Reasonably fair, but Neil did make the choice to sit on a Deere tractor. I'd guess although there are a lot of brands doing it, some of them are brands that Messicks represent, so safer to sit on a tractor that he's not franchise holder for. :-)
One of the best videos that you’ve made so far. About time someone laid out how buying something painted a certain colour can just be flushing good money down the toilet when the original manufacturer is likely cheaper and better supported.
You have hit the nail right on the head!!! I am a satisfied Deere tractor owner but when it comes to implements I prefer to stick with the OEMs like Land Pride, Woods, etc. I have never been a fan of the Frontier line for the reasons you stated. It is just other brand stuff painted green. Another reason is it is riddled with confusion factor. Multiple styles for a similar implement with no real information on why you would choose one over the other. Just look at the selection of rear blades and landscape rakes and it will make your head explode. Multiple implements with very similar specs yet different somehow. What you say about parts and support is dead on. Most JD dealers are very poor at stocking parts for many of the Frontier implements. You are ALWAYS ALWAYS better off sticking with the company that made the equipment as a Land Pride RB1560 will always be a RB1560 and the parts will always be the same.
I’ve got to say that I love these videos and I have a kubota. It is 18 years old. I ordered a part for a kubota implement from Messick’s and they told me it is no longer available. They were especially nice about it. But from what I understand JD has plenty of parts for all of its tractors.
True. The painful truth I have learned. But it needed to be said Neil. Not to mention the proprietary attach systems. Thanks for giving folks the straight goods. Cheers!
Proprietary attach systems have a place. If you're only buying green, and buying your own attachments, their loader attach is actually a bit better. Not in function necessarily, but it weighs less and doesn't compromise lift capacity as much. Deere are a big company, there are plenty of third party attachments for them. However, if you want to borrow your neighbour's attachment and he doesn't own green, then SSQA is better - more likely you can share. Horses for courses and all that.
It would be interesting to know if it's manufactured in China like most of them are the same unit where all the keys fit other tractors including my JD X350 At least this is the way with lawn tractors
Get a part number and google it, oftentimes in the search you'll find a link or several to a generic part and where its made. I've ran across this for just about every part you can think of....sure it may be for brand X because the part number you entered cross referenced to that brand, but if you dig deeper you'll oftentimes find the same part is used on many different brands with hundreds, sometimes thousands of part numbers cross referencing to that same part. I know Kubota likes to build a lot of their own stuff, but I'm sure the common switches, knobs, etc. probably all come from a bulk supplier.
Honestly I completely missed what the point of all this was. Deere uses suppliers to fill out their product line. They rebadge it, sell it through dealers, and warranty it. I couldn’t possibly count the industries that do the same.
5:03 Very good point. Dealer support is Huge. I bought a Frontier disc harrow that was 15 min away AT A VERY GOOD PRICE. The Tufline website says the closest dealer is 120 miles away. When I need a part I need it yesterday. I also have a Frontier rear blade and of course I knew it was a Woods but the Woods dealer is another 45 minutes away and the price was the same. I've also driven past my green dealer to Neil's place when they have an item I need. This orange/green feud is so annoying. What a bunch of middle school girls...
I agree 100 percent we purchased our first tractor 8 months ago we love it's been so useful we watch a lot of tractor how to videos which are great for the most part but comments some not all are juvenile .
@@boobacockaa Dude, he just said same advice - he would buy the original if it's available. As for the rest of your comment, come on, both Deere and Kubota make good machines. Some segments Deere sell more, some Kubota sell more, but they're both selling enough that there's something to them.
I agree that it’s usually better to go direct to the manufacturer (dealer) of the implement, especially when purchasing after your initial tractor purchase. 2 reasons to go with the rebrand: 1. One throat to choke, if you have an issue or multiple parts to round up for maintenance, you have a single stop, and 1 dealer you need to work with. 2. Financing. If you are buying a new tractor and implements, you can fold everything into 1 loan, and get all the attachments together (rebrand and name brand).
The rotary cutters and several other items are made by Tarter USA (not Tater). Built in Liberty Kentucky. For the most part is the same line as County Line equipment at tractor supply.
Is the Tarter implements company the same as the one that makes stock panels? Or totally different companies? I thought County Line, Tarter, and Behlen all were the same? Good stuff, but I thought they shared amongst each other a lot of implements?
Neal ... you looked good sitting on a green tractor. You look just as good on orange tractors... not better ... the same. You are right. The quality of the local dealer is a major part in the buying process.
Local Kubota dealer BX2380 price set at this. Drive 60 miles same BX2380 and a trailer to haul it with same price..... Dealer makes all the difference. A good dealer will tell you who manufactures the stuff they sell and service. It also pays to do a little research before going to the dealer. It is so much easier in this day and age as to who makes what for whom.
Good video! a sort of hit piece. Your last point needs to be heard by other dealers. My experience , in my neck of the woods, is that as soon as you drive in the dealer yard I feel as if the dealer's attitude is one of doing me a favor rather than a respected customer. unprofessional.
Love all the Deere haters on here. Cough Land Pride cough..... I bought Frontier implements when I bought my tractor so I could roll them into my finacing. Do I also shop around and buy cheaper ones at Rural King? Of course just depends on the implement. Don't mind the Yanmar under my hood either. My local Kubota dealer has horrible customer service. That's what drove me green.
@@johniac7078 Yeah they are two separate things but Land Pride is part of Kubota now just like how Dodge is part of Fiat, Kubota makes the equipment because it is their company even if it has a different sticker on it just like Fiat is making Rams and Challengers because they own the company. It seemed like Neil was saying that JD is buying things, I guess wholesale, from the manufacturer that they do not own and then slapping the sticker on.
Does anyone know who makes the frontier brand grapple? I like it as the lower tines aren't as short or too long like other brands but I won't buy green for mx 5800
Not really sure, but my AV20F works great!!! EA is going to say otherwise, but I don't abuse equipment just to post a pic. Neil don't like the green stuff anyhow, so let him have his fun.
Curious about your thoughts on 3rd function valves. I'm looking at a B2601-1 right now, and I see that there's a Kubota part (B1672) and a LandPride part (380-149A). What difference (if any) exists between these? Performance? How it's mounted? Overall integration? I was looking at the install instructions on the LandPride and it looks like it mounts the valve directly on the loader arm... wonder how that plays with the new LA435 Swift-tach as opposed to the LA434? Or if it plays well with the mechanical self-leveling kit?
Everybody does it including Kubota. Maybe the Deere contract keeps some of these business afloat. Buyers can roll implements at a discount into the deal instead of having to go out and source things on their own. I think you did Messick's and yourself a disservice with this video.
I mean its a switch, so who cares who made it in reality if it works get it from the cheapest source...automotive companies do this all the time with general parts, whoever gives them the best deal on a pallet of gadgets is who they'll buy from....however that savings never reaches the consumer, and often times you end up with an inferior product because the company wanted to save money and in the end the company saved 1 cent, the consumer still paid for a quality part that isn't there.
@@MessicksEquip I have about 10 dealers within 1hr,evenly split between JD and Kubota,none of them must be good then. JD dealers carry Frontier only and Kubota only stock Land pride in Orange . JD said they could order Rhino but had to charge me for shipping on each implement. Kubota said they could order me landpride in the neutral tan color but would also charge me seperate shipping. Both brands Would NOT charge shipping on their house color implements. With a few implements the shipping adds up. That was a deal breaker leading me to purchase Frontier compliments for my JD.
Frank Ekas Jr I know you are not asking me, but I did some research into this very question. There really isn’t a good match for the 3046r in the Kubota lineup (or any other brand for that matter). The 3046r has the largest horsepower and lift capabilities in such a small frame size. This isn’t good or bad, it just IS. For example, maybe you need that small frame size...then it is good. Maybe you are concerned about stability, etc. then a larger frame size would be better (L4760, 4052R). Hope that helps.
And to further shed light on how many of the statements in the video and the comment section of this post are false. Frontier is currently using Woods and Befco to make all of their all of their finishing mowers and rotary cutters. All are priced very competitive in the market, and very good quality products.
I feel like the video is misleading. All the parts on these tractors are made by a supplier. Some may be assembled by a manufacturer but the parts that make up these tractors aren’t the brand on the side of the tractor. This is across the board. Do you think kubota makes that steering wheel? The hoods? The seats? The list goes on and on. My point being that manufacturers have specs these suppliers have to meet. This is no different in the case of these implements.
Actually Kubota has made in the US in Gainesville Georgia I worked there for about two years it came in as raw steel it left is a tractor. Of course we didn’tMake all the buttons and glass windows and rubber levers but is far is construction of the units they’re all in house even the Kubota supply chains that deliver things like wheels tires houses are all sourced locally out of the Georgia area
@@MessicksEquip Neil, if you came to Minnesota I would be giving you business! I hate paying for shipping. I am always turning to your website for finding parts and then having to hunt for parts here. Deere needs some competition around me!
Your story is not entirely true. Large companies like Kubota and John Deere do not want to put their names on inferior products. They look for things that meet their approval. If there is a quality problem, they have the clout to get their suppliers to make changes or they will cease to do business with them. What happens if you buy a box blade that you don't like. You probably wouldn't buy another one from the same company anyway, so you have a lot less clout as an individual to make them change a design. Supporting large companies like Kubota and John Deere, helps keep all manufacturers trying to build the best.
Kubota owns Kvereland & Vicon, they bought them in 2012. There are examples of my vendors doing this as well, and I'd make the same points. Its the very first thing I said at the beginning of the video.
Don't forget that alot of your newhollands are the exact same as ls. Like the Boomer series are LS 4100 series. Except for loader being different and new Hollands are marketed up too . So I wouldn't be knocking everyone to much
Neal, Can you provide a the links or background data to prove that frontier is made by other companies. I am interested in your research. I don't have the same resources you have and have not found data to back up your findings. Let me know where you found all this info. thanks
there were the several models I referenced in the video. This is common knowledge to a lot of people, you'll see that if you scroll though the comments here.
I found while selling Simplicity and Ariens that Indak company made the ignition switches for about 90 plus of the lawn and garden industry. unless it is an early example then the had regular keys about like the ignition keys of a 1970s automobile when you still needed two keys to drive and open the trunk or lack the doors
Amen. I had so many garden tractors with Indak keys. I wish my parents''s name was Indak. How do you catch a break like that, to make a simple, flat, stamped key and corner that market. I wish I wish...
What about when larger companies do a joint venture? Is it considered the same? For example such as MacDon... they made SP windrowers for John Deere, Case IH stamped their stickers on their draper heads, etc. I guess with something like that most people know that those machines are MacDons with different stickers and some paint...
in my experience, joint ventures usually have a different commitment level involved.. there is usually some actual engineering happening and resources exchanged. Not a 'stickers and paint' transaction. Usually your talking AG\CE too which has a different tier of expectation of support.
Good video. True and funny. When will we get more information on the b2650 and 3350 being discontinued and the new LX series. The other dealership that done a video on that has removed it.
That's why I like the Dirt Dog brand. They make everything they sell right here in America, they don't just put their sticker on someone else's product. They do some private labeling for some other large companies however; they don't currently build anything for Frontier.
I don't hold any grudge against JD for doing this. The bigger a company gets the harder it is to control every little piece of the company. We see this same rebranding thing in tech all the time. You might think you're buying an HP or Dell or Asus computer, but chances are they all have the same or similar motherboard, hard drive, etc. Luckily, in today's information age it's not too hard to track down reviews and get info on implements. Similar to my preference of buying food from local farms, I like to get implements from US based companies, like Everything Attachments or Woodmaxx. They tend to often be cheaper than name brands like Frontier or Land Pride, but also made sturdier and in the case of Woodmaxx, made by veterans. Hard to beat a higher quality product for cheaper.
This was a very good lesson for me. It makes a lot of sense. I used to be a Deere owner, 20+ years back and JD lost my trust, a topic for another day but your Frontier message just reinforces my position I will not do business with JD again.
I would add that you can get Frontier equipment with a 0% financing when buying a tractor from JD, which is not the case when buying directly from the manufacturer. So at the end of the day, the cost remain mostly the same, whether you choose one or the other.
I recently bought a John Deer rotary cutter it was leaning up against a fence and beside it was a frontier there was no comparison the John Deer MX6 was built like a tank I got it.
Hmm, I never thought this was anything but common knowledge. That said, I like this setup better as it is a direct use of OEM equipment and easy to get parts from the real manufacturer, even if they obfuscate the part numbers. The ones I don't like are the ones who gets stuff from other companies but used some "Proprietary" stuff that the OEM only sells to that vendor so now you can't find cheap parts and if you need XXX it may take a long time as it may not be stocked and it has to go thru more hands and red tape until it finally gets to you.
How would you ever think this is common knowledge when there's so many people that don't know anything about tractors or really care where shit comes from.
And the point is what? I buy a new car. Half of it is made by outside vendors to the car manufacturer. Is this a secret? No. Do I care? No. The nameplate on the car stands behind it.
Absolutely I noticed this! Our closest dealer is Deere/frontier. I much rather drive 30 more miles down the highway to the new holland dealer who hands Woods, Rossi, NH, etc. I have completely cut myself off from Deere because they over price everything!
I could honestly care less who made my Frontier cutter, but I'm certain that it wasn't Tarter. When I bought mine I believe it was Woods who had the contract with Frontier, and at the time it was the same price as the identical looking Woods cutter. Just another JD bashing video as far as I can tell, maybe payback for a well know JD guy also doing comparison videos.
Elk Creek Acres the question should be for most, of it’s built by another company and the only difference is paint and name, Why does it cost 30% more? Better yet, What do you get for 30% more? Just know I’m not an owner of either.
akbychoice when I bought mine it was the same price as the Woods equivalent, therefore I wasn’t expecting 30% more. Now, knowing that Tarter now makes the Frontier cutters I would buy anything but. I bought my Frontier because I was very unhappy with the Tarter that I already had, I was also aware that Woods was the actual manufacturer of this cutter and I know they make good cutters.
I have probably watched 6 hours worth of videos from this channel for the last 2 days. I have heard several jabs at JD in many of these videos. I am a beef farmer and have JD and Massey Ferguson tractors. I also have a Kubota SVL 75 skid steer and New Holland hay equipment. So I’m not a JD fanboy. Things like this turn me off from your UA-cam channel. I see the same thing sitting on your lot in the background in your videos. Rebranded attachments everywhere. It makes for better viewing when your talking about your equipment and what Messick’s offers. Even the tips and tricks segments are awesome. Why you have to be throwing jabs at JD to make quality videos?
Funny... my father just sold his 6" Frontier rotary cutter and picked up a 4" Tater unit from Tractor Supply. Interesting to know they are possibly the same model just different sizes, but more importantly probably built equally as well for a few hundred cheaper.
I’ve read many statements here that are completely off base, such as Land Pride products are 100% made in the US. Neil noted in his video that a lot of the front attachments like snow blowers are made in Canada. But the reality is that Land Pride sources product from China just as the other manufacturers do. I just bought a RCR1860 Rotary Cutter. The label on it CLEARLY says “Made in China for Great Plains Mfg Inc”. I also have a new Land Pride rear blade and while I haven’t checked, I’d bet it says the same. Don’t believe for a moment that Land Pride doesn’t source product from other suppliers/manufacturers - it would be financially untenable to make it all themselves. And no I’m not a “green” guy - I just bought a new Kubota L4060. Beautiful tractor but I can guarantee there are MANY parts on that tractor sourced from China, Korea, and elsewhere. That’s simply the reality of manufacturing in these times of a global market. In fact many of the parts made offshore probably aren’t even available in the US. Let’s be clear on our facts before overstating things.
Messick's thanks - I realize your video was about finished goods, but my point is that Land Pride also sources finished goods from offshore manufacturers. The brand new Land Pride rotary cutter (1860) I received just two weeks ago is clearly labelled Made in China for Great Plains Manufacturing, contrary to several comments uploaded to this video that suggest Land Pride is 100% made in the USA. My further note about components was simply to illustrate that Kubota tractors, like almost any other complex assembly, are a conglomerations of components and subassemblies from all over the world - and they work just fine in most cases!
That's the gearbox. The cutters are made in Abaline Kansas. I'm not suggesting other companies don't relabel finished goods to some extent, I was really clear about that. Its the existence of a complete product line that makes nothing that's unique.
Messick's thanks for clarifying that about it only being the gearbox that’s made offshore. Makes me happier to know the rest is US made - and I’m Canadian! But hey, we make great snowblowers for Land Pride up here! Great points in your video about simply changing paint and stickers on implements and raising the price. Unfortunately it’s not only done in agricultural implements - it’s relatively common in consumer products as well.
Every company does this, no matter how big or small that company is. Caterpillar, Komatsu, Deere all do. For example there are some John Deere backhoes that are sold over seas as Bell, at the same time over seas a company like Bell that build ADT rock trucks sold those trucks in North America under Deere. Caterpillar works with Weiler products to round out there product line.
Well when you consider their compacts and down are built from outsourced parts used in many other brands, and they cost more over a fully Kubota built tractor, it does make one sit back and think, why pay more? JD uses Yanmar, which is also used in many other compacts, that cost less. A tractor is really only as good as the power plant under the hood.
Yea. Several examples of our vendors as well. Said that right off the start of the video. Scale is different, no one has an entire sub brand devoted to the practice.
Not a secret. Just a good way to get matching green implements. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see a lot of Landpride equipment painted orange with Kubota decals around my area.
gotta go with what you can get parts for years down the road. 'Most' all Kubota's i can still get parts for no matter when they were made. the same can be said for Land Pride. if you have to scrap something just because a key part is broken then it doesn't matter who built it, you still have the same result. the real problem comes in when say Woods builds something for J.D. to the spec provided by J.D., this can make it so that some key parts just don't interchange, and in 10ish years when something is broken you're screwed if neither company has replacement parts and one blames the other and vise-versa.
At least they still call it Frontier and not Deere! Kubota sources implements and puts Kubota sticker on them.... so funny because Kubota makes very few implements other than loader/backhoes. This is a very biased video.... most Kubota labeled implements are made by Land Pride. And, by the way, you can get Land Pride painted orange or green... lol
Kubota owns Land Pride. The handful of implements they do outsource are from companies you can't go by direct from... example RAD who does the front snow blowers. Totally different than a Frontier piece that's someone else's implement with paint and stickers at a higher price point.
Bought a gearbox for a frontier rc2060 mower for $200 on internet ,John Deere wanted $450 ,John Deere wanted $200 for blades,paid $100 for exact same blades on internet
been a dairy farmer and a Deere man for over 55 years, dad and both granddads also, mother Deere has so pissed me off, they went on their big dealer binge, closed down a good dealership 15 years ago, just 4 miles from me that we patronized for ever, good people great service, now 20 miles the other way, yeah i know only 20 miles, part of a conglomeration of 6 dealers that were forced to merge, then Deere made them close 3. Now they are trying to force the original owners out of management. Next big thing is Ag-Pro, just bought out JD Equipment in London Ohio, they own 87 dealer locations in 8 states, want to take over Ohio next. 87 f-ing dealer locations over EIGHT states, sorry I,m gone, There are companies that are local owned and I can talk to the OWNER when I need to. As for frontier, hell their grain drills are the ones deere used to make in Mexico. and now Deere is getting out of the pull type forage harvester business, Dion of Canada is advertising their Frontier line available through your Deere dealer, just check out Dion web site. Mother Deere is living off their name, I'm afraid they are heading for a fall. The hell of it is the 4020 is still one of the best tractors ever made, man oh man are they screwing up. got me so pissed that I'm even looking at a Rural King, just kidding, but then cheaper than the TYM dealer and exact same tractor
Sorta like what snapon does in the tool industry they label precision torque wrenches snapon and so on and so on only reason like deere they can do this and get away with it is by having awesome customer support like u mentioned above as a good reason to buy what deere must have or they wouldn’t do it to this extreme. One thing deere does better and better then anyone else is their parts network. Ive dealt with case, new Holland, fendt, Massy, kabota, krone, and none come close surprisingly versatile tractor parts are pretty good also
I love watching the videos you put out, as any tractor guy would. However, I have always felt that a good product which is being represented by a good salesperson should be able to sell itself. In other words, don't tell me that I should buy a Kubota because John Deere is "bad"; Instead, tell me why Kubota is a solid choice. I wouldn't expect you to promote a John Deere product any more than a Chevy dealer would promote a Ford product. I want to hear the good about your product, not the bad about somebody else's product.
@@MessicksEquip I haven't watched all of your videos (for this exact reason) but every video I have seen is very biased and focuses too heavily on cons of a competitor and the pros of the brand you sell. They are not comparisons, they are just sales pitches.
Messick's if educating is your goal set on a kubota and explain how they do the very same thing. Both kubota and Deere are good products and do the same thing.
I point out that the brands we sell do this also. It was at the beginning of this video. Its focused on Deere because they have a complete product line of 600+ painted and stickered attachments. In the case of Kubota.. the only thing they rebrand is RAD-Tech snow attachments (which all tractor companies use), and the walk-behind commercial mowers (which we don't sell). The scale of the practice is totally different.
And when you need parts for this "John Deere" implement, you will find that it became "obsolete" (meaning Deere found a cheaper supplier) during the several years you have owned it and that no replacement parts are available. And no, a John Deere dealer will not (under punishment by the head buck) divulge who the supplier of the implement was. So, you are not "permitted" to buy the parts directly from that manufacturer... you MUST buy a new (blessed by Deere) implement. Or, in the case of the Kawasaki generators Deere sold as their own back in the 90's, you must do without because Deere did not offer generators at that time. Folks, if you haven't been following this stuff, John Deere has become an extremely greedy, consumer adversarial, arrogant company who, if they had their own way several years ago, would be filing suit against you if you had attempted to repair your own equipment.
Haha yes because Deere is the only company like that right? They were they only company against the right to repair act right? Get off your high horse and stop with the Deere hate.
Deere has long been known for their "priority" parts and similar techniques to make it more difficult for you to cut them out as the middle man, and it really shouldn't surprise anyone that they'd been against right to repair. Not saying other companies might not be as bad or worse, but Deere's reputation in such things has long proceeded them.
The same can be said for 90% of aftermarket attachment companies. Few manufacturers many, many, MANY remarketers.
Seems like a fair and honest episode to me.
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Reasonably fair, but Neil did make the choice to sit on a Deere tractor. I'd guess although there are a lot of brands doing it, some of them are brands that Messicks represent, so safer to sit on a tractor that he's not franchise holder for. :-)
I thought it was Like you Tim, Neal is as honest as they come in the tractor business.
One of the best videos that you’ve made so far. About time someone laid out how buying something painted a certain colour can just be flushing good money down the toilet when the original manufacturer is likely cheaper and better supported.
You have hit the nail right on the head!!! I am a satisfied Deere tractor owner but when it comes to implements I prefer to stick with the OEMs like Land Pride, Woods, etc. I have never been a fan of the Frontier line for the reasons you stated. It is just other brand stuff painted green. Another reason is it is riddled with confusion factor. Multiple styles for a similar implement with no real information on why you would choose one over the other. Just look at the selection of rear blades and landscape rakes and it will make your head explode. Multiple implements with very similar specs yet different somehow. What you say about parts and support is dead on. Most JD dealers are very poor at stocking parts for many of the Frontier implements. You are ALWAYS ALWAYS better off sticking with the company that made the equipment as a Land Pride RB1560 will always be a RB1560 and the parts will always be the same.
LOL! Me too but I paint them all green anyway!
I’ve got to say that I love these videos and I have a kubota. It is 18 years old. I ordered a part for a kubota implement from Messick’s and they told me it is no longer available. They were especially nice about it. But from what I understand JD has plenty of parts for all of its tractors.
I can say with experience not true, go try to buy parts for a 2305
True. The painful truth I have learned. But it needed to be said Neil. Not to mention the proprietary attach systems. Thanks for giving folks the straight goods. Cheers!
Proprietary attach systems have a place. If you're only buying green, and buying your own attachments, their loader attach is actually a bit better. Not in function necessarily, but it weighs less and doesn't compromise lift capacity as much. Deere are a big company, there are plenty of third party attachments for them. However, if you want to borrow your neighbour's attachment and he doesn't own green, then SSQA is better - more likely you can share. Horses for courses and all that.
Great info Neal, who makes your 55” commercial snowblower BX2822, Rad or Berco? Thanks
I do believe it is radtech out of Thetford mines QC. Blizzard, kubota, and frontier, snowblowers one black one orange and one green
Who manufactures Kubota ignition switches?
It would be interesting to know if it's manufactured in China like most of them are the same unit where all the keys fit other tractors including my JD X350 At least this is the way with lawn tractors
Get a part number and google it, oftentimes in the search you'll find a link or several to a generic part and where its made. I've ran across this for just about every part you can think of....sure it may be for brand X because the part number you entered cross referenced to that brand, but if you dig deeper you'll oftentimes find the same part is used on many different brands with hundreds, sometimes thousands of part numbers cross referencing to that same part.
I know Kubota likes to build a lot of their own stuff, but I'm sure the common switches, knobs, etc. probably all come from a bulk supplier.
Neal sitting on a tractor labeled John Deere. I think the smoke he smelled was him about to burst into flames.
Might be a green Mahindra?
yeah... he's such a seed and very childish when green is out selling his stuff.
Lawnmowers of many different brands are manufactured in the same facility. Few changes for colors, options and stickers.
Most are built by MTD now, or AYP.
Honestly I completely missed what the point of all this was. Deere uses suppliers to fill out their product line. They rebadge it, sell it through dealers, and warranty it. I couldn’t possibly count the industries that do the same.
Any clues toward finding the manufacturer of the Frontier GM 1060E grooming mower?
5:03 Very good point. Dealer support is Huge. I bought a Frontier disc harrow that was 15 min away AT A VERY GOOD PRICE. The Tufline website says the closest dealer is 120 miles away. When I need a part I need it yesterday. I also have a Frontier rear blade and of course I knew it was a Woods but the Woods dealer is another 45 minutes away and the price was the same. I've also driven past my green dealer to Neil's place when they have an item I need. This orange/green feud is so annoying. What a bunch of middle school girls...
Amen George
I agree 100 percent we purchased our first tractor 8 months ago we love it's been so useful we watch a lot of tractor how to videos which are great for the most part but comments some not all are juvenile .
Neal, I just bought a Kubota brand stump grinder for my skid steer. However, we both know this wasn't made by Kubota....;)
... and I'd give the same avoid it when you can advice? Every company does this to some extent to fill out their product line.
@@boobacockaa Dude, he just said same advice - he would buy the original if it's available. As for the rest of your comment, come on, both Deere and Kubota make good machines. Some segments Deere sell more, some Kubota sell more, but they're both selling enough that there's something to them.
boobacockaa I can tell you’ve never owned or used a Kubota.
I agree that it’s usually better to go direct to the manufacturer (dealer) of the implement, especially when purchasing after your initial tractor purchase. 2 reasons to go with the rebrand: 1. One throat to choke, if you have an issue or multiple parts to round up for maintenance, you have a single stop, and 1 dealer you need to work with. 2. Financing. If you are buying a new tractor and implements, you can fold everything into 1 loan, and get all the attachments together (rebrand and name brand).
Love the behind the scenes of the industry. Always thought frontier “made” good stuff too. Very eye opening and interesting. Thanks!
The rotary cutters and several other items are made by Tarter USA (not Tater). Built in Liberty Kentucky. For the most part is the same line as County Line equipment at tractor supply.
Is the Tarter implements company the same as the one that makes stock panels? Or totally different companies? I thought County Line, Tarter, and Behlen all were the same? Good stuff, but I thought they shared amongst each other a lot of implements?
@@wildbill23c yes the Tarter panels and implements are the same company. All made is the same little town of Dunnville, KY just outside of Liberty.
Nice looking tractor!
Neal ... you looked good sitting on a green tractor. You look just as good on orange tractors... not better ... the same. You are right. The quality of the local dealer is a major part in the buying process.
Wonder who makes their t shirt's and coffee cups
Who makes the frontier AV20F root grapple,I want to buy one but can't find it anywhere other than my local dealer.
And the kabota m8 is just a versatile painted orange as another extreme example of this
Local Kubota dealer BX2380 price set at this. Drive 60 miles same BX2380 and a trailer to haul it with same price..... Dealer makes all the difference. A good dealer will tell you who manufactures the stuff they sell and service. It also pays to do a little research before going to the dealer. It is so much easier in this day and age as to who makes what for whom.
Good video! a sort of hit piece.
Your last point needs to be heard by other dealers. My experience , in my neck of the woods, is that as soon as you drive in the dealer yard I feel as if the dealer's attitude is one of doing me a favor rather than a respected customer. unprofessional.
Love all the Deere haters on here. Cough Land Pride cough..... I bought Frontier implements when I bought my tractor so I could roll them into my finacing. Do I also shop around and buy cheaper ones at Rural King? Of course just depends on the implement. Don't mind the Yanmar under my hood either. My local Kubota dealer has horrible customer service. That's what drove me green.
Kubota owns Land Pride if that's what your referring to. As I said at the end, customer service and support matters. I'd support your choice.
@@MessicksEquip Owning and making are two separate things. Duh.
@@johniac7078 Okay, Land Pride does make their own implements... just like Woods, Bush Hog, etc?
@@johniac7078 Yeah they are two separate things but Land Pride is part of Kubota now just like how Dodge is part of Fiat, Kubota makes the equipment because it is their company even if it has a different sticker on it just like Fiat is making Rams and Challengers because they own the company. It seemed like Neil was saying that JD is buying things, I guess wholesale, from the manufacturer that they do not own and then slapping the sticker on.
@@BlackHawkBallistic who cares?
How good is Land Pride?
What’s the best box blade out there?
How does this information compare with Kubota? I understand a lot of Kubota attachments/implements are Land Pride which is partially owned by Kubota?
So who makes the Frontier SB1154 3 pt snow blower?
Does anyone know who makes the frontier brand grapple? I like it as the lower tines aren't as short or too long like other brands but I won't buy green for mx 5800
Not really sure, but my AV20F works great!!! EA is going to say otherwise, but I don't abuse equipment just to post a pic. Neil don't like the green stuff anyhow, so let him have his fun.
Curious about your thoughts on 3rd function valves. I'm looking at a B2601-1 right now, and I see that there's a Kubota part (B1672) and a LandPride part (380-149A). What difference (if any) exists between these? Performance? How it's mounted? Overall integration? I was looking at the install instructions on the LandPride and it looks like it mounts the valve directly on the loader arm... wonder how that plays with the new LA435 Swift-tach as opposed to the LA434? Or if it plays well with the mechanical self-leveling kit?
You'll want the kubota one. Works. Better with swift tach
@@MessicksEquip Thanks :) Appreciate the quick answer!
Everybody does it including Kubota. Maybe the Deere contract keeps some of these business afloat. Buyers can roll implements at a discount into the deal instead of having to go out and source things on their own. I think you did Messick's and yourself a disservice with this video.
Best information👍
Love the closing comment.. "key switch is off a Cub Cadet lawn tractor"
Wow that tractor must be garbage then. The key switch does tell everything you need to know.... Petty
I mean its a switch, so who cares who made it in reality if it works get it from the cheapest source...automotive companies do this all the time with general parts, whoever gives them the best deal on a pallet of gadgets is who they'll buy from....however that savings never reaches the consumer, and often times you end up with an inferior product because the company wanted to save money and in the end the company saved 1 cent, the consumer still paid for a quality part that isn't there.
Great video Neil, are you going to wave one? we should meet up.
Yea, I'm in Wave 1 (along with everyone else apparently).
Rather just go to JD and get all attachments at once vs going to multiple places for multiple products.
Good dealers have selection and choices of several brands on hand👍
@@MessicksEquip
I have about 10 dealers within 1hr,evenly split between JD and Kubota,none of them must be good then. JD dealers carry Frontier only and Kubota only stock Land pride in Orange . JD said they could order Rhino but had to charge me for shipping on each implement. Kubota said they could order me landpride in the neutral tan color but would also charge me seperate shipping. Both brands Would NOT charge shipping on their house color implements. With a few implements the shipping adds up. That was a deal breaker leading me to purchase Frontier compliments for my JD.
You look really good sitting on that JD Neil. Kent from PEI
Can you do a comparison with which Kubota best matches the Deere 3046R?
Frank Ekas Jr I know you are not asking me, but I did some research into this very question. There really isn’t a good match for the 3046r in the Kubota lineup (or any other brand for that matter). The 3046r has the largest horsepower and lift capabilities in such a small frame size. This isn’t good or bad, it just IS. For example, maybe you need that small frame size...then it is good. Maybe you are concerned about stability, etc. then a larger frame size would be better (L4760, 4052R).
Hope that helps.
Is this like a L3901 frame size? I don't know it well.
I don't know Kubota frame sizes. 46 gross HP, 42 PTO HP, hydro
I'll check Kubota website tomorrow. Thanks guys, bedtime.
@@MessicksEquip I think it comparable to the L4060.
who makes frontier power rakes?
Looks like a woods
Just like mopar oil and fuel filters for the 6.7L diesel, they are just painted grey and all come from fleet guard filters
Sicktrickintuner well yeah, Cummins owns fleet guard
How about the Kubota stand up mowers? Look into who actually makes them.
.. that's why we don't sell them 👍
And to further shed light on how many of the statements in the video and the comment section of this post are false. Frontier is currently using Woods and Befco to make all of their all of their finishing mowers and rotary cutters. All are priced very competitive in the market, and very good quality products.
What exactly do you take issue with?
Nothing hua?
I feel like the video is misleading. All the parts on these tractors are made by a supplier. Some may be assembled by a manufacturer but the parts that make up these tractors aren’t the brand on the side of the tractor. This is across the board. Do you think kubota makes that steering wheel? The hoods? The seats? The list goes on and on. My point being that manufacturers have specs these suppliers have to meet. This is no different in the case of these implements.
Seth L same goes for automobiles.
farm.central. ohio how so?
akbychoice exactly
Actually Kubota has made in the US in Gainesville Georgia I worked there for about two years it came in as raw steel it left is a tractor. Of course we didn’tMake all the buttons and glass windows and rubber levers but is far is construction of the units they’re all in house even the Kubota supply chains that deliver things like wheels tires houses are all sourced locally out of the Georgia area
Neil, don't suppose you have any plans to expand Messicks into Minnesota anytime down the road? :-)
Olsens is great to work with in North branch
No sir.
@@MessicksEquip Neil, if you came to Minnesota I would be giving you business! I hate paying for shipping. I am always turning to your website for finding parts and then having to hunt for parts here. Deere needs some competition around me!
Your story is not entirely true. Large companies like Kubota and John Deere do not want to put their names on inferior products. They look for things that meet their approval. If there is a quality problem, they have the clout to get their suppliers to make changes or they will cease to do business with them. What happens if you buy a box blade that you don't like. You probably wouldn't buy another one from the same company anyway, so you have a lot less clout as an individual to make them change a design. Supporting large companies like Kubota and John Deere, helps keep all manufacturers trying to build the best.
Are you saying Kubota doesn’t do the same thing? Or do they not even have an implement line?
Kubota owns Land Pride. They do rebrand their front snow attachments.
@@MessicksEquip oh ok
Neil, who make Land Pride Attachments? They seem very well made.
Land Pride does :-)
@@MessicksEquip Do you know where they're made? Thanks.
@@seather863 Land Pride has about a dozen small factories spread around Kansas.
How is this any different to Kneverland and vicon launching Kubota products in Ireland? All they are doing is painting them orange too.
Kubota owns Kvereland & Vicon, they bought them in 2012.
There are examples of my vendors doing this as well, and I'd make the same points. Its the very first thing I said at the beginning of the video.
Re-watch the video. You've missed the point.
Don't forget that alot of your newhollands are the exact same as ls. Like the Boomer series are LS 4100 series. Except for loader being different and new Hollands are marketed up too . So I wouldn't be knocking everyone to much
You did catch the bit where I said all companies in this business do this in some way?
@@MessicksEquip sorry was working in the field and listening
Neal, Can you provide a the links or background data to prove that frontier is made by other companies. I am interested in your research. I don't have the same resources you have and have not found data to back up your findings. Let me know where you found all this info. thanks
there were the several models I referenced in the video. This is common knowledge to a lot of people, you'll see that if you scroll though the comments here.
I found while selling Simplicity and Ariens that Indak company made the ignition switches for about 90 plus of the lawn and garden industry. unless it is an early example then the had regular keys about like the ignition keys of a 1970s automobile when you still needed two keys to drive and open the trunk or lack the doors
Amen. I had so many garden tractors with Indak keys. I wish my parents''s name was Indak. How do you catch a break like that, to make a simple, flat, stamped key and corner that market. I wish I wish...
What about when larger companies do a joint venture? Is it considered the same? For example such as MacDon... they made SP windrowers for John Deere, Case IH stamped their stickers on their draper heads, etc. I guess with something like that most people know that those machines are MacDons with different stickers and some paint...
in my experience, joint ventures usually have a different commitment level involved.. there is usually some actual engineering happening and resources exchanged. Not a 'stickers and paint' transaction. Usually your talking AG\CE too which has a different tier of expectation of support.
Is my understanding correct that Land Pride makes their own implements and that Kubota now owns Land Pride?
Land Pride has always made their own stuff, even before Kubota bought them.
And Land Pride also is 100% Made In USA
@@andysworld2188 I didn't know that, thanks for the info.
Good video. True and funny. When will we get more information on the b2650 and 3350 being discontinued and the new LX series. The other dealership that done a video on that has removed it.
Tell me more.
Dealer meeting is in a month. Will have details then.
Messick's
Are the B2620 and B2920 discontinued as well?
Those were replaced by the B2301\B2601 several years ago. They are not being changed this year.
Good deal, thanks for the update.
AT least Kubota advertises thier "partnership" with Land Pride on attachments, and doesn't try to hide the fact that it's their own stuff.
Kioti sells land Pride... Brags about it...
Kubota owns landpride
Kubota recently purchased landpride
Hey Neil, the chipper looks like a mighty ox, to me I own one (the mighty ox) and recognized it right away!
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Great info. Thanks for the education on this topic
That's why I like the Dirt Dog brand. They make everything they sell right here in America, they don't just put their sticker on someone else's product. They do some private labeling for some other large companies however; they don't currently build anything for Frontier.
I don't hold any grudge against JD for doing this. The bigger a company gets the harder it is to control every little piece of the company. We see this same rebranding thing in tech all the time. You might think you're buying an HP or Dell or Asus computer, but chances are they all have the same or similar motherboard, hard drive, etc.
Luckily, in today's information age it's not too hard to track down reviews and get info on implements. Similar to my preference of buying food from local farms, I like to get implements from US based companies, like Everything Attachments or Woodmaxx. They tend to often be cheaper than name brands like Frontier or Land Pride, but also made sturdier and in the case of Woodmaxx, made by veterans. Hard to beat a higher quality product for cheaper.
This was a very good lesson for me. It makes a lot of sense. I used to be a Deere owner, 20+ years back and JD lost my trust, a topic for another day but your Frontier message just reinforces my position I will not do business with JD again.
I would add that you can get Frontier equipment with a 0% financing when buying a tractor from JD, which is not the case when buying directly from the manufacturer. So at the end of the day, the cost remain mostly the same, whether you choose one or the other.
I recently bought a John Deer rotary cutter it was leaning up against a fence and beside it was a frontier there was no comparison the John Deer MX6 was built like a tank I got it.
Hmm, I never thought this was anything but common knowledge. That said, I like this setup better as it is a direct use of OEM equipment and easy to get parts from the real manufacturer, even if they obfuscate the part numbers. The ones I don't like are the ones who gets stuff from other companies but used some "Proprietary" stuff that the OEM only sells to that vendor so now you can't find cheap parts and if you need XXX it may take a long time as it may not be stocked and it has to go thru more hands and red tape until it finally gets to you.
Kenneth Feld dell computers are like that, proprietary so you can’t interchange parts.
How would you ever think this is common knowledge when there's so many people that don't know anything about tractors or really care where shit comes from.
And the point is what? I buy a new car. Half of it is made by outside vendors to the car manufacturer. Is this a secret? No. Do I care? No. The nameplate on the car stands behind it.
What about my Kubota loader LA854 who makes it because apparently it's not Kubota
Kubota does make that, at KMA in Georgia.
@@MessicksEquip I need new tilt cylinders and have been told that they are not made by Kubota
@@knoppma65 likely is from a cylinder supplier. Video was not referencing parts, but finished goods.
Absolutely I noticed this! Our closest dealer is Deere/frontier. I much rather drive 30 more miles down the highway to the new holland dealer who hands Woods, Rossi, NH, etc. I have completely cut myself off from Deere because they over price everything!
You sure look good on Green! I think you're on to something!
Sears did the same thing... for about 70 to 90 years. They never actually made anything themselves.
I could honestly care less who made my Frontier cutter, but I'm certain that it wasn't Tarter. When I bought mine I believe it was Woods who had the contract with Frontier, and at the time it was the same price as the identical looking Woods cutter. Just another JD bashing video as far as I can tell, maybe payback for a well know JD guy also doing comparison videos.
You are correct. Woods built those at one point, they don't currently.
Elk Creek Acres the question should be for most, of it’s built by another company and the only difference is paint and name, Why does it cost 30% more? Better yet, What do you get for 30% more? Just know I’m not an owner of either.
akbychoice when I bought mine it was the same price as the Woods equivalent, therefore I wasn’t expecting 30% more. Now, knowing that Tarter now makes the Frontier cutters I would buy anything but. I bought my Frontier because I was very unhappy with the Tarter that I already had, I was also aware that Woods was the actual manufacturer of this cutter and I know they make good cutters.
Elk Creek Acres makes sense
I have probably watched 6 hours worth of videos from this channel for the last 2 days. I have heard several jabs at JD in many of these videos. I am a beef farmer and have JD and Massey Ferguson tractors. I also have a Kubota SVL 75 skid steer and New Holland hay equipment. So I’m not a JD fanboy. Things like this turn me off from your UA-cam channel. I see the same thing sitting on your lot in the background in your videos. Rebranded attachments everywhere. It makes for better viewing when your talking about your equipment and what Messick’s offers. Even the tips and tricks segments are awesome. Why you have to be throwing jabs at JD to make quality videos?
thank you for your honesty
Funny... my father just sold his 6" Frontier rotary cutter and picked up a 4" Tater unit from Tractor Supply. Interesting to know they are possibly the same model just different sizes, but more importantly probably built equally as well for a few hundred cheaper.
I’ve read many statements here that are completely off base, such as Land Pride products are 100% made in the US. Neil noted in his video that a lot of the front attachments like snow blowers are made in Canada. But the reality is that Land Pride sources product from China just as the other manufacturers do. I just bought a RCR1860 Rotary Cutter. The label on it CLEARLY says “Made in China for Great Plains Mfg Inc”. I also have a new Land Pride rear blade and while I haven’t checked, I’d bet it says the same. Don’t believe for a moment that Land Pride doesn’t source product from other suppliers/manufacturers - it would be financially untenable to make it all themselves. And no I’m not a “green” guy - I just bought a new Kubota L4060. Beautiful tractor but I can guarantee there are MANY parts on that tractor sourced from China, Korea, and elsewhere. That’s simply the reality of manufacturing in these times of a global market. In fact many of the parts made offshore probably aren’t even available in the US. Let’s be clear on our facts before overstating things.
This is not a conversation about parts, that's a global market. Referring to finished goods.
Messick's thanks - I realize your video was about finished goods, but my point is that Land Pride also sources finished goods from offshore manufacturers. The brand new Land Pride rotary cutter (1860) I received just two weeks ago is clearly labelled Made in China for Great Plains Manufacturing, contrary to several comments uploaded to this video that suggest Land Pride is 100% made in the USA. My further note about components was simply to illustrate that Kubota tractors, like almost any other complex assembly, are a conglomerations of components and subassemblies from all over the world - and they work just fine in most cases!
That's the gearbox. The cutters are made in Abaline Kansas. I'm not suggesting other companies don't relabel finished goods to some extent, I was really clear about that. Its the existence of a complete product line that makes nothing that's unique.
Messick's thanks for clarifying that about it only being the gearbox that’s made offshore. Makes me happier to know the rest is US made - and I’m Canadian! But hey, we make great snowblowers for Land Pride up here!
Great points in your video about simply changing paint and stickers on implements and raising the price. Unfortunately it’s not only done in agricultural implements - it’s relatively common in consumer products as well.
Every company does this, no matter how big or small that company is. Caterpillar, Komatsu, Deere all do. For example there are some John Deere backhoes that are sold over seas as Bell, at the same time over seas a company like Bell that build ADT rock trucks sold those trucks in North America under Deere. Caterpillar works with Weiler products to round out there product line.
didnt yanmar make deere tractors or and motors for years?
Rikki lee Yanmar was also in most of the Takeuchi machines as well.
Deere makes their own tractors but they do put a Yanmar motor in them.
I was impressed by this video
Well when you consider their compacts and down are built from outsourced parts used in many other brands, and they cost more over a fully Kubota built tractor, it does make one sit back and think, why pay more? JD uses Yanmar, which is also used in many other compacts, that cost less. A tractor is really only as good as the power plant under the hood.
GM makes trucks for Chevy.🤯 Does Neil drive a Toyota? Fun fact New ldea made haybines for Ford.
Dude, that’s Rad! 🤘
Do a video on which Deer's are made in India.
Some of New Holland's equip is made by other Mfgs Sitrex makes your wheel rakes,,, same rake different colors....
Yea. Several examples of our vendors as well. Said that right off the start of the video. Scale is different, no one has an entire sub brand devoted to the practice.
We made raw steel stabilizers (our design) for a company who powder coated and sold them to another company.
Not a secret. Just a good way to get matching green implements. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I see a lot of Landpride equipment painted orange with Kubota decals around my area.
all the big implement companies do paint selection for all the major brands. Kubota owns Land Pride.
Deere dealers have a 40% or 30% parts markup. That is what a friend told me...he owned a dealer ship.
gotta go with what you can get parts for years down the road. 'Most' all Kubota's i can still get parts for no matter when they were made. the same can be said for Land Pride. if you have to scrap something just because a key part is broken then it doesn't matter who built it, you still have the same result. the real problem comes in when say Woods builds something for J.D. to the spec provided by J.D., this can make it so that some key parts just don't interchange, and in 10ish years when something is broken you're screwed if neither company has replacement parts and one blames the other and vise-versa.
At least they still call it Frontier and not Deere! Kubota sources implements and puts Kubota sticker on them.... so funny because Kubota makes very few implements other than loader/backhoes. This is a very biased video.... most Kubota labeled implements are made by Land Pride. And, by the way, you can get Land Pride painted orange or green... lol
Kubota owns Land Pride. The handful of implements they do outsource are from companies you can't go by direct from... example RAD who does the front snow blowers. Totally different than a Frontier piece that's someone else's implement with paint and stickers at a higher price point.
Bought a gearbox for a frontier rc2060 mower for $200 on internet ,John Deere wanted $450 ,John Deere wanted $200 for blades,paid $100 for exact same blades on internet
So before kubota bought land pride was it 100% made by land pride and how about now???
Land Pride has not really changed since Kubota ownership.
@@MessicksEquip So there 100% made by Landpride "kubota" right now then ?
@@terrydavis174 would not be surprised to find some exception, but largely yes.
been a dairy farmer and a Deere man for over 55 years, dad and both granddads also, mother Deere has so pissed me off, they went on their big dealer binge, closed down a good dealership 15 years ago, just 4 miles from me that we patronized for ever, good people great service, now 20 miles the other way, yeah i know only 20 miles, part of a conglomeration of 6 dealers that were forced to merge, then Deere made them close 3. Now they are trying to force the original owners out of management. Next big thing is Ag-Pro, just bought out JD Equipment in London Ohio, they own 87 dealer locations in 8 states, want to take over Ohio next. 87 f-ing dealer locations over EIGHT states, sorry I,m gone, There are companies that are local owned and I can talk to the OWNER when I need to. As for frontier, hell their grain drills are the ones deere used to make in Mexico. and now Deere is getting out of the pull type forage harvester business, Dion of Canada is advertising their Frontier line available through your Deere dealer, just check out Dion web site. Mother Deere is living off their name, I'm afraid they are heading for a fall. The hell of it is the 4020 is still one of the best tractors ever made, man oh man are they screwing up. got me so pissed that I'm even looking at a Rural King, just kidding, but then cheaper than the TYM dealer and exact same tractor
I agree completely with you. I would rather deal with a small independent dealer.
Probably can't find part numbers cause they are made by those company's to John Deere specs. They are creating jobs for these companys.
old video, but I own one orange and one green. When I need orange parts I drive 18 miles. When I need green parts, they deliver to me.
Sorta like what snapon does in the tool industry they label precision torque wrenches snapon and so on and so on only reason like deere they can do this and get away with it is by having awesome customer support like u mentioned above as a good reason to buy what deere must have or they wouldn’t do it to this extreme. One thing deere does better and better then anyone else is their parts network. Ive dealt with case, new Holland, fendt, Massy, kabota, krone, and none come close surprisingly versatile tractor parts are pretty good also
He looks good on that green tractor
Paint it green, and change 30 percent more. What a shame.
I’m SO HAPPY to be getting out of my Deere and into a new Kubota...tomorrow.
Hey Neal can I get parts for an LS tractor through you?
No. There are a lot of differences between the New Holland's and the LS. Hard for us to know for sure we've got the right item.
I love watching the videos you put out, as any tractor guy would. However, I have always felt that a good product which is being represented by a good salesperson should be able to sell itself. In other words, don't tell me that I should buy a Kubota because John Deere is "bad"; Instead, tell me why Kubota is a solid choice. I wouldn't expect you to promote a John Deere product any more than a Chevy dealer would promote a Ford product. I want to hear the good about your product, not the bad about somebody else's product.
I've got 300+ other videos that do a lot of that. I'm big on education and this is an industry practice that's worth talking about.
@@MessicksEquip I haven't watched all of your videos (for this exact reason) but every video I have seen is very biased and focuses too heavily on cons of a competitor and the pros of the brand you sell. They are not comparisons, they are just sales pitches.
...maybe my opinion, I mention competitive brands in maybe 10 out of 400 videos. Half or so are not specific even to the lines i sell.
Messick's if educating is your goal set on a kubota and explain how they do the very same thing. Both kubota and Deere are good products and do the same thing.
I point out that the brands we sell do this also. It was at the beginning of this video. Its focused on Deere because they have a complete product line of 600+ painted and stickered attachments. In the case of Kubota.. the only thing they rebrand is RAD-Tech snow attachments (which all tractor companies use), and the walk-behind commercial mowers (which we don't sell). The scale of the practice is totally different.
That's why you just buy all your implements from Everything Attachments!. Case Closed!!!
And when you need parts for this "John Deere" implement, you will find that it became "obsolete" (meaning Deere found a cheaper supplier) during the several years you have owned it and that no replacement parts are available. And no, a John Deere dealer will not (under punishment by the head buck) divulge who the supplier of the implement was. So, you are not "permitted" to buy the parts directly from that manufacturer... you MUST buy a new (blessed by Deere) implement. Or, in the case of the Kawasaki generators Deere sold as their own back in the 90's, you must do without because Deere did not offer generators at that time. Folks, if you haven't been following this stuff, John Deere has become an extremely greedy, consumer adversarial, arrogant company who, if they had their own way several years ago, would be filing suit against you if you had attempted to repair your own equipment.
Haha yes because Deere is the only company like that right? They were they only company against the right to repair act right? Get off your high horse and stop with the Deere hate.
Deere has long been known for their "priority" parts and similar techniques to make it more difficult for you to cut them out as the middle man, and it really shouldn't surprise anyone that they'd been against right to repair. Not saying other companies might not be as bad or worse, but Deere's reputation in such things has long proceeded them.
I find funny that you are sitting on a green Yanmar with a John Deere sticker on it
I think you're on to something...
It’s like the new Caterpillar road trucks, no cat engines.
They were built by International with a Cat interior
Chris Dawson hahahahaha
Check your facts.