’re saying about the glass…….. having said that I still wouldn’t trust that phone 🤣
Wife has had 2 of these. Factory protector layer separates at fold in about 4 months. Apparently the antenna is compromised in this design as well. But it fits in her pocket...
i'm onto the time thing. met some critters in hyperspace once, outside of time, and a year later saw them embroidered in 2000 year old peruvian textiles. so i was convinced at that point.
DMT is a helluva drug.
i might have died and got rebooted into a parallel simulation :) @@soul8bounce
Destin's video explicitly shows that it's not a rebound effect that causes the second break (though that was Feynman's speculated cause). It's more complex than that, relating to a propagating wave that increases _inward_ curvature at the second break point.
Don't forget to drink every time he says basal platten. Skål!
skål broder!
Daj Boze!
1000 points for using the correct homonym. Nice job!
I learned so much from Clyde and the Pabst Boys Roadhouse cause I knew nothing about repairing Jeep Cherokees when I bought one years ago :P
I have some weird ability not to destroy my phone...still rocking the S7, can't remember what year that is from...it's in perfect condition. I could trick somebody into thinking it is new, but it's been my daily driver the whole time. Never had a case. Constantly in my pocket during shop abuse.
The only time I broke one is because I fell off the third floor and landed on it. Apparently I do that bounce back thing if you drop me from high enough.
Still have my S7. The battery is getting a bit tired but it still does everything I need it to.
@@warwickscram1656 Yep, only issue is the battery - this is my first phone with a built in battery, I hate that part so much!
Ty for your outlook.. you are a breath of fresh air
Remember a decade ago when Samsung backtracked the release of their first flip phone because "the tech wasn't ready yet"?
The tech isn't ready now, either.
My wife wanted to get one of these. I told her no wait till they have been out a few years. Glad to see it was a battle I was right to pick.
Where is AvE?
Probably enjoying the Spring.
Canada
Canookistan
Hoth
His vids dropped off my feed!
Aww been watching you for years and started watching Clyde during the trucker convoy
Watching AVE while traveling in the west Kootenays. What a novelty! Remarkable these Telus towers actually work.
I have a fold 3 and it’s been good for the last couple years. Folding screens is really the only way to get more screen size since they have stopped making them bigger.
Gentleman! I was finally able to get my own brand new McMaster catalog! Number 130
Wow. Congrats. I've tried
@@broncota2210 I asked years ago and was shot down. Got to keep waiting
@@broncota2210 they're not terribly generous with handing them out. My company does a lot of business with them and we get ONE per year.
It's like Christmas in April!
I watched this on my Zflip 5 lol.
I've had three (the first one, a 4, and this 5) and have had pretty good luck with them. I did have to get the screen replaced on my original but that was my fault. The 4 was perfectly fine but they had a really good trade-in deal for the 5 (brought the cost down to just about $75), and the new hinge design looked much better for screen longevity. My current phone has a few dead pixels at the edges of where the hinges are, but the glass/laminate is doing okay. The factory protector started bubbling up after about a year, so I took it off and have just been raw-dogging it since.
My brother had a ZFold 5 and worked at a concrete plant. He abused the hell out of it and had no real issues. Other people it seems they baby them and the screen cracks. Seems like it's kinda luck of the draw.
I need an AVE bridge collapse video now!
Ave, the only person who can increase my attention by saying “let me draw you a diagram”. 😂
True story
"Time doesn't exist": AvE. "AvE doesn't exist": Time.
Thanks uncle bumble! So it's the doing oing oing affectation - fascinating. Looks to me that the screen protector changed the bend-ability at the joint. Probably a combination of the amount of bend radius change plus the plasticity when cold because he added another differently (less) bendable layer that was adhered. TLDR I think the plastic screen protector folded and creased/failed because it was made of (cold) plastic causing the gee whizzy glass to fail trying to bend around the plastic layers crease. Probably would have not happened without the screen protector. Your dissertation on time has merit. The stuff you find on these internets... Now I want to know how that bendy screen works - off to the gargler rabbit hole (-:
AvE you good bud?
The added banter is likely just compliments of vitamin B (Cariboo Genuine).
I have the Fold 4 and have run into no issues with the big screen that folds. The only issue I have is a good case that protects the hinge mechanism that is on a spring loaded hinge and is magnetic needs to be flipped back real quick so the magnets align right and hold the phone closed enough to use the front screen or it thinks you're still using the big screen. I'm not sure if this is really the future of phones, though. At least the front screen is a good size to use as a normal phone and I can reach all corners with my thumb without having to reposition it in my hand. Big screen is really good for reading on the toilet or showing your friends a video.
Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. ;)
Now. As someone who has happened to be from the place NEAR our careful and thoughtful narrator, I would have greatly and very much deservedly appreciated the Halifaxian addition to concrete of shredded up plastic bags to make the substance a little less failure prone. While the bar is probably the obvious choice for the audience, us Durin's folk like the specificity.
Just checking in on the only Canadian I like. I hope you're alive and busy.
Came here for the same thing. Cough twice if you're in danger uncle bumblef#ck
There are actually cases for folding phones, even some that have a little springy flap that protects the hinge when closed.
Hope everyone is having a blessed day
You too!❤🙏🏻
for normal shaped Devices, i think the options out there for Metal Bumper Cases, are a nice middleground. they're hardly more than 1mil thick, and just around the edges, so it covers the important stuff like the Corners getting whacked or the Screen scraping on flat surfaces - without really getting in the way of the Device, nor making the bad cooling even worse.
i'm all for that style of 'Case', thesedays.
Just realised... it's been a while. Hope all is well in the frozen sh1thole of Hoth.
BEST COMBINATION OF INFORMATION AND ENTERTAINMENT I'VE FOUND.
I really want this to be a thing, but the tech just isn't there yet :(
It is.. I have the fold 4 and I have zero complaints. He must have a 1st Gen or maybe a faulty device. The roll out wasn't great, but it's been a few years and the newer Samsung folding phones are so nice.
That looks like a Samsung zFlip 2.
We have 2 zFlip 4 in our home and they both work flawlessly for over 1 year now, regardless if it's winter or summer, rainy or dusty. The folding screen technology evolved massively in the past few years.
I'm watching this with a phone I bought 2 days ago while looking at the new flip phone phones and decide to keep it old school. I'm glad I did
What you thought was a screen protector is in fact not a screen protector it is a part of that weird glass and you ruined it when you peeled it off. Lol
I used to sell phones when this model came out and I sold one to a guy who did that exact same thing when he got into his car and they wouldn't warranty it.
They do make cases for folding phones. My folding z flip has held up well. Ive had it for 4 years and havent had any issues so far.
Did you take mushrooms and fall asleep watching Carl Sagan's Cosmos again?
I've had my flip 4 since it came out nearly 1.5 years ago. I did have a slow delamination failure in the crease with the outer layer, but it was covered under warranty.
I, sir, do have a case on my flippy phone!
There's an ungodly buzz in the background. I spent several minutes trying to track it down only to realize it was coming from the video. 😂
Don't hear a buzz on my end.
I heard it too.
@@pfadivaMight be more noticeable with headphones. Not really a buzz, more of a high-pitched whine.
Either PWM or nasty fluorescent fixtures.
@@ExaltedUriel
I’m using a gen 1 steam powered iPad with kitten chewed earphones, and I can’t hear a buzz. 🤷
Clicked on to get a peek under the petticoat.
Left wanting to re-read Story of Your Life.
Thanks as always AvE!
"Feathers on the same bird". Golden on blue.
Rebloodlicans and Democrips.
@@jonanderson5137 ive never heard that but its still hilarious. sadly theyre all actually the same gang, and thats the real problem
I'd never buy something like this, who would ever expect it to last? You explained how it works so well too. But the fact remains in my mind that bending something back and forth with no hinge is going to eventually fail.
The whole screen is plastic. That's the big deal about OLED. That is the factory protector, you're not supposed to pull that one off.
There is actually a thin layer of glass that folds in the screen, but the outer layer and protector are both plastic (JerryRigEverything has great teardown vids that actually show the glass layer)
I am ironically watching this video, on this exact model of phone... which is now on its third screen. I've never cared about using an upgrade. I generally have uses for a phone even after I get a new one. I don't have tech trash, I have project inventory. But this phone.... yeah, it'll be the first one I return back to Samsung or ATT for an "upgrade" back to something that doesn't fold.
Just like spaghetti, You need to immerse the phone into a pot of boiling water.
I hope that helps.
yaaaa but then your feed is nothing but italian food
And then through it at the wall to see if it sticks
Be real. All you really need is to soften it up with a hair dryer. The phone battery will last all day, not sure about the portable hair dryer battery though.
This comment isn’t getting the credit it deserves.