I know you’re going to change the channel to more diving and recovery stuff one day but man do I love the marine repair / explanation stuff. The way you do it is so entertaining and informative. Just love that content. There’s my two cents.
Dangar Marine old school. No idea why I enjoy watching Stuey work on an outboard, I never would, but he's got long-time chops and it's just satisfying. A pleasant and educational interlude.
I had a similar problem with my Merc 3.3, not by lack of oil in fuel or a dunking but possibly from inverting the engine while stowing it away, causing a bit of salt water getting in to the crankcase and then on the crankshaft roller bearings. Managed to unseize with lots of spray down the plug hole and in the carby. It ran but very noisy so I ended up stripping it apart and ordered the full parts kit to repair it off ebay. Works like a dream now. It's never too hard to have go at fixing something yourself particularly with the help of Stu's informative videos.
I wish I could give this video a 'super like', Stu. I wish more boat mechanics (and other technicians) were conducting their business and advice like you do. Just solid plans and honesty that will lead to a happy customer in the long run. Thank you.
aerostart a valuable thing to have in the boat, the odd times Ive had to give my grumpy old evinrude a spray, or even others having issues at the ramp, its been so handy to have .
Always heard the name but assumed it was slang - never knew it was an actual product name. Going to have to get my Aussie friend to smuggle some back to the states the next time he goes home!
I'm going to be sharing this video with my customers! I have a lot of customers that just do not understand why I won't work on a lot of older motors. This explains in detail about fixing one thing finding another and then it's just not worth it and then you got an upset customer. I much prefer happy customers over making money any day. Thanks from all the way here from Salt Lake City, UT Danger
Back when I was a teenager (13y.o.) I got a 40HP Mariner two stroke for free. It had sunk in salt water the day before, and I put the motor in fresh water for 2 days before I started to "revive" it. Needed new coils and plugs + some o-rings. Total cost for repair was around $120. Needless to say I had lots of fun with that motor, upgrading from a 10hp Chrysler outboard. Great video. Looking forward to seeing the bearing repair.
Great to see you do a video going back to your roots. I think a lot of us subscribed you back in the days when you were doing marine repair in the shop. Great video
This was what got me caught way back when you started filmen from your home. You really have a way with repairing and teaching about outbaords. And I can see that I am not the only one that loved that you made a outboard vid again. I loved the hole Renko jurney, It was great, but I sure do miss those outboard magical repair vids. With the amount of comments here, I think people are sending you a message :-)
I picked up an old 1990-ish Johnson 30HP last summer. I learn so much from this channel. Thanks for showing so many situations and fixes for motors that are the same or very similar to mine.
Hello to both of you from Washington State USA. Have my self a little bayliner for cruising around the Puget Sound. Love the content! Have a great weekend everyone.
I suspect that Daffy is actually quite smart. Daffy waits for Daisy to do the work, and watches, while Daisy goes in circles not really having a plan. When Daisy has almost by accident made a find, Daffy jumps in. Great video about the outboard btw. I am always keen to learn about small engines. I think you enjoy sharing your knowledge, Stu.
Hmmm. Daffy is black, Daisy is white, no? Like the WB and Disney characters, respectively? Seems to me you have them reversed. Or maybe I'm reading too much into random chicken behavior...seems to me Daffy is the aggressively active one while Daisy hangs back.
Great to see an outboard repair episode again, that how I found you some time ago, I like the floating workshop! Those 2 stroke Yams take some abuse and are the motor of choice for most fishermen that live away from easy access to a service workshop, it will be nice to see it live again.
2 strokes are built way tougher than any 4 joke stroke. Now run a 4 joke with no oil and see how long its lasts. 1 stroke to power it 3 strokes to wear it out.
Good one Stu. It’s good that you explain to your customers when to stop throwing good money after bad and start looking for a replacement. With the auto chook feeder, i wedged the lid open until they work out that’s where the food is. A few days later I added a stone under the lever so at best the food was exposed but they had to overcome their fear of the lid opening to get full access. When they are used to that, then I removed the stone and it’s all good. New chickens quickly learn about the opening lid from watching the older chooks and it will save you a small fortune not feeding every pigeon, myna and rat within 5 kms!
Ty ty. You spoke about things in a great way for me to understand and trust. I have a 1995 evinrude 200 that I forgot 2 stroke oil and ran it for a couple hours then it died. I was able to start it a couple more times confused on why it was dying after just 15 seconds of running. Going to give this a try and pray it is still ok
Wow fantastic info and job all done basically on the water. Very knowledgeable and informative. Some great tips. Locals must be lucky to have you around. Well done.
Thanks my friend...The last Bass Boat l had was a 21 foot Norris Craft with an Johnson Outboard tricked out V8 chopper prop, hydraulic jack plat...That was back in the early 1980's telling my age here a little lol...Take care my friend down under....! TEACHING MISS DAISY....
Getting back to what brought me to your channel a couple years back. Hope you continue to produce informative DIY advice videos. All the best from Florida.
Still pretty amazing how stout and reliable these outboards are. The fact these will still even pop off and run after the abuse is amazing. You run a 2stroke motorbike out of oil and run it untill it stops you can pretty much guarantee your going to do a total top end rebuild at minimum.
Nah, my buddy ran his 2-Stroke bike with an empty oil tank until we could hear the piston SCREAMING as it scraped up and down the bore, while being completely dry. It died while it was idling, and was REAL tight while kick starting it. Ran some premix in it for a tank, along with a full oil tank, then went back to regular fuel, and it ran for years after that.
Another great one. Thanks. The story of this motor was really told at the very beginning when you saw 3 inches of marine growth on the leg. Kind of jealous, you're running around in shorts and a t-shirt and I'm up here in -3 celsius waiting for it to warm up enough to work on my new 1992 Merc powered fishing boat. Cheers!
Small problems need to be fixed ASAP. Because the tilt doesn't work, the leg can't be stowed out of the water so the marine growth covers everything. Since the marine growth covers over the release screw on the leg, the emergency method of tilting the leg is also impossible, which makes working on the motor harder..e.g. the squirt of WD40 to help release the pistons can only soak the bottom edge of the piston..not the top edge.
Glad you came back to the little outboards and diagnose, can't wait to see that yami in pieces 😁 definitely a good thing to do videos of a little bit of all... Never get tired of the mechanical videos, have a nice trip with Renko Stu, cheers from Argentina
You are right about 2 strokes will run again if run without oil in most cases, Stu. Usually the piston skirt which is alloy will expand and just nip up in the bore, you can get some metal transfer but usually this just alloy transfered onto the bore and it doesn't stick permanently.
Yes, I think in this case it was more death by a thousand cuts. I definitely wouldn't open a 2 stroke up until I was confirmed to be dead. Could end up being a big waste of time and money when it can just be run.
Avery time you knock down anything on motors it’s like another holiday for me. Love to watch all your videos, your very talented person, good luck to you, and would like to sponsor your channel. Thanks for all you do
I'm impressed that you got the Butterfly screws out so easy...... Sound advice here about how to go about getting your boat back up and running after a motor pops. The no oil in the fuel was definitely the signature on the death warrant.... Good video....
Thanks John. I pull the rest of the outboard apart this morning to get it into liftable sized chunks I could carry. I was amazing nothing else was seized either. I was really expecting the driveshaft to seized into the crankshaft but slid right out.
Found this video very interesting. I've owned several outboards (between 65 and 100hp) and have had really good luck with them. Prefer them to inboards, truth be told. But I'm not running in salt water conditions so don't have those wear problems. And never run one out of oil. It was interesting to watch the diagnosis process and see the conclusions. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
@@DangarMarine I'll tell you a funny one - last summer my dad was having trouble with his 75 horse. Was starving for fuel. We pulled the carb and did a rebuild even though it seemed fine. No luck. The pump seemed to pull fine, but still every time we powered up on the water it would run great fora minute and then starve out. We were completely stumped. Finally (after several adventures) we figured out that the plastic fuel tank was bad - the air valve was stuck shut so it would air lock after a bit. Replaced the tank and everything was golden. Had to laugh - a five minute fix, if we'd only known.....
I found a yami 15 smoker sunk down in the USVI. Didn't even pickle it, and it ran hard for a year before the bearings went. So impressed I bought a new one before I got back to the states, where they were just banned. Still got my 8hp yami two stroke.....20 years later. Can't stand 4 strokes for portables.
Hi Stu this is exactly what happened to the motor on my boat, same noises and all. Caused by faulty low oil tank sensor. $3,000 plus many beers and it was better than new.
2-stroke no oil = piston and jug set to me. Worked for a rental company. One of the part time employees [I named him Paperweight] sent out a chainsaw with straight gas, when the customer brought it back Paperweight thought it needed a carb adjustment so he gave the customer the other chainsaw, the customer still had the same gas can. On the up side the older Makita were easy to swap piston/jugs.
Very cool, I love watching people go through the diagnostic process, simple symptoms with hundreds of potential root causes. Interesting that the lack of oil appeared to be the nail in the coffin as that outboard clearly had a hard life.
I love watching your video's, you take the time that 99% of people won't take to spend and talk about what your thinking or on anything your doing. It's great 👍👍
2strokes are simple, and thus reliable. I had a 2HPSuzuki that sounded like it was about to explode when I acquired it and sold it with the yacht 12 years later. Still sounding like on it's last gasp, after almost daily use for 10 of those years. Indestructable!
Stu loved the new video.I’ve missed your outboard videos and looking forward to the next one.I just put new rings and honed the cylinders in my Yamaha 55H .runs perfectly now.
I stumbled upon Marvel Mystery Oil (oil or fuel additive) when trying to unseize an 800cc motorcycle engine that had been sitting in a shed for 16 years. Amazing result! I think this is my first comment after watching and lurking all these years. Adelaide SA
Good effort! I'm still running my old second-hand 1992 Mercury 2.5L 200 HP for the past 10+ years (pre-mix by me). Three trips from my harbor over an hour to Liberty Island (NY)! EDIT: I have a Tow insurance membership, knock on wood!
Hey there again from WY, USA, I know this may sound really dumb, but that's ok because I'm a Chicken aficionado from way back! Thank you SO MUCH for concluding your videos with a kind of 'Feathered Update' showing what's up with the latest from your girls! Daisy, Daffy, and I can't remember the last girl's name right now, ALWAYS just make my day when I get to hear them talking to you, responding to what you're giving them, it's easy to see how much superb personalities the girls have! Glad your Detroit is back in; being big time landlocked in the middle of the Rockies (the High Plains Desert portion), I'm really looking forward to see you doing some diving and some actual SUCCESSFUL fishing (it's that landlocked thing coming through again for salt water fishing), including some shrimping/crabbing.........yes, despite my horrible health issues, I'm still a professional Fat Man still looking for his next Quality Meal! Take care, stay safe, and thanks for this video; I literally grew up in a Wrecking Yard (raised by my grandfolks, who owned a wrecking yard and our house was on the property) so I learned to do a LOT of what you're doing on 2 strokes, forer than the 4 stroke engines of my own rigs, and the Yard Rigs (the Torch Rigs.....the junkers we kept going to use to carry the Oxy/Acety bottles to cut out rear ends, motor mounts, bolt heads for exhaust manifolds, etc. Brings back a lot of memories; some good some bad (doing the Hot Slag Dance when a piece managed to find its way into your coveralls, DESPITE them being zipped up/buttoned up and your neck collar so tight you had trouble breathing). This is the experience that lead me to comment to you during your initial Rebuild Process to go ahead and but NEW Drive Bearings into your gearbox rather than just giving the existing bearings a 'good going over'........I believe the example I used was a storm bearing down on you, no one near enough to help you before the storm got there, and while the engine would be running great, you simply couldn't get her into gear.............growing up in a wrecking yard gives you a certain perspective on just how BAD things can go wrong (like the main SEAL on the Main Hydraulic Shaft on a 15,000 lb capacity Hyster forklift fails and you've got a 5000lb plus 55 Caddy on the forks and its up in the air so you can get UNDER it and take off parts........those kinds of scenarios..... Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY, USA
Thanks mate, glad you enjoy the feathered friends outro. Dotty was the other chicken but unfortunately she isn't with us anymore. I too am glad the gearbox got fully rebuild and tested on the dyno before going back into the boat. It's nice to have confidence in the full driveline now.
Stu, you consistently put out some of the best stuff available on the internet! I get much satisfaction supporting your efforts on Pateron and I'll continue watch regardless of whatever direction you take YOUR channel. It was your wonderful teaching style, clear and thorough outboard diagnostic & repair videos you produced that first caught my attention. Thank you for making this video, it was fun watching you temporarily resurrect this Yamaha 40.
That was great Stu, The Chicks will soon learn where the food is available. Liking the all aspects of marine repairs and boats. Good going Stu, Jeff in LA USA
Glad to see some outboard work. I first found your channel looking for outboard help. The cost-benefit discussion of outboard repair very helpful. Sounds like you plan to repair it for you-tube purposes. Would be great if you kept track of work hours to do this job. Thanks!
Yes, making the vids does very much influence the descision. Sounds like this model may not have replaceable bearings so the cost of the parts may end up being a blocker.
I have an old 1970's Evinrude 9.5 what they called a Sportwin. It was used when I bought it so had an uncertain history. Someone else borrowed it and while carrying it from a tinnie to a car, turned it up side-down and spilled saltwater back into the bores. I always used to stand the motor upright, tilt the motor rearwards and to left and start it for a few seconds on the remaining fuel in the bowl to blow out the exhaust box before loading it into a car boot left side down. The head had to come off and it took quite a bit of dieseline, oil, a wooden drift and a lot of patient light rapping around the circle of the pistons upon the drift with a small malllet to gradually work the pistons free enough to uncover enough of the bores to clean. They were only very lightly bloomed but pistons wedged stiff by the jammed rings I guess. After closing it back up again it worked fine but became just a little slappy, I am guessing after the rings worked free. It still runs. To give it a bit of help, I ran it with a more generous dose of oil in the fuel and took my chances with the plugs fouling and the mixture being wrong. It did got get any worse. I was fascinated by the use of teflon non-stick coatings in the water jacket and chambers of the head. For what they are I was amazed at how much of a thrashing they take just in normal use. I was told it should not be babied or it would deteriorate. Eventually the resin in the ignition coils broke down and that was the end of the spark. The design work for the ignition system was not good. The old coils and the new coils were an interference against the reliefs in the casting intended to clear them and come under destructive pressure when the bolts are tightened as I found out the hard way. It is probably now almost a heritage object.
Bit sad in a way that 2 strokes are being phased out. They are virtually indestructible. Some Oil, a spray of Start Ya Bastard and some fencing wire and I reckon you could repair any 2 stroke - regardless of what happened to it. There are so many outboards around Scotland Island still going strong that have been sent to the bottom after a big southerly then retrieved days later and revived after some oily love. Thanks for this video Stu
you almost always see the worst scoring by the exhaust ports because they are the ones that have the most heat. those borescopes always magnify the damage... if you look at it with the head off won't seem as bad, but yea this one needs a bore and hone. piston skirts shot. probably 40% leakdown ha. thanks for the video!
Thank you for the video - you helped me save a 20HP Mercury that seized after being run on straight gas in NW Ontario, Canada. Works great in the driveway now (with the water muffs on) - assume it will work when we get it back in the water - although not sure for how long. I'll have to watch a few more of your videos to learn some maintenance tips.
13:10 It's dirty but you can hone the bores with the pistons installed. All you're trying to do is break the sharp edges off the scars in the bore. After you need to flush the heck out of it, do everything you can to remove any residual ceramic abrasive. While you've got the head off you can also feel if there's massively excessive clearance in the rod bearings.
Yep, taking those sharp edges off does make a huge difference. As you say, just keep flushing all the abrasive out until you are 100% sure it's clean and hasn't just gone down the ports into the crankcase.
I did exactly this with a Johnson Outboard that severely overheated. It was a V4 Model and one bank melted the cylinder head. No biggy !! I resurfaced the block surface with a block and sandpaper, sanded and the cylinder bores a little bit with sand paper, flushed flushed flushed with 2 stroke oil to clean out the sand and debris. Cleaned scavenging ports from debris, resurfaced a spare cylinder head I had from another 2 stroke. Put it together, poured premix in the cylinders, BOOM 💥. There she went. Ran it, granted I did a full tune up, washed the whole engine replaced the melted stator, put a spare timing trigger on, new plugs, new premix gas, rebuilt the carbs. Made new gaskets for the carbs. She works like new, re torqued the head bolts after some use. Still Runs !!!!!! The trash engine was brought back to life
If I’m working on stuff outside the boat with a risk of losing it I try to attach a lanyard to the tool and my wrist. Especially if I’m at sea and replacement tools aren’t easily obtainable.
Good work. Diesel is a good freeing/penetrating oil. Agree with getting it going and seeing what happens. I'd have tried for more smoke.... As in chuck more 2 stroke oil in than you did, but that's me. Easy mistake to run without oil. Used to worry me every time I filled up my 2 stroke motorbikes.
Stu When I worked over at the speed and marine shop , we got plenty of those brought in. And yeah sometimes you end up eating some labor when the customer just leaves it and never calls back.😳
That's it, you put hours in and then they just give up on the engine when they hear what it is likely to cost. If you are lucky there are a few useful parts in it.
Hi Stu, I was so excited to see this one pop up. Was surprised to see it spin with the wrench. Then after the compression check was thinking the owner is lucky on this one. But when you said it's a lost cause I thought that was it. Then at the end looks like the bearings may be replaced to save it still? Looking forward to that video. Boat sales are up here big time which is odd with so many people out of work. Used cars are also hot right now. Crazy
From one Outboard Mechanic to another I have to say, you have balls working on the boat in the water. I would have dropped tools and nuts and bolts in the water, or even better, I would have fallen in the water. lol
@@DangarMarine I own a boat repair business in KY. I have a 30x40 Ft. Shop and I have my customers bring their boats to me. I get a lot of Bass Boats and Pontoon boats. I see everything from 9.9HP - 250.HP. Occasionally I work on I/O Boats. The best part is these are all fresh water boats.....No salt!
Also I am converting an old 1993 tiller Yamaha 25 to electric start. It has the main bracket and some other parts from factory. I have to add solenoid and rectifier and bracket. Would like to know where the neutral safety switch plate goes. Can’t find where it bolts to in the schematics. Thanks.
This is why you should work on your own outboards. Do the basics , water pump, carburetor, voltage etc. you'll be ahead of the game but when they're done they're done. BTW do you know Thatboatguy's channel? Dude finds all the outboards on the cheap and gets them to run almost all the time.
I know you’re going to change the channel to more diving and recovery stuff one day but man do I love the marine repair / explanation stuff. The way you do it is so entertaining and informative. Just love that content. There’s my two cents.
I'm sure he will break plenty of stuff while diving and using the boat in general.
@@ryanp0342 boats are forever falling apart, there will be repairs to come..
second that
The repair side of things is why I watch this channel
Should change to more of a chicken channel IMO.
Such a pleasure to watch someone that actually understands engines and what they need to keep running. Good work!
Thanks mate.
Dangar Marine old school. No idea why I enjoy watching Stuey work on an outboard, I never would, but he's got long-time chops and it's just satisfying. A pleasant and educational interlude.
Thanks mate. :)
I had a similar problem with my Merc 3.3, not by lack of oil in fuel or a dunking but possibly from inverting the engine while stowing it away, causing a bit of salt water getting in to the crankcase and then on the crankshaft roller bearings. Managed to unseize with lots of spray down the plug hole and in the carby. It ran but very noisy so I ended up stripping it apart and ordered the full parts kit to repair it off ebay. Works like a dream now. It's never too hard to have go at fixing something yourself particularly with the help of Stu's informative videos.
I wish I could give this video a 'super like', Stu. I wish more boat mechanics (and other technicians) were conducting their business and advice like you do. Just solid plans and honesty that will lead to a happy customer in the long run. Thank you.
"Shift ya Bastard", would never be sold in America, totally need to get some of that.
They make a "Start ya Bastard" also
Yeah even if you never needed it, it would be great just to have it on the shelf !
aerostart a valuable thing to have in the boat, the odd times Ive had to give my grumpy old evinrude a spray, or even others having issues at the ramp, its been so handy to have .
Always heard the name but assumed it was slang - never knew it was an actual product name. Going to have to get my Aussie friend to smuggle some back to the states the next time he goes home!
I never heard of it either. I busted out laughing when he said it and I saw the name on the can🤣
Stu I appreciate the incite as to why the old outboard is just a money whole. More shop owners need to be honest like you.
Thanks Don. :)
I'm going to be sharing this video with my customers! I have a lot of customers that just do not understand why I won't work on a lot of older motors. This explains in detail about fixing one thing finding another and then it's just not worth it and then you got an upset customer. I much prefer happy customers over making money any day. Thanks from all the way here from Salt Lake City, UT Danger
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Stu, the Adrian of outboards.
You must be everybody's best mate on the island.
You get a few calls...
@@DangarMarine Been there, done that ;)
@@DangarMarine sorry about that mate lol
Back when I was a teenager (13y.o.) I got a 40HP Mariner two stroke for free. It had sunk in salt water the day before, and I put the motor in fresh water for 2 days before I started to "revive" it. Needed new coils and plugs + some o-rings. Total cost for repair was around $120. Needless to say I had lots of fun with that motor, upgrading from a 10hp Chrysler outboard. Great video. Looking forward to seeing the bearing repair.
Great to see you do a video going back to your roots. I think a lot of us subscribed you back in the days when you were doing marine repair in the shop. Great video
Thanks mate, appreciate you staying all this time. :)
This was what got me caught way back when you started filmen from your home. You really have a way with repairing and teaching about outbaords. And I can see that I am not the only one that loved that you made a outboard vid again. I loved the hole Renko jurney, It was great, but I sure do miss those outboard magical repair vids. With the amount of comments here, I think people are sending you a message :-)
Thanks mate, more outboard vids to come!
I picked up an old 1990-ish Johnson 30HP last summer. I learn so much from this channel. Thanks for showing so many situations and fixes for motors that are the same or very similar to mine.
hey Stu loved saying hi in pittwater last weekend. great to see u out there enjoying the conditions.
Hello to both of you from Washington State USA. Have my self a little bayliner for cruising around the Puget Sound. Love the content! Have a great weekend everyone.
It was a great weekend to be out on the water. :)
@@DangarMarine yeah i agree. my sonar said that the water was 27 degrees like wtf
Good to see you finally back on small boat stuff.
Thinking of doing a few each month this year.
@@DangarMarine Excellent, I still like Renko :)
Stu the Wizard....you are the absolute guru on the mechanics of a boat motor.
I suspect that Daffy is actually quite smart. Daffy waits for Daisy to do the work, and watches, while Daisy goes in circles not really having a plan. When Daisy has almost by accident made a find, Daffy jumps in. Great video about the outboard btw. I am always keen to learn about small engines. I think you enjoy sharing your knowledge, Stu.
Hmmm. Daffy is black, Daisy is white, no? Like the WB and Disney characters, respectively? Seems to me you have them reversed. Or maybe I'm reading too much into random chicken behavior...seems to me Daffy is the aggressively active one while Daisy hangs back.
Yes, Daffy definitely rules the roost.
@@MargaretLeber Yes, I got the names mixed up.
Great to see an outboard repair episode again, that how I found you some time ago, I like the floating workshop! Those 2 stroke Yams take some abuse and are the motor of choice for most fishermen that live away from easy access to a service workshop, it will be nice to see it live again.
Thanks mate. Actually filmed three different outboard repair videos last month, just need time to edit up all the footage!
2 strokes are built way tougher than any 4 joke stroke. Now run a 4 joke with no oil and see how long its lasts. 1 stroke to power it 3 strokes to wear it out.
I know nothing about motors/engines but I enjoyed watching the whole thing. Thanks!
Awesome, thank you!
Whoohooo got my T-shirts today, now i am a real Dangar Marine tech when working on my boat 😎😎
Thanks for supporting the channel!
Been wearing my hoodie for years and people still ask "what's danger machine"?
ITS DANGAR MARINE!
Good one Stu. It’s good that you explain to your customers when to stop throwing good money after bad and start looking for a replacement. With the auto chook feeder, i wedged the lid open until they work out that’s where the food is. A few days later I added a stone under the lever so at best the food was exposed but they had to overcome their fear of the lid opening to get full access. When they are used to that, then I removed the stone and it’s all good. New chickens quickly learn about the opening lid from watching the older chooks and it will save you a small fortune not feeding every pigeon, myna and rat within 5 kms!
Yep, I've been doing something a bit similar. First step is definitely to leave it open so they learn that food is in there.
Ty ty. You spoke about things in a great way for me to understand and trust. I have a 1995 evinrude 200 that I forgot 2 stroke oil and ran it for a couple hours then it died. I was able to start it a couple more times confused on why it was dying after just 15 seconds of running. Going to give this a try and pray it is still ok
Good luck!
Wow fantastic info and job all done basically on the water. Very knowledgeable and informative. Some great tips. Locals must be lucky to have you around. Well done.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks my friend...The last Bass Boat l had was a 21 foot Norris Craft with an Johnson Outboard tricked out V8 chopper prop, hydraulic jack plat...That was back in the early 1980's telling my age here a little lol...Take care my friend down under....! TEACHING MISS DAISY....
Sounds like a beast!
@@DangarMarine It was many years ago now....l am 81 years now..Thanks
Getting back to what brought me to your channel a couple years back. Hope you continue to produce informative DIY advice videos. All the best from Florida.
More to come!
Still pretty amazing how stout and reliable these outboards are. The fact these will still even pop off and run after the abuse is amazing. You run a 2stroke motorbike out of oil and run it untill it stops you can pretty much guarantee your going to do a total top end rebuild at minimum.
They sure are tough!
Nah, my buddy ran his 2-Stroke bike with an empty oil tank until we could hear the piston SCREAMING as it scraped up and down the bore, while being completely dry. It died while it was idling, and was REAL tight while kick starting it. Ran some premix in it for a tank, along with a full oil tank, then went back to regular fuel, and it ran for years after that.
Scary Stuff working on motor in water! Stuff often gets dropped! Cheers once again from Canada!
Cheers!
No worries, You add that to the final bill & the customer pays.
Another great one. Thanks. The story of this motor was really told at the very beginning when you saw 3 inches of marine growth on the leg. Kind of jealous, you're running around in shorts and a t-shirt and I'm up here in -3 celsius waiting for it to warm up enough to work on my new 1992 Merc powered fishing boat. Cheers!
Small problems need to be fixed ASAP. Because the tilt doesn't work, the leg can't be stowed out of the water so the marine growth covers everything. Since the marine growth covers over the release screw on the leg, the emergency method of tilting the leg is also impossible, which makes working on the motor harder..e.g. the squirt of WD40 to help release the pistons can only soak the bottom edge of the piston..not the top edge.
Glad you came back to the little outboards and diagnose, can't wait to see that yami in pieces 😁 definitely a good thing to do videos of a little bit of all... Never get tired of the mechanical videos, have a nice trip with Renko Stu, cheers from Argentina
Thanks Martin!
I don’t even have a boat anymore and I still love watching you videos for mechanic tips, awesome how you explain theories and techniques!!
Awesome! Thank you!
You are right about 2 strokes will run again if run without oil in most cases, Stu. Usually the piston skirt which is alloy will expand and just nip up in the bore, you can get some metal transfer but usually this just alloy transfered onto the bore and it doesn't stick permanently.
Yes, I think in this case it was more death by a thousand cuts. I definitely wouldn't open a 2 stroke up until I was confirmed to be dead. Could end up being a big waste of time and money when it can just be run.
Your conclusion and story is reminder for all of us! Thanks for your candor and honesty.
It was almost poetic to see you doing your general marine repairs aboard Renko. I always, immensely, enjoy your videos. Thanks mate.
Thanks mate. It sure beats lugging outboards up to the house.
Avery time you knock down anything on motors it’s like another holiday for me. Love to watch all your videos, your very talented person, good luck to you, and would like to sponsor your channel. Thanks for all you do
I'm impressed that you got the Butterfly screws out so easy...... Sound advice here about how to go about getting your boat back up and running after a motor pops. The no oil in the fuel was definitely the signature on the death warrant.... Good video....
Thanks John. I pull the rest of the outboard apart this morning to get it into liftable sized chunks I could carry. I was amazing nothing else was seized either. I was really expecting the driveshaft to seized into the crankshaft but slid right out.
Found this video very interesting. I've owned several outboards (between 65 and 100hp) and have had really good luck with them. Prefer them to inboards, truth be told. But I'm not running in salt water conditions so don't have those wear problems. And never run one out of oil. It was interesting to watch the diagnosis process and see the conclusions. Great job. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it.
@@DangarMarine I'll tell you a funny one - last summer my dad was having trouble with his 75 horse. Was starving for fuel. We pulled the carb and did a rebuild even though it seemed fine. No luck. The pump seemed to pull fine, but still every time we powered up on the water it would run great fora minute and then starve out. We were completely stumped. Finally (after several adventures) we figured out that the plastic fuel tank was bad - the air valve was stuck shut so it would air lock after a bit. Replaced the tank and everything was golden. Had to laugh - a five minute fix, if we'd only known.....
I love your outboard repair videos I’ve learned so much from you over the years. Cheers from Texas
Glad to help! :_
I found a yami 15 smoker sunk down in the USVI. Didn't even pickle it, and it ran hard for a year before the bearings went. So impressed I bought a new one before I got back to the states, where they were just banned. Still got my 8hp yami two stroke.....20 years later. Can't stand 4 strokes for portables.
Hi Stu this is exactly what happened to the motor on my boat, same noises and all. Caused by faulty low oil tank sensor.
$3,000 plus many beers and it was better than new.
Ah, that's right, I remember when you did that rebuild. A great success! :)
I love how you have a floating mobile workshop now!! i remember when these types of videos were everyday you have come a long way my friend......
Thanks mate. I am really enjoying being able to work on the boats from Renko. Much easier than lugging everything up the hill.
2-stroke no oil = piston and jug set to me. Worked for a rental company. One of the part time employees [I named him Paperweight] sent out a chainsaw with straight gas, when the customer brought it back Paperweight thought it needed a carb adjustment so he gave the customer the other chainsaw, the customer still had the same gas can. On the up side the older Makita were easy to swap piston/jugs.
You gave a 100% try is all you could do. Thanks for the content.
I appreciate that!
really liked the video with the borescope and how he takes the time to explain his process and thoughts.
The outboard vids are my favorite
Very cool, I love watching people go through the diagnostic process, simple symptoms with hundreds of potential root causes. Interesting that the lack of oil appeared to be the nail in the coffin as that outboard clearly had a hard life.
I love watching your video's, you take the time that 99% of people won't take to spend and talk about what your thinking or on anything your doing. It's great 👍👍
I really miss these short instructional outboard videos. Fantastic content more like this please
2strokes are simple, and thus reliable. I had a 2HPSuzuki that sounded like it was about to explode when I acquired it and sold it with the yacht 12 years later. Still sounding like on it's last gasp, after almost daily use for 10 of those years.
Indestructable!
They do sound a bit that way some times!
Stu loved the new video.I’ve missed your outboard videos and looking forward to the next one.I just put new rings and honed the cylinders in my Yamaha 55H .runs perfectly now.
Nice one!
I stumbled upon Marvel Mystery Oil (oil or fuel additive) when trying to unseize an 800cc motorcycle engine that had been sitting in a shed for 16 years. Amazing result! I think this is my first comment after watching and lurking all these years. Adelaide SA
I have heard it's great stuff, must find some one day. Thanks for commenting! :)
Good effort! I'm still running my old second-hand 1992 Mercury 2.5L 200 HP for the past 10+ years (pre-mix by me). Three trips from my harbor over an hour to Liberty Island (NY)! EDIT: I have a Tow insurance membership, knock on wood!
Hope you don't ever need to use the insurance!
@@DangarMarine Me too, but with a single older outboard an eventual breakdown isn't out of the question!
Enjoy your rebuild on the 2 stroke. Great stuff.
Thank you!
Looking forward to the other videos. I have the same engine on my speedboat in the Netherlands.
Hey there again from WY, USA,
I know this may sound really dumb, but that's ok because I'm a Chicken aficionado from way back!
Thank you SO MUCH for concluding your videos with a kind of 'Feathered Update' showing what's up with the latest from your girls! Daisy, Daffy, and I can't remember the last girl's name right now, ALWAYS just make my day when I get to hear them talking to you, responding to what you're giving them, it's easy to see how much superb personalities the girls have!
Glad your Detroit is back in; being big time landlocked in the middle of the Rockies (the High Plains Desert portion), I'm really looking forward to see you doing some diving and some actual SUCCESSFUL fishing (it's that landlocked thing coming through again for salt water fishing), including some shrimping/crabbing.........yes, despite my horrible health issues, I'm still a professional Fat Man still looking for his next Quality Meal!
Take care, stay safe, and thanks for this video; I literally grew up in a Wrecking Yard (raised by my grandfolks, who owned a wrecking yard and our house was on the property) so I learned to do a LOT of what you're doing on 2 strokes, forer than the 4 stroke engines of my own rigs, and the Yard Rigs (the Torch Rigs.....the junkers we kept going to use to carry the Oxy/Acety bottles to cut out rear ends, motor mounts, bolt heads for exhaust manifolds, etc. Brings back a lot of memories; some good some bad (doing the Hot Slag Dance when a piece managed to find its way into your coveralls, DESPITE them being zipped up/buttoned up and your neck collar so tight you had trouble breathing).
This is the experience that lead me to comment to you during your initial Rebuild Process to go ahead and but NEW Drive Bearings into your gearbox rather than just giving the existing bearings a 'good going over'........I believe the example I used was a storm bearing down on you, no one near enough to help you before the storm got there, and while the engine would be running great, you simply couldn't get her into gear.............growing up in a wrecking yard gives you a certain perspective on just how BAD things can go wrong (like the main SEAL on the Main Hydraulic Shaft on a 15,000 lb capacity Hyster forklift fails and you've got a 5000lb plus 55 Caddy on the forks and its up in the air so you can get UNDER it and take off parts........those kinds of scenarios.....
Cheers from the Oil Patch in Central WY, USA
Thanks mate, glad you enjoy the feathered friends outro. Dotty was the other chicken but unfortunately she isn't with us anymore. I too am glad the gearbox got fully rebuild and tested on the dyno before going back into the boat. It's nice to have confidence in the full driveline now.
Awesome to see you back into outboard mechanical .
Stu, you consistently put out some of the best stuff available on the internet! I get much satisfaction supporting your efforts on Pateron and I'll continue watch regardless of whatever direction you take YOUR channel. It was your wonderful teaching style, clear and thorough outboard diagnostic & repair videos you produced that first caught my attention. Thank you for making this video, it was fun watching you temporarily resurrect this Yamaha 40.
Thanks mate. I'm glad you enjoyed the vid and really appreciate your support! :)
Love your work Stu. Technically informative and easy to understand. Will be watching more of your videos.
Awesome, thank you!
Love the outboard repair content. Please do more of these.
Will be doing a few more from now on.
That was great Stu, The Chicks will soon learn where the food is available. Liking the all aspects of marine repairs and boats. Good going Stu, Jeff in LA USA
Yes, they have the motivation to learn so I'm sure they will!
I'm glad you'll be tearing that outboard down, will be very interested in seeing just what did fail (assuming bearings).
Yes, I'm thinking bearings too and looking forward to pulling it apart soon.
Wow, I swear I heard scraping and grinding as you initially spun it by hand. Didn't think it would run, great job!
Yes, it definitely got smoother with a few turns but unfortunately once bearings any pitted they wear out very fast.
What a great episode. Always a joy to watch.
Glad you liked it. :)
Sunday afternoon with a new Dangar Stu video. How good is that?
Enjoy!
Shift, ya bastard!" - only in Australia!
I think hammers in Australia should have "F@%k ya c@#t" engraved on them for when you hit your thumb.
....and the cans of Ether for starting diesel engines is called............Start ya bastard. True story!
Ha! Best product names ever.
Comedy Company - TV show from 1980's
Highlight of the video for me! 🤣
Glad to see some outboard work. I first found your channel looking for outboard help. The cost-benefit discussion of outboard repair very helpful. Sounds like you plan to repair it for you-tube purposes. Would be great if you kept track of work hours to do this job. Thanks!
Yes, making the vids does very much influence the descision. Sounds like this model may not have replaceable bearings so the cost of the parts may end up being a blocker.
Stu
Awesome video on a 2 stroke you need one now pulling a 4 stroke apart
I have an old 1970's Evinrude 9.5 what they called a Sportwin. It was used when I bought it so had an uncertain history. Someone else borrowed it and while carrying it from a tinnie to a car, turned it up side-down and spilled saltwater back into the bores. I always used to stand the motor upright, tilt the motor rearwards and to left and start it for a few seconds on the remaining fuel in the bowl to blow out the exhaust box before loading it into a car boot left side down.
The head had to come off and it took quite a bit of dieseline, oil, a wooden drift and a lot of patient light rapping around the circle of the pistons upon the drift with a small malllet to gradually work the pistons free enough to uncover enough of the bores to clean. They were only very lightly bloomed but pistons wedged stiff by the jammed rings I guess. After closing it back up again it worked fine but became just a little slappy, I am guessing after the rings worked free. It still runs.
To give it a bit of help, I ran it with a more generous dose of oil in the fuel and took my chances with the plugs fouling and the mixture being wrong. It did got get any worse. I was fascinated by the use of teflon non-stick coatings in the water jacket and chambers of the head. For what they are I was amazed at how much of a thrashing they take just in normal use. I was told it should not be babied or it would deteriorate.
Eventually the resin in the ignition coils broke down and that was the end of the spark. The design work for the ignition system was not good. The old coils and the new coils were an interference against the reliefs in the casting intended to clear them and come under destructive pressure when the bolts are tightened as I found out the hard way. It is probably now almost a heritage object.
Bit sad in a way that 2 strokes are being phased out. They are virtually indestructible. Some Oil, a spray of Start Ya Bastard and some fencing wire and I reckon you could repair any 2 stroke - regardless of what happened to it. There are so many outboards around Scotland Island still going strong that have been sent to the bottom after a big southerly then retrieved days later and revived after some oily love. Thanks for this video Stu
They do seem to hang in there, although when the bearings fail like this a four stroke is much cheaper to repair.
you almost always see the worst scoring by the exhaust ports because they are the ones that have the most heat. those borescopes always magnify the damage... if you look at it with the head off won't seem as bad, but yea this one needs a bore and hone. piston skirts shot. probably 40% leakdown ha. thanks for the video!
We get “PB Blaster” you get “Shift Ya Bastard”
Military imagery versus emotional truth.
Thank you for the video - you helped me save a 20HP Mercury that seized after being run on straight gas in NW Ontario, Canada. Works great in the driveway now (with the water muffs on) - assume it will work when we get it back in the water - although not sure for how long. I'll have to watch a few more of your videos to learn some maintenance tips.
Yes the marine repairs are just awesome you explain them so well keep them up
Glad you like them!
You’re a good bloke. Keep up the good work legend.
Much appreciated
Stoked to see an outboard video! We are just heading back into lockdown, so likely going to be getting my Dangar fix.
Hope you enjoy it!
I have a mercury 50 hp 2 stroke 1991 , I do learn a lot of things from you videos , thnx
Great vid Stu, love the refresher on the 2 strokes, always learn a little something from your outboard vids!
Glad you enjoyed it
Man I just love your videos! I love how you talk thru things and share your personal wisdom from years of experience. Thank you so much
Glad you like them!
Good ol dangar....... givin people the old 2 stroke pulla
I love these videos so interesting an exsplains everything.Dont stop doing these plz.I try to watch all!!😮
you guys have a can called shift ya bastard! love it
Not only that, but also "start ya, bastard".
@@grunthostheflatulent9649 Stu forgot to spray the motor with "Be fixed, ya bastard!"
Nice to see another outboard video mate. Love the 2 strokes
Glad you enjoyed!
13:10 It's dirty but you can hone the bores with the pistons installed. All you're trying to do is break the sharp edges off the scars in the bore. After you need to flush the heck out of it, do everything you can to remove any residual ceramic abrasive.
While you've got the head off you can also feel if there's massively excessive clearance in the rod bearings.
Yep, taking those sharp edges off does make a huge difference. As you say, just keep flushing all the abrasive out until you are 100% sure it's clean and hasn't just gone down the ports into the crankcase.
I did exactly this with a Johnson Outboard that severely overheated. It was a V4 Model and one bank melted the cylinder head. No biggy !! I resurfaced the block surface with a block and sandpaper, sanded and the cylinder bores a little bit with sand paper, flushed flushed flushed with 2 stroke oil to clean out the sand and debris. Cleaned scavenging ports from debris, resurfaced a spare cylinder head I had from another 2 stroke. Put it together, poured premix in the cylinders, BOOM 💥. There she went. Ran it, granted I did a full tune up, washed the whole engine replaced the melted stator, put a spare timing trigger on, new plugs, new premix gas, rebuilt the carbs. Made new gaskets for the carbs. She works like new, re torqued the head bolts after some use. Still Runs !!!!!! The trash engine was brought back to life
Definitely an engineer I’d like looking at my boat you can tell he thinks out of the box keep up the great work mate…😊😊
Good Video.
I have an old (Good Old) motor on my boat. I'm trying to learn all I can.
Thanks.
Glad to help
"Shift Ya Bastard" cracks me up every single time.
I wonder How many times you have dropped tools overboard
Usually once per tool.
Only once from memory and it was quite recently, I'll have to get it back next dive!
If I’m working on stuff outside the boat with a risk of losing it I try to attach a lanyard to the tool and my wrist. Especially if I’m at sea and replacement tools aren’t easily obtainable.
@@FistralG I believe it was David Byrne of The Talking Heads who said "Stop making sense".
@@DangarMarine stu your just making excuses to go diving and using the metal detection machine 😳.
Good work. Diesel is a good freeing/penetrating oil. Agree with getting it going and seeing what happens. I'd have tried for more smoke.... As in chuck more 2 stroke oil in than you did, but that's me.
Easy mistake to run without oil. Used to worry me every time I filled up my 2 stroke motorbikes.
Yes, nothing wrong with over oiling early on for sure.
"Didn't sound awesome." How many times have I heard that!
Hi Stu, great video. I really like this comprehensive, informative format. Cheers!
Great to hear!
Great advertisement for Yamaha outboards. They are hard to kill like a Toyota Hilux. Wish I had your knowledge great work.
Stu
When I worked over at the speed and marine shop , we got plenty of those brought in. And yeah sometimes you end up eating some labor when the customer just leaves it and never calls back.😳
That's it, you put hours in and then they just give up on the engine when they hear what it is likely to cost. If you are lucky there are a few useful parts in it.
Really love your work Stu. As always, very informative and entertaining.
Hi Stu, I was so excited to see this one pop up. Was surprised to see it spin with the wrench. Then after the compression check was thinking the owner is lucky on this one. But when you said it's a lost cause I thought that was it. Then at the end looks like the bearings may be replaced to save it still? Looking forward to that video. Boat sales are up here big time which is odd with so many people out of work. Used cars are also hot right now. Crazy
Yeah, I thought she might have got away with it too. I suspect the previous sinking had a lot to do with the bearings failing.
From one Outboard Mechanic to another I have to say, you have balls working on the boat in the water. I would have dropped tools and nuts and bolts in the water, or even better, I would have fallen in the water. lol
Yes, it does get tricky. There isn't even a boat ramp on the island so pulling them out isn't really an option.
@@DangarMarine I own a boat repair business in KY. I have a 30x40 Ft. Shop and I have my customers bring their boats to me. I get a lot of Bass Boats and Pontoon boats. I see everything from 9.9HP - 250.HP. Occasionally I work on I/O Boats. The best part is these are all fresh water boats.....No salt!
Just started watching and I'm already feeling nervous about things dropping into the water while pulling apart an outboard while still attached!!
I drop way too many tools and parts to attempt that.
He just swims and gets em calm down
Nice looking Australorp that you have there. My kids have one here in the states.
Also I am converting an old 1993 tiller Yamaha 25 to electric start. It has the main bracket and some other parts from factory. I have to add solenoid and rectifier and bracket. Would like to know where the neutral safety switch plate goes. Can’t find where it bolts to in the schematics. Thanks.
Love the channel. From Texas, the "ya bastard" products are amazing... wish they were in my area, I'd use them exclusively!
This is why you should work on your own outboards. Do the basics , water pump, carburetor, voltage etc. you'll be ahead of the game but when they're done they're done.
BTW do you know Thatboatguy's channel? Dude finds all the outboards on the cheap and gets them to run almost all the time.
Indeed, yes, I have watched his vids. :)
Love it when you work on outboards Stu
I'm amazed how you don't drop stuff in the water. If it was me I'd need doubles of everything.