**Arthas Complete Story: **ua-cam.com/video/vXpwPZoo09o/v-deo.html** (Lich King Movie)** Shadowlands (2022) Cinematics: ua-cam.com/video/I56ERYPnzWc/v-deo.html Warcraft 3 (2020) Full Movie: ua-cam.com/video/hxdX2d0vZDk/v-deo.html BFA FULL (2020) Movie: ua-cam.com/video/wcVYsE1yzBI/v-deo.html Warlords of Draenor Movie: ua-cam.com/video/ufHHlRD1QrY/v-deo.html Hiya Folks! At least we got a full cinematic ending for the raid, compared to N'zoth's Laser Beam LOTR ending. So that's a plus. Still wish we could've gotten the Jailer's backstory sooner to make us "sympathize" with the Jailer's motives and reasons for his actions. Still think the Helm of Domination should've kept its original design with maybe a golden/light infusion to go with the new Will theme. And we could've at least seen the soul of Arthas interact with Uther & Jaina, sharing a final talk before disappearing forever. That would've been a better bittersweet ending for Arthas. "My Son. The day you were born, the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name. Arthas" **His legacy will forever live on and his name never forgotten as it lives within each of us.**
So when the veil closes I just noticed with something… When the veil was broken it shattered like a marble slab falling with “chunks of sky” floating around BUT when the veil is fixed you can clearly see that the sky chunks are still there just being covered with what appears to be a new piece of sky… So does that mean bits of Azeroths sky is floating around Torghast forever?
based on your comment Blizzard just turned into Arthas after receiving Frostmourne and cull the entire Stratholme while also led the undead to the point he become a lich king. Man where is a mod where Arthas name can be changed into Blizzard in Warcraft 3 anyway?
It's actually kind of heart breaking that they just brushed Arthas aside like this. One of, if not the, most complex and interesting characters blizzard ever brought to life.
@@ssj3theoutsider228 exactly look at illidan, he came back in legion to help your side and got SO much character lore built onto him, but arthas? Just make him a little blue ball that can't talk so fans feel serviced
He wasnt very complex. He had like one scene where he was presented with a tough decision, and after that almost was completely single minded if not downright evil.
@@nicholaspoulos7694 wasn't really one decision, sure he had Strat but in northrend he burned down his men's ships (people can argue whether he was right or wrong) and when he found frostmourne he was urged to turn away but chose to take the blade. He might not be the most complex but he wasn't some simple villian
Arthas Menethil: One of the most iconic and important characters in Warcraft lore...and his final arc is appearing as a small, blue orb and being told to fuck off into obscurity lol
@@heyitsmushu7393 The writers never indicated that in the story that they told. Dont write the script for them after the fact to make their drivel make sense.
It's nice that they turned the helm of domination into the crown of wills. It's like a parallel to what they did to the game. Took something badass and awesome, and turned it into complete bullshit.
If only Blizzard would make the crown look more like a King's crown and I wanted the name of the crown to be Liberation (Opposite of Domination) instead of Wills
And the titans just watching while some dude about to destroy the entire reality...Blizz story telling really went downhill once they began milking world of warcraft.
Don't worry we all know that the real Master of the lich king,and the guy the jailor said that divided cosmos will not survive will return together whit arthas and all of his dead minions. His name is the Dark titan Sargeras who wants do destroy all existence because everyone is evil.
guess its bound to the helm... No helm no scourge... a helm without a wielder means unleased scourge... helm with a wielder means controlled scourge... 'shrugs'
Argh! I think after the pre-patch the scourge was somehow contained, even tho we get a quest for kyrian a where we go to ferry as soul from Azeroth who recently died to a bunch of undead ghouls. After that, there is no mention of the scrounge running rampant on Azeroth, and it looks like the scourge is essentially dead now.
@@Athelarius That's constructive thinking right there, would fit well and probably look good. That means you're too good for Blizzard. (Though the scene and even the entire story in general wouldn't be saved by such a simple improvement to the object.) Maybe join Riot with their upcoming MMO. Pull off a Planetside 2 - style Wrel ascendance. The industry needs all the talent and good ideas they can get right now.
Imagine if it was ARTHAS who showed up to Anduin in the end. Imagine if he was able to use up his soul energy or whatever to bring Anduin back. From one prince to another, saving someone from the same fate that befell him. That would at least make his end here a lot less stupid and pointless. Edit: narratively speaking, it's also a problem for Anduin to get bailed out by Varian here when he already had a moment where his father helped steel his resolve back in Legion. The son being helped once by the father is moving and beautiful, the son leaning on daddy twice in a row is sad incompetence.
I 100% agree with the second sentence(about Anduin) but Arthas is one of the Best written "went mad" villains. And if he went mad, he wouldn't like to helo those who were his oponent's even if they were his comrades in the past. Smof course doing it like they did is wasted potential but imo the Best thing would be make his soul do something like saying a threat in the end. Something like "Maybe you won in Northrend, maybe you will win with Jailor, but I the end I will meet all of you and this won't be a pleasure for you all"
I actually enjoyed BFA, not award winning but I liked it, it was somewhat more down to earth. I think people revise their opinions of certain expansions when time passes, I hated the whole "Warlords of Draenor" expansion to start with, in BFA however that´s probably where I spent the most time.
Glad it helps many keep up with the story. After the last few years, can definitely say Shadowlands has been...interesting. And exhausting. Especially when you consider the four covenant stories and the 9.1 Renown Grinding up to 80. Curious to see where the next expansion leads into.
@@vaiosis I try to play but I can't keep up with the patches. I'm way behind everyone else and this but I love the story, so glad I can enjoy the story while taking my sweet time with the game thanks to people like this streamer :)
@@Icedholly yeah I couldn’t keep up with the patches too and as you get older, there are other priorities that take over. So glad for people like @Athelarius and streamers like you mentioned :))
The Jailer was merely misunderstood. How could you not see that? Sundering reality and making it anew was just a rebound after breaking up with Sylvanas.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. How could Blizzard not have those two say something? Bunch of bullshit. The Blizzard of 20 years ago would never have done it this way
@@johnzackarias11 its weird but an enemy giving you rest seems a lot more impactful in a story like this than a loved one...especially an enemy that you yourself ruined being able to let you rest speaks volumes.
I don't think her giving a monologue by itself is too bad a problem, more that nobody else had anything to say. Arthas caused an insane amount of damage, physically, emotionally, and spiritually to a lot of people and Sylvannas was one of them. But his former lover and old master he struck down have nothing to say? No sorrowful nostalgia of better times? No remaining anger over what he did? No pity for the man that was corrupted by his devotion? No ANYTHING?
Well, as he abandoned them, whey abandoned him. He stopped being a part of Jainas life, and he ended Uters. But for Silvanas - he WAS her life. To the end. She defended her lands from him, died to him, served him, vreak free of him, tried to revenge, when tried to not make same mistakes and in the end - to prevent others from making this mistakes. Basically she vent from trying to get rid of one arthas, to then trying to create a world there never will be born somebody like arthas to then becaming one herself and realising it finally could get rid of arthas - by simply changing her own path. Its poetic really, and despite Sylvanas being one of my most hated characters in the series, despite being full of cliche, and stuff - i think its just right she says this last words. She was him after all. Her very own Arthas to stop was she all along. And despite doing so - it doesnt change the fact that she lived for tens of years by chasing him and his image.
@@mariofan1ish They have already seen him die and have probably moved on. Their concern is for Anduin here, and maybe, just maybe, they've finally had enough of Arthas for one lifetime. Sylvanas is the one who needs closure. Uther and Jaina aren't getting anything out of talking to a scrap of blue mist. And let's not forget: the reason Arthas's soul was torn to pieces was due to Uther's rage and thirst for vengeance. He's likely overwhelmed with guilt and shame. What could he possibly say? Sorry? We're even?
This feels like a saturday morning cartoon written by 4kidz. Including the absurd power level creep, implying there is a Eviler Evil Force behind everything.
@@ryanyoung27 I know right can you imagine, they would be like "You azerothians are consuming to much azerorite and we need a reset so you will own no legendary's and be happy".
I love how Sylvannas straight up tells us to forget about Arthas. No. I don't think I will. I didn't even get to play Wrath and I somehow still miss it.
What pisses me off is that Jaina is RIGHT THERE. The single person who absolutely never gave up and certainly will never forget about her soul mate and literal love of her life.
@@TheSko90 - I totally agree like holy crap! The writing just went hardcore in making everyone totally bitter about this expansion and all the lore leading up to all this... not even bitter-sweet just pure Bitterness!
I quit less than a week into SL. I was super excited for what could have been, but saw it was more awful than I could have imagined. Only came here to see how it ended, and can only say I'm thankful to not have grinded an entire expac for whatever _that_ was.
If anyone thinks 10.0 will somehow magically be better, when the same people who destroyed BFA & Shadowlands are still in charge, then do I have an NFT to sell you...
@@wackywarrior001 if the next expansion is garbage then you can blame Steve. Steves just been trying to salvage this train wreck that whats his name laid out before he got fired.
Activision: "...Arthas Menethil. May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten" Also Activision few months later: "My son, the day you were born the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name Arthas"
It was a really missed opportunity not having Arthas be the one who saved Anduin from the Jailer's grasp. "In my arrogance, my own people were condemned to the flames of servitude and war. I will not stand idly by as the master of that blade attempts to cast the same sentence upon yours." Bonus points if you add in 'An old friend of mine once said that vengeance cannot be a part of what a paladin must do. What is to come is not retribution, Anduin, but justice.'
Remember kids! Arthas mind controlled and enslaved into being the Lich King? UNFORGIVABLE YOUR SOUL DESERVES DESTRUCTION. Sylvanas CHOOSING to commit atrocity after atrocity because "life hard"? Forgivable she was just girl bossing it.
So you're seriously gonna sit there and tell me that Arthas, who we have now established as being controlled by the jailer, dominated by the same magic that dominated Sylvanas, doesn't get a redemption but she does. Sylvanas gets to be the one to sentence his final wisp to extinction while Uther and Jaina stand by without a word? What a joke. She literally says its not easy to break domination. The undead dude says its nearly impossible, and yet she sits there and blames Arthas.
While I am personally annoyed that they put Sylvanas in a position where she was just randomly evil and in need of redemption, and am equally annoyed we saw nearly nothing of either Arthas OR Anduin's father throughout the entire expansion, I can see why they'd give him the wisp treatment and not Sylvanas. The story is that Arthas actively CHOSE to give his soul away, whereas both Sylvanas and Uther both didn't. Their souls were stolen, and broken. Without souls, their actions lacked empathy or conscience- the typical theme when it comes to missing souls. Of course, they also felt anger and hatred, because why not? There is justification in arguing that their actions weren't correctly driven specifically because their souls had been stolen, and that was not their fault. Arthas, on the other hand, made a choice knowing good and well the consequences. He willingly allowed himself to become corrupted before he picked up Frostmourne, and before he took up the Helm of Domination, and it's arguable that his actions leading up to all of that were selfish as well. Bolvar put the crown on to save Azeroth. Arthas did it because he wanted revenge on Mal Ganis. Remember that he had already selfishly purged Stratholme and driven away both Uther and Jaina because he insisted on doing things his way, rather than taking the time to consider consequences or another means of resolving the issue. He kills Mal Ganis, returns home, and immediately kills his father. He didn't even need the helmet to be controlled. He literally asked for it. His soul was corrupted and fractured long before he reached the Shadowlands. What little of it that remained sentient was likely what was speaking to his father when he finally fell on the Frozen Throne. But that's just my take. I don't know what the hell Blizzard is doing, and neither do they. I won't justify how they're running the show, but I am glad they didn't completely screw over Sylvanas.
@@littilwood I appreciate the take, but my point was that this expac essentially retcons that. Its explicitly stated in Warcraft 3 that Arthas is being manipulated to take Frostmourne and we know once he makes the choice to take up the sword his soul is the first claimed. But this expac just says "yeah its the jailer, he controls all the baddies and its all been according to his design, nobody had choice". Theres other things here too that didn't make sense to me too, like wasnt anduins dads soul erased from existence? For me the entire reason I got into WoW was because it continued with Arthas' story. When he finally dies it seems like he's back in control, he says "is it finally over". Theres room there for his redemption and its just feels like they went the Star Wars route of "letting the past die"
@@littilwood im sorry but i totaly have to disagree, specialy with the stratholm part . Imagin in reallife todays time , everyone who gets covid-19 dies and you have no medicine or antivax to help it AND you die in merely a few hours AND its not detectable in the human body. Only thing you know all the food is infested with it or let it be our water . Suddenly you have no other choice than to purge that city and burn it to the ground. Thats what Arthas did to asure the rest of humanity is safe. Its a hard choice to make but its an important and right choice.
She's just a crazy b*tch even when she's not dominated. The writing couldn't be worse and the one that's doing it must be a weirdo no doubt about it. Why does she get a redemption when literally everyone in the game and in the real world hates her, but we don't get one for Arthas who we all love? Arthas, just like Garrosh in essence did nothing wrong. There was just collateral damage that was innevitable and both fought hard for their people.
And once again, they give ALL the spotlight to sylvanas, and nothing to either Uther, his friend and mentor, or Jaina, the love of his life. No, let's give all dialog to sylvanas that basically curses him in an act of hypocrisy so grand it outshines them all. Good work blizzard, you gave everyone's favorite villain and hero the end YOU deserve, to be forgotten and never mentioned again.
To be fair, Arthas' story has been over for a while. I'd rather them tie up any loose ends with his character instead of somehow dragging him back into the narrative and ruining the character's legacy.
Uther probably didn't say anything because he saw what his own actions did to Arthas after he tossed him into The Maw before Arthas could relieve judgment.
@@jasono312 I think a good capstone to Arthas' story would have been him giving the last of his energy to save Anduin from the mournblade. Instead of Varian, Arthas would get a last conversation with the son of his former friend, leave one last bit of advice for things to come, and then fade away as Anduin is freed.
Guys just remember, this is the ending of a story that begun in warcraft 3; arthas got disenchanted, the jailor quit because he got tired to farming anima, sylvanas is still alive and "good"
the problem with 2020 modern writing is that no woman can be bad, if Sylvanas were to pay for all her crimes, all of her famboys would cry and feminists would say that she was punished by the patriarchy
The retcons! Frostmourne was a tool used by Ner'zhul. BUT WAIT, he got it from the Legion, and it was their plan. BUT WAIT, Yogg'Saron was behind Arthas' corruption (somehow). BUT WAIT, the helmet and Frostmourne was a plan from the Jailer *all along*. Blizz needs to just stop. If you give someone like Uther, Arthas or Illidan a proper death, let them stay dead and come up with a new storyline. Don't just keep unburying what has ended, pretending the newest mastermind was behind last time's mastermind.
Arthas - the man, the myth, the legend that probably was the sole reason that many of us actually started and/or continued to play the games Blizzard releases. Without him, there would be no Azeroth. He deserved a far better ending than he got.
I fuckin loved that guy, I don't even played any other blizzard game other than Frozen Throne which remains an absolute classic within the gaming industry.
This is the end for Arthas? The guy who did everything for his people? in the pursue to stop the legions of undead got corrupted by a blade and made to serve like everyone else? Even while he was controlled held the Scourge back from killing Azeroth with the last shreds of his humanity. Finally dies and instead of getting a fair trial and the chance of redeemption (then again what is there to redeem? if you get mind controlled there is not much u can do xD) Regardless he gets tossed in the abyss by his mentor and friend and there he gets tortured to the point were his very soul is nothing more than a flicker? Not even able to say his goodbye to jaina or uther? thats pretty fucked up
Worst of all sylvans is still giving hin the blame for the atrocitys she comitted while she was mind Controlled... Did that selfcentered biggot Not realice that arthas was being Controlled? Uther didnt say He was sorry for tossing arthas into the abyss where He Gott tortured beyond saving Just wow maybe i Play a human DK in wotlk and murder that bitch
@@TheFlowrider7 80% of this disaster was Sylvanas bitching about "muh trauma" "muh guilt" "me me me me me me me". According to this shitty retcon, both of them (Sylvanas and Arthas) were controlled by domination magic, but only Sylvanas gets redeemed because some creepy writer obsessed with her.
Better they not touch Arthas more than this. His legacy is wows heart. After Arthas they've been downhill. Glad they didn't mess his character up more than this
isn't it the same for every villain in his situation? they fight, won lose, gain everything they need to accomplish their goals yet there is always a last moment, a last chance for the heroes to thwart his plan?
@@randomtip8386 can't wait for Putins redemption arc This expansion we have to raid Kreml palace Only to find out that Putin was corrupted by Xi Jing Ping the true puppet master behind everything "No President rules for ever, my son"
Jailer: "A cosmos divided, will not survive, what is to come." Also Jailer: "Divide the cosmos mercilessly my Dreadlords. Divide it as much as you possibly can."
All the expansions with so much potential and that could've been really good always end up being unfinished and drama happens at Blizzard and then the expansion becomes one of the worst. Happened for Warlords of Draenor, Battle for Azeroth, and now Shadowlands.
@@_Lis25 WoD ended up being rushed and scraped together. So much content was omitted. It was terrible for that. When consultants get hired to rush your release date, that is a bad sign.
@DiamondOrPoor78 - Truth be told, all xpacs fell short after WotLK. Not because everyone agrees about it. But Cata was the beginning of reaching for the feel of a new game/world and but only achieved distaste from fans. The changes basically turned a polished gem into coal somehow. LoL!! Then that cycle continued. I'll be perfectly happy once WotLK Classic comes out 👍
@@Twitch_Moderator Actually a lot of people loved Cata thats one of my favorites (at least the leveling new zones, revamped world and pvp experience), and many people say MoP was the best expansion ever. Where it started to go down was WoD but even that was very interesting just really huge content drought, then BFA and Shadowlands just plain terrible. BFA is where it really went down
Called it, see the Jailer is actually the little guy on the ladder, simply a small precursor of what's to come. Blizzards been hammering that same plot point for 10 years. You see Sargares was actually the little guy on the ladder simply a precursor of the true danger to come. You see Ragnaros was actually the little guy on the ladder, deathwing, N'Zoth, all just small pawns of a much bigger enemy.
Right? After they said they wanted to give up this bigger bad guy progression at the end of Cata/start of MoP, yet just picked it back up with WoD, despite MoP being considered one of the best expansions.
@@DarkePacific literally every big bad has turned out to be at the bottom now we going find out that this has been Nzoths plan the whole time only to find out its been Xalataths plan only to find out it was Hogger this whole time.
I mean… don’t get me wrong, this story telling was shit… but we’ve pretty much known since day 1 that the void is ultimately the chest player going against the clock maker.
I feel that the fate of Arthas Menethil is one of the most unfair of all the major characters of WoW. He was rash and hot-headed, but he was a servant of the Light. A loyal soldier. Why did the Light not take at least the "good"/gold half of his soul like it did with Uther to at least try to save him on some level? Why did the Light simply abandon him? Why would it not respond to his call in the Maw, like it did for Anduin? ...are we nothing to the Light unless we are nearly perfect? Why would it abandon a loyal soldier to such a fate? The only true failing of Arthas was his inability to physically and mentally conquer and resist the very mind of the "devil" himself upon foolishly picking up a cursed blade. Everything from that moment on simply was not Arthas as himself. He died there that day. He was nothing more than a puppet from that moment onward to the moment of his second death upon the top of ICC... and yet that meager level of human failing rewards him with a lifetime in the Maw. A lifetime in the Maw in its worst state and then eventually infused into a blade of the sort that took his own life and used to do further evils.... sigh... the very worst part... only to be ultimately released for but a moment. Just a single moment of freedom as but a puff of formless anima. He has to spend that moment, his only moment being truly himself again in some way, being chided by some other equally damned and fucked over piece of shit about how worthless and forgotten he is as his final essence burns up leaving him gone and forgotten. Never again able to consciously exist, throughout ENDLESS eternity, for little more than the crime of being a hot blooded, but well meaning idiot. Light... save... me... but what I am about to say next is the truth. If this were real and actually happened to/around me, I would teach my children this man's name and story. I would teach them to teach it to their children and so on for so long as I lived. (Cause I'd be a wizard and live a long time and... shut up okay...) I would do everything in my power to make sure that the name Arthas Menethil was engraved into as many stone and iron surfaces as possible and that it rang loud and clear for as long as possible into the unending night so that the universe might never truly forget. This so that those in the future might have a countenance in Arthas as the ultimate example of what not to be as a person, but also that it be known forevermore that the Light once failed and abandoned one of us to the eternal Void. The whole deal is just... fucked. How do you roll a harder 1 in life than that?
Arthas did the Culling before ever even hearing of Frostmourne, and if you read the books about him he was also a pretty big dick even before the events of WC3 began. Of course, most of this was because he was very young and very privileged, but he was no holy warrior even before being manipulated. Uther and Anduin both very much are.
It really is such poetic irony that they took one of the most recognizable and cherished videogame helms and turned it into a generic, boring, quest reward level item design.
The only thing I liked about the WOW Shadowlands expansion is Sire Denathrius 1. He his charismatic and evil 2. He rules the Nathrezim 3. I just want to believe that Denathrius was the true antagonist of WOW Shadowlands and used Zovaal as a scapegoat.
Would have made much more sense than bargain bin Thanos who apparently has all the power of the gods, everything went to plan, everything has been collected and gets tank'n'spanked.
@FstSergeant8595 actually he was supposed to die after the first patch . like dead dead . but he was the fanfavorite so they designed around the nathrazim and stuff.
I started in TBC and played during the best era of this game. Like Arthas full of vigor and purpose. We fought in the hallow halls of Ice Crown, often to my defeat, but that one time, in friendship and in glory we defeated Arthas. Time has passed and like Arthas we have faded from the game and what once was, is no more, But I am glad I played in those times and the memories remain.
I've come to terms with the reality that the game and universe that I have more or less lived in for more than a decade is fading away. My characters and all the wonderful people I've met, The amazing stories and beautifully written characters I've encountered will be scattered to the winds of time due to corporate greed and terrible writers. It hurts to say this, however I am grateful for the time I was able to live on Azeroth, where I have so many fond memories from. As a rallying cry for all of us who are being witnesses to this great decay, hear the words we've heard so many times before. Selama ashal'anore!
Having started in Wrath and basically having played this game my whole life I can't help but relate. In these painful times I leave you, ironically, a quote from Final Fantasy 14: "With your every step, these grand adventures shall grow more distant and faint. And there may come a day when you forget the faces and voices of those you have met along the way. On that day, I bid you remember this… That no matter how far your journey may take you, you stand where you stand by virtue of the road you walked to get there. For in times of hardship, when you fear you cannot go on… The joy you have known, the pain you have felt, the prayers you have whispered and answered - they shall ever be your strength and your comfort. This I hope - I believe, here at memory’s end." Look fondly upon the memories that we all have made in this wonderful universe, and do not linger on the shadow it has become.
@@IanTheRed1 I too started in Wrath, or the last months of TBC. I still remember my first hours in the game, and I remember them so fondly. What a wonderful quote, Thank you for sharing it.
only in small minds he is destroyed....being consumed by forges of the maw is pretty fiting...lets everything from remain untouched i mean you expected some kickass return and something new? here is blizzard leaving Arthas legacy at is ending him in a way that makes sense without putting something unneeded or wanted to his story and you still spit at them Blizzards problem are people like you.....
@@derfritz4550 Blizzard's problem are poor quality of writing and a tendency to sexually harass their employees to the point of absurdity to the detriment of their ability to function as a company. You can huff on that copium all you want and yell at the people who aren't content to just swallow shit without question for not doing so, but that won't really change the reality that the downfall of WoW has been ENTIRELY Blizzard's own doing. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
@@Exotac blizzard HAS problems... yes they need a clean sweep but the community went from gamers having fun TOGETHER to massive assholes over the past decades nobody can change my view on how toxic Blizzard Fans are nowadays I WANT THAT i WANT MORE OF THAT WHAAAT ITS DIFFERENT AS MY MIND WANTED IT NOOO YOURE SHIt cmon shut up
4:35 the worst written character in the history of this 30 year old series telling the best character to fade and be forgotten is the perfect encapsulation of how mind blowingly awful Shadowlands is.
This was such a missed opportunity to let the jailer win and have a hard reset (ala realm reborn). Imagine going back to Warcraft 1 timeline and preventing the orcs vs humans conflict, such a good excuse to finally have a factionless game.
Honestly, I'm not usually one to get emotional about stuff like this, but this ending genuinely feels like a kick in the teeth for people like me that have followed the franchise since the Warcraft RTS games. I stopped playing for good earlier in Shadowlands, but I feel like I probably should have quit way before then. I literally grew from being a 10 year old kid playing WC games to being a married 30 year old man. I met some of my good friends that I still talk to today, theorycrafted about the lore, took time off work to play expansion releases etc. I'm just done now. I will see how Blizzard do under Microsoft, but something major needs to change.
I feel you.. I guess Kris left the company for a reason back in a 2016 after all his works on Legion were finished. He said his written Warcraft universe came to it's end and even released full-scale warcraft history book before he left.. I guess those are signs when maestro says "I am finished my story. And I am leaving to spend my time with family" As he did.
I like to think that Arthas being reduced to wisp after everything he had to go through is a metaphor, for how this franchise has been reduced to a shadow of its former self after being milked dry.
I feel Jaina should have said something to Arthas's soul since they were in love at one point, it would have had so much more weight than Sylvanas, like King Terenas speaking to Arthas as he died atop Icecrown Citadel.
"A Cosmos divided will not survive what is to come." This from the guy who apparently has been pulling the strings on everything since the WC1. He orchestrated Sargeras' betrayal of the Titans and the creation of The Burning Legion. A Legion which went on a campaign of conquest and destruction across countless worlds. Which eventually found and corrupted the orcs and unleashed them on Azeroth. Here we get the events of the RTS games, culminating in an undead plague (which he had a role in creating) sweeping across one continent while a Legion invasion ravages the other. Then comes the events of WoW and it's expansions all orchestrated by him to culminate in Sylvanas ripping apart the magic hat. Just seems a bit odd that a guy who spent the past few eons spreading conflict and chaos across the cosmos would say that only unity can stave off "what is to come." This is what happens when you approach a game like this with a "make it up as we go" mentality to story writing. You get things like The Jailer somehow being the mastermind behind every major plot point in the franchises history which would mean that his stated motives don't match his actions. "The Cosmos must be unified to survive what is to come! Yes, I now that I apparently foresaw some great coming darkness that threatens all of creation, but why should I tell anyone else about it? Why give these people who I'm apparently acting in the best interest of any kind of warning against the thing I'm trying to prevent from consuming them all? No, instead I'll spend the next few eons ensuring that strife and war are spread across the cosmos despite the fact that my last words to my buddies before they imprisoned me were "A cosmos divided will not survive what is to come." "....P.S. Also apparently all my friends will completely ignore the cryptic warning I gave when asked why I did what I did and they'll never make mention of it again to anyone, especially not a random group of god-slaying mortals."
The Jailer: i will destroy azeroth Also The Jailer: i wanted to destroy azeroth to save the cosmos from a big threat known as... *disintegrates into a dead robot*
They just need to stop adding new masterminds that were secretly behind the old masterminds. Not everything needs an Old God or Titan behind it. Not every Deathwing needs to be a servant of a higher power, just let a Deathwing be a Deathwing.
Just look at what Putin is doing right now... trying to colonize Ukraine and sell it off as unifying the nation and defending it from n*zis. I see a lot of parallels with the Jailer character tbh lol. It's supposed to be the flaw in the Jailer's logic which is why we disagree and wage war with him.
Baine meeting his father, Jaina's (or basically anyone who has something to do with Arthas) interactions with Arthas, Greymane seeing his dead son once again, Anduin meeting his father, Thrall meeting Garrosh, Jaina meeting her father, Talanji meeting her father (though she was pretty much absent from the whole expansion) and many more things that could have been explored, yet none of them were, the ones that actually got screen time were disappointing
@@pwpqwq7648 To be fair, if they gave us these, players would find another 20 examples that they didn't do. This is the main issue with bringing back dead things from the past, just where do you draw the line, when is it ever enough for player base? They should've never brought back anyone, we should've never went to afterlife, the idea itself is almost as stupid as traveling back in past was back in WoD. It is almost as if no one in Blizzard ever read a single comic book to realize how bad it is when you make mockery of death by bringing back dead heroes.
@@greatiusiterfector4519 They should probably take a page out of Filoni & Favreau's book of Star Wars and learn how to do just enough fan-service, and how to really do it correctly, that will keep players satisfied with the lore. But that's asking a lot out of Activizzard. Hopefully Microsoft cleans out their garbage writers & developers.
4:30 NO, you are the one who be forgotten, hated and banished, Arthas will be remembered for the centurys of games, the full embodiment of Warcraft and our eternal King
Why cant blizzard ever just let the villain succeed .. that would make the story interesting going into the next expansion.. obviously azeroth dieing would probably not be good for the game but... like damn at some point a villain has to get away with something. The jailer is Thanos except he didnt get his snap off.
Thanos comparisson is so spot on, could have reset the world and had a time heist exactly like it and go back to when it was about the aliance and horde straight after. Stuck to Azeroth like they always should have.
You do realise that this entire expac was Jailer winning at everything. He disrupted the Shadowlands, escaped the Maw, stole back his power, corrupted Anduin, and reached his end goal without us being able to be much more then an annoyance. This was the first expac in a long time where I felt a sense of urgency at defeating the final boss.
I would've been pleased if arthas somehow was rescued form the maw and, right when the heroes are about to be beaten by mal'ganis, steps in and finally kills the demon himself. Would've made sense since arthas' and mal'ganis' rivalry goes way back, and would've been a cool redemption move and a satisfying ending. Besides, arthas said he'd hunt mal'ganis to the ends of the earth, and the shadowlands seem like a pretty "ends of the earth" dimension.
Jailer about to put landing blow, camera is in front of him, a sword pierces his heart. "What......are... you doing....?" - Jailer "Succeeding you, Zovaal." Jailer drops dead, Arthas stands supreme behind, does a lil pose, kisses Jaina, then sits on throne all badass.
You know what? You're right. If Garrosh got to have a moment like this, feels like Arthas should get one too. Garrosh's moment didn't try to redeem him, but DID celebrate the parts of him that were admirable, and this seems like it would have done something similar without even needing to change the basic arc of the story as they designed it. Simply a missed opportunity!
Am I the only one that was upset over the treatment of Arthas? No final goodbye from HIS LOVE JAINA (standing RIGHT THERE! and she had a arc in BFA about her guilt!) and his master Uther not being able to say final words to him. What a utter disappointment!
Arthas is literally blizzard , great story driven to the point of a small flicker through time . Though alot has happened you will still be remembered as the GOAT
"Never again will a Lich King reign in ice crown" Lol that still kills me, way to retcon the big expansion everyone liked. But yeah Zhoval is a dumb villain. May the name "Shadowlands" fade to darkness
Having a hard time with a few things here. First being the lack of respect being shown to Arthas. Leaving him in a wisp without any means of communication back, even if it was for a short while, is dissatisfying. Second, the fact that Jaina, the absolute love of his life, one of the most powerful Alliance characters in the lore, a character whose plot lines thus far over the past 15 years mainly revolved around Arthas in some way, was given no dialogue. It here reeks of incompetency on behalf of the WoW team at Blizzard. Third, the fact that Sylvanas was given some sort of redemption arc, when, unlike Arthas and the Lich Kings before him, was enslaved and unable to break from the bondage, is garbage. One of the most amazing things about Sylvanas' character is the fact that she broke free. At the same time, breaking free means she was going to be held accountable for all of her actions, despite her grief and position. No one forced Sylvanas to do the things she did. No one forced her to burn down Teldrassil. I admit, she didnt asked to be killed by the Lich King either. Nor did she ask for an eternity of zombie servitude after being killed. But she allowed herself to be consumed by vengeance even after she had free will. The main point that Sylvanas' dialogue showed that she is still immature about her position is the fact that she kept speaking to and about Arthas in a negative light (no pun intended). What has always been a pivotal fact is that the Lich King is separate from the "person". Arthas was no longer Arthas the man when he put on the helm. He became a different entity that was the result of something which was created and that we learned about back in the Dreanor expansion. In essence, Arthas died the moment he put on the helm. Arthas' legacy shouldn't be tied to the Lich King anymore than Bolvar's legacy should be.
You are aware that Arthas did suspicious things even before he placed the Helm of Domination on his head, right? And he apparently had no remorse for doing them. I love Arthas as a villain. And I do agree that Blizzard pushing Sylvanas the way they did was just wrong. Especially since her arc ended in Wrath, there was no reason to bring her and the forsaken back. But the way the WOW fandom almost idolizes Arthas and keeps talking about how he was a hero with the heart of gold who just wanted to do the right thing is just...wrong. An interpretation such as this, not only makes Arthas's character weaker, it also weakens the whole plot of Warcraft 3. Illidan Stormrage is a much better candidate for a redemption arc, which is why I'm glad they did him right in Legion.
Now remember folks like Ion said, This was all planned from the beginning and they totally didn't skip a patch so what we got was what they wanted to give us. Imagine the BBEG of and expansion having less than 50 lines throughout the whole thing.....
So overall, Sylvanas opened a door to shadowlands and kidnapped the most popular characters. None of those characters died. Sylvanas got her soul complete and the big bully died. The whole expansion made 0 progression on the story.
The last scene of arthas being freed from the sword and sylvannas saying that arthas will be forgotten made me cried sooo hard, and I hated it!, I hated this expansion, blizzard wasted a strong potential character to be redeemed but noo... Being mind controlled = bad. Committing atrocities after atrocities and genocide = not act of evil and has the right to redeem them.
Shadowlands had so much potential... And blizzard didnt even use 1% of it. It's so sad. I'm still wondering what Talanji, Alleria, Vereesa and many other characters are doing in SL
@@pedrogrillo Necromancer class for next expansion. They rise up and help control them now to prevent that from happening... lol jk. Even that nonsense I just spouted is too creative for the modern WoW team.
When [Illidan/Sargeras/Zovaal] saw the threat posed by the [Burning Legion/Void/10.0 Threat], he was forced to take drastic action, betraying the [Night Elves/Titans/Pantheon of Death] and creating the [Illidari/Burning Legion/Mawsworn].
We also have the [Night Elves/Dragon Aspects/Nightborne] who have to give up their [Immortality/Aspect powers/Nightwell] to aid in the defeat of [Archimonde/Deathwing/Gul'dan]. Plus, we also have a trail for [Garrosh/Sylvanas] where Tyrande is the prosecutor, and despite a fair judge like [Taran Zhu/Arbiter Pelgaos], the offender still escapes permanent punishment.
Why did you do that to Arthas??? I cant believe it... I will always remember his ascention to the Frozen Throne as his most epic moment ever, not the aberration that you have made with him in this expansion.... Years of a good character.... Destroyed in a few seconds... I will never forgive Blizzard for this
Destroyed in a few seconds? Arthas was defeated once in Frozen Throne and again in Lich King. To plot rez him again would be to erase those victories, player victories. I thought this was perfect--he goes out not with a bang but a whimper.
@@alphablitz1024 saying to Arthas "may no one remember your name" seems a good end to him? Obviouslly you did not play Warcraft 3 19 years ago, Arthas did not deserve that end... And if you think he did... You are as trash as Blizzard writters
Sylvanas: Even though in the end you were being controlled just like I was, I get redemption and you don't. Lul may no one remember your name hurr durr
Just remember while you are painstakingly trying your best to write a college thesis or best selling novel, not only does this expansion exist, someone was PAID to make it. same with the Disney writers who were paid for the line, "Somehow Palpatine Returned."
Argh! At this point danuser can write anduin being gaped by wrathion while silvanas and jaina eat shit of each other’s faces and he would still keep his job. Microsoft really is our last hope to save WoW.
I'm currently writing a sci-fi/fantasy book, if there's something that i learned with these last expansions and character development, is that i don't want to fck up my own characters and stories the way blizzard did.
I will remember him forever as the deepest character in the WoW lore who never had the redemption he would have deserved. I will remember him in a time where lore was good as i could never accept things such Sylvanas'fandemption arc or Arthas'soul evaporation.
The redemption Arthas needed was having him use some of the last energy he had to save Anduin from the mournblade. That's it. That's all the writers had to do in order to give a meaningful ending for him. And it would've better explained his.. simply fading at the end, having genuinely given the last of himself to save another. He couldn't save his people, but just this once.. He can save someone else's.
@@krel7160 Heck, they didn't even need to do that, just show Arthas in front of Anduin, say something like "I will not fail this time", put his hands on the sword, then have Anduin do the splitting thing.
I think this expansion could have been great, they didnt need the jailor, they never did. they had a story in front of them, the idea that after being cast into the maw arthas' soul could have become even more corrupted, that perhaps arthas' soul could have been corrupting the rest of the shadowlands and the goal would be to put his souls to rest. that would have been far more compelling.
This would've made a lot of sense too thematically. Cata and MoP were kind of vanilla expansions/overhauls. WoD and Legion had ties to TBC and then BFA and Shadowlands had ties to WotLK. Now we have Dragonflight which again is about an expansion of the vanilla game and a bit of a callback to Cata with the Dragon Aspects.
@@El-Dorado930 A fictional mass murderer with the best writing and their most popular character. Also it's debatable whether it was him or Ner'Zhul who is responsible for all the killing, with contradicting evidence.
@@El-Dorado930 I feel like you're simplifying the whole "Arthas is the Lich King" situation, it's really not that simple. Arthas, like other Deathknights and followers of the Scourge, is placed under hypnosis and is forced to do the Lich King's bidding. It overrides his own will. We don't even know which parts are really Arthas' and which are from Ner'Zhul. All we have to go on are some clues like Arthas' child spirit underneath ICC in Icecrown.
@@robertsandee3349 Nah. Blizz made it clear that Arthas consumed Nerzhuls soul when he put on the helm of dominantion. That's why Nerzhul wasn't in the maw. He wasn't 'mind controlled', it was all him. Anyway, this was just bad writing by Blizzard because of the ambiguity.
This won’t be the end of arthas. They know it, as sad as it sounds, it’s their milking cow… he will return somehow as messed up as things are in blizzard, he’ll come back. And yes, I’ll probably be disappointing or whatever, but I’m already ready for that and be really happy to see what else I can get from him
My son. The day you were born, the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name, Arthas. My child. I watched you with pride, as you grew into a weapon. Of rightousness. Remember, our line has always ruled with wisdom, and strength. And I know that you will show restraint, when exercising your great power. But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people. I tell you this, for when my days have come to and end. You, shall be king.
What a horrible fate for him. Arthas. He went through all that in life, and in death, and then after death his soul was tormented, and slowly devoured until he was a single candle flicker. Then after facing those that he wronged, that sliver of his soul doesn't get a afterlife... nor even the comfort of oblivion. His sliver of his soul just ceases to exist entirely... and history won't even record his name. Damn... that's brutal. The most legendary Final Boss of warcraft... What a terrible end.
You know that hauting theme at 06:05 exists since 2008. It's the original Acherus theme. The music that plays in the background of Ebon Hold. Simply called Ebon Hold General Music. It's incredibly fitting for anything haunting. I still listen to it sometimes.. I had to edit this. Either I put in the wrong timestamp or the video changed XD?
The scene with Anduin genuinely makes me feel emotion. Out of all the side stuff I’ve done helping him, feels good. I just wish Arthas and Jaina or even Uther got to speak.
Yeah, that scene carried so much weight, and the voice acting is A++++, but I agree, that right there is all of WOW in one scene almost, and so little was sad, and by so few.
Even if Arthas couldn't make a return they could've had his soul appear for a few minutes so Jaina and Uther could talk one last time with him before he fades away. A bittersweet ending for Arthas.
Yeah that's the only scene from here that did anything for me. Probably because it was the only little bit well done. Until they cut to the Arthas soul part and slip right back into horrible writing.....
It's damn sad to see how far the story of this game has fallen. I played WoW all the way up through Legion. The lore is what kept me interested. Battle for Azeroth and everything after that has taken that interest away.
Yep. I didn't care for a few of the expacs prior to Legion-- Cata and MOP weren't my favorites, WOD just needed more content-- but I've hated everything -after- Legion. I did have a blast in vanilla, TBC, WOTLK, and Legion though.
The jailor is part of the illuminati. You see, everyone answers to a higher power. It seems that we don't know who exists at the highest power exactly. And the scourge, now that the helm of domination has been turned into the crown of wills. Well, now like when they were under bolvars influence, they can be permanently nice. Completely resistant to mind control.
everyone was so hyped for arthas in shadowlands, and they did this... its like pissing on wrath of the lichking. Turning arthas into a fucking lightbulb, and the most badass helmet in the game, the crown of domination, into something that looks like it belongs to a newly boosted human paladin or levelgear. what the fuck.
"Never again will a lich king reign in icecrown" and there you have it never have I become so flacid after a single line imagine if they did this shit to fucking illadin, imagine if they just permanently killed him off, watch his shitty little blue firework spirit float in the air before some blue elf bimbo says "yeah your'e gonna be forgotten" and it's double cemented by saying "the demon hunters will never be whole again" you know, in a way I'm glad I'm glad I stopped two months into this expansion, this never happened. I can die knowing that shadowlands isn't cannon in my heart this should be it, end it here. You won't, and a lot of people have said this already (probably since og wow was released, always people saying the game is dead and blah blah) but no. You single handedly told what is arguably considered the most recognizable character your series has ever franchised, and told him to go suck a dick in goodbye land. I don't think anyone was expecting Arthus or the Lich King to make a massive come back or anything, I didn't expect arthus to come out of the fucking air with a pair of angel rings or for the scourge to T pose and turn into a massive tornado of death I just wanted my boy Arthus to fucking rest, and I wanted some true representation of the lich king, and for that legacy to either continue or to be put down in a way that is special but not only did you put that legacy into the hands of a fucking saturday morning villain, you quite literally told us "yeah you see this? never coming back kiddo" and I'm glad to say I never will Hate it when a game dies, truly. I can forgive almost all of it. Making Sylvanus a dickbag just so you can do the "urr durr sorry guys I was just mean and angry." Sure, sucks you killed her character but go ahead. Then the mechanical disaster that was WoD? Sure, we can accept some mistakes in how we want our game to continue. Chores? BfA and Shadowlands loves them, I don't, but that's ok. But no, this is a true death, a permanent one, one that should ring to everyone who has ever played this game that this is the end. I can now treat those who still play modern WoW the same as I treat FIFA and Battlefield 2042 players Morons
After Legion: look like Void and the Old Gods masterminded us After BfA: look like Death was behind everything After Shadowlands: look like Blizzards running out of story to tell One of the worst expansion and story broken after WoD
Still hoping Daddy Denathrius ends up as the ultimate villain after all this. His VA, charm, design and everything just oozed supervillainy. Really hoped he would play a major role in the expansion but he got dispatched in Nathria. Hopefully Mal'ganis put Remornia in a safe place and once Denathrius gets out he gets to seductively monologue us into the next expansion.
A expansion set in the lands of the dead.With so much potential,and somehow even now watching the dead of the jailer, i dont what that fuck was his plans,and everything went so smoth for him he got everything rigth, it was a plan so oo complicated it makes sense that no one expect him to success. 2 Whole expansions!!!!!!! to set up the jailer plot,he was behind the Lich king itsellf!!! The most beloved villian in Wow History. We even had to swallow the Sylvanas plot one of the most stupid things writers of wow came out!!! Theres a hole staff of ppl working on this shit getting pay each day,and this bullshit was the best the came out with....Fuck
they obviously cut this expansion in half and put a new ending on it to finish it and move on. they cleaned house and gave up on this pretty fucking early lol. this was not their full story... they had much more threads, but a patch short and a company much smaller... they had to cut and take their L to move forward.
Just think hardy anything from this expansion ," let alone the last few," weren't even original. No new or original ideas what so ever. Just fighting the same villains over and over again. Their Just piggy backing and ruining the epic original story for their own personal gain. Passion for creation of anything new and original is lost. It's no surprise that the magic and wonder is lost. It's a disappointment.
His plan is pretty simple to figure out just by watching his last moments.He wanted to bind all 6 cosmic forces to his will and unite them,as he believes 7th force that is outside of reality is as powerful as all of them combined.And since 6 forces right now are in constant war,he is sure that the moment 7th force invades it would be doom for all. When he was imprisoned and even when he was at his last breath,he wasn't angry at them,he was disappointed that they couldn't see what he has seen. From his point of view,we are evil,as we are constantly hindering his plan and that hindering will eventually cause destruction of everything first ones created.
The story was horrible makes me wonder why they even had the delay for the new expansion. I don't want to hear because covid that's a multi-billion-dollar company they can easily operate even from home to make a decent expansion.
Would have been satisfying to see Arthas make a comeback and get a second chance at life, since y'know. His mind was hijacked by like two or three different entities (The Legion, The Lich King, The Jailer) and many of his actions were simply not his own. That "freed" scene was perhaps the most unfair and most heartbreaking end that a hero could ever have when all they ever wanted from the start was to literally ease the suffering of his people and fight for justice.
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Hiya Folks! At least we got a full cinematic ending for the raid, compared to N'zoth's Laser Beam LOTR ending. So that's a plus. Still wish we could've gotten the Jailer's backstory sooner to make us "sympathize" with the Jailer's motives and reasons for his actions. Still think the Helm of Domination should've kept its original design with maybe a golden/light infusion to go with the new Will theme. And we could've at least seen the soul of Arthas interact with Uther & Jaina, sharing a final talk before disappearing forever. That would've been a better bittersweet ending for Arthas.
"My Son. The day you were born, the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name. Arthas"
**His legacy will forever live on and his name never forgotten as it lives within each of us.**
I'm not rly following, does this sinematic happen after you beat Anduin or when you beat the jailer?
So when the veil closes I just noticed with something…
When the veil was broken it shattered like a marble slab falling with “chunks of sky” floating around BUT when the veil is fixed you can clearly see that the sky chunks are still there just being covered with what appears to be a new piece of sky…
So does that mean bits of Azeroths sky is floating around Torghast forever?
Bruh, they really turned the most badass helmet in the game.. into a level 30 hunter headgear.
lmao
their developers have zero imagination.
Isn't/Wasn't there a quest in Hillsbrad Foothills called the Crown of Will....
All they added was a single 's'.
And with Green quality at most cuz it doesnt even look like a blue/rare item let alone epic or legendary lmao.
The developers are girls and im sure they wanted LGBTQ to join the story but fucked it up
That scene with Arthas' soul is such a perfect metaphor for Blizzard as a company.
It is indeed
Disappointing, heartless, offensive, disrespectful, self-aggrandising… It truly goes on
Cant be said better.-
Hahahahahaha so true so fucking true....
based on your comment Blizzard just turned into Arthas after receiving Frostmourne and cull the entire Stratholme while also led the undead to the point he become a lich king. Man where is a mod where Arthas name can be changed into Blizzard in Warcraft 3 anyway?
It's actually kind of heart breaking that they just brushed Arthas aside like this. One of, if not the, most complex and interesting characters blizzard ever brought to life.
Honestly at this point I am just happy they stopped milking him trying to make the other content meaningful just by using the name.
The problem is that they only used his name and litteraly nothing else
@@ssj3theoutsider228 exactly look at illidan, he came back in legion to help your side and got SO much character lore built onto him, but arthas? Just make him a little blue ball that can't talk so fans feel serviced
He wasnt very complex. He had like one scene where he was presented with a tough decision, and after that almost was completely single minded if not downright evil.
@@nicholaspoulos7694 wasn't really one decision, sure he had Strat but in northrend he burned down his men's ships (people can argue whether he was right or wrong) and when he found frostmourne he was urged to turn away but chose to take the blade. He might not be the most complex but he wasn't some simple villian
Arthas Menethil: One of the most iconic and important characters in Warcraft lore...and his final arc is appearing as a small, blue orb and being told to fuck off into obscurity lol
A pretty clear extension of the phrase “No king rules forever, my son”
@@heyitsmushu7393
The writers never indicated that in the story that they told. Dont write the script for them after the fact to make their drivel make sense.
A perfect encapsulation of how Blizzard treats the WoW IP.
@@heyitsmushu7393 Well that quote is extended towards Blizzard as a company. Ditto for this cutscene too.
“Fuck off little blue fart cloud”
It's nice that they turned the helm of domination into the crown of wills. It's like a parallel to what they did to the game. Took something badass and awesome, and turned it into complete bullshit.
If only Blizzard would make the crown look more like a King's crown and I wanted the name of the crown to be Liberation (Opposite of Domination) instead of Wills
ngl they could have done a gold retexture and it would have looked better
lmfao youre so right i fucking cringed out that moment
Even the name sucks. Someone was given 30 seconds to come up with that.
@@LerRhann btw, there is a quest "Crown of Will" in WoW Classic Hillsbrad Foothills/Alterac Mountains
Arthas finally achieved his dream. To become a light bulb. So proud of blizz.
And the titans just watching while some dude about to destroy the entire reality...Blizz story telling really went downhill once they began milking world of warcraft.
😂😂
I don't even know then Arthas is a elf... but on another hand... the forests of Lorderon wisperes his name.
Don't worry we all know that the real Master of the lich king,and the guy the jailor said that divided cosmos will not survive will return together whit arthas and all of his dead minions.
His name is the Dark titan Sargeras who wants do destroy all existence because everyone is evil.
That's why everyone try to take azeroth soul for themselves because only azeroth can defeat the dark Titan.
"There must always be...a Lich King!"
**some expansions later**
"Psych! Just kidding, you'll be fine!"
I swear they’re fucking dumb. How they gonna say that and then do this? Blizzard wants us to forget about arthas but no chance
Yes. What about the Scourge? Do they run wild in Azeroth now? Or did they just disappear along with Arthas?
guess its bound to the helm... No helm no scourge... a helm without a wielder means unleased scourge... helm with a wielder means controlled scourge... 'shrugs'
@@llandrin9205 yes, because... a wizard did it
Argh! I think after the pre-patch the scourge was somehow contained, even tho we get a quest for kyrian a where we go to ferry as soul from Azeroth who recently died to a bunch of undead ghouls.
After that, there is no mention of the scrounge running rampant on Azeroth, and it looks like the scourge is essentially dead now.
"Behold, the Crown of Wills!"
me: beholds it
completely unimpressed
vendors it for like 20 gold lol
Still think a golden Helm of Domination with maybe some light infusion would've worked well. The design was iconic and a franchise standard.
@@Athelarius That's constructive thinking right there, would fit well and probably look good. That means you're too good for Blizzard.
(Though the scene and even the entire story in general wouldn't be saved by such a simple improvement to the object.)
Maybe join Riot with their upcoming MMO. Pull off a Planetside 2 - style Wrel ascendance. The industry needs all the talent and good ideas they can get right now.
It looks like a singular bracelet for a Bionicle character 17 years ago.
@@TerkanTyr riot mmo is cancelled
Imagine if it was ARTHAS who showed up to Anduin in the end. Imagine if he was able to use up his soul energy or whatever to bring Anduin back. From one prince to another, saving someone from the same fate that befell him. That would at least make his end here a lot less stupid and pointless.
Edit: narratively speaking, it's also a problem for Anduin to get bailed out by Varian here when he already had a moment where his father helped steel his resolve back in Legion. The son being helped once by the father is moving and beautiful, the son leaning on daddy twice in a row is sad incompetence.
That would have been better than mother orc tbh.
That would've been a beautiful ending, the last of Arthas humanity trying to at least redeem himself in some form.
Already you were more creative than the writing team.
thats so much better, it would have been very sweet and sad
I 100% agree with the second sentence(about Anduin) but Arthas is one of the Best written "went mad" villains. And if he went mad, he wouldn't like to helo those who were his oponent's even if they were his comrades in the past. Smof course doing it like they did is wasted potential but imo the Best thing would be make his soul do something like saying a threat in the end. Something like "Maybe you won in Northrend, maybe you will win with Jailor, but I the end I will meet all of you and this won't be a pleasure for you all"
Thank you for letting those who no longer play wow see the cinematics.
I actually enjoyed BFA, not award winning but I liked it, it was somewhat more down to earth. I think people revise their opinions of certain expansions when time passes, I hated the whole "Warlords of Draenor" expansion to start with, in BFA however that´s probably where I spent the most time.
I’m glad I’m not the only one
Glad it helps many keep up with the story. After the last few years, can definitely say Shadowlands has been...interesting. And exhausting. Especially when you consider the four covenant stories and the 9.1 Renown Grinding up to 80. Curious to see where the next expansion leads into.
@@vaiosis I try to play but I can't keep up with the patches. I'm way behind everyone else and this but I love the story, so glad I can enjoy the story while taking my sweet time with the game thanks to people like this streamer :)
@@Icedholly yeah I couldn’t keep up with the patches too and as you get older, there are other priorities that take over. So glad for people like @Athelarius and streamers like you mentioned :))
Can’t wait for the next expansion where we actually find out that The Jailer was the good guy.
The Jailer was merely misunderstood. How could you not see that? Sundering reality and making it anew was just a rebound after breaking up with Sylvanas.
Or maybe he was a puppet like Arthas and Anduin, controled with domination power by someone else :)
The Jailer is literally Thanos ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
@@Esaquitan a pyramid scheme of misunderstanding/puppets but who is at the top lol
@@DreamLotusStudio The big bad of the next expansion. Until that one turns out to just be a henchman of the big bad of the expansion after that.
Sylvannas having a monologue at Arthas’ soul cinder instead of Jaina or Uther saying something meaningful is a tragedy by itself.
Yeah that's what I'm thinking. How could Blizzard not have those two say something? Bunch of bullshit. The Blizzard of 20 years ago would never have done it this way
@@johnzackarias11 its weird but an enemy giving you rest seems a lot more impactful in a story like this than a loved one...especially an enemy that you yourself ruined being able to let you rest speaks volumes.
I don't think her giving a monologue by itself is too bad a problem, more that nobody else had anything to say. Arthas caused an insane amount of damage, physically, emotionally, and spiritually to a lot of people and Sylvannas was one of them. But his former lover and old master he struck down have nothing to say? No sorrowful nostalgia of better times? No remaining anger over what he did? No pity for the man that was corrupted by his devotion? No ANYTHING?
Well, as he abandoned them, whey abandoned him. He stopped being a part of Jainas life, and he ended Uters.
But for Silvanas - he WAS her life. To the end. She defended her lands from him, died to him, served him, vreak free of him, tried to revenge, when tried to not make same mistakes and in the end - to prevent others from making this mistakes. Basically she vent from trying to get rid of one arthas, to then trying to create a world there never will be born somebody like arthas to then becaming one herself and realising it finally could get rid of arthas - by simply changing her own path.
Its poetic really, and despite Sylvanas being one of my most hated characters in the series, despite being full of cliche, and stuff - i think its just right she says this last words.
She was him after all. Her very own Arthas to stop was she all along. And despite doing so - it doesnt change the fact that she lived for tens of years by chasing him and his image.
@@mariofan1ish They have already seen him die and have probably moved on. Their concern is for Anduin here, and maybe, just maybe, they've finally had enough of Arthas for one lifetime. Sylvanas is the one who needs closure. Uther and Jaina aren't getting anything out of talking to a scrap of blue mist.
And let's not forget: the reason Arthas's soul was torn to pieces was due to Uther's rage and thirst for vengeance. He's likely overwhelmed with guilt and shame. What could he possibly say? Sorry? We're even?
This feels like a saturday morning cartoon written by 4kidz. Including the absurd power level creep, implying there is a Eviler Evil Force behind everything.
Soros and Schwab enter the ring.
And so the cycle continues.
@@ryanforbes8775 that would be hilarious
@@ryanyoung27 I know right can you imagine, they would be like "You azerothians are consuming to much azerorite and we need a reset so you will own no legendary's and be happy".
@@ryanforbes8775 you will eat ze bugs
I love how Sylvannas straight up tells us to forget about Arthas.
No. I don't think I will. I didn't even get to play Wrath and I somehow still miss it.
warmane bro
What pisses me off is that Jaina is RIGHT THERE. The single person who absolutely never gave up and certainly will never forget about her soul mate and literal love of her life.
@@TheSko90 - I totally agree like holy crap! The writing just went hardcore in making everyone totally bitter about this expansion and all the lore leading up to all this... not even bitter-sweet just pure Bitterness!
Hey sorry to ask but can you tell me why arthas soul(spirit flicker idk) was in Anduins blade? And who is the current leader of the horde?
@@hottoast9948 the Horde is run by a council and I have no idea why Arthas' soul is in Anduin's sword. Shadowlands is a mess
Arthas was the soul of Blizzard. Now that he's completely gone, Blizzard is soulless.
@@cannabico6621 I know I will
he was already completely gone before
And the exact next to illidan ; the only one could carry the legacy of blizzard...
I quit less than a week into SL. I was super excited for what could have been, but saw it was more awful than I could have imagined.
Only came here to see how it ended, and can only say I'm thankful to not have grinded an entire expac for whatever _that_ was.
I feel the same.
If anyone thinks 10.0 will somehow magically be better, when the same people who destroyed BFA & Shadowlands are still in charge, then do I have an NFT to sell you...
Oh boy! I hope its a Hozen.
At this point... A NFT would have serve better than this
I feel there is creative talent at blizzard, it’s being crushed from the top down , steve danuser and ion need a boot 🥾
That's genuinely the funniest comment I've ever seen in my life
@@wackywarrior001 if the next expansion is garbage then you can blame Steve. Steves just been trying to salvage this train wreck that whats his name laid out before he got fired.
"I can't believe this has been set up since Warcraft 3. I can't wait to see what happens next."
-Nobody.
Activision: "...Arthas Menethil. May the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten"
Also Activision few months later: "My son, the day you were born the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name Arthas"
Bcos they came to knew that not just Arthas, but the very playerbase of wow began to fade from the subscription !!
@@cajaiminpandit9641 Arthas was literally the only charakter which kept this game working.
@@krzysztofputerko1943 yea completely agree
It was a really missed opportunity not having Arthas be the one who saved Anduin from the Jailer's grasp. "In my arrogance, my own people were condemned to the flames of servitude and war. I will not stand idly by as the master of that blade attempts to cast the same sentence upon yours."
Bonus points if you add in 'An old friend of mine once said that vengeance cannot be a part of what a paladin must do. What is to come is not retribution, Anduin, but justice.'
Lmao. So nice to see these pathetic arthas fanboi crying
Remember kids! Arthas mind controlled and enslaved into being the Lich King? UNFORGIVABLE YOUR SOUL DESERVES DESTRUCTION. Sylvanas CHOOSING to commit atrocity after atrocity because "life hard"? Forgivable she was just girl bossing it.
She was forgivable because is a woman. Facts
@@lucas9684 More like due to how shitty WoW writting gotten
@@lucas9684 😂
Tbf she was controlled and manipulated as well. If not for her, they would not have reached an end of putting the Jailer down.
@@reesejohnson2788 being the one that starts the fire then tries to put it out doesn't usurp your blame for the whole thing.
So you're seriously gonna sit there and tell me that Arthas, who we have now established as being controlled by the jailer, dominated by the same magic that dominated Sylvanas, doesn't get a redemption but she does. Sylvanas gets to be the one to sentence his final wisp to extinction while Uther and Jaina stand by without a word? What a joke.
She literally says its not easy to break domination. The undead dude says its nearly impossible, and yet she sits there and blames Arthas.
While I am personally annoyed that they put Sylvanas in a position where she was just randomly evil and in need of redemption, and am equally annoyed we saw nearly nothing of either Arthas OR Anduin's father throughout the entire expansion, I can see why they'd give him the wisp treatment and not Sylvanas.
The story is that Arthas actively CHOSE to give his soul away, whereas both Sylvanas and Uther both didn't. Their souls were stolen, and broken. Without souls, their actions lacked empathy or conscience- the typical theme when it comes to missing souls. Of course, they also felt anger and hatred, because why not? There is justification in arguing that their actions weren't correctly driven specifically because their souls had been stolen, and that was not their fault.
Arthas, on the other hand, made a choice knowing good and well the consequences. He willingly allowed himself to become corrupted before he picked up Frostmourne, and before he took up the Helm of Domination, and it's arguable that his actions leading up to all of that were selfish as well.
Bolvar put the crown on to save Azeroth. Arthas did it because he wanted revenge on Mal Ganis. Remember that he had already selfishly purged Stratholme and driven away both Uther and Jaina because he insisted on doing things his way, rather than taking the time to consider consequences or another means of resolving the issue. He kills Mal Ganis, returns home, and immediately kills his father. He didn't even need the helmet to be controlled. He literally asked for it. His soul was corrupted and fractured long before he reached the Shadowlands. What little of it that remained sentient was likely what was speaking to his father when he finally fell on the Frozen Throne.
But that's just my take. I don't know what the hell Blizzard is doing, and neither do they. I won't justify how they're running the show, but I am glad they didn't completely screw over Sylvanas.
@@littilwood I appreciate the take, but my point was that this expac essentially retcons that. Its explicitly stated in Warcraft 3 that Arthas is being manipulated to take Frostmourne and we know once he makes the choice to take up the sword his soul is the first claimed. But this expac just says "yeah its the jailer, he controls all the baddies and its all been according to his design, nobody had choice".
Theres other things here too that didn't make sense to me too, like wasnt anduins dads soul erased from existence?
For me the entire reason I got into WoW was because it continued with Arthas' story. When he finally dies it seems like he's back in control, he says "is it finally over". Theres room there for his redemption and its just feels like they went the Star Wars route of "letting the past die"
@@littilwood im sorry but i totaly have to disagree, specialy with the stratholm part . Imagin in reallife todays time , everyone who gets covid-19 dies and you have no medicine or antivax to help it AND you die in merely a few hours AND its not detectable in the human body. Only thing you know all the food is infested with it or let it be our water . Suddenly you have no other choice than to purge that city and burn it to the ground. Thats what Arthas did to asure the rest of humanity is safe. Its a hard choice to make but its an important and right choice.
She's just a crazy b*tch even when she's not dominated. The writing couldn't be worse and the one that's doing it must be a weirdo no doubt about it. Why does she get a redemption when literally everyone in the game and in the real world hates her, but we don't get one for Arthas who we all love? Arthas, just like Garrosh in essence did nothing wrong. There was just collateral damage that was innevitable and both fought hard for their people.
Yeah this is the most ridicolous shit ever. Wtf were the writers even thinking coming up with this dribble?
Cant believe they turned the most badass crown that has so much history and lore behind it and turned it into a onion ring
And once again, they give ALL the spotlight to sylvanas, and nothing to either Uther, his friend and mentor, or Jaina, the love of his life. No, let's give all dialog to sylvanas that basically curses him in an act of hypocrisy so grand it outshines them all. Good work blizzard, you gave everyone's favorite villain and hero the end YOU deserve, to be forgotten and never mentioned again.
To be fair, Arthas' story has been over for a while. I'd rather them tie up any loose ends with his character instead of somehow dragging him back into the narrative and ruining the character's legacy.
Jaina just had an expansion where she was flying a boat around being the ex-machina for the story
Uther probably didn't say anything because he saw what his own actions did to Arthas after he tossed him into The Maw before Arthas could relieve judgment.
@@jasono312 I think a good capstone to Arthas' story would have been him giving the last of his energy to save Anduin from the mournblade. Instead of Varian, Arthas would get a last conversation with the son of his former friend, leave one last bit of advice for things to come, and then fade away as Anduin is freed.
Guys just remember, this is the ending of a story that begun in warcraft 3; arthas got disenchanted, the jailor quit because he got tired to farming anima, sylvanas is still alive and "good"
“disenchanted” LOL
@@thehoffmeister9277 yeah disenchanted like that lvl 30 green helmet is supposed to be
the problem with 2020 modern writing is that no woman can be bad, if Sylvanas were to pay for all her crimes, all of her famboys would cry and feminists would say that she was punished by the patriarchy
It;s easy to forgive genocides, look at stalin and mao, the trick is to be the one who write the story/be a mary sue
The retcons! Frostmourne was a tool used by Ner'zhul. BUT WAIT, he got it from the Legion, and it was their plan. BUT WAIT, Yogg'Saron was behind Arthas' corruption (somehow). BUT WAIT, the helmet and Frostmourne was a plan from the Jailer *all along*.
Blizz needs to just stop. If you give someone like Uther, Arthas or Illidan a proper death, let them stay dead and come up with a new storyline. Don't just keep unburying what has ended, pretending the newest mastermind was behind last time's mastermind.
Arthas - the man, the myth, the legend that probably was the sole reason that many of us actually started and/or continued to play the games Blizzard releases.
Without him, there would be no Azeroth.
He deserved a far better ending than he got.
i mean especially if they bring him back in the afterlife expansion. Then make something out of it... Agreed, he deserved better
Thats why I choose to think that this isn't his end, remember. everyone dies twice... when they die and when people stop remembering them :)
Lmao. Cry pathetic arthas fanboi.
@@shep9231so the jailer must be SUPER dead 😅
I fuckin loved that guy, I don't even played any other blizzard game other than Frozen Throne which remains an absolute classic within the gaming industry.
Once again...
Top shelf writing Blizzard, top shelf!
It's hard to come up with a better way to disappoint everyone, and that in itself is a feat.
If only Steve denuser would be fired
there is always the First cinematic of Shadowlands/ end of BFA, you know , the braking of the crown :D
Still that Sadge man face :D
had us in the first half lol
@@davemustang8173 nope
sylv freed me from this expac
This is the end for Arthas?
The guy who did everything for his people?
in the pursue to stop the legions of undead got corrupted by a blade and made to serve like everyone else?
Even while he was controlled held the Scourge back from killing Azeroth with the last shreds of his humanity.
Finally dies and instead of getting a fair trial and the chance of redeemption (then again what is there to redeem? if you get mind controlled there is not much u can do xD)
Regardless he gets tossed in the abyss by his mentor and friend and there he gets tortured to the point were his very soul is nothing more than a flicker?
Not even able to say his goodbye to jaina or uther?
thats pretty fucked up
Worst of all sylvans is still giving hin the blame for the atrocitys she comitted while she was mind Controlled...
Did that selfcentered biggot Not realice that arthas was being Controlled?
Uther didnt say He was sorry for tossing arthas into the abyss where He Gott tortured beyond saving
Just wow maybe i Play a human DK in wotlk and murder that bitch
@@TheFlowrider7 80% of this disaster was Sylvanas bitching about "muh trauma" "muh guilt" "me me me me me me me". According to this shitty retcon, both of them (Sylvanas and Arthas) were controlled by domination magic, but only Sylvanas gets redeemed because some creepy writer obsessed with her.
Dude that actually made me so sad. Arthas was like my favorite character from wc3 till wotlk and they butcher him like that.
Better they not touch Arthas more than this. His legacy is wows heart. After Arthas they've been downhill. Glad they didn't mess his character up more than this
What do you expect. Arthas was a straight white male.
As a lifelong Warcraft fan I cant express how sad I am they did this with my favorite lore... ruined
Is a very weird feeling when all the villains of azeroth are right. Would be better to end this way long ago
@Maxtor Free of what?
@Maxtor you are assuming that everyone will do something positively constructive with their time.
@Maxtor people still non-ironically play wow in 2022?
@Maxtor Or you could just go outside, you drama queen :P
@Maxtor ok uncle joe now go back to couch
Even after the jailor did everything they claim he needed to do to win he still loses. How stupid.
putin entered the chat
Every final boss yet another target dummy for raiders.
@@randomtip8386 LMAO
isn't it the same for every villain in his situation? they fight, won lose, gain everything they need to accomplish their goals yet there is always a last moment, a last chance for the heroes to thwart his plan?
@@randomtip8386 can't wait for Putins redemption arc
This expansion we have to raid Kreml palace
Only to find out that Putin was corrupted by Xi Jing Ping the true puppet master behind everything
"No President rules for ever, my son"
Jailer: "A cosmos divided, will not survive, what is to come."
Also Jailer: "Divide the cosmos mercilessly my Dreadlords. Divide it as much as you possibly can."
Right! XD
It's all part of the "master plan" you're not supposed to question blizzard's divine wisdom. LOL
Needs to take his lithium
Peak writing ... NOOOT.
And who is he to decide the fate of the cosmos
All the expansions with so much potential and that could've been really good always end up being unfinished and drama happens at Blizzard and then the expansion becomes one of the worst. Happened for Warlords of Draenor, Battle for Azeroth, and now Shadowlands.
What dramas happend in WoD and BfA?
@@_Lis25 WoD ended up being rushed and scraped together. So much content was omitted. It was terrible for that. When consultants get hired to rush your release date, that is a bad sign.
@DiamondOrPoor78 - Truth be told, all xpacs fell short after WotLK. Not because everyone agrees about it. But Cata was the beginning of reaching for the feel of a new game/world and but only achieved distaste from fans. The changes basically turned a polished gem into coal somehow. LoL!! Then that cycle continued. I'll be perfectly happy once WotLK Classic comes out 👍
@@Twitch_Moderator BfA one?
@@Twitch_Moderator Actually a lot of people loved Cata thats one of my favorites (at least the leveling new zones, revamped world and pvp experience), and many people say MoP was the best expansion ever. Where it started to go down was WoD but even that was very interesting just really huge content drought, then BFA and Shadowlands just plain terrible. BFA is where it really went down
Called it, see the Jailer is actually the little guy on the ladder, simply a small precursor of what's to come. Blizzards been hammering that same plot point for 10 years.
You see Sargares was actually the little guy on the ladder simply a precursor of the true danger to come. You see Ragnaros was actually the little guy on the ladder, deathwing, N'Zoth, all just small pawns of a much bigger enemy.
Right? After they said they wanted to give up this bigger bad guy progression at the end of Cata/start of MoP, yet just picked it back up with WoD, despite MoP being considered one of the best expansions.
@@DarkePacific literally every big bad has turned out to be at the bottom now we going find out that this has been Nzoths plan the whole time only to find out its been Xalataths plan only to find out it was Hogger this whole time.
@@christopherh4891 If it turns out to be Hogger I'll take back every bad thing I ever said about Blizzard.
@@jerryc3467 hahah imagine if its hogger!! XD
I mean… don’t get me wrong, this story telling was shit… but we’ve pretty much known since day 1 that the void is ultimately the chest player going against the clock maker.
I feel that the fate of Arthas Menethil is one of the most unfair of all the major characters of WoW. He was rash and hot-headed, but he was a servant of the Light. A loyal soldier. Why did the Light not take at least the "good"/gold half of his soul like it did with Uther to at least try to save him on some level? Why did the Light simply abandon him? Why would it not respond to his call in the Maw, like it did for Anduin? ...are we nothing to the Light unless we are nearly perfect? Why would it abandon a loyal soldier to such a fate?
The only true failing of Arthas was his inability to physically and mentally conquer and resist the very mind of the "devil" himself upon foolishly picking up a cursed blade. Everything from that moment on simply was not Arthas as himself. He died there that day. He was nothing more than a puppet from that moment onward to the moment of his second death upon the top of ICC... and yet that meager level of human failing rewards him with a lifetime in the Maw.
A lifetime in the Maw in its worst state and then eventually infused into a blade of the sort that took his own life and used to do further evils.... sigh... the very worst part... only to be ultimately released for but a moment. Just a single moment of freedom as but a puff of formless anima. He has to spend that moment, his only moment being truly himself again in some way, being chided by some other equally damned and fucked over piece of shit about how worthless and forgotten he is as his final essence burns up leaving him gone and forgotten.
Never again able to consciously exist, throughout ENDLESS eternity, for little more than the crime of being a hot blooded, but well meaning idiot.
Light... save... me... but what I am about to say next is the truth.
If this were real and actually happened to/around me, I would teach my children this man's name and story. I would teach them to teach it to their children and so on for so long as I lived. (Cause I'd be a wizard and live a long time and... shut up okay...)
I would do everything in my power to make sure that the name Arthas Menethil was engraved into as many stone and iron surfaces as possible and that it rang loud and clear for as long as possible into the unending night so that the universe might never truly forget. This so that those in the future might have a countenance in Arthas as the ultimate example of what not to be as a person, but also that it be known forevermore that the Light once failed and abandoned one of us to the eternal Void.
The whole deal is just... fucked. How do you roll a harder 1 in life than that?
I still think Cairne's fate is the most bullshit.
Nether arthas
nor Wow's"light" are real, wipe your nolife ass boy....
Arthas did the Culling before ever even hearing of Frostmourne, and if you read the books about him he was also a pretty big dick even before the events of WC3 began. Of course, most of this was because he was very young and very privileged, but he was no holy warrior even before being manipulated. Uther and Anduin both very much are.
You have put into words exactly what i've been thinking
@@smartdodo409 fair
It really is such poetic irony that they took one of the most recognizable and cherished videogame helms and turned it into a generic, boring, quest reward level item design.
The only thing I liked about the WOW Shadowlands expansion is Sire Denathrius
1. He his charismatic and evil
2. He rules the Nathrezim
3. I just want to believe that Denathrius was the true antagonist of WOW Shadowlands and used Zovaal as a scapegoat.
Denathrius carried the xpac
Would have made much more sense than bargain bin Thanos who apparently has all the power of the gods, everything went to plan, everything has been collected and gets tank'n'spanked.
I still rather queue for Castle Nathria lfr than to set one foot in that frontal car accident that is Sanctum of Domination.
@FstSergeant8595 actually he was supposed to die after the first patch . like dead dead . but he was the fanfavorite so they designed around the nathrazim and stuff.
I agree! "Do not speak. Observe." is in my opinion such an awesome line from Sire Denathrius!
I started in TBC and played during the best era of this game. Like Arthas full of vigor and purpose. We fought in the hallow halls of Ice Crown, often to my defeat, but that one time, in friendship and in glory we defeated Arthas.
Time has passed and like Arthas we have faded from the game and what once was, is no more, But I am glad I played in those times and the memories remain.
I've come to terms with the reality that the game and universe that I have more or less lived in for more than a decade is fading away. My characters and all the wonderful people I've met, The amazing stories and beautifully written characters I've encountered will be scattered to the winds of time due to corporate greed and terrible writers. It hurts to say this, however I am grateful for the time I was able to live on Azeroth, where I have so many fond memories from.
As a rallying cry for all of us who are being witnesses to this great decay, hear the words we've heard so many times before.
Selama ashal'anore!
I feel you :/
@Omen Thank you for your kind words and your friendly offer. I wish more people were like you. If I do end up in Eorzea I'll let you know. ❤️
Having started in Wrath and basically having played this game my whole life I can't help but relate. In these painful times I leave you, ironically, a quote from Final Fantasy 14:
"With your every step, these grand adventures shall grow more distant and faint.
And there may come a day when you forget the faces and voices of those you have met along the way.
On that day, I bid you remember this…
That no matter how far your journey may take you, you stand where you stand by virtue of the road you walked to get there.
For in times of hardship, when you fear you cannot go on…
The joy you have known, the pain you have felt, the prayers you have whispered and answered - they shall ever be your strength and your comfort.
This I hope - I believe, here at memory’s end."
Look fondly upon the memories that we all have made in this wonderful universe, and do not linger on the shadow it has become.
@@IanTheRed1 I too started in Wrath, or the last months of TBC. I still remember my first hours in the game, and I remember them so fondly. What a wonderful quote, Thank you for sharing it.
That was beautiful man, couldn't have said it better myself.
So Blizzard destroyed even their most loved character Arthas in such a shameful way? I wish they have never add him to this ridiculous expansion...
I guess they also thought to make him a thing in their store, but was not sure about amount of profit.
ah? he was the most loved?
only in small minds he is destroyed....being consumed by forges of the maw is pretty fiting...lets everything from remain untouched
i mean you expected some kickass return and something new?
here is blizzard leaving Arthas legacy at is ending him in a way that makes sense without putting something unneeded or wanted to his story
and you still spit at them
Blizzards problem are people like you.....
@@derfritz4550 Blizzard's problem are poor quality of writing and a tendency to sexually harass their employees to the point of absurdity to the detriment of their ability to function as a company.
You can huff on that copium all you want and yell at the people who aren't content to just swallow shit without question for not doing so, but that won't really change the reality that the downfall of WoW has been ENTIRELY Blizzard's own doing. They have nobody to blame but themselves.
@@Exotac blizzard HAS problems...
yes they need a clean sweep but the community went from gamers having fun TOGETHER to massive assholes over the past decades
nobody can change my view on how toxic Blizzard Fans are nowadays
I WANT THAT i WANT MORE OF THAT WHAAAT ITS DIFFERENT AS MY MIND WANTED IT NOOO YOURE SHIt
cmon
shut up
4:35 the worst written character in the history of this 30 year old series telling the best character to fade and be forgotten is the perfect encapsulation of how mind blowingly awful Shadowlands is.
This was such a missed opportunity to let the jailer win and have a hard reset (ala realm reborn).
Imagine going back to Warcraft 1 timeline and preventing the orcs vs humans conflict, such a good excuse to finally have a factionless game.
Or the end of stormblood where you actually don't defeat the final boss (a second time), only for you to come back stronger 2 expansions later
THIIIISSSS this could be such a good excuse for implementing cross-faction gameplay
No just no. Classic is been there done that so many times so no just no
lets hope the bronze dragons carry this one lol
@@naalir6120 is completely different though since we would be experiencing a completely different lore with current wow mechanics
Honestly, I'm not usually one to get emotional about stuff like this, but this ending genuinely feels like a kick in the teeth for people like me that have followed the franchise since the Warcraft RTS games. I stopped playing for good earlier in Shadowlands, but I feel like I probably should have quit way before then. I literally grew from being a 10 year old kid playing WC games to being a married 30 year old man. I met some of my good friends that I still talk to today, theorycrafted about the lore, took time off work to play expansion releases etc. I'm just done now. I will see how Blizzard do under Microsoft, but something major needs to change.
I feel you.. I guess Kris left the company for a reason back in a 2016 after all his works on Legion were finished. He said his written Warcraft universe came to it's end and even released full-scale warcraft history book before he left.. I guess those are signs when maestro says "I am finished my story. And I am leaving to spend my time with family" As he did.
@@lemondruid2783 who is Kris?
@@nurousek123 I suspect they mean Chris Metzen.
@@garrettk7166 Yeah, it took me some time to figure (brain fried after work kekw)
Lol I'm glad I quit during vanilla wow. The story back is like night and day.
I like to think that Arthas being reduced to wisp after everything he had to go through is a metaphor, for how this franchise has been reduced to a shadow of its former self after being milked dry.
Farewell, World of Warcraft: Shadowlands, may the last whisper of your name fade and be forgotten.
"Father, is it over?"
"No my son, there is a new shitstorm on the horizon revealing itself on april"
I see....., only a whisp form...., before mee....
I feel Jaina should have said something to Arthas's soul since they were in love at one point, it would have had so much more weight than Sylvanas, like King Terenas speaking to Arthas as he died atop Icecrown Citadel.
"A Cosmos divided will not survive what is to come."
This from the guy who apparently has been pulling the strings on everything since the WC1. He orchestrated Sargeras' betrayal of the Titans and the creation of The Burning Legion. A Legion which went on a campaign of conquest and destruction across countless worlds. Which eventually found and corrupted the orcs and unleashed them on Azeroth. Here we get the events of the RTS games, culminating in an undead plague (which he had a role in creating) sweeping across one continent while a Legion invasion ravages the other. Then comes the events of WoW and it's expansions all orchestrated by him to culminate in Sylvanas ripping apart the magic hat.
Just seems a bit odd that a guy who spent the past few eons spreading conflict and chaos across the cosmos would say that only unity can stave off "what is to come."
This is what happens when you approach a game like this with a "make it up as we go" mentality to story writing. You get things like The Jailer somehow being the mastermind behind every major plot point in the franchises history which would mean that his stated motives don't match his actions. "The Cosmos must be unified to survive what is to come! Yes, I now that I apparently foresaw some great coming darkness that threatens all of creation, but why should I tell anyone else about it? Why give these people who I'm apparently acting in the best interest of any kind of warning against the thing I'm trying to prevent from consuming them all? No, instead I'll spend the next few eons ensuring that strife and war are spread across the cosmos despite the fact that my last words to my buddies before they imprisoned me were "A cosmos divided will not survive what is to come."
"....P.S. Also apparently all my friends will completely ignore the cryptic warning I gave when asked why I did what I did and they'll never make mention of it again to anyone, especially not a random group of god-slaying mortals."
The Jailer: i will destroy azeroth
Also The Jailer: i wanted to destroy azeroth to save the cosmos from a big threat known as... *disintegrates into a dead robot*
They just need to stop adding new masterminds that were secretly behind the old masterminds. Not everything needs an Old God or Titan behind it. Not every Deathwing needs to be a servant of a higher power, just let a Deathwing be a Deathwing.
well your efforts to summarize make blizzard look talented.
Just look at what Putin is doing right now... trying to colonize Ukraine and sell it off as unifying the nation and defending it from n*zis. I see a lot of parallels with the Jailer character tbh lol. It's supposed to be the flaw in the Jailer's logic which is why we disagree and wage war with him.
Also, we still dont really know what did he even do that got his friends so mad lmao
Most players waited whole expansion to see Arthas once again but they took from us even that 🤦♂️
Baine meeting his father, Jaina's (or basically anyone who has something to do with Arthas) interactions with Arthas, Greymane seeing his dead son once again, Anduin meeting his father, Thrall meeting Garrosh, Jaina meeting her father, Talanji meeting her father (though she was pretty much absent from the whole expansion) and many more things that could have been explored, yet none of them were, the ones that actually got screen time were disappointing
and then they turned he's badass helm in a golden fairy tale one.
@@pwpqwq7648 To be fair, if they gave us these, players would find another 20 examples that they didn't do.
This is the main issue with bringing back dead things from the past, just where do you draw the line, when is it ever enough for player base?
They should've never brought back anyone, we should've never went to afterlife, the idea itself is almost as stupid as traveling back in past was back in WoD.
It is almost as if no one in Blizzard ever read a single comic book to realize how bad it is when you make mockery of death by bringing back dead heroes.
@@pwpqwq7648 literally what I was so hyped about a year ago! Thinking that we could revisit all the dead characters. What a horrible expansion.
@@greatiusiterfector4519 They should probably take a page out of Filoni & Favreau's book of Star Wars and learn how to do just enough fan-service, and how to really do it correctly, that will keep players satisfied with the lore. But that's asking a lot out of Activizzard. Hopefully Microsoft cleans out their garbage writers & developers.
4:30 NO, you are the one who be forgotten, hated and banished, Arthas will be remembered for the centurys of games, the full embodiment of Warcraft and our eternal King
Lmao, cry pathetic arthas fanboi
Why cant blizzard ever just let the villain succeed .. that would make the story interesting going into the next expansion.. obviously azeroth dieing would probably not be good for the game but... like damn at some point a villain has to get away with something. The jailer is Thanos except he didnt get his snap off.
I mean. Gul'dan in Warlords of Draenor succeded in bringing the Legion to Azeroth.
@@lenkagamine4145 Fair point! Even thought it was super predictable.
Thanos comparisson is so spot on, could have reset the world and had a time heist exactly like it and go back to when it was about the aliance and horde straight after. Stuck to Azeroth like they always should have.
You do realise that this entire expac was Jailer winning at everything. He disrupted the Shadowlands, escaped the Maw, stole back his power, corrupted Anduin, and reached his end goal without us being able to be much more then an annoyance. This was the first expac in a long time where I felt a sense of urgency at defeating the final boss.
They did, thats why we got Shadow Lands. So please never again.
I would've been pleased if arthas somehow was rescued form the maw and, right when the heroes are about to be beaten by mal'ganis, steps in and finally kills the demon himself. Would've made sense since arthas' and mal'ganis' rivalry goes way back, and would've been a cool redemption move and a satisfying ending. Besides, arthas said he'd hunt mal'ganis to the ends of the earth, and the shadowlands seem like a pretty "ends of the earth" dimension.
Jailer about to put landing blow, camera is in front of him, a sword pierces his heart. "What......are... you doing....?" - Jailer
"Succeeding you, Zovaal."
Jailer drops dead, Arthas stands supreme behind, does a lil pose, kisses Jaina, then sits on throne all badass.
You know what? You're right. If Garrosh got to have a moment like this, feels like Arthas should get one too. Garrosh's moment didn't try to redeem him, but DID celebrate the parts of him that were admirable, and this seems like it would have done something similar without even needing to change the basic arc of the story as they designed it. Simply a missed opportunity!
Apparently they don't think about this though.
And is fuckinf rich that Sylvanas get to say those lasts words about him. They ruined not only him but Uther and Sylvanas completly for me
Literally you should write for blizzard 😂 that’s so good
Am I the only one that was upset over the treatment of Arthas? No final goodbye from HIS LOVE JAINA (standing RIGHT THERE! and she had a arc in BFA about her guilt!) and his master Uther not being able to say final words to him. What a utter disappointment!
*Arthas sparkling little soul*
LOOK HOW THEY MASSACRED MY BOY!
Arthas is literally blizzard , great story driven to the point of a small flicker through time . Though alot has happened you will still be remembered as the GOAT
They still hate him in Stratholme doh. 😄😄👍🏻
Arthas was such an iconic chracter, i have never played WoW and i liked him the most. Can’t believe they killed the lore
"Never again will a Lich King reign in ice crown"
Lol that still kills me, way to retcon the big expansion everyone liked. But yeah Zhoval is a dumb villain. May the name "Shadowlands" fade to darkness
New expansion confirmed. "Absence of the lich king". The scourge now roams free and destroys everything. :D
If that is true then their homeland must have already been annihilated by the Scourge.
i'm fukin tilted AFFFFFFFFFFFFF. i'm a fukin big fan of the scourge and lich king. the only reason i even bought this FKN TRASHHHHH
its been 14 years since wrath released,pretty sure players would have killed every undead in Northrend by now.
@@Ragnaar_ yes! With zombie dragonssss!!!
Jailer: A cosmos divided will not survive what is to come,
Everyone: You could have told us something millennia ago, you know
Sounds like that small minor character Sargeras. Wasn't he one of those vendor NPCs?
@@Athelarius At least Sargeras actually told the Titan Pantheon what was wrong _(before killing them, at least)_
Having a hard time with a few things here. First being the lack of respect being shown to Arthas. Leaving him in a wisp without any means of communication back, even if it was for a short while, is dissatisfying.
Second, the fact that Jaina, the absolute love of his life, one of the most powerful Alliance characters in the lore, a character whose plot lines thus far over the past 15 years mainly revolved around Arthas in some way, was given no dialogue. It here reeks of incompetency on behalf of the WoW team at Blizzard.
Third, the fact that Sylvanas was given some sort of redemption arc, when, unlike Arthas and the Lich Kings before him, was enslaved and unable to break from the bondage, is garbage. One of the most amazing things about Sylvanas' character is the fact that she broke free. At the same time, breaking free means she was going to be held accountable for all of her actions, despite her grief and position.
No one forced Sylvanas to do the things she did. No one forced her to burn down Teldrassil. I admit, she didnt asked to be killed by the Lich King either. Nor did she ask for an eternity of zombie servitude after being killed. But she allowed herself to be consumed by vengeance even after she had free will.
The main point that Sylvanas' dialogue showed that she is still immature about her position is the fact that she kept speaking to and about Arthas in a negative light (no pun intended). What has always been a pivotal fact is that the Lich King is separate from the "person". Arthas was no longer Arthas the man when he put on the helm. He became a different entity that was the result of something which was created and that we learned about back in the Dreanor expansion. In essence, Arthas died the moment he put on the helm. Arthas' legacy shouldn't be tied to the Lich King anymore than Bolvar's legacy should be.
You are aware that Arthas did suspicious things even before he placed the Helm of Domination on his head, right? And he apparently had no remorse for doing them.
I love Arthas as a villain. And I do agree that Blizzard pushing Sylvanas the way they did was just wrong. Especially since her arc ended in Wrath, there was no reason to bring her and the forsaken back. But the way the WOW fandom almost idolizes Arthas and keeps talking about how he was a hero with the heart of gold who just wanted to do the right thing is just...wrong. An interpretation such as this, not only makes Arthas's character weaker, it also weakens the whole plot of Warcraft 3.
Illidan Stormrage is a much better candidate for a redemption arc, which is why I'm glad they did him right in Legion.
Now remember folks like Ion said, This was all planned from the beginning and they totally didn't skip a patch so what we got was what they wanted to give us. Imagine the BBEG of and expansion having less than 50 lines throughout the whole thing.....
So overall, Sylvanas opened a door to shadowlands and kidnapped the most popular characters. None of those characters died. Sylvanas got her soul complete and the big bully died. The whole expansion made 0 progression on the story.
I'm glad they did that, so that we can forget this expansion ever existed
Short recap of the expansion, Tyrande is ok now, Sylvanas is not cunning anymore and Anduin was forced to ripen up by a fever dream.
yep, this makes the Afrasiabi theory more plausible
@@barator03, can you elaborate, please?
Facts
The last scene of arthas being freed from the sword and sylvannas saying that arthas will be forgotten made me cried sooo hard, and I hated it!, I hated this expansion, blizzard wasted a strong potential character to be redeemed but noo... Being mind controlled = bad. Committing atrocities after atrocities and genocide = not act of evil and has the right to redeem them.
Man I wish they made a better ending for him
He was still a monster controlled or not. And he deserved his pathetic ending 😂😂😂😂. And so nice to see arthas pathetic fanboi crying.
Shadowlands had so much potential... And blizzard didnt even use 1% of it. It's so sad. I'm still wondering what Talanji, Alleria, Vereesa and many other characters are doing in SL
And what about the Scourge? Never again a lich king will rule over icecrown so are the undead just gonna go ahead and kill us all?
Mate they can´t handle 3 character plots, much less to make a "world" that feels alive and rich
@@pedrogrillo Necromancer class for next expansion. They rise up and help control them now to prevent that from happening... lol jk. Even that nonsense I just spouted is too creative for the modern WoW team.
@@acronen hahaha
@@pedrogrillo nah, since the Jailer is responsible for their creations, his destruction will destroy them all.
When [Illidan/Sargeras/Zovaal] saw the threat posed by the [Burning Legion/Void/10.0 Threat], he was forced to take drastic action, betraying the [Night Elves/Titans/Pantheon of Death] and creating the [Illidari/Burning Legion/Mawsworn].
Universal guide to create plot in WoW? Who's the author of this magnificent genius?
Don’t forget Overmind / Xel’Naga / Swarm.
@@Reinshark To be fair that was first.
And they can’t even bother to explain or reveal this new 10.0 threat! What a joke
We also have the [Night Elves/Dragon Aspects/Nightborne] who have to give up their [Immortality/Aspect powers/Nightwell] to aid in the defeat of [Archimonde/Deathwing/Gul'dan]. Plus, we also have a trail for [Garrosh/Sylvanas] where Tyrande is the prosecutor, and despite a fair judge like [Taran Zhu/Arbiter Pelgaos], the offender still escapes permanent punishment.
2:40 - 2:50 I swear these 10 secons feel like briefly coming back from 10 years of feverish alzheimer.
Why did you do that to Arthas??? I cant believe it... I will always remember his ascention to the Frozen Throne as his most epic moment ever, not the aberration that you have made with him in this expansion.... Years of a good character.... Destroyed in a few seconds... I will never forgive Blizzard for this
Destroyed in a few seconds? Arthas was defeated once in Frozen Throne and again in Lich King. To plot rez him again would be to erase those victories, player victories.
I thought this was perfect--he goes out not with a bang but a whimper.
@@alphablitz1024 saying to Arthas "may no one remember your name" seems a good end to him? Obviouslly you did not play Warcraft 3 19 years ago, Arthas did not deserve that end... And if you think he did... You are as trash as Blizzard writters
Sylvanas: Even though in the end you were being controlled just like I was, I get redemption and you don't. Lul may no one remember your name hurr durr
@@alphablitz1024 yeah thought that too. Was really cool how it ended tbf
I’m just sad how they done Arthas, was so hyped to finally see him and all we get was a blue fart 💨
Right. Maybe that is his wisp form and he is part of the night elves. He can never be gone though. He will come back.
Walked away in 2010-2012 no regrets and the lore left before we did and it's still missing
For the love of the Universe, could someone, please, put Magni in the Jailer fight cinematics crying about the blood of Azeroth?
woonz
Captain Grim! We need you!
If anyone could do it, it’d be Captain Grim.
Champion! We need ye
Just remember while you are painstakingly trying your best to write a college thesis or best selling novel, not only does this expansion exist, someone was PAID to make it.
same with the Disney writers who were paid for the line, "Somehow Palpatine Returned."
Like many people, Arthas was so sick of hearing Sylvannas talk that he just up and deleted himself.
Argh! At this point danuser can write anduin being gaped by wrathion while silvanas and jaina eat shit of each other’s faces and he would still keep his job.
Microsoft really is our last hope to save WoW.
Lmao WoW and Cod fans have the same thing incommin. Microsoft be our saveir
Did you forget what happened with Rare? 🪦
It is over, close the coffin and bury it. ⚰
@@ThermalVoid dammnnn my iconic n64 gamea banjo kazuioo and conkers bad fur day 😭
@@ThermalVoid argh! They seem to be doing fine with sea of thieves tho.
I'm currently writing a sci-fi/fantasy book, if there's something that i learned with these last expansions and character development, is that i don't want to fck up my own characters and stories the way blizzard did.
I will remember him forever as the deepest character in the WoW lore who never had the redemption he would have deserved. I will remember him in a time where lore was good as i could never accept things such Sylvanas'fandemption arc or Arthas'soul evaporation.
The redemption Arthas needed was having him use some of the last energy he had to save Anduin from the mournblade. That's it. That's all the writers had to do in order to give a meaningful ending for him. And it would've better explained his.. simply fading at the end, having genuinely given the last of himself to save another. He couldn't save his people, but just this once.. He can save someone else's.
@@krel7160
Your version of these events is just soo awesome, and yet heartbreaking in the best way.
Blizzard failed everyone with this sacrilege.
@@FBI-1987 Seriously! All they had to do was replace Varian with Arthas! That's it! :(
@@krel7160
Heck, they didn't even need to do that, just show Arthas in front of Anduin, say something like "I will not fail this time", put his hands on the sword, then have Anduin do the splitting thing.
@@FBI-1987 "This curse is not yours to shoulder, son of Varian. I may have failed my people then.. but I will not allow his to falter."
I think this expansion could have been great, they didnt need the jailor, they never did. they had a story in front of them, the idea that after being cast into the maw arthas' soul could have become even more corrupted, that perhaps arthas' soul could have been corrupting the rest of the shadowlands and the goal would be to put his souls to rest. that would have been far more compelling.
This would've made a lot of sense too thematically. Cata and MoP were kind of vanilla expansions/overhauls. WoD and Legion had ties to TBC and then BFA and Shadowlands had ties to WotLK. Now we have Dragonflight which again is about an expansion of the vanilla game and a bit of a callback to Cata with the Dragon Aspects.
I cant wait for the machinima and fan made videos so we can get a proper ending to this calamity.
Blizzards announcement at 4:42 to forget Arthas,well we won't fck ya!
Shame how they did Arthas like that. He deserved to comeback and help defeat Zoval
Is this how Blizzard handles their best character? I'm speechless. Arthas didn't deserve this.
He did. He was a mass murderer. Do you wish to celebrate that?
@@El-Dorado930 A fictional mass murderer with the best writing and their most popular character. Also it's debatable whether it was him or Ner'Zhul who is responsible for all the killing, with contradicting evidence.
@@El-Dorado930 I feel like you're simplifying the whole "Arthas is the Lich King" situation, it's really not that simple. Arthas, like other Deathknights and followers of the Scourge, is placed under hypnosis and is forced to do the Lich King's bidding. It overrides his own will. We don't even know which parts are really Arthas' and which are from Ner'Zhul. All we have to go on are some clues like Arthas' child spirit underneath ICC in Icecrown.
@@robertsandee3349 Nah. Blizz made it clear that Arthas consumed Nerzhuls soul when he put on the helm of dominantion. That's why Nerzhul wasn't in the maw. He wasn't 'mind controlled', it was all him. Anyway, this was just bad writing by Blizzard because of the ambiguity.
@@El-Dorado930 That's their retcon with the newer expansions, which is why I ask why they treat their best character in this way.
sylvannas: forget about arthas now that I am back and good .
the entire wow fans: no, I dont think I will.
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This won’t be the end of arthas. They know it, as sad as it sounds, it’s their milking cow… he will return somehow as messed up as things are in blizzard, he’ll come back. And yes, I’ll probably be disappointing or whatever, but I’m already ready for that and be really happy to see what else I can get from him
My son. The day you were born, the very forests of Lordaeron whispered the name, Arthas. My child. I watched you with pride, as you grew into a weapon. Of rightousness. Remember, our line has always ruled with wisdom, and strength. And I know that you will show restraint, when exercising your great power. But the truest victory, my son, is stirring the hearts of your people. I tell you this, for when my days have come to and end. You, shall be king.
blizard needs to be so happy we can no longer see how many dislike video has :D
addoons can solve that
You literally still can.
theres a chrome extention that shows the dislikes like before
What a horrible fate for him. Arthas. He went through all that in life, and in death, and then after death his soul was tormented, and slowly devoured until he was a single candle flicker. Then after facing those that he wronged, that sliver of his soul doesn't get a afterlife... nor even the comfort of oblivion. His sliver of his soul just ceases to exist entirely... and history won't even record his name. Damn... that's brutal.
The most legendary Final Boss of warcraft... What a terrible end.
It's Blizzards message to the world that communism is bad.
You know that hauting theme at 06:05 exists since 2008. It's the original Acherus theme. The music that plays in the background of Ebon Hold. Simply called Ebon Hold General Music. It's incredibly fitting for anything haunting. I still listen to it sometimes..
I had to edit this. Either I put in the wrong timestamp or the video changed XD?
The scene with Anduin genuinely makes me feel emotion. Out of all the side stuff I’ve done helping him, feels good. I just wish Arthas and Jaina or even Uther got to speak.
Yeah, that scene carried so much weight, and the voice acting is A++++, but I agree, that right there is all of WOW in one scene almost, and so little was sad, and by so few.
Even if Arthas couldn't make a return they could've had his soul appear for a few minutes so Jaina and Uther could talk one last time with him before he fades away. A bittersweet ending for Arthas.
Yeah that's the only scene from here that did anything for me. Probably because it was the only little bit well done. Until they cut to the Arthas soul part and slip right back into horrible writing.....
@@Athelarius The truly missed opportunity was not having Arthas be the one to save Anduin in the vision, rather than his father.
It's damn sad to see how far the story of this game has fallen. I played WoW all the way up through Legion. The lore is what kept me interested. Battle for Azeroth and everything after that has taken that interest away.
Everything after Cataclysm has been a mistake.
Yep. I didn't care for a few of the expacs prior to Legion-- Cata and MOP weren't my favorites, WOD just needed more content-- but I've hated everything -after- Legion. I did have a blast in vanilla, TBC, WOTLK, and Legion though.
At this point, even if the Jailer ended up becoming Handsome Squidward in the finale, I would have considered that a *better* ending.
I love the respect Varok gives to his son with the quote "let it be finished" as his son said before rushing the lich king
Sylvanas: Let us be done with this.
Sad, disappointed WoW fans: Yes, please!
I've decided that the end of WC3FT is where the canon ends. It's easier that way. Makes for a good ending to the series.
Remember guys, this is all going according to The Jailer's plan
Trust in the plan guys
Lol. Read that last sentence in the voice of "Stick to the plan, chums!"
Is the Jailer QAnon?
The jailor is part of the illuminati. You see, everyone answers to a higher power. It seems that we don't know who exists at the highest power exactly.
And the scourge, now that the helm of domination has been turned into the crown of wills. Well, now like when they were under bolvars influence, they can be permanently nice. Completely resistant to mind control.
everyone was so hyped for arthas in shadowlands, and they did this... its like pissing on wrath of the lichking. Turning arthas into a fucking lightbulb, and the most badass helmet in the game, the crown of domination, into something that looks like it belongs to a newly boosted human paladin or levelgear. what the fuck.
Saurfang's soul was in Shalamayne and not in The Maw, and nobody will convince me of any other thing *cries in fatal position*
Couldn't even put Arthas on a proper invincible? Had to give my man the undead horse...
"Never again will a lich king reign in icecrown"
and there you have it
never have I become so flacid after a single line
imagine if they did this shit to fucking illadin, imagine if they just permanently killed him off, watch his shitty little blue firework spirit float in the air before some blue elf bimbo says "yeah your'e gonna be forgotten" and it's double cemented by saying "the demon hunters will never be whole again"
you know, in a way I'm glad
I'm glad I stopped two months into this expansion, this never happened. I can die knowing that shadowlands isn't cannon in my heart
this should be it, end it here. You won't, and a lot of people have said this already (probably since og wow was released, always people saying the game is dead and blah blah) but no.
You single handedly told what is arguably considered the most recognizable character your series has ever franchised, and told him to go suck a dick in goodbye land.
I don't think anyone was expecting Arthus or the Lich King to make a massive come back or anything, I didn't expect arthus to come out of the fucking air with a pair of angel rings or for the scourge to T pose and turn into a massive tornado of death
I just wanted my boy Arthus to fucking rest, and I wanted some true representation of the lich king, and for that legacy to either continue or to be put down in a way that is special
but not only did you put that legacy into the hands of a fucking saturday morning villain, you quite literally told us "yeah you see this? never coming back kiddo"
and I'm glad to say I never will
Hate it when a game dies, truly. I can forgive almost all of it. Making Sylvanus a dickbag just so you can do the "urr durr sorry guys I was just mean and angry." Sure, sucks you killed her character but go ahead. Then the mechanical disaster that was WoD? Sure, we can accept some mistakes in how we want our game to continue. Chores? BfA and Shadowlands loves them, I don't, but that's ok.
But no, this is a true death, a permanent one, one that should ring to everyone who has ever played this game that this is the end.
I can now treat those who still play modern WoW the same as I treat FIFA and Battlefield 2042 players
Morons
After Legion: look like Void and the Old Gods masterminded us
After BfA: look like Death was behind everything
After Shadowlands: look like Blizzards running out of story to tell
One of the worst expansion and story broken after WoD
Still hoping Daddy Denathrius ends up as the ultimate villain after all this. His VA, charm, design and everything just oozed supervillainy. Really hoped he would play a major role in the expansion but he got dispatched in Nathria. Hopefully Mal'ganis put Remornia in a safe place and once Denathrius gets out he gets to seductively monologue us into the next expansion.
A expansion set in the lands of the dead.With so much potential,and somehow even now watching the dead of the jailer, i dont what that fuck was his plans,and everything went so smoth for him he got everything rigth, it was a plan so oo complicated it makes sense that no one expect him to success.
2 Whole expansions!!!!!!! to set up the jailer plot,he was behind the Lich king itsellf!!! The most beloved villian in Wow History. We even had to swallow the Sylvanas plot one of the most stupid things writers of wow came out!!!
Theres a hole staff of ppl working on this shit getting pay each day,and this bullshit was the best the came out with....Fuck
they obviously cut this expansion in half and put a new ending on it to finish it and move on. they cleaned house and gave up on this pretty fucking early lol. this was not their full story... they had much more threads, but a patch short and a company much smaller... they had to cut and take their L to move forward.
Just think hardy anything from this expansion ," let alone the last few," weren't even original. No new or original ideas what so ever. Just fighting the same villains over and over again. Their Just piggy backing and ruining the epic original story for their own personal gain. Passion for creation of anything new and original is lost. It's no surprise that the magic and wonder is lost. It's a disappointment.
sylv is a better story than arthas
His plan is pretty simple to figure out just by watching his last moments.He wanted to bind all 6 cosmic forces to his will and unite them,as he believes 7th force that is outside of reality is as powerful as all of them combined.And since 6 forces right now are in constant war,he is sure that the moment 7th force invades it would be doom for all.
When he was imprisoned and even when he was at his last breath,he wasn't angry at them,he was disappointed that they couldn't see what he has seen.
From his point of view,we are evil,as we are constantly hindering his plan and that hindering will eventually cause destruction of everything first ones created.
The story was horrible makes me wonder why they even had the delay for the new expansion. I don't want to hear because covid that's a multi-billion-dollar company they can easily operate even from home to make a decent expansion.
Would have been satisfying to see Arthas make a comeback and get a second chance at life, since y'know. His mind was hijacked by like two or three different entities (The Legion, The Lich King, The Jailer) and many of his actions were simply not his own. That "freed" scene was perhaps the most unfair and most heartbreaking end that a hero could ever have when all they ever wanted from the start was to literally ease the suffering of his people and fight for justice.
How can you play a whole expansion and have no idea what the point of any of it was??? I feel ripped off