I hated how they were like “the fact that kwite hasn’t spoken yet proves he’s a rapist” like holy crap give the man time to think, no one needs to gather evidence on a deadline
Not to try to counter this as a way of proving them right, but if this had gone to court as an actual crime, there is a deadline to gather evidence for it to be reviewed and discussed. It just isn't instantons.
@@Sopsy_Hallow Correct, meaning if it takes months to get a big group of lawyers, then people shouldn't expect a single person to take hours to do the same job. (When they most likely don't even know what they are looking for)
@@Dkgow Court deadline is measured in WEEKS, not hours. But you agree with that and I don't know why I post this. Either way, never jump on the gun, you might get hosed.
@@cacapepecacapepe4003 Thank you for your kind thoughts. I very much am. These things leave a mark, but we as beings are able to overcome and transform incredibly. I have been in a healthy relationship for 5 years now and I have a handful of good friends who I treasure. Nurture your compassionate streak, don't let the world make you think you have to harden your heart into stone. Keep leaving nice comments to people. ❤️
What INFURIATES me is that the moment kwite released the video, everyone who were calling him those things quickly deleted them and posted anti-orion things, saying they didn't believe them from the start. No apology or anything, just switching sides and pretending nothing happened
That’s not even the worst part-Lord Bung, who publicly defended Orion and was their significant other for a period of time, didn’t accept Kwite’s response. They doubled down on it until they started getting backlash, and then they deleted it and gave a canned, inauthentic response about how “sorry” they were for “the anger and frustration they’ve caused”.
@@bean6803 They semi-retracted that and I thought that it had to sound disingenuous to even them while writing it haha But, still, Bung is the perfect example of narcissistic supply.
That’s what happened during the Johnny Depp trial. Everyone canceled him and now those same ppl want his comeback. It’s insane how people so easily flip flop. Jump on the bandwagon before it’s full.
This "guilty until proven innocent" crap had my entire school thinking my brother was a rapist. The girl had to come forward and say she was lying and a lot of people still didn't believe him. He had girls sign a "contract of consent" afterwards or he would refuse to sleep with them.
@@lechant7991 Won't deny that it can be useful. It's just that if someone accuses you of raping them, and you claim the contract, it doesn't say anything against the allegation.
The worst part about his situation is that he spent his whole UA-cam carrer trying to protect his identity and sensitive information about himself and now he had to put it all out there just to prove he wasn’t a bad person.
as an SA victim, I find it so disgusting and infuriating that people are so willing to lie about being assaulted just bc they don't like someone on the internet. it makes actual victims scared to come out with their assault bc people are now just going to assume they're lying. also, kwite was the literal actual victim during their whole relationship and leading up to his video. I feel so very sorry for him
@@cheshirerose2001 Like Charlie said you can be supportive of someone without hearing the whole story, but it's better to base your process after hearing all sides. Especially with something like this.
People who make up false allegations need to have actual real serious consequences. As someome who was SAed for years but was forced to keep quiet because they are 'family' it extremely hurts me to see how easily some people get away with sexual assault and accusing others of assault. Because such cases make it harder for people who actually go through because of these disgusting liars. Hope Kwite's doing better.
I completely agree, people who fake BS like that take away time and attention from people that are actually suffering and actually need help and support. For me personally no one believed me, and it was the most heart breaking things I've been through. It's one of my biggest pet peeves.
@@Perrywinkle__ not only those, but also trust. Unfortunately, people have a tendency to generalize, so when a fake victim accuses someone, people start to think that all victims are fake, even the real ones.
100% percent agree but only if it's proved it was faked cause sometime the case is dropped for lack of evidence and that doesn't necessary mean they lied
I sympathize with Kwite. I was accused of SA by an ex. as a result, I was potentially facing up to 10 yrs in prison for a crime I never committed. it was by pure luck of her changing her story so many times that I avoided going to prison
Wrongful accusations like that are a lot more common than people realize. I was accused of it once fortunately it never blew up and the person accusing never went far.
@@VolcanicoD.S. I would have loved to do that but at that point, I had lost so much I just wanted to forget about it and move on. karma got my ex in the end as now she has 3 kids with 2 different guys and neither stayed with her
The things Orion did to kwite aren't just horrible, but should be downright criminal. Things like this don't just ruin kwite's life, but discredit actual victims in tons of other scenarios
Orion also forged a fake medical documents and a fake doctor’s signature which is also illegal and apparently the doctor has been sent the fake doctor notes
Unfortunately he had his face revealed by the asshole beforehand but now his current state is revealed and he's terrified to even go outside, shits horrible
They completely doxed him as well when they realized that after his response no one would believe them. people going out of their way to just ruin this random guys life, why
It's just so sad how his 'face reveal' was done when he was in such a horrible situation and not in a way where he was comfortable and finally found confidence in himself.
Sadly Sometimes you just have to get pushed into a corner so when you finally push back You're freer than before It is sad that he got forced to find the strength to show his OWN face rather than earning it on his own But I'm glad that he got there anyway
The worst part was that no one ever said sorry. Like twitter itself is a hole of misery, no one said "dang man sorry about that." they all just moved on.
I did see a couple of ppl saying sorry but it didn’t even feel enough. I wish they said like “next time someone is accused of smth heinous with no proof I’ll stay neutral and learn from this” or actually acknowledge the gravity of what they did. Saying sorry isn’t even enough. And they couldn’t even wait a month? After like 3 days ppl were saying he was guilty because he didn’t respond…..
I wasn't even apart of it until I saw his face in the thumbnail The first time that I can say that I physically felt fear affect my body before To this DAY To this DAY
@@Denturess Three days? Orion themself said "oh yeah I went through on BLUECORD so that I could scroll faster and delete most of my interaction with him" Orion The "victim" Downloaded a discord app mod So they could scroll up faster and delete evidence on their account THAT WAS SO SUS AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AFTER KWITES' RESPONSE
Everytime false accusations ruin someone's life, it makes it harder for ACTUAL people to come forward and that's so sad. Despicable to fuck up someone's career like this
As a victim of repeated rape and abuse, I am disgusted with people who make up lies, especially when those lies are designed to hurt someone innocent. It hurts victims and it hurts good people. Assault liars are the scum of the earth.
They are exactly why I never reported bc there was no forensic evidence and any other evidence was on my rapist’s phone so I had no access to it to prove he was abusive to me. I knew that bc of the chronically online AND the incels would reduce my chances of getting justice.
*What makes me sick is even though he's innocent, his career is still irreparably damaged & his accuser will face ZERO long term consequences. They should be thrown in prison.*
It may count as defamation and if he found out who the dipshit that did all that to him is he could bring him to court but im not a lawyer. The closest ive got to law was when i played ace attorney
as someone who was SA'd multiple times and then had to deal with harassment from false SA accusations after all of that, what happened to kwite sickens me to my core. it's been almost a year since i was falsely accused and i'm still suffering and i still risk being harassed daily because of the absolute mess that was made by my accuser. (shit, she even tried to get in contact with me a few days ago and is still talking about me, including telling people around her about private matters that i went through. she brought up my recent suicide attempt, that i kept secret, at a mutual friend's daughter's funeral. this kind of shit doesn't leave you, even in the event of tragedy.) it's so disgusting to see this happening to someone else on such a large scale. kwite handled it so well and with such decorum. it makes me feel so much less alone and so much more valid in my sexual trauma; i just wish those feelings didn't have to come from seeing someone else's life nearly get ruined too. i truly hope that kwite is able to heal from this and move on with his life. and i hope that everyone who falsely accuses people of things like sexual assault, especially when the person they're lying about has been through that very thing, rots in the deepest pit of hell for all eternity. it's completely unacceptable.
how kwite handled this was unbelievably mature. id be absolutely beside myself if this happened to me. the fact that he suffered so much and still continues to be level headed is insane to me.
The way Kwite responded just proved he was innocent, and with the messages he put also showed how abusive and manipulative Orion was to him and it’s just sad to see because I’ve gone through the same thing being sexually abused and then the abuser turns around and blames you of abusing them.
Absolutely. People who falsely accuse need to be given serious consequences, there are many many real victims out there and these bullsh!tters who want attention are completely invalidating them and making it harder for them to get their stories out, not even mentioning how much anxiety this guy went through. I always try to stay unbiased and at least hear the victim out when these things happen, not immediately strongly defend either side, just hope it isn’t true. I wonder when stuff like this will stop happening
As a person who got raped and experienced a lot of physical abuse I feel horrible with people lying about such a sensitive topic. It makes real victims less believable. I hope he will get better cause he doesn't deserve this kind of shit.
@@hayleylamb1417 idk if u understood it or not but the silent majority is for example the people who vote around the middle of the political spectrum. Not talking about my close friends
most rape cases that go to court already get dismissed due to lack of evidence, you really want to risk charging a rape victim for reporting their rape?
What's sad about this is that even if you clear your name after dealing with false allegations, the damage is already done. Kwite didn't deserve any of this!
As proven with Keemstar’s bullshit allegations against that old guy who was said to be a pedophile but he actually got the wrong guy and some random guy was accused and harassed and stalked by his radioactive fanbase. Even though he came out with an apology for the guy, the damage had been done and people were STILL harassing him.
the noise that just left my mouth at "no they made a tweet" i dont know what i expected but it definitely wasnt that little, or that much of a "ackshually, go fucc yurself"
Instead of a comment, let me tell you a story Back during my freshman year, there was a girl who liked to make shit up to start drama. One day she decided she was going to start saying that the nicest male teacher in the school had been SAing her. He was fired, and put on the registry, even after the claims were proved false, and the girl was suspended for 3 days. Later this same year, one of the female teachers was found to be grooming and regularly assaulting one of the male students. The male student was moved to a different class only 4 or 5 rooms away, and the teacher got off with 6 weeks paid leave.
So lemme get this straight, ORION was the one being creepy, weird and even harassed Kwite at one point, Kwite not only had to go through that, but then had to go through everyone thinking he was thw bad guy????
This dude was just chill, literally had to expose his deep af insecurities about sexual anxiety and self harm all just so his life wouldn't be ruined by some asshole, and still he couldn't get past it forever
Yeah, whatever the motives behind it. The damage has been dealt to him forever, not just that even in the face of contradictory evidence people will judge him but he got forced to expose stuff that I wouldn’t anyone want people to know let alone the entire internet. Hope he’s doing all right after all that.
I remember when false sexual assault allegations got rolled out against M2K and he had to publicly reveal some very serious medical trauma that proved he literally, physically could not have done what he was accused of. It fucking sucked.
This is such an unhealthy mentality of guilty until proven innocent and this has been around even before the internet I always think of how the media portrays people in such a negative light only to be completely false.
"You dont want the truth, you just want somebody to hate." is a great sentence that I will probably use a lot now. I've had people stalk my socials to find my private ones, just to blow up in my face about shit I keep to myself. And even after trying to explain calmly to get them to calm down even a little bit, I'm always met with "I don't care, I just think you're a freak/etc. etc." and then they block me. Every single time. People like that are truly the worst.
"You don't care about the truth, you just want someone to hate." Is a wonderful summation of not only twitter, but a large portion of humanity at this point in time. Very well stated.
Kwite was literally just trying to be kind to this person, and when he eventually cut them off for the sake of his own mental health, they proceeded to try and ruin his life for the next six years. Words can't describe how angry I am, or how sorry I feel for Kwite. I hope he can heal from this.
@@hirotakasugi4891 Kwite had already apologised pubically twice over to Slazo and made his own comment in his video talking about how this experience makes him want to do a third apology. Kwite isn't a bad person, just a flawed one, which is normal. He got suckered into believing that Slazo was an abuser just the same as hundreds and thousands of people were just suckered by Orion into thinking the same of him. Being lied to does not make a person themselves a liar.
you shouldnt feel any way about it, this is a stranger on the internet not your brother, stop becoming emotionally invested in people that dont care or even know about you.
@@jodieisnotokay1155 Can't you sue for defamation? That's a crime, and we saw Johnny Depp and Amber Heard go through that in the last couple years. Although, I may be wrong and this may not quantify as defamation.
@@jodieisnotokay1155although Orion did commited a crime,aka forging a false medical document.if not those SA,they will be jailed for forging a fake medical document
It angers me when someone falsely accuses someone of SA. Not only because it’s hurts the person being accused but hurts actual victims because “what if you’re just lying like ____ did?” Even if they’re telling the truth
That's why there's this whole thing with investigations, stop fucking treating these things like it's a popularity contest. Fuck "appealing to masses" every case should go through proper legal procedure.
i agree. dspite clicking on this vid, i will block his rom my mind. im gonna catch up on kwites vids and hold out for the future, cuz i dont know that Kwite will come back. i dont want to think of kwite differently at all so just outta respect. -ii
The part I hate the most is the fact some people are just saying “he can just get over it” when it’s a fact HE was the one that was sexually assaulted and harassed by Orion. Where’s the care and compassion for his assault?
As a victim of sexual abuse this makes me so so sad, this both hurts his image so much and hurts us being believed when we finally dare to tell our stories
Not even, all the 3 weeks took was for the Skype evidence. So he immediately had basically a novel of proof, Orion faked legal documents which you need to have years to get done to be remotely believable.
The amount of people who don't realize that what Orion did with leveraging selfharm to keep kwite close is textbook emotional abuse is honestly worrying.
I immediately knew from the texts alone that Orion was abusive as fuck and super grooming Kwite. Felt that, been there, hopefully he has friends to help him not go to the end because he never deserved that. Hell, he even explained faults he did make.
Had someone leverage suicide to keep me in a relationship. I was 13 and easily scared, but after a year I couldn't take the stress any more. A year after the breakup he said he told me he'd been hospitalized three times and it was all my fault. It's the absolute worst shit.
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last video. He was forced to reveal his face something he never would of done if not for the leaks. He was accused of a very serious crime which according to his video was very hurtful as he himself was raped/sexually assaulted. I love Kwites content but after having people you thought were on you side switch on a dime it probably hurts like hell. If he does return it'll probably be after years. And to some, it doesn't even matter if he did give a good response. Hell still be labeled as a rapist to them and the "victim is always right" is the hill they will die on. Damn shame man. Kwite if you're reading this I love you man. You don't really owe us anything since generally you made our days, not really the other way around. If you decide to step away from UA-cam for good, that's fair. I just hope you can move on from this.
As a victim of sexual assault, I was horrified to speak about it for over a year before I finally told my principal what my classmate did to me. I remember, word for word, her telling me “If it really happened, you wouldn’t have waited a year. He graduates in a month, stop trying to ruin his career.” It pisses me off when false accusations like this happen because it doesn’t just hurt the person being accused, but it affects every other person who actually IS a victim, because then people are inclined to assume it’s for attention.
I’ve said “innocent until proven guilty” in school while me and my friends were talking about an alleged rapist in our school and they gave me shit for it. Turns out he was innocent.
it’s insane how “innocence until proven guilty” was not only ignored but completely thrown out the window, people were seriously ready to demonize him from the start.
@@currentlycryingat3am "men bad, women never lie" logic doesn't depend on who tells the story, just if it involves a man hurting a woman or not. If there's an allegation of a man raping a woman, the man is guilty by default, if it's the other way around, the man is made fun of and the woman is a chad.
That's why I've lost pretty much all faith in social media. I'll still be on it, yes, but at this point, I wholeheartedly believe social media is destroying humanity. How many people's lives are the monsters on horrific websites like Twitter are going to ruin until they realize there's nobody and nothing left?
i genuinely feel horrible for being one of the people who fully trusted orion. i learned a lot from this situation and i'm never trusting any side of a story without hearing all sides first
I'm proud of you for recognizing you were wrong and owning up to it. Many Twitter freaks double down and refuse to listen to the evidence from the other side.
The worst thing about this whole drama is that even though Kwite has definitively proved his innocence, there are dipshits on Twitter and TikTok who will not only maintain that he’s guilty when he isn’t, but will go out of their way to gaslight and harass him for the rest of his life.
@@pawelzawrotniak3826 nah ignoring is the right choice,reacting and discussing with them will only do de opposite effect. If you ignore and don't react,with time they'll eventually stop and target something else Edit:you dont really need to block them,just ignore,they'll get bored of it eventually.
Fr and now I’m not gonna have to do “believe the victim bc why would they li?” I’m gonna have to do “neutral until proven guilty/innocent”. It’s crazy, man
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ that’s how it should’ve been from the start. The only reason why “believe all victims!” Started is because accusers (not victims) wanted to be believed at all costs
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ it’s innocent until proven guilty. Being neutral is a brain dead move. Penguinz0 did bad things to me. Are you really neutral to that claim? Because based from what you said, he now has to prove his innocence. Or I have to prove his guilt. The world has it figured out a little more than you. Hence, penguinz0 doesn’t have to prove his innocence, he is free until I prove him guilty. But hey, he is guilty. Why would I just be saying that? Are you really neutral?
Sadly, this. I had no real proof in court because my abuse all happened in person before I even knew how to use the internet. I am glad Kwite could prove he is innocent. It sucks that this will only add to how people discredit victims who don't technically have "proof". Word against word really sucks sometimes.
Scrolling through the comments i see a lot of people talk about their SA experience and its so sad to read about. I hope you guys recover soon and im so sorry you had to experience that ❤❤
I know I'm late to this video, but thank you for posting this. I was sexually assaulted in high school by my then girlfriend and I was a virgin before this, and after we broke up she immediately started claiming that I was the one to assault her and I went through a very similar situation. It's very reassuring to hear you talk about this story and call people like her and all those who act without thinking out. It really helps bring light to situations like Kwite and I's, especially since many don't give a second thought when a male is the one being accused. So thank you Charlie, this video really helped.
It’s a real dilemma for sure. I just hope more people can grow up and just understand that both situations (someone being the victim and someone being falsely accused) can happen. These people need to stop pointing fingers and refusing to hear anyone out and just listen to both sides of the story. Eventually, the person lying would get nervous and break, so they’ll get their punishment.
Your only solution is to punish the false accuser, if not this will keep happening, they have something to gain and will not face trouble if they are caught.
that also why amber heard is basically damaged trust to women as well and still act like she is victim. She and those people supported her is basically real predators
@@DMAGAEscober that’s a very black and white way to look at the situation if someone has already falsely accused someone of that if jail time or consequences are on the line they would do everything possible to not let the word get out that they lied but because they’re aren’t any repercussions a guilty conscious after a while eventually gets them to say that they were lying I would rather an innocent man get out of jail than serve his full sentence because the woman is to afraid to come out and say she was lying because she has jail time on the line I agree something needs to be done but im honestly not sure consequences would do much help
Cis Chinese Guy here, Back at the school I worked at I wanted to Cook my Secret Chinese Pork with Secret Fried Rice dating back to the Ding Dong Dynasty but school staff and PTA said it wasn't Kosher So during Taco Tuesday I would Jizz in the sour cream called it " Jizzam" my co-worker said I should of named it cumshot that will teach the round eyes to deny my culture!!!!
I feel so bad for him. This literally broke him and he might not return because of this. People need to be careful when throwing the word “rapist” and “groomer” around unless you have serious evidence, because this is proof that it can destroy not only you but your career.
@@biancathepansy You should feel stupid if you called him a rapist without getting his side of the story, because you were. There is a difference between ignoring reports of sexual arrassement and accepting allegations as facts until proven otherwise.
Totally agree and is also so bad because real stories get overlooked due to that 😬 and ofcourse it must feel so scary to receive any allegation that you are not guilty of
@@biancathepansy you should take a victim's story seriously but to believe them blindly is inadvisable. SA is a terrible crime, so it should be obvious that condemning someone for it is also something that can't be taken lightly
I watched Kwite’s whole video response and it’s absolutely soul crushing. Disgusting that someone would have this much malice and was so willing to destroy his career
This is just a bot hat copies people's comments and paste them u can check their channel and they always have the same thumbnail/pfp, like Jesus Christ...
The Kwite situation has taught me a very valuable lesson for not just the internet but for life, and that is that you don’t have to get involved. I really like Kwite and watched him a lot before he took a break (which he deserved), and when the allegations came out I was sad because I had never had a creator I really liked been accused of something like that before, and he was a genuinely funny dude. So I unsubscribed from him and all his alternative channels… that was it. I didn’t go and harass him and try to ruin his life, and just pulled from his direct line of support. And when they were proven false I subscribed again. You don’t have to insert yourself in a situation because it’s on the internet, and while I’m not saying to ignore victims. You can still comfort and console them, but you don’t have to go so far as to bash the accused because you think they’re deplorable when you don’t know the full story yet. Now every time there’s internet drama I kinda need to sit back and wait for the both sides, and see what each side has to offer.
I learned a while ago now, that I don't always need to have an opinion. I don't always need to make a decision on everything. In my experience - most people who react the way ppl reacted against Kwite are younger ppl with less life experience. They're not stupid, they're less experienced in life and sometimes are less emotionally mature.
You can't do that. We never know. People that retract are often forced to do so, regardless of truth. When a man can be found raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and get more than 6 months we can talk. Rape cases so often get no justice, tortures the victims, millions of rape kits go untested and almost all rapist never see any jail time. Its way more unfair for victims than the fasley accused and until that balances out, I don't care.
not to mention the very real and persistent damage it does to real victims. obviously they don't care about real justice, otherwise they wouldn't make false accusations, but you'd think they'd have some glimpsing level of empathy for the situation real victims find themselves in
the most damning thing ive seen showing the accusers intention was them bragging, tweeting "i could totally ruin his life" before doing this. they KNEW it was a huge deal and still lied. unbelievable.
Narcissistic Sociopathic Shitbag Karen with terrible Parents. They're all too common nowadays. Thanks Social Media, you've separated millions from reality and potential good healthy relationships. 👎
Apparently the accuser was diagnosed with BPD as well, outbursts like these and shit like this could very well be because of that I truly hope that that person is actually seeing a therapist
I fucking hope that this becomes a lesson for the internet. Don't believe every allegation against someone. Yet, I believe it won't be. I feel the internet in a month or two is going to completely forget this and go back to "canceling" everybody for zero proof
As someone who hasn’t came out with my horrifying experience yet it truly is so painful because the pain of such an event is so incredibly painful and damaging so to just see people come out with false claims and diminish people like me who already feel so scared to take legal action etc is just rlly sick. I am sorry and hope this person receives punishment. The comments did comfort me and I am so thankful because so many people do truly support and see the damage it does to actual stories 😭
The entire situation is not only sad for kwite but extremely frustrating to me. The fact that the accuser lied about such things really pisses me off because people like them is the reason why actual victims either never come out or no one believes them. Best wishes to kwite man you are strong.
My heart goes out to Kwite. I wasn’t even aware of this situation till I saw Kwite’s video with his face in the thumbnail and knew it was serious. Twitter is an absolute cesspool
When i saw the thumbnail i was like???? Kwite face revealed or something?? And then i just got sad, kwite was so entertaining to see and now i dont know if he'll ever come back
@@d7c388 twitter is not just a cesspool, it is not the sewage in the cesspool. I would call it the bacteria inside of the cesspool feeding on the sewage, but even that is a terrible insult to bacteria, because even the bacteria is better and more productive in their lives than the average twitter user.
i have been a fan of kwite for some time now and seeing those allegations broke my heart. i just kept saying to myself that it wasnt real and i waited for his response and when it came out it was in fact the greatest youtuber response moment of all time. i know that he is considering quitting youtube but with his kind of talent it would be a shame to see him go. with his face everywhere now he cant continue his comedic bits like floating hoodie and dating springtrap. I hope he comes back at some point but for now he can take his time. he deserves a break.
This whole judge, jury, executioner mob mentality is the worst byproduct of social media. Can't stand how literally anyone can make accusations about another person and hundreds, thousands, even millions of people will instantly believe them and if the accused doesn't respond within 24 hours they're automatically guilty. Whomever accused Kwite deserves the same consequences they were trying to give him.
I would say the second worst side effect of social media (that also plays into this) is the "blood over justice" mentality. Encouraging harassment or even assault/murder of the person who is "in the wrong" (no matter if they were guilty or not) is a disturbingly popular opinion online.
I still can't believe that every adult here has forgotten the first rule of being on the internet, DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING!!! They teach this in KINDERGARTEN TO 4th GRADE!!! How are people forgetting this one simple rule???
The way he was doxxed was so vile too. He was UNCOMFORTABLE with Orion taking pictures because he wanted to stay a faceless content creator, and then his very fear was thrown back in his face after Orion shared said pictures with other people and lied about it. Overall just an incredibly awful situation and I hope after everything Kwite can at least somewhat recover from the trauma and stress this has undoubtedly caused.
I will say Orion was terrible in this situation but I would like to say to the non-malicious ppl out there that Incase a real situation of what Orion lied about happens to you that it may be good to have a clear picture in your phone of the person/people, expeccially somewhat strangers, you hangout with but only if for the purpose of reporting it to the police (in the case that they do something criminal to you) to identify the person and with real evidence and trial, then maybe warn people online about them if they are not convicted.
as someone who was wrongly said to be a sexual assaulter. I am still getting backlash from it, even when it has been proven wrong. and I am a minor. so it will be 10 times easier for me to go through this than it will for kwite. thank you kwite for becoming an inspiration for me
I've been accused of SA before on twitter, people don't understand how much anxiety accusations give you. like I could not sleep properly for weeks after the accusation and having people DM me calling me a disgusting pig etc. even now I'll remember it every now and then and my stomach will just drop and I'll nearly vomit. you don't just "get over it" or just be fine.
Kwite is such a true legend. It’s such a shame he had to deal with this BS and reveal his face, insecurities, and anxieties for the entire world to see because of some piece of human trash.
True, my fiancé was falsely accused and put on an ankle monitor thinking he would go for life bc we couldn’t afford a lawyer, drained of all our savings and lost our apartment and car and friends just for the case to be dropped a year later. Not to mention the effect it had on his mental health. 🥲
As an SA victim myself, I hate it when people lie and make up allegations like this. It makes it much harder for real victims, male, female, or otherwise, to come forward. I really wish people would stop making allegations like these up for clout or to ruin someone's life or career.
The fact that Kwite had a bad feeling about Orion almost 5 years ago, did everything he could to distance + protect himself- and this STILL happened is heartbreaking. In my personal opinion as someone who has been abused by a narcissist- Orion’s combination of love bombing, emotional manipulation/abuse (in many forms), and trying to make himself look like the victim while slandering the person he abused is very much covert narcissist behavior. Covert narcissists are wolves in sheep’s clothing, and usually the only people who know are their victims. They literally did the DARVO tactic. Deny, Attack, Reverse, Victim and Offender.
i thought orion seemed incredibly immature and sort of bratty, reminding me of a lot of people i'd spoken with online when i was younger. but, narcs do have a tendency to seem like petulant children, especially when they don't get their way. it never fails to surprise me how blatant they are about their intentions, blanketing them just enough so as to make sense of it in their head, and so that their victims (who already feel pressured to give them the benefit of the doubt/not say anything to hurt them or set them off) can't pierce the thin veil. while orion allegedly described his parents as abusive, and it's worth mentioning that victims of (narcissistic) abuse are likely to mirror their abusers, it's still worth mentioning that orion definitely seems self-absorbed and to lack empathy. i hope he can see that about himself, so he can get help for it.
Personally for me, as someone who barely managed to get out of a toxic relationship alive, I felt secondary extreme pain hearing Kwite forcefully responding to all of these nonsense, as it made me re-live the most traumatising experience of my life, physically and mentally. I genuinely hope the worst for that creature for stepping so fucking low than even earthworms doesn't want to associate with that person. It's truly disgusting, and horrific that we are breathing the same air as these type of people. I'm sorry, but this gets me way too much on a personal level, and I can't even comprehend how worst it is for Kwite, to OPENLY share his private life that nobody on the internet should know, just to defend himself from being tagged as so many bad things. The damage has been done, and everything will forever be on the internet. I'm absolutely disgusted by this
I want to put a disclaimer on your comment. For a long time, I thought I was a narcissist. And, while it’s true that I can display the “lovebombing, victim blaming, etc” pattern, it’s from CPTSD, not narcissistic personality disorder. This was a point of great shame for me for a long time, and the hatred I felt from everyone around me prevented me from getting help, even though I knew something was wrong with me.
Yup if I’m ever famous I’m taking it to court every single time, I’ll let real life decide the truth and not teenagers on twitter. The irony of the hate mobs screaming for justice when what they really want is blood
@@dogwatersteakhouse9730 In this case it would be pretty easy to win because there are proofs, orion just manipulated the proofs and didnt even provide evidence, but Kwite said that he wont wanna do anything to orion as case he is done with that guy
Honestly.. I can not believe someone would do that to another human being. What do you gain from accusing someone other than getting attention. It is absolutely disgusting to see someone actually think of doing something like that to someone completely innocent.
A sense of vindication. Those types of people are the most petty of the petty, and will pull out all stops just to see someone they feel hurt by or don't like suffer. It makes them feel better about themselves, in a self-righteous "I really showed them, don't fuck with me, ha" sort of way. Speaking as a petty, stubborn motherfucker myself, that's what I think, anyways. I personally would never step over that line of basic human decency, but I can see people who lack empathy to balance that stubbornness taking shit waaay too far.
@@Mrspooky904 I don’t get his thinking here, People are obviously not going to believe anything you say now or atleast be more skeptical, Plus he literally faked the doctors note, Which is the final nail in the coffin in this situation
I felt awful for him as well. Poor dude did a whole face reveal and I got excited because I hadn't heard anything about any allegations (I'm not on Twitter much) but then it was this super serious video where he highlights some of his biggest insecurities and goes through all the texts etc. His video was so well made and he sounded so sincere and honest and vulnerable. What makes me SO angry is not only did the accuser lie (or maybe convince himself idk) but now he cast doubt on any other victim of abuse or r*pe or anything like that. It's very frustrating because there are lots of youtubers that are ACTUAL creeps and DO deserve to get taken down for it, but this doesn't seem to be the case here, and it just muddies the water when it comes to real abuse.
Orion definitely didn't convince themselves, they know full well they're lying because they just responded by halfassedly forging medical documents on Twitter
my ex had similar accusations of me and in result my childhood best friend (we met in 5th grade and the situation occured freshman year of college) believed her because, and i quote, he "always believes the woman." I've healed since but this kind of shit is simply atrotious. Pretending to be a victim to me is in turn spitting in the face of anyone who was/is actually a victim.
Situations like this are horrible. Not only do they damage those who are accused terribly and most likely irreversibly, and it's extremely disrespectful to those who have actually gone through these kinds of situations.
What pisses me off is that whoever started the lie gets off scot-free while Kwite has now to deal with the anxiety and trauma of having had to deal with this crap for who knows how long, maybe for the rest of his life. We all deal with anxiety, fear, depression, etc differently and this was a totally unnecessary attack on a person that has done absolutely nothing to deserve it. I can only hope that whoever did it gets karma's undivided attention for the rest of their life...
Well, good news is that might not be completely true. Orion (the fake victim) is associated with another big UA-cam channel that openly supported their lies and claimed them to be true, Kwites video took a huge chunk of those channels fans away. So it seems they might actually face some kind of hit.
Believing victims is an extremely subjective thing. While you can do it in a more non-toxic rational & approachable way by giving everyone the chance to speak and also be believed & taking all sides into critical consideration and on the other hand you can do what these basement dwellers do by engaging in cyberbullying. It's not "cancelling". It's cyberbullying. An actual crime in many countries.
Eh, it depends. I usually say 'guilty until proven innocent' but I don’t use it as an excuse to bully and harass the accused. I’d just rather believe a possible victim until the potential aggressor has proven that it’s not true. I don’t do anything though, just wait for a response. People that immediately jump to harassment and death threats are disgusting. Edit: Just wanna make clear that I believe Kwite and am on his side. What Orion did is disgusting and I understand that Kwite is the victim and was the one facing abuse not the other way around. Should’ve mentioned this from the start. What Kwite is going through is incredibly unfair and vile and nobody should have to deal with someone trying to ruin their life and career.
@@mlokgerm - What about things that just can't be proven wrong, tho? What if i lie completely abount an interaction that happened where i was harassed after i hanged out with a friend privately. How can he prove that he didn't do this if nothing obviously physical (like hurting) exists? You never should have the guilty until proven innocent mindset, because it simply isn't safe for anyone. Not saying you shouldn't believe the potential victim, but completely distorting someone's image just because you heard a (to that point) rumour isn't good to one's mental health, given proportion
@@mlokgerm The first burden of proof is on the victim though. If they can't provide some solid evidence or proof for their claims they should not be taken seriously until further notice. Innocent until proven guilty is the only thing that works. Immediately believing the victim is just not a mentality that works nowadays.
In sophomore year of highschool I got accused of sexual assault by my ex girlfriend and it ended up evolving into rape and physical abuse rumors. It was so devastating because not even a single person had my back and everyone who I thought was my friend stabbed me in the back immediately, they didn’t even bother to ask my side of the story. The hardest part was some of those friends I had been friends with since young childhood, and I never thought they’d just switch like that. My house got egged and I got threatened all the time, and I even got in a couple fights. I was kind of popular so the rumors spread to even other schools, and people who I had never even met before would dm me or tell me in person “aren’t you that rapist guy” and everyone just jumped on the hate train. It ruined my high school experience so badly I had to move schools twice and almost self deleted twice. These rumors truly are life altering and sometimes they will straight up ruin your life. I’m so glad to see Kwite getting his justice that I was never lucky enough to get.
@@sexmansex4776Legitimately sickening. All of it. How could someone knowingly ruin a person’s high school experience at the very fucking least by spreading such serious rumors. I’ve heard about rough breakups but that is just the worst. I truly hope your situation has improved.
i've been watching kwite since 2017, the fact that he might not come back because of this makes it so much worse. he's always been a good guy, no one deserves that.
Yeah, the fact that in the end, it's never going to be the same old channel is so painful. Reminds me of kitty0706. Such a bright career ruined by a single, sudden event.
I’m not sure how long I’ve been watching him either but this whole situation has broken my heart. I hadn’t heard of these allegations until just this morning when the entire internet came back onto his side and first of all I’m so glad I never heard them in the first place because a) I don’t think I would have believed them and b) if I did it would have broken my heart, kwite is a creator who is dear to me. A parasocial relationship that i value more than the others up there with my one with Charlie because they are both people that I can implicitly tell that I can trust. The most heartbreaking thing about this situation is even knowing what Kwite looks like at all to me. It’s obviously been such a big deal to him to never show his face and, despite him being FAR more attractive behind the mask than I thought he’d be over my years of viewership, it sucks to know the face of one of my favorite creators in a circumstance that is very much NOT under their terms when they had earned my respect without showing their face in the first place. What makes it so much worse is that ultimately it was over nothing. That makes what would ordinarily sting burn.
There's always caffeine addicted chronically online fiends online to accuse someone of something. Be it assault, or whatever new psychological term they just learned.
After the Slazo situation, I started to wait for both sides. And when Kwite came out with his side, he came out with receipts and chat logs from every conversation. Now that Orion has been exposed, I'm waiting on a lawsuit from faking medical forms and placing that doctor's name and the office. Everyone who tried to cancel Kwite owes him a public apology.
They do. But look at the slazo situation. None did they doubled down & most are still on the platform. It's funny that both slazo & kwite were friends with I'malexx. Like zaptie was and imalexx took part in the slazo & zaptie situations and said nothing with kwite
I agree 100%. I found out from a video by a small creator and from what I remember everyone agreed that it’s horrible if true but we should wait for the response Edit: I went back and looked, people - including myself - were less saying we should wait for the response and more saying like “I don’t believe the accusations I just don’t not believe them”
"no dad i'm sure that wasn't the case, you were probably clapping cheeks out there" i love to believe this is how Charlie speaks to his father in true moist fashion
Thank you for covering this. I watched Kwite semi-frequently, but when something on my feed came up as ‘kwite controversy’ i got really disappointed and haven’t looked him up again since I thought it would just be best not to interact. I wouldn’t have found out crap otherwise, so thank you for covering this. I hope Kwite will be okay.
It's crucial to take in all accounts of a situation in any argument so that you can recognize when you are wrong and build on each other to get as close to the truth as possible.
As a survivor of SA, things like this upset me because false accusations make it harder for those who actually were assaulted to get justice or to even be believed. Being assaulted is one of the worst things that has ever happened to me. So the fact that someone used that as a form of ruining someone for a personal benefit is disgusting. Whoever falsely accused him should be charged, because false accusations ruin people too.
it's a catch 22 because it's important to weed out lying accusers but it seems like people in general become more and more hostile to believing victims when things like this happen, thus making it more difficult than it already was to come forward, and the cycle continues.
Yeah, I literally happened upon a tweet that read WORD FOR WORD, "Why do you need 'evidence'? Why would anyone lie about something like this?" The response to this tweet was overwhelmingly positive. This is scary how easy it is to take advantage of people's sympathy. Once again another blow to the integrity to ACTUAL victims when they speak up.
Seriously, how lonely and miserable do you have to be to become this delusional (and quite frankly, stupid)? Pathetic is what these twitter users are. Pathetic morons that only feel satisfaction and pleasure from depriving others of it, hell I’m not even convinced that people actually believed the “better to believe a liar than a rapist” mentality. I genuinely think people used that as an excuse for malicious activity, similar to the entire hogwarts legacy drama. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was the case.
I think I saw that too! And that’s usually decent reasoning BUT not on the internet against an influencer😭 there’s literally so much you can get when lying about this on the internet
I absolutely love the way Charlie's explains how one should let their opinion influence their actions and waiting to formulate an opinion rather than latching on to whatever comes our way that we grasp onto.
I think you have a really levelheaded take on this. Showing support for a victim while also asking questions of the accused is an underestimatedly difficult course of action. Also justice for Charlie’s dad, someone take him onto their team, I’m sure he’s great.
I hated how they were like “the fact that kwite hasn’t spoken yet proves he’s a rapist” like holy crap give the man time to think, no one needs to gather evidence on a deadline
Not to try to counter this as a way of proving them right, but if this had gone to court as an actual crime, there is a deadline to gather evidence for it to be reviewed and discussed. It just isn't instantons.
@@Dkgow Oooh yeah good point ! I guess I was tryna say that if someone doesn’t instantly spawn evidence for them doesn’t mean they’re guilty lol
@@Dkgow yeah that deadline is usually a few weeks if not months, and also done by a big team of lawyers
@@Sopsy_Hallow Correct, meaning if it takes months to get a big group of lawyers, then people shouldn't expect a single person to take hours to do the same job. (When they most likely don't even know what they are looking for)
@@Dkgow Court deadline is measured in WEEKS, not hours. But you agree with that and I don't know why I post this. Either way, never jump on the gun, you might get hosed.
Imagine abusing someone, than blaming the person that YOU ABUSED. Scumbag behavior.
More common than you think. My ex did this and so did my bully in high school.
@@chatnoir9038 im very sorry for that, i hope you're in a better situation now.
@@cacapepecacapepe4003 Thank you for your kind thoughts. I very much am. These things leave a mark, but we as beings are able to overcome and transform incredibly. I have been in a healthy relationship for 5 years now and I have a handful of good friends who I treasure.
Nurture your compassionate streak, don't let the world make you think you have to harden your heart into stone. Keep leaving nice comments to people. ❤️
@@chatnoir9038 this is some reformed anime villain turning vigilante type quote. ill be sure to remember it.
You'd be surprised how many people do it.
What INFURIATES me is that the moment kwite released the video, everyone who were calling him those things quickly deleted them and posted anti-orion things, saying they didn't believe them from the start. No apology or anything, just switching sides and pretending nothing happened
That’s not even the worst part-Lord Bung, who publicly defended Orion and was their significant other for a period of time, didn’t accept Kwite’s response. They doubled down on it until they started getting backlash, and then they deleted it and gave a canned, inauthentic response about how “sorry” they were for “the anger and frustration they’ve caused”.
@@bean6803 They semi-retracted that and I thought that it had to sound disingenuous to even them while writing it haha
But, still, Bung is the perfect example of narcissistic supply.
Classic people-sheep behavior, they follow what's the common belief and be extremely biased against the other side
@@Haise-sanyep it’s like sports something like backwagon teaming or whatever it’s called idk I don’t remember
That’s what happened during the Johnny Depp trial. Everyone canceled him and now those same ppl want his comeback. It’s insane how people so easily flip flop. Jump on the bandwagon before it’s full.
This "guilty until proven innocent" crap had my entire school thinking my brother was a rapist. The girl had to come forward and say she was lying and a lot of people still didn't believe him. He had girls sign a "contract of consent" afterwards or he would refuse to sleep with them.
fucked up
That’s awful! Hope your brother is doing better!
fyi, that still would not constitute consent. Consent can be revoked at any time regardless of if a contract was signed.
@@ffc1a28c7 it'll at least be evidence that consent was established at some point ig, even if it isn't bulletproof, its psychological assurance
@@lechant7991 Won't deny that it can be useful. It's just that if someone accuses you of raping them, and you claim the contract, it doesn't say anything against the allegation.
The worst part about his situation is that he spent his whole UA-cam carrer trying to protect his identity and sensitive information about himself and now he had to put it all out there just to prove he wasn’t a bad person.
Such a horrible situation that it didn't even hit me that he revealed his face
@@sadie_cat exactly
that must be such a horrible thing to experience
Let's just all hope we don't talk about his face reveal when he streams
thats something that makes the other side such a horrible person they doxxed him and everyone went with it
as an SA victim, I find it so disgusting and infuriating that people are so willing to lie about being assaulted just bc they don't like someone on the internet. it makes actual victims scared to come out with their assault bc people are now just going to assume they're lying. also, kwite was the literal actual victim during their whole relationship and leading up to his video. I feel so very sorry for him
Not to mention if a victim comes forward about being SAd they will be accused of lying
@@cheshirerose2001 Like Charlie said you can be supportive of someone without hearing the whole story, but it's better to base your process after hearing all sides. Especially with something like this.
100th like
It’s far beyond not liking him It’s fairly probable from the evidence that Orion is straight up obsessed w kwite
its a lot more sickening since kwite was sa'd himself 🫤
People who make up false allegations need to have actual real serious consequences. As someome who was SAed for years but was forced to keep quiet because they are 'family' it extremely hurts me to see how easily some people get away with sexual assault and accusing others of assault. Because such cases make it harder for people who actually go through because of these disgusting liars. Hope Kwite's doing better.
I completely agree, people who fake BS like that take away time and attention from people that are actually suffering and actually need help and support. For me personally no one believed me, and it was the most heart breaking things I've been through. It's one of my biggest pet peeves.
@@Perrywinkle__ I hope you are doing better now
That would be called defamation
@@Perrywinkle__ not only those, but also trust. Unfortunately, people have a tendency to generalize, so when a fake victim accuses someone, people start to think that all victims are fake, even the real ones.
100% percent agree but only if it's proved it was faked cause sometime the case is dropped for lack of evidence and that doesn't necessary mean they lied
I sympathize with Kwite. I was accused of SA by an ex. as a result, I was potentially facing up to 10 yrs in prison for a crime I never committed. it was by pure luck of her changing her story so many times that I avoided going to prison
I hope kwite and yourself are doing better
Wrongful accusations like that are a lot more common than people realize. I was accused of it once fortunately it never blew up and the person accusing never went far.
Isn’t there a thing where you can sue back under “defamation of character” or something
@@VolcanicoD.S. I would have loved to do that but at that point, I had lost so much I just wanted to forget about it and move on. karma got my ex in the end as now she has 3 kids with 2 different guys and neither stayed with her
@@drifter139good
The things Orion did to kwite aren't just horrible, but should be downright criminal. Things like this don't just ruin kwite's life, but discredit actual victims in tons of other scenarios
orion forged a medical document claiming he had a diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder. they are a criminal
Orion also forged a fake medical documents and a fake doctor’s signature which is also illegal and apparently the doctor has been sent the fake doctor notes
@@zeroedits7582 hopefully someone sues because this person can't get away with this
@@zeroedits7582 WTF this goes past a bad social situation to willful criminal fraud. This Orion person is actually deranged.
@@zeroedits7582 Then let's cancel Orion and send them to jail for all the crimes they committed.
The fact he not only has to reveal his whole face, but all his insecurities, just to make a honest response breaks my heart.
Orion should've been charged for all the mess they've created. I don't care about their feelings if they did this all just for clout.
Unfortunately he had his face revealed by the asshole beforehand but now his current state is revealed and he's terrified to even go outside, shits horrible
Been waiting for you to post
They completely doxed him as well when they realized that after his response no one would believe them. people going out of their way to just ruin this random guys life, why
They're extremely fucking embarrasing
It's just so sad how his 'face reveal' was done when he was in such a horrible situation and not in a way where he was comfortable and finally found confidence in himself.
yea
Sadly
Sometimes you just have to get pushed into a corner so when you finally push back
You're freer than before
It is sad that he got forced to find the strength to show his OWN face rather than earning it on his own
But I'm glad that he got there anyway
The worst part was that no one ever said sorry. Like twitter itself is a hole of misery, no one said "dang man sorry about that." they all just moved on.
IKR. They just switched sides and pretend nothing happened.
@@FOSSILSTR1KE_111 I swear that shit is more toxic than fukushima and Chernobyl combined
I did see a couple of ppl saying sorry but it didn’t even feel enough. I wish they said like “next time someone is accused of smth heinous with no proof I’ll stay neutral and learn from this” or actually acknowledge the gravity of what they did. Saying sorry isn’t even enough. And they couldn’t even wait a month? After like 3 days ppl were saying he was guilty because he didn’t respond…..
I wasn't even apart of it until I saw his face in the thumbnail
The first time that I can say that I physically felt fear affect my body before
To this DAY
To this DAY
@@Denturess Three days?
Orion themself said "oh yeah I went through on BLUECORD so that I could scroll faster and delete most of my interaction with him"
Orion
The "victim"
Downloaded a discord app mod
So they could scroll up faster and delete evidence on their account
THAT WAS SO SUS AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE WHOLE THING AFTER KWITES' RESPONSE
Everytime false accusations ruin someone's life, it makes it harder for ACTUAL people to come forward and that's so sad. Despicable to fuck up someone's career like this
Right, and this also makes it easier for actual predators to prey on victims :/
Exactly.
@@techne360 exactly what I was thinking
this is so funny to me because he pulled this exact thing on slazo LOL karma really does come back
@@twigsno Swazi doesn’t care + bait comment
As a victim of repeated rape and abuse, I am disgusted with people who make up lies, especially when those lies are designed to hurt someone innocent. It hurts victims and it hurts good people. Assault liars are the scum of the earth.
They are exactly why I never reported bc there was no forensic evidence and any other evidence was on my rapist’s phone so I had no access to it to prove he was abusive to me. I knew that bc of the chronically online AND the incels would reduce my chances of getting justice.
The chronically online would hunt him down or doxx him and just put me in danger and the incels would just bully me.
@@StayLucid23 dam, eat me?
@@StayLucid23torture them into confession
I hope you're doing better
*What makes me sick is even though he's innocent, his career is still irreparably damaged & his accuser will face ZERO long term consequences. They should be thrown in prison.*
Also all the mental trauma
Makes you feel any better is confinement is canceled forever, and half of what was completed was softcore porn anyways so yeah
Someone should doxx her
It may count as defamation and if he found out who the dipshit that did all that to him is he could bring him to court but im not a lawyer. The closest ive got to law was when i played ace attorney
What fucks me up is that some people are going still believe he’s a rapist because of one narcissist
as someone who was SA'd multiple times and then had to deal with harassment from false SA accusations after all of that, what happened to kwite sickens me to my core. it's been almost a year since i was falsely accused and i'm still suffering and i still risk being harassed daily because of the absolute mess that was made by my accuser. (shit, she even tried to get in contact with me a few days ago and is still talking about me, including telling people around her about private matters that i went through. she brought up my recent suicide attempt, that i kept secret, at a mutual friend's daughter's funeral. this kind of shit doesn't leave you, even in the event of tragedy.) it's so disgusting to see this happening to someone else on such a large scale. kwite handled it so well and with such decorum. it makes me feel so much less alone and so much more valid in my sexual trauma; i just wish those feelings didn't have to come from seeing someone else's life nearly get ruined too. i truly hope that kwite is able to heal from this and move on with his life. and i hope that everyone who falsely accuses people of things like sexual assault, especially when the person they're lying about has been through that very thing, rots in the deepest pit of hell for all eternity. it's completely unacceptable.
@The Robloxian Minecrafter trust me, as soon as i have the funds im skipping town LMFAO
u deserve the world man
@@kozuyoko7028 thanks bro :)
I feel sad for you after reading what you've been through. Is there anything I can do to help?
@@lifadysi9418 tysm :(
how kwite handled this was unbelievably mature. id be absolutely beside myself if this happened to me. the fact that he suffered so much and still continues to be level headed is insane to me.
The way Kwite responded just proved he was innocent, and with the messages he put also showed how abusive and manipulative Orion was to him and it’s just sad to see because I’ve gone through the same thing being sexually abused and then the abuser turns around and blames you of abusing them.
@@staypuft24 okay?
@@alexmartinez-iq6ti did you have something to add?
@@sierraskye913 No, they just want attention.
Absolutely. People who falsely accuse need to be given serious consequences, there are many many real victims out there and these bullsh!tters who want attention are completely invalidating them and making it harder for them to get their stories out, not even mentioning how much anxiety this guy went through. I always try to stay unbiased and at least hear the victim out when these things happen, not immediately strongly defend either side, just hope it isn’t true. I wonder when stuff like this will stop happening
I wish people on Twitter can stop saying that he’ll be “fine”. He won’t be fine, he had to deal with harassment, fear and anxiety over a lie.
If it doesn’t happen to them, they don’t care. Only when it affects them does it get serious. These people are that self centered.
He had to deal with anxiety, fear and anxiety over a lie?? He'll be fine.
@@MajorTomGroundControl the greatest bait I've ever seen
@@lulub517 It'd be funny if he decided to sue all of them for slander if they didn't apologize. Then we'd get to see who's fine
Twitter truly needs to be deleted it’s truly the biggest shit community without joking
As a person who got raped and experienced a lot of physical abuse I feel horrible with people lying about such a sensitive topic. It makes real victims less believable. I hope he will get better cause he doesn't deserve this kind of shit.
Hope you’re doing better
@@magicalgrim3471 since i went on a therapy its gotten better so dont worry
I'm sorry for u
how do u become better did u ever feel worthless or deserving of punishment
asking for a friend obviously
much love
apologies if thats an insensitive question
Charlie is basically the voice of the silent majority imo. He says everything that most people understand but don't spew out loud
If you think nobody says this stuff out loud u might j be hanging in the wrong circles
@@hayleylamb1417 idk if u understood it or not but the silent majority is for example the people who vote around the middle of the political spectrum. Not talking about my close friends
@@the21ms.new_save_file68and silent majority also include people who aren't on Twitter and mentally ill
Those who falsely accuse others for rape needs to be charged. Too many are getting too comfortable doing this.
defamation cases can go a long way
I agree. There should be a punishment other than being labeled as a bad person. They need to be charged.
agreed. its making actual victims look like liars
I agree, it’s insane you can try and ruin someone life without any repercussion
most rape cases that go to court already get dismissed due to lack of evidence, you really want to risk charging a rape victim for reporting their rape?
What's sad about this is that even if you clear your name after dealing with false allegations, the damage is already done. Kwite didn't deserve any of this!
As proven with Keemstar’s bullshit allegations against that old guy who was said to be a pedophile but he actually got the wrong guy and some random guy was accused and harassed and stalked by his radioactive fanbase. Even though he came out with an apology for the guy, the damage had been done and people were STILL harassing him.
@@Dont_Read_Profile_Pic Bot
@@CoreDreamStudios no shit Sherlock
@@ACHILLES8887 What a nice, meaningful comment
@@Khimicheskiy Mind if I join this reply chain?
Orions "apology" really does show just how horrid a human can be
@PlacticusOnFP oh no…is there a video of it?
@@brookestarr7571no they made a tweet
the noise that just left my mouth at "no they made a tweet"
i dont know what i expected but it definitely wasnt that little, or that much of a "ackshually, go fucc yurself"
They made a "my mental health made me do it." Apology.
Instead of a comment, let me tell you a story
Back during my freshman year, there was a girl who liked to make shit up to start drama. One day she decided she was going to start saying that the nicest male teacher in the school had been SAing her. He was fired, and put on the registry, even after the claims were proved false, and the girl was suspended for 3 days. Later this same year, one of the female teachers was found to be grooming and regularly assaulting one of the male students. The male student was moved to a different class only 4 or 5 rooms away, and the teacher got off with 6 weeks paid leave.
Extremely disgusting double standards
@BeigeJungle57 I would've looked the other way if she was given 6 weeks suspended, just because I'm used to this shit, bit PAID leave? The fuck?
because the teacher said the kid "liked" it probably
@@visuyeif that’s how it actually worked then the system responsible is just fucking delusional as hell
Im sorry but i read this imagining it was Candy Cadet from that "Let me tell you a Story:" 😅
So lemme get this straight, ORION was the one being creepy, weird and even harassed Kwite at one point, Kwite not only had to go through that, but then had to go through everyone thinking he was thw bad guy????
Yes, and Orion belongs in a place worse than hell
Kwite was just unlucky to come across one of those obsessive, delusional people, fucking despicable scum
@@astraldr4gon he belongs in the streets, ohio streets
@@facundosilveira5535 i don’t need him in my streets 💀💀💀
Texas streets
@@TeamY3ll send him to detroit 😈
This dude was just chill, literally had to expose his deep af insecurities about sexual anxiety and self harm all just so his life wouldn't be ruined by some asshole, and still he couldn't get past it forever
It really makes me think about his interactions with nux and all the jokes they had, now knowing these insecurities.
also his voice is incredibly soothing
@Don't Read My Profile Photo wrong place fella
Yeah, whatever the motives behind it. The damage has been dealt to him forever, not just that even in the face of contradictory evidence people will judge him but he got forced to expose stuff that I wouldn’t anyone want people to know let alone the entire internet.
Hope he’s doing all right after all that.
I remember when false sexual assault allegations got rolled out against M2K and he had to publicly reveal some very serious medical trauma that proved he literally, physically could not have done what he was accused of. It fucking sucked.
This is such an unhealthy mentality of guilty until proven innocent and this has been around even before the internet
I always think of how the media portrays people in such a negative light only to be completely false.
They did the same thing to Micheal Jackson. They are trying to do the same thing to Ye
@@AidYannWhat did people say Ye was guilty of?
@@AidYann umm pretty sure ye is a nazi :p
"You dont want the truth, you just want somebody to hate." is a great sentence that I will probably use a lot now. I've had people stalk my socials to find my private ones, just to blow up in my face about shit I keep to myself. And even after trying to explain calmly to get them to calm down even a little bit, I'm always met with "I don't care, I just think you're a freak/etc. etc." and then they block me. Every single time. People like that are truly the worst.
judging from your profile the only social media platform you faced harassment on was discord
@@domainexpansion-boosiefademaybe don't judge someone based off their pfp? Sometimes it doesn't correlate to what platforms they're on.
@@domainexpansion-boosiefadeDawg, what are you on about? 💀
@@domainexpansion-boosiefadeyou're literally being an example of someone just wanting somebody to hate 😭
@@domainexpansion-boosiefadesounds like your from Twitter with that comment of yours
"You don't care about the truth, you just want someone to hate." Is a wonderful summation of not only twitter, but a large portion of humanity at this point in time. Very well stated.
Could of been stated better, but yeah pretty much 2020's
@@taylorjacquez7451 people are just that bored they decided to ruin people's lives
At any point in time. It literally has always been this way. It's a part of human nature; just look at what happened to Socrates.
At this point in time? Always been like this, we just didn’t have the internet
@@Cyberwar101 I don't disagree.
Kwite was literally just trying to be kind to this person, and when he eventually cut them off for the sake of his own mental health, they proceeded to try and ruin his life for the next six years. Words can't describe how angry I am, or how sorry I feel for Kwite. I hope he can heal from this.
The fact that people cannot remove a thorn in their life without the wound becoming an infection is the problem with this world.
@@hirotakasugi4891 proof
@@hirotakasugi4891 he apologized on that in the video
@@hirotakasugi4891 Kwite had already apologised pubically twice over to Slazo and made his own comment in his video talking about how this experience makes him want to do a third apology. Kwite isn't a bad person, just a flawed one, which is normal. He got suckered into believing that Slazo was an abuser just the same as hundreds and thousands of people were just suckered by Orion into thinking the same of him. Being lied to does not make a person themselves a liar.
you shouldnt feel any way about it, this is a stranger on the internet not your brother, stop becoming emotionally invested in people that dont care or even know about you.
The fact that Kwite didn’t press charges is WILD truly a calm person
for what? false allegations aren't a crime.
@@jodieisnotokay1155 Can't you sue for defamation? That's a crime, and we saw Johnny Depp and Amber Heard go through that in the last couple years. Although, I may be wrong and this may not quantify as defamation.
@avriel6903 defamation is civil not criminal, you can't press charges for civil crimes.
@@jodieisnotokay1155 Thank you for the clarity :)
@@jodieisnotokay1155although Orion did commited a crime,aka forging a false medical document.if not those SA,they will be jailed for forging a fake medical document
It angers me when someone falsely accuses someone of SA. Not only because it’s hurts the person being accused but hurts actual victims because “what if you’re just lying like ____ did?” Even if they’re telling the truth
Also instead of Orion going to the police he went immediately to the internet.
That's why there's this whole thing with investigations, stop fucking treating these things like it's a popularity contest. Fuck "appealing to masses" every case should go through proper legal procedure.
Can we all pretend we never saw Kwite's face? I wanna keep seeing him as a flying hoodie
i agree. dspite clicking on this vid, i will block his rom my mind. im gonna catch up on kwites vids and hold out for the future, cuz i dont know that Kwite will come back. i dont want to think of kwite differently at all so just outta respect. -ii
What face?
He did a face reveal? I just saw a hoodie
The fucks a face?
I miss joking about how we could slightly see his eyes through the glasses n stuff😭
The part I hate the most is the fact some people are just saying “he can just get over it” when it’s a fact HE was the one that was sexually assaulted and harassed by Orion. Where’s the care and compassion for his assault?
He is a guy. Sadly. It's different.
@@azadice3534 wasn't the accuser also a guy? Genuinely asking
@@samSamSam11918 yeah it was
At the time I belive they weren't. I guess. Times are a changing you know.
@@azadice3534 At the time Orion identified as a male and still does
As a victim of sexual abuse this makes me so so sad, this both hurts his image so much and hurts us being believed when we finally dare to tell our stories
I hope you’re feeling better!
Here in Texas, you will face harsh punishments for False Accusations.
W texas @@rickyrackey7930
Orion: 3 years to come up with a couple edited DMs
Kwite: 3 weeks to provide everything around Orion’s “proof.”
Not even, all the 3 weeks took was for the Skype evidence. So he immediately had basically a novel of proof, Orion faked legal documents which you need to have years to get done to be remotely believable.
not even edited, just normal dms that dont prove anything, and a twitlonger claiming things with no backing
@Marq it's almost exactly like pyro, they both exposed their secrets to prove their innocent
@Marq it's like if hyojin's emotional abuse was mixed with pyrocynical's revealing he had a furry discord server
The fact Orion forged FAKE medical documents to “prove” they were abused just shows how much of a scumbag they are
The amount of people who don't realize that what Orion did with leveraging selfharm to keep kwite close is textbook emotional abuse is honestly worrying.
I immediately knew from the texts alone that Orion was abusive as fuck and super grooming Kwite. Felt that, been there, hopefully he has friends to help him not go to the end because he never deserved that. Hell, he even explained faults he did make.
Had someone leverage suicide to keep me in a relationship. I was 13 and easily scared, but after a year I couldn't take the stress any more. A year after the breakup he said he told me he'd been hospitalized three times and it was all my fault. It's the absolute worst shit.
Ngl I wouldn't be surprised if this was his last video. He was forced to reveal his face something he never would of done if not for the leaks. He was accused of a very serious crime which according to his video was very hurtful as he himself was raped/sexually assaulted. I love Kwites content but after having people you thought were on you side switch on a dime it probably hurts like hell. If he does return it'll probably be after years. And to some, it doesn't even matter if he did give a good response. Hell still be labeled as a rapist to them and the "victim is always right" is the hill they will die on. Damn shame man. Kwite if you're reading this I love you man. You don't really owe us anything since generally you made our days, not really the other way around. If you decide to step away from UA-cam for good, that's fair. I just hope you can move on from this.
@@groundzer0s if it means anything you didn't deserve that what they did was terrible and you shouldn't have been put through that
Majority of the people defending Orion were rather young, scary how loud the voice of children can get on Twitter unproven.
As a victim of sexual assault, I was horrified to speak about it for over a year before I finally told my principal what my classmate did to me. I remember, word for word, her telling me “If it really happened, you wouldn’t have waited a year. He graduates in a month, stop trying to ruin his career.”
It pisses me off when false accusations like this happen because it doesn’t just hurt the person being accused, but it affects every other person who actually IS a victim, because then people are inclined to assume it’s for attention.
I’ve said “innocent until proven guilty” in school while me and my friends were talking about an alleged rapist in our school and they gave me shit for it. Turns out he was innocent.
it’s insane how “innocence until proven guilty” was not only ignored but completely thrown out the window, people were seriously ready to demonize him from the start.
it's because "men bad, women never lie" mentality that spiraled out of control on twitter and tumblr.
@@vincentstark830 the accuser was a guy tho
@@currentlycryingat3am "men bad, women never lie" logic doesn't depend on who tells the story, just if it involves a man hurting a woman or not. If there's an allegation of a man raping a woman, the man is guilty by default, if it's the other way around, the man is made fun of and the woman is a chad.
Skepticism needs to exist when shit like this happens. I'm so sick of seeing the same mistakes get repeated over and fucking over.
Innocent until proven guilty just doesn’t exist on Twitter or on social media anymore unfortunately…it’s very dangerous and scary
the worst thing is that nobody is going to learn from this situation and they’ll do all of this again the next time it happens
That's why I've lost pretty much all faith in social media. I'll still be on it, yes, but at this point, I wholeheartedly believe social media is destroying humanity.
How many people's lives are the monsters on horrific websites like Twitter are going to ruin until they realize there's nobody and nothing left?
@@yookeemookee mob justice predates social media. People screaming on twitter won't harm you unless you live off content creation
@@yookeemookee heck even for content creators it's debatable they can harm anybody.
It’s a sad tale that’s been told too many times at this point.
History is doomed to repeat itself why because of people like this!! 💀
I’m glad that Kwite has started posting again, hope he recovers from this terrible event that happened to him.
i genuinely feel horrible for being one of the people who fully trusted orion. i learned a lot from this situation and i'm never trusting any side of a story without hearing all sides first
Good, you learned from this. Unfortunately, most won't.
I'm proud of you for recognizing you were wrong and owning up to it. Many Twitter freaks double down and refuse to listen to the evidence from the other side.
Glad you learned from this bud!
I’m happy you learned from it, there’s a lot of stubborn people !
Thank you for taking responsibility and wanting to become a better person. W you.
The worst thing about this whole drama is that even though Kwite has definitively proved his innocence, there are dipshits on Twitter and TikTok who will not only maintain that he’s guilty when he isn’t, but will go out of their way to gaslight and harass him for the rest of his life.
Some people just got too much power than they deserve
Honestly I think the best option is to block all people who show signs of genuine harassment
@@pawelzawrotniak3826 of you just ignore them, they'll snowball and grow in numbers
@@66ixty9ine what is your solution in that case ?
@@pawelzawrotniak3826 nah ignoring is the right choice,reacting and discussing with them will only do de opposite effect.
If you ignore and don't react,with time they'll eventually stop and target something else
Edit:you dont really need to block them,just ignore,they'll get bored of it eventually.
Orion's actions are the exact reason why actual victims are scared to come out against their abusers.
Fr and now I’m not gonna have to do “believe the victim bc why would they li?” I’m gonna have to do “neutral until proven guilty/innocent”. It’s crazy, man
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ I mean yeah that's what you should do in the first place lol
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ that’s how it should’ve been from the start. The only reason why “believe all victims!” Started is because accusers (not victims) wanted to be believed at all costs
@@MadaraUchiha-.._ it’s innocent until proven guilty. Being neutral is a brain dead move.
Penguinz0 did bad things to me.
Are you really neutral to that claim? Because based from what you said, he now has to prove his innocence. Or I have to prove his guilt. The world has it figured out a little more than you. Hence, penguinz0 doesn’t have to prove his innocence, he is free until I prove him guilty.
But hey, he is guilty. Why would I just be saying that? Are you really neutral?
Sadly, this. I had no real proof in court because my abuse all happened in person before I even knew how to use the internet. I am glad Kwite could prove he is innocent. It sucks that this will only add to how people discredit victims who don't technically have "proof". Word against word really sucks sometimes.
Scrolling through the comments i see a lot of people talk about their SA experience and its so sad to read about. I hope you guys recover soon and im so sorry you had to experience that ❤❤
I know I'm late to this video, but thank you for posting this. I was sexually assaulted in high school by my then girlfriend and I was a virgin before this, and after we broke up she immediately started claiming that I was the one to assault her and I went through a very similar situation. It's very reassuring to hear you talk about this story and call people like her and all those who act without thinking out. It really helps bring light to situations like Kwite and I's, especially since many don't give a second thought when a male is the one being accused. So thank you Charlie, this video really helped.
Hope you doin better homie, keep
Your head up man
The worst part about this is that it makes it that much harder for real victims to get help. And in the end helps real abusers rather than stop them.
It’s a real dilemma for sure. I just hope more people can grow up and just understand that both situations (someone being the victim and someone being falsely accused) can happen. These people need to stop pointing fingers and refusing to hear anyone out and just listen to both sides of the story. Eventually, the person lying would get nervous and break, so they’ll get their punishment.
Your only solution is to punish the false accuser, if not this will keep happening, they have something to gain and will not face trouble if they are caught.
that also why amber heard is basically damaged trust to women as well and still act like she is victim. She and those people supported her is basically real predators
@@DMAGAEscober that’s a very black and white way to look at the situation if someone has already falsely accused someone of that if jail time or consequences are on the line they would do everything possible to not let the word get out that they lied but because they’re aren’t any repercussions a guilty conscious after a while eventually gets them to say that they were lying I would rather an innocent man get out of jail than serve his full sentence because the woman is to afraid to come out and say she was lying because she has jail time on the line I agree something needs to be done but im honestly not sure consequences would do much help
Cis Chinese Guy here, Back at the school I worked at I wanted to Cook my Secret Chinese Pork with Secret Fried Rice dating back to the Ding Dong Dynasty but school staff and PTA said it wasn't Kosher So during Taco Tuesday I would Jizz in the sour cream called it " Jizzam" my co-worker said I should of named it cumshot that will teach the round eyes to deny my culture!!!!
What's horrifying to think is that this can happen to any faceless youtuber just to force them to face reveal out of spite.
Part of it was spite the other part was the accuser sent out his face to people Kwite didn’t know so he was kind of forced to
It's sad we live in a day and age where Charlie has to explain the basics of common human decency
unpopular opinion but false acusations of this magnitude should have mandatory prison time
real
I feel so bad for him. This literally broke him and he might not return because of this. People need to be careful when throwing the word “rapist” and “groomer” around unless you have serious evidence, because this is proof that it can destroy not only you but your career.
@@biancathepansy You should feel stupid if you called him a rapist without getting his side of the story, because you were. There is a difference between ignoring reports of sexual arrassement and accepting allegations as facts until proven otherwise.
Totally agree and is also so bad because real stories get overlooked due to that 😬 and ofcourse it must feel so scary to receive any allegation that you are not guilty of
@@biancathepansy you should take a victim's story seriously but to believe them blindly is inadvisable. SA is a terrible crime, so it should be obvious that condemning someone for it is also something that can't be taken lightly
But he is a groomer and a rapist.
I hope he returns, he’s returned on Kwyte, so i hope that means he’ll start posting on Kwite and Kwote soon.
I watched Kwite’s whole video response and it’s absolutely soul crushing. Disgusting that someone would have this much malice and was so willing to destroy his career
You're shocked? lol this happens a lot.
And that Orion has been emotionally abusing and sexually harassing him for years.
@@UnOeufff I think it's worse that you are trying to not be shocked as though this is a perfectly normal thing that should happen
This is just a bot hat copies people's comments and paste them u can check their channel and they always have the same thumbnail/pfp, like Jesus Christ...
@@bingplayz ill admit i got fooled twice by bot comments being genuine cuz their usernames were ok. Now im paranoid of every sus pfp being bots.
The Kwite situation has taught me a very valuable lesson for not just the internet but for life, and that is that you don’t have to get involved. I really like Kwite and watched him a lot before he took a break (which he deserved), and when the allegations came out I was sad because I had never had a creator I really liked been accused of something like that before, and he was a genuinely funny dude. So I unsubscribed from him and all his alternative channels… that was it. I didn’t go and harass him and try to ruin his life, and just pulled from his direct line of support. And when they were proven false I subscribed again. You don’t have to insert yourself in a situation because it’s on the internet, and while I’m not saying to ignore victims. You can still comfort and console them, but you don’t have to go so far as to bash the accused because you think they’re deplorable when you don’t know the full story yet. Now every time there’s internet drama I kinda need to sit back and wait for the both sides, and see what each side has to offer.
I learned a while ago now, that I don't always need to have an opinion. I don't always need to make a decision on everything.
In my experience - most people who react the way ppl reacted against Kwite are younger ppl with less life experience. They're not stupid, they're less experienced in life and sometimes are less emotionally mature.
People need to be punished harder for false accusations, the amount of damage someone can cause with little repercussion is honestly scary.
The problem though, is that real victims will still be written off and then punished on top of it. It sucks that its never that easy
@@laughableInflection yup. this sucks for everyone.
And the death threat bots ect
You can't do that. We never know. People that retract are often forced to do so, regardless of truth. When a man can be found raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster and get more than 6 months we can talk. Rape cases so often get no justice, tortures the victims, millions of rape kits go untested and almost all rapist never see any jail time. Its way more unfair for victims than the fasley accused and until that balances out, I don't care.
not to mention the very real and persistent damage it does to real victims. obviously they don't care about real justice, otherwise they wouldn't make false accusations, but you'd think they'd have some glimpsing level of empathy for the situation real victims find themselves in
the most damning thing ive seen showing the accusers intention was them bragging, tweeting "i could totally ruin his life" before doing this. they KNEW it was a huge deal and still lied. unbelievable.
And that's how you spot a sociopath. Steer clear and stay cautious
Narcissistic Sociopathic Shitbag Karen with terrible Parents. They're all too common nowadays. Thanks Social Media, you've separated millions from reality and potential good healthy relationships. 👎
Apparently the accuser was diagnosed with BPD as well, outbursts like these and shit like this could very well be because of that
I truly hope that that person is actually seeing a therapist
This why you should always assume a Twitter Accusation is false until very solid and undeniable evidence comes forth
@@ShadowEclipse777 innocent till proven guilt sounds better it’s the same thing tho
I fucking hope that this becomes a lesson for the internet. Don't believe every allegation against someone. Yet, I believe it won't be. I feel the internet in a month or two is going to completely forget this and go back to "canceling" everybody for zero proof
As someone who hasn’t came out with my horrifying experience yet it truly is so painful because the pain of such an event is so incredibly painful and damaging so to just see people come out with false claims and diminish people like me who already feel so scared to take legal action etc is just rlly sick. I am sorry and hope this person receives punishment. The comments did comfort me and I am so thankful because so many people do truly support and see the damage it does to actual stories 😭
The entire situation is not only sad for kwite but extremely frustrating to me. The fact that the accuser lied about such things really pisses me off because people like them is the reason why actual victims either never come out or no one believes them. Best wishes to kwite man you are strong.
Uh, clearly people do believe them though?
@@HailAzathoth Not always. Real victims have had people dismiss them or claim they are lying.
It's not all one thing or all the other.
@@HailAzathoth some do but either way it makes it harder for the victims to come out because of people who lie about this stuff.
Imo, false accusers and people who take things at face value without evidence are just worse than rapists.
@@sadek__4952 bad opinion then wtf
My heart goes out to Kwite. I wasn’t even aware of this situation till I saw Kwite’s video with his face in the thumbnail and knew it was serious. Twitter is an absolute cesspool
"Twitter is a RATHOLE"
-The only smart thing Jordan Peterson has ever said
When i saw the thumbnail i was like???? Kwite face revealed or something?? And then i just got sad, kwite was so entertaining to see and now i dont know if he'll ever come back
Don’t call Twitter a cesspool. That’s being too generous.
@@d7c388 twitter is not just a cesspool, it is not the sewage in the cesspool. I would call it the bacteria inside of the cesspool feeding on the sewage, but even that is a terrible insult to bacteria, because even the bacteria is better and more productive in their lives than the average twitter user.
@@goaway9923 better
Legally you are innocent till proven guilty, but socially you are guilty till proven innocent, and even then you’re still guilty
i have been a fan of kwite for some time now and seeing those allegations broke my heart. i just kept saying to myself that it wasnt real and i waited for his response and when it came out it was in fact the greatest youtuber response moment of all time. i know that he is considering quitting youtube but with his kind of talent it would be a shame to see him go. with his face everywhere now he cant continue his comedic bits like floating hoodie and dating springtrap. I hope he comes back at some point but for now he can take his time. he deserves a break.
@Androids1001 he really deserves that break! The poor guy been though too much.
This whole judge, jury, executioner mob mentality is the worst byproduct of social media. Can't stand how literally anyone can make accusations about another person and hundreds, thousands, even millions of people will instantly believe them and if the accused doesn't respond within 24 hours they're automatically guilty. Whomever accused Kwite deserves the same consequences they were trying to give him.
I would say the second worst side effect of social media (that also plays into this) is the "blood over justice" mentality.
Encouraging harassment or even assault/murder of the person who is "in the wrong" (no matter if they were guilty or not) is a disturbingly popular opinion online.
@@tccc5331 If I were to sum Twitter with one character from a game, it'd be Von Karma from Ace Attourney
happened to me and it ruined my blooming music career
haha mob mentality
- new thing. Good take brother.
@@tccc5331 eh tbh all of humanity has been like that forever, think of all the genocides or salem witch type events that happened
Glad you're covering this, I feel so fucking bad for him
Me too
His situation sucks, being accused of crap he actually went through… I feel bad for him.
Yeah when he pulled up the receipts shit got WILD. Hope he ok
@Red Star 🅥 I do care though
Me when I say something nice in a Penguinz0 comment, put my phone on vibrate and stick it up my ass:
Fr tho 400+ likes in less than 3 minutes???
bro i've watched Kwite for so long, it really makes me sad and pisses me off what happened to him, Kwite needs some Justice really bad.
I still can't believe that every adult here has forgotten the first rule of being on the internet, DON'T TRUST EVERYTHING!!! They teach this in KINDERGARTEN TO 4th GRADE!!! How are people forgetting this one simple rule???
The way he was doxxed was so vile too. He was UNCOMFORTABLE with Orion taking pictures because he wanted to stay a faceless content creator, and then his very fear was thrown back in his face after Orion shared said pictures with other people and lied about it. Overall just an incredibly awful situation and I hope after everything Kwite can at least somewhat recover from the trauma and stress this has undoubtedly caused.
I will say Orion was terrible in this situation but I would like to say to the non-malicious ppl out there that Incase a real situation of what Orion lied about happens to you that it may be good to have a clear picture in your phone of the person/people, expeccially somewhat strangers, you hangout with but only if for the purpose of reporting it to the police (in the case that they do something criminal to you) to identify the person and with real evidence and trial, then maybe warn people online about them if they are not convicted.
@@hypnopompicfool985 I understand having the pictures. Sharing them. Horrible
The kwite situation des3rve to happen because my content ls better!
@@MSSMEG2005 shut up bot
The depression of Orion is fake?
This is so sad because Kwite is such a genuine and sweet guy. He doesn’t deserve this. :(
This is why you don't listen to folks on Twitter.
@@somerandolad Definitely don’t 🫡
@@somerandolad i can’t stand twitter fr
The mob mentality doesn't know empathy, it is but a ugly mass of anger nurtured by a culture of extremism.
The kwite situation des3rve to happen because my content ls better!
as someone who was wrongly said to be a sexual assaulter. I am still getting backlash from it, even when it has been proven wrong. and I am a minor. so it will be 10 times easier for me to go through this than it will for kwite. thank you kwite for becoming an inspiration for me
I've been accused of SA before on twitter, people don't understand how much anxiety accusations give you. like I could not sleep properly for weeks after the accusation and having people DM me calling me a disgusting pig etc. even now I'll remember it every now and then and my stomach will just drop and I'll nearly vomit. you don't just "get over it" or just be fine.
I'm sorry man, hope you're going ok
Kwite is such a true legend. It’s such a shame he had to deal with this BS and reveal his face, insecurities, and anxieties for the entire world to see because of some piece of human trash.
Kwite is honestly one of the bravest people on the internet. He's a very private person and was just forced to blurt it all out there.
@@grimalkit22 Nuh uh
@@grimalkit22bruh
@@grimalkit22 I like dream but kwite is way more of a legend
@@ka1xu110 bruh indeed 😂
not the bravest person on the internet, but did something brave, yes.
I feel for him as a victim of false domestic violence allegations. The stress can kill you, literally.
yhup
That’s very unfortunate I hope you’re doing well.
True, my fiancé was falsely accused and put on an ankle monitor thinking he would go for life bc we couldn’t afford a lawyer, drained of all our savings and lost our apartment and car and friends just for the case to be dropped a year later. Not to mention the effect it had on his mental health. 🥲
@@MysticMoth888 Hope things get better for u I know it isn't easy.
@@francoismagne146 thank you ❤️ slowly it will
As an SA victim myself, I hate it when people lie and make up allegations like this. It makes it much harder for real victims, male, female, or otherwise, to come forward.
I really wish people would stop making allegations like these up for clout or to ruin someone's life or career.
His videos single handedly got me through a bad break up I almost died during. Sucks to see him done like this 💔
The fact that Kwite had a bad feeling about Orion almost 5 years ago, did everything he could to distance + protect himself- and this STILL happened is heartbreaking.
In my personal opinion as someone who has been abused by a narcissist- Orion’s combination of love bombing, emotional manipulation/abuse (in many forms), and trying to make himself look like the victim while slandering the person he abused is very much covert narcissist behavior. Covert narcissists are wolves in sheep’s clothing, and usually the only people who know are their victims.
They literally did the DARVO tactic. Deny, Attack, Reverse, Victim and Offender.
i thought orion seemed incredibly immature and sort of bratty, reminding me of a lot of people i'd spoken with online when i was younger. but, narcs do have a tendency to seem like petulant children, especially when they don't get their way. it never fails to surprise me how blatant they are about their intentions, blanketing them just enough so as to make sense of it in their head, and so that their victims (who already feel pressured to give them the benefit of the doubt/not say anything to hurt them or set them off) can't pierce the thin veil. while orion allegedly described his parents as abusive, and it's worth mentioning that victims of (narcissistic) abuse are likely to mirror their abusers, it's still worth mentioning that orion definitely seems self-absorbed and to lack empathy. i hope he can see that about himself, so he can get help for it.
Personally for me, as someone who barely managed to get out of a toxic relationship alive, I felt secondary extreme pain hearing Kwite forcefully responding to all of these nonsense, as it made me re-live the most traumatising experience of my life, physically and mentally. I genuinely hope the worst for that creature for stepping so fucking low than even earthworms doesn't want to associate with that person. It's truly disgusting, and horrific that we are breathing the same air as these type of people. I'm sorry, but this gets me way too much on a personal level, and I can't even comprehend how worst it is for Kwite, to OPENLY share his private life that nobody on the internet should know, just to defend himself from being tagged as so many bad things. The damage has been done, and everything will forever be on the internet. I'm absolutely disgusted by this
Sounds more like the D.E.N.N.I.S system
I want to put a disclaimer on your comment. For a long time, I thought I was a narcissist. And, while it’s true that I can display the “lovebombing, victim blaming, etc” pattern, it’s from CPTSD, not narcissistic personality disorder. This was a point of great shame for me for a long time, and the hatred I felt from everyone around me prevented me from getting help, even though I knew something was wrong with me.
Bro got the pedophile flag🗣️💯
False accusations should be punished just as harshly as the crimes they are accusing. False accusations ruin lives.
Especially rape accusations against men, even if it's false they might never be able to live a normal life again.
Defamation, it’s hard to win but I mean with complete proof and obviously this effected his career so it might be worth it
Yup if I’m ever famous I’m taking it to court every single time, I’ll let real life decide the truth and not teenagers on twitter. The irony of the hate mobs screaming for justice when what they really want is blood
@@dogwatersteakhouse9730 In this case it would be pretty easy to win because there are proofs, orion just manipulated the proofs and didnt even provide evidence, but Kwite said that he wont wanna do anything to orion as case he is done with that guy
a lawsuit would probably be too much of a strain on kwite mentally
False rape accuser should get jailed as long as the accused could've gotten.
Honestly.. I can not believe someone would do that to another human being. What do you gain from accusing someone other than getting attention. It is absolutely disgusting to see someone actually think of doing something like that to someone completely innocent.
they gain pride from seeing someone else fall
A sense of vindication. Those types of people are the most petty of the petty, and will pull out all stops just to see someone they feel hurt by or don't like suffer. It makes them feel better about themselves, in a self-righteous "I really showed them, don't fuck with me, ha" sort of way.
Speaking as a petty, stubborn motherfucker myself, that's what I think, anyways. I personally would never step over that line of basic human decency, but I can see people who lack empathy to balance that stubbornness taking shit waaay too far.
the fact that the person who accused kwite responded to his video by forging a medical document 💀💀 what is bro doing
Loser npc type shit
He’s even saying “I’m gonna take a break for awhile” Like bro, We all know what that really means 💀
He literally tried to get out of the situation by pulling out a doctors note
@@Mrspooky904 I don’t get his thinking here, People are obviously not going to believe anything you say now or atleast be more skeptical, Plus he literally faked the doctors note, Which is the final nail in the coffin in this situation
@@daniilfilms exactly dude
I felt awful for him as well. Poor dude did a whole face reveal and I got excited because I hadn't heard anything about any allegations (I'm not on Twitter much) but then it was this super serious video where he highlights some of his biggest insecurities and goes through all the texts etc. His video was so well made and he sounded so sincere and honest and vulnerable.
What makes me SO angry is not only did the accuser lie (or maybe convince himself idk) but now he cast doubt on any other victim of abuse or r*pe or anything like that. It's very frustrating because there are lots of youtubers that are ACTUAL creeps and DO deserve to get taken down for it, but this doesn't seem to be the case here, and it just muddies the water when it comes to real abuse.
The kwite situation des3rve to happen because my content ls better!
Orion definitely didn't convince themselves, they know full well they're lying because they just responded by halfassedly forging medical documents on Twitter
You spoke only facts about that last part. It’s unfair that Kwite had to deal with this when there are other cc who actually do creepy things
@@MSSMEG2005 that better be sarcasm
She *
my ex had similar accusations of me and in result my childhood best friend (we met in 5th grade and the situation occured freshman year of college) believed her because, and i quote, he "always believes the woman." I've healed since but this kind of shit is simply atrotious. Pretending to be a victim to me is in turn spitting in the face of anyone who was/is actually a victim.
Situations like this are horrible. Not only do they damage those who are accused terribly and most likely irreversibly, and it's extremely disrespectful to those who have actually gone through these kinds of situations.
What pisses me off is that whoever started the lie gets off scot-free while Kwite has now to deal with the anxiety and trauma of having had to deal with this crap for who knows how long, maybe for the rest of his life. We all deal with anxiety, fear, depression, etc differently and this was a totally unnecessary attack on a person that has done absolutely nothing to deserve it. I can only hope that whoever did it gets karma's undivided attention for the rest of their life...
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Well, good news is that might not be completely true. Orion (the fake victim) is associated with another big UA-cam channel that openly supported their lies and claimed them to be true, Kwites video took a huge chunk of those channels fans away. So it seems they might actually face some kind of hit.
@@babycakelings not enough.
@@babycakelings honestly, they should spend at least a week in jail just to learn a lesson. Imagine if this situation ended up in a suicide.
@@babycakelings she should be charged for rape
The "guilty until proven innocent" mentality that some people have is absolutely disgusting and it ruins people's careers and lives.
Exactly.
Believing victims is an extremely subjective thing. While you can do it in a more non-toxic rational & approachable way by giving everyone the chance to speak and also be believed & taking all sides into critical consideration and on the other hand you can do what these basement dwellers do by engaging in cyberbullying. It's not "cancelling". It's cyberbullying. An actual crime in many countries.
Eh, it depends. I usually say 'guilty until proven innocent' but I don’t use it as an excuse to bully and harass the accused. I’d just rather believe a possible victim until the potential aggressor has proven that it’s not true. I don’t do anything though, just wait for a response. People that immediately jump to harassment and death threats are disgusting.
Edit: Just wanna make clear that I believe Kwite and am on his side. What Orion did is disgusting and I understand that Kwite is the victim and was the one facing abuse not the other way around. Should’ve mentioned this from the start. What Kwite is going through is incredibly unfair and vile and nobody should have to deal with someone trying to ruin their life and career.
@@mlokgerm - What about things that just can't be proven wrong, tho? What if i lie completely abount an interaction that happened where i was harassed after i hanged out with a friend privately. How can he prove that he didn't do this if nothing obviously physical (like hurting) exists?
You never should have the guilty until proven innocent mindset, because it simply isn't safe for anyone. Not saying you shouldn't believe the potential victim, but completely distorting someone's image just because you heard a (to that point) rumour isn't good to one's mental health, given proportion
@@mlokgerm The first burden of proof is on the victim though. If they can't provide some solid evidence or proof for their claims they should not be taken seriously until further notice. Innocent until proven guilty is the only thing that works. Immediately believing the victim is just not a mentality that works nowadays.
As a person also dealing with false accusations at the moment I feel for him I wish him the best no one ever deserves this pain
Sorry to hear that. Seems quite common these days, how is everything going?
It’s truly kwite a horrible situation
I like that sentence
@@goofy.-yx2gjSame!
In sophomore year of highschool I got accused of sexual assault by my ex girlfriend and it ended up evolving into rape and physical abuse rumors. It was so devastating because not even a single person had my back and everyone who I thought was my friend stabbed me in the back immediately, they didn’t even bother to ask my side of the story. The hardest part was some of those friends I had been friends with since young childhood, and I never thought they’d just switch like that. My house got egged and I got threatened all the time, and I even got in a couple fights. I was kind of popular so the rumors spread to even other schools, and people who I had never even met before would dm me or tell me in person “aren’t you that rapist guy” and everyone just jumped on the hate train. It ruined my high school experience so badly I had to move schools twice and almost self deleted twice. These rumors truly are life altering and sometimes they will straight up ruin your life. I’m so glad to see Kwite getting his justice that I was never lucky enough to get.
"always believe victims" suckers trying to cope rn saying this type of shit will not affect you in any way whatsoever.
sue her ass for defamation
@@sexmansex4776Legitimately sickening. All of it. How could someone knowingly ruin a person’s high school experience at the very fucking least by spreading such serious rumors. I’ve heard about rough breakups but that is just the worst. I truly hope your situation has improved.
I had the same thing man it fucking sucks hope you’re doing better now
@@sleepdeep305 wholesome message but you replied to me instead to the person you were writing to.
i've been watching kwite since 2017, the fact that he might not come back because of this makes it so much worse. he's always been a good guy, no one deserves that.
Yeah, the fact that in the end, it's never going to be the same old channel is so painful. Reminds me of kitty0706. Such a bright career ruined by a single, sudden event.
Reminds me of the whole Slazo situation :\ We get to lose a good creator because of some pos liar
@@zozocecp wasnt kwite involved in that and joined the bandwagon to trash talk slazo
@@Greenranger123yes he was
I’m not sure how long I’ve been watching him either but this whole situation has broken my heart.
I hadn’t heard of these allegations until just this morning when the entire internet came back onto his side and first of all I’m so glad I never heard them in the first place because a) I don’t think I would have believed them and b) if I did it would have broken my heart, kwite is a creator who is dear to me. A parasocial relationship that i value more than the others up there with my one with Charlie because they are both people that I can implicitly tell that I can trust.
The most heartbreaking thing about this situation is even knowing what Kwite looks like at all to me. It’s obviously been such a big deal to him to never show his face and, despite him being FAR more attractive behind the mask than I thought he’d be over my years of viewership, it sucks to know the face of one of my favorite creators in a circumstance that is very much NOT under their terms when they had earned my respect without showing their face in the first place.
What makes it so much worse is that ultimately it was over nothing. That makes what would ordinarily sting burn.
my biggest flex is that i was on his side for the entirety of this whole wave of drama, twitter is so horrible
There's always caffeine addicted chronically online fiends online to accuse someone of something. Be it assault, or whatever new psychological term they just learned.
After the Slazo situation, I started to wait for both sides. And when Kwite came out with his side, he came out with receipts and chat logs from every conversation. Now that Orion has been exposed, I'm waiting on a lawsuit from faking medical forms and placing that doctor's name and the office. Everyone who tried to cancel Kwite owes him a public apology.
This really did remind me of the slazo situation. Same friend group too.
I've seen the almost all of the apologises on twitter, and all I gotta say is that it's utter BS.
They do. But look at the slazo situation. None did they doubled down & most are still on the platform. It's funny that both slazo & kwite were friends with I'malexx. Like zaptie was and imalexx took part in the slazo & zaptie situations and said nothing with kwite
honestly, its like these people learnt NOTHING from the slazo and pyrocynical situation. It's baffling how this keeps happening over and over again
I agree 100%. I found out from a video by a small creator and from what I remember everyone agreed that it’s horrible if true but we should wait for the response
Edit: I went back and looked, people - including myself - were less saying we should wait for the response and more saying like “I don’t believe the accusations I just don’t not believe them”
"no dad i'm sure that wasn't the case, you were probably clapping cheeks out there" i love to believe this is how Charlie speaks to his father in true moist fashion
his father seems to be a very chill man, i woudnt be surprised if that was pretty much the language he actually used.
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Thank you for covering this. I watched Kwite semi-frequently, but when something on my feed came up as ‘kwite controversy’ i got really disappointed and haven’t looked him up again since I thought it would just be best not to interact. I wouldn’t have found out crap otherwise, so thank you for covering this. I hope Kwite will be okay.
It's crucial to take in all accounts of a situation in any argument so that you can recognize when you are wrong and build on each other to get as close to the truth as possible.
As a survivor of SA, things like this upset me because false accusations make it harder for those who actually were assaulted to get justice or to even be believed. Being assaulted is one of the worst things that has ever happened to me. So the fact that someone used that as a form of ruining someone for a personal benefit is disgusting. Whoever falsely accused him should be charged, because false accusations ruin people too.
I completely agree and my heart goes out to you.
^^^^ this persons content is disgusting and needs to be reported
it's a catch 22 because it's important to weed out lying accusers but it seems like people in general become more and more hostile to believing victims when things like this happen, thus making it more difficult than it already was to come forward, and the cycle continues.
Stop making it about you.
Sorry, but typically "false" allegations are the result of either the perpetrator or police pressuring the victim into recanting. So...
Yeah, I literally happened upon a tweet that read WORD FOR WORD, "Why do you need 'evidence'? Why would anyone lie about something like this?" The response to this tweet was overwhelmingly positive. This is scary how easy it is to take advantage of people's sympathy. Once again another blow to the integrity to ACTUAL victims when they speak up.
Seriously, how lonely and miserable do you have to be to become this delusional (and quite frankly, stupid)?
Pathetic is what these twitter users are. Pathetic morons that only feel satisfaction and pleasure from depriving others of it, hell I’m not even convinced that people actually believed the “better to believe a liar than a rapist” mentality.
I genuinely think people used that as an excuse for malicious activity, similar to the entire hogwarts legacy drama. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if that was the case.
I think I saw that too! And that’s usually decent reasoning BUT not on the internet against an influencer😭 there’s literally so much you can get when lying about this on the internet
Alot of people make false accusations all the time. Especially when someone can get fame off it
This is why empathy and shit is dumb. Doubt everyone unless evidence is directly provided.
sounds about twitter
I absolutely love the way Charlie's explains how one should let their opinion influence their actions and waiting to formulate an opinion rather than latching on to whatever comes our way that we grasp onto.
I think you have a really levelheaded take on this. Showing support for a victim while also asking questions of the accused is an underestimatedly difficult course of action.
Also justice for Charlie’s dad, someone take him onto their team, I’m sure he’s great.