It was PAINFUL to watch the TOS Connie get destroyed both times. By the way AFT torpedoes for the TOS Connie IS cannon. Remember the 2 part Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" where they were in the Mirror Universe and they got the Defiant from the Tholians. The Defiant fired AFT torpedoes. So it definitely is cannon. We never actually saw the Enterprise fire aft torpedoes but I assumed she had them anyways.
actually, the 1701 could not fire aft torpedos. See the TOS ep "Elaan of Troyius," where they had to pivot at warp 2 and catch the Klingons flying past them to get them into their forward arcs and then hit them aft and aft/starboard quarter.
@@getreal6124 But was that because they didn't have Aft Torps, or because they wanted to get the Klingon's Aft sections targeted? And there's the question of if the Constitution-Class (Enterprise included) just had weapon systems we didn't see in use; if we keep it to pure TOS and what we can see, there's a (paired) torpedo launcher on the saucer, six dual-phaser banks (top and bottom, fore/starboard/port), and they couldn't do anything to a ship behind them. It seems a little odd to think they left the entire rear arc of the ship unarmed... The Connie from Enterprise (aka, that other Defiant) seems to elaborate on the weapons that we didn't see, but that make a little more sense to have been there the whole time.
@@Sephiroth144 Yeah, if you listen carefully to the background dialogue, you can occasionally hear someone mentioning the "aft phaser banks," so it would seem that the TOS Enterprise definitely had aft-firing weapons. [And yeah, if we take "Enterprise" as canon, then it explicitly shows that the Defiant had aft-firing torpedoes, so presumably the Enterprise did as well.]
@@michaeldexter2544 As well as explicitly showing those Connie Aft Phasers (And pretty sure Enterprise counts as canon- maybe not someone's headcanon, but actual canon, yup. =p)
@@michaeldexter2544 "Enterprise" is NOT canon--which is defined as anything Roddenberry approved of directly and explicitly. I originally thought Voyager was not canon, but it was documented Roddenberry approved that on his deathbed. He did NOT approve "Enterprise" and it was well-documented he NEVER authorized prequels for either a series or a movie. You're welcome to read any of the Starlog mags around the time of Star Trek V, because that's why he fired Harve Bennett, who wanted an Academy prequel with a younger Kirk and Spock (this became the modified approach for "Starfleet Academy" from Interplay). Canon is the first captain of the Enterprise was Robert April and there was never any "NX" class before the NX-2000 Excelsior in Star Trek III. During the Earth-Romulan War 100 years previous to "Balance of Terror," you could quote Spock as saying "no enemy nor ally ever saw the other because no ship-to-ship visual communication was possible" and it was fought with "primitive atomic weapons" on the ships and when you watch "Court Martial," the then-Federation ships had atomic matter piles (specific ship was SS Republic). So that completely proves "Enterprise" was not canon. It was lazy writing to make a very fast buck; had the showrunners simply asked the fans, the fans would have done all the research for them and helped them write a prequel that avoided a lot of the laziness and pitfalls. The biggest giveaway was when they introduced "photonic torpedos," which the tech did NOT exist for until the TNG era, at least 175 years after when "Enterprise" would have taken place.
Both ships are clearly not tuned the same for their era. It's probably the Discovery that turned out being too strong. That said, even if both ships had hull, shields and weapon potency at the same level, it's not improbable that Discovery would still slightly edge out the Constitution with firing arcs and aft torpedoes. Whereas, with Pike's Discovery-version of the Constitution-class, you have a ship that's clearly more tuned with that import of the Discovery. Therefore, you don't come as short, and have good odds of winning as a human player.
😨😳Jeepers... very nice battle Captain.. 2nd battle.. perfect.. just in the show, The Discovery was supposed to be over 10 years older than the Enterprise, but seems like Voyager era.. hmmm only thing I like is the Spore drive.. and Captain Pike's ship seemed capable.. love the inserts.. lol.. Very nice Battle Captain.. Ace!!!!😊🖖
No, the aft torpedoes are canon. The _Defiant_ fired a spread of torpedoes from aft tubes in "In a Mirror, Darkly." That makes them canon to the TOS _Constitution_ class.
I still it’s funny discovery is the failed first concept for the enterprise in the 60s. The one that trekkies went “egad! Thank goodness we got the constitution class instead” they went with that one for discovery 😂 does anyone remember the first look at discovery’s cgi model in 2017? Most of the comments were calling it ugly 😆
The Enterprise didn't stand a chance because Discovery can hide itself inside it's own turbolift corridor with room to spare. Also, something, something, Michael Burnham joke.
It appeared to me you could have defeated the Discovery with the 1701 had you flown it more above or below them, staying away as much as possible from their forward arc. That second time you can pretty close and hung in there much longer.
Is that TGB's Disco or Relliks? I remember when doing the HP I had a hard time finding a sound for the Phasers but Rel found that one and that's what we went with lol.
Hi I have a question there will be an update that includes all the mods or the site will be put back online when I want to test me all the ships that I have seen in the videos and thank you for the videos
the only nice thing about the crossfield is that the took some design influences from the enterprise in phase 2.... but this rotating-pizza-cutter-thing in the saucer section looks more like the designer had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.... this is why the name crossfield class.... Thanks Folks! 🤣
I know there is a lot of disdain for SNW/Discovery enterprise but I personally love it, and I think it fits perfectly as an evolution to the NX-01. With that being said I would also support a cannon "refit" to the original series ship but making it a more modern/futuristic version. I've seen custom CGI versions of the TOS Enterprise that's actually pretty slick but doesn't go against the Original design.
um wasnt there a crossfield class that the enterprise fought in a recent episode so in a way this fight was cannon even more so with the discovery era enterprise
If you wanted to keep with the OG theme I would have went with 1701-A instead of SNW Enterprise but it's ok I kinda like the SNW Enterprise. Can I request you put the Disco against the TOS Defiant or the USS Vengeance/Valor?
Seeing the ship that must not be named destroy the original Enterprise was blasphemy. A penance must be exacted. I suggest all other Enterprises versus the STD.
Its a shame they didn’t Discover some better plot lines and writing ideas! Tbf the ship is a nice design (can see phase 2 concept art) and the basic concept idea was good, but how it went - well yaknow…
To be fair, they are getting better; actually enjoyed the overall arc from the latest season (and really liked that the aliens were actually pretty alien)
@@nickthx1138 And I get it; definitely some things that are rough/annoying/"did those people ever see a Klingon (ship) before?!?" to get past... on the other hand, most Trek series took a season or two to hit their stride.
@@Sephiroth144 yeah and if it gets to the say tng level I’ll be happy! The stories and the way the eps play just dont engage - no pun! Just isnt there and emulates present day people. Also see ds9 and ent took great pains to preserve and explain cannon in story and visuals.
but didnt you show us before the TOS connie in this game defeated the SNW connie... but the SNW connie beat the discovery here whiel the TOS connie loses.... O_o
Some people say it bends the lore of Star Trek too much and some people say it's too progressive but I think those people just don't understand Star Trek. The point of Star Trek has always been to show humanity overcoming its bigotry. I understand the lore complaint because, especially in the first 2 seasons, it was very different from the original Star Trek though I think that's just because, well, the original series was made in the 60s and Disco was made 57 years later. That's quite the leap in filming technology. I wish people would understand that and just appreciate it for what it is. Anyway, sorry for the Ted Talk, it's just nice to see someone who at least doesn't despise discovery.
I despise anything “Trek” made after JJ Abrams took over. I hated all 3 of his films, I saw 2 episodes of Discovery, and nothing else. No Picard, no Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks or….whatever tribble poop spin-offs they come up with. And I say this as someone who grew up a few years after TOS went off the air. “Nu Trek” as it’s often called is generic sci-fi lite wearing Trek’s desiccated husk .
Burnham that abomination to the ground just like the series 😂 Maybe you could make your own discovery series by destroying the “discovery “ as many way possible. You know fair fights like the galaxy x from hell, federation battle star galactica etc 😂😂
I hate the discovery, I hate it's stupid, out-of-proportion ugly, angular wedge shaped primary hull, I hate it's stupid saucer rings, I hate that the rings rotate! And I really hate it's spindly nacelles!
“Discovery is the path to the dark side. Discovery leads to anger. Anger leads to More Seasons. More Seasons leads to suffering” *Glad You Won*
😂😂😂
It was PAINFUL to watch the TOS Connie get destroyed both times.
By the way AFT torpedoes for the TOS Connie IS cannon. Remember the 2 part Enterprise episode "In A Mirror Darkly" where they were in the Mirror Universe and they got the Defiant from the Tholians. The Defiant fired AFT torpedoes. So it definitely is cannon. We never actually saw the Enterprise fire aft torpedoes but I assumed she had them anyways.
actually, the 1701 could not fire aft torpedos. See the TOS ep "Elaan of Troyius," where they had to pivot at warp 2 and catch the Klingons flying past them to get them into their forward arcs and then hit them aft and aft/starboard quarter.
@@getreal6124 But was that because they didn't have Aft Torps, or because they wanted to get the Klingon's Aft sections targeted?
And there's the question of if the Constitution-Class (Enterprise included) just had weapon systems we didn't see in use; if we keep it to pure TOS and what we can see, there's a (paired) torpedo launcher on the saucer, six dual-phaser banks (top and bottom, fore/starboard/port), and they couldn't do anything to a ship behind them. It seems a little odd to think they left the entire rear arc of the ship unarmed... The Connie from Enterprise (aka, that other Defiant) seems to elaborate on the weapons that we didn't see, but that make a little more sense to have been there the whole time.
@@Sephiroth144 Yeah, if you listen carefully to the background dialogue, you can occasionally hear someone mentioning the "aft phaser banks," so it would seem that the TOS Enterprise definitely had aft-firing weapons. [And yeah, if we take "Enterprise" as canon, then it explicitly shows that the Defiant had aft-firing torpedoes, so presumably the Enterprise did as well.]
@@michaeldexter2544 As well as explicitly showing those Connie Aft Phasers
(And pretty sure Enterprise counts as canon- maybe not someone's headcanon, but actual canon, yup. =p)
@@michaeldexter2544 "Enterprise" is NOT canon--which is defined as anything Roddenberry approved of directly and explicitly. I originally thought Voyager was not canon, but it was documented Roddenberry approved that on his deathbed. He did NOT approve "Enterprise" and it was well-documented he NEVER authorized prequels for either a series or a movie. You're welcome to read any of the Starlog mags around the time of Star Trek V, because that's why he fired Harve Bennett, who wanted an Academy prequel with a younger Kirk and Spock (this became the modified approach for "Starfleet Academy" from Interplay). Canon is the first captain of the Enterprise was Robert April and there was never any "NX" class before the NX-2000 Excelsior in Star Trek III. During the Earth-Romulan War 100 years previous to "Balance of Terror," you could quote Spock as saying "no enemy nor ally ever saw the other because no ship-to-ship visual communication was possible" and it was fought with "primitive atomic weapons" on the ships and when you watch "Court Martial," the then-Federation ships had atomic matter piles (specific ship was SS Republic). So that completely proves "Enterprise" was not canon. It was lazy writing to make a very fast buck; had the showrunners simply asked the fans, the fans would have done all the research for them and helped them write a prequel that avoided a lot of the laziness and pitfalls. The biggest giveaway was when they introduced "photonic torpedos," which the tech did NOT exist for until the TNG era, at least 175 years after when "Enterprise" would have taken place.
Both ships are clearly not tuned the same for their era. It's probably the Discovery that turned out being too strong.
That said, even if both ships had hull, shields and weapon potency at the same level, it's not improbable that Discovery would still slightly edge out the Constitution with firing arcs and aft torpedoes.
Whereas, with Pike's Discovery-version of the Constitution-class, you have a ship that's clearly more tuned with that import of the Discovery. Therefore, you don't come as short, and have good odds of winning as a human player.
😨😳Jeepers... very nice battle Captain.. 2nd battle.. perfect.. just in the show, The Discovery was supposed to be over 10 years older than the Enterprise, but seems like Voyager era.. hmmm only thing I like is the Spore drive.. and Captain Pike's ship seemed capable.. love the inserts.. lol.. Very nice Battle Captain.. Ace!!!!😊🖖
It’s nice to know I’m not the only one that hates the discovery, and it’s show
The ships in that Discovery pack aren't well balanced with the Remastered TOS / TMP-era ships. Shields are much too strong.
The pew pew gun goes brrr. 😛
That was a really amazing video the Original Connie did quite well 2 last as long as it did
And not only want to see Discovery defeated, I want to see her violated.
Discovery vs. Armoured Voyager, Federation Galactica, and Galaxy X from Hell!
I don’t watch Disco very often, but I think that ship was rearmed with weapons from the future.
It was probably armed with whatever the writers felt like on the day!
Nice showcase!
And thx for reminder that I need to rewatch Generations, it been a bit
No, the aft torpedoes are canon. The _Defiant_ fired a spread of torpedoes from aft tubes in "In a Mirror, Darkly." That makes them canon to the TOS _Constitution_ class.
No, they didnt engage mold drive
I would have done an in-system Warp to repair the Shields and the starship I would have called for backup
I was just thinking, this is a battle that demonstrates why a Retreat function is needed to gain distance n time in RE
I still it’s funny discovery is the failed first concept for the enterprise in the 60s. The one that trekkies went “egad! Thank goodness we got the constitution class instead” they went with that one for discovery 😂 does anyone remember the first look at discovery’s cgi model in 2017? Most of the comments were calling it ugly 😆
The Enterprise didn't stand a chance because Discovery can hide itself inside it's own turbolift corridor with room to spare. Also, something, something, Michael Burnham joke.
I've been getting a lot of problems with no torpedo module errors with certain ships. Is there a fix to this?
It appeared to me you could have defeated the Discovery with the 1701 had you flown it more above or below them, staying away as much as possible from their forward arc. That second time you can pretty close and hung in there much longer.
Is that TGB's Disco or Relliks? I remember when doing the HP I had a hard time finding a sound for the Phasers but Rel found that one and that's what we went with lol.
STD is my favorite version of Star wars. Too bad it's supposed to be StarTrek
Hi I have a question there will be an update that includes all the mods or the site will be put back online when I want to test me all the ships that I have seen in the videos and thank you for the videos
I still love the tos Connie no bloody a b c or d😊
So what I'm getting from this is the OG TOS model (in the game) is underpowered/the Disco/SNW versions are OP...
Discovery must be destroyed. Emperor Palpatine: "DO IT!"
Discovery is overpowered. Whooda thought….
"ah, pew pew weapon"
the only nice thing about the crossfield is that the took some design influences from the enterprise in phase 2.... but this rotating-pizza-cutter-thing in the saucer section looks more like the designer had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease.... this is why the name crossfield class.... Thanks Folks! 🤣
The discoveries that little bit more power because it's from the future but the Enterprise is more maneuverable it's going to be a close battle🎉😮
Amazing ♥️😍 where can i donwloads this addons ?
When did discovery get the good weapons they were pants on the series - and the series was utttttter pants
Was that Wiley's Connie?
I know there is a lot of disdain for SNW/Discovery enterprise but I personally love it, and I think it fits perfectly as an evolution to the NX-01. With that being said I would also support a cannon "refit" to the original series ship but making it a more modern/futuristic version. I've seen custom CGI versions of the TOS Enterprise that's actually pretty slick but doesn't go against the Original design.
um wasnt there a crossfield class that the enterprise fought in a recent episode so in a way this fight was cannon even more so with the discovery era enterprise
If you wanted to keep with the OG theme I would have went with 1701-A instead of SNW Enterprise but it's ok I kinda like the SNW Enterprise. Can I request you put the Disco against the TOS Defiant or the USS Vengeance/Valor?
Enterprise-F and Titan-A/Enterprise-G
Wheres the disco vs snw enterprise?
There isn’t a SNW mod yet 🖖
Seeing the ship that must not be named destroy the original Enterprise was blasphemy. A penance must be exacted. I suggest all other Enterprises versus the STD.
Per Star Trek: Enteprirse, "In a Mirror, Darkly," Connies have aft torpedos. It's canon.
Let proxima fight the discovery
Send the *VIDIIANS* after the Discovery. I'd *LOVE* to see that "crew" get *HARVESTED.*
😂
Its a shame they didn’t Discover some better plot lines and writing ideas! Tbf the ship is a nice design (can see phase 2 concept art) and the basic concept idea was good, but how it went - well yaknow…
To be fair, they are getting better; actually enjoyed the overall arc from the latest season (and really liked that the aliens were actually pretty alien)
@@Sephiroth144 never got past s1 so wouldn’t know! Snw is sort of ok
@@nickthx1138 And I get it; definitely some things that are rough/annoying/"did those people ever see a Klingon (ship) before?!?" to get past... on the other hand, most Trek series took a season or two to hit their stride.
@@Sephiroth144 yeah and if it gets to the say tng level I’ll be happy! The stories and the way the eps play just dont engage - no pun! Just isnt there and emulates present day people. Also see ds9 and ent took great pains to preserve and explain cannon in story and visuals.
but didnt you show us before the TOS connie in this game defeated the SNW connie...
but the SNW connie beat the discovery here whiel the TOS connie loses.... O_o
This video was such a great Discovery of the crossfield class's capabilities!
😂
Discovery sucks
Refit from a few years in the future.
What I have always wondered is why everyone hates the discovery so much? It’s not a bad ship or show.
Some people say it bends the lore of Star Trek too much and some people say it's too progressive but I think those people just don't understand Star Trek. The point of Star Trek has always been to show humanity overcoming its bigotry. I understand the lore complaint because, especially in the first 2 seasons, it was very different from the original Star Trek though I think that's just because, well, the original series was made in the 60s and Disco was made 57 years later. That's quite the leap in filming technology. I wish people would understand that and just appreciate it for what it is. Anyway, sorry for the Ted Talk, it's just nice to see someone who at least doesn't despise discovery.
i really don't like them, it's a one man show Burnham solves everything
I despise anything “Trek” made after JJ Abrams took over. I hated all 3 of his films, I saw 2 episodes of Discovery, and nothing else. No Picard, no Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks or….whatever tribble poop spin-offs they come up with. And I say this as someone who grew up a few years after TOS went off the air. “Nu Trek” as it’s often called is generic sci-fi lite wearing Trek’s desiccated husk .
Burnham that abomination to the ground just like the series 😂 Maybe you could make your own discovery series by destroying the “discovery “ as many way possible. You know fair fights like the galaxy x from hell, federation battle star galactica etc 😂😂
I hate the discovery, I hate it's stupid, out-of-proportion ugly, angular wedge shaped primary hull, I hate it's stupid saucer rings, I hate that the rings rotate! And I really hate it's spindly nacelles!