The Problem with LE SSERAFIM's Sakura
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- Опубліковано 23 кві 2024
- Recently, LE SSERAFIM's Sakura has been receiving a lot of criticism for her singing skills. After her controversial statement regarding their Coachella performance, she's gotten even more backlash. So what is the problem with Sakura and why are people not letting it slide this time?
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It’s a HYBE problem too. They care about charisma and dancing over vocals, they reached out to her to join lesserafim knowing her skills
Agree. They should have been better at selecting someone more skilled or if not made her get vocal lessons.
I didnt see anyone point this out! they knew what her vocal state was and still decided to not do much about it
@@aesserafim585I don't know hybe as a whole but somu is actually in red up until last year
According to news the actual somu is supposedly under NJ director but as she build ador staff and trainee from somu moves to ador and somu rebuild with no trainee nor money thats why the contract for 2 izone member moves from bighit to somu
Hypothetically perhaps the one that supposedly debut first was NJ as it was originally under somu while sakura and chaewon in bighit but as we already known somu is empty house that on deadline to sell something so they haphazardly assembled the group packaged everything they can in less than 6 months, they fact they managed to leap this far is because the Fandom was loyal and whilist i feel both grateful and angered for that
But they really need to back to basic ,good opportunities come the company no longer in red just pushed back the next comeback to next year when hopefully they really ready
Girl Hybe a lot of artists excels in vocals not because one group didn't excel well all of them would be 😅
Stop dragging other hybe artists it just shows jealousy on some of these comments.
😢Oo
The situation with her and Le Sserafim started as a valid criticism. As time went on, it became bullying and harassment.
Yes this is true
That happens to almost every kpop group sadly
@@amorelockster1023 disgusting I watch Coachella and was like whoa they are killing it! I dont like female groups but was like ok. I'm a casual kpop fan but been to a lot of concerts. I am shocked at this behavior this is not a group I wanna be apart of
From kpop youtubers? I guess they focus more on Sakura than the main vocalist Yunjin’s live vocals since they can get more views from Sakura than Yunjin
Agreed. This pattern happened to BP Jennie, I see it happening to Sakura now. There are some nasty bullies out there who need to get a life.
Even as a fan, I think the criticism was valid but some people have taken it too far and now it has turned to bullying and harassment.
Ikr these has been dragging for days
It'll be really hard to see them come out from this. What they should do was take a break, the excuse was tight schedule wasnt it that hinder them to get proper vocal lesson. Fix that schedule and comeback when they're ready. Putting out that statement was foolish damage control, many well established artists have expressed regret even for the smallest mistake on their performance. They should just lay low and practice if they want to prove haters wrong
I agree, criticism is definitely valid, but too much breeds constant negativity and toxicity (which turns new away from having a solidary fandom and community, prevents wins, affects mental health of idols).
Exhibit A: the comment section under
@noemicp
I cannot even accept theor criticism since they do it only because they want to hate her.
Ridiculous.
Toxic bullies
@@min3089you mean weeks
and if sakura gets depressed or decided to end her life yall turn 180 and play victim....
Literally I’m fucking tired of the constant harassment these idols face then we wonder why many idols go on break due to mental illness
@@hunchodm3298 same here.. i feel for her and eunchae.. literally all the fimmies. if one of them gets depressed or ends their life, the ones who say things in the guise of "criticism" might either turn a 180 or play victim without knowing their words in the past.
companies also need to be educated w these issues or else idols will be fucked up mentally and idol suicide rate will increase
@kkurakisseverybody wowww and then they wonder why idols end up c0mm1tt1ng $u1c1d€
We don’t 💀
@@princessmarshellaaurReal
As a fan of the group I can see the criticism is valid.
The thing is we should not confuse constructive criticism with harassment.
Sakura got to dance so much better over the years but her singing, while sad to say, still does fall short of what you would expect.
It’s fine to say that she can’t sing or should improve her vocal abilities, that’s criticism. But what will never be criticism is hatred. And that’s what a lot of people are doing, I’m seeing more comments totally unrelated to her singing abilities on social media these days, there’s a difference between critique and straight up hatred.
her dancing improvement absolutely shocked me! I believe there is hope for her voice she just needs to really focus on improving her vocals and not "putting on a show" or whatever she said
I agree with you completely. On the flip side, just because some took it too far doesn’t mean people cannot criticize them (with good intentions) anymore.
When I read she puked blood from over practicing or something like that, I started to think she needs some kind of hiatus. She has a terrible vocal coach and needs time to go find one that actually cares for her or just needs time to process what she's learning. It makes no sense that she's damaging herself this much while getting vocal lessons. All my negative feelings are fully directed at Hybe for being such money hungry demons and putting this hardworking girl at risk.
@@humanbean1004 I'm getting to the point where i think she needs vocal reconstruction or something.. her vocals are so shakey even when talking it's scary
Yes it's true Sakura needs more training in her vocals but the hate she is receiving is too much (let's not confuse this with criticism) Hybe should train all idols in their company in the vocal department as it's not Sakura alone who netizens are complaining of their vocals
You are so right! All of them! Even Chaewon Who's most stable still needs to train more!
It's bullying not constructive criticism.
@seventeenisrightthereyea and it’s super sad
It's disturbing from.the outside looking in. Like fr fr. Like it's sick. Twisted. All the talk about morals and standards then the comments don't match that bs
Who’s hating? This fake news? Click bait?
The standard for singing in kpop is much lower than the standard for dancing. Honestly, when I first joined the kpop community, I was shocked to hear the kpop artists call themselves singers. Yes there are singers amongst them, but they are mostly performers that release music. And personally I'm fine with it. After all, it's not only happening to kpop : it's a worldwide phenomenon. The music industry is just less and less about having good vocals.
If you are a fan or at least familiar with Jpop then you will know that this is common in Japan, especially groups under the LDH agency, all of their groups do not have to be able to sing or are required to sing, one group has a minimum of 7 people or can be more but the singer only 1 or 2 people and the rest are just performers and honestly I really enjoyed it and it was very entertaining, I don't know if kpop fandoms are too toxic or what to demand that all their idols must be able to sing well, their agency should be the one to blame, not their idols, that's why sometimes I'm sick of kpop fandom.
I agree
If they care so much about vocals then they should go and harass other GG where the members cannot sing because why do you think the visual position exists? Do you know how many groups have a member that cannot sing or is just a visual and attracts many people?
But look, those fans are not harassing other idols.
So why hating only on Sakura?
Actually I dont want you to hate other idols just trying to prove you something. Because hating on another idol is toxic.
Let her improve in her own pace. She has already improved in korean, dancing and stage presence. She has a naturally shaky voice so she will not improve in one day. Give her time and stop hating.
But even at coachella she was so stable so why not praising her? So why just choosing hate?
I cannot imagine myself wstching a video performance of my non favs and then commenting something bad and also dead threats becuase why not
How can somrone be this toxic?
And these people who are hating on her and LS dont rwaluze they are BULLIES.
They need a reality check.
Some people are not meant to be main vocalists and thsts also fine
@@annanowak9620 Well said
Idk about other groups, but ive has much better vocals in the 4th gen. Two members were also part of iz-one, so was Sakura.
Constructive criticism is important, but it's essential to be mindful of the boundaries in how it's expressed.
I love how this comment section is so mature. Criticism on groups and individuals is okay but I feel like most kpop stans don't know where to draw the line. They harass and push idols too much finally people are noticing it. Though I wish it was noticed sooner then we wouldn't have lost so many of them.
It’s refreshing to see a comment like this about this group i pray harassment doesn’t affect them in any way
The ironic thing is, people don’t treat boy groups like this. When WannaOne debuted, Jihoon got first place with minimal singing skills, basic dance skills. The only thing he had was charisma. Guan Lin also debuted but he had no singing skills, no rap skills and no dance skills. Bae Jinyoung, also debuted with bad vocals, dance skills or stage presence. And guess what, neither of green got any hate like Sakura is getting. Why? Because kpop boys are OPPAR
Exo even after 12 years in the industry and all their years of training still take voice lessons. If she wants to be better at singing, she needs to put in the work and demand from Source Music and Hybe to give her more lessons. I'd love to see her and the other girls improve and be able to bite back at the haters and show that their hard work is getting them their achievements and not their pretty faces.
SM’s artists pay private vocals classes on their own. SM don’t provide anything to them after the debut sadly, but the artists give a lot of attention to their vocals in SM, it’s almost cultural at this point, that’s why with or without SM helps they keep training their vocals.
Shoot exo can sing sing so yeah they said it’s an investment 😅
After they debut they pay for their vocal lessons on their own when they want to improve or try different techniques but when training SM has vocal teachers. One of them was invited in an episode in sisters slamdunk 2 and he used to be an SM artist as well.
yess i would love to see them vocally grow and blossom
You guys keep using this “12 years in the industry” argument but Japanese idols don't get voice Lessons, they never did. They memorize the song lyrics on their own and meet up maybe 3 times a week for dance rehearsal (not lessons). Izone didn't get any training either, so up until now she's only had 1 year of being a trainee
I feel like hybe is partly to be blamed because they didn’t help their artists improve despite the previous criticism. This goes for the other girls too and not just Sakura. LSF are already amazing dancers and have great stage presence so maybe they should have shifted their preparation by focusing on their vocals. It seems like this level vocal ability is accepted by the company because this isn’t the first time they were called out yet there was barely any improvement. Her statement just rubbed people the wrong way because there was no accountability. Is it too much to ask for singers who can sing? I like the girls and their songs so I hope they get better and overcome this.
Hybe should not have debuted someone like Sakura in the first place.. She has no talent except dancing..
Its because BSH was so greedy from fame and money, he recruited sakura and chaewon base on popularity of izone, and just took 4 mediocore girls.. they can just cheat their way coz they have already big fanbase to help them
do you know Sakura is a MULTI MILLIONAIRE ?? so why does she not hire a team of vocal trainers ???
hybe should seriously fucking say something instead of artists' taking all the punches
tbh what can they say when it stemmed from a brewing issue that has been there since the groups creation? not to mention ppl will just turn arnd and say "well why tf did u debut them so soon then?! and you expect fans to not be angry for yall trying to pump new groups on us?"
they wont.. money is more important than your idol
Loool hybe can’t even get their sublabels under control. This is what happens when you grow your company inorganically by acquiring, acquiring and acquiring.
Hybe is the biggest victim. Bang PD is super scared of Min Heejin that is why he manipulated the most gullible armys into protecting him. For free of course. He's broke. He can't afford lawyers so armys have to cosplay lawyers to defend him in youtube comments.
HYBE is one of the richest K-pop companies,but yet they can’t even get their idols vocal lessons.Its honestly disappointing on how HYBE takes care of their idols,they put dance and charisma over vocals.
Maybe she just does not want to train. How come a lot of their boy groups are good?
@@jojofilosopo8625she's actually one of the most hardworker idol. But vocal lesson are much much harder than dancing. You can dance really good by a month lesson, but you can't be good singer over years. People like you won't understand coz you never be in vocalist shoes. I started to to sing since 10 and I become good at 15, and get used to the technique at 25. The fact sakura just started at HYBE and she got the lesson in the age of 24 is nearly an impossible thing for her. She should've do that in the age of 13 atleast, but J-Idol company is about dance cutely, and entertain people. Most of their vocal just ok.
What a lame excuse....lol that's why she needs vocal lesson to improve lol@@multifandom8274
hybe only needs them to be successful until BTS returns, so they rather do payola than invest in their training
There are a ton of vocal trainers working for Sakura at Hive. While there are gemstones that can be cut into diamonds, there are also gemstones that simply cannot be made into jewelry. Sakura doesn't have enough talent that she can solve it with just her hard work.
Let's be real. It's not just sakura. Almost all of them need to be back on vocal training. But please people there is a line between criticism and hate. Constructive criticism is okay, but hate comment that have nothing about their lack of skill, but just pure hate is a no no.
I feel so bad for her. I have taken vocal lessons for years and I can promise you that anxiety will negatively impact your vocals. I’m sure this girl gets stressed every single time she picks up a mic. People say why doesn’t she quit, but there would be tons of people upset about her quitting. She is in a tough spot. My question to everyone is what happened to treating others how you would like to be treated?
Yes but it’s still valid for people to say she should be good at her job. Everyone gets stage fright but it is privilege or a little unrealistic that someone who wasn’t good keeps getting a pass for trying . There are so many other talented people who never get any attention yet Sakura gets praised for just trying but still with little results. And that’s not totally on Sakura cuz people like what they like. But also real life doesn’t work like that where you can keep getting promoted despite poor performance. Even if you can get by with charm and personality that won’t stop people from critiquing. But I agree things are getting crazy and just bullying. It’s fine to say a singer could improve their talent and skills but that shouldn’t turn into hating.
It is a rough spot bc yess if she quit all of a sudden ppl would feel bad. I think her only option is to ignore the hate and just keep improving until she can show her skills one day . Like prove them all wrong
she wanted to debut. she wanted to sing. as an idol she still has a responsibility to perform well.
@@yooyeongfand she did perform well, they’re job isn’t JUST singing. Being a performer is way more than that. Does she and her group need so e extra practice? Sure, but don’t undermine the talent and charisma these women already have.
@@DDKYY Yet they call themselves singers... If they just wanted to dance join a dancing company maybe ?
No one expects them to sing perfectly while dancing. But how come they can't carry out the tune of their own songs while just standing up ??? I mean my nieces do better during karaoke night...
@@MelMoui they never called themselves singers? what are you on? they're literally called kpop idols, not singers. Being an idol is not just singing, it's about the whole package - performing and fan service. This is what drives me crazy with kpop nowadays, i've been an avid listener since first gen and kpop WAS NEVER about vocals. I don't understand why this is such an issue now? Half of SNSD can't belt notes, Wonder Girls debuted with Sohee who can't sing, half of After School always lip synced. Kpop has always been about showing different concepts, showing cool choreo, and cool music videos. So why are vocals being focused on now? If y'all are so interested in vocals, why don't you listen to Ariana Grande? Adele? don't go to kpop for vocals, simple as that.
Sakura is very charismatic, and that's why she succeeded in Japan. Koreans seeing her popularity and charisma allowed that to block her lack of abilities. She is great for what she's doing and what she's been through, but it's clear she isn't cut out for Kpop yet, she trained for Jpop. It's like training vocals and expecting to now be able to dance. They are different talents, so Sakura isn't "talentless", she is very good at what she knows how to do. HYBE should've trained them more before debuting, end of story.
Sakura was in izone for 3 years. She’s plenty trained. It’s a matter of ONGOING training after debut
She can train forever and still not carry a damn tune. You either have the gift or you don't. She can improve but don't mean she gonna train her way to becoming Adele! She won't. She's not a strong singer. So what? Neither are most idols. And? These trainees aren't artist or went to college for music or classically trained. The company bringing in a vocal coach isn't true vocal training done at a professional level. The ignorance is high in these comments. Vocal training take consistency and a vocal coach that knows their shit. I don't have too much faith in a so called vocal coach from a music company that wants to hurry and debut their new group
@@Theinfamouskiki411 singing is about training > natural talent. Training can get you very very far. Yet you sit here online bullying a 20 something girl. Look in the mirror. Tf is wrong with you
Cute how koreaboos are acting like singing means anything in kpop like there aren't plenty of korean idols who are just as tone deaf as her?
@@Theinfamouskiki411 ANYONE can learn how to sign decently. ANYONE.
Her statement made the situation worse. The hate train could have been mitigated.
she should have added something along the lines of "Ill work harder on my vocals because I lack alot"
@@aesserafim585 The haters don’t even care about her voice. They jump in the hate train because this is perfect time for them to attack her. Just tell us you guys don’t like her. That will be more believable
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 for what ive seen, the main focus is their vocals
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 they have the looks the dance but not the vocals..they should've atleast pour decent heart on improving their vocals.
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279you do realize that some people are not hating on her right??some are just stating the obvious facts..
The actual problem is there are so many talented kpop groups but people only approach those groups who are popular 😕 now people only listen to tik tok famous songs ,now it doesn't matter if you have talent or not if it is popular in tiktok then it's a hit song now lyrics doesn't matter....the graph of Kpop songs are just going down 📉📉📉 I used to like kpop so much due to its content and lyrics but now whole kpop industry needs recognition from western industry they are just loosing.I liked kpop because it was unique and interesting now it is becoming boring .
I still watch SNSD's live performances. What a legend. Kpop nowadays could never.
As you said yourself people only pay attention to popular groups that’s what makes it boring. There are so many underrated groups with good songs (actual good songs). CSR is a girl group which reminds me of Gfriend and Twice. Onepact is currently my fav boygroup and their songs are so 3rd gen coded.
I am sorry but I really don’t watch popular groups because their popular, I love Lesserafim’s members and their concept and songs
In the end, hybe will monopolize everything and keep producing the same low effort groups in a very short time, so the smaller groups with an actual talent wont even have a chance.
Agree. I feel like nowadays, people will accept whatever those companies feed them, and they will defend mediocrity.
I understand not caring about hate and keeping your peace. We all want that.
But when millions of people are watching you and on top of that, you've been doing it for 12/13 years now and can't do even simple notes it should be concerning. Honestly, if she just admitted that she's not all that (after all, she said it herself that she requested as few lines as possible due to her not being confident in HER OWN VOICE) why just lie and make up excuses? Bruh
She performed at the festival, and the ONES WHO SPEND MONEY TO GO THERE ENJOYED LSF PERFORMANCES...So the ones who didnt spend a penny shouldnt have a problem, their fans know what they are capable of and still spend their money ans went there, so what SO CALLED OTHERS problem🤔
@@safasathar1019 I agree, but when the criticism is so bad it reaches national television news in South Korea, you just know it's bad. Some of the songs were performed well, some of them were simply bad. It's something that she needs to at LEAST take into consideration, not just shrug away and say everyone's wrong when she acknowledged her flaws herself but when others point it out it's wrong? C'mon y'all.
@@safasathar1019 Y'all used the same shitty arguments with Blackpink.
@@lv4056then ignore her? Stop wasting your time on something you don't like.
Womp womp
Man let's be honest if it would not have been for HYBE LSM would not even reach COACHELLA with those vocal skills-
Let's be honest, only ignorant people think Coachella is anything more than a popularity contest. Whoever is popular goes, that's how it works.
yup, that is just reality, there are many talented groups who deserved to be there but nah, they decided to take them
That's called life. Life isn't fair.
lets be honest coachella isnt a big deal as it is presented as because unknown artists from america also perform their
@seventeenisrightthere ifkr!!!! like instead of LSM , groups like SVT, MAMAMOO, SKZ should hve been there performing they got experience and are confident with their skills
As a Fearnot (fan of le sserafim) I have to agree that the girls have to improve their vocals a lot and take the constructive criticism they've been receiving to improve themselves. But guys, there is a thin line between healthy criticism and bullying/harassing. At the start of this whole scandal things were a little in control and I supported the people who claimed that the girls needed improvement in the vocals, but now as time has passed, they are literally harassed and bullied online and getting death threats. In fact, if you did not know Eunchae's( the youngest member who is 17) parents/relatives addressed the hate she was getting and they were NOT HAPPY. I cannot imagine what the members might be going through because they are still quite young, especially Eunchae, who is a minor. I understand the group has not been doing great vocal vice, and the Coachella performance was not the best. Still, at the end of the day, we need to remember that they also have feelings and emotions, and they are humans, and at the end of the day it's just for our entertainment. And you shouldn't bully them because of their vocals because it can cause depression or serious mental health problems for all 5 girls. If you do not like their vocals, writing a small and healthy constructive criticism towards them is okay, but what's not okay is to comment crap, and if you still are bothered, then just ignore, no need to express ur hate towards them publicly, safely keep it to yourselves. And we should all make sure to reference their improvements, such as Coachella week 2 (I personally like it, but you might disagree) it was way better, and they sang live most of the time and it was more stable than week 1, but ofc more improvement is required.
I’ve been a Kpop fan for about 8yrs now and I still find it mind blowing that Kpop idols are quite literally made to grovel at knetizen’s feet for even the slightest transgression. While I realize the culture in Korea and Asia is very different from America since in Korea an idol’s fan’s hold immense power over the idol’s career… still… it’s kind of disturbing tbh how they can turn on idols on a dime. You would never catch an American or maybe even international artist (depending on the country) “begging” for forgiveness from fans for dating, singing off-key, or getting sick. The power dynamics is completely reverse here. Really interesting.
Korean here and you are absolutely right. Kpop idols may have far more international fans by numbers, but knetizens opinions carry the most weight. An idols career begins or ends with knetizens. Koreans typically don’t comment on youtube, but when they do, its dead serious. Le sserafims coachella performance is one the most criticized situations I have seen, it was even on korean national news. I am very concerned about their future in the music industry.
Probably because korean idol fans spend so much more money on merch, physical albums and subscriptions. I tried New jeans subscription for Phoning for a month and was weirded out cause they text you as a collective. Aint even a real conv.
It’s actually just the new kpop fans honestly, the gen’z. I started to listen to kpop when i was eleven and now 26, there’s so much difference from the fans then and now
some of them seem to even use this form of power to dogpile on idols they hate for no reason. terrifying stuff.
That letter she wrote pretty much explains why she never improved. She's stuck on the mentality of "even if there's hate, our fans will still support us". She deflected the criticisms and based them as worthless hate which doesn't define her skills. I wonder if the members feel the same. I'm relieved that she has the confidence even after the harassment she got but wish she seriously reflects on her skills through the criticisms she got
Well i feel like Chaewon and Yunjin also have that mentality that everyone who criticizes them is a hater and don't matter. That seems to be the concept of the group too. It could be Hybe itself pushing that mentality onto the girls to make them fit their concept of unbothered and powerful girls. If your company keeps telling you you can do it all and no one can judge you, you are bound to believe it
I agree
I agree, at 4:10 she says that people have been telling her she can't sing and instead of saying that she will try to improve, she acts victim and says it's hard for her to enter the recording room. Instead of getting vocal lessons, she'd rather get less lines.
Bruh, the girl literally chose to have fewer lines during debut bc she knows her current state. Wouldn't people bully Garam and SouMu kicked her out of the group, Sakura would still get the less amount of lines together with Eunchae. They are in 5 and it's right they all sing, the company should provide the support with trainers, etc... She is right about discarding people who just throw her hate tbh. At this point, it's just harassing her for the sake of it.
It's the japanese idol mindset.Japanese idols get supported because they are good looking or have a good personality,japanese fans don't care about talent,singing,dancing they even like idols who has no talent because it's "cute".
Dua Lipa faced a lot of criticism and hate for her dancing skills and instead of saying: "I'm doing my best (girl bye), the most important thing is that I'm having fun, please don't hate :(((((,, ,she worked her ass out, and now she's praised for the progress she has made and called great performer. maybe SOMEONE should take notes....
Exactly! Give them time to improve and they will! It’s unrealistic to expect them to improve overnight! They already showed improvement within one week and I have full trust that they will improve over time! These people just want to hate because they’re getting popular
@@PikaChu-uz4su They have hated since debut for their vocals.
frr
This is true even in Kpop. Great singers like Baekhyun still take vocal lessons and Taemin used to be a weak singer but worked on improving . Now look he’s a top soloist
Bit Sakura improved in week 2. She was stable.
But look people decided to hate and bully instead of praising her fpr improving
The real tone deaf are the fans that think their idols are amazing singers😂😂😂
It’s ok to acknowledge where your idols are lacking, and support them in improving their talents
You can support ur them whatever you want But you can't stop people to say something about them. Imagine, them being an IDOLs but can't sing??! For real?? Embarrassing 💀
@kkurakisseverybody people like me who is honest?? People like me who don't give a F of people like you too. I don't hate them, I don't even mention I hate them. It's just let them sing properly bcoz being an idol is a "pride" bcoz ur one of a kind. Ur called an idol but u can't sing??? 💩
@kkurakisseverybodyRead what op is saying though. They're idols , they're expected by the very least to atleast have some vocal skills. Also I've seen fearnots and bunnies in some comments say that they are so rich they can buy people so that's not also cyberbullying?
I think it was so early for le sserafirm to perform at Coachella. It's only one and half year. They need experience and talent. They need practice and consistency in lessons. In these type of situations it was really wrong for Sakura to not accept her fault and in fact question the people. Ofcourse it must be hard for her since she is in entertainment for a long period of time but I hope she brings better version of herself.
It was too early to even debut. Kazuha only had her ballet experience and has no singing/rapping experience. Eunchae had nothing but they both only got less than 6 months of training...
Yeah, its really wrong
@salembejaoui1880 that just goes to show that training isn't that important if you can become very successful without it. There are idols who've trained for several years and still struggle to sing live, but it doesn't really matter because it's about what sells at the end of the day.
Same thought i had first time I heard the news about Coachella I mean the group had no real experience on west stages they prematurely nearly every aspect both the group and the stage director ,Presumably after news we came to know it was, as promptly the original staff from somu moved to ador for NJ and the now somu is makes from part of other subsidiary in 2021 and not only they just rebuild the entire company they also had no trainee left as everyone goes to ador, the group it self not exactly lacking in terms of talent if we just trace back their past before debuted, but with no time to actually nurture it the company setting them on coalitions course that perhaps could permanently damage the group , if they actually learn from these past promotions they better back to basics and push back the promotions to next year , the company no longer in verge of bankruptcy so take their slowly is not a bad approach
And as wizone myself izone kids always like pinky toes to me it's hard to seeing them handled these way
"not accept her fault"... bro she was the one that requests to sing less lines and she already said she's tried her best at the moment . yall are blind fr. if you watched "the world is my oyster" documentary, you'd know how hard they all worked. your statement proves that you're not even a fan and you're judging them for personalities you never looked into, only based on one post... haha. fearnots know better at least. talk about being judgemental 🙄 you should start learning how to appreciate people's efforts, not just the results. yes, it's not all good. but it aint all bad either. tbh, both extremes have carried it way too far. now they actually sang on week 2 and yall saying it's lip syncing lmao. aespa stans: "but you're not allowed to lip sync" also aespa stans: "no, lsf definitely lip synced"... (im about to stop supporting any of your groups all together and im about to stop calling myself a fearnot, this mess is tiring)
"I became insecure. I became afraid to go inside the recording booth"
instead of "I realized my vocals are lacking, I decided to take vocal lessons right away"
not only that, she keeps saying but we are working so haaaaard. it's giving JLo levels of delusion jfc
Yeah I don’t feel bad for the Le sseraflops people acting like they’re oppressed minorities when this is what they signed up for. Tired of conventionally attractive idols who can’t do shit getting praised and babied while people with talent can’t even pass an audition bc of their looks.
Unless you are in that position you should consider shutting your mouth tbh.
exactly she adds fuels to the fire with her letter that literally says "Everyone has a different standard" like cmon 😓😓
@@yacobeinauan9533 I literally do work in a vocal field and people in this industry will tell you even harsher things so the critique she’s getting is light work also even if you’re not a singer you can tell when someone is a flop at their job, you wouldn’t trust someone who failed medical school to give you surgery because “I tried with all my might🥺😩”
Actually she said smth to encourage herself and others to do more that what it takes. But the OP only quotes some words and people think it's all what Sakura said is really hilarious. Unless you're dumb enough to always read and listen only about a bad things.
honestly I keep seeing people say that their hard choreography is the reason they couldn’t perform well. If that was the case, then why do they struggle to sing while standing still? they should have focused more on singing rather than choreography for coachella because no one really cares about how hard your choreography is at coachella. I was even more disappointed with their week two performance because instead of actually trying to sing better they just lip synced and had such a loud back track
Itvyou actually watched the other performances you would have noticed that they didnt lip synch at all.
Also dont forget that they had a quiet backtrack as well as other groups that performed at coachella.
And you know what singing and dancig at the same time is very difficult if you dont have backtrack as certain groups
they don't care, they are proud of using autotune and backtrack, they can't sing and they say "it's fearless", accept that your favs can't sing and are arrogant, le sserafim doesn't get hate for existing, they created the problems by themselves it all could be avoided if they only took vocal lessons and wouldn't use autotune live, also ateez and blackpink was able to sing normally at coachella so why le sserafim can't? stop excusing them, because even chaewon was able to do something and was carrying her group, if chaewon could do it why other members can't?
Le sserafim weren’t using auto tune live what on earth are you talking about?
Also yunjin was doing her best as well.
They sang live it was just vocal smoothing and a louder backtrack in week 2 every kpop group Used vocal smoothing even blackpink and ateez you can never please kpop fans week 1 was without vocal smoothing and nearly all backtrack was removed and that Shows how much they improved in fact Blackpink was the one with loud backtrack where they shouted you Don't understand that every live stage whould Sound like that without backtrack And vocal smoothing
They didn't use Autotune
HYBE idols don't need vocal training, just showing visuals is enough to sell even with mediocre vocals, what happens in LE SSERAFIM is that their vocals are just standard, maybe there are just 1 or 2 members who have slightly better vocals to support the group, but that weakness is always covered by their visuals, this also happened again with ILLIT, I'm also not saying that NewJeans' vocals are good or better, it's just that NewJeans carries the Y2K concept (which their fandom claim is a fresh concept) and which coincidentally is liked by many fandoms, so almost no one has a problem with NewJeans members' vocals. What's more ironic is that they are in the same agency group and their toxic respective fandoms insult each other.
10:32 - of course people care about vocals…. they’re supposed to be singers… 😑
personally i care about dancing more🤷♂️
@@pohelnaxyi8it is performing😂
@@pohelnaxyi8 you need a dance cover group or a dance crew 😅
Being an idol in Asia is not just singing like America, you must have a personality, a Character of your own, a dancer, good looking, funny, a variety show genius. And that’s why Sakura has a lot of fans in korea japan.
@@Emu-emu you need to find a CELEBRITY then 😅
This makes people feel bad because many other hardworking artists cannot reach the success they deserve, and that is so unfair. She conveys that she does not need to make an effort to succeed.
If you know Sakura's journey then you know that it's completely false to say that she didn't make an effort.
@@KiraKuranookEven during PD48, I always felt off like how did she get an A during the first evaluation. Just cause of her already established fanbase? Natural Charisma? Imagine you're a korean trainee during the program and witnesses this. It's unfair to begin with. They really set her up into a position where we expect she HAS to be at that level already. And it badly backfired up until this moment. If they had acknowledge the lack of skills right from the start, this wouldn't have happened. Sakura have always been getting by through the course of her career, like let's just be honest. Sure ger journey was ling and she started at a young age, but she has always been getting by in the industry.
I'm not hating on Sakura, or anyone else. Hate takes too much energy, and im too old for that. Im just disappointed that that she doesnt give time to train her vocals, because if she did, there would be noticeable differences. With that said, i do hope she puts more effort into. Her vocals doesn't have to be her strongest point, but just decent enough to let her truly enjoy singing and performing.
@kkurakisseverybody correction (*sorry if I am also wrong 😅) she had personal classes in as far back as antifragile Era (*I forgot) in who's weverse it was she's cameoing just for few minutes and said need to go for vocal classes, easy was different she received another class for it was different genre/technique required was different from what she's already had prior
My personal guess is melodic rap was the class as the breathing technique requirement was very different for her part before easy comeback
She improved a lot on week 2 coachella and she was very stable.
I dont know why people decided to hate instead of praising her.
Such bullies
@@annanowak9620 tone deaf
Idk, I never cared to learn their names or anything, so when I watched some Coachella videos I didn’t have a bias. I was expecting something worse tbh, but there were moments when it was just bad, and I thought the one with the long hair was doing really poorly. Oc I don’t jump into conclusions and just left it like that without commenting or anything, but now I see that others think the same… but tbh I think their songs aren’t written to be musically that impressive. Idk I just don’t like the group and their concept in general, so maybe for me, them singing badly isn’t that big of a deal.
According to the story told in this video, she doesn’t have so much experience, even if she’s been an idol for long. It is a very curious case of someone who became popular only because of her charisma but now has to prove skills that she never had in the first place. That is just cruel and impossible. I blame the company for making her debut like this. Was it because they wanted a popular idol? It wasn’t required of her to be a good singer to be in her original Japanese group, so that was fine. And the second group was formed based on popularity, which made it make sense that she debuted there. But for a more serious group formed by a company they should’ve been more selective with the skills, or at least trained her better and for more time. Really, I don’t think it’s her fault, when she has been praised all her life just for being likeable, to a greater degree than we will ever understand. I don’t excuse her bad response to criticism, but I do see how it has got to this point, and even that response makes sense given her experience with fans in the past. Instead of having to deal with it in public they should try to help her re-learn skills that she needs as an adult idol. Singing, dance, rap and manners. That takes time. But the way things are with Hybe right now, I doubt they will give them the time that the group (not just Sakura) needs. Money before everything, right Hybe?
omg a rational person in the comments. bless ur beautiful brain
Well said 🎉
"skills she never had in the place" no one is asking her to suddenly belt in the fifth octave or do anything challenging, we are just asking her to stay on tune and sing 5 seconds without her voice wobbling like a child (something a lot of non-singers can easily do). you said it herself, she's an adult idol, and if an adult is aware that they lack the most basic of basics in their work and doesn't even try to improve on it in 13 YEARS of work, then it's all on THEM.
Y’all she’s been an idol for 13 years, can we please be serious. How you a singer for 13 years and can’t sing? Why do fans expect us to baby someone who can’t even do the main part of their job.
I can't imagine still being that bad at something 13 years into it...
Also so many fans act like there aren't any rookie idols that have been great performers since day 1 (as expected after so much training). I've seen so many comments of people saying that they're just 2 years after debut but...this is Sakura's third debut. Where's the excuse?
Or just leave the entertainment industry
Why I can't understand is that she has been trying to be a singer since 13yrs old and yet she still has bad singing skills? Tbh no excuse. Watch fans go crazy.
A singer is not the same as an idol 🤦🏻♀️ idols do different things not only sing
You'd have to watch documentary videos about AKB48 and its sister groups. The one by Ploopy678 (a K-Pop fan channel) is a really good one.
To make the story short, AKB48, their sister groups, and similar groups like theirs, were never about technical skills, it was always about entertaining and winning fans (like this video said). Members, if interested, take vocal lessons independently. (Takeuchi Miyu is a good example)
The term "idol" in J-Pop is completely different from the "idol" term in K-Pop. They're not the same.
I'm not defending Sakura or anything, but she has to realize that things K-Pop idols do are not the same is in Japan. I thought she learned all that from being an IZ*ONE member but I guess that's not the case.
The new J-Pop girl group ME:I, the winners of PRODUCE 101 JAPAN THE GIRLS, have better, fresher vocals than LSM altogether. None of them came from AKB48 or its sister groups, but 2 of them came from other J-Pop girl groups (Angerme, Girls2), who have better and stronger vocals than the 48 groups.
@@whiteRiceSupremacist kpop idols are not kpop singers??? From the word Korean Pop aren't we supposed to expect a music from there? What a lame excuse. 😒
respect to you for saying this. I swear, some fans are so delusional that they'll call it "bullying" when you say that a singer should be able to sing 🙄
@@whiteRiceSupremacist are u kidding me?
3:44 Garam did nothing wrong. She is a brave girl who stood up against the demon child Eunso.
I say we bring her back 👀
@@aesserafim585 if she was still with le sserafim ,she would take the most hate ,it's good that she isn't in this evil industry
That’s what I’m saying that apology doesn’t sit right with me..
It’s HYBE he only cares about visuals and dancing
Well she the oldest member and to me that was her sticking up for her little sisters because we dont get to see what all that online bullying did to them so for that she has my respect!
True
Everybody can be trained to sing somewhat fine but some people need lot more time
She would have learnt by now, she's clearly not trying.
12+ yrs, how much time can one need?
Yet Chaewon MASSIVELY improved since Izone. Did Sakura even train? Cause the state of her skill after 12 years is concerning
Agree
J idol had no training nor izone gives any training
She's not vocally gifted nor claimed to be vocal line either the actual training she received is after get into hybe, and from there some classes she appointed herself that also after joining hybe/big hit
And the states of company is not helping her case either as somu is not only scrapped and re assembled with minus economy they also on deadline for selling something
Her vocals in izone much more horrendous than this and her progressing on baby step which not really bad but not enough for the industry, I really hope they and company look back these comeback and really back to basic and pushed back their next comeback as far as they needed couse to be honest the whole group actually shaky
But she’s been signing for over a decade, how can she not improve? That means she’s really bad.
Because for Japanese idols it really doesn't matter how well you sing
There are some idols who are well known for not being good singers, and not in a derogatory way. It's just a fact that people know about them. Idols are entertainers, so their personality matters more than anything
Her time singing in hkt hardly counts because they just let her sing however with no vocal training or direction
😭😭😭
It’s insane how lesserafim became everyone’s favorite with easy & smart although there was some hate a lot of people liked them. Now I feel like they lost a lot of fans from Coachella.
Still can’t forgive HYBE for doing this to them. They basically set them up for failure and they don’t even care about it. Is it really fine to see your idols getting hate EVEN from fans??? This is such a disaster and hybe could’ve prevented ALL of this.
Honestly I’ve also never understood why she’s super popular but the hate that she gets is not justified. People need to leave her alone, if you don’t think she’s a good singer stop listening to their music, it’s really not that hard. Don’t mask your harassment by calling it criticism.
Yeah
It effects all K-pop groups when they are pushed to other Countries. I don’t like anyone being bullied or threatened though that’s going to far. I hope the idols who can’t sing get more support in-house, but if the company just pays their way rather and just continues to ignore the problem it will effect them all in the group.
Because people literally work so hard to become an idol and don’t even get the opportunity but she’s so privileged and spoiled and doesn’t use it.
Sakura already had a lot of haters before. But ever since Coachella things escalated from bad to worse. Fans of other girl groups of 4th gen who weren’t invited got bitter comparing their favorite group to LSF. Bitter Blinks (which I don’t get Blackpink was headliner and undeniably number 1 why bring others down?). Then Aespa fans were also attacking because Aespa got hate during their time. New Jeans fans saying it should have been NJ at Coachella. Ive fans well this one I don’t need to explain and so on. That is why the hate is so strong aside from the usual Haters who drag her vocals + other stuff
Because if we don’t call this out, nothing will change. Companies will continue to not care about idols having skill and debut filler members who don’t actually have talent.
I love how everyone is saying that this is bullying lmao. She will never be able to sing and isn’t a great employee. How is her management not panicking at this??
End of the day, THEY need to make sure their employees make them money and Sakura can’t even do that. I wonder what he colleagues think of her…
Regardless of improvement or progress, the whole issue is widespread that even casual people like me know how much flak Sakura did with the anchor stage.
I mean branding wise this would give an impression of the issue itself just like in Coachella.
The problem isn't just hate or criticism but the brand image of the grouped dipped to a skewed perception and this would lead to loss of ROI for Hybe which is alarming.
But Sakura is one of their money. Most of the album sells from that Wota or smth 48g fans.
Literally like she’ll be fine 💀 people trying to compare her to sulli like leave her out of this. She ain’t on sulli’s level, at least back then idols could sing.
in a world where you could choose to be anything, she just chose to be ignorant and tone deaf
Seowon from unis was born in 2011 yet she has years of skills built up that Sakura doesn't have it's kinda crazy
the fact that sakura DEBUTED in 2011 is even crazier 😭😭
I mean, she's like a 'senior swimmer' who can't swim, went to the Olympics out of all the other competent athletes, to drown, and after getting saved, said that her intention is not winning but just having a good time.
She might have caused her country name, teammates reputation, and audience money, but at least she tried her best and wants everyone to understand.
I get why people pissed.
If they are pissed then they should go outside and touch grass.
Thry dont have to listen to their music.
I dont understand such people.
Also they are bullies. For example Sakura was so stable on coachella and what ? People decided to hate her instead of praising her.
Bullies. They just want to hatem
@@annanowak9620 She sounds slightly better during coachella, thanks to the heavy pre-recorded backtrack on the 2nd day onwards, proving my point that she still sounds like an improved rookie despite her years of experience way surpassing her groupmates and even Black Pink (who did way better at Coachella tbh).
@@annanowak9620 Who wants to praise the bare minimum? It’s her JOB to sing and she can’t even deliver on that despite being an idol for 13 YEARS 💀💀
@caribbeanstrawhat She did well. You just want to hate.
She sang but you still decided to hate. This is toxic.
If she did the bare minimum according to you then you should just accept it, ignore it and don't comment.
And if you don't want to acknowdlege that she has improved. That's fine. Just ignore this group. It's not that hard.
Also, you seem new to kpop
Do you know why the visual position exists in Kpop? Do you know how many visual or idols are not that good? Do you know why visuals are added to the group? It was to attract people. Yes, this is also a role in kpop. Everyone was in charge of something.
She sang well her parts. Deal with it. And since we are talking about visuals, why don't we start hating on other kpop artists to make it fair?
Or we just should stop sending hate to everyone and just go on with our lives 💀 it's not that deep
@@annanowak9620 me as someone who working their ass to vocal training, u should stop making any d@mn long excuses just to defend her. U're one of the perfect example of the toxicity of beuty priviledge, d1sgusting
not only sakura but all of the member look the baby monster they have alot of criticism for the start because of thier agency but they do thier best to show to k pop industry that they have what it takes to be a successful idols
She is the most popular among the fans and talented but the vocals need a lot of work for live performances
Talented in what? People only stan her since she is famous. It is like saying Jake Paul has talent, the sad thing is even Jake Paul sings better then Sakura.
Chaewon is def more popular
@@amandabynes5993 nahh sakura’s fanbase in japan and china is no joke even with fancams she’s almost always the member with the highest views
@@SamEricLlort see, you haters literally hate her, even Lesserafim as a whole, because they're FAMOUS. Lol, pathetic.
I literally started following her during Produce 48. I knew how bad her vocals and dancing were. However, she catches my attention all the time even though her visuals were not actually my type before. To give you an example, I prefer the visuals of SM idols. BUT SHE HAS SOMETHING CALLED CHARM, LOL. IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO BECOME FAMOUS IF YOU LITERALLY HAVE NOTHING.
Now, the reason why I'm still supporting her is because she's doing her best to improve. They already performed in various shows, continuously showing improved skills. Even though she regressed at times, she still doesn't give up. It inspires me to do well. Why would I unfollow if she helps me in this way?
Y'all haters just want to bring them down because they're becoming famous. It's basically insecurity, lol. The crab mentality that you always show when someone is reaching success. Why not focus on improving your own life, and ignore the things you don't like? IS THAT SO HARD TO DO THAT Y'ALL ARE SO OBSESSED WITH THEM? Oh, maybe you stan a group and they're now slowly becoming as famous as them? Just like that one particular fandom who literally camps in all of Lesserafim's contents, lol. Disgusting individuals.
i love her dancing, i love her facial espressions, i think she is beautiful.
You will probably say they can all dance.
I don't care, i like HER DANCING.
I don't care that they can all dance.
I have preferences.
I prefer her dancing.
Ill repeat it.
I do not care if they can all dance, i like Sakura's dancing.
Hating on an idol is never a good thing... I do not support such a trend of bullying the idol.
Yet considering the cost of tickets to such events regarding the feedback as constructive criticism would work miles in improving.
One doesn't need to apologize but acknowledge the feedback received and assure the fans to be better next time. That is important too.
Nah….people who buy the tickets are enjoy the show. You can hear screen and cheer the crow made. It’s the people who don’t buy the ticket are not happy about it.
Nah…people who buy the ticket are enjoying the concert. You can hear them scream and cheering. The one that unhappy are the one that don’t buy the ticket. Western artists used back track all the time. Kpop fans don’t know this because they never been to big concert.
anybody saying the critiques are too harsh needs to step back and realize this is her JOB. if you sucked at your job as an office worker or nurse or news presenter, you'd be fired. i'm her fan but every comment about her singing poorly is 1000% warranted at this point considering she has had 10 years to either get better or find a job she can actually perform properly. she's a great center and her dance has improved a lot (in my opinion) but she shouldn't be singing.
Looking back at kpop long ago, singing live is a norm and they did it without a problem. Literally just watched one of Girl's day and SNSD's performance on a normal stage singing live while dancing before this video got recommended, such a big difference in quality. You can watch a video titled 'Girls Generation Music Video vs LIVE Sing' which showcase their vocal. But the way Sakura said she just wanna make it a "fun stage" is such an excuses, did she think coachella is a school performance for funsies or what? She act as if singing is not important, maybe that's why she is the way she is now being in this industries in such a long period with that mindset. This is one of the reasons kpop's quality bad nowadays. Just look at recent girl groups these companies pumping out...smh..
I feel like the “criticism” i see for lesserafim now days is full on harassment and bullying. If something happens to one of them i don’t want yall doing a 180 and trying to “WE were wrong guys ): this is why WE don’t bully!
(This applies to the people harassing them only)
Am i the only one thinking this or did ppl on the internet get too offensive these days?
Like what will the get by doing this to Sakura or anyone? They can be polite even if they don't like her singing.
I feel the same way. K-pop Stan’s have been out of control these last years. 😅 not all of them, but a lot of them..
It makes me sick if I trash someone who chased their dream; it doesn't feel right especially when it's starting to sound like personal attacks towards her. Let's just agree on the notion of some just have higher ceilings than others. She might have reached her ceiling but despite that please at least love her as a kind, hard working, loving, sweet person if nothing else. She's such a precious soul to receive such backlash.
*We all have our own limitations.......we are all just people at the end of the day*
She literally bodyshamed her teammate tf are u on 💀 she is no angel stop putting your idols on a pedestal they are humans too
First of all, that scandal was heavily blown out of proportion(as with any topic in kpop) and tooken out of context because her popularity naturally agrevate non-stans. I mean, there's that whole "It Girl/Boy" title being thrown around to the most popular of idols and get overly scrutenized, bashed, and criticized even for smallest of flaws or mistakes for the sake of just to drag their name across the mud.
Second, that was way way way back in the day, she was literally a teenager.............because she's an idol, because she's popular, because she was the center of attention that she's not allowed to make mistakes? It wasn't even aimed towards Meru herself but rather the costume that she was made to wear. Another missing detail was they are friends and can't friends joke around knowing it didn't have intentions to cause harm. And it's not like it was on a regular basis or that it was a reflection of the entirety of who she is as a person. I've personally done a lot of questionable & stupid things back in my younger days that I regret looking back at it nowadays but it did shape me to become a better person that I am today.
Lastly, the construction of your reply clearly just have nothing but hateful intentions that says that much about who you are when it comes to judging people; you only base a person's overall character by one single mistake(that had no real deregatory intentions but rather a joke among friends) even when it was at an age where mistakes & mishaps are a common occurence for many ppl.
*Btw, clearly you haven't watched and read what idol colleagues, staff members, and members say about her nowadays..........they all adore her, happy to be with her, and say nothing but praises toward her(except when it comes to singing but that's an entirely different topic that I can't & won't even try to cope cuz there is nothing much if any to justify ngl).
The funny thing here is,
I've spent quite a bit of time writing up that reply.............and I'm not even a Kkura stan but rather I'm a Ssamachi stan.
And I would've gladly accepted that reply if the narrative stated that, by some fvckin' miracle, I said that LeBron was the GOAT over MJ.............typing that alone makes me sick; might even sh00t myself if I ever caught myself saying that ugh! 😵
@@icy6164 do you have any sense? Even a tiny amount is okay
i wish stayc got invited to coachella.
To truly show what Kpop is to the western World, and that Kpop does indeed have talent, you need great and seasoned groups like Mamamoo and BTOB to carry the Kpop flag at big events like Coachella.
Le Sserafim’s training period was short I blame Hybe for not training them enough
But she is working in industry for nearly 10 years
Still !! Other idols take their job so seriously they're willing to take training even outside their company. Yes Hybe is also to blame but lets not pretend idol can't do anything on their own
3:00 @@jiyashaikh84204
And the agency soumu or hybe take her in the group bcs her fanbase is big not for talent
I can tell that you don't know much about members. Sakura is in the industry for over 10 years. She should be better and you can't say that it's hybe's fault bc it's not.
It's kind of sad. I don't follow the group or knew Sakura's backstory, but I keep seeing people say '10+ years in the industry'. If she started at 13 and hasn't had the rigerous training schedule of Korean entertainment industry until 2019, and from it sounds like she had very little training before debuting in izone & Le Sserafim, isn't it unfair to always bring up the 10 years bracket? Not saying the criticism is unjustified, just saying that just focusing on a number is not right considering the circumstances and training differences for Jpop idols. Not to mention that she likely had very little time to train after she already gained popularity which formed a busier schedule as opposed to being a trainee.
It's up to her entertainment company to prioritize her skills rather than taking advantage of her existing fanbase and debuting her quickly. Clear money grab and now the one suffering the most is Sakura and her Le Sserafim members.
Absolutely correct! There is a YT short that shows Chaewon and Kazuha move the mic away from their mouths, but they were still "singing". They lip-synced to the very loud backtrack. Here's the link to the YT short if you want to verify: Netizens Accuse LE SSERAFIM Of Lip Syncing During “Coachella” Weekend 2
Criticism is okay as long as it proper, just dont do it overly. Remember:
"The bill to punish those who insult others on the Internet with up to three years in jail or a $30,000 and South Korea is enforcing a new law aimed at curbing the country's notorious cyber bullying by preventing Internet users from hiding behind false IDs."
The moment they put her in S-Tier ranking during produce48, they set her and US audience up into an expectation thinking she HAS to do well. Sure she has great charisma, but the lack of skills have always been shrugged under the carpet.
Clearly, after more than 10 years in the industry, being unable to hold a tune is incredible. Sure, Hybe doesn't care about vocals, but if she wanted, she could have gotten a vocal coach herself. One hour a week is enough to get you going and get the basics, and the good part is that you can always do the classes online if necessary. She hasn't gotten better because she doesn't want to, simple as that. The hate is unnecessary, for sure, but the criticism is 1000% valid.
i will never understand how some people do nothing but call sakuras vocals ugly and say that shes a terrible singer and then expect her to want vocal training. idk if some of you lack empathy but do u really think she'd be motivated to sing better if she never gets any positive reinforcement? she might think "whats the point? ill never sing well so i shouldnt even try" or "nobody ever says anything nice about my singing so why even bother singing?" people never seem to see idols as humans
If vocals weren't important, so this mean kpop is a crap of messy singers???? 🙄😬 fans, do appreciate idols who work hard to improve their skills bcoz others spend thousands of money for them. I just can't believe that they become singers when they can't sing well at all!! It's very funny how low kpop standards become.💀
It’s now who’s the prettiest , the skinniest and palest 😭
So she is gliding through her whole career by being popular in Japan? Wild concept
being pretty and charismatic gets people far in life. her biggest strength is that she is charming, likable and seems to have a good personality like a vlogger or host.
you know nothing about jpop.
I won’t understand fearnots never tbh
They earn 100 times more money than ordinary people and even receive love from fans.
Is it wrong to criticize a singer who doesn't even have BASIC singing skills?
If pretty girls who can only dance well gain excessive popularity, other singers who have worked hard to improve their skills will feel a sense of deprivation and eventually only "pretty dolls" will remain in the music market.
As revealed in Min Hee-jin's interview, it seems that HYBE, blinded by greed, neglected basic vocal training and rushed Lesserafim's debut. So I don't want to criticize all the members.
but Sakura…She shouldn't be doing like that considering her experience. It's “unforgivable”
If she had worked in another profession for over a decade and still lacked basic skills, she would have been fired.
The hard truth ⬆️
If that’s “the best they could’ve been”
they should’ve stayed home
And you should get a life.
I honestly don’t know how Sakura has been able to stay in the business for as long as she has. Of all the members she is the most forgettable and her lack of confidence is always apparent. How can you be in the business this long and still not be good?
your question is actually can be reversed just if you can see from other perspective.
"if sakura can stay in this business for a long time, there must be something in her that can attract people consistently, what is that?"
but sadly people are just too ignorant to find out about that.
The problem is lesserafim have overconfidence in them ....
She debuted in Japan since 2011 and have no vocal training whatsoever because this is the intended way, everything is based on experience, and her style of singing as an idol in Japan are not a proper way of singing in K-pop, so not only she should start from zero but from minus to get rid of that, please do research about her before K-pop era, it's sad when people not only talking things they didn't know, but also dismissing her effort, persistance, and sacrifice.
No, Sakura is a weak singer in jpop as well like compared to most of the singers in AKB48. There are many good to excellent idol singers in Japan, and this coming from someone who is extremely critical of a number of elements of Japanese society like their horrible justice system and corrupt cops.
@@johnjackson3735 No for what, I don't recall saying that she is a great singer my point is she's learning to sing the wrong way, and that's a problem too. All I'm saying is to humanize her or any other idol they're not an object, and if people are sincere enough maybe learn a thing or two about her, because just like any of us, only human.
HYBE boy groups are really goodddddd, stable singing along with with proper dancing is THEIR JOB, auto tune won't save u during live performances, ppl will criticize, cuz even if your stage presence is not good it can improve but VOCALS? DANCING? they should have been able to do that properly since they are DEBUTING, a lot of trainees can't DEBUT and they have DEBUTED so I genuinely feel like they should do their job properly-
even if she never took vocal lessons prior, who is to say that she hadn't actually been trying to practice on her own way before this?
True,but if she is practicing the improvement ain't showing. She is talented and seems like a nice girl but as someone with years in the entertainment industry she has to know better. Yet, the people who excuse their hate as it's just criticism are disgusting animal.
It's hard to believe she practiced because she just didn't improve. And the fact she just never said anything about wanting to improve. She either wants less lines or says "that's the best I can do"...
@@salembejaoui1880agree
@@salembejaoui1880 if only she had said this was her current best she wouldn’t have half the criticism she is getting, and not from other fandoms, fearnot is telling her she just needs practice but seems she prefers to ignore it
The thing is, she's not putting _enough_ effort into it. Otherwise, we would've seen incremental improvements, little by little, with every comeback. But, there's literally zero improvement. I'm not "hating" and just saying this to insult her. That's just the truth of the matter.
It's the same with her Korean skills. Supposedly, she takes an hour of Korean lessons, _everyday._ But, she still can't pronounce basic words properly and doesn't speak like someone on a 6 year level. While Kazuha surpassed her in 1½ years.
sakura is not the only problem. you're blaming 1 person in 5 person.
why only sakura is held responsible, why held everyone accountable.
I got no problem with Sakura amazing performer and dancer her vocals are not the best but that’s why there’s positions in kpop groups and she didn’t sound bad at Coachella and you can never please kpop fans
So true! There are positions for a reason! But it’s starting to seem as though the new generations need to have every single member be an ace… the expectations are too high!
@@Viczizationfor real they see a new group and expect them to sound like opera singers with 20 years of experience 24/7, ppl just don't want to enjoy anything anymore💀
@@pohelnaxyi8🤦🏻♂️
@@pohelnaxyi8they still need to sound decent tho 😭
@@itzluv_hyeinbtw i'm not talking specifically about lessera rn it's just overall overdramatism about new groups in k-pop, community starts to sound like old people complaining that it was better before when it was in fact the same😭
i feel like , sakura has become the punching bag of the people , lately . i hope , she considers the valid criticism made by the people , who genuinely loves her , and should ignore the haters , who wishes her downfall . don't make her depressed , it may lead her to take a , tragic step
I don't think it's critisism anymore. It have turned into horrible harrassment and bullying 😢 i don't think their performance at Coachella was bad like there is for more improvement i think. I request all kpop fan to be careful with words cuz we don't want to lose another idol
Terrible anti-comments should not be tolerated.
LE SSERAFIM is not responsible either.
But HYBE realizes that their growth strategy that does not depend on BTS has failed, and it is time for them to change.
Centering the critics for the group's terrible vocals specifically on her seems a bit unfair. All of them were off pitch and tone-deaf, so much that it would have been a career ending stage for probably a lot of artists. We are talking about a really important music festival were artists from everywhere in the world take part in and sing live, anyone participating should be at the same level. She wasnt the worst of the group at Coachella tbh, and you could tell that she had somehow improved a bit from their encore. Still, it was not just a subpar or mediocre vocal performance but truly a horrendous one. I agree that the comments have been really harsh, so i can only hope that they take them seriously and start taking singing lessons to improve
@kkurakisseverybody hey! no problem, I watched both days on the livestream. Seems like a lot of people were saying that they didnt hear them sound that bad if you were there in person, so i can only assume that through the livestream we were getting feed directly from their mics and it was much more noticeable. In my opinion, they seemed to have great energy on stage and really engage with the public on the first day, but the vocals were very unstable throughout and at times really, really, REALLY bad on the livestream. The type of bad that is earsplitting. On the second day, they were less energetic but still had good stage presence & they seemed to have more awareness of their shortcomings and were trying to focus on their vocals so they pulled through. They obviously had help from having less choreography and using a supporting backtrack which i think is fine, they should adapt their performances to the stages and Coachella is no MAMA. I dont like the pitch-corrector/autotune they used on their mics though, it makes them sound totally robotic and wrong. And although the backtrack can be used to support their live voices, they overused it and at times it was purposely too loud in order to cover the voices of some members. All in all, i think they weren't ready for Coachella yet and should have a lot more live singing experience before going to a festival like this but kudos to them for going up there on stage the second day and doing their best, im sure it was very difficult
My opinion is that the only people artists have to apologize for is their core fans and only for things that they did to sabotage their relationship. You never see an artist like Taylor Swift apologize to haters who dislike her music or Billie Eilish or Kanye West never apologizes if they have an opinion that others hate.
The problem is that people think if they have an opinion, they are due a response (or an apology). Sakura has always been who she is. It's not like she deceived Le Sserafim fans withe the promise that she was some fantastic singer/dancer/rapper, she's always been at the level she has been at and if FEARNOTS are okay with that, there is no reason to apologize. Non fan will rarely buy their CD, merch or attend their live events, so why do they think they deserve an apology?
I'm a casual listener of LE SSERAFIM but not a fan, but I remember back in the day when a member of a GG I was a fan of (Sandara Park of 2NE1) was criticized for being a pretty face that could not sing or dance and that she should quit. She was personally affected by the attacks (yes, things never change) but I don't recall her ever apologizing for existing in 2NE1 because we, the fans, loved her.
There was one group I didn't like at the time (Girls Generation), who I thought was given a lot of passes based on their looks and physique with "SM privileges" but my thing was, I don't like them so I won't listen to them. I'd never get on a message board and demand they apologizes for things I didn't like about them.
valid
It's about singing.
Everyone should criticize bed singing, they are a professional singers not a kindergarten child
Girls Generation are way more talented then your talentless le Sserafim. Sakura one of the biggest dozens ever. But atleast Sakura is pretty, but can’t say the same for Eunchae. Eunchae is both talentless and an eyesore. Hope Eunchae gets kicked so Le Sserafim can finally do mature concepts.
@@kuju2315😂😂 it's about still not owing any "critics" an apology, i'm glad sakura stood up for herself, and also some ppl have better things to do than be so mad obsessed over someone not singing good
@@kuju2315 good thing this is kpop
Criticism turns into hate when fans insist of defending the lack of talent ! I'm not saying it's okay to hate , it's not ... but if your idol ends up in the national news for bad vocals ... that's embarrassing !!!
NAH THE HATERS AINT COOKING HER THEIR PUTTING HER IN THE AIR-FRIER💀THEY SHOULD APOLOLGIZE TO ALL K-POP MEMBERS WHO GOT HARASSED I BET THE HATERS CAN'T DO ANY BETTER.
people should stop bullying idols in the name of criticism there is a fine line between the two at this point people are harassing Sakura
So we can't even criticise them?
@@amytrezy2307as said there is a *line* beetween both if saying that she is talentless should leave kpop that she embarresed kpop at coachella that she is worst member
Is critizisim then I don't know what hate is for you all
Le SSeraphim is still my fave female group, but I understand that they are pretty dancers and a studio group. I know they can't properly sing live.
There is a YT short that shows Chaewon and Kazuha move the mic away from their mouths, but they were still "singing". They lip-synced to the very loud backtrack. Here's the link to the YT short if you want to verify: Netizens Accuse LE SSERAFIM Of Lip Syncing During “Coachella” Weekend 2
@@Dreamlight_editxs I'm sorry but I don't think their fans are helping them like this. Instead they think their fans are satisfied and they'll keep embarrassing themselves. Anyway suit y'all.
Ppl are just criticizing them
Wow, so much hate for no reason. It's like the KPOP community always has to be attacking an idol. The Neitizens job is to criticize and tear down any idol they decide to roast. You could pick a member of any kpop group and tear them to shreds also. Give it a rest and be thankful that an amazing group like Le Sserifim exists. They've put out one huge song after another. No other group is even close to them at this point. You all can continue to hate hate hate...but I will always support all KPOP groups and idols. I've seen so many idols being skewered and their lives ruined due to mob mentality rabid kpop fans. shame on you all.
I hope they won't be depress over this situation and obstacles that they are experiencing, since if you keep saying repeatedly of all the things that they are lacking in them, it will lead to depression and traumatic experience like you will be afraid of people you interact with, because they will think that they disappoint them too much so in the end, they don't want to be with other people and they just want to be with themselves. You are verbally bullying them even though you just say what they are lacking with, but if you keep repeating over and over again then, it is not just you telling them the truth but you are bullying them even though you don't have the intent to bully them, because words can kill a person, not literally but it will lead to those human who will choose to suicide for the bad things that they are experiencing repeatly so they just want to end everything and kill themselves so they won't experience it anymore. So please, one comment or sentence is enough because there are billions of human who are alive right now, so there are billion of comments that they are receiving right now and in the future even it is good or bad one.
the '48 groups are not about singing and talent, the nasal voice and getting no classes is unique to them in K-pop as well because they just focus on entertainment. And that's OK, that's what the groups are about but holding that against her is absolutely ridiculous and bullying. Her not taking vocal lessons during her time in '48 is not on her.
At this point the backlash is just getting frustrating.
The nasality and high-pitched voices were the exact reason why I couldnt stand most of Izone songs. Call me a btch, but I just cannot listen to Panorama or Fiesta without cringing. J-pop is all about sounding like a creepy little child and breathing more than actually singing from your chest. It's not really a surprise, and it's all HYBE's fault at this point. Sakura was trained in one very particular way, and she doesn't suit with how K-pop should sound. She got picked because she was fairly popular in Izone and her Japanese group, but other than that, she wasn't ready for this at all. And it breaks my heart because I know how precious and kind she is. She found herself in the wrongest place she could be.
Sakura was bad but what abt Eunchae??? she was literally breathless the whole time, actually I can't remembered her singing well ever
People will make excuses for Sakura even in another 13 years
the hate is getting out of that half of the comments provided no constructive criticism
this is the nastiest i've seen the kpop community in a LONG time. a few months ago, it was valid criticism, but it's become really cruel. think about your words and what the floods of hate could do to these idols mentally. then think about every time you've mourned an idol. it might seem harmless behind a screen, but these are real people. do better.
bp performed on the same coachella stage a few years back and had TONS of vocal issues, but were still praised for a having a good performance. literally tell me where the bar is because it seems to move depending on how 'favorable' a group is to the public at any given time.
The statement at 4:28 is said to be about Sakura, but why does it have Chaewon's name at the bottom of it?
cuz the video is not right all the news said all of them were bad and alot of articles were about yunjin and chaewon not sakura
@@nesrin6165 that explains it then, TQ 🙂
She literally said" we suck what you gonna do about it"😂
She trust her mid age men sponsors like the ones she used yo date back in Japan🙄
some might say its bullying and harrowing but as cruel as it is they deserve all of it, its a lesson they all need to learn, they need to realize that they have to improve otherwise their career will not last, hopefully they take the hint and get some vocal lessons bc the more this goes on the less time they will actually last as a group
Whoever is still protecting Sakura is a literal brain rot. Their job is to sing, not to lip sync. I understand that it's hard to sing live while dancing but at least learn how to sing while STANDING STILL. At this point, even I can become an idol!
why don't you go?
@@JungHyeIn-vi7zuyea exactly they need to keep their mouth shut if they can why not go u won’t get in especially cuz of your attitude 🙄 and if people don’t like them then don’t listen to them I swear they are disgusting people
@@JungHyeIn-vi7zu thats not her job. her job isnt being an idol
@@JungHyeIn-vi7zu do i have to be a cook to tell if food tastes bad? no. do i have to be a singer to tell if someone sings bad? No! common sense
Ngl I’m actually tired of this behaviour.
Like do you want everyone to think kpop Stan’s are like this!
This is just silly and immature.
sadly they are like this
Whole le sserafim needs to work on their vocals not only sakura.
I feel bad for poor Sakura , all these death threats even tho she improved? If you really cared about how they sound and want to improve you would have complimented her getting better , but you are just hating on her more, she doesn’t deserves this no one does , l don’t know how you can sit behind a screen and writes comments as such , your are really sick.
I hate how scared the girls looked at the beginning of their Coachella week 2 performance. And that's all because of hate, these girls would never cower in the face of criticism but it's too much.
I also have an issue with content creators who insert strong opinions on their videos. Some information dosent need to be shared, and you can agree that certain shorts that popped up recently fuelled this bullying
Week 1 I can see they were nervous but over came it with their energy
Want to know why they looked scared? Because they knew they were trying to con everybody. There is a YT short that shows Chaewon and Kazuha move the mic away from their mouths, but they were still "singing". They lip-synced to the very loud backtrack. Here's the link to the YT short if you want to verify: Netizens Accuse LE SSERAFIM Of Lip Syncing During “Coachella” Weekend 2
@@michaeladove7269 Have you seen my point? I'm talking about excessive criticism to the point of hate. Look I might dislike something but that dosent give me a right to tear it apart, so what do I do? I move away from my source of discomfort. That's what humanistic people do. Lip singing or bad vocals yeah you can complain about it but when will netizens realise the consequences of these thoughtless actions. Remember sully f(x)? Such a lovely girl but what happened? Think people.. Think
@@michaeladove7269i hope more people watch that video, especially their fans
this dumb hate is getting old ... seriously. grow up and get a job.
LITERALLY
As a predebut fearnot and wizone, its confusing me too. It all started as a valid criticism about lesserafim's ( mostly sakura's ) vocal skills, but now its gone to full on bullying, even about things that lesserafim can't control ( such as their debut causing gfriends disbandment, and whats happening in hybe at the moment ) and it sucks. I hope the girls are doing ok, oh and by the way, I have critisced them aswell, such as when yunjin drank starbucks and their coachella appearances recently
The recruitment of Sakura should not have happened in the first place. Putting an idol with poor vocals into a Kpop group is lke sending a child to the coalmine. Somewhere along the way all of them will be forced to sing live and no idol deserves to be subjected to such professional embarassment. To put things in perspective, Wonyoung isnt known for her vocals but her vocals are way beyond Sakura. Hybe should not have rushed their debut.