The 2021 Genesis GV80 is a significant problem for the Mercedes GLE & BMW X5!
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- Опубліковано 11 лип 2024
- MotoMan drives the first ever SUV from Genesis: The 2021 Genesis GV80! This one the more powerful Genesis GV80 with the 3.5 Twin Turbo V6 and AWD. Picking up from where we left off in the GV80 TECH REVIEW, MotoMan presents more details about the engine, suspension and what he directly learned from the Genesis engineers behind the car and is presented with a challenging question in a round of our famous #OptionsGame . . .
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fk the badge. who else gives 100k mile warranty ? and it looks better than all of em.
I own a G70 in Canada and have nothing but good things to say about the car and the dealership experience. I do know that American owners can't say the same and do hope Genesis gets that part sorted out soon. These new SUVs from Genesis will really make the brand stand out and wish them all the success.
Whereabouts in Canada? I am in Edmonton Alberta and the closest service centre for the GV80 I have pre-ordered is Leduc Hyundai. That dealership is awful. I read complaints about its sales and service department probably two or 3 times a week on the towns local "Rant & Rave" Facebook page. To be honest.... the lack of a sales center or service center is the thing that worries me most. It's almost as thought Genesis is testing the waters.... not willing to commit in case their brand crashes and burns. The way it is currently, they could close up shop with minimal damage and leave us all high n dry. This isn't a Tesla...... these automobiles require more servicing etc...
That GV80 is what I believe the Infiniti JX60/QX60 should’ve eventually evolved into. The power, detailed aesthetics, & value in Genesis products lets me know they’re serious about what they’re bringing to market to grab their share and shake things up; I absolutely love it.
Anyone who thinks this isn't going to sell because of the badge clearly hasn't seen the $10K dealer markups and month-long waitlists for the Telluride and Palisade, which already go past the $50K threshold.
Wait so they go for $60k with dealer markups? That’s going into the GV80 pricing territory
Just traded my 2020 MDX purchased a few months ago (brand new) for the Palisade calligraphy. The Palisade simply wipes the floor with the MDX in almost every respect.
i had so much bs getting a Palisade . its a stunner,but i could poke the dealers/salesmen in the eyes
@@terryolay4613 beautiful choice, congratulations!
I see no markups on tellurides in Chicago. I see slight discounts
I'd rather get a maxed out $72,000 GV80 than a base X7. I want a modern interior filled with tech features. Giving me a base model that shouldn't even be on the market is almost insulting.
The GV80 isnt in the same size category as an X7
Its the size of an X5
Someone else said but the gv80 competes with the x5 not the x7
The x7 looks way better
@@yes8032 I don’t agree, this looks much better. Gives me Bentley vibes. X7 looks like a bloated up x5.
what very well equipped Porsche can you get with $70k..??...any comparable build I tried goes well over 80k...
I have an acquaintance who recently purchased well-equipped Porsche Cayenne S with a price tag of $89K.
Can’t be done
You’re right! No Porsche for 70k will offer anything close to this level of luxury, overall materials and tech.
Yah look up genesis GV70 sport (375hp) Looks like Porsche Macan for a lot less
yes but a Porsche has better build quality and to me the technology is much better. But genesis has a compelling option.
The GV80's looks and quality seriously make me feel like a million dollars. It's been a long time since a car has made me literally ache because of how gorgeous it looks.
$70,000 for a Porsche instead? Sure, if you want a 4-cylinder Cayman/Macan with only the options you'd expect standard at that price, lol.
I own a G90 (bough used 2yrs, 5k miles for 42k - unbeatable for that price), drove both the Cayman and Macan. Genesis is way above them with regard to the quality of the assembly and interior. If you want a comparable Porche, you'll end up around 90-100k with all the options. The GV80 will be a steal once they come off the 2-3yr leases with little miles at 50% of the price. Not sure about it at the current price point though (that's true for any new large SUV).
Search new Gv70, which is in same segment with macan
Nothing compares to what the Koreans are doing. They are undercutting everyone else with their price but they are not cheating out on quality and features and wow factor. When was the last time the Germans had a true rival?
Yea I’d get a fully loaded macan
@@yes8032 I’d get a fully loaded Macan GTS too but I don’t have 150k to spend on a small vehicle yet 😂
i have to disagree with you 70k argument. no one is spending 70k to own a base BMW x7 and no one trying to buy a two/three-row SUV is cross-shopping it with a coupe, common son. if that were the case, the coupe would be the highest-selling type of vehicle in the world...
I think you're focusing too much on the fully loaded price. $55,000 gets you 2.5T(More than enough power to putter around the kids to the grocery store) with AWD, heated and cooled seats, a panoramic sunroof, and most of the standard safety tech. $60,000-$65,000 gets pretty much all the features that matter with the V6 Turbo. Even then, no one is cross shopping a $70,000 luxury family CUV with a $70,000 BMW Coupe. I mean, come on man.
Something tells me you will enjoy our upcoming G80 episode.
@@MotoManTV I can't wait to see how they'll update the G90. We got to a point where even the G80 has a pretty amazing interior with great materials all around.
@@iSOBigD The GV80 has a better interior than the G80 (seriously, manual side shades?), but it is also a few thousand dollars more...
@@MotoManTV 😆
Damn this color combo is exactly how I’d want to get the GV80 in!
I own a BMW and I would buy the 3.5T without the third row seat in a heartbeat. I want the size of the GV80, without a useless third row seats.
The GV80 third row is not useless, even for adults (women)...
I agree that i find third row of little value unless you have small kids; no use for me
This guy is so much more technical than most other reviewers. Why is there a bomb on the floor?
Those are supplemental fuel tanks for the military trainers in the hangar . . . And thanks for the kind words . . .
Moto man great seeing you again! Missed your shows! Great review on this SUV
Great Job. I truly enjoy your logical analysis. What I like about your product reviews is that you cover
All the facts that is important to me without being overly detailed or redundant
I stated this before. I’m honestly pleased that you seem to be doing well after your terrible accident
For me personally, this is far and away better than anything in its class. Let me just say if you're getting a luxury mid-size SUV you should not be purchasing it for the most torque power, best racing or handling. That has become a different category in its own if that is a priority for you. Just as long as it performs well enough to merge you onto a speeding highway you should be happy with it. You should be purchasing it for comfort, style, tech features and comfort of driving and of course price.
In a class where everything is cookie cutter in terms of design from 20K-70k, the gv80 stands out or like you said, a presence when it walks in the room. My current car is a range Rover sport and I have been looking for the past year for a luxury mid-size vehicle under 70k. I reserved the 2.5 prestige package which I think is about 62k, back in June and they kept pushing the release date back. I did not want to wait so I continued to search and nothing compared with it when it came to style, tech or price. Not Jaguar, bmw, mercedes, cadillac, Maserati, infiniti, lexus or aviator. The aviator came close but the crazy tech surpasses anything aviator offers. I searched for a good month and nothing had what the gv80 brings in terms of style and tech.
You get out of the car, push a button and it will park itself. They told me I will be receiving it by the end of November. Before anybody replies, if you are a badge loyalist you can just save your time because I am not and I will not waste my time with somebody defending a vehicle for the pure sake of wanting to be a company man with a blind allegiance. Sorry, not sorry.
That part👆🤭😌
You inform, humor, and educate...well. Thank you.
Picking up my new 19K Ibiza blue genesis 3.8 sedan this week. Its got all the options possible with only 50k miles. Highly recommend!
Beautiful, inside and out!
I can't wait to test drive it.
I'd rather spend the money on a reliable brand and by now Genesis has proven itself to as reliable, if not more, than any established luxury brand.
Of course they have✨😁. They topped the industry for quality and vehicle dependability studies. That's what got my attention. Now I'm a fan
Designwise, this is a home run IMO. The interior, in particular, is significantly ahead of BMW and Audi. The latest Audi interiors, in particular, are a mess with the excessive use of black plastic. BMW fails by using the same, uninspired interior across its entire product range.
Said it many times, would love to see more satin finish wood in Audis.
I don’t care for the grill. I feel like bmw gets trashed for their grills, this is getting a pass
@@aynsleyjeansonne IMO the difference is the entire design. BMW is going bold on the outside and very conservative on the inside. This design works for me as it appears to be a far more cohesive design than what BMW is producing these days.
it feels more equivalent to a mercedes, materials wise. even audi and BMW still have outdated looking interiors
I am not an SUV kind of guy but if I do it, the GV 80 will be it. I've owned German brands as well as spent some time as a service rep for three of the five Germans. I will gladly take my chances with the Genesis.
Great technical review Motoman. I learned a lot. I never knew about body panels and power drives until you explained it.
Nothing then a fresh MotoManTV to get me through my morning at work
Thanks, Richard . . and just for the kind words, you're getting an extra episode next week . . . :)
I love the round engines in the background, of which I've flown a few!
Would definitely want the third row in the fancy model...for sure.
I have been driving Mercedes exclusively for the last two decades. The most recent were the ML550, CLS550, S550 and now the GLE 450 coupe. Since the new G80 and GV80 were revealed I have been giving serious consideration to making one of them my next car.
Loolks like a home run for Genesis
Great overview 👍
Did I understand you correctly, the top of the line trim does NOT include the 3rd row? I am eagerly awaiting the GV80 to arrive to check it out as a possible replacement for my current lease (up in late November). I absolutely love the 2021 X5 4.0i, but it;s third row is barely usable for small children...so I am hoping the G80 is better (fully loaded).
I tip my hat off to interior design team, the attention to the details with the combination of horizontal lines, knurling, bright work, matt wood, jubilee style pedals, the minimum amount of piano black create & the way they integrated the screens create an elegant interior. Bravo! The steering wheel is my not cut of tea, but I can live with it.
Kudos to the color and trim folks & whomever spec'd this fine specimen.
I can see it taking away sales from the 2nd tier manufacturers, but the "prestige of the badge" starts to weighs in at the 70k mark, just look at how many base X5s running around. The Genesis team must market the heck out of it & preferably avoid celebrities all together.
I find the exclusion of the 3rd row from the top dog very peculiar. Its not like it'll come with executive seats or a bigger fuel tank (OG X5 M).
As always, excellent work, M.
Keen eye on the 'jubilee style pedals' . . . one of my favorite details
@@MotoManTV Yessir. Saw it in your previous video and I couldn't get it out of my head.
Who gives a care what other people think. For 70 grand if it's a quality and beautiful car to me. I'm buying it!
Exactly, Genesis reliability is a 10, your bank account will thank you for it. I own a 2017 G90 5.0 Htrac Ultimate, they can keep a S-Class, BMW 7 Series, Audi A8, Lexus LS. Genesis is in a league of its own.
with the GV80 coming out then the new Acura MDX (and Type S version) next year, this segment is really heating up. Lexus and Infinti really need to update their current line-ups.
Not sure about Lexus but I have seen the new Infinitis.
The new MDX and the GV80 arent the same size, the MDX is way larger
And honestly this GV80 has a totally different design philosophy...its luxury is way ahead of anything Acura has coming
People are confusing the GV80 for a Bentley...no one is confusing an MDX for a Bentley
I wish that new MDX were out. It is the GV80 and the 2021 MDX that I have narrowed down my choices to. I would lean more towards the Acura side for purchase price, SH-AWD and resale. I have however had a GV80 on pre-order since January.
@@beri232 MDX will be in dealers in February.
@@joecool9739 you're right about one thing. The GV80 doesn't have real massage seats, air suspension, 48V Mild hybrid and they make you wait until the $72K package to get the full digital cluster, which the MDX will have standard and also have the other options available including massage seats for both driver and passenger while the GV80 doesn't even offer same adjustability for both driver and passenger. The 25 speaker audio on the MDX with ambient lighting in the speakers will be superior to this audio system. Definitely different levels of luxury.
Damn it looks amazing
I would want the 7 seat option in the higher end model. At least the option
I agree. Even if it's an emergency third row for the few times in a year I may need it.
@@jlwagon The third row is actually not bad. Just noticeably low on headroom for taller adults...
@BLACKVIEW USA Yeah, I have children and in-laws who all like to visit at the same time, and running multiple cars in the city is a pain. Having the option for when they come is a need for me. Thanks for your input.
Just saw one on the road in Los Angeles. Loved everything except for the oversized chrome strip along the side. A bit too blingy cheesy.
Have you driven the new 2022 Acura MDX? Would like to see how it stacks up to the GV80. Nice reviews
I'm so glad your deep diving into the Genesis brand.... I think your completely correct about the $70K mark and the badge comparison between BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, Audi. There
are so many GREAT choices at that price point that I'm also not sure how the Genesis brand will fit in! I think the value for the dollars spent is there and if you're not hung up on the
brand name then YES Genesis is appealing! I'm looking at another SUV right now and plan to purchase a vehicle in 1st quarter 2021 so I'm definitely interested! The longevity and
reliability of the brand means quite a lot to me and after warranty cost and problems are a concern with the German brands! We like to hold our cars and don't turn them every 3-5 years
so after warranty issues and cost are important to us!
Anyway thanks again for a great review George! Looks like the leg is healing and your moving around much better my friend!
Take care and God Bless!
TC Boyle
For $70k I would get this vehicle without second guessing. Quiet, roomy, good power, elegant, etc.. I find it hard to justify the bmw or mb price tag with this GV80 in existence. The only thing I would of liked to heard you talk about was ride quality. I’ve read some mixed reviews on that.
Can’t get air suspension that’s more sporty and adaptive is a reason
These cars are perfect. PLEASE let them know to not increase the price in line with the Germans in 5 years so someone can always offer cars at a decent price.
Right on time
Yes Motoman, there will always be those who pride themselves on BADGE recognition over the real value of what something is worth! I don't happen to be one of them. It's probably why I chose to buy a Hyundai,...Great quality, good driving dynamics, lots of tech & safety kit, and the best warranty in the industry. I don't care about snob appeal, I care about what's in the vehicle, how safe it is & what kind of tech' does it have. Hyundai/Kia & now Genesis are proving to those that think like me as well as to those who normally wouldn't consider buying a HYUNDAI, because the badge on the front grille is not Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi. But more than that everything in the vehicle works as advertised unlike some of the famous German makes mentioned.For my money this Genesis GV80 & for that matter all of their other models are great cars & SUV's,...With quality that's supercedes those other makes, & with all the tech' and safety systems one could ever need.And their all great values, as my Hyundai is as well. Great thorough break-down of this great vehicle like all your other reviews, & why I subscribe to your channel!...Keep up the outstanding work!!!!!
@MotoManTV, I was wondering if you heard/know if they are going to offer this New GV Series with a V8?
No not for the GV80 but maybe for GV90 that they are working on for the future.
Can't wait for this thing to be available for a test drive. Wonder what the best exterior / interior color combo is.
Well I can tell you Arctic blue and dune interior With the prestige package is extremely hard to find in the Dallas-Fort Worth area and anyone that hits the lot is already presold . I was lucky and found one in Kansas it will be shipped next month
Another one of those mysterious corporate calls to include/exclude options in the top trim...
Prestige trim should DEFINITELY give you a 3rd row option. Are you kidding me Hyundai?? What were you thinking
I agree with your contention of purchasing at this price range being heavily brand based, but hopefully cars like this will allow Genesis to become one of the more sought after brands, as their reputation improves.
wait a sec, if it's quieter than a gel or x5, than it is life changing( for bmw and Mercedes) and I am going to buy one
I agree with the other comments that the sweet spot is somewhere more in the middle with the V6 retained. I believe the challenge for this vehicle will be more in house than outside. Those that have driven other competitors (BMW, MB, etc) sometimes gravitate more to that dynamic feel even though they are more expensive. However, those that do not might have a harder time justifying this much higher price vs the Hyundai and Kia Telluride offerings which have similar content and functionality since those buyers are already making the value choice. I'm not saying the vehicles are the same but at a reduced price i feel the Palisade and Telluride make an even more compelling case than Genesis vs European brands.
Gorgeous SUV
What is with Rick Case in Georgia with a $10,000 market adjustment above sticker for a G 90? I guess they will be playing games with the GV 80’s also.
Rick Case dealerships also double the warranties to 20 years/ 200,000 miles. Hard to beat that.
Bruce knock off the $10,000. I’ll never own a Genesis over 10 years. That’s a heck of a Extended warranty.
Any thoughts on ride quality between 20 and 22 inch wheels?
Until Genesis has stand alone dealerships, sales are going to lag. They’ve been promising those dealerships for nearly four years again.
Really liking the 72k fully loaded. One but that curb weight is seems high
Silhouette of a Bentley Bentayga, very nice.
Thats because two ex Bentley designers (Luc Donckerwolke and Lee Sangyup) are the main designers for Genesis
I picked up my GV70 sport prestige last weekend. It’s a magnificent vehicle. Regarding the German rivals, I had no interest in any of them. Maybe I’m odd, but German cars just don’t feel right to me. It could be they’re too stiff or I don’t like the controls, but I don’t enjoy driving them. My wife owned a BMW for five years. The BMW dealer was arrogant, expensive, and difficult to deal with. That ended any interest in BMW for me.
Btw, there’s a center console screen you can select that shows the relative power sent to each wheel. It sends equal power to all wheels while starting, then it gradually shifts to RWD.
I think that it would have been nice if the top model could have provided way more leg room and lay almost flat as a chauffeur mode or something
The third row isn't a big deal in a midsize SUV but if this was a full size than yes, I think a full size needs to competitive to a caddy/Lincoln. But for this gv80 I think that 2 rows works for now until customer demand grows
The single most interesting feature on the new G80 and GV80 is the AR Navigation. Seen them on the Korean model. But NONE of the US journalists show any of it. Is there an agreement with Genesis or something? How could everyone miss this key feature?
Would it be to much trouble to make them perfect and build a hybrid version with at least 32 mpg city? I guess yes
Voice commands? Test playlist for audio?
I really want this thing to wipe the floor with the competition. Genesis deserve this win
I wish they offered that nice NA V8.
I'll take it beautiful suv
I have recently bought GV 80 advanced.. traded my BMW …Love the car no more Bmers for me
I’m only interested in six seaters. It’s a shame they don’t have the third row option in the premium model.
This is the review of the year for me, I have been a genesis fan since its creation and wish that this would have came 2 years ago
I already have the Palisade.. this is like the fancy cousin. I'm interested in your G80 insights.
Different platforms
#perfection
What is the depreciation forecast for this Genesis brand? Low like Lexus or high like Range Rover?
If you want a vehicle whose value won't plummet, Lexus all the way.
There are still a lot of brand whores out there that dont want to associate themselves with a Kia/Hyundai/Genesis product.
The comments section does give me hope.
The big grill and front end design looks much better on a SUV versus the G80 sedan in my opinion. Overall I think the GV80 looks good. I’d like to see a little more power for this segment. Especially in their top trim model. Over 400 horsepower should be a given considering that you can get a Ford Explorer with more horsepower than this. Overall it’s a nice vehicle but I don’t know if it’s got enough to make me choose one over something else.
Can anyone please talk about the reliability of the 3.5TT engine on this vehicle?
I find it very logical, that Genesis only have the 3rd row seats in the 3.5 V6. You need more power when you are 7 people in the car. What I don't get, is the lack of captain's chairs on the second row. That should be an option. At least in the top version.
I'd def take this over x5 and gle
I would rather have a spare tire than a third row seat. Can't get both.
You mention the third row seat is not available in the highest trim.... I was told it was standard on the highest trim models here in Canada. That’s right from the sales reps mouth. I would actually prefer the spare tire over a third row myself.
That is entirely possible . . . the spec and trim information I share with you - unless otherwise specified with the many German market Porsches we feature - are all US market. I have noticed sublet packaging differences with many manufacturers across our northern border. The best source on those differences is our Canadian friend and sometimes Guest Host @BrianMakse
It’s weird that they don’t provide 3rd row as a option for Prestige trim. What’s the point of having that feature if you don’t let people add it (for additional price of course) to whatever trim they select.
Is the V in GV80 for Vagen?
I would've liked a 3rd row in the top range model. That alone immediately destroyed my desire for this vehicle. I'll be getting the next gen Acura MDX instead.
@Mr.Tweezy007 as much as I enjoyed having a Suburban and an Expedition in the past I just realized that when I'm not hauling anything or stuffing tables and gear in to the back, the less floaty nature of the pilot and mdx was more fun to drive everyday. I do love a true body on frame truck based SUV though. The fact that Acura made every improvement I wanted in this new type S is really compelling after all these years.
The GV80 offers a third row option
Actually, the GV80 has a 3rd row available in the highest spec model.
MotoMan, when discussing the $70,000 price barrier of the GV80, you mentioned that you could get a "well equipped Porsche". Really, what Porsche suv???
A lifted Cayman... Or a stripper Cayenne...
When are the first deliveries?!?
Me thinks by the end of the year.
I would take this over the GLE even if the price were closer. I would buy this over the X5 even if I saved 15K on a well equipped X5 (because I don’t like to spend time at the dealer). Sounds like their engines just need a little more tweaking to get to Lexus and German refinement. But if you’re shopping this against the Volvo...it’s Genesis every time because it looks so much better and it doesn’t have the sure to be problematic twin charged unit and it probably handles as well. (Houston has terrible roads and ride in some Volvos is fussy.) I would expect the refresh version to be a really super vehicle.
Looks to American (Lincoln). Also interior is nice, but looks more for older folks and bit boring, especially the steering wheel. Exterior in my opinion will not age well. Overall I would wait for a mid recycle in a few years.
It’s all about preferences theses days with so many options. Don’t sleep on the MDX Type S next year. I know it will have less horsepower, but seems will look much more sportier with the A-Spec edition and Type S. Wider also.
I’m Canada the fully loaded gv80 is 84k. That’s a lot of money for a Genesis (Hyundai/Kia) but compared to German rivals this is bargain.
Would want the 3rd row on top line model. That is a deal breaker
Genesis is on a roll
Hyundai and Kia are on a roll
It’s a brand new car, how did the engine get so dirty?
Same question 🤣
All the car reviews are using same car to drive and do reviews on it. Look at other UA-cam videos they have this same car in review.
People can argue all they want in the comments but let's see how it sells compared to it competitors ... Sole of us will have a good laugh later
Lol, for real, every Genesis that's come out has the Genesis/Hyundai fanboys going on about how it's miles ahead of other luxury vehicles, yet their sales are abysmal. Many aren't going to pay that type of money for a Genesis.
Do we know the gvwr for the section 179 smb tax break?
Nice review What would you get between RX350 or GV80?
GV80 100%
Two time RX owner ….now I’m going in the air tonight….
This car is available in New York City dealerships but the price is very high. Less costs $1200 per month. I've only seen a couple of times on the road. this car will not be sold due to the high price. People won't pay that price for Hyundai
Genesis probably will offer deeper dealer discounts and higher lease cash from manufacturer and much lower money factor. MSRP doesn’t really matter when it come to leasing. After All genesis is a luxury brand and this is their strategy to slowly sway customers from the German 3 brands. Genesis was not created to compete with sub luxury brands like Acura, infinity or even Lexus
Given the pre-orders for this GV80, I doubt that they’ll discount the current MSRP. In fact, with the success of the palisade and telluride, there have been dealer mark ups of those cars rather than mark downs. Will be interesting to see though
Motoman, as a car enthusiast do you weep a bit when reviewing SUV’s?
Only on the inside
My guess is there would be very little demand for a show focused solely on a GT3 Touring:)
@@MotoManTV We do forget that us enthusiasts are a small minority. But we’re right, dammit! 😅
The move to make is wait 3 years as Genesis depreciate like a rock but have a proven track record of reliability and low total cost of ownership. Wait for a 36 month lease trade in with low mileage that is sold CPO for $0.50 on the $ or better yet wait 3 years for the GV70 which should be better in almost every respect to that of the GV80.
This guy sounds so familiar like from a movies or something.
I really like this SUV but I think waiting is the best option in order to get better engine like a v8
Will Genesis be the next Mazda? Good reviews and acceptance by car enthusiasts online but sales numbers not reflective of said enthusiasm? We’ve seen the same with G70 and Stinger too
Some Mazdas do sell very well. Sadly, they are all CUVs.
Looks awesome, but I wonder about reliability and resale value after a few years. I love all these in class, but I'll wait for the new MDX or MDX Type R version.
weighs more than my older g90
Looks like the suv from GTA. Wannabe a bentley
For the over 40 crowd, I see the 'badge' as being less important. Maybe it's a matter of maturity and/or life importance. I'll be replacing my Lexus soon with an SUV. Genesis, along with another Lexus, a Cadillac or a Lincoln are under consideration. Lincoln badge isn't what it once was 40 years ago. Comfort, amenities, style, reliability (as I buy and do not lease) and value (in that order), is what I'll be shopping.
You may want to include the redesigned Acura MDX to your cross-shopping list as well. Their SH-AWD is leaps ahead of others in the same price range and the new models look very appealing. Those are my final choices.... the GV80 or the new MDX
What are you talking about? Lincoln is on a roll
Have you not seen the navigator,nautilus,Corsair,aviator?
4:23 already oil leaked?