Hey folks, thank you all for your patience on this one. Believe it or not, my Boom Review is out TOMORROW! [s u b s c r i b e] So whilst watching this review, please bear in mind it was written and recorded before the return of Moffat. Happy watching!
the doctor playing the piano was a HUGE missed opportunity to showcase Murray goLD'S AMAZING composing. The chord was supposedly related to the Doctor's past, if he had started playing a medley of the themes of every companion he ever lost, it would have been a moment to remember in Doctor Who history. IT would have been iconic
Now im seriously depressed we never got to see this... Imagining a piano solo that encaptulates Rose's, Martha's, Donna's and Amy's theme alone makes me well up... Murry Gold's Scores season 1 - 5 are so special to me. What a terrible wasted opportunity.
If your body is hold too tight (Which is what is implied was Ruby's case inside the bass), even if your nose can reach a source of air, you won't be able to breath as your lungs are enabled to expand. She was essentially suffocating as she tried to breath, trying to pock her nose out of the bass as her body was compressed inside the instrument, giving her a pretty horrible end if not for the Beatles.
I think the doctor was brushing past explaining the gallifrey genocide because he can't get over it, he'd rather rush through it and carry on to the next thing
yeah but its annoyingly inconsistent that its been established that his previous incarnation therapied through the trauma and his emotionally closed off tendencies. now it feels a lil like toxic positivity when hes all jolly abt gallifrey being gone
I really don't like the Doctor changing his outfit every episode - I feel an essential part of the Doctor, and of his alienness, is that he doesn't care whether he sticks out or not, he is who he is, he's above all of that. He doesn't want to blend in, he's the Doctor.
With the musical at the end, I really did like that the repeated “There’s always a twist in the end” is sang in the same was as the giggle/toymakers laugh! Thought that was a neat detail :)
These Davis and Moffat episodes so far reeked of a need to workshop their scripts, might not have improved with the writers they know, but there was so much room for improvement on what were an functional basis. Davis clearly wanted a musical episode and he could have just done it, dozens of musicians coming together, striving to keep alive originality, willing to die for the few seconds of shrieking their freedom into the void in hopes of passing the flame to the next person willing to bear the weight and consequence, all culminating in McCartney and Lennon playing an expression of the human spark of creativity to seal away the Maestro. Or at least have Ruby's piano playing being noticed by more than just a few people in nearby apartments with one dying inconsequentially and unheard while playing her own piano, what's the point of aping the Beatle's rooftop concert, performed for many dozens of people milling about the street below and rooftops nearby before being silence, only to give us 4-6 people reacting, they had access to a whole dance troupe for the Twist. Either of those scenarios would have left the Earth with the possibility of knowing and having experienced music, instead we have one where the world has been traumatized for several decades to have no access to music theory.
Both RTD and Moffat's episodes have this sort of... Weird ways to resolve the core problem? They too somehow refuse to go deeper into the themes, be it ethical or emotional (Mundy's almost bf dies and they forget about it in like 10 seconds). It's honestly kinda concerning to me, and it reeks of Disney
Such a great review- you've hit on all the points that exasperated and confused me! I have no idea what has happened to the writing, editing or pacing, but it's so rushed and shallow and jarring. We don't get any relationship development, we get shallow side characters, no meaningful quiet moments, loads of suffocating close up shots, constant loud music, a Doctor who just runs away. I don't know who Ruby is supposed to be than a generic bubbly companion.
Yeah, I found it jarring when she said he never ran away or hid, since the only evidence we've seen of this Doctor is Space Babies, where he ran and hid.
How did they do a Beatles episode and have the Beatles come up with the special, irresistible chord that defeats Jinx and then NOT have that chord be the opening chord to Hard Day's Night? How? How do you not hit that mark?
There's no chance Doctor Who has anywhere near enough money to licence a real Beatles song lmao. Remember, Disney is only paying for international marketing and distribution and they are NOT giving any money towards the actual production of the show at all. In terms of producing the actual episodes, Doctor Who is still funded in majority by UK citizen taxes.
I didn't say a song. I said play the chord. They don't own the chord. It's an open F with a G played over it with a bit of added base. That's it. Just that chord.
I've been a fan of Doctor Who for over 40 years and this episode did indeed suck. This current era is not only turning away old fans like myself but it's also turning away potential new fans. I watched it with my 13 year old nephew and he wanted to watch something else after ten minutes and he generally loves science fiction! 😳
I've seen so many people defend this based on 'but it's a kids show for kids!' But... do they even like it? I watched the first two episodes with my 11 year old cousin, and she thought it was incredibly cringe-inducing and I was a little embarrassed to be rightfully judged by her. People seem to have this conception that all tweens/teens are underdeveloped monkeys who roll around laughing at fart jokes. I know I LOVED the darker doctor who episodes as a child, the waters of mars was my absolute fave because of how unnerving it was. I get that every kid is gonna be different, but I think A) people really underestimate the intelligence of kids and think they want to watch brain rot bs and B) really overestimate that modern day children are going to find this show even remotely 'cool' (even within geeky subcultures). Not to mention the fact the show has been going on for 60+ years, so kids are obviously not going to be your only demographic, and they never really were the exclusive target audience.
Ncuti Gatwa is Rwandan. His family brought him to the UK to escape the terrible genocide in their native country. Perhaps Ncuti saw this laugh as a coping mechanism? Only he can answer that
My issue with the pronouns bit in this episode is that it just doesn't come off a remotely natural interaction at all. I couldn't feasibly see anyone looking at Maestro and assuming "he" off the bat, but also, you wouldn't say "who is he?" In this scenario. You'd either say "who's this?" Or given you're talking across this person, you'd say "who are you?" There's absolutely nothing wrong with them pointing out the pronouns and sticking to them, but it felt a little bit too "SEE LOOK WE'RE DOING THE PRONOUNS ARENT WE DOING THE GOOD THING?" And it does stick out like a sore thumb in an otherwise quite interesting and menacing interaction
It feels like RTD is just using this era to display how woke he is and push an LGTBQ agenda, its not necessary to try that hard, it's like he's assuming that everyone who watches dr who is homophobic/transphobic 🙄
the whole pronoun thing: elephant in the room like you said, it suits Jinx’s character far better than Rose purely because it feels like such an easy ‘no you’re wrong’ moment. not only that but having the random unexplained occurrence of this very obviously ‘beyond our understanding of the world’ person be reduced to a tiny very specific correction is quite funny characterisation. it makes what they’re doing seem so mundane and little to them, even though it’s very clearly just left this man gobsmacked and panicked. still, would rather have it not come up at all but…
I'm not sure how true this is, but I'm sure I saw somewhere that this was originally going to be episode 7 with Boom being the second episode (apparently Moffatt thought it wouldn't work as Ruby would never stay with the doctor if that was their second adventure). So that could be why the whole 'you never hide' thing was done. It would have meant they'd have had another 6 on screen adventures before this one. Again, not sure if it's true, but it's been rattling in my head
I'm tempted to see for myself how the show is doing, but based on the reviews I've seen, I don't think I want to. Still, it's refreshing to see a lighter take on the show. Gonna subscribe.
13:00 I said the exact same thing about the holes, then immediately called myself an idiot because yeah no if her whole body's crammed in a Bass her ribs and diaphragm are fuckin crunched
I loved Jinkx performance so much, Ncuti is absolutely killing it as the doctor I'm instantly attached. This season so far perfect by any means but I LOVE when I have fun watching an episode of doctor who. Something I didn't do a single time from 2018-2022
Just jumping in to say: 1: The tritone was never banned by the church, this is a commonly believed myth. Tritones are very important in religious music history and indeed all western music history. Although it's okay to concede it to the writers of this episode as a little tidbit. 2: The idea of there being a "secret chord" is absolutely ridiculous. All possible combinations of notes are accounted for in music theory, particularly in Jazz theory where using obtuse chord extensions is par for the course. 3. The banishing chord is I think a Cadd9 Which is like... It's just a chord. It's a basic chord.
60s-style Doctor would have been a great look for this incarnation of the Doctor - instead of just this episode. I wish the current show runners actually had some vision instead of just making current Who a platform for their self-indulgent, masturbatory identity politicking.
"I can't fight this. Last time I had to give it everything to win. I had to rip my soul in half. I can't do that to myself again..." So... Bi-Generation is now some horrific, traumatic exercise that The Doctor can't bear to ever do again? What? It was 3 episodes ago. When it happened, The Doctors were jubilant. Happy. Skipping and dancing with each other. Which would suggest the concept wasn't initially thought through and now, 3 episodes later, RTD needs it to mean something different and has been forced to already retcon how bi-generation works and what it is to suit this episodes needs and well... that's really just a bit rubbish isn't it?
Yeah, I didn't get that, I always thought Russell wanted the bi-regeneration to be a good thing and now it suddenly turned on its head. I wonder if it will be revealed the negatives of the bi-regeneration later on.
I mean MAYBE if it could be shown things feel hollow like part of him or them is missing after a while it could work, Like adrenaline you break your arm but don't realize kind of thing but then it hits but I don't think anything like that was shown?
I thought back to how happy they were and laughed out loud. He really did make it sound like a life ending thing when we all know his other half is alive and well.
This gave me a weird vibe too. I understand finding Rose's dialogue in the first special cringe, it relies on tired, overdone trans stereotypes/jokes with the whole "did you just assume pronouns" thing, I don't think it was done mockingly but it was far from the representation I would have hoped for. But Maestro having to explain the concept of they/them pronouns to a man in 1925 England is not unrealistic, nor did they do it in a preachy way. I don't understand why he felt the need to bring this up at all.
For me this didnt properly feel like an episode that should have been third in the season. Same with Space Babies tbh - which felt more like generic filler we would have later on, just to build up the amount of episodes. I feel like the main issue here is that there has been so much time since the Giggle, that the whole Toymaker plot point feels disjointed to me. But well. Loved Hera's performance here though, Maestro felt as imposing as Toymaker and as ridiculous. Pretty much the main good pont of this episode, which overall was meh. I rarely like episodes in past - especially the ones in such recent past. And I have no actual care about the Beatles, so this was a whatever storyline. The time travelling contrast of destroyed world was, however the good moment I waited for - it totally felt like when Rose saw Earth being swallowed by the Sun. Which is unfortunate that this is third episode, but oh well (which is weird, because that part I would like to have earlier, but the whole villain plot point for me needed to be later in the season).
As a musician, you'd appreciate knowing that there actually is such a thing as The Devil's Chord. I strongly doubt it would have never been played before the 1920's, but that's not really the point.
I'm a big subscriber to the theory that The Devil's Chord was planned to be later in the series, but was moved forward to coincide with the Eurovision Song Contest - plot holes be damned.
Honestly the transition to the opening theme could’ve been way better; they should’ve had a different arrangement. The transition we get is really weird.
I love theatre but that last song was shocking. Me and my girlfriend both thought it was another intentionally bad song like the ones from earlier in the ep
RTD in the writters room for Devil's Chord: "Do you guys remember that amazing groundbreaking magic music battle scene in Doctor Strange 2 that was totally not laughable, cringe and stupid?" Looks at Murray Gold 😏... "Hold my fucking beer"
Ok, hold on, the fact that Ruby can't breath isn't stupid or a mistake. It's like saying that scene from the first Pirates of Caribbean movie doesn't make sense. Why Elizabeth couldn't breath if she was surrounded by air? Well, the dress was way too tight and that was actually a problem back then. Ruby was stuck inside a cello, that's a bit worse then a dress.
Its comments like this that makes me feel that Harry is slowly becoming cinema sins, like she’s constricted in the double bass. Seems like he just needed a moment to moan. Although I’ve never cringed harder at Harry than “Musicians like myself…”
OK, if you're going to look at the whole thing in such a 'realistic' way, why weren't her bones and body utterly crushed and broken from being squeezed inside the bass? There's no way a human can fit inside that without numerous joints being severed.
@@garethmiguel Ruby herself is making such a big effort to even talk, you can hear it in her voice. The doctor too, is too big for the drum he is trapped in, but still has physical interactions with it. If this ticks you, then the whole franchise should tick you. As they always move on unrealistic stuff with touches of reality. As simple as series 1, how can a human survive when reduced to a flatten skin? They even take care on moisturizing her because of all the functions her body lacks, why would they bother with that but not on how her reduced body shouldn't be able to talk? Or how a womb is more powerful than a body that can recreate anything? Or how such being as a time lord, who can recreate a whole, perfect and healthy body, can be color blind? Are you telling me they can live for millennia, have perfect bodies that just look old while having an athlete's strength and energy, but for some reason they can have errors like color blindness? If the show is doing everything to communicate you something such as a character struggling to speak because of the pressure over their body, the. It's not the show's fault you don't get it. It's ok if that's a new thing to you, if you didn't know how compression on the chest can unable you to breath.
@@garethmiguel because that's Maestro's cello and he wanted to torture them rather then killing them right away. That's the "it's just a show moment" type of thing. Why the villains just didn't shoot the Doctor in Pandorica open? Why 10 didn't do anything to stop the Fear Her girl instead of just leaving the house saying he could help her (if you don't remember the episode, she captured him after that). It's a show that can have Scooby Doo highway scenes and anti war speeches. For this particular case, the reason Ruby couldn't breath is addressed.
going back in time to the present day to see the effects of the episode has happened before in the old doctor whos with tom baker, pretty sure its a referance to that.
Anyone remember the music battle in doctor strange 2? I found that much more engaging and enjoyable.. the music was done better.. the stakes felt better and overal was more memorable for me than the one in this episode.. i know one is a big bidget marvel movie but who has Disney money how and the episide was literally about the essence of music itself come to life and I dont remember a single song apart from the one at the end
While there were undoubtedly some writing contrivances such as Ruby and the Doctor being able to get into the building with no difficulty - or even the fact that there is still a recording studio at all in a world devoid of music - or how Maestro used “Henry Arbinger” before the lost chord was discovered in the first place, or that the Beatles discovered the piano and knew to play the exact right tune and not just walk on past the floating notes in the air, I have to say that I really did enjoy this episode. It comes down to two essential factors for me. The first is the cafeteria scene. The way they talk about music in a world that doesn’t understand its value was so beautifully worded, and so poignant. It was really the first moment I believed Ncuti was the Doctor. The actors playing the Beatles as well were phenomenal in communicating this outward apathy while also showing they knew something was wrong. I would also say the rooftop piano scene added into this as just a beautiful scene that didn’t technically add a little but was still moving and powerful. This episode knows how to hit the right emotional spots. The other is Maestro. This was a genuinely terrifying villain both in terms of its presentation but also because of what it wants. The problem with a lot of godlike characters is that they want to destroy but have no clue why or what they’ll do after but Maestro doesn’t have that. Maestro knows that what it wants is the natural music of the universe, devoid of the expression of anyone else which naturally comes from music, it’s only their music from then on. Monsoon absolutely kills it in this role and makes the episode one of the best DW has had in a long, long time. BUT… while I enjoyed Always A Twist in isolation, it is undeniably a bop, it clashed so, SO hard with the otherwise more serious tone of the episode. Maybe if Maestro wasn’t the only one singing it would have been more fitting but as it stands, it’s painfully out of place, which sucks because it is a good song and that is being overshadowed by how it was mishandled. Was this episode flawed? Yes. It is kind of absurd how much the Beatles were marketed to only be barely in two scenes. But does it make up for that with some stellar sets, music, philosophical concepts and acting? Absolutely. It is a major step up from the episodes before and after it, a great episode imo. 7/10
If matt Smith return to doctor who which companion Will return to doctor who as well?Karen gillian or jenna Coleman just like they did with David tennant/ Katherine tate?
I'm so sad that the villain can outshine the main characters like this... But still this episode was way better than the space babies. I was hoping that the writing would improve over the previous series but it feels like there's just couple people shouting ideas and then they just do whatever... I still didn't watch the third episode I'm just disappointed over and over again.
I’ll be real, this whole era from the beginning, the Doomsday thing to Devils Chord episode is absolute garbage. Boom on the other hand, OMG, one of the best episodes of Doctor Who fullstop. I just hate the execution of this era, and it says a lot about how RTD no longer knows how to produce and write an era, while also highlighting Steven Moffat’s amazing producing and writing skills for individual episodes. A mess overall sadly, because I was very hopeful
Just very lacking. Could’ve been very cool. Maestro wasn’t very developed and her threat didn’t make any sense. The doctor hasn’t got much “doctor aura” Ran away from both of his villains and just gave up here. Also didn’t defeat the villain in this one. Ruby and the doctors relationship is confusing as we are 6 months into their travels and have only seen 2 episodes. Very cringe throughout too. Good idea. Terribly executed
Doctor Who has sucked since Capaldi left, it's pretty much dead... I've been hearing rumours that RTD has been sacked, I hope that these rumours are true! 😮
Yeah I felt his comments on pronouns are very clearly the opinions of a cis person who has had the privilege of never having to worry about pronouns ever. As a trans/non-binary person, it felt very tone deaf to me (ironic lol). As much as Harry complains about the pronouns and trans topics this season, they are achieving the goal of at least forcing cis people to think about and comment on them
i also went diving in the comments to see if anyone else felt like this and yeeaaah not a great moment. I don't think Harry is actively transphobic but it's definitely giving "shut up about it already" energy in a way that's extremely unflattering on a cis dude. Of course having said that it IS cringe and i wish they'd shut up about it too, and i'm operating at, like, peak trans so who knows
I totally understand if this episode isn't for everyone, I didn't like space babies but while watching the Devil's Chord I had a big smile on my face for most of it. It kind of felt like Love and Monsters but actually unironically fun to watch.
FINALLY someone who looks CRITICALLY at the episodes in detail, without hating on it. I agree with pretty much all your observations, very spot on. I guess I just enjoyed the episode a bit more.
@@somegeezer6439 Are you serious? The visuals are more presteen than ever. If you were excited for a cgi dinosaur in Capaldi's era, you should give them credit here. A villain who takes the music? Can YOU come up with something more creative than that? I certainly can't. And it was creepy. I love that they explore the inbetween consequences of the plot by travelling into the future. And it is DARK... I respect, if you just don't care about all of that, if you just saw everything differently than I did. That's cool, most people apparently did. But don't you dare questioning my opinions and their validity either. Ok?
In Wild Blue Yonder there was that thing with spilling salt at the edge of reality potentially letting things like reality-warpers in, so I guess it's at least consistent with new lore that we'd be seeing more of that stuff since that episode
Because when someone makes music, it's takin a piece of them. Maestro wants all of music for themselves, any untouched note feeds in their power and makes them full. The pure sound of nature is the only music they will tolerate so no one else can steal it.
@@zactyl8387 it’s like saying Helios is the god of the sun so he gets rid of the sun?? It doesn’t make any sense. God-like characters in Doctor who are cool as hell but Maestro was loud, annoying and inconsistent lol
@@charlielloyd4099 Maestro had one goal and it was made clear in the episode. Would be like Mictlantecuhtli (Nahua god of one of the twelve after death destinies) not wanting mortals to exist, because he likes to have his jade bones. In the mexica (Aztec) mythology, he did just that, because he wanted bones all for himself. He didn't care if there would be no longer death, he just wanted to keep his collection of bones. Even put traps to end Quetzalcóatl's life and prevent him from escaping. Gods don't need to be good or want their natural phenomenon to keep happening. Maybe Helios could get tired because of humanity using him as a giant battery and he wants to burn in, so he can have it all back and stop the thieves.
I gave this episode the benefit of the doubt with the musical cues but "Theres always a twist at the end" really rubbed me the wrong way, excited for the BOOM review! 0:28 Oh hey its me on the right!
I would have preferred a heartfelt goodbye to The Beatles and Cilla Black where the Doctor and Ruby tell them that their music will be remembered for generations to come or something along those lines. The dance number really didn’t do it for me.
@@Labyethan kind of, but without a trip to the present day. Just the Doctor saying something inspirational and they get back into the studio and start playing or coming up with one of their iconic songs. When Maestro took music from the world, John and Paul seemed really depressed and it would have been powerful seeing their passion for music reignited.
6:21 I remember when watching this episode I thought Ruby's performance would have made for a much better scene if it was Debussy's Reverie - hauntingly beautiful and as the piece builds to a climax there are tritones which would have led very well into Maestro's appearance!
Loved this episode but it was carried by maestro mostly, my rating is 7/10 it was fun but I honestly kinda cringed at the musical number, don't mind it just felt weird about it
I'm not sure if you really got the joke at the beginning with The Doctor and Ruby walking into random music performances. At the beginning, they use their wits a bit, telling a worker that she can have 10 minutes off, and then making a joke about how anyone who works. Will be happy to quit for a few minutes if someone says that they'll fill in. As they keep checking different music performances though to see if music really has gone from the world, their efforts to remain unnoticed dissipate, until they simply waltz right into the room and say "Don't mind us!" I think the joke would have hit better if the Beetles song was actually like... You know, Bad lol
Honestly, as a classical music enjoyer I did enjoy references to Moonlight Sonata, the Reverie, Dance Macabre and my all-time favourite piece Clair de Lune, but besides that and some great CGI in the destroyed future this episode did nothing for me, which is just such a dang shame
I personally love this episode, I love the concept of the episode, I love the villain and thought Jihnx did an excellent job on the character. I also liked the musical number at the end. I enjoyed the fun this episode brought, it solid 8.5 for me. I thought the ending was ok (still don't like how it was only 2 beatles members and not all of them), but I agree that the music battle wasn't too interesting. But you do give very valid points. although I do love all of these sprinkles of plots threads and appreciate that you didn't like it.
Ncuti Gatwa is not the Doctor, and Millie Gibson is not a companion In fact in an alternate universe, Millie Gibson is actually the Doctor, and Gatwa is the Master, but the two don't meet in those incarnations
Maestro was a such a boring villain. Just "I'm bad ! mwah ha ha ha (insert reference to running story)". Plus now we can never do a real good Beatles episode with any more depth than "did you know ? John and Paul were actually friends. wow" or a single Beatles song, or any meaningful presence of the other half of the band.
I will say that when it comes to the nuclear wasteland of London 2024 that the Doctor takes Ruby back to if Maestro isn’t stopped is pulled directly from Classic Doctor Who during Pyramid of Mars when the 4th Doctor showed Sarah Jane Smith what would happen to earth if Suteck the destroyer wasn’t defeated.
My dad and I were tentative about this new season, as he grew up with old Who and I grew up with new, and we are both feeling turned off by these episodes. We haven't had a chance to watch Boom yet so that may change our opinions, but who knows at this point? We both said how it has become so "in-your-face" with all the gender and pronoun stuff (which don't get me wrong, I find it good that it's changing) but the fact that it has to constantly be pointed out just makes it seem like a token rather than something good, like the only character trait for certain characters is the fact that their pronouns are different to what is visually perceived? Like it's taking away from the story by constantly pointing it out, the story should just move on without having to constantly refer back to someone's sexuality, etc.
Or like when The Doctor kept correcting himself whenever he referred to the Space Babies as merely babies, as if they'd be offended for some reason. What nonsense was that? At no point did they introduce themselves as space babies, so why would they care if he failed to call them that? whaa?
1:28, love your reviews and been watching for 5 years but what is that point? How is someone telling their pronouns cringe, that line just gets across the character is non binary in a pretty light hearted way, if I was to say to someone that my pronouns are she/her despite being amab is that cringe? Like I dont know how they could better get that point across
Yeah, not a fan of how he worded that. Sounded straight up out of a right-wing reactionary channel for that specific point, which I'm almost sure isn't meant like that... but yeah. :/ EDIT: Given the way he talks abt Jinkx in the following minutes, I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a clumsy point, I doubt there's anything more to it. But still, bit of an oof.
Why reduce people’s great personalities and accomplishments to “they are a (insert pronoun here)”? It does seem very tokenistic, surely they are more than just a they/them?
Yeah it made it very clear that Harry is coming from an obviously cis viewpoint and has never had to worry about pronouns ever. His comment that declaring pronouns is fine for a villain shows that he has a derogatory opinion toward people who DO share pronouns, which is often because we have to for our identity to be respected or because people are being trans allies. It was, at best, an accidentally transphobic comment and disappointing to hear from a creator with such a large reach
it's extremely interesting to me as a trans woman who's been out for more than a decade that we're coming to a time where i'd say most people are broadly accepting of trans people in a nominal sort of way, but they get weird about it if it ever gets bought up. Like by mentioning pronouns it "reduces their great personalities and accomplishments" but if you don't mention it no one knows, so..... what then? whither, allies?
Ncuti and Millie are excellent together once again. I feel a little cheated that they’ve just skipped 6 months. I loved Jinkx as Maestro and this season's Gods of the Universe mystery box. My complaints come from the writing. It feels like we are getting sped through Doctor Who basics with heavy exposition that also feels a little too unrelated to the question being asked. And the song at the end was kind of cringey.
This episode really annoys me because I came up with a BETTER Beatles episode - the problem being a song designed to drive everyone insane, a subtle idea that doesn't involve a stupid push for a drag villain
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Hey folks, thank you all for your patience on this one.
Believe it or not, my Boom Review is out TOMORROW! [s u b s c r i b e] So whilst watching this review, please bear in mind it was written and recorded before the return of Moffat.
Happy watching!
ALL EPISODES FROM JODIE'S ERA ONWARD ONLY DESERVE NEGATIVE INFINITY OUT OF 10
Does Dr Who Suck? Yes.
the doctor playing the piano was a HUGE missed opportunity to showcase Murray goLD'S AMAZING composing. The chord was supposedly related to the Doctor's past, if he had started playing a medley of the themes of every companion he ever lost, it would have been a moment to remember in Doctor Who history. IT would have been iconic
damn you make me sad
Now im seriously depressed we never got to see this...
Imagining a piano solo that encaptulates Rose's, Martha's, Donna's and Amy's theme alone makes me well up... Murry Gold's Scores season 1 - 5 are so special to me.
What a terrible wasted opportunity.
If your body is hold too tight (Which is what is implied was Ruby's case inside the bass), even if your nose can reach a source of air, you won't be able to breath as your lungs are enabled to expand.
She was essentially suffocating as she tried to breath, trying to pock her nose out of the bass as her body was compressed inside the instrument, giving her a pretty horrible end if not for the Beatles.
I think the doctor was brushing past explaining the gallifrey genocide because he can't get over it, he'd rather rush through it and carry on to the next thing
yeah but its annoyingly inconsistent that its been established that his previous incarnation therapied through the trauma and his emotionally closed off tendencies. now it feels a lil like toxic positivity when hes all jolly abt gallifrey being gone
i feel like the problem with doctor, since jodie and into now, is that they're not 'solving' anything.
Yeah, they're not proactive, just reactive.
Yeah i 100% agree. i miss when it was their job to get involved to help people or think out solutions.
Literally in the last episode he saved the bogeyman
Have we been watching the same series?
@@ScroteydadaYou tell me mate.
I really don't like the Doctor changing his outfit every episode - I feel an essential part of the Doctor, and of his alienness, is that he doesn't care whether he sticks out or not, he is who he is, he's above all of that. He doesn't want to blend in, he's the Doctor.
This episode reminded me of Pyramids Of Mars where the Doctor shows Sarah what will happen to the present if they let Sutekh escape
With the musical at the end, I really did like that the repeated “There’s always a twist in the end” is sang in the same was as the giggle/toymakers laugh! Thought that was a neat detail :)
the musical number at the end was the worst part of the episode.
These Davis and Moffat episodes so far reeked of a need to workshop their scripts, might not have improved with the writers they know, but there was so much room for improvement on what were an functional basis.
Davis clearly wanted a musical episode and he could have just done it, dozens of musicians coming together, striving to keep alive originality, willing to die for the few seconds of shrieking their freedom into the void in hopes of passing the flame to the next person willing to bear the weight and consequence, all culminating in McCartney and Lennon playing an expression of the human spark of creativity to seal away the Maestro. Or at least have Ruby's piano playing being noticed by more than just a few people in nearby apartments with one dying inconsequentially and unheard while playing her own piano, what's the point of aping the Beatle's rooftop concert, performed for many dozens of people milling about the street below and rooftops nearby before being silence, only to give us 4-6 people reacting, they had access to a whole dance troupe for the Twist.
Either of those scenarios would have left the Earth with the possibility of knowing and having experienced music, instead we have one where the world has been traumatized for several decades to have no access to music theory.
Both RTD and Moffat's episodes have this sort of... Weird ways to resolve the core problem? They too somehow refuse to go deeper into the themes, be it ethical or emotional (Mundy's almost bf dies and they forget about it in like 10 seconds). It's honestly kinda concerning to me, and it reeks of Disney
Such a great review- you've hit on all the points that exasperated and confused me! I have no idea what has happened to the writing, editing or pacing, but it's so rushed and shallow and jarring. We don't get any relationship development, we get shallow side characters, no meaningful quiet moments, loads of suffocating close up shots, constant loud music, a Doctor who just runs away. I don't know who Ruby is supposed to be than a generic bubbly companion.
Yeah, I found it jarring when she said he never ran away or hid, since the only evidence we've seen of this Doctor is Space Babies, where he ran and hid.
How did they do a Beatles episode and have the Beatles come up with the special, irresistible chord that defeats Jinx and then NOT have that chord be the opening chord to Hard Day's Night? How? How do you not hit that mark?
was it another song? i just assumed it was like hey jude or something since that has a similar backstory in real life of it coming to paul in a dream
They couldn’t get the rights to any Beatles songs sadly
They can't get rights to a chord?!
There's no chance Doctor Who has anywhere near enough money to licence a real Beatles song lmao. Remember, Disney is only paying for international marketing and distribution and they are NOT giving any money towards the actual production of the show at all. In terms of producing the actual episodes, Doctor Who is still funded in majority by UK citizen taxes.
I didn't say a song. I said play the chord. They don't own the chord. It's an open F with a G played over it with a bit of added base.
That's it. Just that chord.
I would’ve preferred it if they went back to before the maestro had started to take all the music so history wouldn’t start to change.
I've been a fan of Doctor Who for over 40 years and this episode did indeed suck. This current era is not only turning away old fans like myself but it's also turning away potential new fans. I watched it with my 13 year old nephew and he wanted to watch something else after ten minutes and he generally loves science fiction! 😳
At least boom was way better.
@@nillsthefunexpert2571it was maybe 10 percent better.
@@wardjunior1450for real :(
I've seen so many people defend this based on 'but it's a kids show for kids!' But... do they even like it? I watched the first two episodes with my 11 year old cousin, and she thought it was incredibly cringe-inducing and I was a little embarrassed to be rightfully judged by her.
People seem to have this conception that all tweens/teens are underdeveloped monkeys who roll around laughing at fart jokes. I know I LOVED the darker doctor who episodes as a child, the waters of mars was my absolute fave because of how unnerving it was. I get that every kid is gonna be different, but I think A) people really underestimate the intelligence of kids and think they want to watch brain rot bs and B) really overestimate that modern day children are going to find this show even remotely 'cool' (even within geeky subcultures).
Not to mention the fact the show has been going on for 60+ years, so kids are obviously not going to be your only demographic, and they never really were the exclusive target audience.
This isn't science fiction anymore. It's silly fantasy. RTD even said he was going more fantasy.
This episode very much had the “shouting = funny” vibe.
The great fashion icon, Mugatu, called, he will sue BBC for trying to copy his fabulous hair.
Get in line, angry kid was there first
Ncuti Gatwa is Rwandan.
His family brought him to the UK to escape the terrible genocide in their native country.
Perhaps Ncuti saw this laugh as a coping mechanism? Only he can answer that
Maestro would have been a great foe for the 11th doctor to have faced in a Panto styled christmas special
i didn’t read that sonic moment as the Doctor silencing the entire world, just the general area so Maestro couldn’t hear them.
The biggest missed opportunity is in the music battle they didn't just play the Devil went down to Georgia.
The one thing you missed was the fact that sound is a vibration.
My issue with the pronouns bit in this episode is that it just doesn't come off a remotely natural interaction at all. I couldn't feasibly see anyone looking at Maestro and assuming "he" off the bat, but also, you wouldn't say "who is he?" In this scenario. You'd either say "who's this?" Or given you're talking across this person, you'd say "who are you?"
There's absolutely nothing wrong with them pointing out the pronouns and sticking to them, but it felt a little bit too "SEE LOOK WE'RE DOING THE PRONOUNS ARENT WE DOING THE GOOD THING?" And it does stick out like a sore thumb in an otherwise quite interesting and menacing interaction
It feels like RTD is just using this era to display how woke he is and push an LGTBQ agenda, its not necessary to try that hard, it's like he's assuming that everyone who watches dr who is homophobic/transphobic 🙄
Where was George and Ringo? They just seem to up and left.
the whole pronoun thing: elephant in the room
like you said, it suits Jinx’s character far better than Rose purely because it feels like such an easy ‘no you’re wrong’ moment. not only that but having the random unexplained occurrence of this very obviously ‘beyond our understanding of the world’ person be reduced to a tiny very specific correction is quite funny characterisation. it makes what they’re doing seem so mundane and little to them, even though it’s very clearly just left this man gobsmacked and panicked.
still, would rather have it not come up at all but…
I'm not sure how true this is, but I'm sure I saw somewhere that this was originally going to be episode 7 with Boom being the second episode (apparently Moffatt thought it wouldn't work as Ruby would never stay with the doctor if that was their second adventure). So that could be why the whole 'you never hide' thing was done. It would have meant they'd have had another 6 on screen adventures before this one. Again, not sure if it's true, but it's been rattling in my head
I'm tempted to see for myself how the show is doing, but based on the reviews I've seen, I don't think I want to.
Still, it's refreshing to see a lighter take on the show. Gonna subscribe.
I don’t understand the hate for this episode. NGL I didn’t like the musical bit at the end but the episode was brilliant and meastro was so unhinged
13:00 I said the exact same thing about the holes, then immediately called myself an idiot because yeah no if her whole body's crammed in a Bass her ribs and diaphragm are fuckin crunched
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11:27 glad I wasn’t the only one that heard Hariyama. Thanks Harry!
I loved Jinkx performance so much, Ncuti is absolutely killing it as the doctor I'm instantly attached. This season so far perfect by any means but I LOVE when I have fun watching an episode of doctor who. Something I didn't do a single time from 2018-2022
Just jumping in to say:
1: The tritone was never banned by the church, this is a commonly believed myth. Tritones are very important in religious music history and indeed all western music history. Although it's okay to concede it to the writers of this episode as a little tidbit.
2: The idea of there being a "secret chord" is absolutely ridiculous. All possible combinations of notes are accounted for in music theory, particularly in Jazz theory where using obtuse chord extensions is par for the course.
3. The banishing chord is I think a Cadd9 Which is like... It's just a chord. It's a basic chord.
Yeah that was funny to me. A pretty basic major chord to show everything is happy again? Cool.
Who looks at Maestro with makeup and jewelry and thinks he/him? Not knowing the pronouns are they/them makes sense, but assuming male makes zero
When people get smooshed into small space, due to the way their body is - it can make it card to breath
60s-style Doctor would have been a great look for this incarnation of the Doctor - instead of just this episode. I wish the current show runners actually had some vision instead of just making current Who a platform for their self-indulgent, masturbatory identity politicking.
"I can't fight this. Last time I had to give it everything to win. I had to rip my soul in half. I can't do that to myself again..."
So... Bi-Generation is now some horrific, traumatic exercise that The Doctor can't bear to ever do again? What? It was 3 episodes ago. When it happened, The Doctors were jubilant. Happy. Skipping and dancing with each other. Which would suggest the concept wasn't initially thought through and now, 3 episodes later, RTD needs it to mean something different and has been forced to already retcon how bi-generation works and what it is to suit this episodes needs and well... that's really just a bit rubbish isn't it?
Yeah, I didn't get that, I always thought Russell wanted the bi-regeneration to be a good thing and now it suddenly turned on its head. I wonder if it will be revealed the negatives of the bi-regeneration later on.
I mean MAYBE if it could be shown things feel hollow like part of him or them is missing after a while it could work, Like adrenaline you break your arm but don't realize kind of thing but then it hits but I don't think anything like that was shown?
I thought back to how happy they were and laughed out loud. He really did make it sound like a life ending thing when we all know his other half is alive and well.
You're just looking for any excuse to criticize it.
You're like those Trekkies who cry when the dilithium chamber is in the wrong location in engineering in a Star Trek episode
1:35 Harry.... oh Harry
I was really in shock hearing him say that... when did the transphobia start?
@@גוד-צ2וtransphobic and proud 💪
@@craigewen7542 I understand what he ment, just odd wording
This gave me a weird vibe too. I understand finding Rose's dialogue in the first special cringe, it relies on tired, overdone trans stereotypes/jokes with the whole "did you just assume pronouns" thing, I don't think it was done mockingly but it was far from the representation I would have hoped for. But Maestro having to explain the concept of they/them pronouns to a man in 1925 England is not unrealistic, nor did they do it in a preachy way. I don't understand why he felt the need to bring this up at all.
For me this didnt properly feel like an episode that should have been third in the season. Same with Space Babies tbh - which felt more like generic filler we would have later on, just to build up the amount of episodes. I feel like the main issue here is that there has been so much time since the Giggle, that the whole Toymaker plot point feels disjointed to me. But well.
Loved Hera's performance here though, Maestro felt as imposing as Toymaker and as ridiculous. Pretty much the main good pont of this episode, which overall was meh. I rarely like episodes in past - especially the ones in such recent past. And I have no actual care about the Beatles, so this was a whatever storyline. The time travelling contrast of destroyed world was, however the good moment I waited for - it totally felt like when Rose saw Earth being swallowed by the Sun. Which is unfortunate that this is third episode, but oh well (which is weird, because that part I would like to have earlier, but the whole villain plot point for me needed to be later in the season).
That was a VERY generous 5.
13:25 I would say - out of first 5 episodes - most of them lack satisfying ending, after having really good builds up.
As a musician, you'd appreciate knowing that there actually is such a thing as The Devil's Chord. I strongly doubt it would have never been played before the 1920's, but that's not really the point.
I'm a big subscriber to the theory that The Devil's Chord was planned to be later in the series, but was moved forward to coincide with the Eurovision Song Contest - plot holes be damned.
Honestly the transition to the opening theme could’ve been way better; they should’ve had a different arrangement. The transition we get is really weird.
Can we stop the trope of running while holding hands I like watching arms swing frantically while they run for their LIVES!!!
I love theatre but that last song was shocking. Me and my girlfriend both thought it was another intentionally bad song like the ones from earlier in the ep
RTD in the writters room for Devil's Chord:
"Do you guys remember that amazing groundbreaking magic music battle scene in Doctor Strange 2 that was totally not laughable, cringe and stupid?"
Looks at Murray Gold 😏...
"Hold my fucking beer"
It’s episode like these that makes me miss the serious drama series 8 was with Peter capaldi era
Ok, hold on, the fact that Ruby can't breath isn't stupid or a mistake. It's like saying that scene from the first Pirates of Caribbean movie doesn't make sense. Why Elizabeth couldn't breath if she was surrounded by air? Well, the dress was way too tight and that was actually a problem back then. Ruby was stuck inside a cello, that's a bit worse then a dress.
Its comments like this that makes me feel that Harry is slowly becoming cinema sins, like she’s constricted in the double bass. Seems like he just needed a moment to moan. Although I’ve never cringed harder at Harry than “Musicians like myself…”
OK, if you're going to look at the whole thing in such a 'realistic' way, why weren't her bones and body utterly crushed and broken from being squeezed inside the bass? There's no way a human can fit inside that without numerous joints being severed.
@@garethmiguel
Ruby herself is making such a big effort to even talk, you can hear it in her voice.
The doctor too, is too big for the drum he is trapped in, but still has physical interactions with it.
If this ticks you, then the whole franchise should tick you. As they always move on unrealistic stuff with touches of reality.
As simple as series 1, how can a human survive when reduced to a flatten skin? They even take care on moisturizing her because of all the functions her body lacks, why would they bother with that but not on how her reduced body shouldn't be able to talk?
Or how a womb is more powerful than a body that can recreate anything?
Or how such being as a time lord, who can recreate a whole, perfect and healthy body, can be color blind? Are you telling me they can live for millennia, have perfect bodies that just look old while having an athlete's strength and energy, but for some reason they can have errors like color blindness?
If the show is doing everything to communicate you something such as a character struggling to speak because of the pressure over their body, the. It's not the show's fault you don't get it.
It's ok if that's a new thing to you, if you didn't know how compression on the chest can unable you to breath.
@@garethmiguel because that's Maestro's cello and he wanted to torture them rather then killing them right away. That's the "it's just a show moment" type of thing. Why the villains just didn't shoot the Doctor in Pandorica open? Why 10 didn't do anything to stop the Fear Her girl instead of just leaving the house saying he could help her (if you don't remember the episode, she captured him after that). It's a show that can have Scooby Doo highway scenes and anti war speeches. For this particular case, the reason Ruby couldn't breath is addressed.
It's a George Floyd reference, pleb
going back in time to the present day to see the effects of the episode has happened before in the old doctor whos with tom baker, pretty sure its a referance to that.
Anyone remember the music battle in doctor strange 2? I found that much more engaging and enjoyable.. the music was done better.. the stakes felt better and overal was more memorable for me than the one in this episode.. i know one is a big bidget marvel movie but who has Disney money how and the episide was literally about the essence of music itself come to life and I dont remember a single song apart from the one at the end
I almost missed this episode as I was busy outside touching grass...
But yeah, it sucked big time!!!! 2/10
Boom is a better episode! Harry, trust me!
While there were undoubtedly some writing contrivances such as Ruby and the Doctor being able to get into the building with no difficulty - or even the fact that there is still a recording studio at all in a world devoid of music - or how Maestro used “Henry Arbinger” before the lost chord was discovered in the first place, or that the Beatles discovered the piano and knew to play the exact right tune and not just walk on past the floating notes in the air, I have to say that I really did enjoy this episode.
It comes down to two essential factors for me.
The first is the cafeteria scene. The way they talk about music in a world that doesn’t understand its value was so beautifully worded, and so poignant. It was really the first moment I believed Ncuti was the Doctor. The actors playing the Beatles as well were phenomenal in communicating this outward apathy while also showing they knew something was wrong. I would also say the rooftop piano scene added into this as just a beautiful scene that didn’t technically add a little but was still moving and powerful. This episode knows how to hit the right emotional spots.
The other is Maestro. This was a genuinely terrifying villain both in terms of its presentation but also because of what it wants. The problem with a lot of
godlike characters is that they want to destroy but have no clue why or what they’ll do after but Maestro doesn’t have that. Maestro knows that what it wants is the natural music of the universe, devoid of the expression of anyone else which naturally comes from music, it’s only their music from then on. Monsoon absolutely kills it in this role and makes the episode one of the best DW has had in a long, long time.
BUT… while I enjoyed Always A Twist in isolation, it is undeniably a bop, it clashed so, SO hard with the otherwise more serious tone of the episode. Maybe if Maestro wasn’t the only one singing it would have been more fitting but as it stands, it’s painfully out of place, which sucks because it is a good song and that is being overshadowed by how it was mishandled.
Was this episode flawed? Yes. It is kind of absurd how much the Beatles were marketed to only be barely in two scenes. But does it make up for that with some stellar sets, music, philosophical concepts and acting? Absolutely. It is a major step up from the episodes before and after it, a great episode imo.
7/10
Well said. Its pros outweigh its cons for me.
If matt Smith return to doctor who which companion Will return to doctor who as well?Karen gillian or jenna Coleman just like they did with David tennant/ Katherine tate?
Okay but the way Paul holds the bass in the episode made me mad
You nailed it! Easily the best episode I've seen so far this series, but that ain't saying much.
I actually like the music battle, it reminded me of this one scene in Doctor strange in the multiverse of madness.
I'm so sad that the villain can outshine the main characters like this... But still this episode was way better than the space babies. I was hoping that the writing would improve over the previous series but it feels like there's just couple people shouting ideas and then they just do whatever... I still didn't watch the third episode I'm just disappointed over and over again.
the trickster harry, the trickster
I’ll be real, this whole era from the beginning, the Doomsday thing to Devils Chord episode is absolute garbage. Boom on the other hand, OMG, one of the best episodes of Doctor Who fullstop. I just hate the execution of this era, and it says a lot about how RTD no longer knows how to produce and write an era, while also highlighting Steven Moffat’s amazing producing and writing skills for individual episodes. A mess overall sadly, because I was very hopeful
Just very lacking. Could’ve been very cool. Maestro wasn’t very developed and her threat didn’t make any sense. The doctor hasn’t got much “doctor aura” Ran away from both of his villains and just gave up here. Also didn’t defeat the villain in this one. Ruby and the doctors relationship is confusing as we are 6 months into their travels and have only seen 2 episodes. Very cringe throughout too. Good idea. Terribly executed
The energy is highkey fun. My brother and I are loving the new season. Can’t wait to watch the next episode 🙆🏻♀️
Doctor Who has sucked since Capaldi left, it's pretty much dead...
I've been hearing rumours that RTD has been sacked, I hope that these rumours are true! 😮
source: trust me bro
Haven’t heard that at all, and it’s almost certainly no more likely than the ones about Millie Gibson being sacked.
Have you heard that from Christopher Eccleston?
"A person insisting on the usage of pronouce works good for a villain"
Jesus thats the most accidently transphobic sentence Ive ever heard. XD
And no Im not saying Harry is transphobic, Im saying that sentance sounds transphobic on what Im sure is accident lol
you're not alone in thinking that. I sorted by new to see if that line stood out awkwardly for anyone else lol.
@@LuZRepliCant I don't know... he would've hopefully scripted and edited and he still thought that was okay...
Yeah I felt his comments on pronouns are very clearly the opinions of a cis person who has had the privilege of never having to worry about pronouns ever. As a trans/non-binary person, it felt very tone deaf to me (ironic lol). As much as Harry complains about the pronouns and trans topics this season, they are achieving the goal of at least forcing cis people to think about and comment on them
i also went diving in the comments to see if anyone else felt like this and yeeaaah not a great moment. I don't think Harry is actively transphobic but it's definitely giving "shut up about it already" energy in a way that's extremely unflattering on a cis dude. Of course having said that it IS cringe and i wish they'd shut up about it too, and i'm operating at, like, peak trans so who knows
I totally understand if this episode isn't for everyone, I didn't like space babies but while watching the Devil's Chord I had a big smile on my face for most of it. It kind of felt like Love and Monsters but actually unironically fun to watch.
FINALLY someone who looks CRITICALLY at the episodes in detail, without hating on it.
I agree with pretty much all your observations, very spot on. I guess I just enjoyed the episode a bit more.
I can't possibly imagine why, they're weak from a writing and production point of view.
@@somegeezer6439 Are you serious? The visuals are more presteen than ever. If you were excited for a cgi dinosaur in Capaldi's era, you should give them credit here.
A villain who takes the music? Can YOU come up with something more creative than that? I certainly can't. And it was creepy. I love that they explore the inbetween consequences of the plot by travelling into the future. And it is DARK...
I respect, if you just don't care about all of that, if you just saw everything differently than I did. That's cool, most people apparently did. But don't you dare questioning my opinions and their validity either. Ok?
Saw it coming,
everyone crying about The Beatles not looking right,
and they barely featured at all
I don't know why the show keeps insisting on fighting reality warpers, its always a disappointment how they are defeated
In Wild Blue Yonder there was that thing with spilling salt at the edge of reality potentially letting things like reality-warpers in, so I guess it's at least consistent with new lore that we'd be seeing more of that stuff since that episode
Why would a god called Maestro want to get rid of all of the music? Really strange motivation there. Kind of took me out of it.
Because when someone makes music, it's takin a piece of them.
Maestro wants all of music for themselves, any untouched note feeds in their power and makes them full.
The pure sound of nature is the only music they will tolerate so no one else can steal it.
"The sound of nuclear winter, the purest music of them all."
@@zactyl8387 it’s like saying Helios is the god of the sun so he gets rid of the sun?? It doesn’t make any sense. God-like characters in Doctor who are cool as hell but Maestro was loud, annoying and inconsistent lol
@@charlielloyd4099
Maestro had one goal and it was made clear in the episode.
Would be like Mictlantecuhtli (Nahua god of one of the twelve after death destinies) not wanting mortals to exist, because he likes to have his jade bones.
In the mexica (Aztec) mythology, he did just that, because he wanted bones all for himself. He didn't care if there would be no longer death, he just wanted to keep his collection of bones. Even put traps to end Quetzalcóatl's life and prevent him from escaping.
Gods don't need to be good or want their natural phenomenon to keep happening.
Maybe Helios could get tired because of humanity using him as a giant battery and he wants to burn in, so he can have it all back and stop the thieves.
For episode 3, remember the fact that 6 months have gone by off screen. Because it's a problem.
my girlfriend is a viola player and jesus the music battle was not enjoyed
i really like this episode because it introduced me to rubys theme which i’m in love with
A good episode let down spectacularly by a criminal under-usage of the Beatles and a stupid 4th wall breaking musical number
Music battle eh? I think Doctor Strange did it better.
Ncuti's butti is tutti frutti
I gave this episode the benefit of the doubt with the musical cues but "Theres always a twist at the end" really rubbed me the wrong way, excited for the BOOM review!
0:28 Oh hey its me on the right!
That jinx take was pure copium
It’s so embarrassing to watch.
No I enjoyed it. What's funny is you right wingers keep coming back to watch more just so you can pump more negative bs into the atmosphere
@@Old_Tom-u6y so whovians are right wing now. Good good.
yes it did.
I would have preferred a heartfelt goodbye to The Beatles and Cilla Black where the Doctor and Ruby tell them that their music will be remembered for generations to come or something along those lines. The dance number really didn’t do it for me.
Something like Van Goghs ending...?
@@Labyethan kind of, but without a trip to the present day. Just the Doctor saying something inspirational and they get back into the studio and start playing or coming up with one of their iconic songs. When Maestro took music from the world, John and Paul seemed really depressed and it would have been powerful seeing their passion for music reignited.
@voiceovershill7620 well yeah, obviously. Can't strike gold like that twice
Maybe be don’t include Cilla in that though. She doesn’t deserve to stand next to The Beatles receiving praise and encouragement
6:21 I remember when watching this episode I thought Ruby's performance would have made for a much better scene if it was Debussy's Reverie - hauntingly beautiful and as the piece builds to a climax there are tritones which would have led very well into Maestro's appearance!
Loved this episode but it was carried by maestro mostly, my rating is 7/10 it was fun but I honestly kinda cringed at the musical number, don't mind it just felt weird about it
My rating is 0/10. Intersting how different peaple see things.
@@onepunchvegan866 how did you wind up at 0? Did you not like a single thing 😂
@@RobbieMartin745 It was horrible. The doctor is horrible, the companion is totally interchangeable and boring and maestro. Come on. Realy?
Nope it didn't
I'm not sure if you really got the joke at the beginning with The Doctor and Ruby walking into random music performances.
At the beginning, they use their wits a bit, telling a worker that she can have 10 minutes off, and then making a joke about how anyone who works. Will be happy to quit for a few minutes if someone says that they'll fill in. As they keep checking different music performances though to see if music really has gone from the world, their efforts to remain unnoticed dissipate, until they simply waltz right into the room and say "Don't mind us!"
I think the joke would have hit better if the Beetles song was actually like... You know, Bad lol
Honestly, as a classical music enjoyer I did enjoy references to Moonlight Sonata, the Reverie, Dance Macabre and my all-time favourite piece Clair de Lune, but besides that and some great CGI in the destroyed future this episode did nothing for me, which is just such a dang shame
I like The Devil's Chord
I personally love this episode, I love the concept of the episode, I love the villain and thought Jihnx did an excellent job on the character. I also liked the musical number at the end. I enjoyed the fun this episode brought, it solid 8.5 for me. I thought the ending was ok (still don't like how it was only 2 beatles members and not all of them), but I agree that the music battle wasn't too interesting. But you do give very valid points. although I do love all of these sprinkles of plots threads and appreciate that you didn't like it.
I also love the small details, like when maestro paradoxes the tardis the masters notes play from series 3
I agree about the pronouns part! I liked this episode. The Space Babies was HORRIBLE
This was jinx first performance on tv I believe outside of reality tv and honestly perfect imo defo the stand out
Ncuti Gatwa is not the Doctor, and Millie Gibson is not a companion
In fact in an alternate universe, Millie Gibson is actually the Doctor, and Gatwa is the Master, but the two don't meet in those incarnations
Maestro was a such a boring villain. Just "I'm bad ! mwah ha ha ha (insert reference to running story)".
Plus now we can never do a real good Beatles episode with any more depth than "did you know ? John and Paul were actually friends. wow" or a single Beatles song, or any meaningful presence of the other half of the band.
I did actually like this episode
Its probably my favourite so far
I will say that when it comes to the nuclear wasteland of London 2024 that the Doctor takes Ruby back to if Maestro isn’t stopped is pulled directly from Classic Doctor Who during Pyramid of Mars when the 4th Doctor showed Sarah Jane Smith what would happen to earth if Suteck the destroyer wasn’t defeated.
My dad and I were tentative about this new season, as he grew up with old Who and I grew up with new, and we are both feeling turned off by these episodes. We haven't had a chance to watch Boom yet so that may change our opinions, but who knows at this point?
We both said how it has become so "in-your-face" with all the gender and pronoun stuff (which don't get me wrong, I find it good that it's changing) but the fact that it has to constantly be pointed out just makes it seem like a token rather than something good, like the only character trait for certain characters is the fact that their pronouns are different to what is visually perceived? Like it's taking away from the story by constantly pointing it out, the story should just move on without having to constantly refer back to someone's sexuality, etc.
Or like when The Doctor kept correcting himself whenever he referred to the Space Babies as merely babies, as if they'd be offended for some reason. What nonsense was that? At no point did they introduce themselves as space babies, so why would they care if he failed to call them that? whaa?
Exactly glad it's not just me
HARIYAMA
I missed this episode because I was busy outside touching grass and checking my cis male privilege.
Huh?
Maestro I found cringey and annoying rather than threatening
1:28, love your reviews and been watching for 5 years but what is that point? How is someone telling their pronouns cringe, that line just gets across the character is non binary in a pretty light hearted way, if I was to say to someone that my pronouns are she/her despite being amab is that cringe? Like I dont know how they could better get that point across
Yeah, not a fan of how he worded that. Sounded straight up out of a right-wing reactionary channel for that specific point, which I'm almost sure isn't meant like that... but yeah. :/
EDIT: Given the way he talks abt Jinkx in the following minutes, I'm pretty sure it's nothing but a clumsy point, I doubt there's anything more to it. But still, bit of an oof.
Why reduce people’s great personalities and accomplishments to “they are a (insert pronoun here)”? It does seem very tokenistic, surely they are more than just a they/them?
Yeah it made it very clear that Harry is coming from an obviously cis viewpoint and has never had to worry about pronouns ever. His comment that declaring pronouns is fine for a villain shows that he has a derogatory opinion toward people who DO share pronouns, which is often because we have to for our identity to be respected or because people are being trans allies. It was, at best, an accidentally transphobic comment and disappointing to hear from a creator with such a large reach
it's extremely interesting to me as a trans woman who's been out for more than a decade that we're coming to a time where i'd say most people are broadly accepting of trans people in a nominal sort of way, but they get weird about it if it ever gets bought up. Like by mentioning pronouns it "reduces their great personalities and accomplishments" but if you don't mention it no one knows, so..... what then? whither, allies?
@@laurasharkrainbow Incredibly well said.
Ncuti and Millie are excellent together once again. I feel a little cheated that they’ve just skipped 6 months. I loved Jinkx as Maestro and this season's Gods of the Universe mystery box. My complaints come from the writing. It feels like we are getting sped through Doctor Who basics with heavy exposition that also feels a little too unrelated to the question being asked. And the song at the end was kind of cringey.
Much preferred this to Space Babies, but the NEXT episode is the best one of the season so far. Jinx Monsoon was great as Maestro.
This episode really annoys me because I came up with a BETTER Beatles episode - the problem being a song designed to drive everyone insane, a subtle idea that doesn't involve a stupid push for a drag villain
The villain was the best part of the episode, and they literally did the "sound makes everyone insane" in the giggle 3 episodes ago
@@discogypsyfish9577 RTD stole my work, I sue him