Thanks for answering the question! Unfortunately I was unaware of them not using OEM until the tractor was delivered. I did ask when the dropped it off but was told it was as good or better. The main reason I wanted to ask about this is so others would not be deceived like me. It does have a quick coupler on the front of the loader it’s just hard to see it in the video. I love the tractor just would have been nice for them to be straight up about it. I have learned to do my own research and not to just go with what your family, friends or dealership recommends. My mistake! I will say the Kubota community is amazing! Thanks again Brandt
Still might be something to continue to look into... does it say in the paperwork about it having an OEM loader or not or what details are given? It's hard to go by word of mouth anymore, but something in writing can be enough to have something different. Who knows, that loader may be good enough for whatever you need it for in its lifetime... only thing I could see a potential issue is if you decide to resell it and it has an offbrand loader on it with not much information about it (unlike other 3rd party loaders like Miller, Koyker, or Westendorf).
Is it possible that this was a supply chain result? With everything coming from overseas stuck on a boat in Los Angeles, perhaps the dealer was only able to source those items. If they tried to pawn the loader off as good or better than OEM, I would be downright angry though. Very rarely is something better than OEM, and then usually it sacrifices one area to better another.
I have an honest question as a Kubota salesman. Did you demand that the price was lower, or mention that you could get a cheaper off shore brand? I have had customers demand that I needed to "match a price" of something they saw on line, something like a rototiller. If price is all they are worried about and will not take my advice on "getting what you pay for", then yes they are getting a junk Chinese tiller. However if the dealer never talked about loader options and never discussed the fact you would be getting an off shore loader then I am not impressed by them. That third function looks terrible and compared to the Kubota kit it is way harder to use. Our dealership will only sell OEM loaders. But I am saving my judgement on if its the dealers fault based on whether you made the "cheapest price" the main issue.
@@mattb5029 I did not care about price at all. I didn’t realize it was going to have an aftermarket loader on it. I should’ve done research on what is the right loader for it. So in that sense I feel like this is partially my fault. But in no ways did the dealer explain anything would be different about my loader. The third function does look a little messy but I do not have the hoses run down the loader because I had taken my loader off and have not zip tied them back down the loader.
I have a Kubota l2501 hydrostat drive that I purchased in 2017. I purchased it already set up with the third valve function kit from the dealer, and I have never regretted it. I love how I can raise and lower the boom while simultaneously curling, and then also opening and closing the grapple. I got my grapple from everything attachments, and it is well sized to the machine.
After yrs of frustration with local kubota dealer, messicks had me straightened out in minutes with a phone call and a parts order. Cant recommend them enough. Thanks from northern Vermont
Adding a loader that is not from the OEM manufacturer is fine on a new tractor. What is concerning, is if the purchaser was not informed about the fact. As others have said if tractor was used and already had the loader the dealer is simply selling a used piece of equipment. If the buyer was mislead I would expect that Kubota would take issue with the dealer ship, as the dealership is damaging KUBOTA’s reputation.
Depending on what he has in writing, he could get it swapped... the loader probably would be good enough for what he might need it for but I see a potential issue if he resells it some year down the road with a not-well-known loader on it.
Yep. I learned the hard way also. Told my dealer that he knew more about the box blade and rock rake than I did so deliver with the tractor what was appropriate. He low balled both implements and the quick attach. The root rake is garbage. The box blade does not cover my tire tracks. Argh! But live and learn. Now I am specific but still consider options.
Another GREAT video, spoken very well as to not offend and very informative, this is why I no longer purchase anything from my local Kubota shop and do my best to order everything through Messicks, despite my being on the west coast... support Neil and his company, this information is invaluable to us all... thank you Neil.
Neil, your honesty and knowledge are outstanding, I am really lucky and have a local Kubota dealer (Hays Tractor) that gives you great value for your money. Keep up the great work!
I live in the Appalachian Mtns, almost all tires here are R1s not R4s. When used Tractors are bought with R4s, they are quickly taken off. The steep grades and high amount off annual rainfall, make them a neccessity.
Neil, great video, having a sounding board to ask questions, is a fantastic help. Great service from a great company. Thanks for supporting the community. Cheers
The Ansung loader should serve him fine unless he's gonna be lifting full heavy buckets of gravel and sand 24/7. Keep it greased. My biggest issue is the third function setup on the machine. It looks a tiny bit sloppy.
I made the mistake of buying an L2501 with a pin on bucket. I ended up changing it out for the QA system.My dealer also sold me R-1 tires, which I regret, and if I get enough work this year, I will swap out for R-14 tires. The cost of the rims is the killer.Your parts department told me what to get, so thank you for that. I also installed front and rear hydraulics using Summit electric over hydraulic valves. I did this before I found a proliferation of Summit kits. I still saved a lot of money by buying the parts and setting it up myself.
I think in the video the loader may be a skid steer quick attach, because I thought I saw ssqa Handles on it. However it sounds like the dealer may not have explained to him what he had. To me that isn't ethical. Our family has recently struck a deal on a rops Grand L 3560 LE from a smaller dealership with two stores near our property in Western Arkansas. With the savings on the LE model we are having the Kubota OEM third function installed. Many thanks to Neil on going over the difference between the LE and regular version. We just don't need those features for our applications but we do need a third function for what our needs are. One thing that we couldn't get is the R14 tires the owner came into the salesman's office after he did some research and told us that Kubota can't get them yet on the Grand L series. The tractor is already in but the loader won't come in until early spring. It is worth the wait because they ordered it with the stronger 800 series loader. The owner said that they prefer to order that loader because it is better matched to what the Grand L 3560 can do. I agree and it is worth pay the extra to move to the R4 tires and the heavier loader. More later on what a larger Kubota dealer tried to do and lost our business.
Ansung are branded as Howard loaders here in Aus and I can tell you from a parts point of view they are a pain in the ass. I highly recommend the Kubota branded loaders.
hi Neal, i noticed, the loader looks like a John Deere where it attaches to the tractor ( looks like John Deere uses the same company ? ) but painted orange, , the bucket is not a 4 in 1, there is no skid steer quick attach ( so why get a third function ) , the third function is lever controll valve operated, third function hose lines going down toward the bucket are looped ( im guessing to shorten them cos thair not custom made lines to fit properly on that loader ? ), the hoses going up to third function are hanging out the side where a branch could rip them off without guards.
Neil - this was such great information. I enjoyed the entire video. Your knowledge and expertise are exactly the reason people trust your advice and equipment. Nice job.
After being an owner of a 2003 B7500(new), before skid steer mounts were available, I can tell you first hand, the skid steer mount sure would be appreciate if I had it now. I could have added some nice accessories. Still over all my B7500 has been a great machine. One thing extra I want to add, a couple years back I had to replace the ORIGINAL BATTERY, yes, it was 17 years old----------unbelievable, it was a Yuasa from Japan.
@@MessicksEquip My 2003 B2910 is still running it's original battery. The original engine block heaters were also great - I can leave it plugged in all winter (in MN). I just got a L4060LE and am told I should only plug in the heater for a couple hours to avoid burning it out.
4-5 hrs is all the time a block heater needs, (except maybe in Alaska type of temps) any longer is just costing U money. Pay attention to the 110 cord and plug 4 any melting or cracking too.
The context is different, but, maybe not… I replaced the original 12 volt 2006 battery in my Toyota Camry hybrid ( that battery gets a LOT of use in+100,000 miles) in 2019. Pretty impressive. I’ve had Kubota tractors since 1990,
Since 1990, kept them from 6-18 years,only bought one battery ever. My local dealer ( Cochranville PA) only uses OEM Kubota parts on new tractors, period. Why I stay with them.
I was ready to purchase a Ansung loader for my MX had I not found the Kubota OEM loader at a dealer that was over stocked & the new MX model required a revised Kubota loader model. Also the Kubota dealer was willing to delete the bucket, the Ansung is a package, no separation of components. I have multiple skidsteer QA buckets for other tractors. At resale, the tractor retains higher value W/ OEM attachments , but difficult to ignore $1,000. loader cost Difference. At the price of used tractors currently, the buyer who scoffs at the loader brand will be told to simply get lost.
if something happens to that loader- say you bend a hydraulic ram- where do you get parts for it? in 20 years when say one of the skid-steer quick coupler arms gets bent, where are the replacement parts then? that's one thing I've found amazing about Kubota, I've bought several 20-40+ year old Kubota's and could go to my dealer and get almost any part i needed.
I have the Ansung backhoe on my L2501 and very pleased! It was considerably less money. I have probably 200 hours on it so far. I did know it was not a Kubota unit before purchasing.
We purchased a CaseIH tractor with a KMW loader because at the time the OEM loaders were backordered and given the market at this time they might have put the Ansung loader on if the factory loader would have taken longer to get. Hard to say.
Non OEM components on a used machine is one thing... Aftermarket loader on a new machine is another matter. I would not have accepted that tractor. I had a very specific list of requirements when I ordered my L4060 from Messicks in 2016, which were delivered exactly as ordered. They did recommend a change in the ssqa plow I selected, which was a wise change due to implement weight vs loader capacity.
I bought, my new Kubota LX 3310 from Messick's in Pennsylvania. I called 4 different dealerships here in NY. Got told the same thing no idea when there getting any tractor's in. One dealership tried seven ways to Sunday to get me to buy the 2610 I told him four different times I was not interested in the 2610 he continued. I called Messick's in Pennsylvania they were absolutely outstanding explain to him what I was looking for what I wanted two weeks later I went and picked up my tractor. This was a big purchase for my small farm. Messick's was great to deal with. They didn't try to sell me something I didn't want and even though I'm sure there's folks to spend a heck a lot more money than I do at their dealerships they treated me with respect and the customer service was great.
The Kubota MX5200 we purchased last year has a Kubota front end loader and a Kubota 4 in 1 bucket along with a Kubota third function kit. This is a bit unusual in Australia as many Kubota tractors have loaders made by local manufacturers.
Australian made loaders seem to be as good as OEM ones in that for some brands they are OEM. Challenge is another local brand of loaders that seem to be pretty good.
Technically the loader is an attachment and isn't part of the base tractor...a lot of people don't know this, because 99% of all tractors on the lot have a loader attached to them...people just assume...it is deceiving in its presentation...I'd be curious to see the sale sheet where they list out all the parts...my kubota dealer itemized every single item I bought...since, well, there are several different loaders, buckets, etc available even from kubota
I have an L3901 with and Ansung loader. I bought it over a year ago. The money I saved was the price of a 5ft Land Pride rotary cutter. I had to do a little fiddling to get a third function kit installed, but I do not regret the choice at all. I saved a lot of money, and I have a tractor that fits my needs. If I had to buy all over again, I would still buy the Ansung loader. I wouldn't be too quick to poo-poo the Ansung equipment. I was not misled by the dealer though and I was fully aware that the loader was not a Kubota brand.
I know that our local kubota dealer was having issues getting loaders for the 2501s when Covid hit. I noticed those same loaders and some from westendorf on the smaller tractors. I asked a salesman what the issue was and he said those were the only loaders they could get at the moment!
When I bought my L4701HST, I was somewhat educated, but didn't fully understand the third function and rear remotes. I asked the dealer if I should add those, and they said "No, you don't need them". I very much wish I had known better and told them I wanted them. I could have rolled that into the financing and saved the cost and time of taking it back to the dealer to have them installed. I haven't done that yet, and I'm considering installing them myself (I have a fair idea what's involved at this point). I don't know if the dealer thinks I would have balked at the cost they would have added, actually believed I didn't need them, or what. I don't think they misled me, but I don't think they fully explored how I planned to use it (for instance, grapples were never brought up).
My dealer told me the same thing, but I just bought a BX series Kubota, so there's really nothing that I'd have on my BX that would need the 3rd function or rear remotes. The 3rd function might be ok if they built a grapple for them that doesn't weigh a ton. I don't have a snow blower or front blade so the 3rd function for angling the blade or adjusting the chute on a blower isn't anything I'll ever need to worry about either. So, in my case my dealer was right, I don't need any of that stuff.
There can be wisdom in salesmen talking buyers down from spending more . . . but also ignorance and arrogance. At the same time, there's a huge gap between the tractor enthusiasts, fanatics, and simply experienced owners and the typical dealership. It is common for salesmen to not know, or more likely pretend not to know, what a potential customer is talking about when an option is a little harder to get or means the shop has to get involved. An example I ran into was R14 tires at a JD dealership, just before they were coming down JD's pipeline everywhere at JD. I got them, no biggie, at a Kubota dealer.
Put them on yourself if you see value in them and save yourself the cost. I’m not familiar with the L series remotes, but did them on my BX. They come with instructions for doing the installation and it was pretty straightforward if you’re even remotely hands on. Worst case you you have the dealer do it if you get out over your skis.
@@wildbill23c I have rear remotes on my BX for a hydraulic top link and it is a big timer saver. Also can be used for a hydraulic angle for a rear blade. As for grapples, there are many companies out there, like everything attachments, that make grapples about as light as your bucket. You will pay a fair amount for it, but they are good units if you need a grapple
yeah looks like they got him pretty good. Yeah, I’ve learned you just do go the a dealer without doing your home work. You’ll get screwed! Now I was hoping that dealer will disclose to their customers that they’re not using OEM parts, just for the sake of clarity
I find it odd that Neil didn't mention product availability shortages as a possibility for why the selling dealer used an Ansung loader. It's possible that Kubota shipped the dealer several tractors without loaders and the dealer opted to install this loader because Kubota said it might be 6 months or more before they have a loader to put on. I agree, OEM is preferred, but I've heard good things about Ansung and this might be the case.
Someone definitely didn't do much research before buying. That is clearly not a Kubota loader and the valve is not the standard Kubota one either. That 3rd function kit also looks like hell.
Loader is not usual on it, but is has a live 3rd function without a diverter , id like to know how it is setup but is seems like it is last in circuit , wich is good if the loader valve can handle the return pressure. Is has the ssqa so thats a plus
8:30 2% of sales for Ag tires? I suspect most people buy R4 tires because they look good instead of getting the tire that is most suitable for their application.
Sorry but we have had our R1 go flat on our mid 80s Kubota. Also they tear up the grass when it's really wet. However they were great in the snow when we had so much falll last winter which is very unusual to get that much.
@@nervousordo Well we have had it for only 3.5 years so I have no clue of what happened before our time with it. Good Tractor , but we have outgrown it. New Grand L 3560 on the way. LOL
I have an Ansung 2545 loader with SSQA on my Kubota L3301 and have been very pleased. It is a strong loader for the tractor and I have been able to dig with it and load logs. I have r-1 tires.
I remember the old days when no one offered much in OEM loaders Unless it was a IH tractor or deere were the only 2 oems that offered it but 90% of the tractors they might have sold all had different loaders since most dealers all sold a few shortlines like Farmhand, Woods, GB, Westendorf , Koyker , Landpride , Miller, and it was not odd to see IH loaders on other brands of tractor in my area . Tractor loaders being OEM did not take off til the 1990s i would say
local dealer tried this. also tried to give me cheap offbrand attachments instead of the land pride like i wanted for more than the land pride. ended up going to another dealer 2 hours away instead of the local one that tried to overcharge me for non oem
don't worry about faded paint, mine faded weeks after we bought it bran new, i will be painting it green in protest when it fades so bad it starts rusting, Kubota - fix your paint fadeing problem.
Shout out to Todd at Springdale Tractor in Arkansas who walked me through the differences between the OEM loader and the Ansung a week before this video dropped. The OEM Kubota control looks like it belongs on the tractor and maintains the ability to lift and curl the bucket simultaneously. The control kit for the Ansung just did not look right on a brand new tractor. If you look at the submission video, it has hoses popping up and out and just does not look right. The tires too were the same message. Thanks Neil.
Those teraforce grapples are pretty nice. But definitely too heavy for a small 2 frame. The 60 is much better for a large l or mx. (Source worked at a kubita dealer that sold terraforce. And they really weren't cheep)
The one thing that stands out is if it was financed via Kubota Credit. I don't think KC finances non Kubota equipment. Maybe they do, but if not, wouldn't that be considered fraud on the dealerships side? I know they require the serial number on both tractor and loader as I am waiting on a LA805 still, while the tractor is all ready with the 3 rear remotes installed, but can't buy it until the FEL arrives.
That's obviously a spool valve 3rd function manually operated, not electric/hydraulic. I like that. It's not as "pretty" but I think avoids the electric points of failure. I don't really like the mounting of the 3rd function. Just looks like a bad placement to me. Others may really like that placement.
hey Brandt, the third function might not look as slick as a press button type, but the hydraulic leaver will be more reliable than a press button, because, we bought an L3800 with a press button 3rd function it lasted a week then jammed shut, had to be replaced, you see the press button operates an electromagnetic valve and that jammed/failed somehow, what Niel said about skid steer attachment is true, get yourself a skid steer quick attach coupler.
Watching these videos is depressing. I'll never buy a tractor because no dealer will ever come close to Messick's and The Great Neil. A road trip may be in order...
Have you had any problems with the titan ag tires ? My 6060 came with them (14.9-26), the entire surface of the tire is very rough. I am worried they are a cheap tire that will fail in a few years. Thanks. The other brands of ag tire I have seem all have smooth surfaces.
@@mikeholubek4419 Checked, they are made in USA. So, hopefully they hold up. They look like something made in china or india. The Carisle's on the front are also made in the USA, but they have a much more refined/smooth finish.
I spent a lot of time researching too. However when it came time to buy I bought what was available, not what I really wanted. However I'm happy with what I got and in the end what I got might actually be better.
I think it's horrible what that dealer did by selling that aftermarket lower quality loader and 3rd function valve; and for the salesman to say it's the same as OEM he's is obviously completely unaware or knowingly deceived that gentleman. Knowing what I know now after decades buying Kubota machines no way are the aftermarket loaders the same quality as Kubota machines. Thanks Neil 🙂
Was it purchased new or used? It looks like it was a used tractor and the previous owner put that loader and valve on there. I can't see any Kubota dealer putting that loader on a new tractor.
@@MessicksEquip That's sad for an OEM dealer to be doing that. The tire comparison later in the video was quite dramatic, it's easy to see where the price difference comes from. You don't see that size difference when you are shopping online.
@@larrysplace0016 There sometimes are a couple different size options for Ag tires. I just got a new tractor with 'em and they're not much smaller than the R4s.
@@BD-dr1hw Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. My tractors and zero turn have turf tires but I'm trying to buy 90 acres from a guy so I hope to be tractor shopping soon.
Aftermarket loader and cheap way to do 3rd function. NOT GOOD PR FOR KUBOTA'S REPUTATION!!! The dealer should be called out for this!!! (Just my opinion)... Great job on staying neutral Neil👍👍
@Ross Outdoors He may have walked in with prices to beat or saying he only wanted to pay so much. Not sure what the circumstances were without both sides of the story.
Can't blame a dealer when rookie owners are obsessed with price shopping, always comparing a top tier brand with second tier tractors and attachments. In this case I am more disappointed with your viewer's friends and family who either did not know or bothered to explain the false savings. You cannot treat a tractor purchase like you were buying an F150.
Never get a loader or backhoe on a new tractor that is not OE. I can understand if you have an old used tractor that you need a loader or backhoe that is not available from the tractor manufacturer but those to items are way too tractor specific. Besides, (Tractor Mike pointed this out) if there is a problem with the loader or backhoe, the manufacturer will blame the tractor and the tractor manufacturer will blame the leader or backhoe manufacturer. Other implements i(including Grapples) are not going to be that big of problem from a 3rd party source but not loader and backhoes. BTW that 3rd valve looks like a total sh-- show. Neal I question the judgment of Brandt. Looks like he got his tractor from a bad used car lot.
Or maybe the dealer was trying to give the buyer the price he wanted. Did the buyer specify an OEM loader? Did the buyer specify the type of 3rd function control? Don't forget, we are only getting one side of the story.
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Thanks for answering the question! Unfortunately I was unaware of them not using OEM until the tractor was delivered. I did ask when the dropped it off but was told it was as good or better. The main reason I wanted to ask about this is so others would not be deceived like me. It does have a quick coupler on the front of the loader it’s just hard to see it in the video. I love the tractor just would have been nice for them to be straight up about it. I have learned to do my own research and not to just go with what your family, friends or dealership recommends. My mistake! I will say the Kubota community is amazing!
Thanks again
Brandt
Still might be something to continue to look into... does it say in the paperwork about it having an OEM loader or not or what details are given? It's hard to go by word of mouth anymore, but something in writing can be enough to have something different. Who knows, that loader may be good enough for whatever you need it for in its lifetime... only thing I could see a potential issue is if you decide to resell it and it has an offbrand loader on it with not much information about it (unlike other 3rd party loaders like Miller, Koyker, or Westendorf).
Is it possible that this was a supply chain result? With everything coming from overseas stuck on a boat in Los Angeles, perhaps the dealer was only able to source those items. If they tried to pawn the loader off as good or better than OEM, I would be downright angry though. Very rarely is something better than OEM, and then usually it sacrifices one area to better another.
I have an honest question as a Kubota salesman. Did you demand that the price was lower, or mention that you could get a cheaper off shore brand? I have had customers demand that I needed to "match a price" of something they saw on line, something like a rototiller. If price is all they are worried about and will not take my advice on "getting what you pay for", then yes they are getting a junk Chinese tiller. However if the dealer never talked about loader options and never discussed the fact you would be getting an off shore loader then I am not impressed by them. That third function looks terrible and compared to the Kubota kit it is way harder to use. Our dealership will only sell OEM loaders. But I am saving my judgement on if its the dealers fault based on whether you made the "cheapest price" the main issue.
@@mattb5029 I did not care about price at all. I didn’t realize it was going to have an aftermarket loader on it. I should’ve done research on what is the right loader for it. So in that sense I feel like this is partially my fault. But in no ways did the dealer explain anything would be different about my loader. The third function does look a little messy but I do not have the hoses run down the loader because I had taken my loader off and have not zip tied them back down the loader.
I have a Kubota l2501 hydrostat drive that I purchased in 2017. I purchased it already set up with the third valve function kit from the dealer, and I have never regretted it.
I love how I can raise and lower the boom while simultaneously curling, and then also opening and closing the grapple.
I got my grapple from everything attachments, and it is well sized to the machine.
After yrs of frustration with local kubota dealer, messicks had me straightened out in minutes with a phone call and a parts order. Cant recommend them enough. Thanks from northern Vermont
Adding a loader that is not from the OEM manufacturer is fine on a new tractor. What is concerning, is if the purchaser was not informed about the fact. As others have said if tractor was used and already had the loader the dealer is simply selling a used piece of equipment. If the buyer was mislead I would expect that Kubota would take issue with the dealer ship, as the dealership is damaging KUBOTA’s reputation.
That's what I was thinking. If not informed by the dealership then that's pretty messed up.
Depending on what he has in writing, he could get it swapped... the loader probably would be good enough for what he might need it for but I see a potential issue if he resells it some year down the road with a not-well-known loader on it.
You should always do your research before such a major purchase. Neil's videos are a great source of info to better educate yourself. Thanks Neil!
Great comment, $100 discount on next parts order. 🙈
Yep. I learned the hard way also. Told my dealer that he knew more about the box blade and rock rake than I did so deliver with the tractor what was appropriate. He low balled both implements and the quick attach. The root rake is garbage. The box blade does not cover my tire tracks.
Argh! But live and learn.
Now I am specific but still consider options.
Another GREAT video, spoken very well as to not offend and very informative, this is why I no longer purchase anything from my local Kubota shop and do my best to order everything through Messicks, despite my being on the west coast... support Neil and his company, this information is invaluable to us all... thank you Neil.
Neil, your honesty and knowledge are outstanding, I am really lucky and have a local Kubota dealer (Hays Tractor) that gives you great value for your money. Keep up the great work!
I live in the Appalachian Mtns, almost all tires here are R1s not R4s. When used Tractors are bought with R4s, they are quickly taken off.
The steep grades and high amount off annual rainfall, make them a neccessity.
WV boy here with r-1s
KY boy here with R1’s as well.
Neil, great video, having a sounding board to ask questions, is a fantastic help. Great service from a great company. Thanks for supporting the community. Cheers
The Ansung loader should serve him fine unless he's gonna be lifting full heavy buckets of gravel and sand 24/7. Keep it greased. My biggest issue is the third function setup on the machine. It looks a tiny bit sloppy.
I made the mistake of buying an L2501 with a pin on bucket. I ended up changing it out for the QA system.My dealer also sold me R-1 tires, which I regret, and if I get enough work this year, I will swap out for R-14 tires. The cost of the rims is the killer.Your parts department told me what to get, so thank you for that. I also installed front and rear hydraulics using Summit electric over hydraulic valves. I did this before I found a proliferation of Summit kits. I still saved a lot of money by buying the parts and setting it up myself.
I'll keep an eye out for this when i get the call to pick up my new MX5400 i just ordered today, thanks!
I think in the video the loader may be a skid steer quick attach, because I thought I saw ssqa Handles on it. However it sounds like the dealer may not have explained to him what he had. To me that isn't ethical.
Our family has recently struck a deal on a rops Grand L 3560 LE from a smaller dealership with two stores near our property in Western Arkansas. With the savings on the LE model we are having the Kubota OEM third function installed. Many thanks to Neil on going over the difference between the LE and regular version. We just don't need those features for our applications but we do need a third function for what our needs are. One thing that we couldn't get is the R14 tires the owner came into the salesman's office after he did some research and told us that Kubota can't get them yet on the Grand L series. The tractor is already in but the loader won't come in until early spring. It is worth the wait because they ordered it with the stronger 800 series loader. The owner said that they prefer to order that loader because it is better matched to what the Grand L 3560 can do. I agree and it is worth pay the extra to move to the R4 tires and the heavier loader. More later on what a larger Kubota dealer tried to do and lost our business.
Ansung are branded as Howard loaders here in Aus and I can tell you from a parts point of view they are a pain in the ass. I highly recommend the Kubota branded loaders.
hi Neal, i noticed, the loader looks like a John Deere where it attaches to the tractor ( looks like John Deere uses the same company ? ) but painted orange, , the bucket is not a 4 in 1, there is no skid steer quick attach ( so why get a third function ) , the third function is lever controll valve operated, third function hose lines going down toward the bucket are looped ( im guessing to shorten them cos thair not custom made lines to fit properly on that loader ? ), the hoses going up to third function are hanging out the side where a branch could rip them off without guards.
Neil - this was such great information. I enjoyed the entire video. Your knowledge and expertise are exactly the reason people trust your advice and equipment. Nice job.
Another outstanding video with great advice all around! Buy right and buy once!
Great job, Neil! 👍
After being an owner of a 2003 B7500(new), before skid steer mounts were available, I can tell you first hand, the skid steer mount sure would be appreciate if I had it now. I could have added some nice accessories. Still over all my B7500 has been a great machine. One thing extra I want to add, a couple years back I had to replace the ORIGINAL BATTERY, yes, it was 17 years old----------unbelievable, it was a Yuasa from Japan.
those original batteries are magic. Even today they outlast the replacements by double or more.
@@MessicksEquip My 2003 B2910 is still running it's original battery. The original engine block heaters were also great - I can leave it plugged in all winter (in MN). I just got a L4060LE and am told I should only plug in the heater for a couple hours to avoid burning it out.
4-5 hrs is all the time a block heater needs, (except maybe in Alaska type of temps) any longer is just costing U money.
Pay attention to the 110 cord and plug 4 any melting or cracking too.
The context is different, but, maybe not… I replaced the original 12 volt 2006 battery in my Toyota Camry hybrid ( that battery gets a LOT of use in+100,000 miles) in 2019. Pretty impressive. I’ve had Kubota tractors since 1990,
Since 1990, kept them from 6-18 years,only bought one battery ever. My local dealer ( Cochranville PA) only uses OEM Kubota parts on new tractors, period. Why I stay with them.
I was ready to purchase a Ansung loader for my MX had I not found the Kubota OEM loader at a dealer that was over stocked & the new MX model required a revised Kubota loader model. Also the Kubota dealer was willing to delete the bucket, the Ansung is a package, no separation of components. I have multiple skidsteer QA buckets for other tractors. At resale, the tractor retains higher value W/ OEM attachments , but difficult to ignore $1,000. loader cost Difference. At the price of used tractors currently, the buyer who scoffs at the loader brand will be told to simply get lost.
if something happens to that loader- say you bend a hydraulic ram- where do you get parts for it? in 20 years when say one of the skid-steer quick coupler arms gets bent, where are the replacement parts then? that's one thing I've found amazing about Kubota, I've bought several 20-40+ year old Kubota's and could go to my dealer and get almost any part i needed.
I have the Ansung backhoe on my L2501 and very pleased! It was considerably less money. I have probably 200 hours on it so far. I did know it was not a Kubota unit before purchasing.
Did they supply the subframe, etc?
I wouldn't be a happy customer if i came to pick up my brand new tractor, and it didn't have an OEM loader on it.. thats for sure!
We purchased a CaseIH tractor with a KMW loader because at the time the OEM loaders were backordered and given the market at this time they might have put the Ansung loader on if the factory loader would have taken longer to get. Hard to say.
Westendorf makes great after market loaders from what I've seen and used, and they have huge selection.
Non OEM components on a used machine is one thing... Aftermarket loader on a new machine is another matter. I would not have accepted that tractor.
I had a very specific list of requirements when I ordered my L4060 from Messicks in 2016, which were delivered exactly as ordered. They did recommend a change in the ssqa plow I selected, which was a wise change due to implement weight vs loader capacity.
Neil. Good job answering the question! Thank you!
I bought, my new Kubota LX 3310 from Messick's in Pennsylvania. I called 4 different dealerships here in NY. Got told the same thing no idea when there getting any tractor's in. One dealership tried seven ways to Sunday to get me to buy the 2610 I told him four different times I was not interested in the 2610 he continued. I called Messick's in Pennsylvania they were absolutely outstanding explain to him what I was looking for what I wanted two weeks later I went and picked up my tractor. This was a big purchase for my small farm. Messick's was great to deal with. They didn't try to sell me something I didn't want and even though I'm sure there's folks to spend a heck a lot more money than I do at their dealerships they treated me with respect and the customer service was great.
Thanks for your business. Can I ask who your salesman was?
Randy Mutters he was outstanding
Good solid information. Always do your homework before buying a piece of equipment.
The Kubota MX5200 we purchased last year has a Kubota front end loader and a Kubota 4 in 1 bucket along with a Kubota third function kit. This is a bit unusual in Australia as many Kubota tractors have loaders made by local manufacturers.
Australian made loaders seem to be as good as OEM ones in that for some brands they are OEM. Challenge is another local brand of loaders that seem to be pretty good.
Technically the loader is an attachment and isn't part of the base tractor...a lot of people don't know this, because 99% of all tractors on the lot have a loader attached to them...people just assume...it is deceiving in its presentation...I'd be curious to see the sale sheet where they list out all the parts...my kubota dealer itemized every single item I bought...since, well, there are several different loaders, buckets, etc available even from kubota
I have an L3901 with and Ansung loader. I bought it over a year ago. The money I saved was the price of a 5ft Land Pride rotary cutter. I had to do a little fiddling to get a third function kit installed, but I do not regret the choice at all. I saved a lot of money, and I have a tractor that fits my needs. If I had to buy all over again, I would still buy the Ansung loader. I wouldn't be too quick to poo-poo the Ansung equipment. I was not misled by the dealer though and I was fully aware that the loader was not a Kubota brand.
I know that our local kubota dealer was having issues getting loaders for the 2501s when Covid hit. I noticed those same loaders and some from westendorf on the smaller tractors. I asked a salesman what the issue was and he said those were the only loaders they could get at the moment!
When I bought my L4701HST, I was somewhat educated, but didn't fully understand the third function and rear remotes. I asked the dealer if I should add those, and they said "No, you don't need them". I very much wish I had known better and told them I wanted them. I could have rolled that into the financing and saved the cost and time of taking it back to the dealer to have them installed. I haven't done that yet, and I'm considering installing them myself (I have a fair idea what's involved at this point).
I don't know if the dealer thinks I would have balked at the cost they would have added, actually believed I didn't need them, or what. I don't think they misled me, but I don't think they fully explored how I planned to use it (for instance, grapples were never brought up).
My dealer told me the same thing, but I just bought a BX series Kubota, so there's really nothing that I'd have on my BX that would need the 3rd function or rear remotes. The 3rd function might be ok if they built a grapple for them that doesn't weigh a ton. I don't have a snow blower or front blade so the 3rd function for angling the blade or adjusting the chute on a blower isn't anything I'll ever need to worry about either.
So, in my case my dealer was right, I don't need any of that stuff.
same here.
There can be wisdom in salesmen talking buyers down from spending more . . . but also ignorance and arrogance. At the same time, there's a huge gap between the tractor enthusiasts, fanatics, and simply experienced owners and the typical dealership. It is common for salesmen to not know, or more likely pretend not to know, what a potential customer is talking about when an option is a little harder to get or means the shop has to get involved. An example I ran into was R14 tires at a JD dealership, just before they were coming down JD's pipeline everywhere at JD. I got them, no biggie, at a Kubota dealer.
Put them on yourself if you see value in them and save yourself the cost. I’m not familiar with the L series remotes, but did them on my BX. They come with instructions for doing the installation and it was pretty straightforward if you’re even remotely hands on. Worst case you you have the dealer do it if you get out over your skis.
@@wildbill23c I have rear remotes on my BX for a hydraulic top link and it is a big timer saver. Also can be used for a hydraulic angle for a rear blade. As for grapples, there are many companies out there, like everything attachments, that make grapples about as light as your bucket. You will pay a fair amount for it, but they are good units if you need a grapple
Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all this video comes up. I am shocked a Kubota dealer would pull this.
Thanks for this Video never would have guessed!
yeah looks like they got him pretty good. Yeah, I’ve learned you just do go the a dealer without doing your home work. You’ll get screwed!
Now I was hoping that dealer will disclose to their customers that they’re not using OEM parts, just for the sake of clarity
I find it odd that Neil didn't mention product availability shortages as a possibility for why the selling dealer used an Ansung loader. It's possible that Kubota shipped the dealer several tractors without loaders and the dealer opted to install this loader because Kubota said it might be 6 months or more before they have a loader to put on. I agree, OEM is preferred, but I've heard good things about Ansung and this might be the case.
Someone definitely didn't do much research before buying. That is clearly not a Kubota loader and the valve is not the standard Kubota one either. That 3rd function kit also looks like hell.
Loader is not usual on it, but is has a live 3rd function without a diverter , id like to know how it is setup but is seems like it is last in circuit , wich is good if the loader valve can handle the return pressure. Is has the ssqa so thats a plus
8:30 2% of sales for Ag tires? I suspect most people buy R4 tires because they look good instead of getting the tire that is most suitable for their application.
we bought r4 for duel purpose, soft on lawn, grip in mud, and they are less likely to puncture because they are industrial.
@@Shane_O.5158 I've talked to old farmers who only use R1s. R1s are superior in grip and longevity. One farmer said he's never had a flat
Sorry but we have had our R1 go flat on our mid 80s Kubota. Also they tear up the grass when it's really wet. However they were great in the snow when we had so much falll last winter which is very unusual to get that much.
@@jimmcknight3021 wow. Mid 80s Kubota. So one flat in forty years? 🤣
@@nervousordo Well we have had it for only 3.5 years so I have no clue of what happened before our time with it. Good Tractor , but we have outgrown it. New Grand L 3560 on the way. LOL
Liked this explanation very good message and answer!
Happy New Year Neil! Great information as usual. Aloha!
I have an Ansung 2545 loader with SSQA on my Kubota L3301 and have been very pleased. It is a strong loader for the tractor and I have been able to dig with it and load logs. I have r-1 tires.
I remember the old days when no one offered much in OEM loaders Unless it was a IH tractor or deere were the only 2 oems that offered it but 90% of the tractors they might have sold all had different loaders since most dealers all sold a few shortlines like Farmhand, Woods, GB, Westendorf , Koyker , Landpride , Miller, and it was not odd to see IH loaders on other brands of tractor in my area . Tractor loaders being OEM did not take off til the 1990s i would say
local dealer tried this. also tried to give me cheap offbrand attachments instead of the land pride like i wanted for more than the land pride. ended up going to another dealer 2 hours away instead of the local one that tried to overcharge me for non oem
don't worry about faded paint, mine faded weeks after we bought it bran new, i will be painting it green in protest when it fades so bad it starts rusting, Kubota - fix your paint fadeing problem.
Was fixed 4-5 years ago.
I took delivery of my BX23S in September of 2019 and its not faded at all. My 1999 B21 on the other hand looks pastel orange
I'm guessing here but did that dealer maintain Kubota's pricing while installing bottom of the line components and options?
Shout out to Todd at Springdale Tractor in Arkansas who walked me through the differences between the OEM loader and the Ansung a week before this video dropped. The OEM Kubota control looks like it belongs on the tractor and maintains the ability to lift and curl the bucket simultaneously. The control kit for the Ansung just did not look right on a brand new tractor. If you look at the submission video, it has hoses popping up and out and just does not look right. The tires too were the same message. Thanks Neil.
do you recall the cost difference?
@@MessicksEquip It was $500=$600 between the two. I have zero regrets in going OEM.
Awesome video
I don’t see any grease fittings. Where are they hidden?
I have the Ansung loader (mine is SSQA though) and it has zerks everywhere.
Wow! I’d be pi$$ed if a dealer did that to me, but buyers should also know what they’re buying. Great video
Those teraforce grapples are pretty nice. But definitely too heavy for a small 2 frame. The 60 is much better for a large l or mx. (Source worked at a kubita dealer that sold terraforce. And they really weren't cheep)
The one thing that stands out is if it was financed via Kubota Credit. I don't think KC finances non Kubota equipment. Maybe they do, but if not, wouldn't that be considered fraud on the dealerships side? I know they require the serial number on both tractor and loader as I am waiting on a LA805 still, while the tractor is all ready with the 3 rear remotes installed, but can't buy it until the FEL arrives.
KCC does finance other brand equipment, but not at subsidized rates.
That's obviously a spool valve 3rd function manually operated, not electric/hydraulic. I like that. It's not as "pretty" but I think avoids the electric points of failure.
I don't really like the mounting of the 3rd function. Just looks like a bad placement to me.
Others may really like that placement.
hey Brandt, the third function might not look as slick as a press button type, but the hydraulic leaver will be more reliable than a press button, because, we bought an L3800 with a press button 3rd function it lasted a week then jammed shut, had to be replaced, you see the press button operates an electromagnetic valve and that jammed/failed somehow, what Niel said about skid steer attachment is true, get yourself a skid steer quick attach coupler.
Good video and educational 👍🏻
They tried that with me and i sent my tractor back. After a lot of arguments the owner finally gave me the la525.
Yep the dealership got him good
Neil what is the tractor behind you or I guess to your left in the video?
I worked for a Kubota dealer Kubota loaders are very hard to get right now that's probably why you have an aftermarket loader
I use an uncles farm tractor. The bucket is not tight. Non-oem bucket. I would rather do alot of front end loader work on an L4330.
Watching these videos is depressing. I'll never buy a tractor because no dealer will ever come close to Messick's and The Great Neil. A road trip may be in order...
gotta chuckle out of that one :-)
I definitely would go to Messick’s next time. Worth the road trip!
Good Dealers are hard to come by I see, they are not all like Messick's.
My dealer told me there was a loader shortage.
So I Settled for ansung loader.
Have you had any problems with the titan ag tires ? My 6060 came with them (14.9-26), the entire surface of the tire is very rough. I am worried they are a cheap tire that will fail in a few years. Thanks. The other brands of ag tire I have seem all have smooth surfaces.
I can't say I've seen a tire from any company ,Titan included, that I would call "rough". Maybe check with your dealer, manufacturing defect maybe?
Sidewall will tell U where its made (country)
@@mikeholubek4419 Checked, they are made in USA. So, hopefully they hold up. They look like something made in china or india. The Carisle's on the front are also made in the USA, but they have a much more refined/smooth finish.
Id rather have a manual valve body than a electric any day, far easier to fix, rebuild and maintain.
Yep get educated. I spent 18 months researching and learning prior to my purchase. Also buy once cry once.
I spent a lot of time researching too. However when it came time to buy I bought what was available, not what I really wanted. However I'm happy with what I got and in the end what I got might actually be better.
I think it's horrible what that dealer did by selling that aftermarket lower quality loader and 3rd function valve; and for the salesman to say it's the same as OEM he's is obviously completely unaware or knowingly deceived that gentleman. Knowing what I know now after decades buying Kubota machines no way are the aftermarket loaders the same quality as Kubota machines. Thanks Neil 🙂
It's very possible this was not misrepresented at all. The buyer just didn't know what he was purchasing.
good video Neil....
I wonder if the selling dealer could not get Kubota loaders so they put the other on it so they could sell him a tractor sooner rather than later?
Was it purchased new or used? It looks like it was a used tractor and the previous owner put that loader and valve on there. I can't see any Kubota dealer putting that loader on a new tractor.
There are several dealers who do install that loader on new tractors.
@@MessicksEquip That's sad for an OEM dealer to be doing that. The tire comparison later in the video was quite dramatic, it's easy to see where the price difference comes from. You don't see that size difference when you are shopping online.
@@MessicksEquip That blows my mind that an OEM dealer would pull that.
@@larrysplace0016 There sometimes are a couple different size options for Ag tires. I just got a new tractor with 'em and they're not much smaller than the R4s.
@@BD-dr1hw Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. My tractors and zero turn have turf tires but I'm trying to buy 90 acres from a guy so I hope to be tractor shopping soon.
The graphics on the loader. What? Then that massive valve body just... That's not OEM.
Aftermarket loader and cheap way to do 3rd function. NOT GOOD PR FOR KUBOTA'S REPUTATION!!! The dealer should be called out for this!!! (Just my opinion)... Great job on staying neutral Neil👍👍
UA-cam nation- you mostly get what you pay for!!! Saving money upfront most always will cost you later... SEE THE BIGGER PICTURE😉
@Ross Outdoors He may have walked in with prices to beat or saying he only wanted to pay so much. Not sure what the circumstances were without both sides of the story.
I had no idea until after it was delivered and to late. I should have learned more first… definitely wasn’t trying to save money
cob job 3 valve set up
I does not look like a Kubota loader or OEM hose hookup. Bucket doesn't match paint.
Doesn't say "Kubota" on it. 2rd function valving looks suspicious. Pivots didn't have zerks
I have the Ansung loader (mine is SSQA though) and it has zerks everywhere.
If I bought a kubota ( I have 2 ) and the dealer sold me a cheese bucket loader without my knowledge I would be full pissed off.
Just another case of a dealer using that "premium" name to slap junk onto a package and be able to sell it unfortunately
Kubota parts and accessories can be expensive. The quality makes it worth the added expense. Spread out over the life of the tractor it’s not much.
excellent video on
His "third function" problution is grounds for a lawsuit.
Bullshit, I've bought sketchier vehicles from a used car lot. That third function would be better if the hoses were routed to the front properly.
Hes got a branson loader
In my opinion, Brandt has a bad dealer. I wonder how Kubota feels about that.
That guy got SCREWED!
I noticed the dudes speech a little slurred !! Lol , maybe he was hitting a little grandpas secret sauce before hitting record ! 🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
At least the loader has a better paint job then the well faded Kabota tractor.
Neil were you that kid in Married with Children,
nobody remembers his name, everybody remembers Christina applegate.
@@Shane_O.5158 Bud
LOL
Interesting
Looks like a loader that would be on a Mahindra.
👍
Maybe not a kubota loader
Can't blame a dealer when rookie owners are obsessed with price shopping, always comparing a top tier brand with second tier tractors and attachments. In this case I am more disappointed with your viewer's friends and family who either did not know or bothered to explain the false savings. You cannot treat a tractor purchase like you were buying an F150.
You live and learn!
Never get a loader or backhoe on a new tractor that is not OE. I can understand if you have an old used tractor that you need a loader or backhoe that is not available from the tractor manufacturer but those to items are way too tractor specific. Besides, (Tractor Mike pointed this out) if there is a problem with the loader or backhoe, the manufacturer will blame the tractor and the tractor manufacturer will blame the leader or backhoe manufacturer. Other implements i(including Grapples) are not going to be that big of problem from a 3rd party source but not loader and backhoes. BTW that 3rd valve looks like a total sh-- show. Neal I question the judgment of Brandt. Looks like he got his tractor from a bad used car lot.
That's not the right loader
Or maybe the dealer was trying to give the buyer the price he wanted. Did the buyer specify an OEM loader? Did the buyer specify the type of 3rd function control?
Don't forget, we are only getting one side of the story.