Double Stack 1911 Comparison Range Test
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2024
- 0:00 Double Stack 1911 Comparison Range Test
4:04 BUL Armory SAS II TAC 4.25
6:35 Springfield Armory Prodigy
8:35 EAA Girsan Witness2311
10:17 Tisas 1911 Carry DS
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You made a video on iron sights in general a while back. Can you make one just about holds, the terms that fly around (poa=poi, 6 o'clock and variations, lollipop, 'combat' etc.) and what your experiences are with those at different distances. Different companies sell with different factory holds. I'd love to read about it and watch a video. I noticed that some mean one hold but think it is another and that lots of people have a hard time describing what they see in recoil.
I shot with cutting the target the target in half (Imo that should be poa=poi, at home: Fleck). Shot with the front sight covering the target (some may call that combat hold).
Shot with the upper edge of the sights on the edge of the smaller target area (some may call that 6 o'clock, some lollipop, at home: Spiegel aufgesetzt 'mirror seated').
Shot a lower version of that with some light between the center circle of some targets and the rest of the target (idk what one would call that in the states).
Some say those last are just for static bullseye shooting, some into 2gacm like those holds to see what is happening on target under recoil. What do you use in which contest and why?
Thank you for the thorough review. I did not get an update that this video had been released on my UA-cam notifications but ended up here from your article "Picking the Right Double Stack 1911". It's worth noting that almost anyone will usually perform better on the 2nd try instead of starting off Cold. I would have run the same drill in reverse order to ensure that all pistols received a valid test when you were warmed up.
I agree with you. After not shooting for a week much less starting shooting for the day coupled with some lopsidedness on familiarity of the guns, another run through would be valuable. Love the content but think more target and objective data from you personally would be valuable.
I have zero interest in this platform, but I do appreciate and watch your videos regardless. To each their own.
Thank you. May I ask why you have no interest? Downsides I can see are cost, higher maintenance standards, and a higher general level of proficiency needed to run the gun well. At the Guardian conference there were a lot of newer shooters that (somehow) had Stacattos and we saw repeated failures. From what I could tell the failures were not Stacatto's quality, but the result of a user who didn't understand the platform well enough yet.
@@GBGuns Since you asked.... I am more of a 1911 purest I guess? I own 4 different 1911's, all full size and single stack. They are all safe queens and range toys. I've been a DA/SA guy for about 35 years now. My EDC and home defense are DA/SA. It's the manual of arms I'm most comfortable with. There might be a double stack 1911 some day that I can't live without, but it would still be a range toy. I don't have anything against them, I just don't have any reason to have one. 357 Sig chambering would definitely get my attention
Id like to see the Rock Island Double Stacks in this mix too
I didn't include them because they're all-metal and so not of the same design. I'm also not sure if I have a 4.25" RIA doublestack. I know I have a 6" and a 5"
Great job thank you so much
I like your method. Over the last year I have been doing the same thing between a variety of range rental carry guns 3-3.5." Settled on the Kimber Mako. I have a Holosun 507K on my PDP and it works fine for me with the small green dot. I have been practicing with the red dot on the Mayko for about 2,000 rds. The other day, took it off and was MUCH faster on target, and had MUCH tighter groups in bill drills. Crimson Trace window is smaller, so I am guessing that must be the problem with the slow shots beeing less. The fast ones? I think maybe I see the green dot faster on the PDP, but the tall front sight on the Mako is red. Back to the range.
Very interesting video. There's little doubt that the Bul Armory pistol is of high quality. Springfield also makes a nice pistol.
It's my impression you did best with the Springfield 🤔. Like you mentioned there's a lot of factors to take into consideration.
The video provides good information for anyone who may be interested in purchasing a DS 1911 style 9MM.
Thank you again for sharing your excellent videos 🙏
Got the Prodigy and I love it,due to its steel frame it is very flat shooting
I got the rear site off of my Tisas and replaced it and the front site. Used a large brass site punch and a lot of cursing.
Yeah I was just trying to nudge mine and my huge sight tool that has done everything for me couldn't move it
I can’t decide if I’m interested in the 2011 styles, similar to Red dots. Florida requires lighter clothes and firearms, and I prefer hammer fired DA
That prodigy was the best to me with you shooting it and i own one that gun is good the bull armory I want one but i feel its not going to be much better then the prodigy
The BUL Armory is a propper carry gun. The Prodigy has a bit of an identity crisis.
Aww man. As great as it is to watch you compare these 4 competitors, I usually end up having my own preferences when I go to the range myself and rent guns I've seen reviews on. I dunno, I think it comes down to reliability for me, and this is too small scale of a test to judge. I HEAR that the materials in the Tisas are amazing for the price(no MIM parts), but does that actually translate to reliability and longevity? More testing needed
and when was the last time you experienced a MIM part breaking?
Having your own preference is good. Our hands are all different as well as our eyes. Grip shape, textures, sights, ammo preference, recoil impulse... they are all subjective. Graham gives a great baseline for you especially in regards to reliability with "What's for Dinner." But the real test is always getting them in your hand and running them.
@@Maelstrom8 Absolutely. Last weekend I took a class and brought the Tisas and BUL Armory, swapping at the half way point. My first shots with the BUL Armory after the TIsas were happening a little sooner and higher on target than expected because the lighter pistol was drawing faster (plus lighter, shorter trigger). I fixed that within a couple of shots (plus I have a lot of time with the BUL Armory under my belt). At one point I had someone try the BUL Armory and he didn't like how light it was because he was used to running an AXG P320. Weight steadies, but slows. Lighter guns can be run quicker, but require a more refined hold. It's all presonal preference, some of which I believe is based on what you've got the most timme with. Fortunately/unfortunately GBGuns has meant that I've essentially shot a different gun every week for the last nine years. There are some (Grand Power, BUL Armory, Glock, Springfield, Arex, Canik) that I've taken to full-day and multi-day courses, but we all develop a "habbit" (for lack of a better term) based on what we shoot the most.
@@GBGunsI've had MiM parts break on both Fusion and Kimber 1911s in 10mm.
Safeties, bushings, front sights, and probably more, but unsure if all were MiM. Just blamed it on two very subpar manufacturers. Replaced everything as it broke with Wilson Combat and Nighthawk parts.
I have only had issues with 10mm firearms and MiM parts, I have yet to have any problems with MiM on 9mm or 45 1911s nor do I expect to.
I have had several issues with MiM parts on 10mm 1911s, but these could also be attributable to being "poor" MiM parts. The manufacturers were Kimber and Fusion. Junk manufacture riding on "pretty" guns.
I run my guns extremely hard and even though I've had MiM parts breakage on those 10s, I've yet to encounter any problem with MiM in a 45 or 9mm 1911. Not one.
I have the Girsan Witness and the Prodigy. I didn't like the grip texture on the Girsan at all. To rough. It's actually my least favorite of my 5 high capacity guns.
I’ll take the Turkish double stack .
With todays prices you surely see a lot of (stamped North America,made in) brands, being most steel is made in China today. I believe it’s around 64% today
I get paying for (quality) ..I also get paying for inflated weimar republic mistakes (crooked governments) which make buying USA quality a harder choice today .
Awesome reviews, as always
You sound like a consumerism-addicted soul doing his best to rationalize his behavior rather than admitting he has a problem and dealing with it.
Nothing new to see here I'll keep my 30 year old Para Ordnance P-13!😅
I bet that P-13 weight a lot more. Good to hear it's still running! I'm surprised one of the big companies hasn't revived that brand, it seems ripe for someone like PSA to purchase.
@@GBGuns hard to believe I EDC'd the beast for a couple of years - still runs great and eats just about everything. Interestingly I have a Kimber/Bull 15 round mag that runs fine in the Para.
Kimber had a polymer 1911 about 20 years ago the frames were made in Israel.
Unfortunate Para went away when Remington got their hands on them.
Wondering what happened to Theo the original designer? Pretty talented guy.
Imagine spending $700 plus on a new gun and not being able to move the rear sight, Frustrating.
Quite
"I don't use a red dot".........BECAUSE : you are NOT proficient with it? They have been out for years.......by now you should have learnt..... Comparing all w irons: it works, if that is what you are used to......but soon you will be begging for red dots (age will provide you with worsening sight). BTW if you can't drift a sight w the machine, put the slide in a vise, take a brass punch and a hammer tape them and that delivers the needed force (practice is needed).
As stated many times before, I don't use a red dot when I'm trying to objectively test/review a firearm. Adding a dot is a modification and so the review is no longer of the product as it ships. Additionally you're adding slide mass and introducing a possible obstruction for ejecting brass (seen too many Guntubers have a stovepipe and blame it on the gun whhen footage shows the brass bouncing off the dot). The Girsan came with the dot mounted, so I was reviewing it as is. The Tisas had an immovable sight that was off so a new aiming system was needed. I don't carry a dot because I shoot often enough to have seen plenty of failures that would not have happened without the dot. Dots are fun, they can compensate for shooter deficiencies, they help prop up the industry, there are lots of positives to dots, but I limit their use to range toys and prefer to not add a variable to a gun review.
@@GBGuns I do understand your point of view *for now* but I bet you will join us (later). Yes it started as a competition addition (and it built some nice range toys). It has evolved to the point now that elite tactical units and special forces use them.... (wonder why??, and these dudes are not having eye issues)......and I am not talking videos games (I have never played one).
I think you missed my point. If I'm going ot review a firearm I need to review THE FIREARM, not a modified state of it. I feel reviews of modified guns can be misleading, plus introduce an element of potential failure or other performance-alteration depending on what is modified and how. That's also why you don't see me using the flashlight trick to have better recoil control. I run dots, just ran one last weekend in a USCCA/Valhalla Firearms Training course. I simply won't carry one because I carry to potentially save a life.
I shoot mostly 10, some 40, and some 357Sig. Every pistol dot I've owned has eventually failed in some way. Every single one.
That includes Trijicon, Holoson, Meprolight, Burris, Vortex, and a few oddball makers.
They are also one more piece of gear to maintain.
When I wade through a stream or mis-step into muskeg, I have to take additional steps to not only protect it prior to that, but more steps to ensure the operability of the device. Iron sights? At most I swipe off the slide and that fat red dot called a front sight is ready to go.
I'm not a luddite or anti red-dot, I obviously have owned several. I just stopped using them except in very specific and limited roles. As a prior instructor and now retired LE, I promise you they won't improve your mechanics and I do promise you that they are one more piece of gear to care for.
Yes, BTW, drifting sights with mallet and punch is as old as the hills. However, there are some sights where the dovetail tolerances are so tight that even this old armorer will use a pusher.
Oh, and by the way. As for age, I'm pushing 60 and still have 20/20.
Maybe turn off your computer, turn off your tv, limit your phone use, and eat right?
It's not all genetics. Nature v. Nurture.
@@JD-tn5lzAlso micro red dots make you a slower shooter. I took mine off my Hellcat cause finding the dot took way longer than lining up irons. I always go with worst case scenario as the only scenario so learning to shoot with a dot, which makes shooting easier but may not always function, is a no go for me. Irons don't have batteries and they don't break down. I'd never bet my life on a gimmick, though co-witness does make it somewhat more acceptable.