Owen Jones goes to Labour conference | Make or break for Corbynism
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- Опубліковано 24 вер 2019
- I spent three days at a dramatic and slightly chaotic Labour conference where Brexit and Labour infighting dominated the first few days and the supreme court's decision that Boris Johnson unlawfully prorogued parliament dominated the last. But amidst the maelstrom where are the signs of hope in the movement? What policies are people proud of? And how do MPs really feel about fighting a general election?
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How did Miliband manage to get so unbelievably uncharismatic during his campaign, when in every clip from before and after he seems like a nice and competent guy?
Was Ed Miliband actually "unbelievably uncharacteristic" or was portrayed as such?
@@Whatsjonosaying Charismatic. And, no, you cannot portrait people as such, as this is based on their own action and reaction. So even when picking the worst moments, the real person will comes through.
There is just something difficult about appealing to the majority, which seems to suck the originality out of people.
Bring back DAVID Milliband.
I always liked him
PR Gurus not being kept in check
A brief explanation for why Labour lost the 2019 election.
Paul Mason's "long breath" analogy is exactly why his Second Referendum argument is so flawed in my view, and won't work on the electorate.
"Leave won, but..."
I'm not commenting on the merits of either side here, rather just pointing out that the ultra-Remain side are being incredibly myopic and short-sighted, and I'm extremely relieved that Conference voted to stay neutral.
Conchúr Ó hÓgáin Personally I diddnt vote in the referendum simply because I diddnt know exactly what we were voting for. Neither did anybody which is what the problem was. should we leave the European Union yes or no?
The question is far to vague to begin with. If we leave what are we leaving to go into? what deal are we leaving with are we leaving with any deal if not what does this mean for our economy? What laws and policies that we have now change if we leave what new ones emerge. None of these questions were answered and still haven’t been answered because our government simply doesent even know.
It’s like asking a lactose intolerant person the question do you want to eat this cake?
There’s no way for that lactose intolerant person to answer that question properly without knowing the ingredients of the cake. They could take a complete risk and say yes hoping that the ingredients in the cake are ok for them to eat, but open themselves up to complete disaster if their wrong. Or they can play it safe and say no and keep going about their day as usual. They simply haven’t been given enough information for them to make an informed choice, the brexit referendum was no different
It’s “de-politicizing” Brexit, which is what it should have always been
Absolutely shameful. A party with a proud history of representing the working class is being absolutely decimated from within.
Liam 1232 leave them to it I say. Labour will become a fringe party
Benny Wise it really is a shame, isn’t it?
"They abandoned the working class years ago". Surely it was the Tory attacks on unions and the eventual shift from a manufacturing economy to a finance economy under Thatcher that did it for the cohesive working class communities of yore. If you were going to attack Labour it should rightly be the Labour of Tony Blair's tenure which many think acquiesced to much to the Thatcherite model (but don't throw the baby out with the bath water Blair did achieve some positive things). Now under Corbyn you have a Labour party that plans to strengthen the Unions improve workplace regulation in favour of the employees rather than the employers and bring back manufacturing jobs. If you wanted to vote for a party who was going to at least attempt to improve the lot of the working class Labour would be the obvious candidate.
Labour represent workers better now than they have in decades. There are new proposals to require workers representation on boards. 10% of ownership of companies will be distributed to their workforces. Trade unions and collective bargaining are being strengthened. Zero-hours contracts will be abolished. We're moving to a four-day week. Universal credit will be scrapped and replaced. Public services will see much greater reinvestment. There'll be a regional investment bank set up to rebalance the economy away from the South-East. The party represents serious working class politics - the only UK political party to do so.
I Voted leave because the EU is an undemocratic technocracy that is unduly influenced by corporate lobbyists and is unashamedly allied with a neoliberal economic agenda. From the UK side, the I want politicians who can be held responsible for their policy agendas and we can vote out if we think they aren't ruling in our best interest - not because I "felt left out/behind"
Stop treating people like they're stupid! (and get rid of the unapologetic Bliarites)
Just a shame, that if we leave without a deal we get the same but allied with the US.
@@PhilipHunt Any deal with the US would be infinitely worse than remaing in the EU. Indeed, I would argue that the only good reason for staying in the EU would be to protect us from US corporatism.
Philip Hunt yes but at least we will have chosen that, or china, or India, not dragged in by the hypocrite Major without a vote.
@@martynanstis1620 "choose" in this instance is as vague as the idea as brexit & sovereignty. Which is exactly the way propagandists like it. Let everyone see in it what they will, all things to all people, but in the end; words, air. After 9 years of austerity the last thing the UK needs is a radical economic shock, which is what deal or no deal brexit will be. But if that will quench the minority's desire for nationalism & control so be it. Even a no deal will not end the debate & discussions needed with the EU but only extend them with the UK in more desperate & weaker terms with the whole world, never mind the EU. Still we will have regained, er, what was it?
The EU isn’t exactly left wing. It’s a big corrupt organisation
I don’t think labour shiuld be a remain party. Not only would it be wrong, but it’d also alienate a lot of voters and make labour lose
Nice hair 😘
@@davidjames3125 nice emoji
People are really oversimplifying the issues with Labour taking either position. They're going to put off voters whether they stay fairly neutral or go pro-/anti-Brexit. Neutral makes sense given that they have a mix of opinions within the party, taking one side seems artificial.
Honestly, why is not trying to renegotiate, then offering a vote on the final deal whilst not forcing MPs to be pro-/anti-Brexit, not a reasonable compromise for both sides?
@@jamma246 yeah best keep both sides happy by staying neutral therefore not upsetting anybody and most importantly not standing for anything - Labour really are finished as a party - the sooner we can have a general election so they can lose again the better !
@@revol148 _"yeah best keep both sides happy by staying neutral therefore not upsetting anybody and most importantly not standing for anything"_
But the party _doesn't_ stand unequivocally for either position, saying it does is lying. The same is true of the Conservative Party (many of whose MPs have now defected). Political parties shouldn't need to pretend that they unaminously support one position; Brexit is an issue that in some sense transcends party politics.
Extremists on both sides need to gain some perspective. There's nothing fundamentally wrong with letting MPs express their individual opinions. Indeed, in the 1975 EU referendum Labour didn't have an official for or against position.
Hope the Conservatives still hold their conference just so Owen has the chance to ruffle some feathers there!
Owen Jones would have trouble ruffling the feathers of a Norwegian Blue. The dead parrot would out smart him.
Put him up against Emily Thornberry or Dianne Abbott and he might stand half a chance.
And why would you want to do that? Would you approve of right wingers doing that at your conference?
@@mogznwaz I'm not a Labour member mate - it's not 'my' conference. I just like banter.
The self indulgence of the woman who said they were "taking the labour party back to its original principles" is absolutely staggering. The epitome of the left of the labour party - all about feeling "pure" rather than helping real people in the real world.
This is not make or break for anything. A wise man once said there is no final defeat, and there is no final victory. Just the same battles to be fought over and over again.
You cannot destroy an idea. “Corbynism” existed long before JC, and will continue long after he’s gone.
¡Hasta la Victoria, Siempre! ☭
pgI0897 "Just the same battles to be fought over and over again." Exactly.
Support every wrong cause you mean!
Champagne socialist
I guess it’s break then!
Fundamentally there's a problem with the system. This two-point-five first past the post needs to be get to proportional.
STV ftw! (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_transferable_vote )
Zig Bingham so London and Manchester can pick the government . And the brexit Party gets 80 seats be careful what you wish for
@@williammarshalknight1846 I agree. It would be more democratic overall.
Irregardless of how people feel towards the smaller parties getting seats it would result in a broader political spectrum in the commons.
Furthermore it would serve as a warning when the far-right/far-left gain a sizable number of seats that majority parties galvanize themselves or be at risk being usurped. In addition I think it would appease disenfranchisement with the political system and would subdue feelings of alienation with the political process.
Better to have the commons as an indicator of a nation's pulse than to have civil unrest, rioting, mass protest etcetera.
Daniel Marino-Austin we would just get Coalition after coalition . This country is political left but socially small c Conservative . That’s what the Labour Party have forgot.
slight problem with that is that the Brexit party would get an insane number of seats, back when farage was part of Ukip he got 1 million votes yet only one seat. if it was more proportional Ukip would outnumber the Lib Dems.
Ed Milliband is very charming when he's not centre stage.
Has your editor heard of grading? It is where you take flat footage and make the colours look better.
Looks like someone has chosen the incorrect LUTs.
Against the law? Unlawful isn't illegal
..............
There was no law that Boris broke. The Supreme Court effectively created one and then applied it retrospectively. There was NO precedent for their decision and they should have defaulted to making no judgement on the prorogation like the English courts did. I am in no doubt that Tony Blair's frankenstein creation did its work, it installed itself as the government making political decisions. There are some great articles about this online to show why this development has basically destroyed our democracy.
...and that was a party political broadcast on behalf of The Conservative Party..
So true
Is that Father Jack in the background at 8.50? Do forgive me.
Serious and timely stuff!
On Brexit I don't like demanding party unity at the cost of honesty. People are divided. Fact. We're interdependent, fact.
People really need to stop conflating social democracy and socialism
Just watched your excellent Tory Conference video. My goodness, what a contrast between the humans at Labour Conference and the deluded automations at the Tory bunker.
And you don't think leftie Owen Jones would selectively edit? Also even if that were true does it make them less than human in your eyes?
Tony Benn is turning in his grave........
This has aged well lol
Most of the people here are Middle class; where are the Working Class people that Labour is supposed to represent?
jack the gamer they’re all backing Boris or the Brexit party.
Yeah The Guardian ran a story today about how we should all work from home. It just goes to show how disconnected from 'The Many' that this incarnation of Labour are
@will bower we'll be back to the three day week if they get into office. A four day week would be realistic in some industries with shift works; if it involved longer hours. Many factories offer that, with the possibility of overtime if the demand requires it, but it simply can't work in the service sector, offices, retail, public services, etc.
Corbyn's Labour simply have no idea how a real economy works.
Labour isn’t for the working class, it’s for these so called middle class hipsters and far left PC types. Labour hasn’t stood for the working class since 1997
1:29 Chris Evans, is that you?
They just don't listen!
Question Owen : According to Bernie Sanders, Big Pharma in the US sell insulin to US citizens at upto $540 per vial, despite it only costing around $5 to make. Would you consider it 'ethical' if Jeremy Corbyn's newly proposed publicly owned drugs manufacturer made insulin and sold a small proportion of it to Americans for, say, $50 per vial? IF that money was then reinvested in the service and the wider NHS.
If Loyd Russell-Moyle isn't confident of defending a 9,000 majority, which he didn't seem to be, we're in a lot of trouble.
Yes you are
Ivette copper is gonna get slung out.
This party won't even be a opposition after the election.
5:23 so true, and I think this will be why labour dont win a general election im afraid
That "Labour can stop Brexit" sign, unbelievable. Political suicide.
Love your coverage, Owen!
This video didn't age well.
I think it aged very well.
Labour are finished,you shat on the people one time too many and their utter contempt for the working class couldn't be clearer
correct
Game, set and match.
Here you have a group of clueless Marxists patting themselves on the back (and also back stabbing, contradicting one another). Utterly clueless and shouldn’t be anywhere near power
Conference was great!
jsbart96 nice place Brighton wouldn’t you say?
We love your work Owen...keep it up and ignore the weak haters.
8:40 never cringed so much in my life
What a terrific advert :)
9.24...the right at war with democratic rights😂😂. Labour turned down 3 withdrawal agreements, 2 calls for general elections and refuse to accept the referendum results then claim to be the party of the people LOL
Spot on. It's why I will never vote Labour again and why the LibDems should be done by the Trade Descriptions Act.
Without projecting opinions, viewed from Oz it was a nice lively verbal and visual watch.
There is something engagingly old fashioned about aspects of UK Labour and a little bit of humour comes through.
There's definitely humour. I'm watching it a year later and I find it hilarious.
This aged well.
can't wait for a general election!
Ancient Numismatics what so labour crash and burn?
@@davidjames3125 i think both labour and the tories will both crash and burn. who knows? could be one of the most exciting elections for years. hung parliament seems likely
Ancient Numismatics yeah the tories have blown it, if they deliver a no deal brexit they could claw it back, if the remoaners slow down democracy anymore then Farage will lead the way. I don’t believe it will be a hung parliament, Cameron was counting on that when he said that if Tory win an all out victory then we will have a referendum.
@@davidjames3125 whatever happens it will be exciting. boris is a crap leader but would corbyn be any better? with little command over labour and his policy of "constructive ambiguity"
Prepare to be disappointed
My home town Brighton
Did any die during the week because of cuts?
(Homelessness in Brighton is high, so maybe. Certainly they will as it gets colder. Across the country homelessness increased by 22% in 2018, the biggest year-on-year rise ever recorded - there were 726 recorded deaths.)
Was Pandora Braithwaite there.
Ha! Nice one
I joined Labour to support Corbyn after 50 years of supporting and voting Labour. I resigned my membership because of his dishonesty on Brexit, his complete fantasy renegotiation of the Withdrawal Agreement and the betrayal of Labour values it represents. Corbyn offered a new politics, a party that would be more socialist and genuinely democratic. This conference showed all the same old deceit and trickery to stop democracy breaking out and bringing about any movement on the party's Brexit position. As a member I never voted for Len McCluskey so why the hell does he decide Labour policy? Corbyn's aim is to have Brexit no matter what as it has been for almost all of his career. Brexit of any form will make the poorest and most vulnerable in society much worse off. I believed that Labour was about helping these groups not making their lives worse. I was wrong. Corbyn has destroyed his own credibility and may have terminally damaged the prospect of the next general election returning a Labour Government. After over 50 years I cannot even see me voting Labour at the next election.
Well, voting for anyone else will definitely deliver what you fear.
For all of the excellent policies (which you joined Labour to support)... and you're leaving in outrage on the singular issue of Brexit, an issue which is essentially unsolvable because Labour is a broad church with different opinions? That seems to be throwing the baby out with the bath water to me.
I think Corbyn could be clearer on the issue but I don't think he has been dishonest. He has always been a critic of the EU, and still is, but it seems his position is based on a comprimise (the fact that a lot of the Labour base is pro-EU).
_"Brexit of any form will make the poorest and most vulnerable in society much worse off."_
I voted remain, but honestly I don't think we can know any of this for sure. In the end, it's this part of society that overwhelmingly voted to leave.
Every single economic expert, even those within the government has said that Brexit will impact the poorest and most vulnerable exactly as I said. We can be sure of the damage because even Boris Johnson said that at present we are losing hundreds of million pounds per month and we have not even left yet.The issue of Brexit policy was solvable by putting it to the membership which Corbyn deliberately prevented. Corbyn has made no realistic compromise he has just batted the issue into the long grass as much as he can . It is the dishonesty and manipulation (see the recent Party Conference over the Remain card vote issue) which have caused me to leave. This is just the same old Labour establishment screwing the members as before this time with a bit more hypocrisy.@@jamma246
Even if Corbyn goes, the overwhelming membership stance should hopefully preserve it
Rebecca Long Bailey will most likely be elected as his continuity candidate
@@End-Result Her or Rayner hopefully.
But the UK public don't support the Corbyn type policies. And therefore a continuity candidate's only hope is that they are personally so much more popular it overcomes the policies.
Corbyn was less popular than May even in her dying days after continual cluster f**ks. He's less popular than Boris, who is a buffoon. Labour with these policies didn't win in 2017. And the leader stayed on with no personal self-awareness or embarrassment. And are still behind in the polls, and bookies, now.
Is the party's job to win an election so can implement policies. Or a student union talking shop purely interested in the intellectual masturbation of its membership?
hopefully NOT!
@@danielwebb8402 Source? 😂 Brits aren't that thick.
JC shall not be moved, no matter the outcome and he can do it by beating the odds
1:41 That face
You are so funny! What does soy smell like? I thought it was just a type of bean
How isn’t Keir Starmer the PM?
Break it is then
The days of hope.
No Red Flag will fly over me YOU TOSSER
Please invest in some colour grading. Please.
I thought the people already voted to leave, what is this nonsense about another vote?
It would be nice Owen, if in journalism that events are not always referred to in terms of black and white, make or break. It seems we constantly miss all the people in between, all the opinions that don't fit into the extremes. These voices are lost.
Such as?
Amen.
Owen is not a journalist.
I'm very glad we didn't back remain. We would lose if we did and our party program is more achievable outside of the EU.
Should have backed one or the other though. Can't sit on the fence in the Brexit election.
oh dear
Not much work going on there
Boris still hasn’t been held to account
Nice to see Brighton extending the care in the community and hosting all the demented nutters.Little Owen out in Brighton,his favourite cruising ground,no shortage there ,eh Owen?
Still the best video on YT "Owen Jones greeted by fans in London" Take a look and try not to laugh too much.
Ed Miliband is so irrelevant it’s almost painful
Sorry..Ed who ?
Ed is a legend
I liked him, seemed decent and rational
9:45 Lavery absolutely got it.
Watching after we have kier
Yes it's make or break. But it's not make.
lol
Totally delusional WTO ALL THE WAY YOU WATCH
A vote for the Conservatives is a vote for destitution. We need Labour to win this election. The whole of this generation has suffered enough with unaffordable housing, crumbling NHS, unaffordable education, poverty, persecution of the disabled, ruled by a privileged few Eaton fools who only want to protect their interests and welcome the return of racism and division of all other classes/peoples . All the things I benefitted from as a child have been taken away from this generation . The ladder has gone up there is no more bridging the gap. We have to unite and Vote Labour for real change. Do not let the Conservative party continue to make the UK a place where only the wealthy survive and the rest of us cannot afford to live and have no quality of life. So many people have died from their cruel policies resulting in lack of social and medical care brought about by cruel punitive austerity measures and the unregulated privatisation of our national assets that have hollowed out our services because Eaton cronies gambled money away on the unregulated financial money markets.
If you think Labour would be any better for the nation then I think you're in for an unpleasant surprise. For the record, just to dismiss the obvious retort of partisanship, i'm not conservative and have never voted conservative.
Under corbyn not a bloody chance... How can vote for a IRA loving person!
Matthew Steedman
Stop looking at the Sun, it’ll blind you.
Haha experience I guess
It all looks so niaive...
This didn't age well
Aha, the rent boys turned up, now form a disorderly queue lads.
I'm glad that Jeremy has pledged to scrap Universal Credit. It needs to be replaced. Although the waiting time has been reduced by about one week when you first claim UC, people are still being made homeless because landlords are not prepared to wait for their rent money. Not everyone has savings they can fall back on. I work part-time for a charity and meet people every week that have to apply for an advance (which they then have to pay back!). I live in an employment blackspot and we have far too many rough sleepers! Disabled people who apply for UC are treated very badly too.
Universal credit is a lot better than it used to be. They have removed the 16 hour rule, and it’s working a lot better
I'm not touching labour with a barge pole as long as these clowns are in charge.
Henry Discipline that’s like saying what’s wrong with Hitler
@Henry Discipline everything.
Does his mum know he's out?
He looks about 15/16 looks good for his age lol
Update: break
These people live in a bubble.
It was break
I wish Jeremy Corbyn would come back. Who needs Keith!!
Corbyn has not made any inroads into the support of either May nor Johnson - it's time to move on.....
Tree huggers unite - the guy is ...... actually no he isn’t ...
This looks like a major break. How much more free stuff can you have or afford?
Revoltingsheeple - that’s called thievery. Make your own money and have some personal responsibility.
Delusional fools.
Make or break for Owen Jones? Nope, he already broke during the Julia Hartley-Brewer interview. When will this venomous little "man" just piss off and leave us in peace?
Privileged high earners interviewing other privileged high earners about 'elitists'.
Judging by this conference the Labour party are as mad as a box of frogs.
Who was mad?
Owen do you fancy a Corbyn and abbot sandwich 😂😂😂
Oh dear. Never mind😆
👍
I feel sick 😷
Heartening content, but what's with the peely-wally look? "The people's flag is palest red..."
Why is Corbyn doing badly in the polls compared to Johnson?
Sam Edwards let’s think... he’s a dangerous old Marxist ? He’s a friend of terrorists? He’s sitting on the fence over brexit? He turns a blind eye to anti Semitism? How’s that for starters?
oh dear...magic grandad,a multi millionaire champagne marxist spouting teenage angst politics.
Such a shame Ed Miliband didn't get elected.
This channel is a care home for the hard of thinking.
What a bell
Labour conference.....not one working class person in sight. Should have set up a VR stand so people could see what a housing estate actually looks like.
Excellent video.
Anyone else thought either option labour pick: remain, by remain, on the fence; they’re still alienating enough people to loose a general election.
I was waiting for Corbyn to say that immortal line from another party leader “Go back to your constituencies and prepare for Government”
The UK will simply not elect a hard line socialist. Neil Kinnock (twice), Michael Foot and soon to be former leader Jeremy Corbyn (twice).
The Labour Party and Liberal Democrats will split the vote and Conservatives will win. The 70s ended 40 years ago but for some.....
Judging by your post history you are swivel eyed looney
@@bobnot. - I don't particularly want the Conservative Party to win but, in recent times, when Labour campaigned with a no compromise Socialist leader and agenda they have lost. If Labour sweeps to victory I will stand corrected, but…..
@Plumbob 66 - About a Labour victory or a Conservative one?.....Or a reply from Rob bobnot? :)
Labour is absolutely disgusting.
A large proportion of leave voters just didn’t like the EU. “Left behind” “fed up with austerity” blah blah blah NO! We didn’t like the EU, why don’t people like Kier Starmer get this? Labour have no chance at the next election, no matter how bad Boris is or gets. What a shame.
Labour no longer represents the working class. Throwing away the votes of 17.4m people is a prime example of the elitism that has taken over. Very sad!
Owen if you were in charge, what would owenism look like.
"The age of man is over. The time of the dork has come"
Go to Brighton, I’ve just got back from working there. The town is overrun with kids (suppose that’s why labour hold the conference there) everything is covered in graffiti, full of homeless and druggys openly smoking crack. It’s a socialists dream.
@@davidjames3125 LOL. If you're frightened by the streets of Brighton god help you. Don't piss your bed Winston, it's not like that in Brighton, you're just telling lies again.
Aquila Tempestate 😂
Janovia Lennyison it’s an hell hole