FA24 High Capacity Oil Pan & Baffle Announcement
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2024
- Excited to finally share some more information about the oil pressure mitigation I’ve been helping develop and test!
In this video, I walk through our development process and testing data for the first iteration this product. I show data which is available as track onboards here:
Baseline @ Thunderhill East Bypass
• Thunderhill East Bypas...
Test Day @ Thunderhill East Bypass
• Thunderhill East Bypas...
Test Day @ Laguna Seca
• Laguna Seca - 86 Chall...
Baseline @ Sonoma by @studiousGR86
• Sonoma Raceway (Repave...
Test Day @ Sonoma
• Sonoma Raceway - 86 Ch...
📸 / gcmak
Setup:
2022 Subaru BRZ in 86 Challenge Stock Class
Parts:
• GT Radial SX2 225/45R17
• Enkei TS-10 17x8 ET45 wheels
• Jackson Racing sandwich plate with custom hoses and 9-20 Setrab cooler core
• GR Performance Exhaust
• Mobile 1 0W40 FS
• Ansix Auto “The Drop” shift knob
Brakes:
• AP Racing/Essex Endurance Front BBK with Ferrodo DS1.11
• OE Rear brakes with Carbotech XP12
Suspension:
• Stock BRZ coilovers
• Pedders Offset Strut Mounts and top camber bolts
Instrumentation:
• Aim Solo 2 DL connected to ASC CAN-bus
• Low Dollar Motorsports Oil Pressure sensor and CANMIM data injector by @nostreetracing86
Alignment:
Front: -2.5° camber, 6° caster, 0° Toe
Rear: -1.5° camber, .07° Total toe in
00:00 - Intro
01:48 - Current Mitigation Strategies
02:52 - (Updated) Pressure Drop Theory
05:00 - Development Paths
06:30 - Testing Timeline
07:50 - Thunderhill East
10:23 - Thunderhill East (Part 2)
11:14 - Sonoma
12:54 - Sonoma (Part 2)
15:08 - Closing Thoughts - Авто та транспорт
This is insane. Literally doing (less than) free work for multi billion dollar companies that cause headache and anxiety for their customers due to lack of R&D. You all are heroes.
Yeah, I’m definitely a better car enthusiast than businessman lol
@@900BRZand in my opinion, that's a good thing
You think Verus is a multi billion dollar company?
@@subieworxI'm assuming he's referring to Subaru, who designed the engine and thus is responsible for the oiling issues.
@@thepno95 good point.
I work with a lot of Japanese folks as my company is Japanese, and a few of them are car enthusiasts. One of them commented about the oiling issues that the BRZ is suffering due to me giving him a ride in my '23 BRZ. In Japan, enthusiasts still think that the issues are caused by excessive RTV! I explained to him in detail the testing you've been doing and the solution Porsche uses for their own boxer engines. Now, I have a more comprehensive video to send him in order to explain exactly what the problem is and what dedicated MURIGANS like yourself are doing to solve this issue. Thanks a bunch! Hopefully Subaru execs in Japan see this video and realize that their engines are not in-fact "track ready."
As soon as it hits the market I'll be placing an order. The huge amount of work you guys are doing is very much appreciated. Thanks!
What he said 😂
I plan to order as soon as the new (deeper?) pan and baffle are designed and tested. I'm sure a lot of BRZ/GR86 owners are watching your progress like hawks and trying to keep our feet under control until the problem is truly solved. Many thanks for your continued efforts.
Well worth a $50 donation, couldn't be happier spending that money. Glad to be a part of this development. Great work Brian and Verus 👍
Thanks so much! Glad to finally be able to deliver some good news!
2 things: As mentioned below, I'm curious whether there will be a similar product for the first gen BRZ like mine. Second, have you considered or tried any skid pad testing with an accurate G meter? Seems like you could eliminate a lot of variables.
I don't even own a GR86 but I'm just invested in this story lol y'all have support from the BMW community!
Haha thanks for watching and for the support!
I don't even own an 86 but I absolutely love the grassroots R&D and proper scientific methods that you're doing. I've been following this saga with great interest, keep up the great work!
Thanks for following along!
Thank you for all of your R&D! You are truly a hero for our community. As I become a faster driver, it’s great to know we have an option that mitigates pressure drops with data to back it up. I’ll be purchasing one as soon as they become available. These cars are truly amazing learning tools.
Thanks, great to hear it!
What a relief this news is 😅 I’m running a stock GR86 on track currently, waiting for a proper solution before installing 3 pallets worth of track parts. I need this badly, Verus. Thank you all vested parties for the work you have all put in 💪
Haha, thank you!
This work substantiates my suspicions that I've always had. This is a 30k car that was bored out in order to get HP gains we all enjoy immensely and makes this car an absolute steal, value wise. I raced a ZR1 through my favorite corner tonight on my drive home and hanging with a car of that caliber and to be in his mirrors at 30k is an amazing accomplishment. We own a world class chassis and a capable powertrain.
I've been following 900BRZ like we all should and have had a 4500 rev warning on my car until we get better data and this video gets us a step closer. The low revs data shows that if you take care of your car, it takes care of you. When you race it full bore, maybe not so much. Those pressure drops look to be unresolved when pushing this car into the stratosphere but there are still questions in my mind like oil temps and maybe a relationship with pressures. My engines never seen 220, but the blow ups on UA-cam we have all seen have been in the 250 plus range
Thanks 900 BRZ for your tireless work!
Thanks! This is why I wanted to leave the conclusions in a subjective framing and let people make up their own minds after seeing the data.
This stuff is absolutely incredible. As someone who is genuinely considering a new BRZ/86 just as an attainable daily drive/sports car, I love seeing this work being done by enthusiasts. I wouldnt even track mine, but I’d still get this pan installed for the sake of making it bulletproof.
if you don’t track the car there is no need to worry unless you don’t maintain it correctly
@@turkicsayajin2274 as per my comment - i’d just want to do it for the sake of making it bulletproof. I’m just autistic like that and dont like the idea of living with a car that has an inherent design flaw that can be fixed with a simple solution.
@@ubernoob103 we are the same i’m gonna get the pan too and im pretty sure im never gonna track it, only touge
Extremely excited to be able to feel I can safely autox and track my car! Thanks everyone for all you've done. Can't wait to see the finished result. I know a lot of people doubted there could even be a fix aside from running an accumulator, citing it's just a shortcoming of the Subaru engine, yet here you are. Stoked, my guy.
Thank you! Very happy to have good news finally!
IT'S HERE!! 🎉
Awesome work! Can't wait to see what this thing looks like 👍🏻
Thank you. As always, appreciate all your videos as well 🤝
Kinda sad that Sub/Toy isnt doing anything about this extremely bad problem that these motors have, but major props to you, and the various collaborators and Verus Eng. on this project. Appreciate you, your guys' hard work, and the R&D and science that is so obviously going into a labor of love for the platform and community. You rock!
Super exciting to see such promising results in a simple solution. A lot of people think this is a non-issue and that it’s blown out of proportion but the risk of an engine failure at all is a huge concern. Great job documenting and outlining the results.
Yeah, I’ve said a couple times if people don’t think it’s a big deal, they don’t have to get the solution we eventually come up with. Took a while, but happy to be on this side of all that work.
My fa24 is being delivered in a few days for my 1st gen swap. I'm super stoked for this, and cant wait for track days and to boost it later in the year. Thank you to everyone who made this improvement!!!!
I've been following the issue very closely from day one. This is by far the most appealing solution I have seen. I hope it works out like the initial data suggest it will.
Thank you!
I own a 2024 BRZ and have been waiting to track it as soon as a promising baffle design is implemented. I am very interested Verus’s solution. Thank you for presenting this in such a professional manner!
Thank you!
Finally i've been waiting for this video to decide whether to or not to buy a brz/gr86. Thank you for all the research!
Same
Thank you Professor 900.
Thank you for all the hard work
Thank you for everything you do!
Best of luck, great work!
Thank you for all this work.
Great analysis and delivery!
You guys are all doing amazing work.
Thank you very much to everyone involved in this whole process. I was considering selling my gr86 ever since the oil starvation issues came to light, however, due to your testing, I will be purchasing the oil pan when it becomes available and keeping my 86. You guys are awesome, thank you again!
Yay, happy to hear you’re gonna keep the 86!
This is HUGE. Thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you all for your persistence and hard work. I hope Verus Engineering will make alot of money for this. I for one will support them with a purchase once the product comes to market. This is the American way.
Incredible. Thanks for the detailed information and research.
Thank you and Verus for all of the work put into this!
very interested and excited to see the final result, keep it up!!!!
Thank you for all your R&D! Looking forward to the final product!
keep up the good work guys. i cant wait to get the finished product.
Very thankful for the continued R&D for this solution. I rallycross my GR86, but despite it being a low-grip motorsport I’m looking forward to buy and install the eventual final product. Great work as always.
Thanks, that sounds like a blast!
Awesome, awesome work. It's really paying off! Thank you my good man.
Subaru / Toyota should be paying you, your friends and this company an incredible amount of money. I sold my GR86 for fears of it blowing up.. I’m very happy in my C6 Vette but I’m very happy you guys have found a solution!!! 🎉🎉
Thank you for helping the community!
Thanks so much for your support!
Excellent news! Thank you for your diligence.
This is amazing work. Thank you 🤝
Damn man. excellent work to you and everyone involved. Really impressive stuff
Looking forward to your next post!
Thank you for putting so much time and effort into this. It's greatly appreciated. I'd like to buy one when they're available.
Thanks for your diligent research. Seems like it will be the best solution for weekend track enthusiasts. I appreciate you!
My excitement is insurmountable, I hope that future results continue to be promising!
Very interested. Thank you so much for the video and thank you Verus for the designing as well! Legends
Cant wait for this to come out so I can feel comfortable tracking my car. Thank you and Verus for all your hard work!
Thank you and Verus for your great work
Definitely will be purchasing as soon as it’s released. Really clear and professional video as usual!
Been waiting for a known solution also! Definitely will need for my 23 brz. Thank you for putting in the work!
I’m getting into track days in the SE region. This will help immensely thank you 900BRZ and Verus!
Big thanks! Definitely will buy when this comes out
Great job! best of luck with this product , and wish you all the success!
Thank you!
Highly anticipated and highly appreciated. Finally it is here. Looking forward to next iteration test result 🎉
Thanks so much
Brian singlehandedly ( with Norcal 86 challenge fams) save the whole community, and the Toyota sales :)
Many hands involved, including Verus and lots of 86 Challenge collaborators. Happy to be able to contribute and tell the story.
Your humility and efforts are appreciated, would be happy to order this pan asap.
Thank you! I will be purchasing this pan when it comes to market!
This is very promising. Thank you so much for doing all this testing! Seriously thank you, now I feel confident to purchase another gr86 as I sold mine since my intended use was track based.
Love to hear that!
I appreciate you so much. Thanks for all the work that you and the other companies have put in and thanks for sharing it with us. I’ve been happy with every Verus product I’ve ever purchased and will be placing an order as soon as they come for sale.
Thank you!
Don't own an 86 but have been following along. There's a lot a similarities between oiling problems in the FA24 and the 2ZZ-GE in my car. Thank you for continuing to share all the data and putting everything in practical terms. This helps a lot more people than just the 86 community!
Love it hear it-thanks for following along and commenting
People think issues like these are limited to Subaru... Meanwhile the LS and many other engines would like a high G word. It just so happens the BRZ is one of the most track focused cars available and is therefore going to get this level of scrutiny. Not saying all engines have these issues, I'm just saying if we had data like this on a lot of sporty cars coming out I think we'd be surprised.
@@802Garage Would love to see this level of data collection on more cars. I know MX5 was developed to have robust oiling up to 1.4 G. I suspect oiling on the B48 and B58 is more robust as well, but haven’t seen actually logged data to prove it.
@@900BRZ For sure! I'm not saying Subaru isn't a big perpetrator. The EJ engines had their own issues, for example. Just that I bet there are a lot of cars with these issues that we hardly even know about.
I’ve heard 98 Camry V6 oil starve in left hand corners. Doesn’t matter because it’s an econobox. I assume lots of “normal” cars would have similar pressure drops if taken to the track. But they’re also not marketed as “track-ready” with launch promos shot at race tracks with pro drivers (referring to the BRZ launch at Thunderhill with Scott Speed)
Your videos are superb, very well made, and thank you for your research and your documentation
Thanks so much!
Subscribed. Your efforts, and more importantly, your efforts to share this information is greatly appreciated!!!
Thank you!
love the effort here, much appreciated
Been super excited for this vid, thank you for your service to the Subaru community!
Thanks so much for your donation 🫡
Bravo. this guy is our hero. Thanks for all those works have done for us.
Nice details. A lot of hard work 👏
Man, props to you guys for doing this, you shouldn’t have to but good thing your are to keep this platform going.
Really great work doing all this testing and collecting all of this date. You, Verus, and the GT86 community are doing some fantastic work. Keep it up!
Thanks for your support!
This information is invaluable.
Incredible work. Im so excited for this solution. It meets the needs of so many in an easy solution. Hope youre rewarded fkr your efforts.
Thanks so much!
I will absolutely be purchasing this solution the second it drops, assuming testing continues to return excellent results. Thanks for your efforts!
Holy hell, this is fantastic!!
Love your methodical work that is back by correctly sampled quantitative evidence to back it up. Keep up the great work
Appreciate it!
Thank you for all that you did on this and continue to do! Eagerly waiting for the final product! Since the current prototype requires the removal of the heatshield on the stock header, I guess I'll have an excuse to get some unequal length headers when I do this haha.
So many options outside of California! Thanks for the support.
Impressive work! I do not own one of these cars yet, but this moves the needle. Thank you for all your work and dedication.
Thanks again for the thoughtful work. I'll take a Verus deep sump the moment they are ready for release.
respect the work, and thank you
You sir, are a Bloody Legend 👏👏👏
This guy sounds like Alex Honnold! Lol great video, congrats on your collaboration with Verus.
Haha also a rock climber. Thanks!
Thanks for all the efforts! Definitely interested in this solution.
Appreciate the work and effort you have been putting into this. this is by means no small feat and requires lots of time and money. this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Thank you!
thank you! verus, we are ready
Definitely will purchase oil pan that is developed when it arrives on market keep up the good work!
Glad to see an easier solution to a problem that OEM isn't willing to solve. I still love the 86/BRZ platform, but the oil starvation issues was really something that threw me off about the ZD8/ZN8. Can't wait to see the finished product.
Thanks for sharing, totally agree
I think your contribution to this topic and the 86 is important and you will only gain more interest, support and good results because the community is next level for these cars. 👍 good luck 🏁 OldSpeed86
Well done...I'll be following closely and will be purchase the product when its ready for production.
Thank you so much for your thorough investigation. I recently purchased my new gr86 (like literally last week) and plan to do some heavy track days in the future. I was starting to get seriously concerned about these starvation issues but these results are extremely promising. Cannot wait for that pan to become available. Thanks again.
Thanks for sharing! Hoping we have something for you soon.
I see a nice improvement in your video production quality aaand oil pressures. Good job!!!
Thank you! Used a more profession recording setup this time but still learning about doing audio well.
Perfect, just what I’ve been looking for as a solution, will be ordering one once it becomes available 👍
Very well done. I think the gains are promessing!
wow im happy to finally hear good news, you guys as a collective are awesome. And I appreaciate your time and concern to fixing this issue. We deserve better for our FA24 86's and you guys are making it happen unlike toyota and subaru. Thank you and hope to see some significant improvements by the the new prototype baffle. VERUS & BRIAN we need you!
Thanks for the support!
I will be doing the easy fix for the time being with a bit of an overfill on oil level, until a final product is available. Again thanks for all the effort you and others in the community are doing to find the best solution for the track enthusiast with these cars and engines.
Sounds good, thanks for sharing!
I'm looking forward to the final product!
So happy I donated, without you and verus i dont think i would have the confidence to go to my local track!
Thank you, happy to finally be able to deliver some good news!
Along for the ride gentleman! Keep up the fantastic work. As I follow along vicariously, the temptation to sell my old NA Miata, in exchange for one of these glorious machines grows.
Nice, love a good NA too.
Thank you very much for you work! I'll place an order as soon as it is available. Hoping you will also sent it to Germany 🤞
Thank you for your commitment to the community. I look forward to install 100 or more Verus oil pans
Thank you! Hoping we can send you that many!
Really exciting stuff!
Hopefully they could also collaborate with some other header manufacturers to allow an aftermarket header & maybe unlock more room for the pan
Yes, hope so too. Could definitely unlock even more oiling performance.
I do not own or plan to own any of the Toyobaru twins, however I have been fully invested in the outcome of your testing. I absolutely love the enthusiasm for a resolution and detailed testing methods. I am rooting for you!
Thanks, love the non-86 support as well!
I have a 2013 FRS and will upgrade to the new GR86 once this oil pan is released. Thanks for your help!
Really happy to see this news. Was feeling pretty discouraged after the poor results from last years testing. My excitement for a completed solution is all time high, and I'll be making a purchase when it comes to market. The ability to have such a simple solution in comparison to the alternatives is great to see. Thank you for all the time and work you've put into this. It's definitely appreciated.
Agree, thanks for sharing!