USN/WO-5 The Apache grip and collective the default cam is 30° then they send you 40° and a 50°. 35° is a rough standard for helos. Collective is always mounted to the deck and some are mounted to the deck and the wall behind the pilot seat where the pivot is. For the life of me I've been trying to find a DYI That anybody could use. My son's a master welder. He used a 1-in plate for the base also a 1/4-in plate for the top. 1 ft by 1 ft 16 in high. Note the collective already has a 5° rise plus the 30° gives you your 35° which is a rough standard for SH helos and other civil and military helicopters that I've flown. Sea dragon was a beast with little to no OGE effects. Also a DIY without having to purchase hundreds of dollars of USD for adapters and such is making a one out of wood. Painted black. It also serves as a hub for your USB power port and instead of entering which you still could from the left the Port side or the right side starboard. You could always slide it or in my case my HotasI removed from the left side. Mounting it to my cockpit table just to the left of the collective. Entering and exiting a Helo is not as easy as it would be to enter a aircraft, super prop or otherwise. I hope that this little bit of DIY you can share and if you would like any pics and the dimensions and how efficient it actually is and it's natural environment. Being mounted to the deck rather than the ejection seat. Or office chair or gaming chair for that matter? It really worked out well and it's sturdy and heavy enough that no amount of pull of the collective will not even move it. Not a bit. Nothing needs to be mounted or screwed to the floor. The weight in itself serves its purpose. I really loved your tutorial. If I had the time and the funds of disposable income I would probably try your way. I'm looking at it as a third party as looking through the window. Just to see all the abilities and possibilities of how to mount the collective. The pivot point on a collective is always behind the seat. You should never have to reach down or bend down to pick up your collective when you're in the cockpit. You should have your hands already on the collective and your dead stick. Dead stick is essential to Helo flight. This is so when your OTW to the AO. I'm also ambidextrous I can write with both hands. Fly with both hands. I know many cannot. This also could be made into a tool bin at the bottom of the dyi that I explained. Adding more weight. Very rigid and for any reason I'm going to get out of my natural environment of helos to fly Jets. I can simply just move it in a safe place next to my my cockpit. Even with the USB power unit. The wiring is collectively running its course behind the cockpit which would be in front of me of the dash. I subscribe to your channel. I really loved your tutorial. You took your time. Many people are not dyi oriented. Excellent tutorial Thank you so much. God bless 🕊️
I have an MFC on order along with the collective mount. When you previously mentioned your solution to quick release the arm rest you peaked my interest. I will see how brave I am with cutting it once my chair arrives.
feel free to ask if you have any questions, I've left my right arm rest in its original state but I don't regret modifying the left one. I think the only downside would be someone other than yourself adjusting the armrest and it coming out... you can still move it in and out and clamp it where you want it.
I'd imagine the mission grip coming into reach with more collective applied is by design in the real Apache as you'd only need access to it while already airbourne. Very interesting
Ive been having a similar issue with my sim pit, its the throttle axis that makes it too long. I might try to scooch it back a bit more, but dont think I have much room left to go at the moment.
I have constructed my own "monstertech" solution. on an office chair. and I have made it so that the front part of the handle follows the front part of the seat. which is also more similar to the location of the handle in the AH64. total price 90 dollars.
Slightly unrelated question - I just purchased collective base + KA-50 grip and have it mounted and installed to my chair. The collective seems to default sit at roughly 15-20° at its lowest point (opposed to level like yours) and the highest point is almost *almost* vertical which feels terrible. I haven't changed any cams or anything out the box - how did you get yours to sit level at its lowest point like that?
What I did was twist or tilt the mount to suit the level of the collective so in my case my mount is not right-angled to the profile its bolted on, its tilted forwards by a good 20 degrees
@@bigbangerz5856 thank you for the prompt reply - that certainly explains it! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something obvious I was missing with the collective base. For what it's worth I went and opened the base anyways to check the cam and not only as virpil completely changed the cam system for the base and not updated any of the instructional literature for it, the default cam used is the 50° max one and not the smallest 30° one like is claimed to be installed by default in the instructions. This has been my first virpil product and while it's been great the last few days I've been using it, they really need to update their literature.
I do with this collective at a left mounting option. Years ago I built a center console that I mounted my Saitek panels into, and I move it from one side to the other depending on the aircraft I am flying(right for GA/Airliners and left for fighters and helicopters) but there is no way to mount this to the right side of my console because there is not a left side mounting option. They only have mounts on the right hand side. As a result, I will not buy this system because it's expensive and they seem unwilling to work with their customer base for additional mounting options.
just a decent size hack saw and a rectangular file, the metal is quite soft I assume its and aluminium alloy of some type so its east to cut and fashion, just be sure to clamp it well and protect it from scratches
When you think about it a chair like this does rely on a single gas piston attachment to the floor stand and the seat base whilst strong isn't 100% rigid so when you do load weight onto it (even yourself by sitting down) there is some movement. You then extend that away from the centre and it moves more.... I'll experiment some more and replace some 4040 for 8040 profile to see if that makes it better, you can mount the throttle and control box next to the collective but you can feel the movement imho.
USN/WO-5 The Apache grip and collective the default cam is 30° then they send you 40° and a 50°. 35° is a rough standard for helos. Collective is always mounted to the deck and some are mounted to the deck and the wall behind the pilot seat where the pivot is. For the life of me I've been trying to find a DYI That anybody could use. My son's a master welder. He used a 1-in plate for the base also a 1/4-in plate for the top. 1 ft by 1 ft 16 in high. Note the collective already has a 5° rise plus the 30° gives you your 35° which is a rough standard for SH helos and other civil and military helicopters that I've flown. Sea dragon was a beast with little to no OGE effects. Also a DIY without having to purchase hundreds of dollars of USD for adapters and such is making a one out of wood. Painted black. It also serves as a hub for your USB power port and instead of entering which you still could from the left the Port side or the right side starboard. You could always slide it or in my case my HotasI removed from the left side. Mounting it to my cockpit table just to the left of the collective. Entering and exiting a Helo is not as easy as it would be to enter a aircraft, super prop or otherwise. I hope that this little bit of DIY you can share and if you would like any pics and the dimensions and how efficient it actually is and it's natural environment. Being mounted to the deck rather than the ejection seat. Or office chair or gaming chair for that matter? It really worked out well and it's sturdy and heavy enough that no amount of pull of the collective will not even move it. Not a bit. Nothing needs to be mounted or screwed to the floor. The weight in itself serves its purpose. I really loved your tutorial. If I had the time and the funds of disposable income I would probably try your way. I'm looking at it as a third party as looking through the window. Just to see all the abilities and possibilities of how to mount the collective. The pivot point on a collective is always behind the seat. You should never have to reach down or bend down to pick up your collective when you're in the cockpit. You should have your hands already on the collective and your dead stick. Dead stick is essential to Helo flight. This is so when your OTW to the AO. I'm also ambidextrous I can write with both hands. Fly with both hands. I know many cannot. This also could be made into a tool bin at the bottom of the dyi that I explained. Adding more weight. Very rigid and for any reason I'm going to get out of my natural environment of helos to fly Jets. I can simply just move it in a safe place next to my my cockpit. Even with the USB power unit. The wiring is collectively running its course behind the cockpit which would be in front of me of the dash. I subscribe to your channel. I really loved your tutorial. You took your time. Many people are not dyi oriented. Excellent tutorial
Thank you so much. God bless 🕊️
I have an MFC on order along with the collective mount. When you previously mentioned your solution to quick release the arm rest you peaked my interest. I will see how brave I am with cutting it once my chair arrives.
feel free to ask if you have any questions, I've left my right arm rest in its original state but I don't regret modifying the left one. I think the only downside would be someone other than yourself adjusting the armrest and it coming out... you can still move it in and out and clamp it where you want it.
Thanks for taking the time to post this informational video. This eliminates a lot of trial and error ($$$) for us rotary wing nuts.
ty for the kind words, it is appreciated
Thanks mate! That helped me a lot installing my setup 👍🏻 Cheers
Not much for rotary wings but this looks Rockin'! Cheers!!
I'd imagine the mission grip coming into reach with more collective applied is by design in the real Apache as you'd only need access to it while already airbourne. Very interesting
Ive been having a similar issue with my sim pit, its the throttle axis that makes it too long. I might try to scooch it back a bit more, but dont think I have much room left to go at the moment.
That left arm rest would be gone if that were my set up. Can't imagine how that's comfortable.
the left arm rest is gone
I have constructed my own "monstertech" solution. on an office chair. and I have made it so that the front part of the handle follows the front part of the seat. which is also more similar to the location of the handle in the AH64. total price 90 dollars.
@@jrgenkauling8269 nice upload a photo or two if you want
@@bigbangerz5856 how
@@jrgenkauling8269 can’t you post links? I don’t mind I’m not tied to Monstertech if anyone has a good idea happy to talk about it
@@bigbangerz5856 you cant really post links on youtube.
Slightly unrelated question - I just purchased collective base + KA-50 grip and have it mounted and installed to my chair. The collective seems to default sit at roughly 15-20° at its lowest point (opposed to level like yours) and the highest point is almost *almost* vertical which feels terrible. I haven't changed any cams or anything out the box - how did you get yours to sit level at its lowest point like that?
What I did was twist or tilt the mount to suit the level of the collective so in my case my mount is not right-angled to the profile its bolted on, its tilted forwards by a good 20 degrees
@@bigbangerz5856 thank you for the prompt reply - that certainly explains it! Just wanted to make sure it wasn't something obvious I was missing with the collective base.
For what it's worth I went and opened the base anyways to check the cam and not only as virpil completely changed the cam system for the base and not updated any of the instructional literature for it, the default cam used is the 50° max one and not the smallest 30° one like is claimed to be installed by default in the instructions.
This has been my first virpil product and while it's been great the last few days I've been using it, they really need to update their literature.
I do with this collective at a left mounting option. Years ago I built a center console that I mounted my Saitek panels into, and I move it from one side to the other depending on the aircraft I am flying(right for GA/Airliners and left for fighters and helicopters) but there is no way to mount this to the right side of my console because there is not a left side mounting option. They only have mounts on the right hand side. As a result, I will not buy this system because it's expensive and they seem unwilling to work with their customer base for additional mounting options.
Just put a U mount on the left panel/box
Very helpful! What tools did you use to cut the support for the arm of the chair so you could remove it?
just a decent size hack saw and a rectangular file, the metal is quite soft I assume its and aluminium alloy of some type so its east to cut and fashion, just be sure to clamp it well and protect it from scratches
Springs lose tension being compressed/decompressed not from sitting in one or other btw, doesnt matter how you store the collective
the manual advises you to leave it in the upper position when not in use, I assume its to give some tension relief to extend the life of the spring
Quite surprising that the MFC chair isn't designed with that weight in mind considering the price.
When you think about it a chair like this does rely on a single gas piston attachment to the floor stand and the seat base whilst strong isn't 100% rigid so when you do load weight onto it (even yourself by sitting down) there is some movement. You then extend that away from the centre and it moves more.... I'll experiment some more and replace some 4040 for 8040 profile to see if that makes it better, you can mount the throttle and control box next to the collective but you can feel the movement imho.
Needs to come rearward another 3 or 4 inches.
that is an option with the 420mm profile, but then the flight grip will feel a long way back