I Destroyed Everything & Tripled My Mass Transit in Cities Skylines 2!
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@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines I think there is an underground mode toggle for seeing the metro rails while you were laying out routes
Thank you Biffa! All I was waiting was a sale on the game!
Biffa, I have been watching your videos since the end of 2019 I think. I'm glad you're still making them. I used to play cities skylines and used many of your tips. Sadly I don't have the time anymore. But your videos are entertaining, and I'm glad you're still around. Thanks and keep it up. 👏👏👏
This is a big reason I watch. I am not good at designing my transit and always learn a lot from your discussions.
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Try to list all the different mode of transports and vehicle changes you have to use to get from the airport to Tealand.
Then decide if that is actually a well designed transit system ;)
So far Im counting :
- train
- metro
- metro
- metro
- bus
You seriously have to change between THREE metro lines just to get from the airport to the second city. Plus a train and possibly a bus depending on where you destination actually is.
Biffa makes such beautiful cityscapes. I wish he would put a bit more thought into from where to where his citizens want to go.
@@3gunslingers true enough, i put a like on your comment. that doesn't mean there's nothing to learn from him.
@3gunslingers seems pretty realist to me; thinking of the dreadful connections between London and its various airports.
@@jameshg1900 The insanity of trying to get between LAX and LA Union Station (also LAX!!!) cones to mind. I'm sure that Biffa would have gotten a direct connection set up eventually.
I find that bus stations work best when they have a dedicated road leading up to them. Otherwise the buses can cause a traffic jam.
I put my bus station on a main road in the centre of a small area dedicated to high density commercial and office zoning. It was a bit of a mistake. I nicknamed the area "the traffic generator"
I didnt have much space to play with without completely moving it, but I managed to step it back from the road by 4squares and put in a U of 1way road leading in/out of it, that cut the traffic by a good amount but it's still a problem area.
Also don't put a car park too close - they add to the traffic, and theres already a car park within the bus station
I see you've switched to the C:S2 orange + dark grey theme! It's an often overlooked setting, but I think it really helps to reduce the blinding whiteness of everything.
In CS1, I used my trains and metro to create a spiderweb-style network, with busses for local transport between residential/commercial/industry - usually point-to-point.
I do wonder if you export the height map from this. Would be fun to say import the map into a driving game and drive around it.
You might want to add some elevated pedestrian paths where the metro station and bus hubs are on opposite sides of the road (where space allows it) to help unjam some of those roads. Other than that some nice improvements.
In fact if a person takes the bus, then the metro and then another bus, you count them 3 times in the total number of passengers. Previously, citizens did not make so many transshipments.
On the other hand, before the remodeling of public transport, there was already a subway in the city, but it seems that the old capture shows that there were 4 passengers using it alone. I'm sure it wasn't working because of some bug.
Therefore, I am not clear to what extent the improvement of public transport
(from 43,000 to 123,000 passengers) has been so big.
It has obviously been due to the expansion of coverage,
But I think that having to take the Biffanton Springs loop subway, then a subway that lets you cross the river and then the Tealand Downs loop subway, that's a lot of transfers, which could be solved with longer subway lines running the route seencer
And we are no longer talking about bus users who have to go to the bus station first, then a subway that drops them off at another bus station and take a last bus simply because no bus crosses the river...
Great video again Biffa! I think it would be cool to see some higher density around the new public transport stops and hubs, especially metro and train stations
Nice upgrade. But since the buses stroll around living places i would transform them to electric busses to reduce the noise
I think you could 'finish' the middle loop for the metro on the already existing tracklayout, instead of the 1 shuttle line, for even greater accessibility. great video again 😀
Oh man, having a mod to have an overlay to draw bus lines on would be great :D What a great idea to plan your transport lines, I love it
I was able to create a 100k city with 86% traffic flow because of public transport. Public transport is vital to city health in the game.
The map drawing section was awesome, loved the new idea to the video
Awesome, thank you!
Love your videos. Cant wait for game to be presentable enough so that you would move from small towns to building big cities. Did you test your current PC limit in regards to population cap? If so how big is it atm?
I can run a 1 million city. Slowly but it runs!
@@BiffaPlaysCitiesSkylines curious what are you pc specs
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This game has alot of replayability potential as population cap will rise with hardware over the years. Current map can house many mills in my estimation. Did fun run with no mass transit and 7 lanes one way roads and high density setups. Was surprised to see how well it runs. No mods.
just at the beginning of the video, but I would love to see a bike-highway network :)
Since you have a Biffington Springs on the other side of the highway and water, why not name the new district Spiffington Brings? They could have a whole "other side of the tracks" inter-city rivalry going on 😄
Love it lol :-)
Just don't ever copy Peterborough for your public transport!
Be good if future maps have things like Roman Roads, Bridleways, Public rights of way, Hadrian's Wall, conservation areas, etc to create extra planning problems.
P.s i Think 'Sycamore's Rest' would be a nice name for a park heritage area and a nice little nod to Britain's favourite Tree. (rip Tree).
We all know what I would've done different. Great video, Biffa! Also, not sure if you were fan of the Old Settlers game, Pioneers of Pagonia is made by the old creator of them ;)
🤣 I do!
Great! It'll be interesting if you could show how reducing the amount of vehicles on the lower used routes effects the usage in a future video - it makes sense that a line with 8% usage if you reduce vehicles on that line the usage per vehicle increases, but I'm sure there's some wonky skylines magic going on that will give unexpected results
No. You're correct. I use the percentage to lower vehicles. The percentage then climbs. So you know which one maybe has too many vehicles.
Great video as always, But i see you have CO trams and busses? how did you get them?
I would add more footpaths for people to walk on near the metros
What’s the point of the bus route between the Bus-Hub and the College in Tealand Downs when there’s already a Metro line between those two destinations? Also, there’s no bus line from the Metro stop closest to the Tech University to the Tech University itself.
OK, forget about that second comment…you added it with that yellow line.
Does anyone know what the current soft population limit is? (the amount of people you can have in your city before you start to get crashes regularly) on my current system/settings (3060ti) it seems to be about 200k? (yes, I have about 12 mods installed, but I have turned them off individually to see if any of them are causing it, seems ok)
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really annoys me that he unlocks underground parking and never uses them.......
I have. Really annoys me when people are unobservant 🤪
have you considered weaning off the AI thumbnails? i love your content but i just cant support the use of generative ai :(
Add ferry ⛴️ 🚢 bublic transportation
To see the metro lines, go to the metro menu, click on the rails and go -20 mts. You can see all the tunnels, stations, and it allows you to do lots of things without exiting the view.
1) The Uni needs a bus stop by that turnaround
2) Maybe send a bus line between bus hubs?
3) Definitely the least-wonky public transit setup yet. Nice, Biffa! Thanks for sharing!
I think you should run a rapid bus line from town to town with a dedicated bus lane with pickup and dropoff points solely at the bus hubs.
It's so nice to have a new Biffa's video on Sunday morning. And great video as always, greetings from Brazil.
Thankyou 👍 😁
Outro brasileiro! Eu não acreditava nisso de que era fácil achar. kkkk
@@funtimedavinão tão dificil
I think you should have some more inter bus connectivity. At least in my city busses share more often some stops so people can change busses more easily. I think you should try that. Or have the ends of the bus routes meet at some places.
Also I’m not sure if you did, but you should connect more bus routes with your tram, which maps around the city. So they can also easier go into all directions :)😊
But still I loved this video ❤
I love the way making routes in transit changed from CS1 to CS2; you can place stops at key points and high ped areas, and then draw routes after. And, if you decide the city grew too much and needs a refresh, you don't have to delete all the stops, so you can redraw with keeping essential stops in place. Don't need to remember where you had your old stops at. Works so good for my silly brain.
In my currently favorite traffic simulation game, Simutrans, I mostly play with a pure Hub&Spoke setup, where each line has only two stations, terminals at either side. It helps as Simutrans has an option to have a vehicle run only if it reaches certain loading levels. For goods, I am setting it to 100 percent load at the source, for passengers, it's 50 percent, as passenger travel is usually bidirectional. I was experimenting with a similar setup in City Skylines 1, but it does not work as well.
I think loops are almost always the best for trams and for metro sometimes may be loops sometimes point to point and very rarely hub & spoke. I think that because with loops you make bigger connection in small areas and point to point in metro, so that you can take that metro five stations before and doesn't take 25 minutes to do the entire loop back.
I would probably have added bus lines between all the bus station: either point to point or a line that loops through all of them.
edit: it didn't look like you added any external bus connections to any of the stations
I'm using trains for that at the mo 👍
Great stuff! Looking forward to seeing you develop the areas around some of your hubs and pushing your transport to the max!
Thankyou 👍
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Hey, don't forget that there are also upgrades to almost every building in CS2. They really help out! Additionally, when you are working underground, there is almost always a button to enable the underground view. Helps out when building and fine tuning things.😁
Did city hall get upgraded?
@@neiljopling4693 Yeah, there are currently 2 upgrades, a city court and city planning offices.
I would install pedestrian overpasses by the hubs. Otherwise you get traffic jams there. And I like the idea to have some pedestrian highways (and hopefully later bikes as well) 👍🏻
Good point!
I think you can do underground mode on the metro stop placement.
0:44 Loops?! Hub and spoke is so much better!
dude please quit with the AI art. Supporting thievery in an already underpaid industry. Shame
Great video as always ❤ thank you
Have to confess real life hub and spoke bus routes is why i learnt to drive.
My commute to work is only 4miles, when getting the bus, on winter days, i would have to get 3 different buses and it took 1.5hrs.
Glad the citizens of Kettlebridge have a much better integrated transport system
I always enjoy a Biffa transport episode!
A point to point is basically a 1 dimensional loop anyway😉
Don't forget the Transportation tab allows you to unview parts of the map view such as roads and bus lines etc.
I don't get, why so many people think loops were the best way to set up public transit. (Americans? No offense, but the US are not known for great public transit lol)
Loops can be good around city centers (example: Ringbahn Berlin) or to connect small suburbs to a hub.
The problem I have with them is they often don't bring you where you want to go. Even if there is a line the other way round.
Besides that they are not very realistic for trams and metros. Maybe somewhere in the world they exist, i don't know. But it would be considerabely more expensive to construct a metro loop than a direct line.
I think your public transport network should always be adapted to the geography of your town or city. How are the zones layed out? Where do people want to go? Where are points of interest?
To sum it up: Loops can be great if they make sense. That means: always in both directions (people want to go one way and back without a gigantic detour!) and if they are linked with cross connections.
My personal favorite is the spiderweb though. It gives many connections and you don't have to go through the city center if you don't need to. Just take the direct line or change at a little hub outside city center. But to be fair, this is more for larger cities.
I love this Kettlebridge videos!🤩🤩
I'm so glad!
30:04 You only need 3 bus lines if you combine them:
> Dark green + Yellow
> Blue + Purple
> Light Green
32:45:
> Green should be deleted because it mostly shares the road with Pink and Purple, as well as going the same route as the Metros
> Yellow should be expanded to start in the top left and follow the bottom to the Bus Hub in the bottom right
> Pink should be expanded to meet with either the Purple or Yellow line (at Tech Uni), otherwise good
> Blue and Purple is good as is
Loops aren't actually good as a base. Idk why people like them. You need one or two orbital lined tops
Yeah, i feel the same. Loops are *sometimes* the right answer - e.g. if the city has a very clear central section to build a ring around - but I usually find it's better to look for the places where density has sprawled along a major road, and to run lines through that density to connect to other areas of density. Building underground metro lines out into the low-density suburbs doesn't make much sense to me...
Thinking about the public transport in my metropolitan area in Germany (two major cities right next to each other), we have hub and spoke for busses, often with loops at the end of their routes. The trams are technically point to point, but the way they cross through both cities almost forms a loop. I guess it's more like a half circle and at certain hubs you can cross over. But there's also a tram loop that connects my neighbouring big city centre and main train station with the next big city over (that one is a 20 minute train ride away) and then loops to a smaller town that has a lot of shopping centres and stuff and then loops back to the neighbouring city.
The busses only really cross over into the other cities on the night routes, when they take on some of the tram routes.
There's also busses that connect from the hubs to outlying towns via motorway, A-roads or county level roads.
And then obviously there's the train lines. The neighbouring city is a hub for the long-distance bullet trains and we also have a lot of regional trains going not only between the big city hubs, but also connecting to more mid-sized towns along the railway lines.
I work in the neighbouring city and went to uni in the city one over (the one that is part of that tram loop) and I think that is working quite well for us.
The car traffic between all these 3 major cities is so bad during rush hour, the few times I went to uni by car when someone took me along it took at least double the time it would have taken on public transport.
The uni city is a tourist magnet so the locals actually prefer riding their bicycles, because public transport is often filled with tourists, but the trams and busses are also set up as a sort of hub and spoke or point to point system with that one connecting loop and the train station is also a stop for some of the long-range bullet trains, so it really is quite a convenient set up and I think a mix of these different types of transport systems is probably the best.
Personally with the buses I have the station itself closer to the main city to use as a hub & everyone can catch a route to there & then to somewhere else.
But I did notice an issue I was having was the people. They can cause quite an issue with traffic for the buses getting in & out so I positioned it so that the people would walk out, then back behind the building to get to the city so that the buses going in at the front didn't have to deal with people walking around everywhere.
Even with the mod to give crossings pedestrian times to cross, just can't do that for the actual entrances to buses have to try get through the people walking across but if where they walk is behind them they don't tend to cross in front of the entrance but just go out the sides then back behind the building.
Hey Biffa! You should use the invisible pedestrian paths in your custom plaza areas to have the npcs to actually use those areas, just like the invisible roads for parking in dev mode
Heya Biffa! Has anyone ever said "I love you for releasing videos on Sundays" to you? :)
They have now ☺️
I normally use Hub & Spoke for my metro system, then Point-to-point with my trains and then a mix of Point-to-point or loops for my busses and trams.
There's something so satisfying watching hundreds of people going in and out of the subway stations. Nice work!
I could not stop laughing at the fact that the Biffington Tealand “Express” meandered aimlessly through residential and industrial areas for 27 km and 24 stops
Is everything free? If not it could still increase
I don't think it is all free! I'll fix that asap 👍😁
It would be awesome if we can see some real life inspiration like landmarks or bus stations!!
Gotta love a new biffa vid on sunday night, much love from Australia
So much fun seeing comments from around the Globe on The Biffa's posts. Greetings from, literally, the opposite side of the Earth.
Does anybody know what map is it?:)
the hong kong MTR (mass transit (metro) railway) is a great example of an extremely functional and efficient metro system - it uses predominantly point-to-point with a couple super-hubs at admiralty for instance
Ik jum-py game is annoying, but at least to me it's kind of amusing as well (at least with how you acknowledge it SuperVinlin ) I guess some things can't be escaped no matter what game we play ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Grand Bridge. You need an area called Grand Bridge. People visit San Francisco for the Golden Gate Bridge. Ironbridge in the UK is named after its bridge. Big up the bridge, even if it's just naming an area after it.
Going by CPP's vids there's mods where you can modify how things are displayed that will help you out a lot, cause you are right and it's a bit of a mess when looking up transport etc. May help you out? Also, living in a city with a crap transport system and that would benefit masively from a good subway system I am happy to see the transport overhall. Looking good.
I think most of your struggles with Subway lines are that you're not swapping to 'underground' camera mode while trying to find & manage the lines?
There's a button for above/below ground view in the bottom right while makes adding & dealing with the subway lines much easier to see
Ohh lovely a new Kettlebridge! 36:00 This is the only connection path that did not make a crossing over the busline. Not sure if sims will cross anyway, but I thought it might be worth mentioning; just in case.
Much love from the Netherlands!
Transit should have a suitability measurement, like RICO. Streets where there is transit demand should be green, where demand is low or even negative (resisted, NIMBY) should be red. If you build stations there, they will behave (at least initially) accordingly. As time goes by, the transit demand might change - providing transit at some point should usually suppress the demand for more transit! There's such a thing as "sufficiently served" or even "overserved" areas.
QOL change that needs to be a thing when setting up transport stops. Left click to place, Right click to Remove.
Another would be, when we drag a line to the edge of the road, a popup to select what kind of stop to place would be amazing.
Having to bulldoze separately and/or place stops while making lines is such a clunky PITA.
Another QOL improvement I'd love is when opening a line view from the overview, closing that window should take you back, or it should open OVER the overview window so when you close it you can quickly view another line. And am I missing something, is there no way to see where people are going like in CS1 where it would show the route of everyone using that bit of road? How can I find out where bus routes are needed?
The delay usually happens after 60k population. I have played with both vanilla and mods even with the lowest setting and the best optimization, still the same. currently using 3090 TI, Ryzen 9 with 128gb ram
I suck at designing cities, so most of mine are just simple grids. For example in a district which have 11x11 roads I setup my bus transport with stations on either side of the district and then I run lines East to West along the odd numbered roads, e.g. If there are 11 roads I have 6 lines. Then I two loops North to South running on roads 2 & 4 and 8 & 10. Bus stops every second block. This keeps the area running quite smoothly when I have residential, commercial, and offices together close by. For any transport from one district to another, or to get to the other side of the district quickly, I run metros and have them popup next to the stations.
Loved the video, this was an amazing improvement towards the transportation, but I think you might need to look into the train network, you have 1 line coming down from the airport, it could run more and split them out towards the other stations.
Ideally, changing mass transit infrastructure would be expensive, as it is in real life. Metro especially is a high-cost thing, tunnels are expensive. Tram tracks cost less than metro, but more than busses. With each increase in cost comes increase capacity and efficiency in moving people. It's a tradeoff that depends upon cost but as you've said elsewhere, money doesn't matter.
Lines should cost more to operate, per distance travelled. The yards, if far distant from the routes, should create a cost because of the lengthy non-revenue service.
Stations should cost more in upkeep, if they are busier than some threshold. More passengers means more staff, and that should matter. It's more maintenance, more cleaning, more customer service, more staff of every kind.
Heavily used vehicles should need more support than lightly used ones, for the same reasons, but lightly used ones cost at least the minimum to run without offsetting amounts of revenue.
But money doesn't matter.
Bridges of all kinds should be expensive because, well, they really are in real life. Laying a road or a track on the surface is cheaper than elevated or tunneled, and and and but money doesn't matter.
Placing buildings, or spawning them, should cost based on two factors: inherent cost (currently represented by the fixed cost of every type) and location - land value. This is why in real life, metros and so forth are buried underground towards the center of a city but run at grade or elevated further out - the land is cheaper, you can afford to buy the surface land under a right-of-way more cheaply than tunneling or elevating; in the center, you have to tunnel or elevate over existing streets. But money doesn't matter.
Great video as always, thank you for the entertainment!
Glad you enjoyed it! 😁👍
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Yeah, I noticed vehicles don't get assigned until... maybe they have to wait to hire/assign drivers before a vehicle is released. I've also noticed with low population (I have yet to reach 10k population) it takes longer to get drivers/vehicles assigned.
Another thing I have also noticed is drivers (maybe workers in general) seem to be able to quit their jobs. Sometimes after a line has been running for a while, that not enough vehicles warning will come on. I don't think it's a bug though. Between vehicles having to return for maintenance, drivers quitting their jobs, depot stock, and breakdowns, there are many permutations of events that should cause a depot to not be able to release a vehicle at times, even if there are vehicles in the depot.
Great work! But something i have noticed is that there is a lack of pedestrian bridges and tunnels. And this is quite common among CS2 youtubers. Doesnt it work in the game?
With all that traffic, and specially near the stations and hubs it would be a disaster bound to happen irl.
For what it's worth, my opinion is that the metro loop around Biffington Springs would better be replaced by a single line that runs under the main road across the island, and connects to Tealand Downs. The island just doesn't seem big enough to warrant a metro loop in my mind... two or three stops along the main road would be sufficient, using buses to connect them to the surrounding suburbs and to the existing tram loop...
You should connect the two small subway lines into one line from Palmer Springs to Spencer Croft instead of having both dead-end in Biffington Springs.
Always a good night when you see biffa come up I also started a youtube channel focusing on American truck simulator and racing games hope to be as good as you one day
It''s a bit bizarre seeing a metro station right next to agriculture fields but it's not unheard of , especially in some ex soviet countries you have metro stops at very low density or sometimes even almost abandoned looking places
When you look at your transit lines you can see the vehicles on the line and where they are in the loop. Some of them might be to close to each other to actually help the population.
You can change that by holding and dragging the individual vehicles there on the loop. So that they aren’t to close, because if three busses comes within a few minutes and then nothing for 30+ minutes why would I take the service?
Full disclosure, I have nto finished the eposide. At the 11:15 mark or so, when you are putting the train and bus,, it is the perfect opportunity t put a path over the road connecting the Bus station and the Train station. That will help traffic in the area in the future, when it gets super busy, without having to knock down any buildings.
Great episode as always. The yellow line on spencer croft looks a bit odd to me. Can't you connect a bus lane between the tech uni and the other side of the cupplet with a stop in the middle instead of having two small spots out of the cupplet? I would also connect both sides of the city with one bus passing through Frostea forrestry for extra connection. The areas around the new Bus Hub on tealands down and spencer train station could do with some residential I think
One advert I want to see in Kettlebridge is...
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The fact they force you to put a minimum amount of vehicles on any transport line even with zero utilisation is ridiculous...
Let me make my own mistakes Colossal...
why do you need the green bus at tealand down you already have metro in the option. (with the addition of the crossover of purple it it can be useful).
it feels like majority of the traffic problem are caused by pedestrians
Biffa, I would love to see you build a commuter train based city
For example: Mumbai, India
CS1 In saw people run metro north-south and buses east-west with stops close with the thought passengers could get off one, straight to the other and get to destinations.
32:31run two seprate lines that follow each other, the first bit you drawn, that can terminate where you had it then use the darker purple to go further on
Maybe put a metro line next to the railway ik they not compatible with standard trains but just run metro along as a commuter rail it’s a good idea due to trains in CS2 looking like a high speed train and station to big for commuter stations
The yellow bus lines just loops near technical University without any stops, you can remove the looping and add ped path to stop in one way road, which is very near
Oh, and as for anything I would do differently, I would have connected the two metro loops with a third loop system.
Your metro lines are the loops that should connect the ends of the bus routes. This way your passengers are not forced to go through the bus station when they want to drive next door
i am really please to see, that i got the same idea like you had :D!
there iss just 1 think i would add one the buslines, and that is really small and short express route that connects the most buslines in 1 area and does not connect with the bushub.
the idea is that the people do not need to drive to to the bushub to get on another busline, but can take somekind of shortcutline.
Tram = intersecting lines.
Bus = loops with bus station
Subway = hub and spoke
I would've done the damned railyard differently ;) Loving the series keep it going :)
you can create a bus line without merging it into the bus station. so like the university connect you can just have a bus stop across the river but the people will take one bus from the blue line than hop onto the next bus. since they dont have to be connected to the bus hub, it could even unlock more possibilities for ya
I have two lines of alternating loops using train stations, and then from each train station, has a subway which has a loop around each of the towns they are in. Super efficient
i would connect the two express metro lines together to use the metro trains better and make less transfers necessary. i would also connect more train lines together to make them longer, like you did in the video. and the same with some bus lines, to create point to point lines that pass through the hubs.
love the example of real city management
ask a vote from the residence on what they would like to see added
then ignore the results and do something elaborate that costs more