One-Plane vs Two-Plane Golf Swing [Which is Better?]
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2019
- This topic adresses the main differences between a one-plane swing and a two-plane swing and why having pieces from BOTH swings in your game can be harmful. It is best to be either one-plane or two-plane, but never in-between.
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This was the best description of the single plane swing I’ve heard. Mo Norman was famous for it and I never knew that Hogan used it until I saw this video.
Thanks!! I'm very glad to know that you enjoyed this comparison and the one-plane description!!
Tom
PS: By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/
I am 68, bad right knee (need a replacement), horrible lower back pain and have been playing for 40 years. I watched Toms introduction to the Stack and Tilt swing and proceeded to watch another five of his videos. After two days I finally went to the range. The first ten balls were bad because it was a new experience. I started to use the S&T method and could not believe the results. Within the first 20 ball I was hitting an 8 as far as my 7. Every club in my bag responded to this new swing. 95% of my shots after the first 15 balls were straight, clean and effortless. My driver is slightly longer in flight, but the spin on the ball makes it fly past my old distance. What is amazing is zero knee or back pain after about 100 balls. I cannot thank you enough, Tom. You just made the next twenty years more enjoyable.
Bullshit.
6:15 explains exactly why those horrible hooks occur. I tried this and it worked like a charm! Thanks!
Awesome! I'm very glad to know that this helped you to conquer your hooking tendencies, and I appreciate your sharing that!!
Keep up the great work! 💪💪
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is performing well for you, I am confident you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hogan was a perfect one planer and played with irons 4 degrees flat.
I like how you show the right stuff...I'm 64 now my boys watched dad play golf in my younger days. I had a 3 handicap...my oldest doesn't play anymore but my youngest has taken the game up and is pretty good. He's overseas right now with the military. I see what he's doing, but he won't listen to me...it's called stubbornness. I can drop his score down but I guess he doesn't want to listen to me, cause I am just old. He's gone out and spent over 1000.00 for clubs, but he can't break 95...he hits it a mile and has killed many monkeys...I am sending him your channel and maybe he will listen to you...love your philosophy!!
I'm so sorry for the monkeys, they take a lot of crap nowadays with the ball flying in the woods all the time. TIME FOR HIM TO SWITCH TO MY ANTI- MONKEY SWING
Okay, stumbled across your videos as a result of COVID19 isolation. I'm really glad I found you! You're very good at explaining techniques. Before seeing this video I never knew about one-plane vs two-plane swing; fascinating stuff! I realized I'm one of those guys stuck in the 1 1/2 plane swing! As a result, I've been very inconsistent. I gravitate toward the one plane naturally but I couldn't because the lie angle of my clubs would be off. Now I know why! Thanks very much!!
Dang dude, I’ve had a 2 plane set up with a one plane swing. Fixed my address to the ball along with awareness of my lead arm lining up with my shoulders on the backswing and boom. Pure consistency. Thank you man! If you’re in Myrtle Beach in July I would love to take a lesson! 🤙🏼
Awesome!! I'm very glad to know that this video helped you figure it out. Nice job!!
I had phased out private lessons (both in-person and virtual) awhile back so I could dedicate more time to my online school. I've not yet set a date for when I will resume them, but when I do - which I hope will be soon - the virtual lessons and swing video analysis service will be reserved exclusively for my online school members. In-person lessons at my Pawleys Island location will be open to members and non-members. If you are in my online school please send me a message through the "chat" feature and I will add you to my list to be notified when slots open up. If you are not in the school yet, that would be a great starting point as it is designed to get golfers on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, structured, sequential platform. The school is where you will find very detailed lessons and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step, position-by-position from setup to finish, along with diagnostic and corrective tools for resolving common swing, contact, and ball flight issues, and much more. Thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. At just $14.99/month or $149.99 per year the value in terms of what you get for that price point is beyond comprehension, and based on proven results it represents by far the best golf instruction deal on the planet.
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Thanks for your message, keep up the great work, and I hope to see you soon in the school and then this summer in person!
Tom
I switched over to 1-plabe 2 years ago but didn't know all these differences and no wonder I was hooking a bit. Now I feel that I know a lot more and would never go back to a 2-plan swing. Thank you Tom.
Thanks for sharing, Eddie - I'm glad this episode assisted you in figuring out your hooking tendencies!
Keep up the great work, and should you ever wish to get more structured and detailed instruction on the swing method I teach, please consider my online school for just $10 US/month or $99/year. Here's a link if you'd like more info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga
Cheers!
Tom
the drivers i use are 56 and 57 degree lie angles...irons are bent two degrees flat from standard....(5 iron is 58 deg. vs. 62...makes a very big diff in hitting....thanks for mentioning this.
One Plan swing is Mo Norman...
Keep on, and thx...
Great tips, I like the way you simplify instructions.
I discovered the one plane recently and this is the best explanation of exactly what I struggle with between the two swings.
Just found this and it's gold. I had a few lessons where instructors told me to lower my hands below my shoulder but they never explained why and it got forgotten but now that you have explained what it means I understand and know how important it is. I think some coaches see their jobs as fixing ball flights instead of teaching about golf like you do.
I appreciate your kind words, Ryan, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and style are resonating with you!
You are absolutely correct in that my channel's lessons and tips are not a compilation of band-aid fixes - they are all elements of the comprehensive swing system that I teach. Now, could someone deploy one of my tips to field dress a swing wound? Absolutely. However, it will ultimately serve them far better - and will stand the test of time and pressure - if they adopt and embrace the system in its entirety, and that is precisely what the online school does in a structured and sequential learning environment. Thousands of folks across the globe are now playing the best golf of their lives as a result, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. And here's a link to Yes - my free mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Embrace a system, embrace the challenge, and you will ultimately embrace ownership of a well-functioning swing and the resulting ball striking bliss it provides!
Thanks again for your comment!
Tom
Absolute best explanation I have heard. Great job.
You described me perfectly. I was keeping my hands too low and trying to swing on one plane. Now that I set up with my hands a bit higher, I can see in my mind's eye the plane I need to start on. I simply try to stay on that plane on the way back. I also notice how well you keep your chin up and swing under a steady head. If I keep my chin too low, my left shoulder hits it and causes me to sway off the ball. The two-plane swing takes way too much practice and coordination. Sure, it works once in a while, but having to shallow out the club on the way down is very difficult to do correctly. It's easy to get too shallow or not shallow enough, leading to a lot of inconsistency. From now on I'm a single-plane golfer!
Great job figuring it out, Jim, and welcome to a far more consistent, low-maintenance, powerful, and body-friendly method of swinging the club! Based on your comments you may also find some helpful one-plane vs. two-plane information in this lesson: ua-cam.com/video/0IxI_qmaF_A/v-deo.html
Beyond that, if you'd really like to get on the fast track towards properly learning this swing system in a comprehensive, structured, sequential learning platform, please consider my online school. So many folks across the globe are now playing the best golf of their lives as a result. Here's a link if you would like to know more about it: saguto.golf
Keep up the great work and have fun out there!!
TS
What I love about TS... The amount of time he takes to get into it. He doesn't take up the whole video with unnecessary info.
Thanks, Tom, for this great information. I have been searching for years for a swing that would give me solid contact. You explained it in a way that allowed me to implement it immediately. Went to the range and gained 10 - 15 yards with my irons. Really liked your other video about folding the right arm as a back swing thought.
Your one of the best teachers out there and hope your Chanel really starts to gain attention :)
Thanks @sausage ben - I sincerely appreciate your kind words and support!!
Tom
AWESOME lesson! I am no excited to get to the range and work on the one plane swing, i think it will really help my ball striking. Thanks for the tips, you do great 👍
Thnks for your vid... A lot of useful advices... I adjust 1 degree and still in trouble, shall do more then.
You break the golf swing down into simple mechanics with simple examples. Short & Sweet. Thanks, Tom
Thank you Garth!!
great info. I experienced much the same. went to a guy a few years ago who turned me into a one planer. took me a couple of years to lower my backswing. I turned into a good long iron player with a one plane. One swing with driver to sandwedge. I like how you cleared up the straightening of the right leg. I was struggling a tad when my teach came over and said your left knee is moving wrong. He wanted me to make sure i bent it away from me, and not move it towards my right foot on the backswing. That move makes you straighten your right leg on the take back. Great tweak. You can't miss the ball playing this way
Great comment! It is quite an adjustment at first but with commitment to the one plane swing it ends up working well for you over the long term. The most difficult part is being stuck somewhere between the two types of swings - it doesnt work well there. I'm glad to hear that you are doing well with the one plane!
I really wish people would understand how important lowering your lead shoulder is. I am 70 and after years of never having a confident swing, I now have a swing that’s repeatable and very long. If I do this the club finds its way to the proper slot. If I do a fake turn , I’m guaranteed to hit a big fat slice. The only swing thought is turn shoulder down to the ball. That’s it. This new found confident swing has me hitting from the tips. Thanks Tom. This is a real class and a real education.
You ARE the best teacher out there. 👏👌👍
No flash, no glitz, just good ol plain talk that perfectly explains the difference between these two styles. Great!
One of your best. Loved it. I will try it after 40 years of struggling. thanks.
Thanks Brad! Let's put an end to the struggling!!
In this regard, if you'd really like to get on the fast track towards owning this swing please consider the SagutoGolf online school. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only learning system for the entire swing and much more. This really simplifies the process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm constantly adding new content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
Cheers!
Tom
Just had a spinal fusion and was looking for a body friendly swing. Been trying it for several days and it works..no pain at all. Thank you. We go to Myrtle every year. I am going to look you up for sure.
Excellent tip. Thanks Tom.
Mr. Tom Saguto, I'm so grateful to you for such a valuable golf swing plane technical analysis tip. Technical, but in layman term feeding all weekend golfers out there including me. I understand every word you said. I've been taught years back to lift and drop the club. Complicate and frustrating to say the least. Your notion about forming golf swing relationship with the ball and ground by rotating the body is really enlightening. Applaud from Hong Kong.
Thank you CK! The info has to be simple enough that anyone can do it or understand what they're doing - that's my job as an instructor anyways. I hope this works well for you!
Great lesson Tom., can’t wait to get back to golf to work on these things. Cheers
Great analysis. Nice setup for Jim Hardy’s book. Thank you again
From Spain , very good explanation. Thks u
I’m a 60 year old golfer. Longest drives were about 230 yards with a fade. Tried this at the driving range yesterday. Woah! Hit 270 yards with perfect draw bang on target. This really works! Thanks Tom!
Well, I'd say that's rather substantial, Tim!!!
I'm very glad this lesson video resonated so well with you, and I hope you'll stick around for more content on my channel!!
Thanks for sharing your success and keep up the great work!!
Tom
This has been an eye opener for me ...... been changing my swing to find a more body friendly and faster swing. Somehow intuitively I've been gravitating to a swing that you are describing here. Your explanations filled in the missing pieces so now I am feeling and understanding what I am doing. Many thanks.
So glad that this information is transforming your game for the better!
Thank you Tom, you're probably the best teacher out there.
Thank you Ash!
lmao, he's horrible!
@@rangepro Are you joking? Tom has great communication skills and he knows what he's talking about.
@@JackRainfield yes!!!!i love him lol!!!
Taught me
Thank you. That was helpful. It reminds me of the book "The Plane Truth for Golfers" by Jim Hardy
Hey Tom been watching your videos for a couple of weeks because I want to get back in to golf ,,, haven’t played for well over 25 years because of my back.. I’m 65 now and your explanation is so good,, keep up the good work young man well done
I truly appreciate your kind words, George!! I'm very glad to know that you're coming back to this great game, and I hope these videos will assist you in the process!
By the way, just a quick thought - if you'd really like to get on the fast track towards learning this swing please consider enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only learning system for the full swing and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm constantly adding new content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
Thanks again!
Tom
love the videos I haven't got it 100 percent down yet and I do believe I need to adjust my lie angles but I am hitting the ball a lot more consistent and not as sore after a round anymore. thanks I am here in Aynor, SC I am really planning on going to Pawleys Island soon as this virus mess calms down so I can get a lesson I think I will instantly be better. keep the videos rolling man GREAT JOB!!!
Awesome video! Your explanations make so much sense.
Thanks Mark!
A great method to hut more confident shot!
Thanks bro...ur explanation is really good.easy to understand...i got my swing back..thank u so much.tq
It looks so simple when you do it Tom.
Cheers Tom you allways help me with my golf
I'm happy to be of assistance, Robert!!
Cheers!
Tom
Tom.Thnk you for clear explanation..
You're very welcome - I'm glad you found this video to be helpful!!
Thanks for your comment!
Tom
Eureka!! I really think this explains why I've started hitting the ball left🏌🏼 I can't wait to put it into action⛳️
Thanks Tom , all this tips are going to improve my golf. Really Thank you very much.
My pleasure, Oscar! Have fun out there!!
Tom
Great advice which is clear and concise. I think this video give the best explanation of the difference between one and two plane swings. I absolutely agree that the one plane is more natural and in my case easier to master but its really good that you have mentioned the pitfalls of being in between the two swing types.
Thanks Alan - I'm very glad to know that this video from the archives resonated well with you!
Correct - I do not recommend crisscrossing between the two methods as it could lend itself to confusion since there are conflicting elements. Of course you know where my preference lies after having done both....😎
Cheers!
Tom
Hi Tom, thanks alot fot your instruction, best of the best.. when my hands/ handle set up far away as you said , i feel the disconnection between the upper arm and armpit.. thanks for tour advice and correction.. or you need more forward bend to keep the connection?
Just great sound instruction, and glad you favored the 1 plane. . If I had to do it all over again, I would have never even tried the 2 plane, too many moving parts that can break down in pressure situations.
Thanks - I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you!!
I was once a two-planer as well. Here is the story of my "conversion" 😎: ua-cam.com/video/PM8lNNrMPEk/v-deo.html
This body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and it is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
Thousands of folks across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players - are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result of learning this swing system through my online school, and I'm happy to let their unsolicited testimonials tell the story: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews. Compare and contrast that with the sad reality that despite all the advances in equipment, technology, golf course grooming, etc. the average golfer still struggles to break 100. Epic failures within the realm of “conventional” instruction, perhaps??? So many misconstrued and/or misguided teachings - such as taking the club straight back, turning the shoulders level while independently lifting the arms, shifting into and torquing against a firm trail side, actively rolling the hands through impact, etc. - have relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of inconsistency and chronic frustration (and chronic back/knee/hip pain as well).
Tom
You are correct Tom, the single plane swing is the bomb but you can very easily get stuck between new and old swing. There are two people I turn to when having problems you and kirk junge, both are excellent at explaining how to use SPS. Thanks for tip in video.
I appreciate that, David, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction is resonating with you! And indeed, this body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system is "the bomb" since it is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology, and is modeled on empirical observations of the game's most prolific ball strikers. As such it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everyone in between, inclusive of the best players in the world. Watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
The transformation from a two-plane "shift & lift" motion certainly takes time as we work to gradually eradicate those stubborn ghosts of swings past. It's a very worthwhile process, though, as it ultimately leads us to the land of consistent ball striking bliss.
By the way, would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thanks again!
Tom
This really helps!!!!! I’m stuck in the middle, thanks!!!!!
Great!! I'm glad this lesson video resonated well with you, Tracy!!
Tom
clement is a very good one, a real scientist as todd graves is alike. kirk junge is to mention as well. but tom saguto tops them all: lead by common sense he makes explanations easy to understand, concentrates on the basics (does not get lost in science) . this kiss-approach is the best recipe for the average fun/hobby golfer. many thanks to tom !
I sincerely appreciate your kind words and the comparisons to some truly great instructors, Thomas, and I'm very glad to know that my lesson content and teaching style are resonating with you!
This body-friendly, powerful, consistent, low-maintenance swing system is designed to provide a lifetime of great ball striking, and since it is rooted in physics, geometry, and human physiology it does not discriminate by age or ability - from kids to seniors and everything in between, and inclusive of the best players in the world. I just do my best to convey it in my own simplified manner.
Thanks again for your message and support!!
Tom
PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured way? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the formal instruction method that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
More gold from the only rocking golf instructor I know ... will adjust my hands out under my chin .
Thank you buddy. It’s been working for me God bless
Fantastic!! I'm very glad to know that this instruction is benefiting your game, Baldemar!!
Thanks for sharing and God Bless!!
Tom
Subscribed! A refreshing change from what I have been used to from other popular golf you tubers . But your more recent videos you seemed to look different besides longer hair of course 😁 Your tilt swing reminds me a bit how Mike Austin does(?)
Excellent !
This is an outstanding well detailed explanation that for me is very useful. Now I need to execute on this information! Practice range tomorrow!
Thanks Jon - I'm glad you enjoyed it and I hope it resonated well for you in your practice range session!!
Cheers!
Tom
PS: Have you considered enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school? For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive "Crispier Than KFC Club" UA-cam channel members' content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga
Good stereo~ The bike went through right to left~
Great stuff Tom I am 1 plain swing so helps big time..🏴
All that is good! Thnks Tom.
Great explanation of the single plane swing. I’m working on transitioning to it along with dead hand chipping to get as many variables out of my game as possible. May I also suggest that at about 4:00 minutes into the Nicklaus v. Snead 1963 Shell’s WWOG a great comparison is shown of their swings. Nicklaus, high takeaway, standing close to the ball two piece and Snead, what is called a classic one piece. Finally, I have found that a little weaker grip is helpful.
Hi David,
I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you! If interested, here is the story of my "conversion" from a two-plane swing to this swing system: ua-cam.com/video/PM8lNNrMPEk/v-deo.html
And here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning some key aspects of the method I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/
Thanks for your comment and keep up the great work!
Tom
This is gold! Gold Jerry! Even though as a former one planer myself I vehemently disagree with Tom's conclusion that one plane is essentially better and more body friendly this should be mandatory viewing for any aspiring golfer. And in a perfect world it would be referenced in every single discussion of the swing. It would clear up 99.99% of golfy golf confusion. In fact if I were younger I would sincerely quit my day job and create a channel unlike any others I've seen that presents both planes in every single tutorial. In my experience this complete lack of awareness to the two methods is why there continues to be even more confusion about this game as in idk say 1985. But it's all good, it's fun to keep clicking and support a good cause...Speaking of which would love to see Tom in two plane mode. Full bucket, no commentary needed, but certainly welcome ;)
Oh. Hello, Newman......😎
You may find glimpses of "Two-Plane Tommy" in this video: ua-cam.com/video/PM8lNNrMPE/v-deo.html
Beyond that, NO SOUP FOR YOU! NEXT!!!
@@SagutoGolflol my comment was totally Newman...but seriously?! Ill take a glimpse...I'll take whatever i can get..two plane is a passion if mine aka i care a lot more about two plane than I do about properly delivering all the mail...will click on Two Plane Tommy in a few...
@@SagutoGolf uhoh two plane Tommy is DOA.
凄く良い ありがとう。Awesome, Thank you!
Thanks Hoshida Katsumi - I'm very glad you enjoyed the video!!
I hope you will subscribe to my channel if you have not already done so!
Tom
Thanks. Love your inst. I’m 85 and play every opportunity. jsc
That's Awesome, John!! I'm very glad to know that you are enjoying my instruction.
Thanks for sharing and have fun out there!!
Tom
I’ve been watching your videos for most of this year. And I have to say this one helped me probably the most. This just fixed my swing first try. I was hitting really well a few weeks ago and all of a sudden I just couldn’t hit anything. I was caught between the two planes. My issue was I was rolling my hands and I was standing straight up. Thank you so much for this video. Not all videos are created equal. This one by far is my favorite and helped me understand what I was doing wrong. The other issue I was having that may help other viewers is I was not turning my body I was using my arms to put them in the slot on my back swing. I think it is key to turn your shoulders and let the arms follow. Thanks again you Rock! Ps do you have any literature that you recommend in regards to stack and tilt ?
I'm very glad to know that this lesson video resonated so well for you!!
With regard to not all videos being created equal, it is important to understand that the videos, lessons, and drills on this free channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, and common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a sequential learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards learning and owning this swing. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course layout greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm constantly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
As for literature, you can purchase a copy of the book titled "The Stack & Tilt Swing" by Mike Bennett and Andy Plummer, which I recommend to anyone wishing to have a reference manual for the deeper, finer points of this swing.
Thanks for your comment and keep up the great work!!
Tom
SagutoGolf thanks Tom. In regards to the not all videos being created equal. I meant from other channels to yours. You have really great Informative videos. I will check out your subscription as I’m paying $90 a lesson right now and can get more information for the year at the price of one lesson. Thanks again for all your videos.
IMHO and after 50 years in golf and instruction.... If you want to teach it simply and quickly, the golf swing is not about positions.. it is about alignments. There are two shoulder planes and one of them is useless. There is the shoulder plane as Hogan has it (his sheet of glass) in his '5 lessons', then there is the Turned Shoulder Plane. In your lingo Two Plane and One Plane. Homer Kelley was about 50 years ahead of PGA teaching in the Turned Shoulder Plane alignment and generally getting useless "shifts" (which without exception involve "timing") out of all parts of the swing. Problem with Kelley was he wrote The Golfing Machine like an Engineer (terrible writing). Plus there was the outright discrimination and smearing by the PGA Industry which likes to make the Golf Swing so complicated (they want to charge for endless lessons). TGM is not one swing, it is an Encyclopedia of 24 components of the swing, the several variations of each component, and which ones fit together for the golfer's predominant individual Motion/Action. Teaching the "single plane" eradicates any potential of problems with about 5 or 6 components. Want a quick fix? Your lie issue with the Turned Shoulder alignment can be fixed in 3 swings.. try this .. Once you have them on plane, shift their cognition. 99.9% of golfers don't realize it, but their grip and cognitive alignment are straight down the shaft to the heel of the club. Without explaining why, tell them their grip, right trigger finger and thinking during setup should be "aimed" towards the sweet spot of the face (instead of the default of the shaft line). In a few swings, this suggested "aimshift" with adaptable students, and as if by magic, they will reposition their arm and hands so they stay on the Turned Shoulder plane and the full length of the bottom of the clubface is involved in the balanced compression of the ball. You are getting lefts and pulls when you just teach the one plane without this note because their heel of the club is hitting the ground milliseconds first and he's getting uneven compression or just a plain closed face. If you want to see the visual on this, take a look at Juli Inkster's swing. First she sets up old fashioned, then a split second before she begins her swing, her hands and arms shift into proper alignment for her, then the swing starts back. Jo Ann Carner (another LPGA hall-of-Famer) tried to teach her proper alignment. Carner couldn't get Inkster worked out until she told her "to do whatever she had to do" to get her hands, arms and trigger finger aimed at the sweet spot on the face. Inkster worked it out to do it in 2 steps of sorts. Set-up, then shift into the swing. Carner then became pizzed off at herself, because she had taken a competitor she could easily beat, and turned her into LPGA Hall-of-Fame class competitor who was always up her sss when Carner was trying to effortlessly win her last couple of Majors and quietly retire. Sorry that was long, but it's Spring and I can't start with my students because everything is COVD-19 closed. Plus I'm getting old and there is so much history about golf and the golf swing which is getting lost under the weight of PGA MegaCorporation today-only-PR and general bullshat. The least I can do is leave small drams of it at places like this. If it helps one person, that's good. ;)
Hi Tom, I am confused about the right knee. I never was allowed to straighten it. It looks like you allow to straighten the right knee in the backswing?
If I wanted to look at some images of pros using the 1 plane swing..what tour pros use this type of swing? Thanks!
How did I miss this vid before. Best explanation. I think you solved the missing link on my distance from the ball. Might need to gey so e irons bent when I get back home. Range can't open soon enough
I'm glad to know that this lesson from the archives connected the dots for you!
With regard to "bending" your irons, don't be so quick to do so without seeing a professional fitter first. Consider that the ideal downswing path is the ideal downswing path, regardless of whether you lift the club up and must then "drop it in the slot" or - as taught here - you just put it in the slot to begin with and keep it there!
TS
@SagutoGolf
ONE PLANE ALL THE WAY!!
Just got back from the range. Took a few swings, then started throwing that club away, stood a little further, made sure my contact point was after tge ball, pretended my club was "Roger," and it spent the next 45 mins flushing almost everything!! Some squirter here, but I definitely got on with that 4i. Might have to flatten it a degree or two, but that can wait. Gonna order the rest of my clubs 1° flatter. Thank you sooo much!! Whe. I flatten the club say 1°, how will that affect the bounce and loft??
Does the shoulder turn down on a Driver swing!
Great Video. It is important to tell people about the feel of the transition in the downswing though. I have always had a one plane swing and played great for years then lost it. Until recently i watched Jim Hardys video that explained the feel of the chest and abdominals moving as hard left as possible in the downswing. A video on that may help those who dont have access to the tapes understand the more body dominant one plane swing
Feel is always subjective that's why I try to make a point in some of my videos that you should practice these moves in front of a mirror. You'll achieve a better awareness of feel that way instead of guessing.
Jim might feel his downswing start with the chest and abs. I might feel my downswing start with the right arm. You might feel your leg start the downswing. What matters is having the feel that produces the right look and good results. :D
@@SagutoGolf Great video! Live in Florida but just moved from Garden City/Murrells Inlet. Makes me a little homesick. Been binge watching your vids. Gonna take it to the range tomorrow. Thanks.
Very informative. This episode should be Labled "One plane swing 101."
Oh that part about keeping your arms further away from the body really clears up a lot as to why i find this method tough. With my driver i try and go further and further away from the ball and that gives a nice draw on it and my playing partner said do the same with your irons (he is a level handicap). I did not understand as i thought with irons you have to come at a downward angle but you can still do that watching Tom. I will go to the range tomorrow and stay further away from the ball and hopefully that gives the same result as the driver.
I hope it works well for you. As I regularly tell folks, let your ball striking and shot shape be your guide!
TS
@@SagutoGolf I must admit being further away allows me to not be so cramped up on the back swing and makes it slightly easier to take the club around the body and also easier to stay balanced and use the hips to fling the club towards the ball. Just need to keep practicing.
Thanks!
what's your take on Moe Norman single plan swing?
Thanks so much, @Shannon McCleery - I sincerely appreciate your support and I'm very glad to know that you are enjoying my content!
With regard to Moe Norman, while the Stack and Tilt system I teach shares a one plane feature, it is definitely different from the "single plane" version patterned after Mr. Norman's swing and for this reason I do not recommend crisscrossing between the two methods as it could lend itself to confusion. This should not be construed as a knock against Mr. Norman's renowned ball striking prowess or the style of instruction that he inspired; it's simply that some components of that swing method are not compatible with S&T. So although some golfers have had success developing a "hybrid" between the two styles, my best suggestion to those who are “comparison shopping” is to choose one or the other, but preferably not both.
Tom
Great vid. How tall are you? I’m trying working on getting onto 1 plane and feel comfortable with the club further out in front. May need to adjust my lie and club length...I’m 6ft2in
6 ft 2 with long hair
6ft with short hair.
One plane will work well for all heights - just check your lie angles on your clubs when you switch. You'll need flatter lie angles.
HI, Loving your videos.
Is the one plane swing apart of the stack and tilt system ? as i am aware you are a member now. Thanks
Thank you Marcus! Think of it this way - Stack and Tilt is a one-plane backswing but not all one plane swings are Stack and Tilt
What are the hands doing on the way down to contact?
Saguto can you do a video of the Moe Norman swing?
never would have thought swing paths are either one or two planed. am currently positioning the club shaft between the shoulder blades resting and what i believe releasing along the shoulder plane. it mostly appears more of trying to hit a fastball than a t-ball on a tiny tee. go figure.
a friend of mine keeps on telling me to drop the club for lagging and now I can retort him, thanks!
Love your channel .. Has helped me a lot in my golf game. A question ... At address, do you extend your arms in the same way as Moe Norman does?
I'm glad to know that you are enjoying and benefiting from my channel's content, Kamal!
In answer to your question - no, in this swing method (Stack and Tilt) we allow our arms to hand down naturally from the shoulders.
Cheers!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf ... Another question. Is it OK if I were to pre-set my hips in an impact position at set up? Or just push my hips slightly more to the left at set up?
You should do a video of yourself playing a round of golf with commentary and pro tracers. That'd be fun to watch!
Love u man.
Noticed that your feet are splayed open. Hogan did not approve of that method where he insists that the right foot should be perpendicular to the target and left toe toward the target. I am an older golfer in my early 70's and flexibility is becoming more and more a problem. When I open both of my feet I have noticed a little more flexibility on the backswing and the follow through. Just didn't think that was orthodox since Hogan was a stickler about it. Now that I have seen you do it I am feeling a little more confident about it. I like your dipping your left shoulder down to the ball on the backswing - me it was a more of a flat shoulder turn and consequently the two plane swing. Keep up your excellent videos, thanks James T.
That is a key setup component for this swing, James. We need to allow our body to work with us and not against us, and you are now feeling this by opening your feet a bit!
Here are a couple of suggestions:
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Thanks, and best of luck to you!
Tom
Sir. You have a nice swing 👌
Hi Tom,
I like your nice personal story of getting more "on plane" throughout the swing...the 2-plane concepts were really taught to everyone due to the 1930's 40's and 50's Byron Nelson model (Father of the Modern Golf Swing) or the doofus PGA schools and their disciples. (and Nicklaus was Mr. 2-plane himself)
Many hated the genius of Ben Hogan, who basically did it better and more efficiently with an under the plane of glass swing, which was beautiful and won more tourneys in the shortest time of any golfer that will ever live (when he made that motion produce a fade and NEVER go left). I think they just hated the Wee Ice Mon and his self taught swing and Cold demeanor. He was tough to get any info from or get close to, God bless him.
You are a cool guy, hope I learn to go around and around better watching your cool vids.
Tom, I like Mike Austins swing thoughts as well. Any thoughts? Cheers.
How do you start the down swing
I've got Big problems Tom lol,
Been attempting to implement all the ideas of one plane in my practice but the equipment tip has totally thrown me off. I got fitted a few months back and due to being 6"5 tall I had an extra inch on my irons with 2 degrees upright.
Is it worth me going to one plane if my equipment is set this way?
I can't afford to replace the irons so any suggestions welcome. Kind Regards.
Most likely, you can have the lie angles changed on the clubs you bought. Ask a clubfitter to due a dynamic lie angle test, which is taping the bottom of each club and then making your NEW one plane swings while hitting a piece of hard plastic or a board. This will leave a mark on the taped portion and give the clubmaker the correct information he needs to correctly adjust the lie angle of each club. If you think the length is too long, the fitter can also trim the length of the shaft.
Do you still encourage starting with 10% weight on the lead leg? Thanks for the info video
Hmm.... I don't think I said anything about 10% weight on the lead leg, John...🤔
The Stack and Tilt method I teach prescribes that you start with your weight forward (55/45 on the front side; 60/40 for the longer clubs), increase that same weight forward to the top of the backswing (70/30), and further increase the forward weight during the downswing from halfway down (80/20) through impact (90/10) and to the finish at 95/5 forward.
Thanks,
Tom
@@SagutoGolf that's what I meant 10% different, from 45% to 55%, sorry forgot the difference word
Tom would you say the one plane and S&T are a very similar swing concept?
He's still doing a two plane swing throughout the video... Moe Norman a true 50 degree address to 50 degree backswing hit it perfect every time mix the two for perfection, left side weight and one plane swing you can throw everything you got at it with perfection power!!
Thanks Tom. I got confused whether to lift or turn more around my body . I find the one plane swing is much easier to be consistent. I was worried my swing would look too flat as I’m quite tall. Can you still compress the ball coming from a flatter angle
It depends what you mean by "flatter angle". This is a one-plane motion back and through without any independent lifting of the hands and club. Through proper execution of the tilting, turning, and extension components - and without any active manipulations such as rolling or snatching the club inside - the shaft should work up the correct plane, with the hands deep behind the trail shoulder at the top and lead arm matching or very close to the inclined shoulder plane. From there you can absolutely compress the heck out of the ball. If, on the other hand, your lead arm is well below that shoulder line - or if the lead shoulder did not work appropriately downward or leveled out at some point during the backswing - then that would meet the definition of too "flat".
TS
I have a habit of rolling the club inside sometimes, I think that what makes it look flat or under plane.
what are the good teaching tools for the swing on a plane?
Be courteous to your fellow passengers, look out for the flight attendants and beverage cart, and stay clear of the lavatories and emergency exits. Beyond that, swing away....😎
Seriously, there is plenty of content in my channel’s playlist of backswing-related lessons, but really the best place to learn this swing properly in a structured, sequential way is my online school, where so many folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives.
Cheers!
Tom
Like you I have tried everything. Lol. I am 72 years old and I am currently transitioning to the one plane swing. I think this video is going to help me a lot. Have you ever heard of the square to square method? I think it’s pretty similar to a one plain swing. My problem is I’m not letting my right leg, trail leg, straighten in the backswing. I’m going to go to the driving range today and try this again. I’ve been trying this method for about two months and when I hit the ball good it really goes. But when I hit the ball bad it’s really bad. My problem is, I think, I’m not finishing my swing on the downswing. Any comments would be certainly appreciated. Thanks Tom
Richard,
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I hope you will give it some consideration!
Tom
Think to keep yours feet on the ground just rolling towards the target. NOT LIFTING or pivoting. At the down swing you push side way your left foot tooling towards the target WITHOUT LIFTING THE LEFT ONE (no feet move until,the ball is gone) and quiet hand, pendulum no manipulation. Wide stance and far from the ball. Moe Norman was the master look on youtube
Thanks from a golfette!
Moe Norman did not turn his lead shoulder down. In The set up he had a sideways tilt away from The target. How do you explain this?
Look at Moe's top of backswing position as well as reference this video - ua-cam.com/video/9YPgs_wu9OY/v-deo.html
Sir, please do not mind I'm asking. Since you are such a qualified golf instructor having your own academy facilities, do you have plan to produce a golf education DVD which compiles all your valuable E-Tips so far launched on UA-cam. It can be re-edited as a comprehensive golf training e-book explaining the concepts and theories of the golf swing fundamentals, advance skills of short games, and long games. Special guide to make shot approach on the course applies to various ball lies, playing techniques under different weather conditions etc.. It could even blend some of your own admirable philosophy to share as how you see things in the life of golf as a sport, hobby and social relationhip. Supplement sections to discuss the latest golf ruling, and golf equipments suitalbe for 12-16 Handicappers would be awesome. I definately want to buy one on line. Enjoy your golf lectures. Already subscribed.
I am working on it. I have a golf program created and I am moving it to a new website. I will be alerting my subscribers in a future video when it is ready.
One plane swing has improved my swing and less stress on my spine.
Well done, Joe, and thanks for sharing your body-friendly improvement!!
Keep up the great work!!
Tom
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Why would the lie angle matter? Is the impact position different for 1 plane and 2 plane?
It ought to be the same in a perfect world, but there are far too many steep paths in the 2-plane realm that are dealt with through the application of a lie angle band-aid.
Do you still stack and tilt in the one plane swing
Stack and tilt is a one plane swing