Been playing hockey in Germany for 5 years, where even asking for a specific hollow is unusual. Came back to the States to buy skates, and the shop asked about both desired hollow and profile before the first sharpening. I almost cried.
I love when people take their job serious and love their work. I would be asking all these same questions and I'm sure this guy would do this all over again. He is sharing the craft. My man hanz at the shop got me standing right on the ice.....
I hear ya, Only one guy here that ever got my profile right, that was the best two years I ever skated. Had to replace the skates recently and the local shop not only can't get my profile right anymore, but they left a corner on them, I had to get a regrind. They ground one with a different angle than the other, another regrind, then they got one crooked, regrind number 3. Since then, I can now skate without taking myself out, but I'm just not comfortable on them, I try to tell them I want to lean forward more, they look at me like I'm from outer space. I have had it with my local shop, ready to airmail my skates to someone that knows what they are doing.
thats the reason why i love americans and canadian ... when u ask a person in north america with fairly long expirence . they are so passionate that they know every tiny detail about them even the smallest which other people can't see or even thought about that
Glen Sharpley was a Minnesota North Stars first round pick in 1976 and played for the green and gold in the late 70s to early 80s. He played center and was on the team which lost in the 1980 Stanley Cup finals to the New York Islanders. Love ya, Glen - from an old fan!
@@markel4745 I was a young teen and a big fan of the North Stars. After they lost to the Isles, I became a passive fan and still follow them. Proud of my fellow Minnesotans on the team these days!
Jeremy, we love your videos! My son started playing hockey this year in Rapid City, SD. He loves the sport, and has utilized your videos to help him progress in the sport. I have used them to educate myself on the details of the sport like this video! THANKS!! Keep up the great WORK!!
This guy is so awesome. What a knowledgable and personable guy. What a master of his craft! Man I'd love to help me pick new skates and a rounder profiler on the far ends of my blades.
Whenever I buy new skates they feel sooo long, like skis, hard to turn, but very fast and front back stability is great. Then I sharpen three or four times in the month and the rocker is back to my usual profile. Interesting to see how with cross cut profiling, the plane of the skate is at right angles compared to the plane of the grinder.
I was in vapors for a long time which come factory stamped to a 9 foot. When I switched to supremes they were not the same and I thought I was crazy. Had them done to a 9 foot and haven't had any issues since. Great video! Wish I could use that pro shop seems really thorough.
When I first learned about profiling years ago my son (who wore Bauer Supremes at the time) always complained about his back hurting and when he would lose balance he’d often fall backwards. I’m lucky enough to have a guru shop like this nearby and went and discussed if there was anything they could do for him. The guy I dealt with was great. I don’t know if it still applies to Bauer’s current products but 5 years ago the skate guru told me they found Bauer to be the worst brand for blade consistency out of the box. He said they generally all had 9’ radius and they tended to be balanced towards the heel rather than neutral as they’re supposed to be out of the box and that’s what caused the back pain and balance issues my son was experiencing. Long story short they changed the radius to 10’, moved the balance point just past neutral to get him more on his toes. My son loved the change after his first skate, he skated noticeably better and he never had any issues ever again.
I would make a special trip for it, seriously. Especially since I do have something "anatomically wrong" with me and damn, I bet he knows exactly how to compensate.
Really looking forward to your side-by-side PROFILE COMPARISON ! I have not seen any of the 'hockey' channels explain this important performance factor like you are doing. Bravo!
Can't wait to see the next vid. I've ALWAYS been curious about profiling, but have never had the balls to do it, cause I don't want to mess up my stride, or turn, etc. Anyways, still stoked to see what you think with the 4 different profiles.
I only learned this week that 5/8” is my most favorite sharpening ever. I used to always just throw my skates and say I need a sharpening please thank you. Lol now I gotta harass the poor guy about profiling.
i've sharpened thousands of skates at a 'big box' store and we never did any profiling since we didn't have a jig for it. what we learned we learned at the store. I could do some really nice sharpens at whatever hollow depth you wanted.. but if you go in and ask the guy about profile and he doesn't answer as fast as Glenn here, go somewhere else for your profiling.
Thank you for posting these kind of videos. its really fun to watch these and learn new tips and tricks everyday. before this video i did not even know about heat molding or profiling. Ive always just picked the cheap ones that feels good on the leg and get just regular sharpening on them. You deserve more followers for sure best hockey channel for sure. Love your Vids. keep them coming dude!
I love your videos and they help me a lot. Just a few weeks ago I had old horrible skates. Now i got new skates and did everything you went over. I do better in my house league games now.
Hey Coach Jeremy, did you ever do the video where you tested these different profiles? I can't find it but would be interested to know what difference they made
You are lucky to have a shop like this. Most shops I go I am actually surprised the guy doesn’t hurt himself pressing the power button on the machine or doesn’t cut himself just handling the skates.
I'm about to purchase new skates for the first time ever. Always had used gear as a youth and my first and only pair as an adult. Learning a lot from these vids
Maybe you have a more recent vid on profiling but if not, you should do one on combination profiling... quad or triple... those are really relevant to 2018 and are game changers.
Just ordered my DLC blades from Blade Tech Hockey, Quad 1 profile by Prosharp and 3/4 hollow. May go to a shallower hollow in the future. Thanks for all the great videos Jeremy, as it has helped me with my comeback to hockey for the first time in 18 years.
I’m in the process of ordering a set of runners from Bladetech. I’m stuck on what profile I should go with. We’re you happy with your profile choice?What type of skater are you? Thanks in advance.
Isn't the forward and backward lean also called rocking if I'm not mistaken? I always was more partial towards the forward rocking, pretty sure was the only one on the team to have it growing up. Started 1999 didn't get the skate rocking till u10s I think? Changed my whole defensive game for sure and for the better
I've learned a lot about skate sharpening over the years. It's really a science. My daughter knows right away if I don't go to her regular guy with her profile (and it's goalie skstes). Great video.
I remember Glenn and his Langes; had a pair of Lange Goalers myself and they were Tanks. Miss the N*Stars (@1:18) ...Dumbest name in the NHL is the "Wild"
Thanks for all the work you do... was wondering if a 10U player would benefit from profiling or do you think he would be too young to realize the difference. He does know when his skates needs sharpening and he feels the difference between 1/2" and 3/8" edge. He also chatters a little on some of his hockey stops. For now he is playing defense and was thinking of bringing him back to 1/2" from 3/8" to see if that helps him out. We have no idea what is profile is, but going to check on his next sharpening.
This is great, I've been using a dual lie profile 10/13 which makes a huge difference, only thing is now I need to drive the 5hours to get my skates sharpened by this legend :P good info bro
Coming back to this video several years after checking it the first time; we could really use somebody like Glenn in a couple of shops here in Denmark.
my skate sharpener doesn't even ask me what radius i want when getting my sharpen. kind of frustrating after learning about profile/radius for skates lol.
Hold on champ. 38 year veteran of playing hockey here; Highest level played was juniors. Hailing from Minnesota. Profiling isn't for sharpening. Profiling is a one-time thing that is done typically when you first buy your skates. Profiling is the act of giving a radius to the steel. Imagine a circle that is 9 feet round. Now imagine that 9 foot circle is made of steel. Now take that very outer edge of the circle and cut it up into little pieces of steel that make up the hockey steel in your skate. To imagine how this goes together with the hockey skate boot: Imagine your boot is laying flat in the middle of that circle. Now push the skate to the edge of that 9 foot circle. there you go. that's how the boot and the steel fit together. Now imagine that 9 foot circle...was drawn by a 5 year old. Probably not gonna be very round, is it? Well that's the kind of steel everyone today is now skating on. Profiling, as shown in this video, turns that shitty 9 foot radius into a precision-shaped blade. Your skate steel is now going to be an awesome shape...and sharpening won't change the radius. To put it another way....spin a coin on a table. The edge of the coin touching the tabletop is like the radius of your blade touching the ice. Now about sharpening: look at the skate straight at the toe, like the skate is coming at you. The steel is pretty thin. However, the grind wheel that's sharpening your blade is thinner than that. And a sharpening is cutting into the blade to create an edge on the left and right side of the blade. Those are your inside and outside edges. If you noticed in the video, the profiling grind wheel cut perpendicular to the skate. A sharpening grind wheel cuts in-line with the skate.
I can't find the next video where you try the different profiles. It it up yet? I have been reading about combo and quad profiling. I am trying an 8/13, medium forward pitch. Love the 8' and medium forward. The 13', not so much. Next up, 8/11. I also tried 100/50 FBV. Yuck! Back to the old standard, 1/2 ROH. I'm going to try the Sparx 1/2 Fire next. Do you have a video on the different kinds of sharpenings?
Thomas Scott i love the 100/75 fbv. It must suit my sharpen well. I guess its all preference. I also know they can be screwed up easy. My buddy does them for me, he did all the skates at the Vancouver winter olympics for the pros and does a great job with ours
A good video. A few mistakes. At the 3 minute mark Glen is incorrect when stating that the RADIUS (in feet) of profiled steel would make the "same sized circle" (DIAMETER) if placed edge to edge. The "circle" would be DOUBLE in size of the radius that is cut into the steel. For example a 9 foot radius creates an 18 foot DIAMETER circle. A typical goal skate steel has a radius of 28 feet (very flat radius)........that would create a circle with a 56 foot diameter. In profiling steel (runners) for hockey, there are MORE adjustments that can be made by a Skate Tech. The profile.....that was explained. The 'balance point' that was explained.......that mimics the balance of a 'typical' human's foot, leg and torso balance point......when skating. There is also the 'apex'.....or where the Skate Tech can MOVE this 'normal' balance point forward, or rearward in the profiling jig. Then there is the 'pitch', where a Skate Tech can alter the profiling jig for a forward, or rearward 'lean'. Again.....a good video, but there is MORE to profiling than we saw in this video. The steels of Bauer, other skate manufacturers and aftermarket steel like StepSteel are now LASER CUT from plates of steel and come to the customer VERY closely matched. You can stack dozens of steels (of the same type!!!) side by side and they are identical in shape. There is MUCH unnecessary 'profiling' going on out there. I like it when Glen says to "skate on your new steel a few times.....before profiling". He is right on the mark. There is so much incompetence out there. Little knowlege, less experienced persons can RUIN a profile in a couple of heavy handed sharpenings. At my shop the biggest problem I encounter with new customers are 'HIGH SPOTS' along the blade......on each end of the CENTER (working radius) of the steel. Sharpeners PUSH stronger on the toes, CENTER and heels of the steel. A VERY common practice on today's 'table top' machines. Also, uneven edges on many jobs.....as Glen stated.
LS4 Steel that comes with the 1S is stock 10’ radius but like the guy said in the video, they make these in factories and they have no consistency at all so that’s why you should always have them profiled. I have 1S though and Bauer’s Steel is horrible, I broke it in half within a month so I switched to Black Stepsteel and won’t look back. There’s a profile you can get using Prosharp called Quad Zero where basically they can cut 4 separate radius points on your blade. (Back to front 14-12-9-6) it’s hard to find anyone that knows this style though :/
I had no idea about this stuff. Obviously I 'm not in the know - I just play outdoor pond hockey. It's very interesting. So, without knowing the radius - you can have whatever one you want put on , if you have enough blade to go from an 11 on down? Do all sharpener's have templates or just use one? Why not make the pass complete on the blade, so as to not later remove the toe and heel high spots?
You can start on the first pair of skates but it's not a necessity. For newer players a big radius like the 13 will keep more steel on the ice and help a little with balance.
Excellent video. You owe Glenn a few beers. Although you probably send a few customers his way methinks! Shame his shop is up there in Huntsville, wish I had a shop like that in Mississauga.
Wish I could get someone to sharpen my blades like that. I play sled hockey and it’s so hard to find a shop that knows what they are doing with my steel!!
I use the Blademaster with the grinding wheel that swivels. I have never done a crosscut and wanted to know the disk on my machine will be dressed at 1/2 inch. How do I dress the disk for crosscutting?
One downside to playing in the Nashville area is that we have, to my knowledge, 1 or 2 hockey stores and neither provide this service. Well, those stores are more like kiosks.
I never understood how the sharpening wheel was perpendicular to the steel, but they still get "hollowed" out so that the edges of the blade are closer to the ice and the middle of the blade is cut into.
@Coach Jeremy Referring to 5:27 I played hockey 20 years ago myself, for 14 years, I used a rare skate sharpening. And whatever the default profile was on Bauer Supreme 3000's. I recently bought new skates, Bauers, but I can't seem to find my skate sharpening, and profile. I am currently using 5/8ths sharpening, the blade sharpness feels ok, but I think my big issue is I can't find my skate profile from 20 years ago. I even called Bauer asking them what the default profile was on the Bauer 3000 supreme skates were. I never got a response. I have a neutral profile right now, and I still cannot control my balance or get the feel I had when I last played. The only thing I know for sure I cannot use a forward lean. Right now feels like I'm struggling to balance myself like I'm falling foward. Would a reverse lean help me in this regard?
I’ve been playing hockey for over 30 years. We have one guy up here who recommended a profile when I purchased a pair of Bauer XXX. I did mention I needed to turn sharper. He delivered, that was 10 years of the best skating I ever did, I felt so comfortable on those skates, I could cut hard and build up tons of speed in crossovers. I had a knee injury that took me out for a while. When I came back, my skates were getting old, I decided to buy a new pair. I ended up throwing out the old pair, worse mistake of my life. I won’t even get into the horrible miscuts I got, including a concave curve at one point. I never could skate right on those, I have since purchased a set off Vapor 2X pros. They can’t get those right either. I’m getting so frustrated with this local shop I’m ready to quit hockey. Every night I step on the ice these skates feel foreign and I’ve been on them 3 nights a week for over a year now. I’m tripping I’m every crossover, and straight skating also feels uncomfortable. Feels like I need to lean forward more, but I can’t get them to listen to me, they are kinda taking the attitude that maybe I just suck. Going to buy another set of blades and try again, if anyone has any advice that I can give them feel free to chime in, I’m prepared to try anything at this point.
All I can do is wish you luck. I had a pair of CCM 652 Tacks with the Pump and a shop with a former defenseman at the sharpener. Best skating years of my life. Cracked a Tuuk blocking a puck and when I replaced the Tuuks, got new steel. At that point, my regular sharpener had moved on, and I never could get that forward leaning stance I was so comfortable with profiled again. Not sure if my old steel had a different balance point, radius was wrong or a combo of the two. All I know is that I miss my skates of old. Best of luck.
anything comfortable. don't buy based on brand name alone. try on everything. I worked t a hockey shop for 5 years and I've had kids come in after buying a skate (ill use Bauer as an example) and they have some sort of issue. they see Patrick Kane wearing Bauer and they only want Bauer skates because he wears them. they buy expensive skate and come in a few weeks later saying they can't get rid of foot pain. id let them try on another skate (CCM/Easton). they walk around in them without baking them and feel an insane difference in comfort. Take time with trying on skates. if you want something comfortable, the $200 price point would be best. good performance with comfort. Just take your time with trying on everything. I wore bauers for years then switched to the Mako II and unless they crap out on me and I have to get VH/True skates, ill never wear another skate ever again. Hope this helps!
Great video Jeremy, as always. A question, if I may. How often should I sharpen my skates? It seems to me like they're completely dull after about 4 90 minute training sessions. I'm an amateur hockey player, btw, using the Vapor X50 skates.
So new skate blades are just stamped steel, but still he is saying you should start with regular sharpening and try the factory profiling first? Makes sense to start from somewhere before removing lot of steel, but wouldn't that leave the factory defects and irregularities in place? How about level thing. Is that caused by regular blade wear or are there other reasons?
I'd love to do some experimenting like that, but I wear Super Tacks with the Speedblade 4.0 holders, so it'd be a little more challenging than if I had Tuuk holders
Been playing hockey in Germany for 5 years, where even asking for a specific hollow is unusual. Came back to the States to buy skates, and the shop asked about both desired hollow and profile before the first sharpening. I almost cried.
I love when people take their job serious and love their work. I would be asking all these same questions and I'm sure this guy would do this all over again. He is sharing the craft. My man hanz at the shop got me standing right on the ice.....
Man I wish I had this guy at my local shop!
i was thinking the same thing
I hear ya, Only one guy here that ever got my profile right, that was the best two years I ever skated. Had to replace the skates recently and the local shop not only can't get my profile right anymore, but they left a corner on them, I had to get a regrind. They ground one with a different angle than the other, another regrind, then they got one crooked, regrind number 3. Since then, I can now skate without taking myself out, but I'm just not comfortable on them, I try to tell them I want to lean forward more, they look at me like I'm from outer space. I have had it with my local shop, ready to airmail my skates to someone that knows what they are doing.
Wish there was a local shop
I wish I had enough money to buy gear and start playing.........
@@koolcat6893 learn some skills, get a job!
thats the reason why i love americans and canadian ... when u ask a person in north america with fairly long expirence . they are so passionate that they know every tiny detail about them even the smallest which other people can't see or even thought about that
Glen Sharpley was a Minnesota North Stars first round pick in 1976 and played for the green and gold in the late 70s to early 80s. He played center and was on the team which lost in the 1980 Stanley Cup finals to the New York Islanders. Love ya, Glen - from an old fan!
Lmao it’s funny you say he lost to the islanders, I work for them and am trying to learn more on the skates
@@markel4745 I was a young teen and a big fan of the North Stars. After they lost to the Isles, I became a passive fan and still follow them. Proud of my fellow Minnesotans on the team these days!
Man, I wish the guys that sharpened my skates were that knowledgeable lol
Jeremy, we love your videos! My son started playing hockey this year in Rapid City, SD. He loves the sport, and has utilized your videos to help him progress in the sport. I have used them to educate myself on the details of the sport like this video! THANKS!! Keep up the great WORK!!
This guy is so awesome. What a knowledgable and personable guy. What a master of his craft!
Man I'd love to help me pick new skates and a rounder profiler on the far ends of my blades.
Whenever I buy new skates they feel sooo long, like skis, hard to turn, but very fast and front back stability is great. Then I sharpen three or four times in the month and the rocker is back to my usual profile. Interesting to see how with cross cut profiling, the plane of the skate is at right angles compared to the plane of the grinder.
He did an amazing job of explaining all of this.
I was in vapors for a long time which come factory stamped to a 9 foot. When I switched to supremes they were not the same and I thought I was crazy. Had them done to a 9 foot and haven't had any issues since. Great video! Wish I could use that pro shop seems really thorough.
When I first learned about profiling years ago my son (who wore Bauer Supremes at the time) always complained about his back hurting and when he would lose balance he’d often fall backwards. I’m lucky enough to have a guru shop like this nearby and went and discussed if there was anything they could do for him. The guy I dealt with was great. I don’t know if it still applies to Bauer’s current products but 5 years ago the skate guru told me they found Bauer to be the worst brand for blade consistency out of the box. He said they generally all had 9’ radius and they tended to be balanced towards the heel rather than neutral as they’re supposed to be out of the box and that’s what caused the back pain and balance issues my son was experiencing. Long story short they changed the radius to 10’, moved the balance point just past neutral to get him more on his toes. My son loved the change after his first skate, he skated noticeably better and he never had any issues ever again.
Played soccer my whole life, only experience playing hockey is some pond hockey growing up but this is absolutely amazing
now i wanna get my skates sharpened by this legend
caribeach2641 Totally. I'm having skating sharpening envy.
I would make a special trip for it, seriously. Especially since I do have something "anatomically wrong" with me and damn, I bet he knows exactly how to compensate.
Really looking forward to your side-by-side PROFILE COMPARISON ! I have not seen any of the 'hockey' channels explain this important performance factor like you are doing. Bravo!
Yo your vids are easily the best hockey vids ive ever seen they are great and they dont get boring keep it up 😀😀😀
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Love these types of conversations benefiting from wisdom from an older generation passing on knowledge/skills etc.
Can't wait to see the next vid. I've ALWAYS been curious about profiling, but have never had the balls to do it, cause I don't want to mess up my stride, or turn, etc. Anyways, still stoked to see what you think with the 4 different profiles.
I would be in this shop all the time lol
Nice to have someone who knows how to properly profile and sharpen hockey skates.
I only learned this week that 5/8” is my most favorite sharpening ever. I used to always just throw my skates and say I need a sharpening please thank you. Lol now I gotta harass the poor guy about profiling.
I like 5/8 too. It's slower start as it doesn't have as much bite, but it's easier to catch up as it gives you speed as you glide
i've sharpened thousands of skates at a 'big box' store and we never did any profiling since we didn't have a jig for it. what we learned we learned at the store. I could do some really nice sharpens at whatever hollow depth you wanted.. but if you go in and ask the guy about profile and he doesn't answer as fast as Glenn here, go somewhere else for your profiling.
Thank you for posting these kind of videos. its really fun to watch these and learn new tips and tricks everyday. before this video i did not even know about heat molding or profiling. Ive always just picked the cheap ones that feels good on the leg and get just regular sharpening on them. You deserve more followers for sure best hockey channel for sure. Love your Vids. keep them coming dude!
I love your videos and they help me a lot. Just a few weeks ago I had old horrible skates. Now i got new skates and did everything you went over. I do better in my house league games now.
Hey Coach Jeremy, did you ever do the video where you tested these different profiles? I can't find it but would be interested to know what difference they made
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You are lucky to have a shop like this. Most shops I go I am actually surprised the guy doesn’t hurt himself pressing the power button on the machine or doesn’t cut himself just handling the skates.
This guy is amazing!! He is so thorough and explains all this info so well! Awesome video
I'm about to purchase new skates for the first time ever. Always had used gear as a youth and my first and only pair as an adult. Learning a lot from these vids
Maybe you have a more recent vid on profiling but if not, you should do one on combination profiling... quad or triple... those are really relevant to 2018 and are game changers.
So, the continuation of that scene never got published? I'd like to see the sharpening process too.
Hey, that's skate blade profiling. I'm a skate blade and I'm offended.
RyanRants nice.
RyanRants did you just assume my profile?...
datsyuk13a lol
hahahahahaha
RyanRants deD
Jeremy have you tried a Quad radius by Prosharp?
Just ordered my DLC blades from Blade Tech Hockey, Quad 1 profile by Prosharp and 3/4 hollow. May go to a shallower hollow in the future. Thanks for all the great videos Jeremy, as it has helped me with my comeback to hockey for the first time in 18 years.
I’m in the process of ordering a set of runners from Bladetech. I’m stuck on what profile I should go with. We’re you happy with your profile choice?What type of skater are you? Thanks in advance.
9’ Radius is actually 18’ Circle (18’ diameter). @3:05
Isn't the forward and backward lean also called rocking if I'm not mistaken? I always was more partial towards the forward rocking, pretty sure was the only one on the team to have it growing up. Started 1999 didn't get the skate rocking till u10s I think? Changed my whole defensive game for sure and for the better
Ah, some hockey ASMR! Love the skate sharpening sound!
I've learned a lot about skate sharpening over the years. It's really a science. My daughter knows right away if I don't go to her regular guy with her profile (and it's goalie skstes). Great video.
I remember Glenn and his Langes; had a pair of Lange Goalers myself and they were Tanks. Miss the N*Stars (@1:18) ...Dumbest name in the NHL is the "Wild"
we don't have anyone in Oklahoma to profile a skate. looks like I will have to take a trip up north. thanks for the videos
Anyone got a link to the next video? Can't find it myself... TIA
Did the video with the side by side comparison on the ice ever get uploaded? Searched but couldn't find it. Thanks!
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Glen Sharpley! Great player for the Minnesota North Stars. Had the best flow in 70s hockey.
Thanks for all the work you do... was wondering if a 10U player would benefit from profiling or do you think he would be too young to realize the difference. He does know when his skates needs sharpening and he feels the difference between 1/2" and 3/8" edge. He also chatters a little on some of his hockey stops. For now he is playing defense and was thinking of bringing him back to 1/2" from 3/8" to see if that helps him out. We have no idea what is profile is, but going to check on his next sharpening.
Are you going to make a video that's shows which profile is meant for which type of player?
Those Cooper gloves on the wall (1:17) are glorious.
Always learning something new. Thanks!
Have you posted a video for when you tested out different blades with different profiles? Thanks for your videos!
Where is the movie about sharpening ? I saw profiling, baking, but no sharpening...
This is great, I've been using a dual lie profile 10/13 which makes a huge difference, only thing is now I need to drive the 5hours to get my skates sharpened by this legend :P good info bro
How do you fill this profile? Is it batter then single 10 or 9? Is it still manuvreable on the hills?
Coming back to this video several years after checking it the first time; we could really use somebody like Glenn in a couple of shops here in Denmark.
my skate sharpener doesn't even ask me what radius i want when getting my sharpen. kind of frustrating after learning about profile/radius for skates lol.
Hold on champ. 38 year veteran of playing hockey here; Highest level played was juniors. Hailing from Minnesota.
Profiling isn't for sharpening. Profiling is a one-time thing that is done typically when you first buy your skates. Profiling is the act of giving a radius to the steel. Imagine a circle that is 9 feet round. Now imagine that 9 foot circle is made of steel. Now take that very outer edge of the circle and cut it up into little pieces of steel that make up the hockey steel in your skate.
To imagine how this goes together with the hockey skate boot: Imagine your boot is laying flat in the middle of that circle. Now push the skate to the edge of that 9 foot circle. there you go. that's how the boot and the steel fit together.
Now imagine that 9 foot circle...was drawn by a 5 year old. Probably not gonna be very round, is it? Well that's the kind of steel everyone today is now skating on.
Profiling, as shown in this video, turns that shitty 9 foot radius into a precision-shaped blade.
Your skate steel is now going to be an awesome shape...and sharpening won't change the radius.
To put it another way....spin a coin on a table. The edge of the coin touching the tabletop is like the radius of your blade touching the ice.
Now about sharpening: look at the skate straight at the toe, like the skate is coming at you. The steel is pretty thin. However, the grind wheel that's sharpening your blade is thinner than that. And a sharpening is cutting into the blade to create an edge on the left and right side of the blade. Those are your inside and outside edges.
If you noticed in the video, the profiling grind wheel cut perpendicular to the skate.
A sharpening grind wheel cuts in-line with the skate.
I can't find the next video where you try the different profiles. It it up yet?
I have been reading about combo and quad profiling. I am trying an 8/13, medium forward pitch. Love the 8' and medium forward. The 13', not so much. Next up, 8/11.
I also tried 100/50 FBV. Yuck! Back to the old standard, 1/2 ROH. I'm going to try the Sparx 1/2 Fire next. Do you have a video on the different kinds of sharpenings?
Thomas Scott i love the 100/75 fbv. It must suit my sharpen well. I guess its all preference. I also know they can be screwed up easy. My buddy does them for me, he did all the skates at the Vancouver winter olympics for the pros and does a great job with ours
I can’t find the follow up video either
A good video. A few mistakes. At the 3 minute mark Glen is incorrect when stating that the RADIUS (in feet) of profiled steel would make the "same sized circle" (DIAMETER) if placed edge to edge. The "circle" would be DOUBLE in size of the radius that is cut into the steel. For example a 9 foot radius creates an 18 foot DIAMETER circle. A typical goal skate steel has a radius of 28 feet (very flat radius)........that would create a circle with a 56 foot diameter. In profiling steel (runners) for hockey, there are MORE adjustments that can be made by a Skate Tech. The profile.....that was explained. The 'balance point' that was explained.......that mimics the balance of a 'typical' human's foot, leg and torso balance point......when skating. There is also the 'apex'.....or where the Skate Tech can MOVE this 'normal' balance point forward, or rearward in the profiling jig. Then there is the 'pitch', where a Skate Tech can alter the profiling jig for a forward, or rearward 'lean'. Again.....a good video, but there is MORE to profiling than we saw in this video. The steels of Bauer, other skate manufacturers and aftermarket steel like StepSteel are now LASER CUT from plates of steel and come to the customer VERY closely matched. You can stack dozens of steels (of the same type!!!) side by side and they are identical in shape. There is MUCH unnecessary 'profiling' going on out there. I like it when Glen says to "skate on your new steel a few times.....before profiling". He is right on the mark. There is so much incompetence out there. Little knowlege, less experienced persons can RUIN a profile in a couple of heavy handed sharpenings. At my shop the biggest problem I encounter with new customers are 'HIGH SPOTS' along the blade......on each end of the CENTER (working radius) of the steel. Sharpeners PUSH stronger on the toes, CENTER and heels of the steel. A VERY common practice on today's 'table top' machines. Also, uneven edges on many jobs.....as Glen stated.
Did you ever do a follow up video with the different profiles?
Where is the video where you skate the different radius?
anyone find this video yet? haha?!
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When I see videos of "old" hockey games I don't see the players turning or stopping like they do now. Is it the result in better skate technology?
Jeremy wheres the video you said that you would post at the end of this video testing out the 4 radius's side by side?
I don't even have that option where I live lmao and never even knew about this.
LS4 Steel that comes with the 1S is stock 10’ radius but like the guy said in the video, they make these in factories and they have no consistency at all so that’s why you should always have them profiled. I have 1S though and Bauer’s Steel is horrible, I broke it in half within a month so I switched to Black Stepsteel and won’t look back. There’s a profile you can get using Prosharp called Quad Zero where basically they can cut 4 separate radius points on your blade. (Back to front 14-12-9-6) it’s hard to find anyone that knows this style though :/
Check out skate rescue/no icing sports. They have a bunch of options.
Was there a follow up video that tested out the blades?
This is cool ! did you ever make the video where you test the 4 different profiles on ice ?
I just shot it, I'll be uploading it soon
I love this guy Mr. Glenn. He just seems like a take no shit, straight to the point father figure.
I had no idea about this stuff. Obviously I 'm not in the know - I just play outdoor pond hockey. It's very interesting. So, without knowing the radius - you can have whatever one you want put on , if you have enough blade to go from an 11 on down? Do all sharpener's have templates or just use one? Why not make the pass complete on the blade, so as to not later remove the toe and heel high spots?
Did you end up doing a video with the different steels on the ice???
What would be the steps for goalie skates?
Oh man, I wish we had a shop that could profile. Sending out your steel is the only option for us right now.
Have you posted any sessions on profiled blades and have you used quad radius blades ?
Oh This cool info. Now I know why why skate backwards with standard hockey skate profile is a little bit hard.
Never would’ve imagined a cross grind. Nice video.
Could you please do something like this on goal skates and equipment. Please.
Would this be recommended on figure skates?
Would weight be an contributing factor on what blade you should be getting?
Thank you Jeremy! Played college and in the minors and never really understood any of this!
Hey jermey keep up the great videos and at what age should u start profiling your skates
You can start on the first pair of skates but it's not a necessity. For newer players a big radius like the 13 will keep more steel on the ice and help a little with balance.
the art of sharpening.. wish I could get mine done from him..
I never had brand new skates I got new one yesterday love theses videos
Love the vids, but wheres the blade comparison video
Excellent video. You owe Glenn a few beers. Although you probably send a few customers his way methinks! Shame his shop is up there in Huntsville, wish I had a shop like that in Mississauga.
Wish I could get someone to sharpen my blades like that. I play sled hockey and it’s so hard to find a shop that knows what they are doing with my steel!!
i remember getting my skates profiled for a forward lean when i was younger and fell immediately over from the lean hahaha miss playing competitively
I use the Blademaster with the grinding wheel that swivels. I have never done a crosscut and wanted to know the disk on my machine will be dressed at 1/2 inch. How do I dress the disk for crosscutting?
If you took some Bauer supreme one.6 entry level skates to 1988 what would players make of them ???
please do a review of after market steel like step steel and others
Never knew how this was done. What an excellent vid.
What about the hollow? How does that affect skating?
One downside to playing in the Nashville area is that we have, to my knowledge, 1 or 2 hockey stores and neither provide this service. Well, those stores are more like kiosks.
I never understood how the sharpening wheel was perpendicular to the steel, but they still get "hollowed" out so that the edges of the blade are closer to the ice and the middle of the blade is cut into.
The wheel that profiles your steel is not the same as the one that hollows.
Can we get info on sending skates to this guy? Will pay shipping to and from. Plus the cost
This was great video. I think I will be doing this to my skates.
@Coach Jeremy
Referring to 5:27
I played hockey 20 years ago myself, for 14 years, I used a rare skate sharpening. And whatever the default profile was on Bauer Supreme 3000's. I recently bought new skates, Bauers, but I can't seem to find my skate sharpening, and profile. I am currently using 5/8ths sharpening, the blade sharpness feels ok, but I think my big issue is I can't find my skate profile from 20 years ago. I even called Bauer asking them what the default profile was on the Bauer 3000 supreme skates were. I never got a response.
I have a neutral profile right now, and I still cannot control my balance or get the feel I had when I last played. The only thing I know for sure I cannot use a forward lean. Right now feels like I'm struggling to balance myself like I'm falling foward.
Would a reverse lean help me in this regard?
I’ve been playing hockey for over 30 years. We have one guy up here who recommended a profile when I purchased a pair of Bauer XXX. I did mention I needed to turn sharper. He delivered, that was 10 years of the best skating I ever did, I felt so comfortable on those skates, I could cut hard and build up tons of speed in crossovers. I had a knee injury that took me out for a while. When I came back, my skates were getting old, I decided to buy a new pair. I ended up throwing out the old pair, worse mistake of my life. I won’t even get into the horrible miscuts I got, including a concave curve at one point. I never could skate right on those, I have since purchased a set off Vapor 2X pros. They can’t get those right either. I’m getting so frustrated with this local shop I’m ready to quit hockey. Every night I step on the ice these skates feel foreign and I’ve been on them 3 nights a week for over a year now. I’m tripping I’m every crossover, and straight skating also feels uncomfortable. Feels like I need to lean forward more, but I can’t get them to listen to me, they are kinda taking the attitude that maybe I just suck. Going to buy another set of blades and try again, if anyone has any advice that I can give them feel free to chime in, I’m prepared to try anything at this point.
All I can do is wish you luck. I had a pair of CCM 652 Tacks with the Pump and a shop with a former defenseman at the sharpener.
Best skating years of my life.
Cracked a Tuuk blocking a puck and when I replaced the Tuuks, got new steel.
At that point, my regular sharpener had moved on, and I never could get that forward leaning stance I was so comfortable with profiled again.
Not sure if my old steel had a different balance point, radius was wrong or a combo of the two.
All I know is that I miss my skates of old.
Best of luck.
Great video ! Can you post the link to the foolow-up where you test the blades ? Thanks
What would you recommend for a starter.
anything comfortable. don't buy based on brand name alone. try on everything. I worked t a hockey shop for 5 years and I've had kids come in after buying a skate (ill use Bauer as an example) and they have some sort of issue. they see Patrick Kane wearing Bauer and they only want Bauer skates because he wears them. they buy expensive skate and come in a few weeks later saying they can't get rid of foot pain. id let them try on another skate (CCM/Easton). they walk around in them without baking them and feel an insane difference in comfort. Take time with trying on skates. if you want something comfortable, the $200 price point would be best. good performance with comfort. Just take your time with trying on everything. I wore bauers for years then switched to the Mako II and unless they crap out on me and I have to get VH/True skates, ill never wear another skate ever again. Hope this helps!
Where's the video on you trying out the different profiles?
Thanks Jeremy, did you remove the 2nd video, about the foot beds?
no, just link to it is worng, u can find it in video list ;)
Fantastic video! I’d buy my skates and have them maintained by this guy if I lived in their neck of the woods.
Great video Jeremy, as always.
A question, if I may. How often should I sharpen my skates? It seems to me like they're completely dull after about 4 90 minute training sessions. I'm an amateur hockey player, btw, using the Vapor X50 skates.
Renegade Cz As soon as you don't feel comfortabe on your edges, or start falling more than usual it's time for a sharpen!
Does every hockey shop that sharpens skates do this? Also what would be an approximate cost
Amazing stuff! thanks for explaning the details
So new skate blades are just stamped steel, but still he is saying you should start with regular sharpening and try the factory profiling first? Makes sense to start from somewhere before removing lot of steel, but wouldn't that leave the factory defects and irregularities in place? How about level thing. Is that caused by regular blade wear or are there other reasons?
I'd love to do some experimenting like that, but I wear Super Tacks with the Speedblade 4.0 holders, so it'd be a little more challenging than if I had Tuuk holders